PLASTIC valves under the waterline? Are these ok for a sailboat?
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Check at 9:49 if that's the right transducer.
Seems like we got the answer to that question yesterday? ;)
Transducer failure. Nothing to do with the valves
It’s weird to watch this episode now. Feels like having „the shining“
@@TacoGrande007 He does get hot girls !
Me to?
Did he say whether a plastic unit failed? I assume it was plastic, but there was at least one metal fitting.
I hope the hot girls can swim
Well he did say when he was sinking the patrol took the girl off an left them to pump an bucket... Lol!!
I think we know the answer to this question now!!
Yep, check your speed transducer.
"Acetone ~ Don't open this with your teeth. I've been sprayed in the mouth before!" ~ James.
Truer words have never been spoken.
James getting it done, all the best for '21
Hey James,
The seawaterscoop is the wrong way around. Bulb should be facing forward.
The extra thru-hull to which you tried to fit the elbow to, I think you held that upside down. Maybe that’s why the treads of the elbow didn’t fit in all the way.
Fair winds
I understand that this can hydrolock your engine. There is a good discussion about this at Marine How to:
marinehowto.com/external-strainers-omg/ .The article is half way down the page along with about a half dozen articles on why strainers are a bad idea in the first place.
It's watching videos like this that keep me watching your channel. I like that you show the nuts and bolts and foibles.
Happy New Year James, Looks like your new dream is starting to look great. Be safe out there brother.
It’s like, you can do it, just do it. Love this spirit. Maybe not perfect, but solidly done and check the box!! Nice!!
Good trick about the hose in hot water. I use the same technique when changing hoses on my car and truck.
Godspeed James. Keep up the grind and love your dream!
Nice work; very very high value videos!
Almost skipped the great editing😇 glad I stayed, great job!,
Hey James good job We are useing the same product in two weeks, good on ya
Thank you! Great job of showing and fixing this key system in a boat! Does a typical Survey also inspect thru hull points?
James bro, your non stop really really hard work fuels my very easy 62 lone star restoration into a pirate bar. ⛵ ☠
Don't do it... it's like a one-way conversation from the future I wish you could hear me
No shit. Waiting to get an update. He predicted the future “way to snap into the 21st century”
Looking good James. Happy new years
A little trivia about Curacao , That’s where Peter Framptons famous 1954 Black Les Paul ended up after it was stolen decades ago. He got it back not too long ago actually. There’s RUclips video on the story.
Looks like you'll be able to sail very soon, best of luck!
That is an insane number of thru hulls. You've got patience, thats for sure. Thanks for sharing.
I like your name but it seems off a little
You are a talented teacher James ,Please keep the Lessons coming . Thankyou
Thank you, I will
Hey James! We love your channel. FYI...plastic through hulls will definitely crack and break in cold water.
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This is when the misuse of 5200 will rear its ugly head
@@cliffcrowley3756 please elaborate a little on that point
@@chrisscott1958 eventually they will have to be serviced or replaced and separating 5200 from the hull and cleaning the hull opening is a giant pain in the arse. It’s belt and suspenders overkill. 4200 seals just as well, is also an adhesive and is easily removable. You don’t need a super adhesive, the threads and flange on the fitting do that job. These may never have to be touched again but in other hardware applications if there is something you ever want to remove or take apart to service in the future 5200 is not the best choice.
@@cliffcrowley3756 I know many complain about 5200 being hard to remove but i have never found it too bad to deal with. I think most use it over 4200 as its more a sealant and adhesive than one or the other
@@chrisscott1958 oh it works and if you dont mind the extra work fine, use it. If a yard is replacing your thru hull you added $200 in labor :) People use them on knotmeters, tranducers, water intake grates, deck hardware etc. where it dosnt make alot of sense Owners choice.
Your channel has taken a nice turn. Congrats
I have TruDesign seacocks on my boat for 5 years now and I'm quite happy with them. I would suggest adding load bearing collars ( see trudesign website) that make whole setup stronger and as a bonus look quite good too.
TruDesign is the right choice. Keep lubricated with their lucbricant.
Brilliant valves, highly recommend
Makes a lot of sense to add the load bearing collars on a vessel this size. But I hardly imagine James will go through the hassle now...
In retrospect, maybe you should have listened to the friendly advise of your caring followers...
Great job! Looks like "fun." :)
A heat gun or blow dryer is another way to soften up the hoses. Love the valves!
Almost done James Happy New year 🎈... Take me to your boat...
Happy New Year, stay safe and healthy. And let sail agan.
Greetings from Spakenburg The Netherlands Gerben T
Good job.
The thru hull with the strainer is on backwards. Can force water into the motor facing that direction while sailing hydolocking the motor.
Confusing thought you were already in the water..... hello from Thailand.
I used the tru design collars on mine as well James. Some added sideways strength even though they are under the floorboards in an empty void.
How your words will come back to haunt him now...why did trudesign go to the trouble of making collars??? Bad idea skimping...plenty of other boats use these through hulls with absolutely no issue...why am I not surprised to find James maybe the first near sinking with these🤔
Good video James
I have had plastic seacocks on my Gibsea 312+ since it was built, and they're as good as new. I can't say the same for all the bronze valves I've seen however.
I do question the use of acetone to remove superfluous silicone based product though. Surely this would affect the integrity of the remaining sealant?
Had 23 through hulls on a Beneteau 50, three snapped of during bad weather 180 NM off of Bonaire heading to SXM at three in the morning. Bad batch that Beneteau ordered from China and fitted to boats from 2001 to 2006 we were informed by a retired dealer from California. Cumulative ingress amounted to 3 inches, thats a lot of water coming in. Replaced all though hulls back on Curacao as only marina with large enough haul out facility with. Expensive brass replacements but reassuring. Though hulls were not grounded throughout which also led to faster deterioration via electrolysis. Just checking the ball valve is working once a year doesn't mean the threads through the hull isn't cracked. Always carry wooden bungs and a rubber hammer, saved our lives and boat.
I like the beeping noises.. Raw footage is good!!
Keep on kicking ass James!!! Can’t wait to see that Oyster on the water!!! Much Respect on your mechanical knowledge of boats✌️✌️✌️✌️
Seems insane to have so many through hulls under the waterline.
Yeah , if I was in his position I'd be trying to minimise the number of underwater through holes , I'm sure there's a good reason
Yeah 16 is insane. I have 4 and debating on going down to only 2.
That's what I've been saying man. I'd be taking this opportunity to reduce down to 2 - 4.
Yes I would prefer to have one sea chest for water in for all salt water feeds and a grey tank that pumps overboard above the water or pressurized from the salt water feed to flush out overboard in a pump failiure. One place to close all the holes and you can open one at a time to find your leak, most superyachts and even cruise ships have something like this as it is far simpler to maintain but this modification would require a lot more plumbing and re-routing so would delay splash day.
And one of them failed the other day and he started sinking.
Those valves are fine !
Guys, he commented yesterday (on the sinking video) that it wasn't the Thru Hull that caused the problem, but the depth transducer!
All the while my Maxi Magic 28 having only 3 fittings to swap.. 😁
Looks good James. You working on the engine now?
I use Marlon for all my thru hulls. No issues.
Hi James
Enjoy your videos
Can you tell us.
How you found this boat
What they wanted for it
And what you endup paying for it
16 ! Thru hulls!?!?!? Wow man! Seems like a lot to keep track of if you have any leaks or issues. I’d have trouble sleeping at night.
Good luck in your new boat
I just saw a video of lightning hitting the main mast of a sailboat, is there any type of protection to prevent damage? Like grounding the mast to the keel?
instead of cutting the glue tube at an angle, cut a little Vee out of the tip, then it leaves an upright bead.... WHen I was a kid, one of the local pharmacies was selling a face cleaner that was mostly acetone... you could wash your face with soap then wipe it off with a bit of the acetone cleaner on cottonwool, and it would still come off dirty.
There should be a disclaimer on this video saying this is how not to install thruhull fittings.
Looks like many people do mount the last truhull (engine water cooling ) wrong, the bulb is forward to create underpressure to have a better flow.
It's not life changing. Good Luck and stay safe.
yep. It's going to create a head of pressure underway which could cause trouble.
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Nice intro 👌
I replaced four throughhulls with plastic ones 10 years ago now, never had an issue since, i consider them best choice all things considered. So far anyway... cheers James
They're actually high strength composite and nylon. No fissures or cracks over time. Good stuff. Marelon is the other mfg.
Peter I did actually watch the video again . It was a plastic through hole. But I'm glad I read the comments. Some are pretty rude but the one that sticks out is the water alarm bilge alarm why wasn't there one. With all the troubles you've having you've got to think safety first. I'm working on buying my own cat. I hope it works out . But anyways . I wish I was closer to you. I would help you fix it . I'm not that far away from the northwest passage. I think it's closer than where you are.
Dont buy a cat,go rescue a cat at the pet shelter you dummy.
I was talking about a catamaran not a puddy cat.
the video at 9:50 is the exact thru-hole that sheared off, causing the boat to (almost) sink, as it matches the 50 second mark on the (we're sinking vid)
I think the gray or black speed transducer just forward of that thru hull seen at 9:50 turned out to be the cause of water ingress, not the thru-hull he was filming here.
Take me with you brother 😎
Thinking about you James as the Vende Globe goes past the horn.
What an awesome race.
Like your fittings, Im doing that next time
I did mine 3 years back with US and Brit bronze, DONT use Chinese fittings as their foundries suck. People are finding they go pink in 5 years
Some of mine were over 40 years and fine, but I thought I should do them anyways.
Looking good, however you got the engine water intake grated thru hull backwards, the grates are supposed to face aft. The way you have it installed act like a scoop for debris.
Most likely for the watermaker, but regardless, they are installed with the opening forward (otherwise, an eddy/vacuum forms and water would actually be drawn out).
@@CR-eo2ts I can see how that possibly might be true, has this been tested? At what speed would this start being an issue?
Looked into it further, water intake scoop definitely should face aft.
It wasn't the through hulls that failed... it was the original log (speed sensor) that either snapped or popped out for some reason. I'm looking forward to the proper update.
This didn’t age well 😳
Turns out it was the speed log...
lol
@@nicholaskeur - yes! However there are way to many through holes in a boat that size. I mean maybe an engine raw water intake - two for the heads (maybe)... or one for the black water tank...so maybe 5 are plenty!
I am always convinced that brass is better and even them sometimes doesn't work but surely it's much better than them pvc
The last through hull at 4:10 is installed back to front , the grill ( strainer ) section of the intake should face aft , not forward . Any debris will be driven INTO the strainer while under way instead of the blank nose shedding debris from the strainer .
My thoughts too, it just looked wrong.
Ditto
That's not how they are on either of my boats. I think if you point them backwards it'll create suction under way
G'day , the best way I've found to soften hoses is a hot air gun blowing down the tube....better & quicker than hot water....cheers
@3:44 and 3:47 they need a hillside washer or an angled backing plate.
James- BCC- Hello-
Just wanted to let you know I saw your product on RUclips “Sailing Zingaro” Ive often thought about using plastic thru-hulls to eliminate problems associated with galvanic corrosion. Will definitely consider your product on my next sailboat- who is your distributor for US market? East coast?
Thank you
John Harvan
Pretty sure the bottom threads are straight to match the thru hull, and the top threads are tapered pipe threads to match the hose barb threads.
Were those marelon through hulls?
Re: Plastic fittings. Not a fan of them below the waterline, nor on the engine.
Make sure the thru-hulls are well-protected from shifting cargo, and tie an appropriately sized wood plug to each one, in case of breakage. 19 does seem a bit excessive. At some point, a sea chest makes better sense, and is certainly safer.
Full disclosure: I have 5 bronze TH's in my 32' cutter, which is about 5 too many.
These fittings are certified to ABYC H-27 standards (if you use the load bearing collars which James didn't). This means they can handle 500 pounds of load for up to 30 seconds. There aren't many through hull fittings that can actually do this. And these fittings can't dezincify.
@@rayjay1770 All well and good, but what about the handles? It's assumed these are "adequately tested" and won't break, buy (News flash!) they do.
I get the anti-corrosive appeal of plastic, but it's misguided. Plastic may not "corrode", but it does decay. UV merely accelerates the process.
And it goes without saying: A broken TH near port, is much different than one broken at sea (that you may not realize until it's too late).
Edit: Plastic TH's appeal to the cost and maintenance-adverse, and those who don't care to implement proper electrical grounding, or regularly cycle their bronze TH's.
Which is fine, so long as the compromises are well understood.
@@CR-eo2ts That fact that you think they're "plastic" tells me you know nothing.
Should've leveled with blocks fiberglassed around holes
James how come you didn't use ptfe pipe thread tape on the threads. Cheap, cheap and will never bind or corrode. Also, you'll never have an issue getting things undone or sealant ending up on the ball and seals. Just a thought buddy..Capt Kaz
teflon tape can cause plastic fittings to crack if the installer is a bit rough and uses too much tape,I would be more concerned with the valves seizing with age. Bronze valves that are used last a dam long time
16 holes in the bottom brother...I'll stick with my 3 plus a transducer, LOL...coming along, you'll be ready for sailing soon, James
Cheers
Not such a hot idea afterall.
I thought it was the SOG transducer that failed, somehow?
I would reduce those through holes though! He complained about this when he bought the boat - and that was correct. Why would Oyster put sooooo many through holes in the boat??
Half the through holes would be less money and SAFER!
It is simply more things to go wrong - any hold in any boat, under the waterline -for any reason.
Wait the min ..are these the valves that makes that boat sink?
No.
Why is this vid coming up in my feed !
Goo goo rubbing it in has face as if he ain’t kicking his own ass enough about it.
who many thruhole video are we gone see before sailing and sinking dingi again⛵⛵👊👊😂😂
That galley sink hose looks beat. I'd have a spare waiting to go on as soon as your time crunch has passed.
Materials science and chemistry marches on. Just wondering - what's the list price difference between those and full bronze setups?
Trudesign are much cheaper, and certified for under the waterline. It's really a no brainier, time to snap into the 21st century.
Brotherman.... I thought you had them all in and splashed.... windows too
Yes, boat is splashed, this is from the week before. Won't be long till I raise those SAILS!!!
Welp, still loving those fittings? Strange how this video popped up in my YT feed.....
Just checking in on this bad idea.
spyt kom altyd te laat
Those holes give me anxiety only while watching this and the boat is even still on land ...😓😓
Good Job 🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺👍
True design are the lloyds rated plastic under waterline fittings, but tbh only for non foot traffic areas, lazerettes should have bronze or dzr
Kinda spooky watching this vid having just watched the boat full of water video, which fitting let go?
None of these let go.
Which one was it that failed?
Lot of thru hulls. Amel!
TRU BLUE are great for yachts. I would be concerned about how much loose material is in your bilge. It’s likely to block your bilge pumps should you need to pump out water in the boat. Just saying.
I don't keep anything in my bilge. Personal choice.
Nice valves..just don't step on them...bests
What brand of plastic through hole did you use...?
Tru-Design made in NZ
@@Captain-Paul thank you 🙏
Why do you keep going backwards in time? I guess the editing takes time while working on the boat, but the boat was launched and the past two videos are of work before the launch. It would be nice to see some of since the launch whats up. Well and the trip on the other boat. Jus sayin Yo
He is trying to get people onto patreon for more support. If you sign up for patreon you will get timely updates.
He wants more money
He said in the launching video he wanted to jump ahead in time and show the live launch.
People, there are two types of videos on most RUclips channels, edited videos and live videos. It should go without having to be said, but here it goes anyway.........Edited videos take weeks to months to produce, live videos are (wait for it) live and in real time. Live videos are nearly always labeled as such and can be ignored if it taxes your brain to keep the timelines straight.
@@gopherguts3612 - don't we all?
If you want the higher level of contact/production, it is simple - pay for it, or do not pay for it.
Stop complaining!
5200 ? why not use 4200, also plastic under the water ? is this safe ??
Well considering the newest video... I wouldn't suggest using plastic under the waterline.
Transducer failure. Nothing to do with the valves
Just found out IT IS IN FACT NOT OK!!!!
Are the fittings you call "Bronze" (copper-tin alloy) really bronze, or are they "Naval Brass" that got lost in translation from dutch?
Brass should never be used in salt water exposure!
@@cliffcrowley3756 : There are literally hundreds of 'bass formulations, "Naval Brass" was developed to resist seawater exposure, and has been used for over a century.
@@johndavidwolf4239 how many readers here will know the difference or have availability to naval brass versus Home Depot brass? The sea floors are littered with yachts of yore with failed brass thru hull fittings. Arrrrgghhhh.
@@cliffcrowley3756 : If if looks like brass, and is sold at a 'Marine" store (at a grossly inflated price) it is most likely "Naval Brass".
@@johndavidwolf4239 There are many scholarly articles on dezincification of brass ( including 'naval brass') leading to failure. Even 'marine stores' can buy cheap 'naval brass' fittings to resell. www.cruisingworld.com/how/down-brass-tacks/
Pro tip clean the 5200 execs with little warm soapy water then no Acetone has to be used that can potentially eat a small hole.
You. Should use. Teflon tape not structural adhesive. On valve threads.
Bullshit! I'm a plumber, Teflon tape is crap on thru hull, if you put too much it can crack the fitting, too little & it'll leak! I used black Sikaflex, no worries! 👍🇦🇺
Tru design recommend a polyurethane sealant on the treads
@@craigmccredie3282 If your. A plumber and you glue. Fittings together. That explains your over priced billings and lack of intelligence Pipe thread sealer pst teflon paste is serviceable teflon tape is next best. choice Boats reguire service it never cracked any. Fitting. BEING brain dead and over tightening a fitting is the only way. It would crack .Keep working on houses. You Have no Marine skills
@@frankferris300 Yeah ok Frank, clearly you're an ignorant dickhead! We have difference in opinion and lets just leave it at that. Never said I worked on houses, owned 3 yachts now & never had a thru hull leak! U use Teflon tape on your own boat, but don't insult people you don't even know to justify your own ego!
I thought there was 17 thru holes you mentioned earlier?.......lol! ...Bet you double checked that!
unfortunately this didn't age well