Possible Corruption in HVAC Industry?
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2024
- I know I may be opening a can of worms here but this information is intriguing enough for me to go ahead and share it anyway. I am sure that presently most HVAC manufacturers have little to do with corruption but because of the huge push for high efficiency units the chances of shady stuff happening skyrocketed! It never dawned on me like this before that anything with a programmed circuit board can be programmed to fail at a certain time. And if we add in wi-fi on top of this, that makes things even more hairy since now "remote failure" can be an option. I can totally see how some companies may be tempted to try something like that. Do we have too many ECM motors in stock? No problem. Let's orchestrate a scenario where we all the sudden get a lot of motor orders...
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as a mechanical engineer in the HVAC industry, I can assure you that the components are engineered to last up to a point. How else do these corporations continue to be in business? Big corporations dictate the design malfunction after such a time, e.g. up to warranty period. I have said this to many techs and homeowners and they look at me as if I were a conspiracy theorist. But we design products to stop working, unlike the units from the 60s and 70s. You'd be lucky to get 10-12 years on a new AC system. Thanks for sharing!
My 21 years old Whirlpool dryer stopped working for the first time last Saturday. Watched a couple You Tupe clips to see how to open the font of the dryer. I opened it and found the belt for the drum broke. It was an easy fix. I got it back working now.
Ha. Before you mentioned it, I was going to say I’ll take my 12 year old mechanical speed queen washer dryer setup any day. Purely mechanical. I’ve replaced a couple of switches but that’s really it. That’s why I’m trying my hardest to keep my two Armstrong air R22 units original to my house (1989) running. I even got a universal 608 certification so I don’t have to worry about anyone else working on them. And let’s not forget my also original peerless oil fired boiler from 89 as well. Purely mechanical and I service that thing myself. I owe it all to channels like yours- sharing your knowledge. It’s more helpful than you know! Thanks again.
Those old units like the ones you have are built like tanks! May they last you another 20 years easy!! Knowing how to fix your own units helps a lot too, kudos to you for making an effort to learn all this. I am sure you've already saved thousands.
@@WordofAdviceTV and I owe it all to a couple of people and their channels, yours being the main one. No way I would have ever been able to do any of those 30 years ago pre- internet. You are very knowledgeable, and explain things very clearly and simply. When you get tired of doing what you do now, you should become part time faculty at a school somewhere. Thanks again for saving me those thousands almost single handedly.
"I won't name the company, but on an unrelated note, there's a Carrier furnace behind me."
LOL. I would just name the company unless they send somebody out to do harm.
😂
Yeah they screwed my furnace motor up. It failed in four years!
There's a ton of repair and install HVAC companies and most are not manufacturing companies.
They all do it, every unit I worked on nowadays are like vehicles, throw a way junk
My pickup truck has manual window cranks and door locks. Basic is best. Nuff said.
Amen! That one sounds like an indestructible tank! 😄
I took a look inside a mini split unit the other day. Amazing how the control board is five times as large and twice as complicated as the boards on a 3-ton unit.
I'm 65 years old. And being around I found out everybody Lies when telling you something . Awesome stuff on this Channel 🇺🇸
Unfortunately there really is an abundance of lies and deception..
VW was caught several years ago in their emissions scandal.
The engines would bypass all exhaust standards until hooked up to a testing machine.
Car would recognize it was being tested and switch over to meep EPA guidelines then go back to polluting after testing equipment was removed.
Same can happen with anything with a circuit board 😮
Oh wow. I am surprised that a big company like that attempted to do this even though there's a good chance they would get caught. Thank you for sharing!
I have 14 and 16 SEER Carrier's builder grades in a 4 year old house. Pistons no TXV's. After 1.5 years the 16 SEER's ECM went out. It was under warranty but the labor was more than I can buy a rescue motor so I did that myself. The module was more than a motor. I also put louvered panels on my A/C closet doors for more return air.
The other night at 2am the cap went in the 14 SEER. Replaced it with an Amrad. Next night it was the fan motor. Nobody local had a 1/12 HP. I had one next day air. While in there I replaced the working contactor being it's 4 years old. I also cleaned the coil with Viper Venom while the top was off. I already replaced the cap in the other unit. The 14 SEER has a Broad Ocean ECM blower motor. I don't believe there is a rescue for that one. That motor is over $500. If I couldn't work on my own equipment my bills would be in the thousands.
Oh wow, you've had really bad luck with those! Thats a lot of problems for 4 year old units. The future looks a bit bleak. People will need to learn how to fix their own stuff like you did.
When I signed the contract (2002) for my new tract home (ranch 2240sqft). I didn’t buy central A/C, but got the specs what they would install. Cost for the A/C was $3500. With the furnace standard was a Trane 100k unit, 80%, optional was a 90%+ for $1500. I opted for the standard 80%. Once the home was built, I bought and installed a 3 ton A/C, with a packaged 3 1/2 ton (42,000 BTU) A coil, with one of my friends that had a license. Total cost for the A/C was $750 and $75 for electrical box, mounting kit, etc. total was $850. Took about 10 hours labor. Today both the furnace and A/C are operating with no problems. Neither have been repaired, but I have looked at them occasionally. I have purchased a capacitor ($10) and a contactor ($4) for the A/C condenser, just in case. I have also purchased an igniter ($15) for the furnace, just in case. I have installed an electronic air cleaner ($350) on the return line after the normal filter. Also installed humidifier (Aprilaire, $120) 🎉and UV filter ($35). Nest thermostat ($75) controls all.
PS: Comment on the Carrier units…..would never buy them, too many problems. Check some of the furnace and A/C reviews and you’ll see what I mean. Thanks!
I agree, the older washer and dryers are golden.
Yes! Glad to know others agree with me. 🙂
If I feel that a product has failed long before it should have, I jump ship to a competitor with a better reputation for quality. Gotta teach those bean counters that goodwill is a tangible asset.
It's only natural not to go with that brand again right? I agree. If something breaks fast I usually won't go buying the same brand again to give it another try.
The problem with planning to have your ECM fail is that when the homeowner replaces the furnace, they'll go with a different name brand.
It's better business-wise to have your motor never fail, because then the homeowner will want the same name brand A/C or heat pump or water heater or whatever.
Carrier's old heat exchanger issue is partially why I don't prefer to install them. Failure can't be good long term.
They...like many American businesses today, do not want to think that far ahead.
In their mind, it is about grabbing as much cash as they can...as quickly as they can.
Look at just about any other industry and the same applies. Cable television is a classic example.
The point is that the homeowner may not be ready to replace the brand, but goes and pay for motor replacement
Jay always has us covered!
I try. 😄 Though I feel a little guilty for posting this one since it's stirring up negative sentiments..
Back when they first came out with ECM motors you were supposed to be able to replace the control section for cheap if it went bad. That's what always goes bad and they don't sell them.
That would be great. There's a business in Florida, that's allthey do.Control's and ECM's. They are great but, sensitive to power surges.
You are spot on.. I have a Whirlpool Duet (Bosch )washer and dryer now going on 22 years old. Not one issue. They just don’t make products to last anymore..
Oh those are nice! You got a good set. May they last you another 22 years!
I’ve been in the HVAC Residential field as a Lead Installer for 20 years.
Every time a relative or friend ask me for a recommendation on what type of system to get, I always say get the BASIC 80% Furnace, BASIC Coil and BASIC 13 seer Condenser.
Remember that everything starts to fail at one point just like a car. The more Basic it is the easier and cheaper will be to replace. ✌🏼
There was a company called Consolidated Vacuum Corp, CVC, that made ion discharge tubes, to measure vacuum. Those tubes came with two filaments. Two for start up and one for running. One filament was lifetime warranty and one with two year warranty. So once it was running it was ok, but if the starter filament fails they would need to replace the tube.
I totally believe this. And yes the light bulbs do fail on purpose nowadays. Goes with most technology.
In my years in the trade, I discovered a weird trend. I noticed furnaces never fail in the summer and condensers never fail in the winter. Something is going on.
Love the honesty and corrupt industry knowledge. Thanks bro
This just reconfirms that I will try to keep my older appliances as long as I can.
The older stuff is usually better! I agree. 👍
I just recently sold my last laundromat having been in the business for over 30 years. I can tell you that there are washing machine computer boards out there now that don’t last 2 years. The manufacturer puts a silicone gel over all the components so you can NOT change them out. You have to buy a new board for $200-$280. Some commercial dryer boards can go up to $800. The world has become a replacement society instead of a repairable one. SAD!!!
Same with water heaters. My plumber told me to avoid buying a new one for as long as possible since the new ones are now built in China and destined to fail in under ten years.
I agree with your assessment, things just aren't built like they used to be built. More technology isn't always better.
Lennox needs monitored by the government for price gouging. Prices on some of their parts more than doubled recently and it's not COVID related. Raising prices is understandable but only so much. $3700 for a heat exchanger for a 100kbtu furnace is more than their furnace. That's nuts!
Had this not happened to me, I would not bother commenting. I have two systems that may or may or may not be the brand of topic here ;-) . I had one Motor go out and Fortunately, when my HVAC guy spoke with the warranty rep, they decided to honor warranty because it was within a day or two from having expired. Fast forward a three to four weeks later and the next one goes out. No luck the second time. This is what i experienced so take it with a grain of salt. I have not technical data only the "suspiciously coincidental timing" of the break downs. My HVAC guy also said i should go with non-variable speed motors because they have less problems. Hope than helps some of you out there.
After 35 years, the evaporator coil finally quit. Otherwise my old school single stage AC system was incredibly reliable. When I decided to replace the entire system, I knew any new system will not last 10 years. It's all part of the trend of dumbing down and designing unreliable garbage on the cheap. That's why I stayed with the least amount of "smarts" or advanced technologies. Especially in the age of preprogrammed obsolescence.
Not so much coincidence, it's all planned obsolescence. Companies don't want to make things too perfect to make bigger money selling the full appliance, same pushing to buy new cars, electronics and many more stuff. Companies don't have so much interest to repair, little money to make.
Thanks Jay for speaking out, you're a honest guy and thanks for your channel.
You bet! And thank you for stopping by and sharing your thoughts on the matter too!
Well done!
Thank you!
Absolutely right Sir thank you for sharing
You're welcome! Thank you for stopping by!
I worked in heavy equipment shop years ago (1990s) and their fleet of Ford work trucks continually needed the same parts replaced within a year because they were worn out or failed, mostly suspension and engine and it didn't matter if it was a 150F or a 450F, diesel or gas. Says something about "Ford Tough" doesn't it. The Mechanics hated Ford.
I think parts for everything are simply of worse quality overall. Laborers overseas are getting paid pennies to make a lot of this stuff so its only natural that quality will drop...
Thought I would add my favorite saying.....That's how they get ya !
If I make a video on warranties, I should use that saying once! 👍😄
Imagine that. Corruption and planned obsolescence in large industry,
Those three often come together huh?
Four yrs ago , a reputable HVAC/R company did a service call at my mother in-law's and the tech left a $1000.00 quote . The control board had a burnt place on it and I fixed it with a $3.00 solder gun & it has worked ever since ...Also obsolescence is how my boss described me before I retired Aloha my friend ... Thx
Lol!! Your boss. 😂 That's awesome that you were able to repair the control board! There are almost no techs left out there that will actually do that, the common procedure is to replace the whole board. (Unfortunately I am part of this group as well) So much respect to you good sir!! You actually repair stuff! 💪💪 Aloha from Hawaii my friend!
I had to replace a control board on my new unit every year, for a least 6 or 7 years until I changed suppliers!
Watch out for electrolytic capacitors on PCB (printed circuit board) . Those are often the ones would go bad after 7 - 10 years. I brought back to life some of those boards by just replacing those caps. One board was a transmission control board from my old 92 Honda Accord. One board was from a DVD player. One board was from a Samsung LCD TV. One was in a garage opener which had problem communicate with its remote controller.
I could not agree more with this theory , my friend has a smart home Alexa everything. And I was talking to him about servicing the boiler system and not ever 48hours later boiler quit and all it would say is service required
I 100% agree with guy you talk to
It wouldn’t surprise me if we go to subscription for all units in the future
Ugh, that would be terrible! Hopefully it never gets to that.
Some mfg is gonna' figure out how to make the old analog units efficient enough to meet Fed standards, and become a gozillionaire.
JAY, how about when the ECM motor fails after about one year? Yup, it happened to me. The motor was warranted, but the labor was $800. It took about 45 minutes for the technician to change it. A different guy wrote up the work to be done with his feet up on the dashboard of the van while he was talking to me.
I had the same issue. Got a motor on ebay ($225) and did it myself. Motor would clunk and jerk and would not spin. Took a chance and that was it. Got a spare for $120 , just in case it happens again.
@@uspatriot7484 Good find
@classic287 Oh wow.... So much for warranties... This makes me want to make another video on warranties and insurance. They seem to be pretty useless. Your experience was at the top of the list though! Thank you for sharing. Not only did they charge you an astronomical amount, they were rude to you to top it off..
👍🏻 Ya got it! Tnx for sharing!
You bet! Thanks for stopping by for the new video!
Sounds like grounds for FTC and Congressional Review.
BTW I knew a high end Manufacturing Engineer who told me years ago that companies know exactly when a product will fail. Now they “schedule” them to fail.
Kinda funny you showed my whirlpool washing machine I just bought in late December. It just went out this pass week. Bad pump…. Luckily it’s still under warranty but the warranty doesn’t last long.
Well another aspect to all this is that the overall quality of appliances dropped. Doesn't really matter what brand. Thinner metals, more plastic, more small brittle parts.
Jay, great coverage on an ongoing trend. Pretty sad that our once great country is not reporting on these trends as the consumers are being bilked out of millions. Whatever happened to our alleged government oversight on companies that are involved in these illegally practices? Is no one looking out for the good and the welfare of our citizens? Truly a sad time!
If this is really being done it would probably be pretty hard to track it down unless some whistleblowers surface.
I did a service call last week 20 year old Trane variable speed Module went out, it was original, she said it’s the first time for a service call and the condenser still has the original capacitor and contactor
I have the same type. Good idea to replace the cap b4 the summer. Replaced mine 5 years ago, it was a really hot day, was emergency.
-- The term is: Planned obsolescence.
I replaced my Rooftop AC unit after +25 years. The new one, Rheem, has had already several issues. Replaced both capacitors and had a defective evaporator coil. It has the warranty. But I have to pay for the labor. At this point I regret the fact that bought the unit. The AC tech, told me. Maybe in a year or two, I'll have to replace the Condenser fan motor. What a ripoff!
Yeah that sounds terrible.. Sorry to hear about the new A/C troubles but thank you for sharing your experience!
Its nothing really new. It's been done for years, it's just that manufactures are getting better at designing a certain life span into their products. They can only go so far because of " implied warranty of merchantability". This means goods sold will do what they are supposed to do and that there is nothing significantly wrong with them for a period of time.
Great explanation! Thank you for clarifying.
Thanks. Could you let us in on how they do this? I would appreciate that.
I've never tried designing or programming control boards so I wouldn't be able to explain this. I'm sure its a future possibility but as of now I don't believe companies are brazenly doing that yet.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory but could say the same for almost every appliance, especially ones connected to wifi or getting updates like you mentioned. I thought amazon did the same thing to my amazon tv
I’ve always said the same thing. It sucks
NOTHING is designed to last forever because the manufacturing cost would be extremely high. Anyone who did design their products to last forever would soon go out of business. What I find more important is how the length of manufacturer warranties is shrinking. Short warranties and excessive repair costs drive people to spend way too much on so-called extended warranties (service contracts), or to just replace the product often.
It’s called “planned obsolescence” in the industry.
Not being a season technician however I notice similar situations with motors and circuit boards This sales rep carries a lot Credibility.
Oh! you just told the whole world the secret of every manufacturer😂
Hey, do you have a video of how to diagnose the problem when the condenser unit isn't getting any power to the contactor? I searched your channel but perhaps I didn't search the right thing. The switch thing in the box (can't remember what it is called) was in, and the breakers were on. But it wasn't coming on, even when I manually turned the fan blade. Previous test showed the capacitor was bad, so I replaced it, and now it test good. Then I did a test that showed the contactor wasn't working right, so I replaced that too. At that time my multimeter was reading 240 coming to the unit so it was getting power, as well as the 24 volts from the thermostat, it just wasn't going out the other side of the contactor when the plunger pulled in. After replacing the contactor now there is no power going to the contactor. In stead of 240 volts (I think it is) my multimeter says 0 volts. I even tried pulling that switch in the box and putting it back in, as well as flipping the breakers off and back on. Still no power going to the Condenser unit. Do you have a video to diagnose this?
It's what happens when consumer protection agencies are weakened.
At my work the motor fails after 3 years and they are manufactured by carrier companies. They don’t warranty it.
Lets say in 10 years time, a particular brand has a problem like that, the service techs will point it out. They'll talk and installer will prefer not to put in those units.
If the engineers come forward and admit to intentionally designing systems to fail, that's easily a massive lawsuit.
That's logical thinking but unfortunately not all people think that far ahead..
I own a Carrier heat pump with a gas furnace backup. The setup is 17 years old and I'm the 2nd owner. I recently had the ECM blower motor in the furnace quit. I paid $800 for a replacement from an online wholesaler- saving retail markup of $400 and labor. While changing the motors, I noticed that the old one had a label that indicated that it was not a factory part. This tells me that this furnace will have the third motor in 17 years. Hmm. After replacing the motor, I found out there may have been a cheap fix. Sure enough, a thermistor in these motors fails and costs $5 to purchase mail order. I did buy a new one and soldered it in. Blamo! Now I've got a replacement for the next time. I wish I knew of the fix at the time I paid $800 for the new motor. Great content here, thanks.
Thank you for sharing that! I've replaced a few of those thermistors before too, it sure beats replacing the whole motor!
"The Waste Makers", Vance Packard 1967
That's the first book that really dove into this topic right? Might be a good read, thank you!
2006 tempstar psc blower motor still work good just replace capacitor still work good mr jay love ur video
Nothing sure isn't built like it use to you are super correct jay. The old washer and dryers you can work on but these new ones with the computer boards in them when they go then thats all she wrote.. my uncle is back from the hospital now and he is doing pretty good I don't know how because he signed himself out of the hospital against the doctor advice i figured he would be right back in their in a few days but he is still improving. I just got home from doing some shopping. I went to my local advance auto store to get some new windshield wiper blades for my truck and they wanted twenty five dollars a piece for cheap ones and I said noway and I drove to the next city and I got a really good brand at Ollies for only less than eight bucks for both blades so i just bought a set for my work truck also. It is cold 🥶 here right now we are going through redbud winter the next one will be dogwood winter that is when they are in full bloom just like now with the redbuds and then after dogwood we have blackberry winter and then snowball winter..I love the cold weather i can't take heat i never could. Tell everyone I said hello 👋 good buddy and much love ❤️ jay.
Aloha David!! Good to hear from you and that's great news that your uncle is feeling better! I may be wrong but it seems like people feel better faster when they are out of the hospital. Perhaps that was the case for your uncle as well. And oh boy, it sounds like the trend of everything getting more expensive and less durable hasn't even spared the windshield wipers! Thank you for sharing the experience. May your summer be nice and cool for you this year! Greetings from Hawaii my friend!! God bless you and yours!
@@WordofAdviceTV thanks buddy well since I wrote this my uncle is back in the hospital as of four this morning he called his son who lives next to him and said he couldn't breathe and they took him by ambulance to the hospital and they said he has pneumonia in one lung and I talked to him earlier and he said he was feeling better they have him on iv antibiotics and giving him breathing treatments to help break it up I'd say that he got it from laying down so much and not moving around..hope you all are doing well jay..I'm sitting here by the fireplace thinking about stuff..in the morning Bigfoot will be gone for 3 years it doesn't seem possible and now my Arnold is gone and he has been gone for fifteen months.
@@davidmckinney6577 Time goes by swiftly doesn't it..? Cant believe its already been 3 years since Bigfoot died. Sorry to hear about your uncle! He is already back in the hospital again, wow. I prayed for him just now. May the Lord bless him and be with him during this time.
Questions, how much is to replace those motor that failed? Or will we need to replace the whole unit?
The variable speed motors usually end up costing upwards of $1,000..
These HVAC manufacturers are as bad as Apple
And car salesmen
@brianjohnson820 Hopefully some of them aren't 😅
It always is i have to let our Corporate know every time a unit freeze up Hvac company is going to say replace the unit. There's holes in the coils, most of them are trying to save time and trying to sell a new unit.
I have noticed that the new coils seem to start leaking a lot faster as well. Not sure if it's because the metal on them is thinner or because the new refrigerants use higher pressure..
Do uv lights keep your air handler clean ?
Like your videos! Don't doubt the story for a minute. Not just HVAC items . In 2020 Apple has begun making payments in a long-running class action lawsuit over claims it deliberately slowed down certain iPhones in the US.
A lot of concealed things going on behind the scenes for sure!
Thank you. Sad news. Show us how to replace control boards if you haven't done so already.
Luckily the boards are pretty easy to replace so if it comes down to it, most people can do it.
I’m fairly new to your channel and I’m almost a year into my career working for an hvac supply store. I’d like to know your opinion on the new transition to 454B next year??
😮😮 this is big news jay! Government should get involved..
There you go! That is the answer. Government should take charge since they do things efficiently and economically.
@JohnDoe-ej1lw Oh boy.. I don't know if that would make things better or worse...
@@WordofAdviceTVdon't worry the government is 100% perfect in my eyes making whatever problems they are going to fix 100% worse
They are doing it for years. I had this samsung washing machine which after 3 years just died. I checked everything inside and it was fine no mechanical failures or anything electrical. Then there was this control board which had 2 microcontrollers on it. I checked them it seems like they just erased or corrupted themselves after some timer was up. Probably washing cycles or whatever. I ended up throwing it away as the board was too expensive and bought a used siemens from the 90s.
Thank you for sharing your experience with the washer! I wouldn't be surprised if they were made to burn out rather quickly as you described. I love how you rebelled against the system and bought an old unit instead of buying a new Samsung.
@@WordofAdviceTV There are actually universal control boards for washers as well you can buy from china there are people in africa and some other poorer countries who use them to fix unfixable washing machines. i think there are some for air con and fridges as well
Yep. Safety sensors like fire, smoke, carbon monoxide detectors have a life span programmed into the circuit board whereas they will constantly beep when their life span has expired. No doubt other manufacturers are programming their products to fail!
Ah I forgot about those. Thank you for the good example!
@@WordofAdviceTV Hmmm….Just yesterday, I had two of those 110 volt, socket screw in, led lights with blades….suitable for garage or workshop, fail at pretty much the same time. I have 3 more in the same area?? See if they all of a sudden burn out? 😂😂😂. I’m sure they must have a simple circuit board in there somewhere?? 😀😀. When I noticed..reminded me of your video.
with incandescent bulbs, lifespan is increased at the price of efficiency. technology connections did a video on this.
More tech in our products, more problems, and planned obsolescence. Good luck to the future of society trying to save for their futures, when they constantly have to buy big ticket items every few years…. It’s becoming a huge issue.
It really is. A mess that is getting messier.
There’s no doubt that companies are not in the business of making equipment that never fails.
What you describe is in fact poor design the industries dependence on complex circuit boards mounted outside inside units that experience freezing cold and super heat is absolutely ridiculous.
In the simplest unitsthe fact that the industry can’t even come up with a no fail start capacitor just shows how disinterested they are providing failproof designs.
They have shown that they are in the business of churning out new equipment that last for the shortest amount of time they can get away with
You explained it very well! Thank you for the thorough breakdown of what our current manufacturing state is like.
Is that motor on the condenser unit or on the evaporator or both?
It can be in both.
That's Capatalism for you, anything in the name of profit. Since you're in Hawaii these days I'll point out that the once beloved Scott's slippers that used to sell for 20 buck and were so durable I could take them on off trail hiking up mountains, now a days they are 50 bucks and are no longer durable. The glue fails and the top sole wears down faster.
Oh man! Not even the slippers were spared. 😬
@@WordofAdviceTVUsually when one company goes greedy after they've gotten big enough a smaller company will come along and take over the quality products division, but eventually they can get big enough to be bought or big enough to go the greed route too and the cycle continues with a new smaller company taking over the quality products division.
Fact! My ECM motor failed within weeks after the warranty expired. I've said the same thing about car warranties. Parts are programmed to fail. Most electrical parts are tied to the cars computer so who's to say the parts aren't "spiked" over time to eventually fail.
Yup! Maybe its not widespread but I definitely agree that the potential for something like this is increasing over the years.
My central AC works good but when it's not running it continues to buzz like it's a transformer in the furnace at the A coil if it did it last year it wasn't as bad now it seems to be making the ductwork vibrate
Every thing is a a scam today.
It does seem like scams are on the rise...
That's why I never connect my new TV to wifi, they keep asking me and I gust won't.
Hello,every industry does this, our economy depends on it, most everything is designed to last about 7 years, depends on appliance
Yeah, I read an article about this. During the Great Depression planned obsolescence was used to help the economy recover. I guess originally they had good intentions but greed always takes things to the extreme..
I think just about anything we buy these days is made to fail/break to line greedy corporate pockets. The landfills will be stretching at their seams. Greed has gone to seed.
Yeah, there will have to be a massive crash eventually. Things can't keep going at this pace for too long.
How does the ECM motor keep track of time?
One cheap 555 timer ic chip on the circuit board, would be one way
Everything is made cheaper and cost more. The consumer gets screwed like always
You can replace the battery in your cellphone, it's just more of a challenge. There are businesses which will replace the battery for you.
Boeing has shown us the rot within corporations. It is no longer (hasn't been for a while) about making a product. it is only about making the line go up each day, week, quarter, year. So the ability, if true, to get a motor to fail just past the warranty period is kind of impressive, but not at all surprising.
Yeah, I was saying this is becoming a possibility, not that it really is already happening. Time will tell i suppose.
This isn’t really breaking news. Companies are now more focused on revenue than quality product. Bottom line is king and quality is the red headed step child.
Many,Many (PRINTERS) are programmed to do such as well. End of life,set for so many pages printed. It's ridiculous.
YES! I heard about the printers too. Crazy stuff. Thank you for mentioning it!
Indeed...Even the cartages have (Chips) in them.Death Chips ECT. So, scandalous. Hp has had law suits against them for that crap. But it still continues.
Is called engineered to failure. A scheme to sell more parts. Just ask apple how that worked out.
Car batteries seem to be the same way. About 2 months after a 5 year battery expires they seem to fail. You turn it in for as a core. They take the guts out wash it and put it in a new case put a new sticker on it and some electro-lite food
Even if they don't do it on purpose, it's still pretty impressive how they fail so close to the warranty... My guess is that they are designed with a particular lifespan in mind. They could definitely make it more durable if they wanted to.
Refrigerators go every 2 years now.
Thats terrible...
I'm starting to shop at resale shops just to find things that work and will last.
Parts for older units are often no longer available so those resale shops would be the best bet.
I'm curious how you got 87,750. 24hrs x 365 x 10 is 87,600. Even with 2 leap years, that's only 87,648. Where do the other 102 come from? Is that a safety cushion, like superheat?
Lol I love how you compared it to superheat. Yes, actually my intention in the thumbnail was precisely that. It would be bad if the part or unit failed before the warranty expired or too close to it so it's best to add in a cushion. 😇 As for why I chose to add that particular number, I did not have any profound reason. That part was a random insert.
I think you may be right. In automotive, car and parts companies formulate their silicon seals to various degrees to only last for so long to get the repair job. Always get Viton rubber gaskets, they are designed to last the longest, but companies rarely promote or install them due to less planned obsolesce.
Thank you for the heads up! Will be looking out for the Viton gaskets then.
10 years is not too bad have you seen inside the furnaces when they are too old also the ducts ? That’s life saving a lot of people never ever service their ac
Thank you for providing the positive side of this as well.
Not surprising to me at all. In my opinion, they are just stealing from HP's (printer) play book. Can you say "class action lawsuit"?
Maybe some day! Time will tell..
I can’t comment on the WiFi conspiracy , but I am aware that the term “ furnace manufacturers “ is a misnomer. They are furnace assemblers. The parts are sourced from numerous subs in several or more countries. I wonder if they even make the nameplates (probably not!). My ECM went after four years, replaced under warranty ( labor not included). They even make the ECM module so you can’t replace the thermistor without a ton of effort. So much for a sustainable society. Even the EVs are starting to hit the scrap yards.
Thank you for clarifying and explaining all that. Much appreciated! Sorry to hear about the ECM motor not getting even close to the 10 years. The labor not included part sometimes costs just as much as the motor..
@@WordofAdviceTV I did write to Rheem and asked if they knew why it may have failed prematurely. Defensive response that they don’t pay for replacement labor, but I didn’t ask for that. The older ECM modules can be replaced by some aftermarket units , but the newer furnaces require new motor plus ECM module. Not in the business, but the DC fan motors are usually pretty indestructible. They do make an aftermarket surge protection “connector module” for the ECM but the reviews seem mixed. Would love to see nationwide cumulative stats on part by part failures, but I won’t hold my breath.
I would to turn the power off to my unit. Pull my blower out. Take a picture of the wiring. Then take the E.c.m module out. ( easy to take apart from the actual motor) accidentally drop it in water. Or accidentally break an electrical component inside. Put everything back exactly how i found it. Call my local dealer, and have it warrantied at year 9. I would do it around the nicer seasons when im not using my unit as much. I would also do it to my board.
Oh wow, that's a clever way to fight back. Never heard this one before. 😅 Thank you for sharing!
Sorry...two wrongs don't make a right..... this is immoral and illegal. I'm sure I'll get pushback on this sentiment but it is correct nonetheless.
Just look at what the pharmaceutical industry is. If you don't know...wake up