Oh wow finally found your channel Rolf KapteinKUK!!! Just want to say a huge thank you for your contributions to the flight controller world. l am still somewhat of a newbie but learning as quick as l can and after using the KK2.0 with the 1.2 version and now 1.5 firmware l am hooked, its just a beautiful system and very user friendly. l thought my Eagle X6 was good but this BLOWS it out of the water. Thank you KapteinKUK..... Geoff
Totally excellent video, thanks! It is the first vid I've seen that actually demonstrates the effects of bad PID values, very helpful. I like the chicken!
my mom had to tolerate the noise of motors when the quad flew in the videos , but when the *chicken* came at the end..... i was like o.O on seeing it ,n my mom came into the room with thaat frightened look on her face asking "is THIS the part of ur project too, honey" .... n after that i cudnt stop laughing! anyways it ws really valuable info, thanks, now i know why our quad's motors were oscillating so much...
When the quadcopter tries not to move when he applies force is more of a sign of a high D gain, epically when it doesn't move back to to the level position when he has let the sticks center. If the P or I gain was high then it would shoot back to the level position when he let go of the sticks.
OK, it's easy like that (In theory lol) So you just need to find the best combination between P and I on Pitch, Roll, Yaw and relative to your style of flying :D Thanks for this super duper cool video ;) Thumbs up for your good job Nice scary chicken lol
Great video for us newbies struggling with what to look for and how to correct it....so I built a quad for my grandson that I get a pretty bad propwash like wobble when I am decending strait down.....I've been thinking I need to RAISE the I Gain, but from your video I'm wondering if it is not a to high "I Gain" that I am seeing because it is more of a low freq wobble that makes the quad feel very unstable!
Det er vanligvis mye støy på signalet fra gyroene. Ved bruk av D-term kommer mye av den støyen ut til motorkontrollen. I tillegg vil konstant støy bare fungere som en demper for P og I gain.
Note that this quad is NOT in X configuration as most people fly in but rather + configuration. As set up here X configuration would be flying sideways. This shows one advantage of + configuration for setup but I'd run a strong line through quads with round carbon tubes to tie each end to because the round carbon arms are not bolted to the frame and use friction (and in my case a set screw to keep motor arms from rotating I don't want moved) to hold them in so they don't get pulled out... and a safety bottom line to a weight "just in case".
That sound of the chicken can actually damage good speakers if the gain of the amplifier is set too high. But then... I'm on youtube, I should know that could happen.
Noticed your brilliant idea on X quad , but can I tie two arms of 230 or 250 size H quad and do the similar pid tuning ? H-quad does not seem balance if tie this way . I have FrSky Taranis and Naze32 acro with cleanflight. Do you have similar setup ?
Nice video Rolf, just a general question about pid. If a quadcopter has a large battery crossing the frame from back to front, and is located 5cm under the chasis , so the movement in the roll axis takes more effort, what shoul I do? Increase my P in the roll axis? Decrease it ? Raise the I? Btw I ask this because my batteries have died so I cannot test anything right now.
Give me the values of pi editor menu.. all values that make the drone fly perfectly without any jittering or cause the drone to speed up automatically by its own .. I have that problems.
Jesus christ !!! I watched this video on the living room entertainment center. @#$@#$ chicken!! I think I pulled something jumping on the couch. what was the quad setup as? plus or X
great Video Rolf, thank you! And to all the haters here... If you got free knowledge and insights and not capable of reading even the warning about the chicken ... too bad for you. Darwin will come and collect at some point ;)
Hi, can you please provide the values that we can use for stable flight. I am using KK2.1 Flight Controller, Q450 quad with FlySky ct6b radio transmitter. We are facing problem as our quad stats oscillating after taking off. All the ESC and other calibrations are done. Please help.
Thanks for the video Rolf Could you tell me if you can keep the quad steady at an angle when P&I are correct? For example if you give some stick so that the quad tilts about 10 degrees, does it stay there over time? Or does it drift? Likewise if you keep it level, does it tilt over time? Thanks
Make sure your props are balanced. Vibes can throw off the sensors. Also, try isolating the KK board from vibration. I mounted mine with velcro which works great for reducing vibe transfer.
If too sensitive to throttle stick should I lower P or I values? I also have issues with sudden rotation around YAW or crazy quick turns for very small YAW adjustment. When adding bigger props it has also some kind of wave effect, lower oscillation but does not have with smaller stock props. I cannot setup channel6 and use the sting tuning stuff at the moment, just connectiong to MP try to change some params write params and test again and feel. (I have my CTUN ThrIn around 740 because of high loadout having a bigger frame also motors having a higher angle tilted to the center with this new S500 frame.)
+FotoAmg AmgFoto turn down your rates. this is separate from the pids. rates change the rate theta changes when you input commands. i hope you figured it out before i commented haha.
KK2.16: Self Level mode ON. Difficult to stay in one height as the copter goes up and down. I guess, Pgain too high. Do I have to change Pgain in the self level fille or in the P-Editor? I can´t reallly make it out.
Hi, I have a KKMulticopter v5.5 board and I am having trouble finding and downloading firmware and tools because all KKMulticopter websites are down. Can you help me with it?
I have a KK2 V1.2 and i'm wondering if you could help me out, where do i make changes to make the motors act right. when i hit right rudder it goes down, if i hit left rudder it flips right, left aileron goes right and right aileron goes left, elevator its fine. Thank you in advance
I am a beginner and not able to fly in acro mode, but I was able to hover my quad in acro mode with default settings in Cleanflight. In angle mode it has shaked violently which forces me to an emergency landing. I had to setup angle/horizon level to 3,0 to make it stable. Default was 9,0. There is still a little bit of wobbling. Should I use Pid tuning in Angle mode or does PID only affect the acro mode?
That ending was stupid! Very unprofessional! I had just hit the subscribe button, but I don’t think so.
Thanks, great demonstration!
And he DID warn you all about the chicken, it's your fault for not reading descriptions. :)
Old Equipment but still actual. So many pid tune vids out there but this old video is still absolute usable.
I`m a bit late saying this but this is the best video on youtube for showing how to set these settings! Well done! Best regards fro the UK
Still the best video I have seen when it comes to P and I tuning.
WTF WHY THE GODDAM CHICKEN!
exactly
that chicken nearly just gave me a freakin heart attack!!!!!! well done takes a lot to spook me
for fuck sake that scared the shit out of me. Even though I was warned..
Thank you for the KK2 board! I can fly my first quad with ease! V1.5 auto level works flawlessly and has saved my quad twice! Beware the chicken!
Oh wow finally found your channel Rolf KapteinKUK!!! Just want to say a huge thank you for your contributions to the flight controller world. l am still somewhat of a newbie but learning as quick as l can and after using the KK2.0 with the 1.2 version and now 1.5 firmware l am hooked, its just a beautiful system and very user friendly. l thought my Eagle X6 was good but this BLOWS it out of the water.
Thank you KapteinKUK.....
Geoff
He tried to warn us about the chicken...
Good vid!
I was watching it for the chicken. What was all that crap in the 7:30 before it? XD
Finally a guy's 12 yr old video saved my day
Worth watching til the end ;-)
Great work! The best Video about PID tuning I have seen so far. Will definitely try the single axis on a string method!
Good idea to bring in an expert at the end, now it all makes sense!
Thanks Rolf. I'd given up on my KK 2.1 board. I'll give it another try with this reference to help.
Chicken was friggin weird. Hope everybody is ok.
Totally excellent video, thanks! It is the first vid I've seen that actually demonstrates the effects of bad PID values, very helpful. I like the chicken!
my mom had to tolerate the noise of motors when the quad flew in the videos , but when the *chicken* came at the end..... i was like o.O on seeing it ,n my mom came into the room with thaat frightened look on her face asking "is THIS the part of ur project too, honey" .... n after that i cudnt stop laughing! anyways it ws really valuable info, thanks, now i know why our quad's motors were oscillating so much...
Thank you so much for this. I was struggling with shaky video as well as almost impossible flight characteristics. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Excellent video, this will be going into my favorites to refer back to when I do any PID tuning.
Thanks Kaptein.
Great Demonstration of a multirotor PID assessment and tuning!
Looking at this video again after a year away from it. My copter is doing some weird stuff and that dang chicken got me again!!!
When the quadcopter tries not to move when he applies force is more of a sign of a high D gain, epically when it doesn't move back to to the level position when he has let the sticks center. If the P or I gain was high then it would shoot back to the level position when he let go of the sticks.
I have my quad tuned pretty fine rigth now, but my chicken is oscillating a little...
Thanks a lot for the vid!
Ain't nuth'n but a chicken wing baby! Startled me a little lol... nice video thanks!
Beware of the ch.. HOMG NO! Good video, looks like my quad and I are looking for some bondage time. ;)
7:28, thanks for the nice scare.I think I will have chicken for dinner.
that mount you made is really useful.
Thanks for your work here! The idea with the rubberbands is good! I found the settings while flying , but it wasnt easy... The end was funny :-)
Best simulation on youtube. Thanks.
OK, it's easy like that (In theory lol)
So you just need to find the best combination between P and I on Pitch, Roll, Yaw and relative to your style of flying :D
Thanks for this super duper cool video ;)
Thumbs up for your good job
Nice scary chicken lol
Pls demonstrate for D-gain as well.
RIP headphones.. (damn chicken)..
Great video for us newbies struggling with what to look for and how to correct it....so I built a quad for my grandson that I get a pretty bad propwash like wobble when I am decending strait down.....I've been thinking I need to RAISE the I Gain, but from your video I'm wondering if it is not a to high "I Gain" that I am seeing because it is more of a low freq wobble that makes the quad feel very unstable!
Awesome video. Very helpful. Any chance you could talk about the D tunning?
***** aaw damn, I wanted the D..
Very informative. And funny at the end. Thanks.
Very nice and very educative video !
And what about P limit and I limit ? How to setup them please ?
J.C. YOU SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+probante same
Det er vanligvis mye støy på signalet fra gyroene. Ved bruk av D-term kommer mye av den støyen ut til motorkontrollen. I tillegg vil konstant støy bare fungere som en demper for P og I gain.
Thks for good vdo . But I have 1 question for sure. I use cc3d board In vdo "I gain" it mean Pid /roll / yaw ? In cc3d . Thank you
Note that this quad is NOT in X configuration as most people fly in but rather + configuration. As set up here X configuration would be flying sideways. This shows one advantage of + configuration for setup but I'd run a strong line through quads with round carbon tubes to tie each end to because the round carbon arms are not bolted to the frame and use friction (and in my case a set screw to keep motor arms from rotating I don't want moved) to hold them in so they don't get pulled out... and a safety bottom line to a weight "just in case".
Thanks..was wondering about this.
excellent demo
but scared the hell out of me in the end
Thanks bro usefull vid 😊
Can't wait to see the end of the video
Awesome, easy and simple, how it should be.
Thankyou very much....
Excellent demo ! appreciated !
Thank you, exactly what I wanted to know about P & I !
aside from your dumb chicken at the end, this is a very helpful and informative video.
Best vid for kk2 controller. Thanks.
Good job. Nice video but, not chicken.
love the video. really loved the chicken. can this method be used to tune all axis? Newby to the hobbie. having problem setting my gains.
Thanks man. Good visual reference
Good demonstration, but nothing on D setting ?
That sound of the chicken can actually damage good speakers if the gain of the amplifier is set too high. But then... I'm on youtube, I should know that could happen.
Noticed your brilliant idea on X quad , but can I tie two arms of 230 or 250 size H quad and do the similar pid tuning ? H-quad does not seem balance if tie this way . I have FrSky Taranis and Naze32 acro with cleanflight. Do you have similar setup ?
Good vid, loved the chicken.
Nice video Rolf, just a general question about pid. If a quadcopter has a large battery crossing the frame from back to front, and is located 5cm under the chasis , so the movement in the roll axis takes more effort, what shoul I do? Increase my P in the roll axis? Decrease it ? Raise the I?
Btw I ask this because my batteries have died so I cannot test anything right now.
Excellent Work, thank you!
Thanks for the video Obi-Wan (I'm surprised you have the time) and for the KK2 board which has given me hours of entertainmnet. Crashes and all.
WTF FUCK THAT CHICKEN, did not see the warning, cat knocked over bunch of stuff, I nearly crapped myself.
Great video! But what about D value?
That chicken noise sounds like my wife if i wake her up in the middle of the night.. :)
you have a nice picture of you at the end.. :)
Great work! thanks for sharing.
Give me the values of pi editor menu.. all values that make the drone fly perfectly without any jittering or cause the drone to speed up automatically by its own .. I have that problems.
Great job! you make it look ease.
Good demonstration. The chicken at the end made me have a shit attack though! :-)
thanks!! . .. not for the chiken, of course .... :S
I´m trying to tune my MultiWii Tricopter. It oscilates on displacing. Looks like I to high.
you are genius. thanks a lot for this video
This chicken is scary indeed
Jesus christ !!! I watched this video on the living room entertainment center. @#$@#$ chicken!! I think I pulled something jumping on the couch. what was the quad setup as? plus or X
quad seems to be a + configuration
great Video Rolf, thank you! And to all the haters here... If you got free knowledge and insights and not capable of reading even the warning about the chicken ... too bad for you. Darwin will come and collect at some point ;)
Not in full manual mode. It will level itself out when in Auto level mode.
any chance you can post a video with that chicken strapped to the multicopter and flying around scaring people?
Hahahahahaha!!! Thumbs up for the chicken!!
Hi, can you please provide the values that we can use for stable flight. I am using KK2.1 Flight Controller, Q450 quad with FlySky ct6b radio transmitter. We are facing problem as our quad stats oscillating after taking off. All the ESC and other calibrations are done. Please help.
Rohit Roy Chowdhury oscillating means your P and I gains are too high for the motor prop config you have...just keep lowering them until it stops
please read the description before you look - if you want to use your ears in future lol
Thank you for the vid, very insightful. One question what frame is that.
this is great. i need to build a testing stand. but whats with the "D" ? Can D also be tested using the string method ?
Thanks for the video Rolf
Could you tell me if you can keep the quad steady at an angle when P&I are correct? For example if you give some stick so that the quad tilts about 10 degrees, does it stay there over time? Or does it drift? Likewise if you keep it level, does it tilt over time?
Thanks
very helpful video. My quadcopter rotates 45 degree to the left every time I fly it. How to fix it? After it rotates , it stable //Mine is X mode
Make sure your props are balanced. Vibes can throw off the sensors. Also, try isolating the KK board from vibration. I mounted mine with velcro which works great for reducing vibe transfer.
it was awesome video. Thank you so so much
That's the scariest shit i have ever seen at the end with the chicken!!!!
Skidmarks in my jockey shorts thanks to that damn chicken!!! lol
Not very clear, yellow on a green back ground? Still useful instruction though..good work!
If too sensitive to throttle stick should I lower P or I values?
I also have issues with sudden rotation around YAW or crazy quick turns for very small YAW adjustment.
When adding bigger props it has also some kind of wave effect, lower oscillation but does not have with smaller stock props.
I cannot setup channel6 and use the sting tuning stuff at the moment, just connectiong to MP try to change some params write params and test again and feel.
(I have my CTUN ThrIn around 740 because of high loadout having a bigger frame also motors having a higher angle tilted to the center with this new S500 frame.)
+FotoAmg AmgFoto turn down your rates. this is separate from the pids. rates change the rate theta changes when you input commands. i hope you figured it out before i commented haha.
chris wang i did autotune also but did not help, got terrible vibration on video and had to revert autotuned pids
hey there i have a problem i.e my drones throttle is staying idle and am unable to rectify it??
KK2.16: Self Level mode ON. Difficult to stay in one height as the copter goes up and down. I guess, Pgain too high. Do I have to change Pgain in the self level fille or in the P-Editor? I can´t reallly make it out.
Nice tuitorial
thanks for the tuning help!
Hi, I have a KKMulticopter v5.5 board and I am having trouble finding and downloading firmware and tools because all KKMulticopter websites are down. Can you help me with it?
WHAT THE FUCK WHY IS THERE A CHICKEN IN A PID TUNING VIDEO LOL THAT ROCKS
thanks this video helps a lot
Why after releasing of stick it stay in the position?
I thought that it should automatically flatten to "zero" position (like helicopter)
Har du noen gang laga vanlig heli eller multicopter med auto stabiliserer?
Peace be upon you
wonderfull
Thank you so much
I hope that we are a special cycle but collects card Altabek controlling transmission and reception components and thank you
I have a KK2 V1.2 and i'm wondering if you could help me out, where do i make changes to make the motors act right. when i hit right rudder it goes down, if i hit left rudder it flips right, left aileron goes right and right aileron goes left, elevator its fine. Thank you in advance
I am a beginner and not able to fly in acro mode, but I was able to hover my quad in acro mode with default settings in Cleanflight. In angle mode it has shaked violently which forces me to an emergency landing. I had to setup angle/horizon level to 3,0 to make it stable. Default was 9,0. There is still a little bit of wobbling. Should I use Pid tuning in Angle mode or does PID only affect the acro mode?
Bloody hell, I frightened myself with that freaking chicken! :)
So the value which you add on one side, so the same value you tak off on another side?