Nope AWD not needed in the type R, no AWD will not make it better. Honda has honed and perfected FWD performance for decades and it smashes the AWD competition. AWD would just make it heavier and more complex
They did misrepresent it a bit in the marketing. Meanwhile, Toyota dealers are scalping would-be owners to the tune of 10-15K. Minimum.. So none of this matters anyways, except for those looking to pay something like 50-70K for a COROLLA!..... No thanks.
Both guys said they'd choose the GR over the Type R for track use. Wow. Also, they wish the Type R had AWD. Clearly, these are not the people to review such cars.
Full Throttle track timed both cars, the Type R is a faster car around their course. On tracks that are purely twisty cones the GR is quicker because the AWD can pull it out of slow tight corners.
I have both, 4:20 I wouldn’t say the type R feel heavier but the type r does feel “more stable” probably cos the GR is AWD and you can actual feel all four wheels turn.
@@apt62 Plus FR first and second gear wheel hopping sucks annoying ass fug and Type R is so overrated, I know I'm owner of 21' Type R. Turns surprisingly well for FR but feels dirty FR is FR period, I also have 21 STI its smooth as butter. AWD anyday bby!
With a 1.6L 3 cylinder it certainly is a different way of getting there. What was the STI ? I personally don't see the GR as a huge game changer. A solid (hopefully reliable) fun car, you bet. That's coming from a WRX owner (21 years). Bought a GR in February.
Engineers: we must do everything we can to add mechanical downforce and grip so it handles like it’s on rails. Reviewers: it’s too good. Need crappy tires so it can loosen up and people can crash it whenever they try to go fast. smh
Dude, its a FWD based AWD system and the car still has the weight distribution of a FWD car. Power can be sent UP TO 70% to the rear. That does not mean power is always 70% rear, as the 4WD controller still determines how much power is NEEDED for the rear end, and that 70% figure is the MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE torque bias. If the 4WD controller deems it necessary to send that much torque to the rear via sensors, it will do that. The idea that the GRC is some sort of drift machine is laughable, but it's Toyota's fault for marketing it that way.
I may be wrong but the GRC is a FWD biased car and only sends power back to rear axle on demand - up to a maximum of 70% in 30/70 mode - it's not as if it's getting a continuous 30/70 torque distribution.
FWD makes the Civic in my opinion. After spending years driving overpowered RWD cars, the Type R is a breath of fresh air. If you’re a drift king, obviously it’s not the car for you. The Civic with AWD would have more power, probably feel more turbocharged, heavier, paddles, and next thing it’s competing with an M3/M4.
@@ju4121 what are you talking about, do you just buy a car based on top trumps stats? Firstly, re-read what I said, I’m stating that if you made the Type R 4WD then it would likely have more power, heavier, and be more in-line with an M4… As it is, the type R is more of a drivers car than the M4 anyway. I sold my C63 to get in a new Type R. A 911 or Cayman is what I really wanted but I’ve got a young family so neither worked. For me the Supra doesn’t come close as a track/drivers car, I’ve had a B58 m340i and the engine really doesn’t excite me. If you’re a tuner chasing straight line power figures the Supra makes sense.
I think enough reviews are out to get the verdict on these two cars. For starters, neither are slow. Honda is definitely sandbagging the CTR hp numbers, and frankly, so is Toyota. I think both cars are making 10 - 15 more hp than advertised. On tracks with long straights and sweeping corners, the CTR is every bit as fast and even faster than the GR Corolla. However, on tracks with tighter turns, the GRC ears the CTR alive because it can put its power down much sooner. I think the GR Corolla looks better on the outside, but the CTR looks better on the inside. If it was my money, I’d get the GR Corolla because at the end of the day, I enjoy a more raw experience. It is this reason why I daily drive a 2001 BMW Z3 3.0i manual even though I have 2 other far newer and much more refined cars at my disposal. It is really quite a shame that dealerships are going to kill these cars. I have a 2019 AWD Mazda3 Premium that I was 100% going to trade in for the GR Corolla. But I will not be doing that if dealers continue to mark these things up $10,000 +
The CTR is still faster than the GR. If anything both cars are in the same field but the GR Morizo Edition has been slower than the CTR with official track times like the C&D @ VIR The GRCs AWD is setup so that it feels like FWD, the AWD system only kicks in on corner exit, and the system doesn't give you full power to the rear. Theres no cooler for the diff so it can easily overheat giving you the 50/50 split. Either way, you can go wrong with either choice. Its a shame that they are easily obtainable
People that aren’t breaking the rear end loose under power don’t have enough time behind the wheel. I’ve had mine for roughly 1000 miles, and it will absolutely sling the back end out under power in 30:70 in the right circumstances. Very fun, but the car claws its way back to forward push even after a particularly abrupt power slide.
GRC hands down. I want the more raw, livelier experience, plus the awd traction where you can get the power down much earlier, and awd hives you more confidence when driving aggressively. Plus if you live in the north where you get lots of rain and snow the GRC is the obvious choice.
@@UmarTheGreat10 who gives a s*** about one Magazine review. I've driven both and the GRC is way more fun, it's livelier, more raw, and exciting. And you haven't driven either one so you need to keep your mouth shut.
Loved this video. As good as the R is its no longer a hot hatch, it's sized like a few generation old Accord. Still light though and legendary, but I want something tight and tossable, but not a 2 seater so I can fit my kid in the back. 86 or Corolla would be my pick.
@Dante Sparda I tested one out for the whole day with my kid in booster seat. Worked well, but wife can't fit in front so this is basically for just kid and me. We have a second car
It’s strange they would both take the GRC if they were going to buy a track car, since the CTR has won every track time I’ve found online so far. Albeit only slightly. I guess they’re just saying it’s more fun on the track even though it’s slower? I feel like the CTR is very much built for the track. I feel like the GRC isn’t, it’s more for fun stop light to stop light (daily driving) and for a dirt track would be WAY better. Review seems strange to me. Very different than others.
Yeah you nailed it man. GRC is a way more capable ‘real world’ car, while the Type R is a fine tuned track killer. I went with the GRC because I’m not at the track every weekend and prefer the AWD system.
@@layne4376 Think about road imperfections, rain and just overall not ideal conditions. You can drive the GRC at 10/10ths all day and it won't bite you. The Type R feels more refined and fleshed out, but comes at the cost of having to drive with this precision in mind, especially on less-than-perfect roads. I've driven both, I daily one of them; I'm just giving you my thoughts on it. And weirdly enough, under 100mph testing shows the GRC is in fact quicker (gearing perhaps). How often are we all driving over 100mph in the real world? That's what I mean when I say it has that real world edge.
@@layne4376 I'm lagging hard on these replies - my bad. Agreed, the Type R is quicker overall. And I'd honestly hope so considering the GRC is 70lbs heavier and down 15hp comparably (and probably more because of drivetrain loss). I disagree that AWD wouldn't help with varying road and weather conditions, regardless of tire setup; just my opinion though. I’m coming from a Mazdaspeed3 into a GRC. I don't miss the Mazda's wheel hop and suicidal torque steer in the rain lol. What you driving btw?
It's a real shame these cars are unattainable due to the low production numbers and dealer mark-ups. For all practical purposes this video could have been about a Duesenberg cause all three cars are implausible for the average person.
Bit contrary to what other reviewers are saying. Type r is faster in almost all the tracks tested but i guess it comes down to personal preference. And let us not forget the gr corolla goes into limp mode when pushed hard on the tracks meaning awd system shuts down and you’re stuck with type r fwd mode
I personally wouldn't give them flack for the transfer case overheat, it took two laps of the Nurburgring before overheating, which is more than what most people will be doing consecutively at a track day. give the car some rest and it should be fine
@@tetsmon It wouldn't take you 2 laps of Nürburgring to overheat the transfer case though. It has no cooler, so it can easily overheat before you finish your 5 set 20 minute lap session. The system is designed to not give you full 40/60 or 30/70 spilt. It just adjust as needed so you arent always getting all of that power to the rear.
It's not pulling that much harder lol. Type r traps 1-2 mph more than the gr. Not much of a difference. Your butt dyno wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
TOO funny - On my 993 I installed cheap All Season tires (as you pointed out) so it would be a bit more playful on the street & since I toured a bunch with it in the mountains - I encounter snow once and a while & the A/S helped a bit. Coming from a '14 Fiesta ST (Bought new - great fun) I'm on the list for a GR C (Circuit - hopefully) I am done with FWD vehicles so I never did consider the R & I like the look of the GR way better. THX for the comparison.
You have a 993 Porsche and you’re getting a Corolla? Ok it’s not a vanilla Corolla but still. I’d get something like a Subaru outback for other functions that invariably creeps up in life. It’s a playful wagon when you want it to be. This past winter I was drifting my wagon around corners. Helps to have an XT with 260hp.
@@MisterMister5893 Had the 993 (put on 35K miles) & Fiesta ST for the last 9 years. (Variety son Variety) Sold the P-car last year & will sell the ST when the GR C comes in. I've considered buying a Subaru plenty of times over the years - but another vehicle always won out. (even considered a BRZ before I bought the 993 - they were about the same price - THEN)
For me, it was a matter of what I could actually buy for MSRP. In the end, that meant that I got a GR Corolla. That's a win... but so would have been a Civic Type R.
@@bliglum Cincinnati, Ohio. The Beechmont Auto Group (which includes, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Audi and others) has stuck to only local sales at MSRP. #NotAllDealersSuck
@@Sagiru Argh. I'm in central FL. Extraordinarily high demand here, apparently.. They're still even marking the GR86's up by around 5K!.. BRZ's can sometimes be found for MSRP. But BRZ's are uglier, so yeah.
Modern fwd loss is around 11% or so maybe 12 at the most - rwd is 14 to 15% and awd is 18 to 22% depending on systems This is why measured whp matters in the end - measures what's happening at the wheels vs sandbaghing the hp rating at the crank with BS numbers Type Rs are 285-300whp stock with the FL5 making the higher end vs the FK8 making the lower end of 285-290ish
They really should of just made the GR Corolla a FWD hatch with either the Lexus 2.0T or the 1.6T and marketed it as a 24-28k car. Would sell like crazy and people that Will buy, take the GTI/ SI market
Yeah, i absolutely agree with you! The main problem with the GR Corolla is that the interior for a $43,000 hot hatch "feels" like Corolla which is NOT something that I want. Other than my being a Honda danboy lol, the interior of the Civic Type R feels much more premium for $44,000.
@@ericschwartz100Well, Supercars go for like 300k and their interiors are minimal and not really luxurious so I’d take the GRC any day even if the interior isn’t as good.
@@moomer2675 yeah, but here’s the difference: the GR Corolla & the Civic type R aren’t considered super cars; not to me at least. They are considered hot hatches. That’s it.
Cool. Now let’s start doing tests against cars that are selling for the same price, namely GT350R’s, ZL1’s, C6 Z06’s, CTS-AB’s, M3/4’s, RS3’s, etc., and see the results 👍
Toyotas are more reliable as a brand however, I think the type r is going to be a little more reliable in the long run. Built better less mechanical components due to the GRs 4 wheel drive tech that may wear over time and the Honda is already built stronger it seems.
Frankly, the GR Corolla is more of a boy racer type of hot hatch styling,whereas the Type R looks and feels more grown up in this new iteration, and it fits the mature motor enthusiast more than anything, at least for those who have a more moderate budget. 😅✌️
So those "as tested" prices, where were they tested? I am guessing Fantasy land. In the real world both of these cars are wildly overpriced for what they are, even msrp is asking a lot, paying more is just absurd. The whole point of factory hopped up econo cars is to offer affordable fun performance cars with a bit of practically. Neither of these cars are affordable so both are a failure IMO. For what they actually cost there are far better performance cars.
Ohh. Could yall imagine if Honda decided to drop a Type-R with their "SH" AWD?!? Wait... That's where the new Integra comes in doesn't it?!? An SH-AWD "Integra Type-R" would REDEEM the Integra name!! We're waiting Honda!!!
CTR In every category by a mile only thing Toyota has over Civic is AWD. CTR drives better better build quality looks better more space better engine. Faster and more capable car at the track. Toyota AWD better traction of the line that’s all the Toyota has over the civic. Traction alone doesn’t make a car automatically better.
Lol - the R already destroyed the mrrrizo edition at the track. The R actually digs into corners due to the diff. I wonder if yall smoked something before the drive?
The Type R is trash in any inclement weather or on any broken pavement of any sort. I hated driving my FK8 in the winter or in the rain, even with Blizzak tires on it. No traction, wheel spin for days. Absolutely phenomenal car when it is 65 and sunny outside, though.
The fact that the Type R is bigger, lighter, has more power (less drivetrain loss), wider, and is faster around the track, kind of makes it a no brainer. It’s a more track focused car and a better daily.
Not if you are on wet or snowy roads, GRC is my choice. The type-r has gotten way to large over the years, I much prefer a smaller more nimble driving experience.
@@dougmaverick3287 So for people that don’t deal with snow the majority of the year, the Type R is clearly the better choice. It’s bigger, faster, and lighter. It’s really incredible what Honda has managed to accomplish. The GRC is a heavier car that still understeers like a FWD car. So where’s the advantage? Again, minus in the snow.
@@BlueFL5 Front-wheel drive my friend is the worst platform for a sports car. Why do you think all the high-end sports car manufacturers including Porsche Ferrari Lamborghini Corvette Koenigsegg Pagani Caterham Mustang Bugatti Aston Martin Alfa Romeo Jaguar all use either all-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive platforms it's because front-wheel drive sucks because front-wheel-drive has to put steering breaking and power through the front wheels something has to give. FWD=everyday boring driving.
@@dougmaverick3287 then explain to me why if FWD is so bad, how does the Type R overcome this and manage to 1. Be faster than a GRC. 2. Be a more track focused/dialed-in than the GRC according to most comparisons? Minus this one of course. Boring doesn’t make it not fast lol just like Floyd Mayweather was “boring” yet never lost. By the way hyper cars are RWD/ AWD because they have 600-1000 HP lmao these cars have 300hp and don’t need AWD.
@@BlueFL5 I never said the gr Corolla is faster on a dry racetrack, but what it is is more fun, more entertaining more raw, livelier, responsive, Etc just like these gentlemen said in the video. I'd rather have the more fun car the more entertaining car then the faster car on a dry racetrack. The GRC would destroy the CTR on a wet race track or a dirt track gravel anything but dry. I plan on getting a car for the racetrack and it will be an ND Miata way better for the track than the CTR.
Yeah but who cares, 97% of your driving is on public roads. GRC all the way. You can have your understeery Type R and I'll take the mighty traction of the GRC
@@b20vteg wrong it's inevitable to get understeer from every single front-wheel drive vehicle because that's the nature of the beast when you're trying to put power steering and braking all through the front wheels something has to give. My friend why do you think all high-end sports car manufacturers including Bugatti Pagani Porsche Ferrari Corvette Koenigsegg Lamborghini Caterham all use either an all-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive platforms, none of them use front-wheel drive and that's for a good reason, fwd sucks.
I want a small Corolla wagon. Or I'll continue driving my Volvo V50. These are more the size of an Accord or Camry now. So I have no interest in either of these. Give me a small Corolla hatchback or wagon with Camry hybrid or Rav 4 Prime PHEV engine.
Nope AWD not needed in the type R, no AWD will not make it better. Honda has honed and perfected FWD performance for decades and it smashes the AWD competition. AWD would just make it heavier and more complex
Kid do you even own one? lmao NO so stfu cuz you don't know shit. I have both and I wish Type R was awd everyday.
Why do people expect the Corolla to be a drift car 😐
That is how Toyota marketed it.
@@Swiftgringo yeah in the dirt/mud/gravel, not on a paved track, thats the gr86
Ae86 fans? Gr86 is a Subaru
Literally how they marketed it.
They did misrepresent it a bit in the marketing.
Meanwhile, Toyota dealers are scalping would-be owners to the tune of 10-15K. Minimum.. So none of this matters anyways, except for those looking to pay something like 50-70K for a COROLLA!..... No thanks.
Both guys said they'd choose the GR over the Type R for track use. Wow. Also, they wish the Type R had AWD. Clearly, these are not the people to review such cars.
The GR is definitely meant to be a rally car for the street
Full Throttle track timed both cars, the Type R is a faster car around their course. On tracks that are purely twisty cones the GR is quicker because the AWD can pull it out of slow tight corners.
I have both, 4:20 I wouldn’t say the type R feel heavier but the type r does feel “more stable” probably cos the GR is AWD and you can actual feel all four wheels turn.
So you’re considered one of the dumbest buyers in 2023?
Driven both car last week. If I’m buying a weekend car GR would be my pick, it’s more raw, I feel more connected to the car.
@@apt62 Plus FR first and second gear wheel hopping sucks annoying ass fug and Type R is so overrated, I know I'm owner of 21' Type R. Turns surprisingly well for FR but feels dirty FR is FR period, I also have 21 STI its smooth as butter. AWD anyday bby!
@@misnomerl6329There's been a WRX in my driveway since '02. Really wanted to buy a '23 STI, bought a GR about six weeks ago.
Toyota GR is an evolution 💫
With a 1.6L 3 cylinder it certainly is a different way of getting there. What was the STI ? I personally don't see the GR as a huge game changer. A solid (hopefully reliable) fun car, you bet. That's coming from a WRX owner (21 years). Bought a GR in February.
3 cylinder turbo is weak link.
@@realnapster1522people are pushing 500+ hp out of this engine
Engineers: we must do everything we can to add mechanical downforce and grip so it handles like it’s on rails.
Reviewers: it’s too good. Need crappy tires so it can loosen up and people can crash it whenever they try to go fast.
smh
Default split is 60/40 on the GRC, not 50/50
Dude, its a FWD based AWD system and the car still has the weight distribution of a FWD car. Power can be sent UP TO 70% to the rear. That does not mean power is always 70% rear, as the 4WD controller still determines how much power is NEEDED for the rear end, and that 70% figure is the MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE torque bias. If the 4WD controller deems it necessary to send that much torque to the rear via sensors, it will do that. The idea that the GRC is some sort of drift machine is laughable, but it's Toyota's fault for marketing it that way.
It’s a track monster. One of the best handing cars I’ve driven and I’m proud to own a loaded core
I may be wrong but the GRC is a FWD biased car and only sends power back to rear axle on demand - up to a maximum of 70% in 30/70 mode - it's not as if it's getting a continuous 30/70 torque distribution.
Comes only in 6 manual transmission. “Any complain will be throw to the garbage” epic 😅
2 of the most boring reviewers driving 2 of the most exciting cars
GR for me. I’ve got a GR Yaris and for the UK and our weather it’s perfect. It’s such a fun raw drivers car and it’s not £47k like the CTR is here.
FWD makes the Civic in my opinion. After spending years driving overpowered RWD cars, the Type R is a breath of fresh air. If you’re a drift king, obviously it’s not the car for you. The Civic with AWD would have more power, probably feel more turbocharged, heavier, paddles, and next thing it’s competing with an M3/M4.
Lol an m3/m4 that easily beats a supra but the supra kills the type r. After it beats a m3/m4, the type should take on a 911
@@ju4121 what are you talking about, do you just buy a car based on top trumps stats? Firstly, re-read what I said, I’m stating that if you made the Type R 4WD then it would likely have more power, heavier, and be more in-line with an M4… As it is, the type R is more of a drivers car than the M4 anyway. I sold my C63 to get in a new Type R. A 911 or Cayman is what I really wanted but I’ve got a young family so neither worked. For me the Supra doesn’t come close as a track/drivers car, I’ve had a B58 m340i and the engine really doesn’t excite me. If you’re a tuner chasing straight line power figures the Supra makes sense.
@Paul go drive some actual cars instead of being a clueless keyboard warrior.
I think enough reviews are out to get the verdict on these two cars. For starters, neither are slow. Honda is definitely sandbagging the CTR hp numbers, and frankly, so is Toyota. I think both cars are making 10 - 15 more hp than advertised. On tracks with long straights and sweeping corners, the CTR is every bit as fast and even faster than the GR Corolla. However, on tracks with tighter turns, the GRC ears the CTR alive because it can put its power down much sooner. I think the GR Corolla looks better on the outside, but the CTR looks better on the inside. If it was my money, I’d get the GR Corolla because at the end of the day, I enjoy a more raw experience. It is this reason why I daily drive a 2001 BMW Z3 3.0i manual even though I have 2 other far newer and much more refined cars at my disposal. It is really quite a shame that dealerships are going to kill these cars. I have a 2019 AWD Mazda3 Premium that I was 100% going to trade in for the GR Corolla. But I will not be doing that if dealers continue to mark these things up $10,000 +
The CTR is still faster than the GR. If anything both cars are in the same field but the GR Morizo Edition has been slower than the CTR with official track times like the C&D @ VIR
The GRCs AWD is setup so that it feels like FWD, the AWD system only kicks in on corner exit, and the system doesn't give you full power to the rear. Theres no cooler for the diff so it can easily overheat giving you the 50/50 split.
Either way, you can go wrong with either choice. Its a shame that they are easily obtainable
@@rjhick1civic only faster on straight aways cuz its got more pwr
All the gr dynos are low on numbers. All the type r are high on number.
@@justinhale2160 bad dyno technique - shouldnt use awd mode
@@tinhinnh The CTR is more powerful and lacks AWD so it has far less drivetrain loss. From all aspects it SHOULD be the faster car in a straight line.
Let’s not talk prices. Most dealers all over the US have ruined MSRP with ADM.
People that aren’t breaking the rear end loose under power don’t have enough time behind the wheel. I’ve had mine for roughly 1000 miles, and it will absolutely sling the back end out under power in 30:70 in the right circumstances. Very fun, but the car claws its way back to forward push even after a particularly abrupt power slide.
Can't wait to get one of these used in 5 years lol
GRC hands down.
I want the more raw, livelier experience, plus the awd traction where you can get the power down much earlier, and awd hives you more confidence when driving aggressively.
Plus if you live in the north where you get lots of rain and snow the GRC is the obvious choice.
I own the car, definitely agree. Real-world conditions it is a much more exciting car to drive around.
Lmao check car and driver it lost the comparison test. Nothing compares with the type R
@@UmarTheGreat10 who gives a s*** about one Magazine review.
I've driven both and the GRC is way more fun, it's livelier, more raw, and exciting.
And you haven't driven either one so you need to keep your mouth shut.
@@UmarTheGreat10 k. You obviously prefer Honda no matter what, not sure what your objective is here. I drove both before making a decision, have you?
You get the tail out on the GR with the handbreak! RALLY STYLE
Loved this video. As good as the R is its no longer a hot hatch, it's sized like a few generation old Accord. Still light though and legendary, but I want something tight
and tossable, but not a 2 seater so I can fit my kid in the back. 86 or Corolla would be my pick.
86 is tiny the rear seats are useless even for kids, more like extra storage.
@Dante Sparda I tested one out for the whole day with my kid in booster seat. Worked well, but wife can't fit in front so this is basically for just kid and me. We have a second car
The GR Corolla weighs more than the CTR though, it just looks smaller
So you're saying the VW Gold R is not a hot hatch either?
@@wanglee21 Golf R is the classic hot hatch. I'm talking about CTR
GR Corolla for 2 main reasons:
Being awd and compact
Unfortunately civic becomes more and more biger, it should be named accord type R, and fwd...
👍👍👏👏
It’s strange they would both take the GRC if they were going to buy a track car, since the CTR has won every track time I’ve found online so far. Albeit only slightly. I guess they’re just saying it’s more fun on the track even though it’s slower? I feel like the CTR is very much built for the track. I feel like the GRC isn’t, it’s more for fun stop light to stop light (daily driving) and for a dirt track would be WAY better. Review seems strange to me. Very different than others.
Yeah you nailed it man. GRC is a way more capable ‘real world’ car, while the Type R is a fine tuned track killer. I went with the GRC because I’m not at the track every weekend and prefer the AWD system.
@@layne4376 Think about road imperfections, rain and just overall not ideal conditions. You can drive the GRC at 10/10ths all day and it won't bite you. The Type R feels more refined and fleshed out, but comes at the cost of having to drive with this precision in mind, especially on less-than-perfect roads. I've driven both, I daily one of them; I'm just giving you my thoughts on it. And weirdly enough, under 100mph testing shows the GRC is in fact quicker (gearing perhaps). How often are we all driving over 100mph in the real world? That's what I mean when I say it has that real world edge.
@@layne4376 I'm lagging hard on these replies - my bad. Agreed, the Type R is quicker overall. And I'd honestly hope so considering the GRC is 70lbs heavier and down 15hp comparably (and probably more because of drivetrain loss). I disagree that AWD wouldn't help with varying road and weather conditions, regardless of tire setup; just my opinion though. I’m coming from a Mazdaspeed3 into a GRC. I don't miss the Mazda's wheel hop and suicidal torque steer in the rain lol. What you driving btw?
I’d take the gr Corolla.
Same
It’s junk.
@@realnapster1522ur junk
@@realnapster1522 Be nice 😅
The paint job is very nice. Exhaust note was perfect for the car.
Strange Honda will undoubtedly post a mega almost unbeatable track time, you really can't go wrong with either tho
I like the look and space of the type R, but that Corolla’s awd is a must have.
did he just say, "tail happy endings?" 🤣
Antics. ANTICS! Not endings!😂
It's a real shame these cars are unattainable due to the low production numbers and dealer mark-ups. For all practical purposes this video could have been about a Duesenberg cause all three cars are implausible for the average person.
Type R and GR All Day. Not even close 😂😅
It's the same car just better
The GRC and GRY awd systems logic isnt tuned to get it to slide. It is possible to do that with an after market awd controller.
View the Wheels Australia review of the GRC on you tube
GR is Superior because it is AWD and actually a Hatchback.
Bit contrary to what other reviewers are saying. Type r is faster in almost all the tracks tested but i guess it comes down to personal preference. And let us not forget the gr corolla goes into limp mode when pushed hard on the tracks meaning awd system shuts down and you’re stuck with type r fwd mode
I personally wouldn't give them flack for the transfer case overheat, it took two laps of the Nurburgring before overheating, which is more than what most people will be doing consecutively at a track day. give the car some rest and it should be fine
@@tetsmon It wouldn't take you 2 laps of Nürburgring to overheat the transfer case though. It has no cooler, so it can easily overheat before you finish your 5 set 20 minute lap session. The system is designed to not give you full 40/60 or 30/70 spilt. It just adjust as needed so you arent always getting all of that power to the rear.
I’ll be cross shopping these in a year. I’ll also be considering the focus RS. Oh boy! Fun times to come.
11:30 disagree, 300 on the type r being FWD pulls much harder that 300 on the AWD.
It's not pulling that much harder lol. Type r traps 1-2 mph more than the gr. Not much of a difference. Your butt dyno wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
talk to me when you own both
@DX LIU I own an 11 second mkiv supra. Look on my channel cupcake.
@@liudxdx I own the GRC, Type R is objectively faster.
@@ryanw3907 I own the GRC and the type r for 5 years already, speaking from my own experience type r pulls harder from 50-120
TOO funny - On my 993 I installed cheap All Season tires (as you pointed out) so it would be a bit more playful on the street & since I toured a bunch with it in the mountains - I encounter snow once and a while & the A/S helped a bit.
Coming from a '14 Fiesta ST (Bought new - great fun) I'm on the list for a GR C (Circuit - hopefully)
I am done with FWD vehicles so I never did consider the R & I like the look of the GR way better.
THX for the comparison.
You have a 993 Porsche and you’re getting a Corolla? Ok it’s not a vanilla Corolla but still. I’d get something like a Subaru outback for other functions that invariably creeps up in life. It’s a playful wagon when you want it to be. This past winter I was drifting my wagon around corners. Helps to have an XT with 260hp.
@@MisterMister5893 Had the 993 (put on 35K miles) & Fiesta ST for the last 9 years. (Variety son Variety)
Sold the P-car last year & will sell the ST when the GR C comes in.
I've considered buying a Subaru plenty of times over the years - but another vehicle always won out. (even considered a BRZ before I bought the 993 - they were about the same price - THEN)
Yeah no one is getting a type r for 44 k they’re all over 50 which puts them head to head with better cars for the money
Type R is faster in track tests lol. Even vs the Morizo edition. Y'all are clueless 😂
I’d choose the corolla before the civic
It's more raw👍
For me, it was a matter of what I could actually buy for MSRP. In the end, that meant that I got a GR Corolla. That's a win... but so would have been a Civic Type R.
Where do you live to be able to get a GR Corolla for MSRP?
@@bliglum Cincinnati, Ohio. The Beechmont Auto Group (which includes, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Audi and others) has stuck to only local sales at MSRP.
#NotAllDealersSuck
@@Sagiru Argh. I'm in central FL. Extraordinarily high demand here, apparently..
They're still even marking the GR86's up by around 5K!.. BRZ's can sometimes be found for MSRP. But BRZ's are uglier, so yeah.
@@bliglum Mine was MSRP + $1300 dealer add ons. Didn't like it but it was acceptable. At 73 my clock is ticking, stretch run
@@stevethomas760will buy if u pass 💀
The new Type r is made for old people,, that's why they call it grown 🤣. The FK8 looks better.
yet its way stiffer, are you sure
I choose the GRC 😍🤤🔥🔥🔥
"being FWD costs you 15-17% drive train loss while AWD will cost you 20%" - Lao Tzu
Modern fwd loss is around 11% or so maybe 12 at the most - rwd is 14 to 15% and awd is 18 to 22% depending on systems
This is why measured whp matters in the end - measures what's happening at the wheels vs sandbaghing the hp rating at the crank with BS numbers
Type Rs are 285-300whp stock with the FL5 making the higher end vs the FK8 making the lower end of 285-290ish
@@TheFK8Life I expect references in appendix 1a of your paper
@CuriousDrew I'm make 566whp with a fwd - what do you make ?
@@TheFK8Life 567whp
@CuriousDrew link your video because we both know your making more like 200whp in your slow shitbox kid
GR for me. I just drove a core edition, wow what fun for $38k. Type R around me are at least $45k.
They already have awd that they put in crv's why not make a civic hatch type R?
I just get both cars…in video 😞
You wont get the Type R at MSRP.
Both car will hold great value.
Both awesome cars not sure the hate on the Corolla interior I find it nice and the seats are some of the best
Great work guys
Will probably keep Type R in garage for weekend and daily GR lol
They really should of just made the GR Corolla a FWD hatch with either the Lexus 2.0T or the 1.6T and marketed it as a 24-28k car. Would sell like crazy and people that Will buy, take the GTI/ SI market
1450 kg Is too much for a 1.6 with 300hp.
I was at a car show and sat in a GR orolla.... it felt like a corolla... I wish I was able to drive it to get the feel of it.
Yeah, i absolutely agree with you! The main problem with the GR Corolla is that the interior for a $43,000 hot hatch "feels" like Corolla which is NOT something that I want. Other than my being a Honda danboy lol, the interior of the Civic Type R feels much more premium for $44,000.
@@ericschwartz100Well, Supercars go for like 300k and their interiors are minimal and not really luxurious so I’d take the GRC any day even if the interior isn’t as good.
@@moomer2675 yeah, but here’s the difference: the GR Corolla & the Civic type R aren’t considered super cars; not to me at least. They are considered hot hatches. That’s it.
The first time I saw a GR was when I got to the dealer to pick it up. Nuts, 40K sight unseen. Thank goodness I like the car
@@ericschwartz100Have seen the interior of a Tesla lately ???
Good luck purchasing one of these cars without unnecessarily throwing a lot of money away.
Cool. Now let’s start doing tests against cars that are selling for the same price, namely GT350R’s, ZL1’s, C6 Z06’s, CTS-AB’s, M3/4’s, RS3’s, etc., and see the results 👍
Lol mrsp starts around 40k.. Blame dealers and people paying for those prices. And people are paying 911 turbo s money for a C8 😂😂😂
You can't afford them anyway kid - just stop hating on the Type R because it kicks your ass
Lmao! I want to shop for cars where you do buddy! Give your head a shake. Actually don’t, sounds like your brain has been rattled to much already!😂
None are in the same price range as these two. People act like every single type r and gr are marked up 20k..
@@colinfitzpatrick9931 people can’t be this dumb, right? 😂
your video quality says 4k but it looks like it was recorded with a potato.
Toyotas are more reliable as a brand however, I think the type r is going to be a little more reliable in the long run. Built better less mechanical components due to the GRs 4 wheel drive tech that may wear over time and the Honda is already built stronger it seems.
This 3 cylinder turbo is overstressed. That’s the weak link.
1:06 are you sure they are bigger they look the exact same from the FK8
Homologation special is enough for me.
Both cost more than a decent 996 turbo where I live.
get both!!!
Frankly, the GR Corolla is more of a boy racer type of hot hatch styling,whereas the Type R looks and feels more grown up in this new iteration, and it fits the mature motor enthusiast more than anything, at least for those who have a more moderate budget. 😅✌️
Got my GR for 40K, wanted a Type R. From what I understand the mark ups are crazy. It's a great 45K car, not a 55K car.
@@stevethomas760 you can’t get a gr corolla for 40. Out the door they’re like 45 no markup
@@christopherbassit2757 My MSRP was $38,661, paid $40, 661 for the car + GA taxes
It's the other way a civic it's for kids and GR it's for adults
GR it's a beast
the funny thing is....80% of the ppl will disagree with you on the fk8 comments.
So those "as tested" prices, where were they tested? I am guessing Fantasy land. In the real world both of these cars are wildly overpriced for what they are, even msrp is asking a lot, paying more is just absurd.
The whole point of factory hopped up econo cars is to offer affordable fun performance cars with a bit of practically. Neither of these cars are affordable so both are a failure IMO. For what they actually cost there are far better performance cars.
GR all day not even close.
I'll take the Toyota folks. Cape Town South Africa
Ohh. Could yall imagine if Honda decided to drop a Type-R with their "SH" AWD?!? Wait...
That's where the new Integra comes in doesn't it?!? An SH-AWD "Integra Type-R" would REDEEM the Integra name!! We're waiting Honda!!!
16:45 is so wrong 😅 rookies.
Civic type r is far better to me
Me taking meticulous notes like I could afford either one of these.
In the race i think type r will win k24 with turbo and v tec the best
I want a GT-R Honyota.
CTR In every category by a mile only thing Toyota has over Civic is AWD. CTR drives better better build quality looks better more space better engine. Faster and more capable car at the track. Toyota AWD better traction of the line that’s all the Toyota has over the civic. Traction alone doesn’t make a car automatically better.
Type R all day, everyday
Lol - the R already destroyed the mrrrizo edition at the track. The R actually digs into corners due to the diff. I wonder if yall smoked something before the drive?
The Type R is trash in any inclement weather or on any broken pavement of any sort. I hated driving my FK8 in the winter or in the rain, even with Blizzak tires on it. No traction, wheel spin for days. Absolutely phenomenal car when it is 65 and sunny outside, though.
As you said FK8, massive difference in rear traction to the FL5
The fact that the Type R is bigger, lighter, has more power (less drivetrain loss), wider, and is faster around the track, kind of makes it a no brainer. It’s a more track focused car and a better daily.
Not if you are on wet or snowy roads, GRC is my choice.
The type-r has gotten way to large over the years, I much prefer a smaller more nimble driving experience.
@@dougmaverick3287 So for people that don’t deal with snow the majority of the year, the Type R is clearly the better choice. It’s bigger, faster, and lighter. It’s really incredible what Honda has managed to accomplish. The GRC is a heavier car that still understeers like a FWD car. So where’s the advantage? Again, minus in the snow.
@@BlueFL5
Front-wheel drive my friend is the worst platform for a sports car.
Why do you think all the high-end sports car manufacturers including Porsche Ferrari Lamborghini Corvette Koenigsegg Pagani Caterham Mustang Bugatti Aston Martin Alfa Romeo Jaguar all use either all-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive platforms it's because front-wheel drive sucks because front-wheel-drive has to put steering breaking and power through the front wheels something has to give.
FWD=everyday boring driving.
@@dougmaverick3287 then explain to me why if FWD is so bad, how does the Type R overcome this and manage to 1. Be faster than a GRC. 2. Be a more track focused/dialed-in than the GRC according to most comparisons? Minus this one of course. Boring doesn’t make it not fast lol just like Floyd Mayweather was “boring” yet never lost. By the way hyper cars are RWD/ AWD because they have 600-1000 HP lmao these cars have 300hp and don’t need AWD.
@@BlueFL5 I never said the gr Corolla is faster on a dry racetrack, but what it is is more fun, more entertaining more raw, livelier, responsive, Etc just like these gentlemen said in the video.
I'd rather have the more fun car the more entertaining car then the faster car on a dry racetrack.
The GRC would destroy the CTR on a wet race track or a dirt track gravel anything but dry.
I plan on getting a car for the racetrack and it will be an ND Miata way better for the track than the CTR.
Gr corola wins a day
Gr 4 m3
Who cares? Dealers will mark both up to cost as much as an M3
GR = MSRP + $1300, 40K. Shop around
The Type R looks much better. It does not have those ugly bolt in bits the Toyota has.
They look crap sorry but if I was 10 I but one. Won’t sell many of them in England at all .
People who buy them need something to do lol must be mad
overall type R is better, i own both cars
elantra n wins again for fun factor
I'm sorry, but the Civic would destroy the Corolla on track.
Yeah but who cares, 97% of your driving is on public roads.
GRC all the way.
You can have your understeery Type R and I'll take the mighty traction of the GRC
@@dougmaverick3287 except you've never driven a Civic Type-R, and there is no understeer unless you're going 10/10ths, which most people don't/can't
@@b20vteg wrong it's inevitable to get understeer from every single front-wheel drive vehicle because that's the nature of the beast when you're trying to put power steering and braking all through the front wheels something has to give.
My friend why do you think all high-end sports car manufacturers including Bugatti Pagani Porsche Ferrari Corvette Koenigsegg Lamborghini Caterham all use either an all-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive platforms, none of them use front-wheel drive and that's for a good reason, fwd sucks.
@@dougmaverick3287 same old rhetoric "fwd sucks" blablabla. go drive one and then come back
@@dougmaverick3287 AWD also understeers - just like this GRC
Buy an Si...then add power and handling changes...makes a better car than a Type R 🧐
I want a small Corolla wagon. Or I'll continue driving my Volvo V50. These are more the size of an Accord or Camry now. So I have no interest in either of these. Give me a small Corolla hatchback or wagon with Camry hybrid or Rav 4 Prime PHEV engine.
toyota has the best resale value over any other brand in the world
@@commandmastacheef Very true. But I think the CIvic Type R will have better resale than the Corolla.
I’ll take the fk8….lol
If you have any advice on how to actually buy one at MSRP HMU THnxxxx
Type R all day and its not even close
Driven both I prefer the GR.
except snow days 😂
@@tinhinnh
Winter tires….😂
@@apt62
It takes all kinds….
Drove both, the GR is better everywhere except the interior which i don't really care about