Oh wow finally found your channel Rolf KapteinKUK!!! Just want to say a huge thank you for your contributions to the flight controller world. l am still somewhat of a newbie but learning as quick as l can and after using the KK2.0 with the 1.2 version and now 1.5 firmware l am hooked, its just a beautiful system and very user friendly. l thought my Eagle X6 was good but this BLOWS it out of the water. Thank you KapteinKUK..... Geoff
Totally excellent video, thanks! It is the first vid I've seen that actually demonstrates the effects of bad PID values, very helpful. I like the chicken!
OK, it's easy like that (In theory lol) So you just need to find the best combination between P and I on Pitch, Roll, Yaw and relative to your style of flying :D Thanks for this super duper cool video ;) Thumbs up for your good job Nice scary chicken lol
my mom had to tolerate the noise of motors when the quad flew in the videos , but when the *chicken* came at the end..... i was like o.O on seeing it ,n my mom came into the room with thaat frightened look on her face asking "is THIS the part of ur project too, honey" .... n after that i cudnt stop laughing! anyways it ws really valuable info, thanks, now i know why our quad's motors were oscillating so much...
When the quadcopter tries not to move when he applies force is more of a sign of a high D gain, epically when it doesn't move back to to the level position when he has let the sticks center. If the P or I gain was high then it would shoot back to the level position when he let go of the sticks.
Give me the values of pi editor menu.. all values that make the drone fly perfectly without any jittering or cause the drone to speed up automatically by its own .. I have that problems.
Hi, I'm new in this world of drones: And I have a hobby king kk.2.1.5 on my xcopter, and I have the same problem as in the minut 2:00 from the video I want to know how to rapair it, plese need help. The problem could be to much or to low P/I-gain/limit ?? i dont know. :(
***** hhmm... but in all ( yaw, pitch and roll) are the P I Limit Gain, so its rare, because it can't be another roll in the Roll and also a pitch in the Pitch. do you know what i'm saying? I tried to reduce the I gain, but it doesn't go better. I tried also to change all P I Limit Gain but it aren't going better, I don't know what to do anymore. what numbers do you have on your fly controler?
great Video Rolf, thank you! And to all the haters here... If you got free knowledge and insights and not capable of reading even the warning about the chicken ... too bad for you. Darwin will come and collect at some point ;)
Hi, can you please provide the values that we can use for stable flight. I am using KK2.1 Flight Controller, Q450 quad with FlySky ct6b radio transmitter. We are facing problem as our quad stats oscillating after taking off. All the ESC and other calibrations are done. Please help.
Hi, I have a KKMulticopter v5.5 board and I am having trouble finding and downloading firmware and tools because all KKMulticopter websites are down. Can you help me with it?
Great video for us newbies struggling with what to look for and how to correct it....so I built a quad for my grandson that I get a pretty bad propwash like wobble when I am decending strait down.....I've been thinking I need to RAISE the I Gain, but from your video I'm wondering if it is not a to high "I Gain" that I am seeing because it is more of a low freq wobble that makes the quad feel very unstable!
Det er vanligvis mye støy på signalet fra gyroene. Ved bruk av D-term kommer mye av den støyen ut til motorkontrollen. I tillegg vil konstant støy bare fungere som en demper for P og I gain.
I have a KK2 V1.2 and i'm wondering if you could help me out, where do i make changes to make the motors act right. when i hit right rudder it goes down, if i hit left rudder it flips right, left aileron goes right and right aileron goes left, elevator its fine. Thank you in advance
Note that this quad is NOT in X configuration as most people fly in but rather + configuration. As set up here X configuration would be flying sideways. This shows one advantage of + configuration for setup but I'd run a strong line through quads with round carbon tubes to tie each end to because the round carbon arms are not bolted to the frame and use friction (and in my case a set screw to keep motor arms from rotating I don't want moved) to hold them in so they don't get pulled out... and a safety bottom line to a weight "just in case".
Always reset the gyros on the KK2 when switching between auto level and normal mode. You can do this by disarming and rearming the board on the ground.
KK2.16: Self Level mode ON. Difficult to stay in one height as the copter goes up and down. I guess, Pgain too high. Do I have to change Pgain in the self level fille or in the P-Editor? I can´t reallly make it out.
So I see this is a quad in + configuration, can you set your x configuration quad to + then do the pid setting as per this video. The change configuration back to x and go fly?
I think you can. The KK has a setting somewhere that lets you leave it mounted like an X, but you tell it it is 45deg off so it uses one of the arms as the front of the + , so you avoid having to re-orient the FCM, in addition to the +quad motor layout change you have to do.
I don't see why would do that. Essentially the quad would fly sideways or in the wrong direction. The fc has to point in the forward direction, if not your radio movements would not be correct.
hi Rolf, I am trying to let a tricopter with KK2 work. after level calibration the trico flies quite fine but after some time it gets unstable. after disarming, if I check the roll and pitch angles they have changed and they are completely different from the refererence (0 deg for both on leveled surface). I have to calibrate again the accelerometers on a leveled surface and the trico starts to fly well for few seconds. do you know which problem is this one? thanks a lot. Andrea
That sound of the chicken can actually damage good speakers if the gain of the amplifier is set too high. But then... I'm on youtube, I should know that could happen.
If too sensitive to throttle stick should I lower P or I values? I also have issues with sudden rotation around YAW or crazy quick turns for very small YAW adjustment. When adding bigger props it has also some kind of wave effect, lower oscillation but does not have with smaller stock props. I cannot setup channel6 and use the sting tuning stuff at the moment, just connectiong to MP try to change some params write params and test again and feel. (I have my CTUN ThrIn around 740 because of high loadout having a bigger frame also motors having a higher angle tilted to the center with this new S500 frame.)
+FotoAmg AmgFoto turn down your rates. this is separate from the pids. rates change the rate theta changes when you input commands. i hope you figured it out before i commented haha.
Make sure your props are balanced. Vibes can throw off the sensors. Also, try isolating the KK board from vibration. I mounted mine with velcro which works great for reducing vibe transfer.
i really need some help....im lost when it comes to multicopters....but that didnt stop me from building one...lol....i have a kk2 board.....when im tuning the R/P Pi settings do i do so with the auto level turned off????....also how do i adjust the auto level Pi settings...im having a hard time...i can fly my quad....but its terribly hard and usually ends in a crash....help me out guys...i watched a 8 year old kid fly an ardrone like a pro 30 seconds after he opened it....lol
what if you were to set the gains in + config and then once set change back to x config? I haven't tried it yet but seems like it would be a pretty accurate way to get there!?
Thanks for the video Rolf Could you tell me if you can keep the quad steady at an angle when P&I are correct? For example if you give some stick so that the quad tilts about 10 degrees, does it stay there over time? Or does it drift? Likewise if you keep it level, does it tilt over time? Thanks
Noticed your brilliant idea on X quad , but can I tie two arms of 230 or 250 size H quad and do the similar pid tuning ? H-quad does not seem balance if tie this way . I have FrSky Taranis and Naze32 acro with cleanflight. Do you have similar setup ?
I don't think there's an accurate answer anyone can give you without having an _exact_ copy of your quad; the while point of having to tune the PID settings is to compensate for the quirks of that particular setup. That includes things like your motors, the center of gravity, the mass and air resistance. The best case scenario is to get some values to work from, but most likely none of those are going to work perfectly on your quad. In return from tuning the PIDs you'll have a quad that performs just like *you* want it to. Since you're the one tuning it you'll be the judge of what the correct settings are, not just some random guy on the internet giving you numbers. Since you asked this 5 months ago I'm sure you've figured this out by now, but this might help someone else so I'm posting it as a response to your question anyway.
That ending was stupid! Very unprofessional! I had just hit the subscribe button, but I don’t think so.
Old Equipment but still actual. So many pid tune vids out there but this old video is still absolute usable.
Still the best video I have seen when it comes to P and I tuning.
Thanks, great demonstration!
And he DID warn you all about the chicken, it's your fault for not reading descriptions. :)
I`m a bit late saying this but this is the best video on youtube for showing how to set these settings! Well done! Best regards fro the UK
Finally a guy's 12 yr old video saved my day
Great work! The best Video about PID tuning I have seen so far. Will definitely try the single axis on a string method!
Thank you so much for this. I was struggling with shaky video as well as almost impossible flight characteristics. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Oh wow finally found your channel Rolf KapteinKUK!!! Just want to say a huge thank you for your contributions to the flight controller world. l am still somewhat of a newbie but learning as quick as l can and after using the KK2.0 with the 1.2 version and now 1.5 firmware l am hooked, its just a beautiful system and very user friendly. l thought my Eagle X6 was good but this BLOWS it out of the water.
Thank you KapteinKUK.....
Geoff
Worth watching til the end ;-)
Totally excellent video, thanks! It is the first vid I've seen that actually demonstrates the effects of bad PID values, very helpful. I like the chicken!
Thank you for the KK2 board! I can fly my first quad with ease! V1.5 auto level works flawlessly and has saved my quad twice! Beware the chicken!
Great Demonstration of a multirotor PID assessment and tuning!
He tried to warn us about the chicken...
Good vid!
I was watching it for the chicken. What was all that crap in the 7:30 before it? XD
that chicken nearly just gave me a freakin heart attack!!!!!! well done takes a lot to spook me
for fuck sake that scared the shit out of me. Even though I was warned..
Good idea to bring in an expert at the end, now it all makes sense!
What about D? For some reason if I keep "I" value at 0, and only configure P and D values everything is alright, "I" for me is useless.
Excellent video, this will be going into my favorites to refer back to when I do any PID tuning.
Thanks Kaptein.
Thanks Rolf. I'd given up on my KK 2.1 board. I'll give it another try with this reference to help.
Chicken was friggin weird. Hope everybody is ok.
Best simulation on youtube. Thanks.
OK, it's easy like that (In theory lol)
So you just need to find the best combination between P and I on Pitch, Roll, Yaw and relative to your style of flying :D
Thanks for this super duper cool video ;)
Thumbs up for your good job
Nice scary chicken lol
WTF WHY THE GODDAM CHICKEN!
exactly
my mom had to tolerate the noise of motors when the quad flew in the videos , but when the *chicken* came at the end..... i was like o.O on seeing it ,n my mom came into the room with thaat frightened look on her face asking "is THIS the part of ur project too, honey" .... n after that i cudnt stop laughing! anyways it ws really valuable info, thanks, now i know why our quad's motors were oscillating so much...
Thanks for your work here! The idea with the rubberbands is good! I found the settings while flying , but it wasnt easy... The end was funny :-)
Thanks bro usefull vid 😊
Can't wait to see the end of the video
J.C. YOU SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+probante same
Very informative. And funny at the end. Thanks.
When the quadcopter tries not to move when he applies force is more of a sign of a high D gain, epically when it doesn't move back to to the level position when he has let the sticks center. If the P or I gain was high then it would shoot back to the level position when he let go of the sticks.
Ain't nuth'n but a chicken wing baby! Startled me a little lol... nice video thanks!
that mount you made is really useful.
7:28, thanks for the nice scare.I think I will have chicken for dinner.
Why after releasing of stick it stay in the position?
I thought that it should automatically flatten to "zero" position (like helicopter)
hey there i have a problem i.e my drones throttle is staying idle and am unable to rectify it??
RIP headphones.. (damn chicken)..
Best vid for kk2 controller. Thanks.
so this only applies to plus config ??, how can be this done to x config ?
Pls demonstrate for D-gain as well.
Give me the values of pi editor menu.. all values that make the drone fly perfectly without any jittering or cause the drone to speed up automatically by its own .. I have that problems.
Thks for good vdo . But I have 1 question for sure. I use cc3d board In vdo "I gain" it mean Pid /roll / yaw ? In cc3d . Thank you
I have my quad tuned pretty fine rigth now, but my chicken is oscillating a little...
Thanks a lot for the vid!
Hi, I'm new in this world of drones: And I have a hobby king kk.2.1.5 on my xcopter, and I have the same problem as in the minut 2:00 from the video I want to know how to rapair it, plese need help. The problem could be to much or to low P/I-gain/limit ?? i dont know. :(
okey, but what are the diferencess from P and I--- and Limit and Gain?
***** hhmm... but in all ( yaw, pitch and roll) are the P I Limit Gain, so its rare, because it can't be another roll in the Roll and also a pitch in the Pitch. do you know what i'm saying? I tried to reduce the I gain, but it doesn't go better. I tried also to change all P I Limit Gain but it aren't going better, I don't know what to do anymore. what numbers do you have on your fly controler?
great Video Rolf, thank you! And to all the haters here... If you got free knowledge and insights and not capable of reading even the warning about the chicken ... too bad for you. Darwin will come and collect at some point ;)
Thanks man. Good visual reference
Excellent demo ! appreciated !
Awesome, easy and simple, how it should be.
Thankyou very much....
Beware of the ch.. HOMG NO! Good video, looks like my quad and I are looking for some bondage time. ;)
Hi, can you please provide the values that we can use for stable flight. I am using KK2.1 Flight Controller, Q450 quad with FlySky ct6b radio transmitter. We are facing problem as our quad stats oscillating after taking off. All the ESC and other calibrations are done. Please help.
Rohit Roy Chowdhury oscillating means your P and I gains are too high for the motor prop config you have...just keep lowering them until it stops
Thank you, exactly what I wanted to know about P & I !
Hi, I have a KKMulticopter v5.5 board and I am having trouble finding and downloading firmware and tools because all KKMulticopter websites are down. Can you help me with it?
Very nice and very educative video !
And what about P limit and I limit ? How to setup them please ?
Great video for us newbies struggling with what to look for and how to correct it....so I built a quad for my grandson that I get a pretty bad propwash like wobble when I am decending strait down.....I've been thinking I need to RAISE the I Gain, but from your video I'm wondering if it is not a to high "I Gain" that I am seeing because it is more of a low freq wobble that makes the quad feel very unstable!
wat is the correct pi setting. plz give me the values
Det er vanligvis mye støy på signalet fra gyroene. Ved bruk av D-term kommer mye av den støyen ut til motorkontrollen. I tillegg vil konstant støy bare fungere som en demper for P og I gain.
Pmsl. Wtf. Damn chicken. Good vid man.
Good vid, loved the chicken.
I have a KK2 V1.2 and i'm wondering if you could help me out, where do i make changes to make the motors act right. when i hit right rudder it goes down, if i hit left rudder it flips right, left aileron goes right and right aileron goes left, elevator its fine. Thank you in advance
Great video! But what about D value?
Awesome video. Very helpful. Any chance you could talk about the D tunning?
***** aaw damn, I wanted the D..
Good demonstration, but nothing on D setting ?
Looking at this video again after a year away from it. My copter is doing some weird stuff and that dang chicken got me again!!!
Note that this quad is NOT in X configuration as most people fly in but rather + configuration. As set up here X configuration would be flying sideways. This shows one advantage of + configuration for setup but I'd run a strong line through quads with round carbon tubes to tie each end to because the round carbon arms are not bolted to the frame and use friction (and in my case a set screw to keep motor arms from rotating I don't want moved) to hold them in so they don't get pulled out... and a safety bottom line to a weight "just in case".
Thanks..was wondering about this.
My tricopter flys great in auto level mode. But if I switch to manual it takes off forward and right super hard. Any ideas? Kk2 board
Always reset the gyros on the KK2 when switching between auto level and normal mode. You can do this by disarming and rearming the board on the ground.
I had that problem too.i had to replace the kk2 board and it fixed it!,it was bad gyro
*****
Then turning on auto level in flight is a no-go don't do it? Have a tricopter also working on setting the correct values.
I had the same thing! its a bad board!i put a new one and it went away!
Try balancing the props and isolate the board from vibrations. You could also try re-flashing to the latest firmware. May be a bad board though.
What do you do with the 'D' value the whole time.....Do you set the 'D' the way you want it first and then set the 'P' and 'I' ???
aside from your dumb chicken at the end, this is a very helpful and informative video.
Not in full manual mode. It will level itself out when in Auto level mode.
So the value which you add on one side, so the same value you tak off on another side?
KK2.16: Self Level mode ON. Difficult to stay in one height as the copter goes up and down. I guess, Pgain too high. Do I have to change Pgain in the self level fille or in the P-Editor? I can´t reallly make it out.
Hahahahahaha!!! Thumbs up for the chicken!!
What about the D? How D affects the whole thing?
Are you using multiwii? how to do PID Tuning in multiwii? I already used it in multiwiiconf but still unstable and too much shaky
i'm korea student, I am doing a project
I would like help please~~
my drone is keeps shaking little by little.
how solution?
excellent demo
but scared the hell out of me in the end
you are genius. thanks a lot for this video
Thanks for the video Obi-Wan (I'm surprised you have the time) and for the KK2 board which has given me hours of entertainmnet. Crashes and all.
That chicken noise sounds like my wife if i wake her up in the middle of the night.. :)
Excellent Work, thank you!
during the single axis tunning the gyro is active or not?
And then what about D gain? During the test D has a exact value or zero?
Which p gain in first part of vid are we talking about
+Vic Prk (Slick Vic) the axis? they each need to be done individually i believe
So I see this is a quad in + configuration, can you set your x configuration quad to + then do the pid setting as per this video.
The change configuration back to x and go fly?
I think you can. The KK has a setting somewhere that lets you leave it mounted like an X, but you tell it it is 45deg off so it uses one of the arms as the front of the + , so you avoid having to re-orient the FCM, in addition to the +quad motor layout change you have to do.
I don't see why would do that. Essentially the quad would fly sideways or in the wrong direction. The fc has to point in the forward direction, if not your radio movements would not be correct.
what about PI limit? what are they?
Great work! thanks for sharing.
hi Rolf, I am trying to let a tricopter with KK2 work. after level calibration the trico flies quite fine but after some time it gets unstable. after disarming, if I check the roll and pitch angles they have changed and they are completely different from the refererence (0 deg for both on leveled surface). I have to calibrate again the accelerometers on a leveled surface and the trico starts to fly well for few seconds. do you know which problem is this one? thanks a lot. Andrea
That sound of the chicken can actually damage good speakers if the gain of the amplifier is set too high. But then... I'm on youtube, I should know that could happen.
Har du noen gang laga vanlig heli eller multicopter med auto stabiliserer?
If too sensitive to throttle stick should I lower P or I values?
I also have issues with sudden rotation around YAW or crazy quick turns for very small YAW adjustment.
When adding bigger props it has also some kind of wave effect, lower oscillation but does not have with smaller stock props.
I cannot setup channel6 and use the sting tuning stuff at the moment, just connectiong to MP try to change some params write params and test again and feel.
(I have my CTUN ThrIn around 740 because of high loadout having a bigger frame also motors having a higher angle tilted to the center with this new S500 frame.)
+FotoAmg AmgFoto turn down your rates. this is separate from the pids. rates change the rate theta changes when you input commands. i hope you figured it out before i commented haha.
chris wang i did autotune also but did not help, got terrible vibration on video and had to revert autotuned pids
very helpful video. My quadcopter rotates 45 degree to the left every time I fly it. How to fix it? After it rotates , it stable //Mine is X mode
Make sure your props are balanced. Vibes can throw off the sensors. Also, try isolating the KK board from vibration. I mounted mine with velcro which works great for reducing vibe transfer.
Nice tuitorial
Great job! you make it look ease.
i really need some help....im lost when it comes to multicopters....but that didnt stop me from building one...lol....i have a kk2 board.....when im tuning the R/P Pi settings do i do so with the auto level turned off????....also how do i adjust the auto level Pi settings...im having a hard time...i can fly my quad....but its terribly hard and usually ends in a crash....help me out guys...i watched a 8 year old kid fly an ardrone like a pro 30 seconds after he opened it....lol
String test is being done on '+' config, so how do you do this string test on 'x' config?
what if you were to set the gains in + config and then once set change back to x config? I haven't tried it yet but seems like it would be a pretty accurate way to get there!?
izzzzzz6 - I'm fairly certain the gains reset as soon as you switch motor configuration.
izzzzzz6 No because the oscillation gains are different.
this is great. i need to build a testing stand. but whats with the "D" ? Can D also be tested using the string method ?
Good demonstration. The chicken at the end made me have a shit attack though! :-)
This chicken is scary indeed
Bloody hell, I frightened myself with that freaking chicken! :)
Thanks for the video Rolf
Could you tell me if you can keep the quad steady at an angle when P&I are correct? For example if you give some stick so that the quad tilts about 10 degrees, does it stay there over time? Or does it drift? Likewise if you keep it level, does it tilt over time?
Thanks
Noticed your brilliant idea on X quad , but can I tie two arms of 230 or 250 size H quad and do the similar pid tuning ? H-quad does not seem balance if tie this way . I have FrSky Taranis and Naze32 acro with cleanflight. Do you have similar setup ?
what about D tuning ?
what gains do you recommend for a blackout mini h im running 2.1.5 RC911 Firmware thanks
i have a mini h and i am wondering that too
I don't think there's an accurate answer anyone can give you without having an _exact_ copy of your quad; the while point of having to tune the PID settings is to compensate for the quirks of that particular setup. That includes things like your motors, the center of gravity, the mass and air resistance. The best case scenario is to get some values to work from, but most likely none of those are going to work perfectly on your quad.
In return from tuning the PIDs you'll have a quad that performs just like *you* want it to. Since you're the one tuning it you'll be the judge of what the correct settings are, not just some random guy on the internet giving you numbers.
Since you asked this 5 months ago I'm sure you've figured this out by now, but this might help someone else so I'm posting it as a response to your question anyway.
thanks for the tuning help!