LPL makes it seem quite easy, because he's a professional. In truth, you need a lot of practice and skill, and a very specific good quality tool to be able to pick the classic Abloy wafer lock in the first place, and a way lot more practice to make it seem as easy as LPL does. It's not as if you'd just get handed that tool, and pick the lock on the first attempt in a couple of minutes.
There actually was a pick quite like that called Vempele back in the day. It was used by some criminals in Finland. It's origin is buried in legends but it was developed by criminals with locksmithing skills.
That model is intended for post boxes and similar lightweight constructions. It is easier to pull the box apart than punch the lock, although breaking the lock is more considerate as you can reuse the box.
Initially the lock was designed somewhere around 1907. That initiated the company Ab Lås Oy, wich changed its name to Abloy. It was finally sold to ASSA.
ive never picked a lock in my life and i doubt i ever will but i do watch all of his videos. i think i appreciate how he doesn't waste time, no clickbait, no horse shit of any type whatsoever. he never stretches the videos for no reason.
@@thenormalyears yeah its interesting that for this channel 7 mins is a fairly long video length where some channels stretch every video to at least ten but then again LPL is almost certainly not doing youtube for the money so i guess he feels no need to try to play the algorithm
It is, isn't it? But beware ... I watched some, got intrigued, and now I own a set of lockpicks, a couple of practice locks, and I'm learning, slowly. I'll never be up to LPL's standard, but I'm improving.
The good thing about the Abloy lock is that it needs a special tool for picking it. That Abloy classic lock is a 100-year-old model and is the easiest to pick.
@@jamesh7876 The part that actually needs to be picked is identical to 1907 design as far as I know. The circular hole in the middle of disc is a cheap fix to prevent a single picking tool to even start trying to rotate the disc. The actual picking is based on feeling the sidebar scratching against the side of the disc and that part has not been changed.
These things are used on literally every full-height cupboard of in every single school I was in up in Northern Sweden. Those cupboards were usually stuffed with whatever helping equipment and/or devices appropriate for the classroom they found themselves in. Half of me never expected to see the omnipresent lock show up with You, LockPicking Lawyer! Well done on refreshing my Nostalgia!
Very impressive ! I started picking locks as a teenager back in the 80s. I had a few early successes but this Abloy design totally flummoxed me. It's really satisfying to finally learn how it's done, thirty years later. Closure :)
The 2nd flaw is allow the disk to be loose at true gate. Just add a nonlocking second bar, even third ?, on opposite side,so the disk is always at false gate on one bar or the other ? by that way, when he feels he cannot tell if a disk is it true gate... They all seem to be at a false gate,which is a tighter grip.. still pickable but only with fibre optic inspection of the disks.. micrometre picking m
If I'm not mistaken, that lock design is way back from 1907, rare to see them these days, but in the 80s and 90s they were still quite common to see. Even in house doors they had similar keys.These days in some post boxes or something irrelevant. Newer ones like 1977, 1994 or 2012 are probably much harder to pick, would love to see some newer abloys taken apart like that
We have these all over the place for my work. Keys sometimes don't work and sometimes we don't have the right key so I'm glad to here you can easily punch it out.
Yeah, we use that key only in warehouse or very old house. I would like to see Abloy Exec, Sento or Protec locks opening. Don't have to go for those electric locks. This Abloy Classic is now 100 years old.
It must be 20 years ago that I heard this Classic can be picked by a pro in less than 10 minutes. This whole video is less than 10 minutes with disassembling the lock included, so I didn't hear wrong back then. Nevertheless, ever since that day I didn't much trust this old design. So, no, it wasn't really worth praying for, it was given LPL could pick it with his mad skills.
@@jj981293486 Yes. I've seen that video too. But actually that video does not prove it was picked. Every critical thing in that video was covered with hands. He just could´ve used the key to open that lock...
Well id say its technically also vastly different to pick a lock thats not attached to a door etc. than picking one that you are holding in your hand and can move around etc. Not that the method is different or that I know anything about lockpicking in general... Just my thoughts.
I've been watching these videos for a couple of years, and I just have to say how marvelously entertaining they are. Moreover, I've decided to pursue studying locks as a hobby now. Fantastic stuff, sir.
I have enjoyed watching Mr LPL for a very long time and this just never ceases to amaze me. When it comes to this art form I am truly in awe. I can fix anything electronically and design PCBs or Main chassis PCBs but this is baffling how this community (and especially Mr LPL [for he is truly at the top of his game]) can do something that seems so impossible to me. Much respect to all of you artists out there. Superb content! Thank You!
Yeah, that one actually took him a pretty good while vs most of the competition 😆... If I needed to lock something up, I'd choose one of those over anything else he's opened tbh...
Considering it took him this long to pick it with a specialized tool he had to create himself, I’d say that if they addressed the punching vulnerability then it’d be a good lock.
As I am from Finland, I had to check. I carry two sets of keys. One for personal use, it has 6 keys and 3 of those are abloy classics, including one for my front door. Second set is for my work, where i seem to have 10 keys and 8 of those are classics. Ranging from toolboxes to customer front doors and server rooms. I'm really surprised if abloy does not still sell classics by the hundreds of thousands per year. At least key blanks, but probably whole actual locks too. I have bought at least 5 locks in last 10 years for personal use.
@Lassi Kinnunen I moved to Canada and, while perhaps not as extreme as your experience in Thailand, I was quite amused by my apartment having bars in front of the windows but me being able to open the front door with regular tools after some practice. It also takes all of 20 seconds and 15 cents to copy any key here so if you ever lend your keys to someone you'll have to be afraid they've gone and copied it.
A way around the punch vulnerability would be to set it up so it pulls a positively-retained locking prong/pawl out of the way when unlocked. That way punching it out makes the locking setup fail closed. Not a big help on pick resistance, though it's got decent steps towards that already.
The Classic is still dangerously widespread, thanks to Abloy not allowing licensed locksmiths to sell parts for newer models and requiring keys to be ordered via the factory.
After watching your Ruko video and this one, I feel a lot safer in my home, where I have both lol. My landlord told me not to loose this Abloy key for my door, because the lock smiths couldn't pick it open, he said, it would have to be drilled out. I guess he had never heard of LPL
yes we can do it. but its faster and cheaper to just drill them. of you lose one key we just change to coding and make new keys. no risk of unwanted people getting inside. safety is the product we sell, not parts.
Nice to see one of these classic Abloy locks picked, we use a lot of them here in Finland. Abloy is a Finnish company, the name stands for AB Lukko Oy, with "lukko" meaning "lock" in Finnish. Oh, and the AB and OY stand for "aktiebolag" and "osakeyhtiö", both roughly translate to "Ltd." in English.
That particular cylinder with the weakness of being punched apart still means that anyone gaining access have to do it in the destructive way making it clear that the contents is compromised. Picking it takes some skill and takes time. This cylinder type would be on cabinets where many cabinets would otherwise just be using wafer locks so this would definitely be a few steps up in security and give a good tamper evidence.
This kind of cam lock is used in Finland mainly in private mailboxes. Actual house doors have different design that cannot doesn't have similar space behind the lock and cannot be easily punched in.
I found one of thoes keys years ago...umm...decades ago, my brothers foot locker key from his Navy days. Thank you I do enjoy all your video's very much.
@@lockpickinglawyer from the looks of it it's going to be a long long party... omg, how many of them did you make??? :)) Awesome, man, you're like Forgotten Weapons of locks :))
Cheers for that, A house I know of has a garage with the same lock, and I know for sure they have a couple of expensive, exotic and soon to be mine, motorbikes in there. So cheers for your help and advice. Trust me, you've saved me about 30 grand or so👍😊
Thank you Lock Picking Lawyer for showing me time and time again that neither myself or my possessions will ever be safe with passive security systems, and locks are just a device to feign security.
These classics don't necessary need special tools, but a lot of patience. I have managed to open two of these, one was warehouse door and another was on mail box. In these and also on cabinets there is fewer cuts, five or six is quite common.
thank you for posting this I have old arcade units with similar locks on them only mine has bumps on the centers of the disks. its nice to see how these particular locks work.
I would consider a lock that requires a specific custom-machined tool, using prior knowledge of the internals of the lock, and an experienced elite lockpicker to open to be a decent security lock, worth it's money. Not like those home depot locks you get through in 13 seconds with a standard pick and moderate tension.
Also. That's called the "classic" model for a reason. It's literally over a hundred year old design and there has since been newer models that are much more complicated than this one.
A lock design that is only safe if attacker doesn't have prior knowledge of the internals of the lock (other than specific key cut, of course) is a poor design. Also known as security through obscurity. Doesn't work for hardware nor software.
The difference is, if this is an external lpck, or locks/security measures before are defeated non destructively, an attacker will simply return at a later date prepared to defeat the obscure lock. There's usually no reason they can't try again. A breakin caught on camera is only caught if someone knows to scrub throught the past night's footage.
Thanks for the video! I actually have an Abloy Classic padlock given by a friend solely for the purpose of me picking it, since the key is missing. Your video really helps me coming up with my own picking tool. The Abloy Classic is a 100-year old design, but still damn difficult to pick IMO. I can't imagine how the newer ones are. Can you try to pick an Abloy Protec 2 lock please?
The way you talk during picking reminds me of all the times i had a dentist examine my mouth and read out the state of every single tooth to the nurse in the room.
Back in highschool we used to build lockpics out of iron wire and learn how to pick these. Took a long time but eventually we got it and managed to pick these all over school.
They changed the design to prevent the punch attack, the internals are added to the front and have a special disc that spins to prevent wrenching attacks as well.
When did this happen? As I have yet to see one, just saw new ones that were this exact design apart from the steel rod, as this still has the older brass rod.
Link to any store that sells such a version? As far as I know, Abloy never fixed this CL100 style cam lock design. Other variants meant to be used in actual doors have different design and has used different design for at least 50 years.
At one flat where I lived in Finland many years ago, almost certainly with an old Abloy lock on the front door, I left the door wide open one day by accident when I was very ill, and all that happened was two gorgeous and lovely ladies called in to check whether I was okay. I quickly made a full recovery.
Many years ago I worked for a payphone company. All out phones used a similar abloy lock attached to a substantial safe style 4 arm latch. Never saw one picked. One summer though we did see a bunch with broken internals and the money gone. After about 20 phones being robbed the guy got caught. He was freezing the locks with liquid N2 and then punching them. One solid hit and everything shattered in the lock.
Finland has 2 official languages,Finnish and Swedish...in Swedish the word corporation is aktiebulag shortened as ab...Finnish word for is osakeyhtiö shortened as oy...the word for lock is lukko in Finnish...all those combined comes the name ab lukko oy and its shortened as abloy...
@@MosoKaiser That is indeed how to saying goes. What he means is that "honoust people" don´t go to cabinet with a lock on it. Although if it isn´t lock you might have temptation to take something from it. Cabinet without a lock leads to saying "Temptation makes a thief" ;). Dishonoust people go there even with a lock on it by breaking and entering as 'lide de Deli' put it well there. I hope this cleared this out :).
I spent the late 70s and early 80s working in the coin-op amusements and vending business as a repair technician. Most video games, jukes, and pinballs use cam locks, or at least they did back then. Not once in all the time I spent in the business did we ever have a machine that was picked open. Why even bother with that when cam locks were so easy to defeat with a screwdriver or small prybar, forcing the door open by bending the cam or the brass stem on the lock that the cam mounts on? I believe this lock has that same pair of weaknesses, in addition to the weakness you detailed.
Not sure if HuxleyPig69 is willing to share his tool design for the Protec 2 pick with LPL. I don't see how a Protec 2 could be picked without a specialized tool.
Alexander Gräf from what I read from him; it seems like he may at some point sell the tool, only after he has more then likely patented it. I could see it happen later down the road. I feel like, at some point LPL will be cracking a protec 2 with one of HPs tools. Question is, how long will we wait?
@@jcprov9481 Yeah, I totally understand him not sharing the design. It's his work. But unless LPL gets his hands on a special tool, I don't see a way for him to pick the Protec 2.
Abloy classic had a major problem on door locks. It did not have automatic dead bolt so unless the bolt was somehow protected one could open it with an L-shaped tool. I think in most cases you could manually dead bolt it. When I was about ten or so I went wit a friend to his home and he shad forgotten his keys, He took a piece of metal wire, bent it an opened the door faster than with a key.
I’m interested in that As well Maybe a large steel bracket over the back or place the lock in a way that prevents you from getting a hammer in there These are nice locks and I didn’t know about the punch Vulnerability
Matthew Kish, make that lock more like their other cylinder locks where the core is totally behind steel. Or they need a hardened thicker retainer instead of soft metal.
Matthew: replace the copper lockring from the back of the lock with a steel one that won't be that easy to break with the hammering. Doesn't make the lock entirely indestructible, but makes it usually already stronger than the material the lock is mounted to. (I've heard that Abloy did indeed change the design after the vulnerability was discovered. I would also assume that test was also added to their lock-torturing test catalog (in addition to the usual sledgehammers, LN2, and then hydralic press to check how much force it takes to rip it apart).)
I know nothing of lock picking but these videos are gold. Also, the new zoom function makes it easier watching details on parts, but for someone working with security I would think LPL would think twice about showing his finger prints in detail online? :p
Here's a fun fact: ABLOY stands for AB Lukko OY, which literally means 'Joint-stock company Lock Joint-stock company', or as we Finns pronounce it in Finnish, "aa-bee lukko oo-yy". Finland has two official languages, Finnish and Swedish, so the AB at the beginning stands for Swedish word 'aktiebolag' meaning 'joint-stock company'. This is followed by a letter 'L' for the Finnish word 'lukko', which means lock. Finally there is OY (usually written 'Oy') which means 'osakeyhtiö', the Finnish substitution for 'joint-stock company'. Have a nice day!
This design is still used only in some old houses since Abloy has developed far more advanced locks already decades ago. Also today, locks use to be more or less electric and IT-based in brand new houses here in Finland. Furthermore, I have heard that thieves use crowbars rather than wasting their time for picking.
@@66Flux In larger rentals and facilities maybe, but for your standard apartment building and houses we don't really even recommend electrical locking, as it's usually just a waste of money.
most things secured with a lock like that is thin sheetmetal lockers, toolboxes etc, so the metal would often give way before, or with about the same ease as this lock kan be punched. (lockers vs prybars are common enough)
In case you were curious: "The unique ABLOY lock and key was invented in 1907 by Emil Henriksson, an office machinery mechanic in Helsinki, Finland. While repairing a cash register, he realised that the rotating cylindrical disks of the machine were eminently suitable for use as a lock mechanism. The first locks went on sale two years later and lock production at Ab Låsfabriken - Lukkotehdas Oy began in 1918. The name 'ABLOY' is formed from the letters of this company’s name."
I think I remember (or my mind might be tricking me) that I've seen such locks locking away stuff at the primary school I attended back in the day, and as a kid, I had dreamt of picking open such locks and accessing some of those teacher and staff only areas hidden behind those doors.
I'm a carpenter and I have never met a lock that couldn't be opened with a quarter inch tungsten drill bit! I learned that if you go slow the drill bit will destroy all the pins and at some point the lock will fail and turn just from the twisting motion of the drill
Great pick! As always you chewed right threw that lock. Very cool design. How would you design it so it could not be punched? A top steel blocking end cap?
I am curious, because I have a lock like this on my van, but the end of the key has a little pin relief to prevent a tool from getting to the back 4 discs, im wondering if you have similar lock like this?
@@Katzenkratscher I know this is old, but to answer your question, no, no groove. the key itself is C shaped on the end, not D shaped. the inner 1/3rd has been milled out, and the discs that match it also have a disc part sticking into the keyway preventing a D shaped key from going in. it also has a control groove on the outside of the key, a slot that only goes about 1/2 way, but also prevents a D shaped key without this groove from going all the way in.
@@chubbysumo2230 If the key is C-shaped, then it definitely has a groove. Those were a development after the classic style. The idea was that they were more difficult to reproduce with hand tools. Actually they were easier to reproduce. All you needed was a piece of brass or copper pipe. That is why Abloy developed a key with two asymmetrical grooves.
There is millions of homes still using Classic lock in finland. It is simple, but vast majority of criminals aren't this skilled that they can make a Vempele and/or use it. so basically it is safe as any other abloy locks. They smash a window anyway.
LOL! Not in Finlad. Waait! All ULKOHUUSI:S HAS ONE! Also known as "pikkula" - very impiortant places when you got to go....well ...you know! very important "recykling place!
Are you familiar with the Abloy Exec and Sento style locks? While structurally very similar to the anti-pick-improved Classic, they have a 180 degree symmetric keyway so you can insert a key either way, and there is always an open space in the center throughout the keyway. There were also a couple different improvements that built on the Classic's D-shaped keyway with a thicker key body and longitudinal wards ("groove lock/key"). While the key diameter was larger, the wards took up space so that the lock might not have been as easy to manoeuver with the classic "vempele" pick (doohickey might be a good translation). Also you could use the same series of slant cuts on keys with different wards.
"I do not have a key to this lock..."
No keys needed in LPL's world.
He probably only owns just a car key and thats it. Doesnt need any other keys
That’s why you can’t trust his opinion. “As you can see, this lock is easily picked.” Yeah, what lock isn’t for LPL? Lol!
Should we recruit him for the September 20th Area 51 raid? His skill set could help us.
@@CandyGramForMongo_ Abloy Protec II.
Try more complex Abloy locks. We have used those in Finland for like 50 years ago.
Couple of decades ago you could have all the locks in Finland opened with a tool like that.
Åland 🇦🇽 too?
LPL makes it seem quite easy, because he's a professional. In truth, you need a lot of practice and skill, and a very specific good quality tool to be able to pick the classic Abloy wafer lock in the first place, and a way lot more practice to make it seem as easy as LPL does. It's not as if you'd just get handed that tool, and pick the lock on the first attempt in a couple of minutes.
And Sweden too
There actually was a pick quite like that called Vempele back in the day. It was used by some criminals in Finland. It's origin is buried in legends but it was developed by criminals with locksmithing skills.
@@jonatanwesterberg not really as common in Sweden. This is this Assa land...
That model is intended for post boxes and similar lightweight constructions. It is easier to pull the box apart than punch the lock, although breaking the lock is more considerate as you can reuse the box.
And i have seen locks like that in swimming hall lockers, whitch have been usually made of very thin sheet metal.
A lock designed more than a hundred years ago and still in use today and will probably be in use unchanged the next hundred years.
It was first sold in 1920, so not *more than* 100 years ago.
@@JasperJanssen
If it was sold in 1920, it was designed before that.
Olli Turunen still not “more than”.
Initially the lock was designed somewhere around 1907.
That initiated the company Ab Lås Oy, wich changed its name to Abloy. It was finally sold to ASSA.
@@Katzenkratscher BAM! Take that, you guys!
I have NO interest in lock picking....That being said, Why is your channel so damn intriguing?? Great content LPL!
Mechanisms are cool.
ive never picked a lock in my life and i doubt i ever will but i do watch all of his videos. i think i appreciate how he doesn't waste time, no clickbait, no horse shit of any type whatsoever. he never stretches the videos for no reason.
@@thenormalyears yeah its interesting that for this channel 7 mins is a fairly long video length where some channels stretch every video to at least ten but then again LPL is almost certainly not doing youtube for the money so i guess he feels no need to try to play the algorithm
It is, isn't it? But beware ... I watched some, got intrigued, and now I own a set of lockpicks, a couple of practice locks, and I'm learning, slowly. I'll never be up to LPL's standard, but I'm improving.
All of his videos are exactly as long as they need to be, No longer.
The good thing about the Abloy lock is that it needs a special tool for picking it. That Abloy classic lock is a 100-year-old model and is the easiest to pick.
Tuomas Levoniemi didn’t get say the one counter disk is from the last 20 years to stop a newer type of pick?
@@jamesh7876 The part that actually needs to be picked is identical to 1907 design as far as I know. The circular hole in the middle of disc is a cheap fix to prevent a single picking tool to even start trying to rotate the disc. The actual picking is based on feeling the sidebar scratching against the side of the disc and that part has not been changed.
I think the special tool prerequisite might be a bit of a myth. I've seen Abloys get picked with very regular files
"This is Lockpicking Lawyer, and what I have today is piece of ancient history of Finland"
These things are used on literally every full-height cupboard of in every single school I was in up in Northern Sweden. Those cupboards were usually stuffed with whatever helping equipment and/or devices appropriate for the classroom they found themselves in. Half of me never expected to see the omnipresent lock show up with You, LockPicking Lawyer! Well done on refreshing my Nostalgia!
Very impressive ! I started picking locks as a teenager back in the 80s. I had a few early successes but this Abloy design totally flummoxed me. It's really satisfying to finally learn how it's done, thirty years later. Closure :)
Outside of the one design flaw, it's a very good lock.
The 2nd flaw is allow the disk to be loose at true gate. Just add a nonlocking second bar, even third ?, on opposite side,so the disk is always at false gate on one bar or the other ? by that way, when he feels he cannot tell if a disk is it true gate... They all seem to be at a false gate,which is a tighter grip.. still pickable but only with fibre optic inspection of the disks.. micrometre picking m
If I'm not mistaken, that lock design is way back from 1907, rare to see them these days, but in the 80s and 90s they were still quite common to see. Even in house doors they had similar keys.These days in some post boxes or something irrelevant. Newer ones like 1977, 1994 or 2012 are probably much harder to pick, would love to see some newer abloys taken apart like that
We have these all over the place for my work. Keys sometimes don't work and sometimes we don't have the right key so I'm glad to here you can easily punch it out.
Our house has one of these. Also my locker in school. Or atleast they look similar.
@@JamesTerrell
Abloy lock not working...really?
Greetings from Finland.
Imagine you're an area 51 guard
And hear "4 is binding, 5 is false....."
Over the door.
You've just described the US army's worst nightmare.
LMAO...
your profile pic describes their feeling
Lmao best comment
Completely recycle comment.
In Finland we call this type of an Abloy lockpick the "vempele", which is also just a general term to mean a gadget, widget or contraption.
Suomi mainittu
torille
Vempele in your pants. Its called Tiirikka
@@SuperKanuuna LoL. Tiirikka on eri asia kuin vempele/vempain
@@Tomi-oe5mz mutsis on lol. Veteleppä poika vempelettäs
LPL: * picks Abloy lock *
Finnish people:
"Our prayers have been answered."
except that its old design lock ;)
Yeah, we use that key only in warehouse or very old house. I would like to see Abloy Exec, Sento or Protec locks opening. Don't have to go for those electric locks.
This Abloy Classic is now 100 years old.
It must be 20 years ago that I heard this Classic can be picked by a pro in less than 10 minutes. This whole video is less than 10 minutes with disassembling the lock included, so I didn't hear wrong back then. Nevertheless, ever since that day I didn't much trust this old design. So, no, it wasn't really worth praying for, it was given LPL could pick it with his mad skills.
@@jj981293486 Yes. I've seen that video too. But actually that video does not prove it was picked. Every critical thing in that video was covered with hands. He just could´ve used the key to open that lock...
Well id say its technically also vastly different to pick a lock thats not attached to a door etc. than picking one that you are holding in your hand and can move around etc. Not that the method is different or that I know anything about lockpicking in general... Just my thoughts.
Abloy lock... need special tool to pick it and get in quietly... i love being Finnish
Have you considered studying Protec, Sento or Exec key cylinders which are quite a bit more modern?
I've been watching these videos for a couple of years, and I just have to say how marvelously entertaining they are. Moreover, I've decided to pursue studying locks as a hobby now.
Fantastic stuff, sir.
I have enjoyed watching Mr LPL for a very long time and this just never ceases to amaze me. When it comes to this art form I am truly in awe. I can fix anything electronically and design PCBs or Main chassis PCBs but this is baffling how this community (and especially Mr LPL [for he is truly at the top of his game]) can do something that seems so impossible to me. Much respect to all of you artists out there. Superb content! Thank You!
"Gutted" - a term to describe lock company executives when their brand is featured on LPL.
That depends on the length of the video. If picking too longer than a minute it's pretty much unpickable(excluding LPL)
Yeah, that one actually took him a pretty good while vs most of the competition 😆... If I needed to lock something up, I'd choose one of those over anything else he's opened tbh...
@@pastorofmuppets325 or maybe use something that isn't over a century old design ;)
Considering it took him this long to pick it with a specialized tool he had to create himself, I’d say that if they addressed the punching vulnerability then it’d be a good lock.
As I am from Finland, I had to check. I carry two sets of keys. One for personal use, it has 6 keys and 3 of those are abloy classics, including one for my front door. Second set is for my work, where i seem to have 10 keys and 8 of those are classics. Ranging from toolboxes to customer front doors and server rooms. I'm really surprised if abloy does not still sell classics by the hundreds of thousands per year. At least key blanks, but probably whole actual locks too. I have bought at least 5 locks in last 10 years for personal use.
@Lassi Kinnunen I moved to Canada and, while perhaps not as extreme as your experience in Thailand, I was quite amused by my apartment having bars in front of the windows but me being able to open the front door with regular tools after some practice.
It also takes all of 20 seconds and 15 cents to copy any key here so if you ever lend your keys to someone you'll have to be afraid they've gone and copied it.
A way around the punch vulnerability would be to set it up so it pulls a positively-retained locking prong/pawl out of the way when unlocked. That way punching it out makes the locking setup fail closed. Not a big help on pick resistance, though it's got decent steps towards that already.
Thanks for this! I'd like to see you do the more modern Abloy locks as well: Exec, Sentry, Sento.
The Classic is still dangerously widespread, thanks to Abloy not allowing licensed locksmiths to sell parts for newer models and requiring keys to be ordered via the factory.
@@nyandyn it is for safety reasons
After watching your Ruko video and this one, I feel a lot safer in my home, where I have both lol.
My landlord told me not to loose this Abloy key for my door, because the lock smiths couldn't pick it open, he said, it would have to be drilled out. I guess he had never heard of LPL
yes we can do it. but its faster and cheaper to just drill them. of you lose one key we just change to coding and make new keys. no risk of unwanted people getting inside. safety is the product we sell, not parts.
I like how I'm slowly starting to understand locks while watching your channel.
Nice to see one of these classic Abloy locks picked, we use a lot of them here in Finland. Abloy is a Finnish company, the name stands for AB Lukko Oy, with "lukko" meaning "lock" in Finnish.
Oh, and the AB and OY stand for "aktiebolag" and "osakeyhtiö", both roughly translate to "Ltd." in English.
Lauri Lehtiaho , Actually I think the L stands for Lås (lock in Swedish). Or at least it did originally. 😀
@@calbackk Oh, that sounds quite plausible actually. Thanks for the correction.
låsfabriken
@@calbackk Think it stands for both actually, the original name if my information is solid was Ab Låsfabriken-Lukkotehdas Oy
TheAzynder , off course.
Hell yeah! I don't think/remember I have ever seen a disk detainer gutted and explained. Thank you LPL 🤘
Beautiful -- so nice and clean being brand new -- excellent fast pick with very sharp and clear video. +, of course, a great explanation
That particular cylinder with the weakness of being punched apart still means that anyone gaining access have to do it in the destructive way making it clear that the contents is compromised. Picking it takes some skill and takes time.
This cylinder type would be on cabinets where many cabinets would otherwise just be using wafer locks so this would definitely be a few steps up in security and give a good tamper evidence.
This kind of cam lock is used in Finland mainly in private mailboxes. Actual house doors have different design that cannot doesn't have similar space behind the lock and cannot be easily punched in.
I have to say that i feel quite safe behind ABLOY lock... And i've always had one in the door, lived in 15 places in my life.
I got a lock pick set and thanks to being a regular viewer i was able to pick several locks with both and and bottom tension on the key way
I found one of thoes keys years ago...umm...decades ago, my brothers foot locker key from his
Navy days.
Thank you I do enjoy all your video's very much.
Just found your channel (Hand Tools Rescue guy mentioned you in a comment to the new My Mechanics video)
Good stuff man, let the binge begin! :))
I love both of those channels... and welcome to the party. 👍
@@lockpickinglawyer from the looks of it it's going to be a long long party... omg, how many of them did you make??? :))
Awesome, man, you're like Forgotten Weapons of locks :))
"It does however have one significant vulnerability and that is: Me The one and only LockPickingLawyer" :D
Cheers for that, A house I know of has a garage with the same lock, and I know for sure they have a couple of expensive, exotic and soon to be mine, motorbikes in there. So cheers for your help and advice. Trust me, you've saved me about 30 grand or so👍😊
It's pure art the way you can just feel which gates are being turned. Magic! 👍
Thank you Lock Picking Lawyer for showing me time and time again that neither myself or my possessions will ever be safe with passive security systems, and locks are just a device to feign security.
@LPL:
Thanks a lot for letting the lock pawl in place and filming it.
This way, we can clearly see the counter-rotations in the picking process.
These classics don't necessary need special tools, but a lot of patience. I have managed to open two of these, one was warehouse door and another was on mail box. In these and also on cabinets there is fewer cuts, five or six is quite common.
Ever since I found your channel I have waited for this video
You made it look so easy. Top job as usual.👍🏻😎
thank you for posting this I have old arcade units with similar locks on them only mine has bumps on the centers of the disks. its nice to see how these particular locks work.
I would consider a lock that requires a specific custom-machined tool, using prior knowledge of the internals of the lock, and an experienced elite lockpicker to open to be a decent security lock, worth it's money. Not like those home depot locks you get through in 13 seconds with a standard pick and moderate tension.
Also. That's called the "classic" model for a reason. It's literally over a hundred year old design and there has since been newer models that are much more complicated than this one.
A lock design that is only safe if attacker doesn't have prior knowledge of the internals of the lock (other than specific key cut, of course) is a poor design. Also known as security through obscurity. Doesn't work for hardware nor software.
The difference is, if this is an external lpck, or locks/security measures before are defeated non destructively, an attacker will simply return at a later date prepared to defeat the obscure lock. There's usually no reason they can't try again. A breakin caught on camera is only caught if someone knows to scrub throught the past night's footage.
Thanks for the video! I actually have an Abloy Classic padlock given by a friend solely for the purpose of me picking it, since the key is missing. Your video really helps me coming up with my own picking tool. The Abloy Classic is a 100-year old design, but still damn difficult to pick IMO. I can't imagine how the newer ones are. Can you try to pick an Abloy Protec 2 lock please?
There is no way he has not tried already. Would not make a great video. 20mins and "fuck it, i cant do it".
There is a reason he is picking this obsolete model.
The strength he's got, undoing that nut with his bare hands. Amazing!
That's what rock climbing can do for you. :)
At this point, I'm pretty sure you can pick a reinforced concrete wall, and make it look like child'splay.
*laughs in C4*
"It's a copy of Matt Smith's design..."
A sonic screwdriver is cheating, of course!
dammit I came here to comment the same thing lmao
The way you talk during picking reminds me of all the times i had a dentist examine my mouth and read out the state of every single tooth to the nurse in the room.
Back in highschool we used to build lockpics out of iron wire and learn how to pick these. Took a long time but eventually we got it and managed to pick these all over school.
They changed the design to prevent the punch attack, the internals are added to the front and have a special disc that spins to prevent wrenching attacks as well.
When did this happen? As I have yet to see one, just saw new ones that were this exact design apart from the steel rod, as this still has the older brass rod.
Link to any store that sells such a version? As far as I know, Abloy never fixed this CL100 style cam lock design. Other variants meant to be used in actual doors have different design and has used different design for at least 50 years.
@@MikkoRantalainen :securitysnobs.com/Abloy-Protec2-Heavy-Duty-Key-Retaining-Cam-Lock.html
Thanks for this video. I have an Abloy on an old payphone I need to get open. That punch method looks like the trick for me.
There's a significant lack of modern Abloy locks on the channel. Lpl does seem to pick locks that... he can pick.
One reason might be also that Abloy locks are pretty rare outside Finland
At one flat where I lived in Finland many years ago, almost certainly with an old Abloy lock on the front door, I left the door wide open one day by accident when I was very ill, and all that happened was two gorgeous and lovely ladies called in to check whether I was okay. I quickly made a full recovery.
I've seen that movie! Think it was called "Legs wide open #36"
Top effort! 90sec pick time! Enjoy everyone of your videos!
Many years ago I worked for a payphone company. All out phones used a similar abloy lock attached to a substantial safe style 4 arm latch. Never saw one picked. One summer though we did see a bunch with broken internals and the money gone. After about 20 phones being robbed the guy got caught. He was freezing the locks with liquid N2 and then punching them. One solid hit and everything shattered in the lock.
Finland has 2 official languages,Finnish and Swedish...in Swedish the word corporation is aktiebulag shortened as ab...Finnish word for is osakeyhtiö shortened as oy...the word for lock is lukko in Finnish...all those combined comes the name ab lukko oy and its shortened as abloy...
Didn't Abloy start as AB Lås OY rather than AB Lukko OY?
Burglers in Finland usually just break the door door or go through a window, because it takes too much time to pick abloy locks.
And just wait until everyone is drunk.
Oh, you don't have to wait for that? Good, maybe I'm a bit Finnish too.
Locks are against honest people. True criminals go through windows or just smash the door or lock.
Not sure if I'd call people who'd take your shit if it wasn't behind lock and key honest...
@@MosoKaiser That is indeed how to saying goes. What he means is that "honoust people" don´t go to cabinet with a lock on it. Although if it isn´t lock you might have temptation to take something from it. Cabinet without a lock leads to saying "Temptation makes a thief" ;).
Dishonoust people go there even with a lock on it by breaking and entering as 'lide de Deli' put it well there.
I hope this cleared this out :).
@@Juissimies84 Isn't it opportunity that makes a thief?
Of course you could say the temptation of the opportunity.
@@pvkk85 Good correction! Don´t know what i was thinking there when i wrote it :).
Happy to see so many Finland related comments 😀
I spent the late 70s and early 80s working in the coin-op amusements and vending business as a repair technician. Most video games, jukes, and pinballs use cam locks, or at least they did back then. Not once in all the time I spent in the business did we ever have a machine that was picked open. Why even bother with that when cam locks were so easy to defeat with a screwdriver or small prybar, forcing the door open by bending the cam or the brass stem on the lock that the cam mounts on? I believe this lock has that same pair of weaknesses, in addition to the weakness you detailed.
First-rate camera! Could you do some high-security lever locks, please?
Hang on, isn't HuxleyPick the guy who was able to pick the Protec I and II?
Yes, HuxleyPig is the guy
Yes, and LPL credits Matt Smith (HuxleyPick) for the design of this tool in [916] Abloy 341 “Enforcer” Padlock Picked and Gutted.
Yup.
ruclips.net/video/6UZ6tcvgd9U/видео.html
LPL is reaching his maximum strength... protec 2 is just around the corner.
Not sure if HuxleyPig69 is willing to share his tool design for the Protec 2 pick with LPL. I don't see how a Protec 2 could be picked without a specialized tool.
Or Sento
Alexander Gräf from what I read from him; it seems like he may at some point sell the tool, only after he has more then likely patented it. I could see it happen later down the road.
I feel like, at some point LPL will be cracking a protec 2 with one of HPs tools. Question is, how long will we wait?
@@jcprov9481 Yeah, I totally understand him not sharing the design. It's his work. But unless LPL gets his hands on a special tool, I don't see a way for him to pick the Protec 2.
@John Sampson If you really want security on your door locks, you'll use NFC cylinders.
Hammer? Punch? No you need Mr RAMSET!
Now that I think about it, Ramset spelt another way is MASTER... As in, the Ramset is the Master Key, for ALL locks.
r1273m he did that in a video I didn’t remember which video.
video 555 ruclips.net/video/H9pFLOD31QY/видео.html
LPL has a alarm clock that he needs to pick in order to turn it off.
Flawless picking as always brother, loved the video!
Kiitos paljon! Me täällä Suomessa katsotaan tätä mielellään. Btw osa lukoista on yhä tällaisia, ja jostain pitää aloittaa!!!!
Fascinating as ever. Thank you.
I was first addicted to MRE videos, then ASMR, now lockpicking.
7 MINUTES LONG? wow this is some good lock
Nice vid, much more positive to watch lately, thanks 👍👍👍👍
Abloy classic had a major problem on door locks. It did not have automatic dead bolt so unless the bolt was somehow protected one could open it with an L-shaped tool. I think in most cases you could manually dead bolt it. When I was about ten or so I went wit a friend to his home and he shad forgotten his keys, He took a piece of metal wire, bent it an opened the door faster than with a key.
LPL: "I do not have a key to this lock"
Also LPL: *Is the key*
LPL is a keyblade master confirmed.
HowDenKing I was thinking more lovecraftian
What could be added to a lock like this to prevent the punching attack you mentioned?
Matthew Kish a backplate of sorts welded on
I’m interested in that As well
Maybe a large steel bracket over the back or place the lock in a way that prevents you from getting a hammer in there
These are nice locks and I didn’t know about the punch Vulnerability
Matthew Kish, make that lock more like their other cylinder locks where the core is totally behind steel. Or they need a hardened thicker retainer instead of soft metal.
Matthew: replace the copper lockring from the back of the lock with a steel one that won't be that easy to break with the hammering. Doesn't make the lock entirely indestructible, but makes it usually already stronger than the material the lock is mounted to. (I've heard that Abloy did indeed change the design after the vulnerability was discovered. I would also assume that test was also added to their lock-torturing test catalog (in addition to the usual sledgehammers, LN2, and then hydralic press to check how much force it takes to rip it apart).)
@@L2M2K2 if this was Reddit I would give you a silver
I know nothing of lock picking but these videos are gold. Also, the new zoom function makes it easier watching details on parts, but for someone working with security I would think LPL would think twice about showing his finger prints in detail online? :p
Could you add a metal plate to back to protect from punching? Or even JB Weld back in way that doesn't stop it from working? Just curious.
Good to see you picking some abloy
Here's a fun fact: ABLOY stands for AB Lukko OY, which literally means 'Joint-stock company Lock Joint-stock company', or as we Finns pronounce it in Finnish, "aa-bee lukko oo-yy". Finland has two official languages, Finnish and Swedish, so the AB at the beginning stands for Swedish word 'aktiebolag' meaning 'joint-stock company'. This is followed by a letter 'L' for the Finnish word 'lukko', which means lock. Finally there is OY (usually written 'Oy') which means 'osakeyhtiö', the Finnish substitution for 'joint-stock company'.
Have a nice day!
Even in the 70's we realized this was an "easy" lock type to pick - so we quickly installed a second and more advanced lock.
There's something strangely relaxing about hearing others gripe about things that bother me.
Me: "That looks too fiddly."
3:25 "It *IS* too fiddly!"
Finland represent! :D
Torille!
Most locks I have ever seen here are Abloys, they are really good and dependable locks :)
Tyrgalon
In some houses in Finland we still have these as our front door locks...
...A nice project would be to rearrange the disks to possibly adapt the lock to your key even if it would imply filing new gates.
Do an abloy sento, it is standard key type in finnish houses and it would be awesome to hear and see what you think about those.
This design is still used only in some old houses since Abloy has developed far more advanced locks already decades ago. Also today, locks use to be more or less electric and IT-based in brand new houses here in Finland. Furthermore, I have heard that thieves use crowbars rather than wasting their time for picking.
@@66Flux In larger rentals and facilities maybe, but for your standard apartment building and houses we don't really even recommend electrical locking, as it's usually just a waste of money.
Criminals in Finland made a tool for the lock in the 90's. It even gives the lock number when it pics the lock.
most things secured with a lock like that is thin sheetmetal lockers, toolboxes etc, so the metal would often give way before, or with about the same ease as this lock kan be punched. (lockers vs prybars are common enough)
How about a video explaining in detail how this now outdated Abloy lock is harder to pick - especially considering those antipick disks?
I've been waiting for a video about Abloy locks for a long time
In case you were curious: "The unique ABLOY lock and key was invented in 1907 by Emil Henriksson, an office machinery mechanic in Helsinki, Finland. While repairing a cash register, he realised that the rotating cylindrical disks of the machine were eminently suitable for use as a lock mechanism. The first locks went on sale two years later and lock production at Ab Låsfabriken - Lukkotehdas Oy began in 1918. The name 'ABLOY' is formed from the letters of this company’s name."
I think you need to change your name to The LockPicking Surgeon 😉 because you work with such precision. Lock manufacturers hate this guy, lol.
We use this in the military in Singapore!
Great. Now they have to ban all hammers.
I think I remember (or my mind might be tricking me) that I've seen such locks locking away stuff at the primary school I attended back in the day, and as a kid, I had dreamt of picking open such locks and accessing some of those teacher and staff only areas hidden behind those doors.
I'm a carpenter and I have never met a lock that couldn't be opened with a quarter inch tungsten drill bit!
I learned that if you go slow the drill bit will destroy all the pins and at some point the lock will fail and turn just from the twisting motion of the drill
requires a special tool and takes LPL a few minutes to pick it = unpickable for the rest of the world
I'm buying this lock
Late reply but a more modern abloy lock will be even safer
7 minute vid... Got excited for a second, but no, LPL destroys the lock yet again! Hahaha
Very cool lock, fast pick, well done 😉 Bravo 🍻
Great pick! As always you chewed right threw that lock.
Very cool design. How would you design it so it could not be punched? A top steel blocking end cap?
My first time seeing an Abloy lock picked. What about their latest and most secure locks, like for home and business? Could you pick one of those?
I am curious, because I have a lock like this on my van, but the end of the key has a little pin relief to prevent a tool from getting to the back 4 discs, im wondering if you have similar lock like this?
If that is an Abloy, it also has a groove on the flat side all the way on the key.
Chubbysumo - I don’t know what you are describing, but if your key can get there, a tool can get there.
@@Katzenkratscher I know this is old, but to answer your question, no, no groove. the key itself is C shaped on the end, not D shaped. the inner 1/3rd has been milled out, and the discs that match it also have a disc part sticking into the keyway preventing a D shaped key from going in. it also has a control groove on the outside of the key, a slot that only goes about 1/2 way, but also prevents a D shaped key without this groove from going all the way in.
@@chubbysumo2230
If the key is C-shaped, then it definitely has a groove. Those were a development after the classic style. The idea was that they were more difficult to reproduce with hand tools. Actually they were easier to reproduce. All you needed was a piece of brass or copper pipe. That is why Abloy developed a key with two asymmetrical grooves.
There is millions of homes still using Classic lock in finland. It is simple, but vast majority of criminals aren't this skilled that they can make a Vempele and/or use it. so basically it is safe as any other abloy locks. They smash a window anyway.
LOL! Not in Finlad. Waait! All ULKOHUUSI:S HAS ONE! Also known as "pikkula" - very impiortant places when you got to go....well ...you know! very important "recykling place!
Are you familiar with the Abloy Exec and Sento style locks? While structurally very similar to the anti-pick-improved Classic, they have a 180 degree symmetric keyway so you can insert a key either way, and there is always an open space in the center throughout the keyway.
There were also a couple different improvements that built on the Classic's D-shaped keyway with a thicker key body and longitudinal wards ("groove lock/key"). While the key diameter was larger, the wards took up space so that the lock might not have been as easy to manoeuver with the classic "vempele" pick (doohickey might be a good translation). Also you could use the same series of slant cuts on keys with different wards.