Bad Magic Systems
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- whenever I’m reading a fantasy story, the one thing, more than anything else, that pulls me out of it and ruins the experience is a bad magic system. also, obviously, this is semi-satirical. i know that pokemon and football truly aren't magic systems. clearly, they're alchemy.
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Aligator magic is commonly reffered to as Gatorade
LMAO
Thank you 😂
*slow clap of respect*
Can someone explain the joke?
(I am not from USA)
@@tidalbow8969I’m not from the USA either but their is a popular sports drink over there called Gatorade and gator is another word for alligator
I came here legitimately seeking counsel on magic systems. Needless to say I was looking for copper and found gold
EXACTLY, Found a gold mine in here
same
yeah, me too
Still need the copper to make my wires though.
😝
Honestly mtg's magic system is more like a particularly unhinged political alignment chart than anything else
That does make sense. The color pie has philosophy behind the elemental imagery and Magic. It is comparable to the alignments in Dungeons and Dragons. Red is chaotic. Black is evil. White is both lawful and good. Technically black is individualist and white is collectivist. That can approximate to evil and good respectively. The remaining colors have a whole new pair of opposites. Green is conservative. Blue is liberal.
@@c.d.dailey8013 I want to throw several punches, but I can't be upset. I would like to calmly and reasonably float that I think your assessment of Green and Blue are DUMB AND STUPID AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR EVEN THINKING LIKE THAT. I AM NO CON, I JUST LIKE GREEN BECAUSE BIG CREATURE GO STOMP AND HAHA WEED TOO ALSO. Thank you for your consideration.
@@c.d.dailey8013by far the collectivism is more problematic in history
@@c.d.dailey8013
Technically, White isn't Good and Black isn't Evil.
White can delve really deeply into Evil territory for the "Greater Good".
Example: The village council from the movie Hot Fuzz.
Black doesn't mind doing Good deeds, so long as it aligns with their interests, such as satisfying their ego.
Example: Justice League's Finale Lex Luthor.
@@c.d.dailey8013 Aside from Red being built on liberal 'do your thing' ideals, while blue is more contemplation rather than implementation, the whole 'good/evil' is a leftover from when white was 'D&D good alignment Cleric' and black was 'Evil alignment Cleric' respectively.
That being said, yeah MtG's color system ultimately aligns more as a 'how my values shape my magical tendencies' than anything even close to an element set.
And no, just because I'm a Black aligned person with some White in there does not significantly shade my views on this... I think.
"How can you have shadowland without shadow?"
It sounds similar to how we have cargo but it was huge ass boats instead of cars.
That actually ended up forming its on class, called: Shipping...
meanwhile we have shipments, which are on cars instead of ships
Cargo? Car go where?
@@coalkingryan881cargo space?
@@WaYRt Car no do that, car no fly!
“What the fuck is alligator magic?”
*Florida man appeared*
Time to make a hard magic system based on reptiles
Curse me for thinking this would be real advice
Mate, same. Halfway through i was wait, is he actually gonna say anything about what bad magic *actually* is and things to look out for to avoid creating such magic
@@Soa_Tuvake I got really frustrated with the pokemon thing until I realized it was all a joke
relatable
@@honeybeerose4108 wait... IT WAS ALL A JOKE??!
I thought only the football part was a joke.
Curse my autism.
Hey, some of us don't believe in the earth! There are dozens of us!
In Harry Potter it's actually stated canonically that you can perform magic without a wand, but most wizards use wands because it's much easier. Harry Potter, for example, didn't have a wand in many scenes where he did magic, such as when he made the glass vanish from existence or when he inflated his aunt into a balloon and made her fly off into space and suffocate from the lack of oxygen
This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
@@youcantbeatk7006 Which guy? Me? You dare challenge me? Are you talking about Catherine Romanov? Who are you talking about? If you're talking about me I'll shove the Harry Potter wiki up your throat, and if you aren't, I will calmy leave the room so I can play more video games for sixteen decades straight.
@@utubeiskaren7796 Holy Based
🤓
@@matejondrejka6470 Ignorance is no virtue.
I don't know who wrote Football but they really need a proofreader cuz that magic system is all over the place
You mean Inazuma eleven?
@@SebastiansSebastian-fc4pjdamn, you beat me to it
3:34 Fighting magic is actually super common in Asian fantasy genres like Murim and Wuxia.
Ki, chi, aura and mana? Your basic gamer sweat that gives DBZ strenght huh..
@@SebastiansSebastian-fc4pj ???
@@tristanmisja punching but glowing and stronger. Or magic range punch
You managed to offend me and make me laugh all at the same time
I hate the "darkness" element in a lot of fiction. Because its always got some of the weirdest shit featured in and none of of it actually relates to darkness. Ironically it also seems like the actual magic relating to darkness is so underused in their own "element" compared to random shit like poison and blood manipulation that it's hardly "darkness" at all. At that point it's just "evil shit we threw together because we're lazy"
It's generally a pretty good gauge of a power system along with how they use pyromancy.
Most of "dark" it's just normal magic but painted in black.
Like dark fire, dark normal laser, dark magic ball, dark teleport
@@cesar6447 that too
In japan the work for "dark" is also a synonym for the word evil.
Example: the word "dark" used in "dark-type" pokemon can also translate to "evil".
So in manga and anime it makes sense that dark magic functions as evil magic.
But I do think it would make more sense to translate "dark magic" as "black magic".
@JordanDamian Makes sense
Though admittedly it looks bizarre in translation due to all the random shit lumped into "dark" magic
What if "dark magic" was just an application of light magic. That is, directing the light or whatever in the local area away from a specified region in order to create a relative absence of light?
I have an idea for a magic system I'm making for my manga inspired comic series, its really complicated but basically you control this substance called ancestral energy which centers around the fact that everything in existence had a previous state of being and how it builds up over time. People who use it are called sorcery casters and the spells they use are called miracles. It also has like three main elements those being nature, mysticism and the cosmos. Nature is basically natural elements like fire, water and animals, mysticism is basically bringing man made things fictional or otherwise into reality like for example summoning a train or a dragon and cosmos centers on space and time making portals and is basically the most over powered of the three. They all come from these three chakra like cores in your body, nature is in the physical core located in the stomach and symbolic of our literal bodily connection with the planet, mysticism is located in the spiritual core which is in the heart and symbolic of mankinds religious and philosophical desires and inventions and cosmos is located in the mental core in the head and symbolic of us thinking about what our place is in the universe and our existential questions and anxieties outside of the world we know. I think its a pretty cool idea and idk if anyone has used this concept before, perhaps I'm the first.
Isn't mysticism and nature basically the same tho?
I believe everyone has something similar in their minds before writing. Your system is akin to my system, but the issue arises when you start writing and things get out of control. At that moment, you want to try to simplify things because everything seems so convenient, and in the end, you have a system with too many shortcomings and contradictions.
@@voidbiteI guess yes since mytsticim is basically using your imagination and you could cast nature powers with it, but as a limitation it could be something like any nature power is stronger than nature casts made with mysticism. Just an idea tho.
@@joaquindiaz15Do you have any history made with your system power? I'm curious since I'm kinda trying to make one and I would like to see some amateur examples.
@@migrak15 Yes, I do have a novel, and it's even using the same system that I mentioned is difficult to manage. I've tried making numerous modifications to simplify it and fit it into my story. I've stopped worrying as much about whether it will make sense before writing and have resolved problems as they arise; otherwise, I'd end up writing nothing. However, I can't send it to you because it's written in Spanish and currently only consists of 5 chapters (approximately 13,000 words). I plan to translate it into English, but since I usually make many changes, it would require writing twice the amount if I do so.
On another note, there are several Discord servers with amateur writers sharing their stories. I recommend checking them out, although most have many spelling mistakes or significant issues with writing, and they often only have one or two chapters before abandoning their work. However, it's a good way to understand what kinds of beginnings can either bore or captivate you. Personally, I dislike heavy beginnings; I prefer something more serene and gradual, preferably with a touch of comedy at the start. Also, you can help by leaving feedback on their works, they are quite pleasant.
When I translate some chapters, if you're still interested, I can come back to this comment and send them to you. I usually write for my friends, but if you'd like to read it, I don't have any issues, though it might be available by next month.
"I ain't never heard of no Earth _deniers."_
Wait... wait a second...
I think drugs would be a great magic system.
Casting these spells would be like taking all the drugs.
I hate that your right....
I have a dnd system where slimes are turned into drugs that can be injected for magical abilities.
@@drewlevy9557 . Okay that sounds AWESOME!!!!!!!!
But how much of the D&D story and lore is actually part of the game rather than made up by the players?
@@drewlevy9557 . I wonder what would happen if a human injected the blood of a dragon into themself.
@@zombiedemon1762 four countries which interact with it differently. They chose the mutant route which is the shooting up or eating slimes for magical powers. That kingdom is power-hungry country which is regularly at war with the others for more power, so quests in that country generally lead to raiding or destabilizing other countries for their resources. Another is based around using a slime as a familiar which casts the magic for you and can even bond with the user in different ways, like a melee character would bind itself with the slime like Venom with it being roleplay heavy and requiring them to keep the connection strong because the user doesn't know magic but becoming one with the familiar to hit things harder would change a person a little more. This country is more about growing and raising slime while also protecting itself from the other countries which just see slimes as a resource. Another one is my favorite which uses the slimes as fuel source after being purified and the process of that causes more slimes to be created but they are more aggressive which leads to why the current ruler actively hates them rather than just seeing them as a tool and as such doesn't care how cruel it might be. This does lead more to the techie classes, but that makes sense as the magic users are generally not welcome there, kinda magic-punk. The quests here are generally fight off the slimes and zombies, or hunt down the heretic shooting up slimes or bringing it in as a pet. the fourth one is the more futuristic one which taught the magic-punk how to make the fuel and is actually an amalgamation of sentient beings from the other 4 physical realms which may or may not be trying to escape how messed up they made their worlds in the process of becoming so advanced.
Epic missed opportunity to put crickets in the pause after Bug magic. ;)
RUclips has the worst magic system. I mean, what even is the point of the subscribe spell if it doesn’t really do anything without the notification bell spell? What does the dislike spell even do after the nerf? And don’t get me started on how they removed the ability to read spellbooks from oldest to newest.
I can link images of alligator magic but they're probably too NSFW for this place.
i wont tell if you dont
“Fairy? Oh come on that’s offensive” I’m freakin dead bro.
writer: here's my elemental magic syst-
me: *falls asleep*
My magic system will involve primarily calling aid from and making deals with spirits, though only for elemental spells and powerful effects. Using raw magical energy is definitely plausible but is more similar to psionics than what we would see as magic.
How about a biological potion magic system?
As a mage or sorcerer, your body develops the biological ability to produce magic potions.
Different genetic traits are combined and enchanted inside the natural liquids of your body such as blood,sweat,tears, and the like.
This ofcourse means your biology is automatically upgrading itself all the time.
@@zombiedemon1762 hell fucking yeah, I always knew that the doctor was full of shit when he told me my piss felt like burning was the result of an STD. I am just a highly advanced pyromancer
@@Yuorai . Yeah that's probably just your pee evolving into a fire potion or magical Molotov cocktail or whatever the exploding fire bottles in video games are called.
Water + earth = mud. Titans are mud.
Came from reddit and expected a un-enthusiastic narrator with crappy editing.
boi was i wrong.
Cheers mate! good luck with everything.
Came from reddit too and I was laughing which surprised me
bug magic is that thing in elden ring where you get that black bar and then thorny branches made of flies burst out of your chest. they call it "deathblight" but its clearly bug magic
I lost it at alligator magic.
Free idea: a parody fantasy where a cynic and an exorcist arguing get isekai'ed . In the d&d world they land in the cynic is a powerful antimage that cancels any spell with his lack of faith, and the exorcist instakills vampires by chanting and holding up his cross because vampires are technically demonically possessed corpses.
I just discovered this channel, and boy is this good.
@@catherineromanov Please do, I can see you getting big.
i think this is one of the funniest video’s i’ve ever seen, came across while searching for vancian magic. seriously underrated
Jesus is just built different.
Oh I get it's Satyre
Late comment but I've been planning on doing my own fantasy themed stories and one thing I wanted to figure out was the magic system and how it worked.
So the magic system I came up with followed the theme of Nature. The nature of the planet, the nature of its people, the spiritual nature of things, etc. I made three forms of magic that embody this sort of thing which is Physical, Mental and Spiritual.
Physical magic refers to the chemistry, biology and physics of the world and people itself, such as creating a ball of fire using friction in the air, using gravity and earth magic to get a chunk of rock to float in the air and launch it, or using water magic to physically control someone (which makes sense considering our bodies are 90% water).
Mental magic touches more onto the Sci-Fi side of things but it's mainly about the mental and emotional stuff. For instance if one were to consider the planet itself as a living being, then one can assume natural occurrences such as volcanoes representing it's rage, rain as sadness, or plants growing being happiness. The people side of things (both your own and others) could be a third sense, psychonesis, brainwashing, emotional manipulation, foresight, etc. (I.e. detecting where objects or people are with your mind or controlling someone's emotions like giving them a confidence boost, calming them down or intentionally pissing them off, or see the future).
Spiritual magic refers to the spiritual and cosmic side of things such as Light and Darkness (in the traditional good and evil sense), astral projection, communicating with ghosts, time and space manipulation, or even bringing someone back from the dead.
Weaknesses and long time effects was also something I had to consider so I made it so that the effectiveness depends on the caster's wellbeing so physical magic for instance will be more powerful if the caster is more fit and healthy but weaker when they aren't. Such is the case for Mental magic which is the caster's mental well-being and Spiritual being on how strong their spirit is.
Plus I ask added weaknesses based on external factors such as you can't use earth based magic if their is no earth in the area you're in, nor can you manipulate emotions if said user either has a strong will or the inability to feel anything.
The last bit was long term effects so I can up with Magic Sickness which is caused by over-excessive magic and also depends on the type used so Physical magic results in the caster becoming fragile, weaker and more ill (to the point of throwing up blood), Mental magic can drive the user insane or even lobotomize them whilst spiritual magic affects their spirit which can either kill them (if they resurrected someone), corrupt them or lose their connection to the spirit world entirely.
It's a work in progress and tons of fleshing out needs to be done such as it's history, how spells are casted, etc. But yeah, thats the magic system I'm planning on doing.
(EDIT: Did some changes but I separated the time/space, light and dark magic from Spiritual and put it into its own school being Cosmic (Based on the Cosmic forces of our world so time and space concepts and light/dark not in the physical sense but cosmic sense, along with adding a 5th school being Pure Magic, aka Energy Manipulation, essentially manipulating energy to ones body, mind or soul. Also added a 6th hidden school called True Magic, normal magic still follows the rules of physics whilst True Magic is essentially the ability to change reality altogether but takes an extremely long time to do, so long that its outright impossible to accomplish within a regular lifespan and in my universe only one character was able to accomplish that due to being immortal).
Damn it I didn't know someone used the spiritual, mental and physical concepts before me. I'm using them differently though see my comment above. This is really cool though congrats!
@@karlazeen
Its still a work in progress and I have changed it with it now being around 5 schools instead of three.
Still got the Physical, Mental and Spiritual schools but I ended up Spiritual and Cosmic to be separate schools and not the same, along with adding a 5th one which is Aether, or pure magic making it based on Energy manipulation.
I forgot to mention I have two other additional types which are supposed to be basic to the cosmic, natural and mystical elements which are advanced. They're called release and divination, release is basically pure ancestral energy manipulation and divination has to do with the senses, they're basically used for martial arts attacks and unlike the three advanced types anyone can use them while you have to have an affinity for the cosmos, mysticism and nature if you want to use them. This is less of a magic system and more of a power system its inspire by anime and manga I like. Mine is a work in progress too I haven't even gone into the infinite number of miracle arts like the flame arts, water arts, space arts, artifact arts, chimera arts etc. I also have an idea for your system, couldn't you just call the cosmic school the celestial school and make it about using and combining all three of the first classes as well to get new powers like energy manipulation? You could also make the magic types more rare as you progress with physical being the most common all the way up to celestial which is the rarest. That would be pretty cool but hey its your system do whatever you want with it l'm just making suggestions, good luck!
Gonna be honest bro, I can tell you've thought about this a lot, but this isn't the one chief. Well, if you're just writing for fun then go on lad do what you want! If you want a career writing however, this system really isn't gonna serve you any favours. Frankly it's fairly generic and unless it's backed by excellent writing (and I mean excellent writing), or isn't that important or noticeable in the world, its going to be boring.
@@azrielackerman4659
I actually ended up revising the whole thing, I still wanted to do the Physical, Mental and Spiritual aspects, along with the elemental stuff and the theme of nature so I decided to instead of it being a magic system, I remade it to be a hybrid of Magic and Chi.
So as a result, a lot of the way things worked changed so instead of being three forms, I changed and split it into multiple versions to each reflect a different theme which I called Arts. The Arts made things a little easier as instead of having multiple things in one form, I had it separated so that in a way one Art can affect the other or used with the other, plus I themed them around the new Magic/Chi system and so far I have:
*Body Arts* - The manipulation of energy to affect ones body such as physical enhancement, I.e. strength and defence.
*Mind Arts* - The manipulation of energy to affect ones mind such as psychic abilities, I.e. Mind reading, telepathy, telekinesis, etc.
*Soul Arts* - The manipulation of energy to affect ones soul such as spiritual abilities, I.e. Astral Projection, Soul Detection, Soul Enhancement, etc.
*Elemental Arts* - The manipulation of the planet on a material level allowing one to manipulate or generate an element that resides in the planet such as Fire, Water, Earth, Wind, etc (the usually stuff)
*Cosmic Arts* - The manipulation of the planet on a cosmic level so in other words Space and Time manipulation, along with Wish granting, however because of the OP nature of those abilities, I made it so that the ability of Space and Time is exclusive to certain tribes and not everyone. Creation and Destruction was something I also added as part of the Cosmic line up.
*Divine Arts* - It’s essentially Light and Darkness.
I only just realised when writing this comment that the new version sounds somewhat generic as well which made me realise something, I don’t think a magic system is even remotely possible to do without making it sound generic so I might consider just ditching it altogether.
D'Vorah must be the queen and goddess of bug magic.
She invoked the insect spirits and they upgraded her physical body.
She casted so many bug spells that she can now do very buggy things without actually doing her rituals.
Oh lookie! A hidden gem!
God I love your humour 😂 I hope you continue doing this!
@@catherineromanov ohhh! Thank you! I can't wait!
"Who the fuck does Fighting magic?"
(From the corner starts music)
"Sono chi no sadame..."
“Except for football” hit me like an eldritch blast
you know for just a second i thought this is gonna be a se4rious video about magic systems XD
Man, your content may be underrated but it's entertaining as hell, you got a new subscriber 😄
So you've probably heard this, but in Harry Potter wandless magic doesn't take a particularly powerful wizard to do, technically anyone can do it, the issue is the wand acts as a focus and gives a spell direction, Harry himself has cast spells without a wand, he just had very little control.
The guy stirring his tea is doing something relatively small so he probably doesn't require a wand to focus his magic to simply move a spoon in a cup.
I need more videos like this in my life.
Look at me talking as if I have a life.
Dude I love this video. I quickly subscribed to you.
I expected something serious from this video. Hear me out, I am not big on memes and le funny content, but boy was this video a treat. I loved it. Thanks for the good laugh :) I had a terrible nightmare today and I really needed it.
Soon as i saw the the Warcraft Magic System Map appear i was Lolling! I played for years and didnt see the Magic System til i got the Lore book last year. It is bonkers!
Why is this the first video to pop up when I type “mage errant” in the search bar?
The thing about Harry Potter is that while focusing is important and wands definitely help, wands are not mandatory, they just make it easier and are good for beginners, and for a spell as trivial as what he's doing he might not need to maintain eye contact
I suddenly really want to write something about bug magic
fighting magic is throwing a hadouken
I'm subbing for so many reason 🤣🤣
I gasped at the titanic bit...that was dark.
Pokemon football would actually be cool. Players throw a helmet from their collected team list, and out jumps the icon/mascot/motif thing.
"Oh NO! He's played the Patriots! With a cheat buff!"
This was a great watch. Subbed.
I Appreciate either magic sytems that are complex but well explained and established while still being fun or magic systems where the author clearly went "fuck it" and just decided to do something fun. Both ends of the extreme can work well depending on the story, but the bad ones get caught somewhere between the middle, typically leaning more towards the complex side but with glaring plot holes.
bug magic seems like a cool idea to me
Warcraft actually has really good magic lore bones to work with.
Wait till bro hears about haki and df, nen and cursed energy
i needed this thank you 😂
Who else found this through reddit?
me
After the video ended, I was recommended a video on “The Best Magic Systems”
"C'mon guys, "Fel"? Fel down what, the stairs? You missed an L, there's only one L"
My God that sent my sides to the moon 🤣🤣
Thank you for the entertaining video, kind stranger
At first I thought it was serious, then I thought it was a joke, but now see it was serious
Mtg magic system has (almost) nothing to do with the elements. The colors represent philosophies. Red is aggression/passion, blue is knowledge/wisdom, green is natural order, white is law & order, black is typically selfishness/power at any cost.
There are mages who do use elemental magic where they very roughly correspond to the colors you would expect. But the color system represents how those colors function in the card game itself. It’s much deeper & more interesting than “3 elements plus angels & skeletons”.
I have this magic system where the wizards can only use magic where they manipulate objects in nature or that come from nature. So they can take a torch and manipulate the fire to like wrap around a person or manipulate wooden wheels to morph into a different structure.
I just realized halway through that this video was a parody of Lily Orchard's content
0:57 yeah non verbal spells exist and also magic helps you to control the magic u can use it without a wand
I dunno what I just watched but it changed my life.
they got bug magic in this book called worm its pretty good
Wait till he hears about rpg systems as the magic system of a novel.
Im so mad at how hilarious this is hahahahah. Even the blasphemy 💀💀💀
"Who the fuck does Fighting Magic?"
Goku. Are you gonna tell me Dragonball isn't Fighting Magic?
3:54 Magic really means it's something that science has no explanation for yet, so psychic does fit in both Fantasy and Sci Fi.
"WHAT THE FUCK IS ALLIGATOR MAGIC?!" Said in a Fullmetal Jacket ripoff voice has to be one of the best lines I've ever heard!
Your editing is absolutely insane!
@@catherineromanov No, it's great! When watching I thought it was going to be some 30 year-old with high testosterone talking into a webcam, but coming from a small channel is awesome. Keep up the work!
1:18 king James, *proceed to show bishop of Rome, who is polar oposite of king James*
Dude you‘re a genius.
Underneath the sarcasm is love and hate. Lol
This is the best video I ever seen.
"if i put my dead grandmother in tornado she aint comeback alive" im ded lmfao
Funny enough, Pokemon's lore is loosely based off of Alchemy
naruto has bug magicians btw!
1:34 what's the song in the background? It sounds so familiar but i can't call it
Why did my RUclips app tag the Jesus bit as an ad?
1:50 Where is this one from?
0:55 bro the spoon is his wand wtf are you on about?
Was not expecting nux taku trolling lol
1:53 woke up in Newtopia where I fell down a flight of stairs
Amphibia reference
Really enjoyed this video, man. But you've probably set yourself up real good. Now I'm very eager to see your next post on this topic. Criticising magic systems is the easy part.
A bug pokemon is just a bug pokemon.
I respect the video game Vampire Survivors for having "milk magic". Definitely something I never seen before
why did this pop up on my feed? im not sure.
but was this a necessary watch? yes, yes it was.
is aligator magic really worse than bug magic
I WILL BE THE ONE TO MAKE BUG MAGIC'S POTENTIAL BECOME REALIZED
Alligator magic made me cackle
Eh, my favorite magic system is still that of Mother of Learning, the best and most complex magic system I've ever seen. And even the whole story barely uncover that much of the world and the system
Pokemon type system is not even magic. Sometimes its similar but not always
Not what I was looking for, but I am not disappointed lol
The first one is the only one that is actually a magic system🤣🤣
0:52 Also Harry making an entire glass panel disappear as an 11 year old, with no wand, cause he was angy.
Man, imagine using Cowboy magic. You can go all Red Dead Redemption in people's business
Sharpshooter cowboy magic
Erron Black??
I came looking for real advice, I left smiling and not giving an F about my original goal. You sir deserve a like 🤣
you know, this was better than what i expected (real advice on what not to do)
Kinda achieved its goal tho, i know not to make aligator magic now