The Dragon appears to be a direct competitor to the Surron Storm Bee. It is: -slightly smaller than the SB with a seat height of 900mm vs. 940mm -a lot lighter than weighing in at 100kg vs the obese SB's 127kg -more torque with 630Nm of on the rear wheel (48T) sprocket vs the SB's 520Nm of grunt -a little less battery capacity of 5.2kwh vs the SB's 5.7kwh of storage
@@MotoAlias Dragond could be a Ultra beater IF the quality is better than older Talarias and IF the parameters of the Dragon is real. But need to wait for the first tests.
@@Talaria_Guy the quality of talaria has always been excellent I own one of the first talaria Stings on the market and I've jad zero issues it's a phenomenal bike.
@@MotoAlias You are very lucky. I have two TL3000 and my bike's front DNM forks was bent and stucked within 30 miles. My girlfriend's bike's fork cracked on assembling out of box. We had to wait 3 weeks for a replacement fork for a completeley new unused bike! After warranty changer the second fork cracked too. Third piece was good, but after 60 miles, her forks are bent and stuck too like mine. And we are both using the bikes the same style. No jumps or sending. Just a normal use like in advertising. Our bikes brakes was horribly weak so it was upgraded too. Both bikes gearbox/motor is rattling. Both bikes batteries was rattilng too (fixed). The range is a quarter of the adwertisement. My bike's controller is overheating after a 1 minute uphill. (I am only 165 lbs.) So i can say, the stock TL3000 was a completely scam because i need to pay for upgrade parts about $1500 both of bikes. And i never thought i MUST replace parts because the stock parts are completely a s*it and useless. And this was not about power upgrades. We just want to use them like a new bike. So that's why I look at the Talaria with reservations...
@@Talaria_Guy the dnm forks suck and are made for a bicycle the fastace and talaria factory forks are good on the talaria. I originally got he first bike with the rst Killah forks but I knew they were trash sold them and bought fastace. Also never had overheating issues and I ride in the sand here in florida where the bike really works hard. So must've been a bad controller it happens. All that stuff should be covered in warranty tho the dnm forks were cracking and they were replacing them. I upgraded my controller to a bac8000 and the bikes a 65mph master never overheats never any issues I don't even nrake shit really granted I've replaced my bars and my skid plate and alot of basic stuff like pegs any small part you can think of.
I was gonna get an Ultra bee and missed on a deal after selling my light bee but looks like it worked out for the better. If it has all the same tuning parameters, mainly throttle and reverse, it will be my next bike. Just throw on some gummy tires and hand guards and its ready for TKO. Seen some info that it may have KYB forks which would be game changing as we could actually get proper suspension setup too.
I think if the Dragon gets a KYB forks than the price will be much more than the Ultra. Now if the specs are not fake than i think the Dragon will be $1000-1500 more than the Ultra's new price.
@@Talaria_Guy Idk how talaria does it but they pack in alot of extra for not much money if any. Look at the current price on mx4 vs light bee x, lbx costs more than the mx4 with less battery and power. That said if it came with KYB forks and the battery listed in spec sheet, then $1000-1500 more would be well worth it for 30% more battery, 2x the power(not that ultra needed more), and better forks(ultra bee forks are probably their weakest point and its been a challenge for people to actually rework them), and 21/18 wheels. Reality is the Ultra is closer to $7300 after getting a set of 21/18 wheels and still way less battery capacity.
@@mrskywalker115 I wrote this because a lot of people dreaming about the Dragon will be not cost more than $8000 or maybe less than $8000. I know plus 1500 will worth IF they make the bike with real parameters and the bike will be good as on the paper and datasheet. But we will se, just need to wait 1- 1,5 years for the Dragon to hit the market.
@@Talaria_Guy Yep, Im hoping its as good as the specs show. If it is I'll be getting one, if not I'll go for an Ultra(my original plan before this was unveiled)
Not sure how nice I want this to be. I’m building my ultra, getting a charged cycle 80v73ah soon I have a x9000 and I got the sotion UB motor fw01 pro. Dragon is going to be 88v out the gate!! Hope the discharge amps are low 😂 for my sanity
Hey thanks for the shout out! You'll enjoy one of our upcoming videos where we FINALLY have an EBMX motor in our UB and we are about to go race it in the last Grand Prix race of the year against gas bikes. The stock motor has been overheating with the 80v x9000 combo and the first 2 Grand Prix's were full of overheating but plenty of range. Excited to see how dominate this bike will be now that the overheating is solved. We'll probably run her at 20kw for the race. Can't wait! Hope to get this video out end of the month. :)
220lbs vs 185 lbs for the UltraBee, most people in the eMX market value light weight bikes over large powerful heavy bikes which is why the Storm Bee never sold. With this being the weight of a full sized gas bike IMO they missed the mark. But, we'll see after we throw a leg over it.
Definitely I would like to see how this talaria would compare to the Pro SS 2.0 2024 version for sure and cost I’m guessing that the pro SS is still going to be the best bang for your buck would definitely like to see more competitive options
this looks great. i am hoping it is a little smaller than the ultra bee. it would be great for a supermoto project. does anyone have a ultra bee blacked out with no front fender and smaller wheels? if so please put up a video of it
@@BrianLampright913 To get a real bike with reliable parts, good range, proper sized wheels, the weight needs to be that high unfortunately. Just ask KTM who has innovated the hell out of off road motorcycles. They could make them lighter but they would be having to warranty like crazy. If you ride for real, it isn't uncommon to launch your bike down a rock wall or into a stream full of rocks and most of the time, they come out unharmed. Do that to a mountain bike or a Surron/Taleria (basically a oversized MTB), the thing will be in peices.
@@midgetmoney1 definitely a good point although we've put the Ultra Bee through the ringer and it's a phenomenal bike once we add 18/21 to it at well under 200lbs. Suspension is not up to Japanese standards and I would trade weight for better boingers. I doubt the Dragon suspension will be any better since it's also China sourced (NOT KYB). But, we'll see maybe they will surprise us. Many new bikes coming in 2024, some haven't even been announced yet!
@@BrianLampright913 Yeah, it's all about trade off's. Weight for reliability and plushness. Trials bikes are very light, tough and reliable but only have 6" of travel, short wheelbase and smaller forks. I think the 200lb mark is the sweet spot. If anyone can do it, it's probably KTM. At least Talaria is putting on proper wheels, or so it seems.
The UB is incredible, get out and twist the throttle and enjoy it :) This might be a more powerful bike, but at 220lb it's as heavy as a full-sized gas bike, the thing we love about the UB is how light it is. Nobody liked the Storm Bee because of its weight. Will be interesting to see what people think of the Dragon once it arrives in a year.
@@BrianLampright913 THE Brian lampright from CCW replying back to me?! I win today, gonna be ordering 18/21 wheel set from yall shortly once I get some more side money. Thanks for what yall do for the community, Brian!!
Why do you keep doing these videos riding a Surron? I could be cleaning my hot tub and do the same exact video with the picture of Talaria dragon quit being a wanker
Sorry for being a wanker, but we only had these 4 pictures of the bike at the time of making the video. I figured people would want to look at the pictures of the new bike while speaking on it :)
This is going to be wild - Talaria's killing it
Couldn’t agree more!👌🏼🤘🏼
Yes this is what I’ve been waiting for!!
My Ultra bee will be for sale as soon as these hit the market.
Good stuff to come!
The Dragon appears to be a direct competitor to the Surron Storm Bee. It is:
-slightly smaller than the SB with a seat height of 900mm vs. 940mm
-a lot lighter than weighing in at 100kg vs the obese SB's 127kg
-more torque with 630Nm of on the rear wheel (48T) sprocket vs the SB's 520Nm of grunt
-a little less battery capacity of 5.2kwh vs the SB's 5.7kwh of storage
It's not a storm bee competition tho it's an ultra bee competition and it beats the ultra in every way
@@MotoAlias Dragond could be a Ultra beater IF the quality is better than older Talarias and IF the parameters of the Dragon is real. But need to wait for the first tests.
@@Talaria_Guy the quality of talaria has always been excellent I own one of the first talaria Stings on the market and I've jad zero issues it's a phenomenal bike.
@@MotoAlias You are very lucky. I have two TL3000 and my bike's front DNM forks was bent and stucked within 30 miles. My girlfriend's bike's fork cracked on assembling out of box. We had to wait 3 weeks for a replacement fork for a completeley new unused bike! After warranty changer the second fork cracked too. Third piece was good, but after 60 miles, her forks are bent and stuck too like mine. And we are both using the bikes the same style. No jumps or sending. Just a normal use like in advertising. Our bikes brakes was horribly weak so it was upgraded too. Both bikes gearbox/motor is rattling. Both bikes batteries was rattilng too (fixed). The range is a quarter of the adwertisement. My bike's controller is overheating after a 1 minute uphill. (I am only 165 lbs.) So i can say, the stock TL3000 was a completely scam because i need to pay for upgrade parts about $1500 both of bikes. And i never thought i MUST replace parts because the stock parts are completely a s*it and useless. And this was not about power upgrades. We just want to use them like a new bike. So that's why I look at the Talaria with reservations...
@@Talaria_Guy the dnm forks suck and are made for a bicycle the fastace and talaria factory forks are good on the talaria. I originally got he first bike with the rst Killah forks but I knew they were trash sold them and bought fastace. Also never had overheating issues and I ride in the sand here in florida where the bike really works hard. So must've been a bad controller it happens. All that stuff should be covered in warranty tho the dnm forks were cracking and they were replacing them. I upgraded my controller to a bac8000 and the bikes a 65mph master never overheats never any issues I don't even nrake shit really granted I've replaced my bars and my skid plate and alot of basic stuff like pegs any small part you can think of.
I was gonna get an Ultra bee and missed on a deal after selling my light bee but looks like it worked out for the better. If it has all the same tuning parameters, mainly throttle and reverse, it will be my next bike. Just throw on some gummy tires and hand guards and its ready for TKO. Seen some info that it may have KYB forks which would be game changing as we could actually get proper suspension setup too.
I think if the Dragon gets a KYB forks than the price will be much more than the Ultra. Now if the specs are not fake than i think the Dragon will be $1000-1500 more than the Ultra's new price.
@@Talaria_Guy Idk how talaria does it but they pack in alot of extra for not much money if any. Look at the current price on mx4 vs light bee x, lbx costs more than the mx4 with less battery and power. That said if it came with KYB forks and the battery listed in spec sheet, then $1000-1500 more would be well worth it for 30% more battery, 2x the power(not that ultra needed more), and better forks(ultra bee forks are probably their weakest point and its been a challenge for people to actually rework them), and 21/18 wheels. Reality is the Ultra is closer to $7300 after getting a set of 21/18 wheels and still way less battery capacity.
@@mrskywalker115 I wrote this because a lot of people dreaming about the Dragon will be not cost more than $8000 or maybe less than $8000. I know plus 1500 will worth IF they make the bike with real parameters and the bike will be good as on the paper and datasheet. But we will se, just need to wait 1- 1,5 years for the Dragon to hit the market.
@@Talaria_Guy Yep, Im hoping its as good as the specs show. If it is I'll be getting one, if not I'll go for an Ultra(my original plan before this was unveiled)
I can't wait
88v is insane what the hell
Right
Any word on availability and price? Was going to buy the MX4 and glad I waited.
Specifications
Vehicle Dimension
2100mm * 810mm * 1200mm
Wheelbase
1410mm
Vehicle Weight/60Ah Battery Included 74.4kg/100kg
Max. Loading Ability
150kg
Min. Ground Clearance
310mm
Seat Height
900mm
Max. Gradeability
45°
Top Speed
110km/h
Nominal Power
10KW
Peak Power
28KW
Torque on Rear Wheel
630N.m (48T Sprocket)
Battery Pack
88.8V/58.5Ah for Nominal, and 88. 8V/60. 5Ah for maximum
Range
2150Km@25Km/h
Charging Time
4h
Charger Input Voltage
AC110/230V-50/60Hz
Riding Modes
ECO/SPORT/HYPER
Wire Wheel Size
Fr.: 1.6×21; Rr.:2.15×18
Tire Size
Fr.: 2.75-21; Rr.: 90/100-18
Front Fork
Adjustable Hi-Performance Air+Spring Fork with 250mm Travel
Rear Shock Absorber
Adjustable 90mm Travel Shock absorber with Linkage
Brake Type
Hydraulic Front and Rear Disc Brakes
Primary Transmission
Gearbox
Secondary Transmission
Chain (520-102)
Dash TypeTFT
Where did you get the specs from?
Not sure how nice I want this to be. I’m building my ultra, getting a charged cycle 80v73ah soon I have a x9000 and I got the sotion UB motor fw01 pro. Dragon is going to be 88v out the gate!! Hope the discharge amps are low 😂 for my sanity
That 80 73 sounds insane 😂
Hey thanks for the shout out! You'll enjoy one of our upcoming videos where we FINALLY have an EBMX motor in our UB and we are about to go race it in the last Grand Prix race of the year against gas bikes. The stock motor has been overheating with the 80v x9000 combo and the first 2 Grand Prix's were full of overheating but plenty of range. Excited to see how dominate this bike will be now that the overheating is solved. We'll probably run her at 20kw for the race. Can't wait! Hope to get this video out end of the month. :)
18/21!!! Boo yea!
about time a bike came with 18/21!! Thanks @chargedcycleworks for showing them the way!
220lbs vs 185 lbs for the UltraBee, most people in the eMX market value light weight bikes over large powerful heavy bikes which is why the Storm Bee never sold. With this being the weight of a full sized gas bike IMO they missed the mark. But, we'll see after we throw a leg over it.
Looks like the Chinese smaller sized e-moto arms race is on!
Nice specs on paper, but wonder how it translates to real world usage
My opinion is the same!
I’d like like to see this bike vs that new Pro SS bike
Definitely I would like to see how this talaria would compare to the Pro SS 2.0 2024 version for sure and cost I’m guessing that the pro SS is still going to be the best bang for your buck would definitely like to see more competitive options
@@ghostphil69 I agree ☝🏽
I am hoping for a street legal version.
In Russia you can already pre-order this Dragon.
this looks great. i am hoping it is a little smaller than the ultra bee. it would be great for a supermoto project. does anyone have a ultra bee blacked out with no front fender and smaller wheels? if so please put up a video of it
It's bigger than the ultra. It's about 35lbs heavier. It has a bigger battery, wheels, and tires.
Top speed
Superior to the Ultra in every way.
It's 220lbs...you sure about that?
@@BrianLampright913 To get a real bike with reliable parts, good range, proper sized wheels, the weight needs to be that high unfortunately. Just ask KTM who has innovated the hell out of off road motorcycles. They could make them lighter but they would be having to warranty like crazy. If you ride for real, it isn't uncommon to launch your bike down a rock wall or into a stream full of rocks and most of the time, they come out unharmed. Do that to a mountain bike or a Surron/Taleria (basically a oversized MTB), the thing will be in peices.
@@midgetmoney1 definitely a good point although we've put the Ultra Bee through the ringer and it's a phenomenal bike once we add 18/21 to it at well under 200lbs. Suspension is not up to Japanese standards and I would trade weight for better boingers. I doubt the Dragon suspension will be any better since it's also China sourced (NOT KYB). But, we'll see maybe they will surprise us. Many new bikes coming in 2024, some haven't even been announced yet!
@@BrianLampright913 Yeah, it's all about trade off's. Weight for reliability and plushness. Trials bikes are very light, tough and reliable but only have 6" of travel, short wheelbase and smaller forks. I think the 200lb mark is the sweet spot. If anyone can do it, it's probably KTM. At least Talaria is putting on proper wheels, or so it seems.
Does anyone have any guess when this will be available to buy? How long is it usually after a reveal until release?
Luna said 1 year out for USA
surron is lagging bro
I wonder if this will be competition for the Varg. While impressive, many were dissapointed by the weight.
Absolutely cannot compete with varg no air cooled offering can compete with varg. Varg is a master piece not a toy.
Lol you gotta be kidding
@@lithiumbizkit what bike or setup that’s air cooled can do continuous 60kw without heat issues? Not peak continuous?
@@Offthevoltz i think you're reading the comment chain wrong, i'm saying there is 0 chance this bike is remotely in the same realm as a varg
@@lithiumbizkit then I absolutely read it wrong.
Is there a price point yet?
Not yet.
Dang it. Just bought an ultra bee. Just a little late.
You and I both just did dude, I feel your pain
The UB is incredible, get out and twist the throttle and enjoy it :) This might be a more powerful bike, but at 220lb it's as heavy as a full-sized gas bike, the thing we love about the UB is how light it is. Nobody liked the Storm Bee because of its weight. Will be interesting to see what people think of the Dragon once it arrives in a year.
@@BrianLampright913 THE Brian lampright from CCW replying back to me?! I win today, gonna be ordering 18/21 wheel set from yall shortly once I get some more side money. Thanks for what yall do for the community, Brian!!
@@DukeFerg LOL, Thanks for the compliments! We just love to ride and help everybody else fall in love with our passion.
I was waiting Talaria Sting 72V... Bigger size bike will be limited for usage in the city, so useless for most ppl.
$8800usd
Why do you keep doing these videos riding a Surron? I could be cleaning my hot tub and do the same exact video with the picture of Talaria dragon quit being a wanker
Sorry for being a wanker, but we only had these 4 pictures of the bike at the time of making the video. I figured people would want to look at the pictures of the new bike while speaking on it :)
nice😄