There is something special happening when the 3 of them are on screen at the same time. OLF never took off, but than again it feels more special to us who are fans.
Hey, guys. Sooo damned good to see you again. Ben, your debunking is AWESOME. Joe, your stuff has been really satisfying. Tim.. thank you for still live streaming the launches. I really prefer your coverage.
Correction at 1:02:40, it's more like 52% of car sold in China are either plug in hybrids or fully electric. Fully electric are 31%. This is for November 2024. According to the good people at Clean Technica!
At 1:18:40 I'm totally on board with the CyberTruck being used to PROJECT by outsiders some identity politics.... But I don't think most owners are the source of that. I have one, it's awesome, and has absolutely nothing to do with wanting attention or me projecting my anything, beyond I like funny refrigerator magnets... I totally get the looks aren't for everyone, but that could be true for any car. The technology is amazing, quiet smooth ride, quick as heck, handling like a go cart, I did 350kW charging recently so a big battery doesn't matter as much, tows like there nothing there effortlessly... FSD 13 is epic... Makes 2000 mile road trips like a dream. Ps. It's awesome to see all three of you again, love the annual show...
1:13 Intro Title 3:42 Ben Sullins catch up 6:42 Joe Scott catch up 16:22 Tim Dodds catch up. 22:12 New Glenn rocket debut launch. 24:11 Aborted Super Heavy booster catch/ next orbital launch - early Jan 51:45 DebunkBot 56:34 EVs 1:13:47 Biggest things in 2024 1:17:42 Cybertruck / Tesla / Self-Driving Cars
Ben is clearly not being truthful here. GM's Silverado EV is a prime example of greenwashing, where the company promotes its electric vehicles to appear environmentally conscious, despite not producing them in sufficient quantities. Meanwhile, GM continues to manufacture large, climate-damaging gas or Diesel powered SUVs, using the profits from these to offset the losses from their EV division. Their claims about their EV strategy are increasingly dubious. Rivian, on the other hand, is also problematic; they produce vehicles at a significant financial loss and are unlikely to replicate Tesla's success. Tesla is now mass-producing the Cybertruck profitably. Moreover, Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) version 13 has seen substantial improvements, yet critics like Ben, who haven't even experienced it, keep disparaging it. This kind of uninformed criticism is baffling.
He's like that about lots of things, Bay Area schools are closing for lack of students, sure there's still traffic and lines, but somethings gone wrong.
Yooo awesome to see you guys here! Been watching SciManDan for years and it’s kick ass that he played a roll in some inspiration. Great guy. He’d be a cool guest 😏
I’ve been watching OLF since before Covid, and still love the chill factor and all the info I’m interested in. Thank you guys. Do it a couple more times a year:)
yay!!!! Big thanks to Ben, Joe and Tim! Thanks for putting the time aside to do this add some simple normality to our media adhd hype crisis😁 Thanks lots! i found ya 3 at the perfect time. Was great to spend some time learning about the electric movement from Ben and on hand no bull no hyped honest data! The endless subjects of Joe! and Tim to have the strangest happenings with the media refusing to professionally report on SpaceX leaving this strange space where we people got to build up our own media. For Tims unexpected journey which got me into youtube, I'm a New Zealand 9-5er who's crazy brother casually has his afterwork whiskey on the nasa launchpad. Was so good to nerd out on star hopper, see everything in crazy detail and feel closer to whats going on in Texas. Wish i could've be there! thanks again to all 3 of you for all your down to earth contributions!
It is so good to see you guys together! Thanks for the updates. China openly said 20 years ago that they wanted to control the market for rare earth materials, batteries...and for the last 10 years, EVs. The trouble with the U.S. stopping EV subsidies, and instituting tariffs is that China's established EV market, mining, and R&D work will only create MORE of an advantage for them if the U.S. backs off of supporting EVs, and it does not innovate and compete. The Japanese did this successfully in the 80's, 90's, up until recent years. They built economical, leaner, more reliable and better built vehicles and they took 25-40%+ of the American automotive market...which the U.S. never got back. Leaving us to build and sell mostly pickups and SUVs.
The EV industry isn't progressing as expected due to one simple thing, the batteries are not fit for purpose. Whatever anyones opinion is on EVs, the batteries need to be smaller, lighter and capable of being extinguished in the event of a fire. Because of the batteries, the EV second hand market is worthless, cars depreciate at an alarming rate, multi storey car parks are beginning to ban EVs due to fire (see the Luton airport incident). Racetracks are begining to ban EVs due to fire risk, motorsport is removing hybrid systems due to complexity, cost and fire risk (see the BTCC and WRC) Car repair shops are refusing to deal with EVs with damaged battery packs due to the risk of fire. Opinion or ideology mean nothing when reality decides. The reality is, we need better batteries or EVs are not fit for purpose.
@@JamesCairney I agree with the "batteries need to be smaller, lighter and capable of being extinguished in the event of a fire." However, a DIESEL Range rover starting a fire in Luton airport so we should ban EVs as fire hazards goes totally opposite of your statement "Opinion or ideology mean nothing when reality decides." Even the fire department concluded that the problem with that fire is the lack of firefighting equipment (esp. sprinklers) in the building. It's pretty much only anti-EV groups that say it's an EV that caused that fire. Weirdly enough, a lot of headlines that time say "Battery short causes fire" when they fully know it's a battery in a diesel vehicle that caused the fire. This is pretty much the same as that Kia 3.3M park outside recall for a battery fire igniting flammables in the cars got way totally overblown as "EVs are dangerous" when all of the vehicles recalled or non-EVs! "Opinion or ideology mean nothing when reality decides" my ass! 🤣🤣 Happy new year! Watch for EVs exploding in the sky. There will be a lot of them!
@fcgHenden you seem absolutely politically captured. Nevermind. You'll notice the only thing I said was "we need better batteries" and you have assumed that I am some EV hating reality denier. We need better batteries. The Luton Airport fire was uncontrollable due to EV battery fires. EVs are being banned from places. Motorsport is turning away from hybrids. The batteries need to improve. If EVs are to be the future, we need better batteries. Why does this send people mental, like you? Apparently I think that EVs all explode everywhere? What are you talking about? It isn't possible to extinguish an EV fire, this is a major problem that has to be solved. Why deny it?
@@fcgHenden it was nice that you agreed with the only point I made then made out like I was some nutter that thinks that all EVs explode, even though you agree with my point. Nice.
@@JamesCairney That is a truly funny position to take, based on lies and mis-information. Gas vehicles are more than 10 times more likely to catch fire than EVs. In reality EVs are far safer than gas powered vehicles. Saying that EVs are not fit for purpose exposes the fact that you clearly have never owned an EV, and have based your mistaken opinions on lies and half-truths. If you actually had owned an EV you would know that they are much cheaper to own and drive over time than a comparable gas vehicle. EVs are not a perfect fit for everyone, but for those people whose needs match EV's broad capabilities, they are objectively better.
1:33:00 Tesla switched their focus from 'EVs sold' to real-world AI (driving and robotics) because they see success there as the fastest way to achieve the transition to an electric world, drastically reducing fossile fuel use. It's not "just a money grab" or a distraction from "the mission." They see it as a better, more efficient strategy.
What I would really like (and have been considering doing myself) is taking the footage/photos from the Apollo landings and using 3D reconstruction on them (like Gaussian Splatting) so we can see the landing sites in 3D
Can’t wait for that video Joe! I’m so jealous that you have a piece of that 4 billion yr old rock outcrop from Canada! And jealous of what you got to do in Hawaii. So excited for that!
Nice to see you guys chatting with each other. When it comes to video duration, shorts are a pain but over an hour and I am reluctant to watch it. It had better be a really interesting subject. My preference is for between 8 and 15 minutes.
Thanks guys for doing this episode. I ❤wish you’d get together quarterly but I know you’re busy and this isn’t very monetized for you. You kept me sane during the pandemic. When Tim speaks to Elon again, please push more FLIR cameras on Falcon, Starship, and Tesla vehicles!
Hey guys, love all your channels big fan. I remember when Ben said, full self driving is way way off in the future. I guess he was correct but it’s here now. If you haven’t driven a Tesla with hardware for And version 13.2.2 then you just don’t know. I have it in my cyber truck which almost everybody thinks is cool as hell. Four-wheel steering automatic, right height, full pick up truck bed. I love it.
“That’s true of all technologies” - Joe Amazon, Google, Facebook, Tesla, Apple, the iPhone, these are not advances of gov tech SpaceX - supported by gov, but their architecture and design was laughed at by the gov.
goddam I miss you guys together, I have followed you all individually for ever and love all that you do but I sure do miss you guys sparking ofov each other......once a year is better than nothing!!! love you guys XX
Ben is a bit delusional, like how can you trust any information coming from China. They are ahead compare to the traditional brands, but you have to remember they subsidised the market and the Germans found out that many of the net zero projects they have invested in China is scam.
Great shame we no longer have the large cross English Channel passenger AND car carrying hovercrafts. I know some military have some big ones, but dont think there's any large civilian ones in use?
In a good way or bad way? He seems the same to me. Still very focused on himself. Still antagonistically anti-Tesla. Seems data-first, but still emotional and opinionated in his presentation.
I think the world is what’s changed, Ben is probably pretty similar. A few years ago Tesla, Elon, all three of these guys, ‘intelligent thought’ all pointed in the same direction. But now the world is more complicated. I see Tim, and occasionally Joe break away from the media headline bound ‘intelligent thought’ and use common sense. But Ben doesn’t seem to be able to do that. When the New York Times is blatantly lying almost daily it’s a super confusing world to navigate as there’s no agreed on truth or trustworthy source. It’s not good. Be kind to Ben, he’s just trying to work it out like we are.
The biggest problem with the argument of insurance:1:31:30 is that it's cheaper to get an affordable car and insure it than to get an expensive car and insure it with self-drive. I can pay for my car with how much I save on insurance in the life span of my car by getting an older cheaper car.
I don't think self driving has a connection to sustainability, if all of the cars would be self driving it would just be more efficient use of the roads, but sustainability has more to do with production and powering those cars, right?
Less cars are needed if cars drive themselves. Each car does more driving. Therefore, this is more efficient, hence more sustainable. Tesla has stated this since the start of its self driving mission.
1:29:55 You mixed up expenses somewhere in translation. Perhaps you understood the 70% increase in insurance costs in California as the actual percentage of expenses. Who knows. Of the fare paid to Uber 70% is paid to the driver, which is allocated to net income, fuel, maintenance, and depreciation of the vehicle. Of the remainder nowhere near 70% is paid to insurance. It is not an inconsequential expense to Uber, and it is growing, but it’s not 70% of expenses. In terms of autonomous taxi expenses the largest expense is the driver, followed by fuel costs and then probably a toss up between depreciation of the vehicle and insurance costs. Perhaps general maintenance. For an EV it’s absolutely driver first and foremost, and then potentially insurance becomes the second largest expense.
I feel like debunking is not enough - these people are engaging in storytelling, and you can't debunk a story. You have to deconstruct their framing story, and sometimes their framing story is partially correct - large organizations ARE unaccountable for instance. Members of the US government may or may not have been involved in >, but members of the US govt have been involved in {{ some very bad events }}. The framing story isn't completely wrong. The conclusions and details of the story in question have very low basis in fact, but are highly satisfying. This is why I like the term Low Information High Satisfaction Theory better than Conspiracy Theory.
First of all, I’m not a Democrat or a Republican. I have to say that Ben‘s insistence on leaning into politics is what turned me from his channel. He just sounds like another Californian Herring the political views of his state.
Oh man, I miss OLF. Briefly met you guys at the live event in San Diego. Would love to grab a coffee or something with those of you who are going to be at the next Starship launch. It’d probably be a road trip with my mom @cybergranny, so whoever hasn’t ridden in a Cybertruck would be welcome to.
1:30:00 This is why Tesla went into insurance business. None of you brought it up. But they'll insure their own robotaxis. So the cost becomes irrelevant.
You guys are good together. I like that Ben might finally be getting it about his messages he’s putting out. Some people, like me, are late bloomers. I will take a yearly OLF podcast over nothing!
TESLA have pushed Battery Storage and it is growing faster than anything else they do and will be for a few years. The other thing to see is as companies get bigger they do change and become more like other auto makers.
@1:01:00 People who spend high 6 to 7 digits on a super/hyper car are after the experience of being around something special, the sound, the drama. Now that we have family sedans doing 0-60 in 2sec that's not a metric that counts anymore. A Rimac is fundamentally very similar to a Model S. We see that reflected in the huge depreciation of hybrid/ev supercars including even from Ferrari. Such collector cars are mostly kept around and not used up and disposed of like others so there's worry for future support and maintenance of those batteries and hybrid systems. In some way it is like the smart vs mechanical watch world, no matter how much bling bling you put on an apple watch it'll never be as special as a beautifully made automatic movement. We see it now car collectors appreciating NA engines, manual transmissions, low weight. Making an EV hypercar is a good way to go out of business, people who just want the speed would save themselves the money and buy a Plaid. Not sure it has any environmental merits either, since this is such a small portion of cars that hardly get driven anyway, so you use up a lot of resources to make a gigantic battery that'll mostly sit and degrade until it has to be replaced in 15-20yrs.
If we could get a “Our Truly Ludicrous Future” channel/podcast with just Tim Dodd and Joe Scott it would instantly be my most immediately listened to upon release. I crave the smart logical positivity they provide in spades. Not sure what happened to Ben Sullins though, but geez it’s disappointing. I’ll tune into any future episodes of this if there are any just for Tim & Joe though.
Ah, the good old days of lockdown, hyping about electric cars and rockets while trying to forget the zombie apocalypse outside and windexing bananas. Thanks guys.
Ben truly brought down this podcast with his truly confusing, and silly points. He seemed to be there just to come up with moronic takes about future technology.
@@ljviks22Tesla never used LiDAR, it was a radar system, but point taken. Instead of radar or LiDAR I wish they’d try using FLIR - Forward Looking Infrared. This tech is less expensive than LiDAR and creates fewer artifacts. Plus it would be reasonably compatible with the vision system currently in use. This is also what Sandy Monroe was pushing a while ago. I think it’s really amazing what they’ve done with FSB, so far. We have M3 (HW version 2) and it performs really well. With HW v4, I have high expectations.
@@ljviks22just for your awareness... and maybe complete rethink of your argument... a) Tesla has never used LIDAR and b) LIDAR also gets blocked by heavy rain/fog
@@ljviks22Tesla has never used LiDAR in their deployed model, it is used for validation and LiDAR does not mitigate interference from rain, fog, snow, or dirt. What LiDAR does is give an accurate depiction of the shape of an object so that you know that a Semi trailer is a semi trailer, which FSD has absolutely no problem with anymore. It also helps with low light situations, because it emits its own light to read its surroundings. Really doubt you actually have the software or any working knowledge of how it works and you’re just a person that claims you do to gain validity to your criticisms. Criticisms that you stole from someone else, who stole from someone else, who stole from someone else tracing back to someone who might actually have some technical understanding of the problem but their knowledge was lost in translation, because what you posted is absolute nonsense-sense.
Australia has no car industry so it is an open market place for all comers without any govt interventions. The Electric Viking (RUclips) yesterday listed 64 new EV models entering our market in 2025.
I think FSD was badly named and should not have been sold as it was, but I do feel that itis getting better fast and faster so I'm not sure it will be a 2025 thing but I do feel sure that we will see 2026 were it will be better than a human driver!
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Watching this from McMurdo Station Antarctica, 2024 was a Amazing Year!
How's the Icecube doing? Any new amazingness?
Happy New Year down there!
Are you using starlink? If so, how does it perform over there?
Man, I never noticed how much optimism you guys injected into my life until this little reunion. You guys rule!
I have SO many memories of listening to OLF! I wish we could get at least one episode a month!
I’m glad we still get these occasional episodes
There is something special happening when the 3 of them are on screen at the same time. OLF never took off, but than again it feels more special to us who are fans.
I attribute it to podcast oversaturation. Everyone had to have a podcast with 3 hour long episodes. There's only so much time in a listener's day.
I used to watch you guys every week in the UK. Great to see you all albeit for a once a year gig
Hey, guys. Sooo damned good to see you again.
Ben, your debunking is AWESOME.
Joe, your stuff has been really satisfying.
Tim.. thank you for still live streaming the launches. I really prefer your coverage.
Correction at 1:02:40, it's more like 52% of car sold in China are either plug in hybrids or fully electric. Fully electric are 31%. This is for November 2024. According to the good people at Clean Technica!
At 1:18:40 I'm totally on board with the CyberTruck being used to PROJECT by outsiders some identity politics.... But I don't think most owners are the source of that.
I have one, it's awesome, and has absolutely nothing to do with wanting attention or me projecting my anything, beyond I like funny refrigerator magnets...
I totally get the looks aren't for everyone, but that could be true for any car.
The technology is amazing, quiet smooth ride, quick as heck, handling like a go cart, I did 350kW charging recently so a big battery doesn't matter as much, tows like there nothing there effortlessly... FSD 13 is epic... Makes 2000 mile road trips like a dream.
Ps. It's awesome to see all three of you again, love the annual show...
1:13 Intro Title
3:42 Ben Sullins catch up
6:42 Joe Scott catch up
16:22 Tim Dodds catch up.
22:12 New Glenn rocket debut launch.
24:11 Aborted Super Heavy booster catch/ next orbital launch - early Jan
51:45 DebunkBot
56:34 EVs
1:13:47 Biggest things in 2024
1:17:42 Cybertruck / Tesla / Self-Driving Cars
Tim and Joe come across as real genuine fellas.
Ben too, in his debunking videos especially!
Ben is clearly not being truthful here. GM's Silverado EV is a prime example of greenwashing, where the company promotes its electric vehicles to appear environmentally conscious, despite not producing them in sufficient quantities. Meanwhile, GM continues to manufacture large, climate-damaging gas or Diesel powered SUVs, using the profits from these to offset the losses from their EV division. Their claims about their EV strategy are increasingly dubious.
Rivian, on the other hand, is also problematic; they produce vehicles at a significant financial loss and are unlikely to replicate Tesla's success. Tesla is now mass-producing the Cybertruck profitably. Moreover, Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) version 13 has seen substantial improvements, yet critics like Ben, who haven't even experienced it, keep disparaging it. This kind of uninformed criticism is baffling.
He's like that about lots of things, Bay Area schools are closing for lack of students, sure there's still traffic and lines, but somethings gone wrong.
Yooo awesome to see you guys here!
Been watching SciManDan for years and it’s kick ass that he played a roll in some inspiration. Great guy. He’d be a cool guest 😏
I’ve been watching OLF since before Covid, and still love the chill factor and all the info I’m interested in. Thank you guys. Do it a couple more times a year:)
Nice to see you guys together. Please keep making these! 👍
good to see the boys back in town.
Oh yeah Ben, they need a federal subsidy for LIDAR so that Tesla can eventually be as successful as Waymo... /s
Haha. It's really weird that Ben is caught up in the Waymo/LIDAR myth. I think it must be due to where he's getting his news feed.
yay!!!! Big thanks to Ben, Joe and Tim! Thanks for putting the time aside to do this add some simple normality to our media adhd hype crisis😁
Thanks lots!
i found ya 3 at the perfect time. Was great to spend some time learning about the electric movement from Ben and on hand no bull no hyped honest data! The endless subjects of Joe! and Tim to have the strangest happenings with the media refusing to professionally report on SpaceX leaving this strange space where we people got to build up our own media.
For Tims unexpected journey which got me into youtube, I'm a New Zealand 9-5er who's crazy brother casually has his afterwork whiskey on the nasa launchpad. Was so good to nerd out on star hopper, see everything in crazy detail and feel closer to whats going on in Texas. Wish i could've be there! thanks again to all 3 of you for all your down to earth contributions!
Just how I feel, well said sir
It is so good to see you guys together! Thanks for the updates. China openly said 20 years ago that they wanted to control the market for rare earth materials, batteries...and for the last 10 years, EVs. The trouble with the U.S. stopping EV subsidies, and instituting tariffs is that China's established EV market, mining, and R&D work will only create MORE of an advantage for them if the U.S. backs off of supporting EVs, and it does not innovate and compete. The Japanese did this successfully in the 80's, 90's, up until recent years. They built economical, leaner, more reliable and better built vehicles and they took 25-40%+ of the American automotive market...which the U.S. never got back. Leaving us to build and sell mostly pickups and SUVs.
The EV industry isn't progressing as expected due to one simple thing, the batteries are not fit for purpose.
Whatever anyones opinion is on EVs, the batteries need to be smaller, lighter and capable of being extinguished in the event of a fire.
Because of the batteries, the EV second hand market is worthless, cars depreciate at an alarming rate, multi storey car parks are beginning to ban EVs due to fire (see the Luton airport incident).
Racetracks are begining to ban EVs due to fire risk, motorsport is removing hybrid systems due to complexity, cost and fire risk (see the BTCC and WRC)
Car repair shops are refusing to deal with EVs with damaged battery packs due to the risk of fire.
Opinion or ideology mean nothing when reality decides.
The reality is, we need better batteries or EVs are not fit for purpose.
@@JamesCairney I agree with the "batteries need to be smaller, lighter and capable of being extinguished in the event of a fire."
However, a DIESEL Range rover starting a fire in Luton airport so we should ban EVs as fire hazards goes totally opposite of your statement "Opinion or ideology mean nothing when reality decides."
Even the fire department concluded that the problem with that fire is the lack of firefighting equipment (esp. sprinklers) in the building. It's pretty much only anti-EV groups that say it's an EV that caused that fire. Weirdly enough, a lot of headlines that time say "Battery short causes fire" when they fully know it's a battery in a diesel vehicle that caused the fire.
This is pretty much the same as that Kia 3.3M park outside recall for a battery fire igniting flammables in the cars got way totally overblown as "EVs are dangerous" when all of the vehicles recalled or non-EVs!
"Opinion or ideology mean nothing when reality decides" my ass! 🤣🤣
Happy new year! Watch for EVs exploding in the sky. There will be a lot of them!
@fcgHenden you seem absolutely politically captured.
Nevermind.
You'll notice the only thing I said was "we need better batteries" and you have assumed that I am some EV hating reality denier.
We need better batteries.
The Luton Airport fire was uncontrollable due to EV battery fires.
EVs are being banned from places.
Motorsport is turning away from hybrids.
The batteries need to improve.
If EVs are to be the future, we need better batteries.
Why does this send people mental, like you?
Apparently I think that EVs all explode everywhere? What are you talking about?
It isn't possible to extinguish an EV fire, this is a major problem that has to be solved.
Why deny it?
@@fcgHenden it was nice that you agreed with the only point I made then made out like I was some nutter that thinks that all EVs explode, even though you agree with my point.
Nice.
@@JamesCairney That is a truly funny position to take, based on lies and mis-information. Gas vehicles are more than 10 times more likely to catch fire than EVs. In reality EVs are far safer than gas powered vehicles. Saying that EVs are not fit for purpose exposes the fact that you clearly have never owned an EV, and have based your mistaken opinions on lies and half-truths. If you actually had owned an EV you would know that they are much cheaper to own and drive over time than a comparable gas vehicle. EVs are not a perfect fit for everyone, but for those people whose needs match EV's broad capabilities, they are objectively better.
I'm blown away as you are. I can't believe that neither of them has been in a cyber truck
I know, case to say their hate blinds them to see a great product.
1:33:00 Tesla switched their focus from 'EVs sold' to real-world AI (driving and robotics) because they see success there as the fastest way to achieve the transition to an electric world, drastically reducing fossile fuel use. It's not "just a money grab" or a distraction from "the mission." They see it as a better, more efficient strategy.
the cars are killing people and Elon is using the courts to cover up the data.
Gutted I missed this live. Really nice you guys still treat us to these occasional videos. You all work really well together.
Thanks for doing these yearly recaps. Watched every episode back in the day. Keep going, at least until the Roadster is released 😁 Much love y’all
What I would really like (and have been considering doing myself) is taking the footage/photos from the Apollo landings and using 3D reconstruction on them (like Gaussian Splatting) so we can see the landing sites in 3D
Expecting great things at the Astro Awards, Tim. No pressure!!
Glad to see you guys together again!
You know ben is not doing Very well because he had to study psychology to improve the clickbait 😂
Can’t wait for that video Joe! I’m so jealous that you have a piece of that 4 billion yr old rock outcrop from Canada! And jealous of what you got to do in Hawaii. So excited for that!
Nice to see you guys chatting with each other. When it comes to video duration, shorts are a pain but over an hour and I am reluctant to watch it. It had better be a really interesting subject. My preference is for between 8 and 15 minutes.
Thank you guys. I was hoping for another OLF
Nice to see you guys back together again 😊 ❤
Thanks guys for doing this episode. I ❤wish you’d get together quarterly but I know you’re busy and this isn’t very monetized for you. You kept me sane during the pandemic. When Tim speaks to Elon again, please push more FLIR cameras on Falcon, Starship, and Tesla vehicles!
Love it when you guys get together!
I freaking love you guys. Definitely do this twice a year.
Where did this come from!!!! Let’ssss goooo
A very value add podcast. A few occasional episodes a year for the hardcore is brilliant. Keep ploughing your own furrows.
Hey guys, love all your channels big fan. I remember when Ben said, full self driving is way way off in the future. I guess he was correct but it’s here now. If you haven’t driven a Tesla with hardware for And version 13.2.2 then you just don’t know. I have it in my cyber truck which almost everybody thinks is cool as hell. Four-wheel steering automatic, right height, full pick up truck bed. I love it.
Love to see you boys together again. Looking forward to the next episode in 365ish days
1:33 James Douma's opinion is that for each RoboTaxi you are remove 4 other cars (preferably gasoline) vehicles from the road.
I love you guys! It's so nice to see you!
Man i miss olf I'll have to watch this in the weekend
“That’s true of all technologies” - Joe
Amazon, Google, Facebook, Tesla, Apple, the iPhone, these are not advances of gov tech
SpaceX - supported by gov, but their architecture and design was laughed at by the gov.
Holy Crap, they're back !!!
Super happy you guys made it happen! Thanks, was an unexpected surprise at this point!
Great to see the OLF gang reunite again :)
Ben: ‘we have rules to guarantee insurance’…’so providers are leaving’…
Great channel... Wish you guys had the time for more combined content
still like to see these from you guys.
Tim, you have NO idea how much bigger a moose is. If you can see more than it's knees, then it's not a moose :P
goddam I miss you guys together, I have followed you all individually for ever and love all that you do but I sure do miss you guys sparking ofov each other......once a year is better than nothing!!! love you guys XX
Good on ya for taking on the debunking.
It's a lot of work though.
In the time it takes to debunk one lie, people can tell a thousand more.
1:03:38 how are they ahead of Tesla? Just quantity?
Ben is a bit delusional, like how can you trust any information coming from China. They are ahead compare to the traditional brands, but you have to remember they subsidised the market and the Germans found out that many of the net zero projects they have invested in China is scam.
Great shame we no longer have the large cross English Channel passenger AND car carrying hovercrafts. I know some military have some big ones, but dont think there's any large civilian ones in use?
So glad the band is back together.
OLF should be quarterly. thx you guys!
Paused this to go watch my first Bobby Fingers video. Loved it!
I need more OLF in my life
Need more of this!
46:00 if you still bring all the production equipment, how much extra work would it be to stream it too, rather than just record locally?
Any chance you’ll add this to your podcast feed?
Ben is not the same anymore
In a good way or bad way?
He seems the same to me. Still very focused on himself. Still antagonistically anti-Tesla. Seems data-first, but still emotional and opinionated in his presentation.
Ben is a woke troll now
@@6jothow dare people have progressive beliefs.
I think the world is what’s changed, Ben is probably pretty similar.
A few years ago Tesla, Elon, all three of these guys, ‘intelligent thought’ all pointed in the same direction.
But now the world is more complicated. I see Tim, and occasionally Joe break away from the media headline bound ‘intelligent thought’ and use common sense. But Ben doesn’t seem to be able to do that.
When the New York Times is blatantly lying almost daily it’s a super confusing world to navigate as there’s no agreed on truth or trustworthy source. It’s not good.
Be kind to Ben, he’s just trying to work it out like we are.
So happy to see this
Will this be put into the podcast feed?
I think JH makes alot of money selling those maps. Im leglly blind and want one. He makes them sound so cool.
Cool! Thanks for this!
The biggest problem with the argument of insurance:1:31:30 is that it's cheaper to get an affordable car and insure it than to get an expensive car and insure it with self-drive. I can pay for my car with how much I save on insurance in the life span of my car by getting an older cheaper car.
Self driving cars will lead the way to a sustainable future.
*eyeroll
I don't think self driving has a connection to sustainability, if all of the cars would be self driving it would just be more efficient use of the roads, but sustainability has more to do with production and powering those cars, right?
Less cars are needed if cars drive themselves. Each car does more driving. Therefore, this is more efficient, hence more sustainable. Tesla has stated this since the start of its self driving mission.
How did I not see this when it came out
1:29:55 You mixed up expenses somewhere in translation. Perhaps you understood the 70% increase in insurance costs in California as the actual percentage of expenses. Who knows. Of the fare paid to Uber 70% is paid to the driver, which is allocated to net income, fuel, maintenance, and depreciation of the vehicle. Of the remainder nowhere near 70% is paid to insurance. It is not an inconsequential expense to Uber, and it is growing, but it’s not 70% of expenses.
In terms of autonomous taxi expenses the largest expense is the driver, followed by fuel costs and then probably a toss up between depreciation of the vehicle and insurance costs. Perhaps general maintenance. For an EV it’s absolutely driver first and foremost, and then potentially insurance becomes the second largest expense.
1;30 Wow1 Ben now I understand why Tesla started selling insurance.
I feel like debunking is not enough - these people are engaging in storytelling, and you can't debunk a story. You have to deconstruct their framing story, and sometimes their framing story is partially correct - large organizations ARE unaccountable for instance. Members of the US government may or may not have been involved in >, but members of the US govt have been involved in {{ some very bad events }}. The framing story isn't completely wrong. The conclusions and details of the story in question have very low basis in fact, but are highly satisfying. This is why I like the term Low Information High Satisfaction Theory better than Conspiracy Theory.
Long live OLF!!! Miss these chats so much!
I am a person who still says I don’t know and most often when I actually don’t know
Did Tim say he has some kind of award show coming up? :D
OOOOO
Is this a new channel. I hope it takes off. I mean successful and not taken off.
The boys are back in town....
First of all, I’m not a Democrat or a Republican. I have to say that Ben‘s insistence on leaning into politics is what turned me from his channel. He just sounds like another Californian Herring the political views of his state.
Nice surprise thanks guys 👍👍
**Squeals in excitement at new OLF episode^*
Awesome!!!
Joe! Ben! Tim!..old school cool
Ben failed at Model Y predictions too…
I was hoping OLF Tim would be calling in from orbit 😢
Are AI agents capable of helping you to make more episodes for this channel?
yesssssssss more of this please!
Oh man, I miss OLF. Briefly met you guys at the live event in San Diego. Would love to grab a coffee or something with those of you who are going to be at the next Starship launch. It’d probably be a road trip with my mom
@cybergranny, so whoever hasn’t ridden in a Cybertruck would be welcome to.
1:30:00 This is why Tesla went into insurance business. None of you brought it up. But they'll insure their own robotaxis. So the cost becomes irrelevant.
You guys are good together. I like that Ben might finally be getting it about his messages he’s putting out. Some people, like me, are late bloomers. I will take a yearly OLF podcast over nothing!
TESLA have pushed Battery Storage and it is growing faster than anything else they do and will be for a few years. The other thing to see is as companies get bigger they do change and become more like other auto makers.
Wow, people are really giving Ben a hard time. I have been watching his debunking videos and have been enjoying them.
@1:01:00 People who spend high 6 to 7 digits on a super/hyper car are after the experience of being around something special, the sound, the drama. Now that we have family sedans doing 0-60 in 2sec that's not a metric that counts anymore. A Rimac is fundamentally very similar to a Model S. We see that reflected in the huge depreciation of hybrid/ev supercars including even from Ferrari. Such collector cars are mostly kept around and not used up and disposed of like others so there's worry for future support and maintenance of those batteries and hybrid systems.
In some way it is like the smart vs mechanical watch world, no matter how much bling bling you put on an apple watch it'll never be as special as a beautifully made automatic movement. We see it now car collectors appreciating NA engines, manual transmissions, low weight. Making an EV hypercar is a good way to go out of business, people who just want the speed would save themselves the money and buy a Plaid.
Not sure it has any environmental merits either, since this is such a small portion of cars that hardly get driven anyway, so you use up a lot of resources to make a gigantic battery that'll mostly sit and degrade until it has to be replaced in 15-20yrs.
If we could get a “Our Truly Ludicrous Future” channel/podcast with just Tim Dodd and Joe Scott it would instantly be my most immediately listened to upon release. I crave the smart logical positivity they provide in spades. Not sure what happened to Ben Sullins though, but geez it’s disappointing. I’ll tune into any future episodes of this if there are any just for Tim & Joe though.
Ah, the good old days of lockdown, hyping about electric cars and rockets while trying to forget the zombie apocalypse outside and windexing bananas. Thanks guys.
Yeah, Ben has like 365 debunk vids to Tim's 1...🤣 love ya Tim!😝
31:14 I hope Blue Origin fills this need with New Shepard with a Gen 2 or similar.
I’ve missed this.
Ben truly brought down this podcast with his truly confusing, and silly points. He seemed to be there just to come up with moronic takes about future technology.
Ben needs to ride in v 13 before he talks again about fsd
human drivers don't use lidar
@@ljviks22Tesla never used LiDAR, it was a radar system, but point taken. Instead of radar or LiDAR I wish they’d try using FLIR - Forward Looking Infrared. This tech is less expensive than LiDAR and creates fewer artifacts. Plus it would be reasonably compatible with the vision system currently in use. This is also what Sandy Monroe was pushing a while ago. I think it’s really amazing what they’ve done with FSB, so far. We have M3 (HW version 2) and it performs really well. With HW v4, I have high expectations.
@@ljviks22just for your awareness... and maybe complete rethink of your argument... a) Tesla has never used LIDAR and b) LIDAR also gets blocked by heavy rain/fog
@@ljviks22Tesla has never used LiDAR in their deployed model, it is used for validation and LiDAR does not mitigate interference from rain, fog, snow, or dirt. What LiDAR does is give an accurate depiction of the shape of an object so that you know that a Semi trailer is a semi trailer, which FSD has absolutely no problem with anymore. It also helps with low light situations, because it emits its own light to read its surroundings.
Really doubt you actually have the software or any working knowledge of how it works and you’re just a person that claims you do to gain validity to your criticisms. Criticisms that you stole from someone else, who stole from someone else, who stole from someone else tracing back to someone who might actually have some technical understanding of the problem but their knowledge was lost in translation, because what you posted is absolute nonsense-sense.
I remember hearing that about v10, v11, v12… what year is it now?
Australia has no car industry so it is an open market place for all comers without any govt interventions. The Electric Viking (RUclips) yesterday listed 64 new EV models entering our market in 2025.
Look at the growth in Tesla grid operations and storage. They haven't drppped that.
I think FSD was badly named and should not have been sold as it was, but I do feel that itis getting better fast and faster so I'm not sure it will be a 2025 thing but I do feel sure that we will see 2026 were it will be better than a human driver!
Lots of articles on the internet about Mark Rober's selfie sat project. Not a secret.