The notes don't say bullet hitbox has been expanded. The notes say Victor's hurtbox has been expanded when using bullet moves. It's labeled as a nerf in the patchnotes because this means certain moves by the opponent (don't ask me which) won't whiff anymore when used during his bullet moves.
I've found that you can get much higher combo damage using that Iai 4, 2 now. But the trick is to bound before you do it, not after. A combo I figured out after testing for a little bit was df2 launch: df4, 2 -> Iai 2 (tornado) -> df4, 2 -> Iai 4, 2 -> db1, 1 into perfumer -> perfumer 1+2. This is 71 damage, pretty good compared to the 65 his usual staple gets. The perfumer 1+2 will also floor break. You can instead end with perfumer 3 for 70 damage, or perfumer 2 for a bit of wall carry. This can be worked into other combos as well, I believe so far the trick is to not exceed 6 hits before doing Iai 4, 2. And being able to heat burst after it means even crazier damage with a f1+2 heat dash u1+2 (84 total if done in the previous combo) db1, 1 and heat burst seem to be the only things that will connect after Iai 4, 2
Better for approach thanks to transition to iai mixup, but worse at close range. Before it was kind of similar to Claudio iWR2 where you could use it in their face if they hesitated a bit, now you'll get launched or stepped every time. Would've preferred if they made it +3 instead of +2 on block though to allow for a few more safe options on block.
Those who dont know: Good news guys, they nerfed Victor! Those who know: Damn now he get 8 branches of 50/50 while before Victor players always used to on 3 holy grail : Expulsion! Kulkas! And armored knife spam.
@lightingthief4482 Basically they're changing him from spamming 3 or 4 broken attacks and made him a stance mix up character like he should've always been
And that's why the patch should have been focused straight on nerfs. These "compensating buffs" for half the cast are gonna create a whole new set of problems that weren't there. They keep fixing stuff and then breaking some other, they don't learn.
The way I use Victor is buffed. I'll have more 50/50 utility and overall versatility. FF 2 into IAi stance to start pressure/mix. D2 in stance +4 now! My combos with gun won't drop. Punch parry! FF2 and U 1+2 was getting side stepped already. I'm liking the changes
Same. Literally the only thing that's changed for me post patch is b1+2 can't whiff punish from quite as far away. Everything else is either irrelevant or an outright buff
I did the punch parry on accident against a Steve with no prior knowledge of it existing and I was just like “Umm…excuse me, but WTF DID I JUST DO!?” We were both flabbergasted, but I considered it payback for all the times Steve players made me feel silly by becoming lore accurate against me and dodging bullets. 😂
@@africankingjon thank you victor may be a beginner friendly character but ppl get around him a lot and plus a lot of characters are just better then him anyways but all you'll hear is complaints about him
He has a 70 damage combo off normal now: df2, df42, iai 42, db11~f, perf 22, iai 2, then either b31 or u1+2. Consistent even if off axis (after a sidestep)
wouldnt exactly say that nerfing his 3 best moves is a buff for victor, brother That said we might be looking at a rework soon if they buff his other soon to make him less braindead.
@@X_The_Y but they buffed others in their place. He's not nerfed, just different. Instead of fishing he's more CQC based like his character (lore wise at least) is meant to be. His 101 dmg no wall CH wr2 is gone, sure, but he can still push into the 90s easily and can do so in more ways. Routes are easier, bnbs do more damage, wall carry is actually insane now too.
Not gonna lie, he got a ton of new and cool stuff, id say if you were ACTUALLY good with victor you might enjoy him even more, how ever this patch is detriment to all the lowtiergods put there spamming b1+2, ff2 and expulsion like they were goin out of style.
Wdym, his main trio: powercrush, expulsion, and wr2 are completely worthless now. He has absolutely 0 tools to stop pressure. He can't enter stance easily, so if you pressure him he'll fold like a pancake
He's got 0 tracking on most of his moves, easily one of the top 5 most linear characters in the game. If you nerf everything, might as well delete the character
@chucklos391 yea, I saw the patch notes say hands only, lol. After messing with it, I found out how to do it properly. Thought it was a glitch at first
they given him new stance new moves and they call it nerf? i saw as a buff for him given him more options to play with some nerf damage for sertin moves
It's not just a damage nerf, all of his three strongest moves (powercrush, coup de grace/wr2, and expulsion) are now useless. It's pretty much a completely different character.
@@biivii100 its kinda shitty idea to throw out heavy punishable i17 move into -17 with inconsistant pushback online with unstable lagspikes all over the place. Though you i right, i thought b3 was i18
It took me awhile to notice but its not Lai stance its iai. Japanese art/stance for unsheathing your blade really quickly, its putting yourself in a position to perform devastating and blinding attacks from that stance
@@smickeyYT I disagree. They gutted it. Range is shorter. The tracking actually just doesn’t exit you don’t need to side walk just a half ss gets you a free punish. You can only use it as a wall break and combo ender now.
@@hywolfgaming8932 Bro it's a super evasive, high damage, safe move. It had zero weaknesses in heat. It NEEDED a tracking nerf. It is not gutted, you just now have to use it THOUGHTFULLY instead of MINDLESSLY. Relax
This is getting spammed by Vic haters.. His three best moves were turned to trash in one patch.. This isn’t the same character at all.. All his best stuff now is hidden behind his stances.. Top three moves gutted this was is insane. Back 1+2 is almost comical to watch smh. I’ll see how things shake out but even Farzeen is blown away.
0:17 Even Kazuya is surprised by Victor's f+3 punch parry.
NANI!? NUOH!?
The notes don't say bullet hitbox has been expanded. The notes say Victor's hurtbox has been expanded when using bullet moves. It's labeled as a nerf in the patchnotes because this means certain moves by the opponent (don't ask me which) won't whiff anymore when used during his bullet moves.
I'm so pissed off that they gave the only legit french guy a katana 💀
Yeah, should have been a baguette.
@@eazypeezy4505 Should've been an oversized Eiffel tower souvenir
Can't have shit in this house
Old French dudes aren't weebs?! My life is a lie!
Why?
I've found that you can get much higher combo damage using that Iai 4, 2 now. But the trick is to bound before you do it, not after.
A combo I figured out after testing for a little bit was
df2 launch: df4, 2 -> Iai 2 (tornado) -> df4, 2 -> Iai 4, 2 -> db1, 1 into perfumer -> perfumer 1+2. This is 71 damage, pretty good compared to the 65 his usual staple gets. The perfumer 1+2 will also floor break. You can instead end with perfumer 3 for 70 damage, or perfumer 2 for a bit of wall carry.
This can be worked into other combos as well, I believe so far the trick is to not exceed 6 hits before doing Iai 4, 2. And being able to heat burst after it means even crazier damage with a f1+2 heat dash u1+2 (84 total if done in the previous combo)
db1, 1 and heat burst seem to be the only things that will connect after Iai 4, 2
Thanks mate. Picked Victor up recently. Did you discover this combo on your own?
I incorporated that df 4, 2 into Iai 4, 2 work in most of my combos thanks man
@@carlo5771 I figured it out myself day 1, I'm sure a lot of other people have found them too and made videos of it
His while running is even crazier than before. His ff2 is still tracking. He's stronger than ever 🤣
Better for approach thanks to transition to iai mixup, but worse at close range. Before it was kind of similar to Claudio iWR2 where you could use it in their face if they hesitated a bit, now you'll get launched or stepped every time.
Would've preferred if they made it +3 instead of +2 on block though to allow for a few more safe options on block.
@@0megaD he has punch parry with mixup 🤣
@@0megaD Its startup frames are slower now, so easy to interrupt or step too.
Ff2 doesn’t track counter clockwise side step
i like they didn’t kill him,actually some good changes,i was scared he’s gonna get massacared😅
Now when bullshit is gone i can play him peacefully 😂
Those who dont know: Good news guys, they nerfed Victor!
Those who know: Damn now he get 8 branches of 50/50 while before Victor players always used to on 3 holy grail : Expulsion! Kulkas! And armored knife spam.
In other words: he is nerfed in some areas but uber buffed in others. Oh boy....
@@lightingthief4482yeah but there's gonna be a way around him now
@lightingthief4482 Basically they're changing him from spamming 3 or 4 broken attacks and made him a stance mix up character like he should've always been
And that's why the patch should have been focused straight on nerfs. These "compensating buffs" for half the cast are gonna create a whole new set of problems that weren't there. They keep fixing stuff and then breaking some other, they don't learn.
You just do down back 1, 1 after the new Iai tornado. Makes his combo universal with all launchers for a decent damage increase.
The way I use Victor is buffed. I'll have more 50/50 utility and overall versatility. FF 2 into IAi stance to start pressure/mix. D2 in stance +4 now! My combos with gun won't drop. Punch parry! FF2 and U 1+2 was getting side stepped already. I'm liking the changes
Same. Literally the only thing that's changed for me post patch is b1+2 can't whiff punish from quite as far away. Everything else is either irrelevant or an outright buff
@@remigusker6024 You're exactly right. I was trolling yesterday and landing b1+2 at a pretty high rate just to show people it's still damn good.
it's been almost 5 months and there's still ppl call LAI stance. Brother its IAI
Yaoi stance, gotcha
I stg the only people affected by this are the Victor bots. These are very welcome changes to advanced players 💯🤣
1:35 well deserved Farzeen kept spamming the hell out of that move💀🙏
Farzeen better pick someone else 😂🙏
@@darkninja9499 Farzeen is a god tier player, he'll still wipe the floor with everyone. It's the low-level Victors that need to be scared.
@@garymichalles8383 the way he did knee was so uncalled for
@garymichalles8383 That's the problem. God tier player playing a character with bullshit moves. It's fucking nightmare fuel.
@@biivii100 basically giving doomsday a iq of 240
I did the punch parry on accident against a Steve with no prior knowledge of it existing and I was just like “Umm…excuse me, but WTF DID I JUST DO!?” We were both flabbergasted, but I considered it payback for all the times Steve players made me feel silly by becoming lore accurate against me and dodging bullets. 😂
Well at least Victor mains need to actually think to play the game.
We actually do think learn how to stop it lmao.
there were a lot more braindead characters than victor lmao, one of them also being a new character azucena
@@africankingjon thank you victor may be a beginner friendly character but ppl get around him a lot and plus a lot of characters are just better then him anyways but all you'll hear is complaints about him
I guess people haven't figured out you can get out of negative frames with perfumer :D Oh, boy.
He has a 70 damage combo off normal now: df2, df42, iai 42, db11~f, perf 22, iai 2, then either b31 or u1+2. Consistent even if off axis (after a sidestep)
Why everytime victor do ff2 I misheard him saying "SHAHEEN!"
You can actually get tornado after IAI 4,2 with ff2 but its timing is very strict
Nah this is an overall buff for victor..
wouldnt exactly say that nerfing his 3 best moves is a buff for victor, brother
That said we might be looking at a rework soon if they buff his other soon to make him less braindead.
On what planet?
Not at all...
definetly now people can learn to play tekken.
@@X_The_Y but they buffed others in their place. He's not nerfed, just different. Instead of fishing he's more CQC based like his character (lore wise at least) is meant to be. His 101 dmg no wall CH wr2 is gone, sure, but he can still push into the 90s easily and can do so in more ways. Routes are easier, bnbs do more damage, wall carry is actually insane now too.
B1+2 nerf seems mad reactionary from bumco. Entire cast with similar powercrushes got hit MUCH lighter than him
Remember its a balance/offensive but not nerf😊
Hi me
@@kemalerdemsahin410 oh, nice to meet you
@@kemalerdemsahin410shut up Steve
@@Boultifyshut up other Steve
@@chucklos391 don't cry, the game is much better than before. We waited for months but still played nerfed steve.
Literally the only character I hate playing against 😭war never changes
Not gonna lie, he got a ton of new and cool stuff, id say if you were ACTUALLY good with victor you might enjoy him even more, how ever this patch is detriment to all the lowtiergods put there spamming b1+2, ff2 and expulsion like they were goin out of style.
I mean, they were right though, because ff2, b1+2, and expulsion DID go out of style! 😂
The sword stance is not "Lai" it's Iai as in Iai-do. He's about to draw.
1:55 is what I came for glad they made that move very side steppable, 2:44 excellent to know another braindead move he had this is good this is good !
Damm... Victor just got worst to play againts
Wdym, his main trio: powercrush, expulsion, and wr2 are completely worthless now. He has absolutely 0 tools to stop pressure. He can't enter stance easily, so if you pressure him he'll fold like a pancake
@@garymichalles8383 Everything you said is just wrong
@@strayzzfaxz6740 elaborate or leave
Super sidestep-able now , without strong lows, just block and counter...
can you make a vid about lars and shaheen ;DD
These changes make him a lot more interesting and fun to play for me
Btw the pick up after lai 4,2 is db1,1 or df3
For his Lai 4,2 maybe they meant it to be a wall carry now after spin
The down forwad 2, what was the frame punish before?
The FF+2 madness has ended
When will ff2 tracking get nerfed. He has enough spacing tools...
He's got 0 tracking on most of his moves, easily one of the top 5 most linear characters in the game. If you nerf everything, might as well delete the character
@@garymichalles8383Vic haters won't be satisfied until he's literally unplayable
This is okay balancing
They tried so hard to ruin u1+2 but it still saves my ass
Looks like a lot of buffs actually lol
please upload all characters patch update
thank you
Hmmmm ill have to lab the parry a bit more was testing it last night and could not get it to work
It’s a hard one. Only works for punches. Wish it parried all.
@chucklos391 yea, I saw the patch notes say hands only, lol. After messing with it, I found out how to do it properly. Thought it was a glitch at first
they given him new stance new moves and they call it nerf? i saw as a buff for him given him more options to play with some nerf damage for sertin moves
It's not just a damage nerf, all of his three strongest moves (powercrush, coup de grace/wr2, and expulsion) are now useless. It's pretty much a completely different character.
@garymichalles8383 Useless? Bro whatever you're smoking I want some.
So with powercrush nerf he cant punish demoman and similar ones now?
Yep, using b1+2 as a whiff or block punish is impossible now.
b3 1+2 fellas. Cmon now.
@@biivii100 its kinda shitty idea to throw out heavy punishable i17 move into -17 with inconsistant pushback online with unstable lagspikes all over the place.
Though you i right, i thought b3 was i18
It took me awhile to notice but its not Lai stance its iai. Japanese art/stance for unsheathing your blade really quickly, its putting yourself in a position to perform devastating and blinding attacks from that stance
Expulsion needed a damage nerf not a tracking nerf….
And he did get it didn’t he? In addition to that it is SO easy to side step it now it’s laughable so where’s the problem
No, it did need a tracking nerf
@@smickeyYT I disagree. They gutted it. Range is shorter. The tracking actually just doesn’t exit you don’t need to side walk just a half ss gets you a free punish. You can only use it as a wall break and combo ender now.
@@hywolfgaming8932 Bro it's a super evasive, high damage, safe move. It had zero weaknesses in heat. It NEEDED a tracking nerf. It is not gutted, you just now have to use it THOUGHTFULLY instead of MINDLESSLY. Relax
Can you do one about Feng?
Now he's much worse to play against 😒
This is getting spammed by Vic haters.. His three best moves were turned to trash in one patch.. This isn’t the same character at all.. All his best stuff now is hidden behind his stances.. Top three moves gutted this was is insane. Back 1+2 is almost comical to watch smh. I’ll see how things shake out but even Farzeen is blown away.
new victor combos pleaseee
lol the most braindead new carry character gets even more braindead options. nice
He's cool now. Now I can play him and not feel like an asshole.
So glad this bruh got some nerfs lol but he's still gonna be annoying to fight lmao
Every character is now and a lot worse then victor
I have a combo for you bro
df2 df34 21f prf22 iai42 d1+2 T! qcf2 iai122
73 damage
(off axis) df2 df34 ws1+2f prf 22 iai42 d1+2 T! qcf2 iai122
75 damage
d1+2 after iai 4 2 is not guaranteed, they can tech roll and it doesn't pick up.
lmao victor players actually have to learn how to play tekken now 😂
Wait until they add Akuma back into the game
Asuka plz
Knee right now
Victor is dead.......his mixups are the weakest of all stance characters
LAI D2 buff is unnecessary
Yeah, because EVERYONE used that move already 😏