@@CountryFreshChameleon get a 2020 or newer kx. The ergonomics, the suspension, the handling all feel like that 06 to 08 Honda. Never owned a kx in my life until now either. Was actually not a fan of them
@@alanpectol902 I feel the same way only kawi I've had was a 110, was looking for another 08 but have to check out the kx's.. mad now cause u just turned down a 21 on trade
I think Matt Phillips said he felt something like that (KTM shifting focus to other sports) when he switched from ktm to Sherco in the world enduro. I’ll have to look up his interview.
Just for fun I would love to see a full outdoor season of moto 1 everyone's on bone stock oem bike not a single part changed just suspension adjustment allowed and moto 2 be the open class where they can do everything they can do now. Would be fun to see if and how results change. It will never happen, just think it would be awesome to watch
@@blisterfist2761 ya exactly when I raced pro snocross back in my prime we had stock and mod class it was awesome. Can't imagine how fun it would be to watch at this level
Small town Lifestyle Best Idea I have heard in awhile! Honestly they should run Mod Class first then Moto 2 is the stock class where points are slightly tweaked higher per position and 2-1 score weigh more for overall winner
It was not just James, it was the factory team. James bad mouthed the bike and left. But then Yamaha started the factory effort back up, and due to their poor technical management and bike development, made the bike look worse than it was till they threw in the towel and let Star be the factory team.
Team Yamaha killed the YZ450 sales. They didnt know how to set up their own motorcycle. Finally, they give their race program up to Star racing and behold, a Star is born.
JGR did some good work with those 450's. Truman and Jamey spent lots of time on both bikes, Ross and his guys work is still being used/tested. Congrats to Star Racing for continuing to make the YZ450 a much better bike and the much appreciated YZ250 programs continuing success. "Like days of yore, Honda and Yamaha, up front once more" #HRC276
Yamaha NZ and Yamaha Aus had success on 450 on the 10-13 models. Was mainly US team that struggled. Europe team had success on the next platform with Febvre.
KTM is doing a great job of marketing their bikes but they are actually going backwards as far as quality of stock bikes being sold at the dealerships. Shocked at the problems I’m seeing guys have at the track with their 2022 KTM’s.
Im no JS fanboy, but lets be real. He didnt kill that bikes sales, the bike did. It felt like a damn waverunner, and cornered like a train. Couple that with yamaha not having an actual factory team and a terrible market. Thats why their sales tanked.
The Kawasaki is kinda dated. Like not that it isn’t competitive, it is, but as far as the bikes development is probably the most dated except the Suzuki
Yeah the frame, the geometry on the Honda was conservative and easy to ride across the board for a lot of people. It did a lot of things well and was predictable
@@leethomas556 Well that definitely describes the Kawi. I'm more comfortable on my completely stock 2022 KX450 than I was in four seasons of riding my 2018 Husky 350 with custom suspension.
KTMs strategy I think has been working so far. They definitely have been slipping the past couple of years but just like the Yamaha had the shit reputation for years, everyone will remember KTM’s quality in spite of their race results for years to come. They could screw it all up fast though if they have outspoken riders crashing all the time, willing to speak out on their frustrations with the bike like James was
Fast riders can be fast on your grandma’s ATC 200, your kid’s cobra, your neighbor’s grom, or the newest works bike. Gotta feel it. Brappity Brap Mofos! Testing out a new one… “Zipppp” - Varg -CY Castor
You can put aftermarket parts on any bike and make it worse than stock.. but as far as Yamaha sales they never really went backwards on sales. They always seemed to move bikes fast.
The public watches the pros and makes their judgment of a motorcycle based on their results (very stupid, but majority of population are stupid) Factory Yamaha got screwed for a decade while Jim Perry and his fat Goons ran that team/bike/brand into the ground, the yz450f has been a good bike since 2014 (Febvre won a mxgp world championship on it)and a great bike since 2018 (same platform as current) Star Yamaha have an amazing Team and that is why they are winning everything, KTM are having no joy at the moment that is a team problem, not a bike problem. I think Decoster and Baker's reign has come to an end.
Im a big fan but i don't give a fuck what the winner is riding or what bike blows up your bike should be what fits you and whats comfortable for YOU so your right only an idiot would get a bike because they are a fan of a certain guy lame
I have to disagree about the bike not being a problem at ktm. In both mxgp and America they have only 1 win in the premier class. Even Malcolm and Hampshire have both complained about the husky as well. Malcolm hated the bike at the beginning of supercross. You could even tell he wasn't great in the whoops on that bike. Hampshire is still complaining the bike is garbage. Marvin, Webb, ac222, and plessinger have said they all struggle to get the bike settings right
Star have come across a formula that currently works great.they have done a massive amount of work on the Yam,and their laid-back (flexible is probably a better word) attitude seems to be refreshing for riders, and allows them to try pretty much any setup they,thus allowing them to enjoy riding the bike. KTM seems to have hit a wall in terms of getting a great setup. Whether that's down to management not working with the riders enough,or feedback from the riders themselves,I couldn't tell you. It definitely appears to be a combination of bike AND rider/management.
Well between 03 and 11 No one wanted to ride KTM in supecross and they did not really have the greatest years with Rodriguez in the 450 class in the nationals, some years later Wey and Travis Preston did not really feel comfy, and the whole outsourced yo MDK having the factory effort with Laninovich, Brayton, but yeah the counterpart Alessi and Langston, Hughes, and Europés David Philippaerts, De Reuver, Townley and Rattray did really well in the outdoors in the lights class, Tortelli did not really have a great year in the mxgp main class, Alessi did however ride really good in the outdoors 2007 behind Stew and Ricky and than in 2010 the whole Cairoli era started. But Suzuki letting Roger and Ian go was decisive in a way to elevate the brand into supecross potential. But the R&D department did really benefit of snagging Stefan Everts after retirement, that was definitly a golden move and 5 years later having De Coster/ Harrisson and to bring the first megastar to the brand in N.A for the 450 class giving Dungey everything KTM 8 years earlier promised McGrath (Langston) a bike with the linkage. But yeah in regards of the youth academy they seem to make it similar to what Suzuki did, so many quality riders but for whatever reason they let them go. Star and Team green is doing a better job there for sure.
I have a '10 KX450 and have been a green rider for a long time (i had a '14 KX450 but lost it in a fire). Hit the local CMX in George WA and rode by buddies 16 YZ450 and felt i could put it anywhere i wanted. could turn down anywhere and it tracked....may need to change colors when i buy my new bike,,,,
I went from Kawasaki to Yamaha and never looked back. I seriously dropped 2 seconds a lap off my first ride on the Yamaha. Have a buddy we were about the same speed. I could not pass him on my Kawasaki. First day on the Yamaha I could catch him, pass with ease, and then leave him. Felt so great on the bike and could put it anywhere.
KTM should be wary of this “all in thing “ and not lose sight of their riders wants and needs. These days Ducati has the biggest budget in MotoGP- No question. How’s their results been? Do you remember when they had the smallest budget and got winning results in Superbike? Now they’re all in on millions of bits of telemetry, fluid dynamics’s , hundreds of hours in the tunnel. You’ve got the best bikes in the field right? Well,, Maybe not what their rider wants. Just ask Miller and Stoner.
Sleetdawg is great what a well speaking guy great storys....grest interview....im a racer...RR an MX an if i didnt have A D D real bad id go to the full interview...but i gotta go skate the nrw 14 foot pool in tampa an bike for an hour drink 2 more gallons of coffee im so busy but thanks awsum chat...
Deegan has sold more bikes than most if not all pros . He also bringing in new blood . Social media is the selling point . The manufacturers have to embrace the new way to sell bikes and Mav tv ain’t it . No casual or sport outsider can see it ect . They need to take a page out of deegans book and start taking the helmets off these guys and go from there . Barcia starting to do it right , build a social media presence then show the racing ect .
Have to disagree, James was going James speed on a bike that could not function at James speed. Even he admitted that he told Yamaha, it isn't working. You are comparing lots of apples to oranges. Team mindsets and self inflicted restrictions, where STAR has kicked that sink out and said, we're doing it right. Rider capabilities and HOW they ride the bike. I race the 450 B class and some of my Yamaha competitors rock the Blu, others can't get the bike to turn to save their life. I absolutely knew E3 was going to give the bike a great showing by the way he rode. E3 admitted that Kawi had restrictions, they weren't willing to try this or that, STAR said come on over, let us show you what being flexible and focused is about. KTM needs to remember how they got where they are, they are losing sight of that.
@@eric6rock yeah because KTM understand that 2strokes sell. Idk what honda suzuki and Kawasaki were thinking when they stopped making 2strokes. They deserve to lose sales
Click bait!! You seriously can’t compare the old bike to the current bike!! Also, the level of riding that James rode that bike, no offence, let’s get someone of the same caliber to critique.
I had a 10 or 11 YZ450 and some laps it was a great bike then I'd be on the ground not knowing what the heck happened. After a couple of months of that and a big get off I sold it and never looked back. I'm sure they are great now but back then it was a different story. Yamaha did all this backwards stuff and for what? Centralized mass??? Well hell I sure couldn't feel it. I rode a 20 recently and it's a good bike but didn't find anything amazing about it compared to other bikes...??
If Raj needs an asst. to take care of young groupies and show them around the hauler, I'm available. Raj can then focus on younger talent and bike issues to get KTM back on top. #KTMwingMAN #theDUDE
Wait Jase said the Kawi is an 08 Honda with a hydraulic clutch? Clearly I haven't been in this for long enough because idk what he's talking about. So a Kawi is basically an 2008 Honda?
@@gawdszn302 So can you take a 2008 CRF450R and put a 2022 Kawi engine in it? Or is more like they copy elements of the 2008 Honda? And they're just very similar but still completely different bikes.
I've loved sleeter and his input since he joined the gypsy gang, but can we get a breathing guard on his mic please.... dude sounds like darth Vader in the background. Lol
True with ktm but the bikes an the japanese brands have said its time to get technical an start getting their market that they owned for so long back....so we are back to serious battle of bike buildin comp...between the big for again....japanese bikes....sadly as good as ktm was i still think they didnt win over america as good as they were in mx an sx
My first bike was a yz80. best mini from 87? I rode it longer than the Cr kids whipped it on balwin lake....DP was like how you doing that? Yommomahonda 🖕kawaii
@infoslinger Suzuki was faster in a stra8 line. 87 yamahas are more reliable and way easier to ride. it was smaller and about 10 miles slower than honda...That suzuki was a pile of banana shit!
Na I dont buy it with the theory about ktms mx effort. So youre saying they went out and developed a whole new bike in order to try less? Makes 0 sense. Especially when they were already winning sx with the old bike what would be the point of changing if not to get better? If they were backing off it would have made way more sense to stay on the winning bike with years of data cuz then it would be way cheaper to coast off what they already have. Then they could put in less effort cuz the bike is already there. Building a whole new 450 and soon to be 250 takes millions of r&d to design and develop. Suzuki is showing what you do if youre just gonna coast off an old tried and tested design for years. You literally have one of the big manufacturers in the class showing what coasting off old r&d looks like and its not what ktms doing.
You're missing the obvious. They could have put lots of money into a new bike that turned out worse than the one it replaced. Every manufacturer has done that at some time.
The bike was trash. You can’t blame James. I’m sorry this is a bad take, you’re comparing an 08 Yamaha to Justin coppers bike. Sleeter is a B class rider of course any bike will feel good for you. He has one speed …. SLOW
@@GYPSYTALES yeah the point the comments are making is that James had minimal to do with it. Win sunday, Sell monday. If James was on a different bike and no Yamahas were close to being competitive race after race, the sales would still drop ridiculously.
You are better than that. The bike was not good at all. They were still trying to figure it out after years on the platform James was honest Normally you got the pulse right. Jace went all clickbait on us on this one ☝️. I’ll give it a pass because he’s normally doing great things !
I think everyone missed the actual point here. James killed the sales of that bike, because we expected him to keep winning and he couldn’t. Hence that killed sales. We say nothing negative about James as a rider?
@@GYPSYTALES i see where you could feel that way, fair enough. Love your take and flow on content no doubt, maybe this piece could start a collab video w bubbas world 😳. You both can showcase Keep grinding. Don’t take it to heart. We all know you work hard to stay above the line and do it well!
the fact the video starts off James killed Yamahas makes me go wtf😂 if you make a shit product that is what hurts your sales not the guy trying to promote it. if someone pays me to sell a piece of shit but at the end of the day its still shit how is it my fault people dont want it. Also there are people who buy a bike because the fastest man on the planet rides it regardless of what people say about it so this notion James hurt sales is mind blowing to me
@@Andy-co6pn Tell me you've never ridded a Suzuki, w/o telling me you've never ridded a Suzuki... It's 90% Rider and it's a 20% savings. you wrong nubs
@@oosteveo315 90% rider, great stuff, until you crash and have to kick the hot pig into life near the end of the moto. No thanks, unless someone was paying me to ride.
The Yamaha was just an excuse for James. He was already in decline. Just look back at the Suzuki era and RC won multiple championships on a Suzuki. Then CR won an outdoor championship on a Suzuki. Then James gets on same proven bike and team and doesn't do squat.
Yamaha didn't build a shit bike the team couldn't make it what James wanted, all production bikes are made to a budget and very similar in performance and quality. Teams provide the tools for riders to win championships, don't believe the hype
@@Yz250fx highly doubt they're all similar in performance and quality. Hence why factory teams always win and a privateer who does the mechanics job setting the bike himself to exactly how he wants it. Still struggles to be competitive. I personally think that yamaha and honda are a massive step up in performance this year. Even in supercross Sexton was able to get his honda pulling away comfortably.
To say Stewert killed Yamaha 450 sales is stupid. He was a proven winner on other brands. The Yamaha team did a piss poor job on developing the bike and JGR couldn't make a winner out of a poorly developed bike no matter how much money or effort they put into it.
Best mx podcast out there. Sleeter is the man
Appreciate the humility from Jase and Sleeter. Not an ounce of hubris in 3-hours. Carry on GT, we'll keep watching.
Very good guest and pod as well. Stay on it
What Mike said about old management definitely applies to America.🔥
Hey i like my "08 honda with a hydraulic clutch" lol that was my exact impression of my 2021 kx450
Damn I'm intrigued now, can't beat the 06-08 crf450s
@@CountryFreshChameleon get a 2020 or newer kx. The ergonomics, the suspension, the handling all feel like that 06 to 08 Honda. Never owned a kx in my life until now either. Was actually not a fan of them
@@alanpectol902 I feel the same way only kawi I've had was a 110, was looking for another 08 but have to check out the kx's.. mad now cause u just turned down a 21 on trade
I still love my ‘19 YZ450. Yamaha did an amazing job on that generation. Can’t wait to see what they unveil for 2023 model.
I think Matt Phillips said he felt something like that (KTM shifting focus to other sports) when he switched from ktm to Sherco in the world enduro. I’ll have to look up his interview.
Just for fun I would love to see a full outdoor season of moto 1 everyone's on bone stock oem bike not a single part changed just suspension adjustment allowed and moto 2 be the open class where they can do everything they can do now. Would be fun to see if and how results change.
It will never happen, just think it would be awesome to watch
Just like mini's do it. Stock class and model class
Modified class. Sorry
@@blisterfist2761 ya exactly when I raced pro snocross back in my prime we had stock and mod class it was awesome. Can't imagine how fun it would be to watch at this level
Small town Lifestyle Best Idea I have heard in awhile! Honestly they should run Mod Class first then Moto 2 is the stock class where points are slightly tweaked higher per position and 2-1 score weigh more for overall winner
It was not just James, it was the factory team. James bad mouthed the bike and left. But then Yamaha started the factory effort back up, and due to their poor technical management and bike development, made the bike look worse than it was till they threw in the towel and let Star be the factory team.
Team Yamaha killed the YZ450 sales. They didnt know how to set up their own motorcycle. Finally, they give their race program up to Star racing and behold, a Star is born.
JGR did some good work with those 450's. Truman and Jamey spent lots of time on both bikes, Ross and his guys work is still being used/tested. Congrats to Star Racing for continuing to make the YZ450 a much better bike and the much appreciated YZ250 programs continuing success. "Like days of yore, Honda and Yamaha, up front once more" #HRC276
Yamaha NZ and Yamaha Aus had success on 450 on the 10-13 models. Was mainly US team that struggled. Europe team had success on the next platform with Febvre.
James was the only one to win on the YZ450 for a long time lol
Romain Febvre won world championship in 2015 with the YZ450F, and 3 time MXDN winner on the same bike...
Pretty sure Millsaps won on the same bike that James slated didn't he? Anaheim I believe?
@@carlstanton2550 I'm talking a championship not 1 race
@@johnnybgood774 in that case, you are correct for stateside titles,but worldwide the bike was successful as you probably know.
I have to admit that KTM is awesome but I hate to hear about the cost. Awesome video.
Can I ask or could you do a podcast on why suzuki arnt delivering anything? And more info on the new triumph bike.
KTM is doing a great job of marketing their bikes but they are actually going backwards as far as quality of stock bikes being sold at the dealerships. Shocked at the problems I’m seeing guys have at the track with their 2022 KTM’s.
Im no JS fanboy, but lets be real. He didnt kill that bikes sales, the bike did. It felt like a damn waverunner, and cornered like a train. Couple that with yamaha not having an actual factory team and a terrible market. Thats why their sales tanked.
Why did he say the new Kawi is "an '08 Honda with a hydraulic clutch"? Can someone elaborate?
The Kawasaki is kinda dated. Like not that it isn’t competitive, it is, but as far as the bikes development is probably the most dated except the Suzuki
The frame
Yeah the frame, the geometry on the Honda was conservative and easy to ride across the board for a lot of people. It did a lot of things well and was predictable
@@leethomas556 Well that definitely describes the Kawi. I'm more comfortable on my completely stock 2022 KX450 than I was in four seasons of riding my 2018 Husky 350 with custom suspension.
KTM came out with the first ever production fuel injected two stroke so think you are off a lil. thats huge for the 65, 85, & 125 classes
KTMs strategy I think has been working so far. They definitely have been slipping the past couple of years but just like the Yamaha had the shit reputation for years, everyone will remember KTM’s quality in spite of their race results for years to come. They could screw it all up fast though if they have outspoken riders crashing all the time, willing to speak out on their frustrations with the bike like James was
Weirdly enough that 2010-13 YZ450f was one of my all time favorites after i put a ProCircuit linkage in it. Fixed the quirky handling.
Yeah funny that, fastest I ever was was on a 11 YZ450
Even Barcia said the stock YZ was better than the factory bike.
I remember an interview with Stewart or Ricky where Stewart was testing for Honda and that was Stewart's favorite bike
That man Gypsy at 100k lesgooooo
Fast riders can be fast on your grandma’s ATC 200, your kid’s cobra, your neighbor’s grom, or the newest works bike. Gotta feel it.
Brappity Brap Mofos!
Testing out a new one…
“Zipppp” - Varg
-CY Castor
How did James Stewart Killed Yamaha 450 Sales?
I want to hear something about Suzuki’s Gypsy
Imo, I did notice KTM dropping off the map in, when Deegan went with Yamaha.
You can put aftermarket parts on any bike and make it worse than stock.. but as far as Yamaha sales they never really went backwards on sales. They always seemed to move bikes fast.
The public watches the pros and makes their judgment of a motorcycle based on their results (very stupid, but majority of population are stupid) Factory Yamaha got screwed for a decade while Jim Perry and his fat Goons ran that team/bike/brand into the ground, the yz450f has been a good bike since 2014 (Febvre won a mxgp world championship on it)and a great bike since 2018 (same platform as current) Star Yamaha have an amazing Team and that is why they are winning everything, KTM are having no joy at the moment that is a team problem, not a bike problem. I think Decoster and Baker's reign has come to an end.
Im a big fan but i don't give a fuck what the winner is riding or what bike blows up your bike should be what fits you and whats comfortable for YOU so your right only an idiot would get a bike because they are a fan of a certain guy lame
I have to disagree about the bike not being a problem at ktm. In both mxgp and America they have only 1 win in the premier class. Even Malcolm and Hampshire have both complained about the husky as well. Malcolm hated the bike at the beginning of supercross. You could even tell he wasn't great in the whoops on that bike. Hampshire is still complaining the bike is garbage. Marvin, Webb, ac222, and plessinger have said they all struggle to get the bike settings right
Star have come across a formula that currently works great.they have done a massive amount of work on the Yam,and their laid-back (flexible is probably a better word) attitude seems to be refreshing for riders, and allows them to try pretty much any setup they,thus allowing them to enjoy riding the bike.
KTM seems to have hit a wall in terms of getting a great setup. Whether that's down to management not working with the riders enough,or feedback from the riders themselves,I couldn't tell you. It definitely appears to be a combination of bike AND rider/management.
Well between 03 and 11 No one wanted to ride KTM in supecross and they did not really have the greatest years with Rodriguez in the 450 class in the nationals, some years later Wey and Travis Preston did not really feel comfy, and the whole outsourced yo MDK having the factory effort with Laninovich, Brayton, but yeah the counterpart Alessi and Langston, Hughes, and Europés David Philippaerts, De Reuver, Townley and Rattray did really well in the outdoors in the lights class, Tortelli did not really have a great year in the mxgp main class, Alessi did however ride really good in the outdoors 2007 behind Stew and Ricky and than in 2010 the whole Cairoli era started.
But Suzuki letting Roger and Ian go was decisive in a way to elevate the brand into supecross potential. But the R&D department did really benefit of snagging Stefan Everts after retirement, that was definitly a golden move and 5 years later having De Coster/ Harrisson and to bring the first megastar to the brand in N.A for the 450 class giving Dungey everything KTM 8 years earlier promised McGrath (Langston) a bike with the linkage.
But yeah in regards of the youth academy they seem to make it similar to what Suzuki did, so many quality riders but for whatever reason they let them go. Star and Team green is doing a better job there for sure.
I have a '10 KX450 and have been a green rider for a long time (i had a '14 KX450 but lost it in a fire). Hit the local CMX in George WA and rode by buddies 16 YZ450 and felt i could put it anywhere i wanted. could turn down anywhere and it tracked....may need to change colors when i buy my new bike,,,,
Love my 2016 yz450
I went from Kawasaki to Yamaha and never looked back. I seriously dropped 2 seconds a lap off my first ride on the Yamaha. Have a buddy we were about the same speed. I could not pass him on my Kawasaki. First day on the Yamaha I could catch him, pass with ease, and then leave him. Felt so great on the bike and could put it anywhere.
@@jeffstuart4424 Damn ,what an awesome story. You have me wanting to get back into riding!
KTM should be wary of this “all in thing “ and not lose sight of their riders wants and needs. These days Ducati has the biggest budget in MotoGP- No question. How’s their results been? Do you remember when they had the smallest budget and got winning results in Superbike? Now they’re all in on millions of bits of telemetry, fluid dynamics’s , hundreds of hours in the tunnel. You’ve got the best bikes in the field right? Well,, Maybe not what their rider wants. Just ask Miller and Stoner.
Sleetdawg is great what a well speaking guy great storys....grest interview....im a racer...RR an MX an if i didnt have A D D real bad id go to the full interview...but i gotta go skate the nrw 14 foot pool in tampa an bike for an hour drink 2 more gallons of coffee im so busy but thanks awsum chat...
Deegan has sold more bikes than most if not all pros . He also bringing in new blood . Social media is the selling point . The manufacturers have to embrace the new way to sell bikes and Mav tv ain’t it . No casual or sport outsider can see it ect . They need to take a page out of deegans book and start taking the helmets off these guys and go from there . Barcia starting to do it right , build a social media presence then show the racing ect .
Have to disagree, James was going James speed on a bike that could not function at James speed. Even he admitted that he told Yamaha, it isn't working.
You are comparing lots of apples to oranges. Team mindsets and self inflicted restrictions, where STAR has kicked that sink out and said, we're doing it right.
Rider capabilities and HOW they ride the bike. I race the 450 B class and some of my Yamaha competitors rock the Blu, others can't get the bike to turn to save their life.
I absolutely knew E3 was going to give the bike a great showing by the way he rode. E3 admitted that Kawi had restrictions, they weren't willing to try this or that, STAR said come on over, let us show you what being flexible and focused is about.
KTM needs to remember how they got where they are, they are losing sight of that.
KTM won and created a financially successful company. Now they out sell Yamaha, Suzuki and Honda combined.
KTM is more expansive with their lines of motorcycles Mx, Enduro, Trails, adventure bikes, and sport bikes.
@@eric6rock yeah because KTM understand that 2strokes sell.
Idk what honda suzuki and Kawasaki were thinking when they stopped making 2strokes. They deserve to lose sales
Click bait!! You seriously can’t compare the old bike to the current bike!! Also, the level of riding that James rode that bike, no offence, let’s get someone of the same caliber to critique.
The bike was still wicked fast, btw Millsaps won Anaheim on the same model
Kawi is basically an '08 Honda? I know nothing about this. Enlighten me?
I had a 10 or 11 YZ450 and some laps it was a great bike then I'd be on the ground not knowing what the heck happened. After a couple of months of that and a big get off I sold it and never looked back. I'm sure they are great now but back then it was a different story. Yamaha did all this backwards stuff and for what? Centralized mass??? Well hell I sure couldn't feel it. I rode a 20 recently and it's a good bike but didn't find anything amazing about it compared to other bikes...??
If Raj needs an asst. to take care of young groupies and show them around the hauler, I'm available. Raj can then focus on younger talent and bike issues to get KTM back on top. #KTMwingMAN #theDUDE
Mercedes problem was focusing on woke activism instead of F1
wokeness killed vettel aswell
Jan Willem vdB yeah he needs to retire and save us all from climate change
Woke activism and winning aren’t related at all.
@@EthanDeanplus neither is your comment
@@Thefailcycle gotta b the stupidest thing I’ve ever read..
Wait Jase said the Kawi is an 08 Honda with a hydraulic clutch? Clearly I haven't been in this for long enough because idk what he's talking about. So a Kawi is basically an 2008 Honda?
Yes they go back & try to improve diff bikes & Copy engines
@@gawdszn302 So can you take a 2008 CRF450R and put a 2022 Kawi engine in it? Or is more like they copy elements of the 2008 Honda? And they're just very similar but still completely different bikes.
@@edwinlomonacofoolsend yes somethings will be different & modified but if its a good engine most will copy them
if u watch mitch paytons interview on whiskey throttle show he talks about all of that
@@edwinlomonacofoolsend
if u watch mitch paytons interview on whiskey throttle show he talks about all of that
I've loved sleeter and his input since he joined the gypsy gang, but can we get a breathing guard on his mic please.... dude sounds like darth Vader in the background. Lol
KTM sold more 2 strokes last year than the big for together sold offroad bikes.
True with ktm but the bikes an the japanese brands have said its time to get technical an start getting their market that they owned for so long back....so we are back to serious battle of bike buildin comp...between the big for again....japanese bikes....sadly as good as ktm was i still think they didnt win over america as good as they were in mx an sx
My first bike was a yz80. best mini from 87? I rode it longer than the Cr kids whipped it on balwin lake....DP was like how you doing that? Yommomahonda 🖕kawaii
@infoslinger Suzuki was faster in a stra8 line. 87 yamahas are more reliable and way easier to ride. it was smaller and about 10 miles slower than honda...That suzuki was a pile of banana shit!
Na I dont buy it with the theory about ktms mx effort. So youre saying they went out and developed a whole new bike in order to try less? Makes 0 sense. Especially when they were already winning sx with the old bike what would be the point of changing if not to get better? If they were backing off it would have made way more sense to stay on the winning bike with years of data cuz then it would be way cheaper to coast off what they already have. Then they could put in less effort cuz the bike is already there. Building a whole new 450 and soon to be 250 takes millions of r&d to design and develop. Suzuki is showing what you do if youre just gonna coast off an old tried and tested design for years. You literally have one of the big manufacturers in the class showing what coasting off old r&d looks like and its not what ktms doing.
You're missing the obvious. They could have put lots of money into a new bike that turned out worse than the one it replaced.
Every manufacturer has done that at some time.
Krazy how u might see two Suzuki’s at a local track
My first ever bike was 92 JR50. Sad to see them not care anymore.
Bringing Vialle in US doesn't fit the narrative who says KTM efforts focused on MotoGP though...
Find a way to get a crusty demons , terrafirma style social media , sell a lifestyle sell a bike
Now Yamaha has deegan
Yamaha japan legend durability number1
millisaps liked bike very much bike was not crap
How many 450 supercross titles does the worlds largest motorcycle mfg have?
shows how much these jokers know, Yamaha has always been top seller.
I will keep my 2007 Suzuki RM-Z 450
I wanna ride,I wanna ride,I wanna ride...
He didn't kill the sales. 10-17 bikes were trash! The dynamics were terrible
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I rode somebody's 450. I hateddd that piece o shit. I was like how do you even ride this thing. It's amazing Bubba could ride that thing at all.
Every factory has its era you can't win them all forever. KTM is still a long way off from winning MotoGP.
Stewart killed Suzuki as well
The bike was trash. You can’t blame James. I’m sorry this is a bad take, you’re comparing an 08 Yamaha to Justin coppers bike. Sleeter is a B class rider of course any bike will feel good for you. He has one speed …. SLOW
We said the bike was trash, and by James being on it and not be able to win… killed their sales.
@@GYPSYTALES yeah the point the comments are making is that James had minimal to do with it.
Win sunday, Sell monday.
If James was on a different bike and no Yamahas were close to being competitive race after race, the sales would still drop ridiculously.
Hasn’t KTM won 2 of the last 4 Supercross championships? Doesn’t seem very IDGAF to me lol
Sorry JGR can’t build motorcycles , plus it’s old news , How about all the bikes he helped to sell .
"That thing was terrible" and right after blame james, do you realize what you just said?
You're not putting two and two together here. The bike sucked, James couldn't win on it, the public also agreed it must be the bike = killed sales.
You are better than that. The bike was not good at all. They were still trying to figure it out after years on the platform
James was honest
Normally you got the pulse right. Jace went all clickbait on us on this one ☝️. I’ll give it a pass because he’s normally doing great things !
I think everyone missed the actual point here. James killed the sales of that bike, because we expected him to keep winning and he couldn’t. Hence that killed sales. We say nothing negative about James as a rider?
@@GYPSYTALES i see where you could feel that way, fair enough. Love your take and flow on content no doubt, maybe this piece could start a collab video w bubbas world 😳. You both can showcase Keep grinding. Don’t take it to heart. We all know you work hard to stay above the line and do it well!
*Tom Vialle*
the fact the video starts off James killed Yamahas makes me go wtf😂 if you make a shit product that is what hurts your sales not the guy trying to promote it. if someone pays me to sell a piece of shit but at the end of the day its still shit how is it my fault people dont want it. Also there are people who buy a bike because the fastest man on the planet rides it regardless of what people say about it so this notion James hurt sales is mind blowing to me
That 450 from 07 to 08 was garbage.
Yamahas? WR’s too?
Suzuki a bad product? Where? It's a VALUE product. And 95% of us would do better to save some cash as our results will be exactly the same...
$1500 buys alot of practice days.
Better off paying the same or less money for a year old ,low hours, KTM/Honda/Yam/Kawi than a brand new but 7 year old design Suzuki .
@@Andy-co6pn Tell me you've never ridded a Suzuki, w/o telling me you've never ridded a Suzuki... It's 90% Rider and it's a 20% savings. you wrong nubs
@@oosteveo315 90% rider, great stuff, until you crash and have to kick the hot pig into life near the end of the moto. No thanks, unless someone was paying me to ride.
The Yamaha was just an excuse for James. He was already in decline.
Just look back at the Suzuki era and RC won multiple championships on a Suzuki. Then CR won an outdoor championship on a Suzuki. Then James gets on same proven bike and team and doesn't do squat.
2010 Yamaha was ass
Oh hell no we can talk selfies anither time nice cleashay beautiful
Yamaha was a pile of crap??? Jesus christ these guys are on crack
Don't blame james, they made a shit bike, get real.
That’s what we said… but James not being able to ride it did kill sales.
Yamaha didn't build a shit bike the team couldn't make it what James wanted, all production bikes are made to a budget and very similar in performance and quality. Teams provide the tools for riders to win championships, don't believe the hype
@@Yz250fx highly doubt they're all similar in performance and quality. Hence why factory teams always win and a privateer who does the mechanics job setting the bike himself to exactly how he wants it. Still struggles to be competitive.
I personally think that yamaha and honda are a massive step up in performance this year. Even in supercross Sexton was able to get his honda pulling away comfortably.
To say Stewert killed Yamaha 450 sales is stupid. He was a proven winner on other brands. The Yamaha team did a piss poor job on developing the bike and JGR couldn't make a winner out of a poorly developed bike no matter how much money or effort they put into it.
Does Red Bull $ have a huge shout in where KTM focus their attention , be that Dakar or MotoGP or SX ?