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This video dives into a pivotal University of Pittsburgh study revealing the unexpected truth about Return-to-Office (RTO) policies. Despite corporate hopes, forcing employees back into the office shows no financial benefit but leads to a significant drop in job satisfaction. From Mark Zuckerberg's flip-flopping stance to Snap's CEO Evan Spiegel's family time cut short, we explore the real impact of RTO on companies like Meta and the use of 'quiet layoffs.' Witness the tone-deaf attempts at boosting office morale and why these strategies simply don't resonate with the workforce. #remotework
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I am fortunate to work for a company that lets me work from 9am-6pm instead of the standard 8am-5pm, and I work remotely, and they don't get angry if I accidentally take an extra hour nap and when you're off, you're off (vacation or working hours).
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I retired and my hair stopped falling out...
Having people stay at home proves that they can have their jobs outsourced.
What I've been saying all along. It was never about "returning to the workplace" it was ALWAYS trying to prop up the dying commercial realty industry.
Spot on. They desperately want to avoid building apartments and converting office buildings because it 1) reduces the cost of housing and rent and 2) reduces property values in the major cities. Another factor is the extraordinary amount of urban planning done by woke CIA companies and big time mayors across the country for decades, including major inner city infrastructure projects already underway (bike lanes, buses that run on soy bean oil), and even more ambitious projects slated for the future. All ruined! There is no point to living in a city or putting the next factory near a big city. They will be forced to spend the infrastructure budget on fixing potholes and crumbling bridges. Oh no! More sprawl! Except it doesn't matter, because we won't be commuting.
It’s very very expensive to convert that stuff. Donating to someone as a write off? Good idea …supposedly.
@@meliss9536 I know a little about construction and I call BS. They can convert anything to anything, but somehow installing kitchens and bathrooms is too expensive?
Why would my company care about the commercial real estate industry?
I never bought this argument. My company doesn't own the building (and if they did they'd just prop it up as long as it would take to sell it). The building being full incus additional expense. Leaving it empty literally saves them money. The reason we have RTO is actually so that the CEO never walks into an empty office; he feels bad if he doesn't see the thing that he bought every day (that he's in). Ironically we had to walk back measures to ensure this never happened due to decreased productivity.
Further, for anyone not within walking distance, RTO is literally a pay CUT.
The return of travel/parking expenses and lunch costs means you are no longer making as much money. Again.
This was one of my arguments when youtube tried to make me come back to the office. They decided not to care, I decided not to work for them. Problem solved
That and now I have to lug in my own water because the town I work in has cancerous, and dirty, water.
Wilmington NC, by chance?@@meliss9536
On my random mandatory office days, Iliterally have to commute from my safer neighborhood with less crime to a more dangerous area (6 cars have been broken into recently in our employee parking lot) and pay a higher income tax rate to that city during those days...
Exactly it also means we are forced to move back to the towns and major cities where rents and house prices have gone nuts!
They don't care about money, they care about control.
You are correct about this. HGA harassed me before they laid me off. They got angry when the videos were posted online.
Money, power and control. That's what it's all about.
CEOs can't get hard unless they can monitor people's bathroom and coffee breaks. A lot of them are narcissists and cant deal with not being in full control of what they feel entitled to, and what they feel entitled to is the lives of people they pay rather poorly.
Exactly.
They care about both because the second the earnings drop they lay people off
These companies preach on reducing carbon foot print. But, they force their employees to commute to offices.
The suffering is the point. They want to break you so you will easily accept a dictator.
RTO is a precursor to 15 minute cities.
That’s how you know it’s all a grift.
Spot on!!
I remember reading on Reddit a post saying their team deliberately decides to do much less on their in-office days.
It’s inevitable. Soooo much talking, so many activities I’d rather sit in my chair for. Such a far walk to the bathroom or cafeteria, and to the building from the car.
I plan on doing the opposite. My office days I'll do all my work and my WFH I won't do shit. It'll make up for the 8 hours of work I'd complete in 5 hours while fully remote.
@@Based_Comment Yeah, that's what I would do if I was in office.
@@Based_Commentwatch out, it will backfire eventually when they catch you, and they'll eliminate your WFH time.
Good for them. Break the system.
It’s almost like forcing people to come back to work when they were just as productive at home without the extra time committing makes people ….less productive. Wow who knew?? Did they think they were gonna be excited about that?
Why not just hire people in other countries for less money, if they’re not coming to the office in person?
We all went into this knowing it was temporary and for “safety”. The party is over.
@@86FramerHR Worker here. Because that presents a whole other slew of logistical issues that at the end of the day just aren't worth it for most companies that aren't in a very specific position, and far less efficient than just letting your local employees continue to work from home. Don't be a corporate bootlicker, they don't care about you as much as you may hope
*more productive at home
@@86Framer If they want foreign workers, they are free to hire them. Foreign workers have been an option for quite some time now. I will continue to consult for companies that hire remote, because I can choose to, just like they can choose to hire a foreign worker instead. Goes both ways, bud.
@@86Framerthis isn’t even an argument lol. They can hire them now if they want.
Jobs that can be done remotely should be allowed to be done remotely. It’s that simple!
🙌🏾 yes
Didn't they say us driving is killing the planet?
So let me work from home... Then they get tetchy and say I need to drive I. And work when I can do it from home just the same. Its amazing how green policies are abandoned when it benefits us but they are enforced when it screws us over.
But... muh corporate goals...
But then who will the bosses and middle managers pick on?
@@immortaljanus and culture! Why won't anyone think about our corporate family culture!?
Clown world.
Exactly what I was thinking when I saw your comment. I mean really
I wanna puke.
@@STScott-qo4pw don't puke. juggle some balls and hula hoop some fire rings around your waist while singling "I'm too sexy"
Always been, always will
It's not just about profit, it's about control. Some are even sadists. They think others have to suffer and lose for them to "win".
@@86Framer outsourcing was happening WAY before working from home
@86Framer Here's the reality. It's NOT POSSIBLE for any major corporation to hire all foreign workers and remain productive. Time difference alone is their first disadvantage. Get your head out of the clouds.
@@stratecaster547 So…what’s the difference between someone in another country working for you from home and a remote worker in the US?
We again went into this knowing it was temporary.
@@stratecaster547 And…we all went into remote work knowing that it would be temporary. How long have bars been open in your city now?
@@matiqog We all went into remote work knowing that it would be temporary, because of the issues that come with it.
Plenty of people work 2nd and 3rd shifts without any issues.
companies dont really care about your happiness, only about control and power. this already starts at the job interview
It starts earlier than that with the application that asks you to upload a resume and then proceeds to ask you all the things on the resume anyway and then makes you upload a cover letter that no one will read and provide references that no one will call. Also don't forget the personality test that only tests for how good of a liar you are to ensure a team of the most dishonest people they can find
“What do you mean, you don’t wanna participate in this pizza party and play charades,Todd? We made you come back into the office for this!”
Why not just hire people in foreign countries for less money, if they’re not going to be in the office?
We all went into this knowing it would be temporary.
Okay, okay. But hear me out: imagine if you also have to pay for the pizza party.
@@86Framerlooks like I found the commercial real estate owner.
Because sometimes their English isn’t good enough and the jobs come back anyway
@@meliss9536 The US has way too many office workers right now. And we all went into this knowing it was temporary, if it’s hypothetically not temporary. Than why have metric shit ton of American/Canadian telecommuters?
Paying for the commute needs to be mandatory. If they pay for that then I'll know it's actually important to the companies.
My company has an office downtown but they don't have a parking garage. They're still forcing me to come in. If they don't pay for my Ubers (30 min each way), I'll be forced to quit. I'm not paying for those Ubers myself. All so I can Zoom with my teammates in another city.
I get 20€ a day tax free for commuting but i live in Germany.
I woud never Take a Job that dosent pay fo commuting its Like a pay cute.
@@noahd213 Downtown has good transit connections in my city. Trains have 10x the corridor capacity personal cars do.
They should pay the difference in accommodation costs too.
If working remotely I can afford to live in an area where a house costs 100k and the rent is 1k that's great. But if you want me to come to the office, and now I have to live within commuting distance and a house costs 300k and the rent is 3k I want you to pay for that difference. If coming to the office matters that much to them, they should take the hit in their pockets. If not shut up and let me do my job where I want.
You still lose time commuting. Time, that's infinitely more valuable than paper money or numbers on a bank acc. For most it's at least 1 hr commute, every day.
RTO has a few fatal flaws for tech.
1. So many people got fired, who will return? Those stranded here on Visas?
2. HR told you to overstaff so they keep their jobs by creating a fictional acqui-hire army for a war that never came. That's the high payroll and real estate cost, too many bodies for no reason. Still trust them to have your best interests when your employees *hate* HR?
3. Survivor's guilt; empty seats are the graves of your peers that made the day go easier.
4. Productivity is not related to hours in a seat. Some do a week of work on a Monday morning, while the same task takes the cheaper hire over a week.
5. Agile is usually not visibility, it is mangers for the sake of managers and distracting ceremonies that eliminate hours to be productive/happy. Story points promote fraudulent estimations of time.
6. You show no loyalty but expect it. What is the saying about respect being earned? Yet you love to treat developers like children with toys, games and pizza. That's some Grapes of Wrath sht right there.
7. Some of us like being in an office, but some leaders treat staff like it is easy to change their order at an boozy lunch at the local Applebee's because we made eye contact or stepped away to get a little mental clarity and hung out at the water cooler while longer than you like.
8. Work is not performance art. You are not conducting the Bolshoi. Unless you want to pair-program with someone, you are not allowed to say you want people around to make sure they are working.
9. AI will not solve your problems alone without a skilled handler. Keep threatening us, see how that works out for your business.
10. We read Glassdoor and know to ignore all 5-star reviews as bogus. We read the messages and see a toxic place we may have to take to survive but don't expect fealty.
You nailed. My job started agile and its the most bizarre version I had ever seen. We get assigned work from several different teams and are expected to go to each stand up... That takes a half hour. Imagine having six stand ups to go to?
There was a revolt, of sorts. Insubordination... By people who want to be left alone and work.
Just give me the task with good requirements, don't micromanage me, and I'll deal with the customer and provide the best product they need.
I'm one of those guys that can get a weeks worth of work done in the morning... I keep my mouth shut about it because I don't want to get more work... And I know, if I did get more work, they will find some excuse to not give me a raise... Like I made a typo in a user story that caused confusion when anyone could read it and it made perfect sense.
Preach
@@darksideblues135some of what you said makes sense. But some of the shortcuts you took on this very comment causes confusion so whether you have 6 teams, 6 teams doing asshole, or NOT, i can see how a typo causes confusion that lasts hours.
I learned a long time ago: if I want to be left alone, I have to be understood when I'm not around. It's the advanced version of: you can't be promoted/go on vacation, if you can't be replaced. It's not rocket science, ppl.
There is AI implementation at my place. It’s take many many people just to complete a simple function to work in AI. Also, these companies are going to keep using their old ass software. The AI devs have to become experts in whatever they are trying to build on top of, and many mishaps happen. Plus, as you said, will need maintaining once the devs leave.
Does your company create fake five-star reviews too?? Is that a thing now? One of the fun things we like to do is get together and read the five-star reviews out loud in appropriate voice impersonations. Good times!
Instead of companies feeling like they need to bring people back to the office, they should be converting commercial real estate into apartments to lower the cost of housing
Those tenant improvment jobs are massive. Instead of 2 bathrooms you need to more than a dozen. The piping going to all those toilets and the new rooms is quite an endevor. Not impossible but not cheap
No thanks remote all the way I don’t need to be micromanaged in a cubicle farm.
Chair races....OMG. This is why I'm so glad I work remotely. You can keep your crappy chairs.
Ironically the office chair my employer provides in the office is pretty nice. :D When we first got new office chairs I was like, "this feels great! I think I'll buy one for my WFH setup." and then I realized it was basically a $700 chair.
That’s what I thought till I got made redundant. Good luck in trying to find another decent remote job again.
@@SamBrickellYeah depending on the company they might spend money on decent chairs. Sadly most of mine were poor unless I bought one.
chair races are underrated...its the only way you can break your bosses knees AND furniture and not go to jail
my company was oh so proud about how productivity were actually IMPROVING during lockdown, yet here we are back in office.
Hopefully your productivity did not drop too much. 😅
@@carlc.4714 it kinda is, i'm binge watching Josh's videos while working lmao.
You know the drill, bare minimum and trying to change jobs asap. If they're getting cute about performance bla bla, just say that you could concentrate better at home, all stats prove that.
Going to an office to talk to people I hate doesnt seem like it's good for production. Just let people work however they want. As long as the results are good why ruin a good thing for everyone?
This is why for the interview for my last job I asked if they were in the habit of doing stupid games for teambuilding and shit. Straight-up told them I think that kind of shit is insulting and if they didn't feel the same, then we wouldn't be a good fit. I got hired, and the job and people were great.
(ahem) ... white elephant gifting for Christmas (cough cough) ... stupidest thing ever ...
this is the way
I love that you were bold and didn’t tell them what you thought they may have wanted to hear.
@@AngelaMastrodonato well thank you, but this had nothing to do with being bold, and everything to do with being fed up, tired, insulted, and beaten in the job market for the better part of 15 years. Got to the point where I'd rather live under an overpass than go through that bullshit again. And the next motherfucker that lies in their job description is paying for my uber home, or I'm taking a keyboard or a monitor from their office to pay for my troubles.
RTO calls = layoffs are coming.
RTO is smokescreen to minimize layoff costs.
RTO is also a smokescreen to make employees come into the office so the bad bosses can harass them. ruclips.net/p/PLZf9uyhYCn4Oo_K5e6RF36IJDyiIwk7Uh
happened here too. RTO made mandatory, 200 people resigned. later HO is fine again. it's just a way to lay people off and avoid paying them.
@@susrev88 Wait so they gave you guys WFH flexibly back then? I'd guess they're severely underpaying a lot of workers if that many were able to find a new role that fast.
@@BOSSDONMAN before covid, no HO was allowed. covid forced the company to HO (IT company, i'm not a dev/IT though). then last they started soft pushing back to office. one day/week, etc. i dunno if they found new jobs but the salaries are a joke (i live in the poorest country in europe). millionaire VPs and CEOs telling us to go to office and "yes, we also feel inflation on our skin" LOL
🤯
What's funny is that nobody is suggesting paying employees more to come back to the office but they are suggesting spending more.
I believe these CEO’s that push RTO just hate their own families and assume we all do 😂
Bingo
You’re not wrong. Many men admit to staying longer in the office to avoid dealing with their kids.
@@amicaaranearumkids?
More like wife or in laws or siblings or roommates or parents.
Basically bosses that don’t pay you!
My team lead is the same way as I found out. The reason he doesn't take remote days like the rest of us (we get 2 days a week after the RTO negotiations) is because he can't stand being around his wife all day.
But it seems like a lot of them push for the employees to come back while staying remote themselves
It just sounds more like "Beatings will continue until morale improves"
God that chair race was pure cringe.
@@Meatbot flashbacks of being in kindergarten, yeah
The thing that absolutely throws me is that this whole system could actually be cheaper for companies because they no longer have to lease a whole fucking building and they can basically have one "central" office. But they can't let go.
But that would hurt some people's investment portfolios (people who have investments in commercial real estate) so there's a concerted push by those people to re-legitimize in-office work. This fight is so multi-faceted and it's all tied up in money.
Or pay for parking, security, cleaning, maintenance, etc.
That’s true in the long run, but many of these companies are locked into long-term leases, so it’s hard for them to justify letting their expensive offices sit empty.
@@amicaaranearum ...and when those leases expire, companies will down size and expect their employees to embrace "open concept" offices, where employees look like they're in a high school classroom, and management gets offices around the perimeter of the room so they can keep an eye on you.
How is anybody supposed to envy the boss' reserved parking space and corner office if you're not sharing a cubicle? How are you expected to pour your soul into the company for 30 years if you already have a parking spot right next to your door and a window right next to your desk? He divorced twice and forgot his kids' birthdays for those trappings of status! You will envy him his success gaddamit! His life choices were good! They were good, I tell you!
I’m definitely seeing a big trend to phase out working remotely. I just got made redundant in my remote job of the last few years and am currently job hunting. It’s mostly in office or hybrid work being advertised now and the very few fully remote roles I’m seeing are IT roles and a few customer service positions. They are definitely trying to wean us off remote work with this hybrid scam. This is especially vile because most of the decent jobs are in major cities where the rents and house prices have gone nuts since the lockdown. Forcing people back in the office means it’s difficult now to live somewhere cheaper…there is simply no decent jobs available in small towns or the countryside.
I'm seeing the opposite. More remote jobs than ever.
Also, remote IT and Tech jobs are paying way less compared to 2021 and 2022!! That's why, I've been back in the offices, 100%, since February 2022!! I don't like it but I'm not taking a 30%-50% pay cut to do remote work!
I’m not saying there are other long-term benefits from remote work. I happen to work at home. But if remote work became a permanent arrangement and enough remote workers moved to lower cost of living areas with a high cost of living salary, you better believe rents and other costs would eventually increase.
@@MannyLoxx2010 That sounds like a good case for the courts to hear. That amount of pay discrepancy sounds like discrimination.
@@AngelaMastrodonato Prices increase regardless. Usually a catastrophic collapse in demand will drive prices lower. Except in 'uhMurica; where the Fed will prop up deserving large businesses with Infinite Money.
Ironically, if they wanted to do a once a month or once a quarter gather folks up for some pizza and games, hey why not. But 99.99% of office time / office "culture" is just headphones on, sitting in a Teams call with someone in another time zone. I can do that at home with my dogs at my feet, thanks.
My company of mostly still remote employees does quarterly events (usually some kind of themed party with food and drinks) and they are well attended and people genuinely enjoy them. It's a nice way to catch up with people without having to trudge into the office 3 days a week so we can work exactly the same way we do remotely.
It's not about what you want. It's about what they want and with you in the office, it is easier for them to spy on you. Most of the people making these decisions work remotely.
Return to the office is less about Productivity and more about Control.
It's hard to justify lots of managers and executives if there's no one in the office for them to micro-manage.
I got really lucky with the RTO stuff. I left the office when covid hit. A year later, the company closed the office and moved it 1500 miles away. There's no office to return to!
Same Here. If you get a good company, things go like that.
My place literally tore a building down and replaced it with one half it's size with hot desking. Yeah RTO is slashed and burned.
Nyc gives tax benefits for companies that have atleast 60% of staff working in office. Idk about other cities but yeah
How boomerific!
Because they want to avoid a massive housing crash, which will likely come anyways.
Less and less want to live and work in NYC
@@GoriaasDamage control, but it’s a house of mirrors that’s going to be shattered.
@@wildfirez5764 Pretty much yeah
because nyc is a shithole. they have to 🤣
I was recently made redundant in the UK and am sick of sifting through jobs marked as remote to then find its actually hybrid hidden somewhere in the spec. I had one the other day worded like "you MUST attend office 2 days per week or do not apply". Most remote roles have gone. There are very few roles where I live and my work can be done remotely so why not. They are also limiting the pool of people that can work for them.
Are you telling me you couldn't take the hybrid position and then push for more remote work time with your coworkers later on?
@@M.RalphSchmidt yes as they would all require long commutes and transport is expensive in the UK.
@@David-bi6lf I do understand. Gas/petrol in America has a history of being relatively affordable, but a long commute in America is 1 hour or more at 55 mph. It's not unusual to put $100/week into fuel.
This just happened to me! I was made redundant from my remote job and can’t find another one! It’s only hybrid or in office now. This is forcing me to either remain unemployed or relocate to the big towns or large cities where rents and house prices are no longer affordable.
I’d recommend applying for these roles anyway. You’d be surprised how far some companies will bend their requirements for the right candidate. I’ve seen people get an offer who aren’t even in the same country where the job was originally advertised!
I hte my co workers. I survive my job cause i work from home
I like being alone, so working from home is a blessing to me. It's the one good thing covid gave us.
Yeah but now they’re taking it away. So they expect us to work in the offices in the towns and cities where the rents are now insane.
RTO mandates show more than anything else, what big business leaders crave is power over others. Any fear of lost money due to lower productivity would be made up by the huge savings businesses would make from not having to pay for and maintain buildings. The main thing business owners want is to control people, and doing it over zoom is no replacement for in person control.: One of the more insidious desires of humankind has been the desire to safely ignore the feelings and concerns of others. Being a boss for many people is no fun unless you can harass your employees without any real fear of consequence. That's why the business world is so awful: It gives people real authority over others, which in turn gives them real authority to screw them over.
Humankind? It's the outliers acting that way. It seems like the majority sometimes when they're the ones in power and they are always sticking themselves in our faces. But they are the minority.
Human nature is good or we couldn't have stayed alive as a species this long. Cooperation is an evolutionary strategy. And we've actually become quite good at it. We just got to get these psychos out of here..
Leverage the American with Disabilities Act to force the issue of remote work irrespective of company policy: ADHD, ASD, etc., etc., etc.
They just won't hire you if you admit to having any of those beforehand. It's illegal, but there's no practical and cost efficient way to get enough evidence to win a court case about it.
And just 4 years ago, they were saying the exact opposite.
All lies from day 1
Corporate America is sick sad.. and failed.
I think I just heard the entire HR profession collectively lick it's lips when you said "quiet layoff"
Most of the people that had the discipline and skill to learn and work these technical roles do not need motivation to do their job. They got here, they have the skills, and WANT to achieve. By this stage most of them have wired their dopamine system to getting solutions and incremental improvements implemented and working. Being in an office to get your workers to do their job is not necessary and a complete distraction.
What a waste of fuel.. for a damn chair race 🙄
People at home don’t work. At work we race in our office chairs 🚽
Imagine how all that commercial real-estate being sold off for housing units would affect the cost of housing... oh nosies! People can afford a place to live now!
Can't have that!
The most insidious aspect of RTO is that it reduces employee leverage. WFH gave the employee time and flexibility to either job hunt and take interviews during normal business hours or to start a side business (ie. leverage). With the corporate office monopolizing employee time, leverage is lost and companies are positioned to ramp up exploitative practices.
And having two jobs... Or more... Seems to be a necessity as these companies will lay you off with ten minutes warning.
@@darksideblues135 not even that. ten minute warning would be a luxury
I went into the office today bc we were all forced to come in around 2021, but to try and keep employees happy they split up the big downtown office into 4 different offices around WA so I came into work just to get on zoom... Bc "working together is better".. Only from zoom in the office apparently.
Used to make me laugh in my old job we were encouraged to RTO but in a significant number of the weekly team meetings the boss had trouble getting the teams conference tech working correctly in the meeting rooms. Quite often we'd then have to continue the meeting over teams at the desk. May as well be at home.
Yes, thinking BEYOND each quarter is too complicated for the 'leadership'. Meanwhile, the investors have never and will never give a F about the people who are actually doing the work to make them money.
The chair thing looks like an easy way to get a workers comp claim...
I was so much more productive when I worked remote. These daily 1-2 hour commutes are an energy sucker. Then, when I get to the office the internet doesn't work!
@@Meatbot Don't forget the office SuperBowl pool, March Madness Grids, baby shower donations, retirement gift donations, house-warming donations, Secret Santa, pot lucks, blah blah blah.
If they want ppl in the office they should count commute as work hours anything else is a scam
I got remote radicalized it seems. But you know what's fun? If the company pays for the quarterly team meeting, get to together and planning in a nice place. They can pay for it when they no longer pay extremely expensive offices.
The crazy one in my job they want me back in the office even though my team is in another continent
So I go to the office to be on zoom!
"We need you to come back to the office because it's important us and the company."
*Shows up*
"Today's task is office chair bumper cars! Hooray!"
It's amazing what they will do to protect their real estate investments instead of just selling it or repurposing it for another line of business that makes sense for in person jobs.
My office also has had RTO mandates lately. My supervisors aren't a fan of these mandates. These supervisors don't report anyone who doesn't come in :). I am blessed.
God is watching over you.
my last job was the same way. my managers didn’t want to go back in to the office and did everything they could to delay the process
It was never about improving performance, it was always about being able to fire people without firing them.
It's weird, in my office efficiency, productivity and such are irrelevant. Attendance and attitude are. I'm not joking. I wonder what it's like in these offices. Might be fun to do a job swap.
@@Meatbotwe let go of a team member who was 10 minutes late all the time and was the most productive who got the most done. They took away wfh and he got an attitude as a result. They don’t want complainers and need team players. Our projects are fed now
I've been completely oblivious to all this. In my country we've been back to offices since mid-2021. "To hells with COVID, may those who shall die die already" was the silent motto back then. We've been all back to our miserable office lives and unhappy since then.
It's about corporate realestate prices and middle managers justifying their roles. Nothing more, nothing less. You want me to help meet your goals? Treat me like I am an adult.
you want to be treated like an adult? Eat the pizza crust 1st!!
I am a senior software engineer that just got a new job (just wanted something different and more money).
I can tell you that, at least for me, there are plenty of small business that are looking for good software engineers/developers and are looking all over the country, meaning working from hom is EXPECTED.
These bigger companies have to compete for talent with small businesses that do not care if you work from home.
This is what I noticed when I was looking.
I now work for a company that is only 9 people large, I work from home, and they pay me 42(!!) % more than the large company I just left.
Large companies are not going to keep good talent unless they embrace working from home.
This only applies to IT. For every person who demands to work remote there’s a 1000 desperate unemployed people who’d be happy to go back into the office just to have a job because the job market is so terrible right now.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but the night is still young. You just started a new job and I've seen companies do a complete 180 on their employees after a couple of months.
@@alphacentauri8083 exactly…pride cometh before a fall. I thought my cushy remote job would last forever than they suddenly laid everyone off due to AI in December.
Yeah. That's not going to happen to him. There are people I know who have WFH for decades in tech.
@@darksideblues135 I had a WFH for decades in sales. Great job, but things changed,
I live so close to work anyway that I was one of the few that didn't care about RTO. Even before seeing this video I could tell, just from experience, that my productivity declined when I was in office. It's so easy to get side tracked by small talk, or book in "coffee catch-ups" 💀 You just LOOK like you're productive because the seniors might see you pass them by in the office, but you're actually just on your way back from a pointless trip to a mate's desk.
literally same.
the native psychopaths and sociopaths of the office scene found their skills and conquests were blunted by remote work and they needed their victims brought back into the pen to subjugate more in person.
I think one of the main reasons as hinted at in this vid is so that managers etc. don't bear all of the work load AND blame themselves. It's more clear to me than ever that too many managers are just bullies and don't care about their fellow employees
RTO was the final straw that lit a fire under my ass. I polished my resume, got feedback and iterated multiple drafts with colleagues in the industry, and have been sending out 3-4 applications with cover letters every day.
Bosses only want RTO, so they can go back to having workers under their thumb.
I like not having to worry about dealing with my boss in person and nosey coworkers
They easily can convert offices to residential. Only issue is with the huge downtown high rise building, apparently it's more cost effectively to tear them down and rebuild the building then repurpose the piping system
Working from home with increased productivity then you force all your employees to come back to the office while dangling their jobs(livelihoods) over their heads if they don’t show up
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?!?!?!
Another great video, Joshua!
The logic of turning office buildings into apartments makes sense. However, the cost of doing so is extraordinarily high, in a lot of cases it could require gutting the entire building or tearing it down and rebuilding it which is not economically feasible. The reason is all the internal infrastructure such as plumbing, gas lines, electrical, etc.. if it wasn’t for the cost, there will be a lot of real estate investors rubbing their hands on the collapsing commercial real estate. It would be easier to convert those office buildings into storage units.
People leave their employer to get a job where they don't have to come to the office as often.
Employers who don't adapt will learn this the hard way
right
Or maybe you'll realize wfh is a fad and employers are still going to make you work how they want eventually
You’re one of my favorite channels on RUclips and you do a great job being creative throughout the years and informing the people about corporate corruption and BS
I was laid off from Formerly Facebook after I signed a brand new contract. To get rid of me they put me on probation for 2 weeks and doubled my metrics to hit to guarantee I won’t pass. I sacrificed my health to that company and they preached being a family everyday
Salute to you Sir (Josh) 🤙😇😎
I appreciate this kind of content so much
Would be great if you could do something on unemployment. So many companies and laying off thousands and I know from people around me it’s horrible.
But they are lying about the economy and unemployment being low.
When you ignore 10 million able bodied men who are not looking for work, or the hundreds of thousands who were displaced by not taking the jab when their companies were bribed into forcing it, you get Bidenomics
The latter very true. I got unemployment pretty quick, but the job market sucks and fake job ads.
This is the best job market in history. My employer can’t find qualified workers as no one wants to work anymore. You should be able to find a new role within a week
@@timothygibney159 yeah totally. Wages are way up and there are so many jobs that when you go on LinkedIn there are zero applicants.
Before your Keeps ad i was already thinking your hair was looking pretty good. Way to go man!
I tried the IT sector for a while, studied CCNA and CCNP and worked as a junior network engineer. What a joke,, so much bullshit. I'm now back working with gardening, atleast the plants shut up, no chair race and no cubicals.
You're an inspiration Josh. Although i havent reached the same level of independence as you, the steps i have made have been because of you, thank you!
Ok three days a week I would kill for. Im in the trades and am headed towards working 14 days straight (Utility company). BUT... I have a reason to be there. Not just playing games and screwing around. When I go to work its for a reason.
I came up with a revolutionary team building exercise that will make all employees excited to go back to the office. MMA cage match with management, one round per ever 15 minutes wasted on commuting.
I've never been lucky enough to have a WFH job. I would think if the employees are perfoming, meeting goals, and otherwise doing the job they were hired for, then what is the problem? Gas, lunch, parking, commuting all take a big chunk from an already low paycheck, so I'm not understanding why these companies want their employees to be stressed out before they even clock in. It absolutely sucks to commute. I was driving 45 minutes one way, and then 45 minutes in the evening back home. I hated it.
My employer owns the office buildings. During the pandemic - until the spring of 2022, I worked exclusively remotely while they were remodeling the building to convert it into an open office space that can accommodate only 80% of the employees. Then they asked us to be in the office once a week (or in total 4 times per month, very flexible) out of fear that other departments that don't have such nice offices will demand to occupy them. Then, they installed low resolution cameras above each desk of the open office space (claiming that the cameras cannot recognize face features) to monitor attendance. It is confusing. On the one hand, they seem to be relaxed with RTO and on the other hand they install cameras. I do not know what to expect next.
You can expect a "productivity" report and them telling you that you've been on the toilette too often/long..
Well said Josh!
Office makes anyone soooo soo tired. Its not about work but everything else like colleagues. I have the worst colleagues
How about this. If you force your employees to work at the office when they can just as easily work remote, then commuting time is work time. Either you get overtime pay for the time it takes to commute or your time commuting each day is part of your 8 hour work schedule.
The production outpu is usually 50-75% in office landscape compared to other organisation methods (like single office).
If you have 1 hour each way in comuneting, you can go down quite a lot in salary and get a local job and get more time (and lower cost to the to and back from your job).
Many companies does not understand that there is a world outside, and that this world is changing, in a way they can not control. They can adapt, though. The ones who do adapt will be the ones who wins in the long term. The other will decline.
I see your point. It's your long-term approach after all. I am on the fence though, because I think that being in the office makes you a member of the visible team - making your potential dismissal a loss to the rest. In the age of wild AI implementation it might be the job saving factor for some.
As if coworker would care. They're just happy their ar$e didn't get fired.
"Give the peasants pizza parties and team building activities and they'll never rebel."
It is about control and shareholder profits - companies could save so much money by not paying office rents. My last boss mandated rto 5 days a week - I quit within a month.
I’m really starting to think this is all about control.
Managers once again demonstrating they are so overworked they have time to organise this nonsense.
I'll live poor and no job before I ever RTO
Obviously there are some jobs that cant be done work from home. Baristas cant pour amazing latte art from home, line men and women cant fix power lines remotely, catching fish needs skilled sailors. you know what doesn't need in person input? The 5th meeting today taking me away from ironing out tickets on why people cant access the company website. That is actual money being wasted by something we own being down. I can fix it almost anywhere so long as I have internet access. The iron grip they want over me, stifles my performance to treat the issue we have like the puzzle it is that I get paid to fix. And the in office meetings hurt that tremendously.
Every rule has its own exception. These are textbook examples of onsite jobs.
Let's be real their are no line women.
I also love your point about conversion of office space into apartments. The people who need to return to work are the delinquent commercial loan debtors who just want their profits to remain the same. They need to get back to work converting their real estate to meet the current market demand.
A chair race!
WOW
That'll really get me to come into the office🤣
This is why I wish the US would have the unionization rates it did back in our grandparents time where we could bargain for WFH as part of the contract.
Wouldn’t make any difference. I’m in Europe and the same thing is happening here.
@@wulfsorenson8859 Interesting. Are unions not pushing back and including some remote flexibility as a must-have in negotiations?
@@sgs8747 definitely not. It’s mostly hybrid now or back to the office.
It seems like opening a studies consultancy might be a good career move.
I can offer to run multiple studies for a fee that aren’t being read.
Or the companies don’t want to implement the strong recommendations given 😮!!!
The studies that were done last year are so outdated, so a new study is suggested. 😂
Putting my presentations together 💰🤑💵
2:01 These people need a paycheck to feed their families, but have to be treated like children to get it. Sucks when you get trapped and can't tell the company to buzz off and they know it.
I don’t think a study was needed for this. It’s like doing a study that the sky is blue, water is wet…
The conversion from commercial to residential is more complex as each unit needs plumbling which is more limited than starting to build from scratch. Not everything is willing to live in a condo/apartment rather they want a single family house (unless everyone is just single or couple with no children).
For centuries, majority of People were basically working from Home, you were born, your Parents raised you, you took up the work that your Father or Mother were doing for a living, maybe a Farm, maybe a Blacksmith, maybe a Merchant, etc..., and you continued the Family legacy.
Then, Industrial Revolution hit, and our modern system of working from office, 9 to 5, Mon-Fri etc., all came out of the industrialization of West.
And now, thanks to the Internet, we can go back to working from Home, at least the People whose work can be done via a Computer or Phone. But, these old boomer corporations are still stuck in the past, they want that micro managerial class and control over their employees.
Thankfully, Remote work is here to stay, these office real estate market is about to crash hard.
Return to the office will encourage some people to leave the workforce. Some will start businesses, some will retire and do ... whatever retired people do. It's a sad dystopian world we are headed into.
You’ll definitely never be able to convert an office into an apartment without fully re-engineering all of the plumbing and electrical.