QUITTING Yu-Gi-Oh! Moving Over To POKEMON!? feat. Alberto Conti | Heart of the Cast #11
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- In this episode Joshua Schmidt and Farfa sit down and discuss why people quit the game and where do they go from there? With special guest Alberto Conti, ex European Yu-Gi-Oh! pro and YCS Champion, he takes us through his journey and how he decided to up and leave for a different card game.
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I think the part where he talks about going back to locals and sees Adamancipater is really just a perfect example of where Yugioh is kind of at for new players and even Alberto who has a lot of experience and commendations. I couldnt imagine coming into a local to pick up a new card game, looking at a snake eye combo, and seeing prices and being like "Oh yea, thats the game i wanna play and invest in".
I'm just blinded by nostalgia and have invested too much time and money since Metal Raiders dropped to give lmao
A lot of people underestimate just how important the social aspect of a TCG is, even for seasoned players.
I'm a strong believer in this. I think it's healthier to approach YGO as a social experience. A lot of the problems I hear online that mid-level or casual ppl have with ygo I think are solvable by having some kind of like-minded group or buddy to play with. I think a lot of people want to approach ygo by just downloading a sim and queuing into randoms (which might be ok for some card games, but I don't think it's good for ygo).
On the other hand, I understand that that's also the norm for a lot of gaming these days, and also a lot of adults might feel they don't have time to invest in that. Not a TCG example, but I remember a guy with a baby who was like, "I put the kid to bed, and I got maybe 30 minutes to boot up a video game and play for a bit, and that's it."
I think what would be a really cool idea for an episode or multiple episodes for you guys would be to get a TCG vender and a OCG vender and talk about how profitable each side of YGO is.
and why pokemon has so many new players
a competive deck in pokemon cost between 30 and 120 €
for a competive yugioh deck sometimes a card goes 50€ alone
I'm so mad they didn't ask him about Master Duel when he said he was into duel links before.
FINALLY a take of farfa's I can 10000% agree with. Links were a mistake my guy. The fact that they are so easy to summon and generic makes it broken.
Links made cards that were harder to float, STUPID easy
Met Alberto at YCS Liverpool 2017, lovely gent! I quit competitive Yu-Gi-Oh for MTGO since, play Modern; much more stable meta and on MTGO you get to make money from play without the hassle of planning things such as hotels, travel etc. for IRL events. I definitely echo the concerns voiced by Alberto about Yu-Gi-Oh, Konami having no YCSs for EU region this season is crazy to me!
How do you make money on MTGO?
Just curious :)
@@hers1581 you win treasure chests/other prizing from playing online events such as leagues ("locals on demand") and Challenges/Qualifiers (equivalent of online "mini" YCSs with top 8 cut), then sell the chests to bots/traders for MTGO tix, then sell the tix to traders like Cardhoarder or just other players/individuals on MTGO for money. You can also just sell individual cards directly to other players for money or a trader willing to buy your collection. At the highest levels of play (I have not reached this) you can qualify for the MOCS which is an invitational tournament where you get $5000 for just winning the invite (for which you have to make it to a ~400-500 player Showcase Challenge top 8 and win a Showcase Qualifier).
The Pokemon Tcg formula hasn’t changed much, it’s kept its fundamentals. If you haven’t played for 10+ years you can jump right back into it and the gameplay is pretty much the same. They use stat inflation v. needing to power creep (we don’t talk about Mew V)
True to this, I played Briefly in 2016 and went back casually to it last year, even if the game had new cards or mechanics, it was very easy to get back to it and understand most things. If I had done that with yugioh, imagine going from late ArcV era to fucking Tearlaments, I may as well just implode.
Then quitting Pokemon to go back to Yugioh during Path to the Peak meta.
Path to the peak was healthy and I miss it already
@@raandomuser710 god no. that card was cancer and this is coming from a giratina player
@@yuseifido5706 it felt healthy in a format with 12+ decks. It punished players who wasted resources/didn’t deck build around it
@@raandomuser710 that's not what it did. what it did was randomly create non-games by locking someone out of being able to play. you can deck build around it all you want, but if you don't draw your stadium bumps, you just lose to getting unlucky. that's what most floodgates do. they remove skill from the game by making you randomly lose. also with 12+ decks in the format, it is much harder to build around being able to beat a single card. you can't tech for everything in a format that diverse so cards like path being so powerful is not a good thing
@@yuseifido5706 I’ll agree to disagree. Every single deck had the out(some decks 3-4) and if you ultra balled your vac’s away or used ur FSS early against tina and got roxxane path’d that’s just on u bud
Nowadays YGO is great, with a lot of interaction between the players:
1. There is no Hand Trap that can make you pass with nothing in board;
2. There is No TURN ONE COMBO DECK, that set up tons of negations that even can negate super poly or DRNM;
3. There are NO any FTK Decks ;
4. the turn doesn't end in 2 turns;
5. there are not any toxic cards that prevent you from doing anything or limiting your move;
6. every match both players get the chance to play cards in their hand;
7. everyone has the chance to get access to the newest deck and staples;
8. We do not need to draw the out for certain circumstances;
9. The game is very enjoyable, with nothing to frustrate for the second turn player while waiting for the Turn One player to finish their set up;
10. In YGO the mindset is all about Set Up VS Counter Set Up, Not the Turn One Player make A board to Prevent the Second Turn Player for having Fun; and
11. There are no decks that can summon many general boss monsters with at least 6 negations in turn one (Baronne, Savage Dragon, and 4 materials Apo);
Everyone Should Cue in with YGO
Dont forget tier 0 decks that costs the price of a small car
Yeah, everyone should Play YGO, there are nothing to be frustrated for:
1.the already owned older cards will never be unusable because of the newer printed cards.
2. the game is budget friendly for Rogue deck/budget players, so they don't need to invest so much money in it.
3. everyone who is a casual player in your local, will not abuse /overuse newer & stronger cards to bully Budget Players with their tier zero deck, in order to prevent Budget Players for enjoying the game.
4. everyone who is casual player will not be so competitive to budget players as if they considered themself as a competitive player
5. the community is not toxic at all, and no one will cheat or stacking in YGO.
It was very interesting to listen to an old Yugioh player and hearing how Pokémon is, very compelling
No episode last week? Or waiting for banlist to drop? Either way love the content for my commutes - keep up the good work boys.
Was wondering the same.
I got pushed out of yugioh because of the pricing for staples and such back in 2020. I still played a card game but found that after 4 years of that card game existing it still didn't grow into the community that yugioh has. The sheer lack of content for it was depressing and lack of in person high tier events along with ability to be creative in the deck building process was everything I was craving. Now I am coming back to yugioh and am so excited about stuff like rarity collection, all the content I can find and engage with, and the events I can attend. I hope when I do show up at a new locals it goes well.
Only caveat is that many locals are dropping out of yugioh. Mostly due to lack of quality control on products. They can't depend on one or two good sets per year and still expect people to show up. They are being phased out and it's coming down to regionals or YCS as the next base line experience for physical play, which is good if you are a competitive player, but it chokes the casual scene.
Everyone should watch his YCS final, dude won because of anti spell/maxx c….nothing really changes.
Tried to get into Pokémon last year or two.
It caught me so off guard that I couldn’t find their MBT or whomever who vomits out in depth deck profiles.
Made being a new player real confusing as it’s hard to find what you really like or learn what other decks do.
Screw Lost Box BTW!
I picked up Munchkin. It's chaotically fun and engaging, and there's a different theme for whatever you are into. I just got the South Park one recently. Something I noticed is that there's more emphasis on what you CAN do, whereas yugioh seems to be more about what you CANNOT do. It's in the language of the cards. It's a small detail, but it made me realize why yugioh games feel generally off-putting and why so many complain about not being able to play.
Me personally I quit yugioh for pokemkm so seeing this episode was so cool! Conti theeee Tina goat hahah cool crossover
I quit Yugioh because my daughter likes Pokémon so she got me Into the game and I’m having more fun with it we have all the decks built super cheap I don’t have to play test like it was a job like in Yugioh. Even tho people that don’t play say it’s solitaire it can be but if you played wrong a turn or 2 back you can lose the game I have had some crazy come backs just playing correctly
A lot my friends stopped playing when links got released, not sure if it was the mechanic itself or the fact that it used to restrict other extra deck summoning
Thats so funny that this vid came up because i've just been getting more and more frustrated with YGO, so im moving over to pokemon for a bit.
title typo
Alberto was a hilarious! I the guest episodes are always more fun to watch.
I love
Pokemon (ptcg). Its the best side tcg with ygo being my main. I personally feel anyone who's into ygo and sorta like pokemon, to try ptcg. Trust me, youll be cracked at ptcg and own every meta deck, lol. 120 usd tops for tier 1 really
Any online client? Sounds interesting
The biggest gripe I hear why yugioh players don’t like Pokémon is the lack of interaction between both turns. It’s basically solitaire+chess which is different from YGO
One thing I dislike about PTCG is the lack of a good online way to play it. Not everyone wants to only play the same deck but also can't drop money on a growing physical collection and Master Duel, despite its problems, really fills that void and if PTCG had an equivalent I'd totally be down to try it.
@raandomuser710 this is very true, which is why I consider it a side tcg where you don't have to invest a lot. You can learn the format, come back 2 months and comfortably pick it up with little bandwidth needed. Just uber relaxing.
Most tcgs don't have as much interaction in-between turns like ygo tho
@@colossaldonut5190 @sammydray5919 Pokemon has an online client and you can get basically a full collection for free, every meta deck for free without grind really.
If you drop 10$ you can get 500 boosters from people who open physical and sell code cards for cents.
My complaint is the dying player count. My locals have dried up and have to travel to regionals if I want to play tcg.
Konami's fault. Tcgs like Flash and Blood and many others are so well designed and welcoming that ppl migrate t them in oposition to stick being mistreated by a toxic company as konami. Also, after the fiasco of some collections and retailers parting with yugioh, locals shrank. But still konami's headstaff will keep acting as if it is everything fine.
@@JuanGonzalezZzZzZz... I am well aware. I always think why doesnt Konami market themselves like Pokemon? Yugioh used to be iconic but it lost that feel some time ago. Thats on Konami for not presenting their product better.
@@JuanGonzalezZzZzZz... konami: "tournament attendance is at an all-time high, which means we're doing a good job"
reality: game's so unpopular that people can only play if they travel to events :)
@@ehschargers6510 i don't think marketing is the problem, the game just sucks for anyone that isn't super invested into it already
look at how popular master duel was at launch and then how hard the playerbase dropped
@@rickmel09yeah but it constantly holding 20k player count according to Steam is a lot better than MTGArena numbers. Paper format in a local setting is the main issue and lack of a new anime for younger players to get in that don't care about meta or power imbalance, just price.
this episode really got me curious about pokemon tcg, my province won't have regionals for like 6 months after the 27th so i'm considering looking at other games meanwhile
57:10 i feel like azulGG (who farfa did a video with) and omnipoke are two phenomenal sources that i learned from. Making proxies for ptcg to play test is also a lot more viable than ygo because the precision needed for ptcg isnt as much as ygo (due to how much text). Play testing helped a lot to learn and then those two folks i mentioned
At my locals this is happening, they arent quitting but alot of mfs are picking up pokemon and have been enjoying themselves hella. May do the same to learn a new tcg, just till rhe fkse domination passes
I picked up Munchkin. Not a TCG, but still fun
41:01 quick correction: Halq was the best card in the crystron deck, it was what made it playable. It just was better in other decks. Now crystron is just dead.
Honestly, when cards they've banned after they clearly made them generic to sell out of giga greed should just come back errata'ed to function as they were (presumably) intended with their themes. halq locked to crystrons, dark strike meant to be summoned with dark salvo, borreload to function within dragons specifically, amazoness archer locked to sacrificing amazoness, plant lock dandylion, etc
@@telepathicdragonall they need to make halq fair is to add a simple restriction, that it can't be used as link material, that way it can only be used as intended in crystron, to synchro summon on the opponents turn.
@@Ragnarok540 have 0 problem with that. the general point i was making is that they really need to just unfuck the cards they clearly made generic for the purpose of selling for cards after they're past their prime and need to be unbanned/unrestricted. Though I will say, some of the erratas were kind of bad like with how they destroyed Chaos Emperor Dragon and Crush Card Virus. Ring of Destruction funny enough even with the beating it got is still fully playable tbh.
“You gotta knock before you come into my room, man “ 😂😂😂
Completely agree about the decklist content part. I found that same issue in both Pokémon and Magic. MTG especially I found it surprising how hard it was to find deck profile videos. And when you do find one they tend to be a little poorly formatted. No offense to the creators
I would really like it, if there was subtle background music throughout the podcast, similar to something like trash taste's bgm
Bet you'd like a little video in the upper corner with some mobile game gameplay as well. *jingle jingle*
I quit now for MTG. Konami not making worlds public was the last straw for me
I can understand quitting because you don't like the game anymore, but if your problem is with Konami, why would you quit for a game managed by WotC? They somehow make Konami not seem that bad.
@@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. cause they actually care about the longevity of there game. Konami ignores us and keeps us out of worlds.
Wotc makes MTG arena a great app to play the game with many formats for variety and has it up to date with the current card pool. While Konami keeps ours out of date and can’t add more than 1 format.
@@firerhino8592 I don't mean to poo poo your decision but take it from people who have seen better days in Magic: WotC and Hasbro are cutting bacon off the hog while it's still squealing. Nothing they've done in the past five years has been sustainable. Literally nothing. They took one of the best games in history and used it as a money printer to prop up failing segments of Hasbro. They've left formats and clients to rot. Arena is the worst client in the TCG sector and it's not even close but they roll with it because it still makes them money. Around 5 years ago they realized they could run Magic like Konami runs Yugioh. It's not a viable alternative.
@@geek593 MTG has like dozens of formats so of course some are gonna get cut that’s obvious. Konami has like 3 and have already cut cross duel, draft, and speed duels. So between the two wotc makes more sense
@@geek593 But they ahve not destroyed the fundementals of the game. Magic still has a soul and foundation unlike YUGIOH which sells itself to keep the cash flow. New mechancis that destroy the game indentity Hasbro has not done that, Knoami has.
I quit Yugioh for Shadowverse. The game is just completely fucked and I regret sticking on past the point where I stopped having fun. Edison kept me on for a bit longer but it only lasts so long.
Shadowverse Evolve I assume?
@@nouvelle147 Yeah. I'm actually able to play with online locals compared to Yugioh locals which have died in my area.
@@geek593 I really want to get into Evolve, but all I've done so far has been playing a few rounds in Tabletop Simulator with friends.
I don't have a local scene for it, how do you think I could get into the game?
@@nouvelle147 Check out Burn One's online locals. They hold them weekly.
mystic mindset
56:30 thank mbt
1:02:26 random banlist is a gambling positive feedback mechanism as expected from a pachinko maker company like konami
Deck profiles and creating content in other card games are not a thing, and i belive its for rotation reasons.
Like you have a set amount of cards in the format, and there is no tech cards, and spices. You just pick a deck and change a few cards or the ratios but probably not much deck building going on.
While in yougioh, you can pick from a 12k cardpool, you can explore 20y old cards that are aperantly good in the format, you can build your main AND your side deck accordingly.
You can compare other TCGs to like goat format, where the Chaos control decks are mostly the same, the only decision you make is like do you play dekoichi over gravekeeper spy 😂
Would you guys bring a one piece tcg player next?
to be fair... i also stop playing paper ygo when my friends in my locals stop to showing up.
I quit YGO not only because of Konami's blatant refusal to curb their power creep, but their insistence on accelerating it rapidly over the past couple years.
josh having to remind farfa not to speak the forbidden words via feigning ignorance lool
I find it funny how Alberto has a habit of walking in on yugioh worst moments
To be fair, YGO shouldn't have so many worst moments.
i think the game could have aged much more gracefully if they stopped supporting mechanics in a cyclical manner instead of adding pendulums and links. People went out of their way to play very mediocre tuners at the start of the synchro era just to play the new extra deck mechanic. Imagine they stopped supporting fusions with the end of GX, and then imagine they didnt print anymore tuners or synchros at the end of GX. Then at the end of Zexal they could have gone back to fusions. newer cards support entirely too much and are way overloaded. Incredible ecclesia the virtuous is a crazy card in fusion decks on top of being a tuner, same with quem. If people had to go out of their way to make cards like baronne they would be less toxic.
A little update on my comment from last episode. Maybe its just a coincidence, but I feel like, Josh already made an improvement from last week. Specifically in two moments around 46:00 it shows, that he contains himself. Anyway, Josh and Nadir, if you're reading this, I really appreciate the effort and enjoyed this weeks episode a lot :)
For context, my comment was:
I have a little bit of constructive criticism for the upcoming episodes, because I enjoy the podcast a lot and I am always looking forward for another episode.
So, I feel like Josh cuts off Nadir a little bit to much. I would like to have more of a conversation between you two, since at the moment it seems that Nadir prepared the topic and provides the structure/ schedule of each episode and Josh talks about each point a lot. Whenever Nadir wants to add something interesting, that leads the discussion into a new direction, Josh immediately interrupts him.
It would be nice if you two could hear out each other a bit more and increase Nadirs speech share on each point you are talking about :)
Kozmo King ❤️
Wish they didn’t keep cutting him off
I have always played yugioh i jumped into pokemon in 2022 at the end of tagteam and it was fun but my dislike started when rotation hit and i simply didnt really like Vmax so it kind of fell of because you kinda have to play whats new since the old rotates out unless you play legacy format or whatever long story short yugiohs forver format is better to me since im not forced* to play something else i dont like if i dont want to regardless of power creep and pokemon was a cute breath of fresh air but ultimately not it cheif
man yugioh sucks, you can't defend it
I think Yugioh has such a disparity in enjoyment on the level of individual games, when yugioh is at its best, both players are playing, interacting and popping off, it’s amazing but it feels like a lot of games you’re just going through the motions waiting for another game like that
@@Benjamin_w02 Yeah that's the general feel with card games in general imo, just that in yugiohs case as you pointed out, it's just gotten a lot worse where the gaps btwn good games and bad games has just massively widened. Still playing MD, the only reason i don't even really climb ladder aggressively is that the games i'm going to get are just so low quality at times i might as well just use bronze/silver to deck refine random ideas i'm thinking of or clear dailies rather than waste time on coin/roach/handtrap/floodgate simulator matches over and over. The best times on MD have probably been the events (even if on the occasion that specific ones weren't that good) and at least reigned in the pace assuming they actually did proper banlists and restrictions. the 2005 format was p fun all things considered if it weren't for the fact it was only 3 days and a lot of power cards were locked to UR so a lot of people weren't able to fully appreciate what made it good.
@@Benjamin_w02 Yugioh is only fun for both players when it's a matchup between two decks that have the tools to go first or second without being too obnoxious on either the play or draw. Swordsoul vs. DIFO Branded is one of the only matchups I can say for certain I've enjoyed wholeheartedly since TOSS ended. And that format was still ruined by Mystic Mine and Scythe piles. Oops!
Shiiiiit, dropping yugioh to play bushiroad TCGs for now. Will see how Yugioh fleshes itself out end of year. I have no hopes or faith anymore tbh lol.
Pokemon sounds like an awesome game for those people that complain about the opponent playing on their turn and also for the players that prefer solitaire decks. Personally, no thanks.
Alternatively, they enjoy having a game where both players get to progress their game plans over the course of a game without being stuck in a time locked format or game without many players.
@@geek593 I want to believe you but I just can't. Tried pokemon once with a friend teaching me, man curbed stomped me a floodgate pokemon.. Trevenant I believe? The ghost tree pokemon or something like that. Killed all my wishes to try out the game lmao
Yugioh has been in a bad state and getting worse the last 8 years. Yes there had been some good the last couple of years but the cost and the constant power creep and broke summoning requirements and effectives are destroying the game make it a 1 to 2 turn game don’t forget the insane cost of money to build competitive decks!!
Play burn going second
@@damianrogowski5519 Konami doesn’t like burn decks they either banned them or Severely restrict them so it’s pointless to play
44:00 oh what's new josh bit*hing about how the rest of the game wants a more fun diverse yugioh but hurr durr its hard to win 🤡🙃🙄🙄🙄
pokemon isn't that different from yugioh IMO
10min turns, obnoxious floodgates, basically impossible to make a come-back due to how the prizes/energy work (which means games are almost entirely determined by turn 1/2) and cards that are impossible to play around (like boss' orders)
Mio padre
Modern yugioh is bunz 🗑
Pokémon is for kids Yu-Gi-Oh is for real man manly man
We *need* the OCG model. And this should be like a massive wave of change that starts by overhauling the greedy,soulless, out of touch cockroach suits in charge at konami. They killed their reputation in the gaming sphere and now theyre doing their best to kill the biggest TCG on the planet, because ALL they care about is short term nickle and dime profit at all cost (because the brand and the loyalty/visibility itself totally isn't whats valuable here). They would rather have one person spend 1000e on a cancerous deck than to have 1000 people all spend 50 cents on the game, because they only see shekels rather than this being an actual sport/GAME with an audience. Now that the original creator is dead its just going to get even worse
They've been doing it for 20 years, it's not short term profits anymore