Subscribe to Robby Soave's weekly newsletter, Free Media, on free speech, social media, and why everyone in the media is wrong everywhere all the time: reason.pub/3YtKFfN
He also lied about what the jury's verdict was about in an effort to shame and berate someone to coax a desired response, so malicious intent was blatant.
I think it is more than that. My guess is something was discovered, either in emails or other recorded materials, which showed a malicious intent. The bar for defamation of a public figure is quite high. In 10 years, someone will write a book and we will find out.
@@alienhawkq4690 I agree. There was some seriously damning info in the deeper discovery that had just been ordered that they didn’t want and couldn’t have come out, as well as what would have come out in the deposition George Stephanopoulos would have had to sit for! I also think there was a good bit of damning info that had nothing to do w that specific lawsuit and news segment where the defamation was said, but had to do w all sorts of other things and Trump would have found out about all of it during the deeper discovery and deposition! Which, of course that would also be made publicly available. Some serious ish they want to keep hidden and that could have dire consequences and ramifications. I think this aspect is what they were actually more worried about and wanting to protect bc of how bad and serious whatever they’re hiding is and how the consequences and ramifications would be way, way worse and serious than losing the lawsuit w whatever info would have come out about the details specific to the lawsuit.
@@alienhawkq4690 she kept correcting him and he was insistent on saying the verdict wrong to harass someone into doing what he wanted. Even if discovery would show things worse, malicious intent which is the one hard thing to prove was very obvious
Defamation law [in the USA] is not about punishing the speech, it is about compensation for damages. I have a right to bear arms, but if I use any sort of arm to shatter a car window either maliciously or negligently then I should be made to pay for that damage plus some punitive extra for the additional hazard risk to bystanders.
Punishment for defamation in no way conflicts with free speech absolutism. In defamation, it's not the speech that is being punished. It's the action. An example of speech that results in action: if three people collude to rob a bank, and they discuss a plan of action, once that action is completed, they can't claim that they're being punished for the words they exchanged in formulating the plan. The punishment is for the action. Some actions require coordination that involves spoken words or communication of some kind, but that action isn't protected in any way by "freedom of speech", just because words were necessary to complete that action. A completed plan of action is VERY different than unanticipated damaging consequences of communicated ideas. While ideas may sometimes have consequences that cause damage, they aren't part of a plan of action, thus not directly connected. It's impossible to accurately predict the consequences of ideas, thereby removing agency. Agency is the important factor in deciding the connection between consequences and words.
I live in Iowa, the Des Moines Register has done this type of thing in local Iowa elections for decades. This is not the first time that they have tried to sway elections to the left. This poll was definitely on purpose.
My heart goes out to ABC during this tough time. Hopefully they will be able to continue their work in telling the people propaganda without the fear of telling the truth.
It's weird that you think the poll chick wouldn't deliberately lie simply because she was discredited afterwards. Her problem was she thought she was a big enough MSM player to get away with lying with no consequences. The reality is, every liar on stations like CNN or MSNBC or on shows like Kimmel and The View should be discredited and out of a job after being caught.
As a libertarian I'm a huge fan of freedom of the press. BUT they still have an obligation to report the truth, and to clearly identify their opinions as opinions and not facts.
When George got put on that morning show "Daybreak!" or whatever it was, that was the beginning of the end for him. Here he fancied himself some kind of hard-nose journalist but now he's doing happy-face morning shows LOL This Nancy Mace interview looks like George trying to get himself taken seriously again but oops!! he jumped the shark.
The problem with the poll was that she thought her team would win... er, Democrat's would win, and then there would be no repercussions. As we now know with absolute certainty, Democrats pardon their team when they break laws that enrich their families and friends.
They settled bc discovery would have unearthed internal emails that they did NOT want to be made public. Almost certainly because it would have shown massive bias.
This is probably the whole reason for the lawsuits, not the money. The deep discovery would not only show blatant bias, but possibly communications with the DNC or White House. The suing of the pollster seems odd, but again, if they suspect that there was coordination with the Dems, discovery could uncover it.
Every American Has the 'Right to be left alone.' - that's what the Bill of Rights is all about. Trump Won, again, and perhaps ABC will learn from this ?
I REALLY think that when Trump builds his museum and presidential library, there should be a statue of George Stephanopoulos in fron of it with a sign that says "This Library would not have been possible, without George Stephanopoulos' inability to tell the truth."
From now on journalists of all shapes and sizes will have to check their facts twice and will have to think twice before they speak just like santa and his list.
Des Moines Register feels like a bet by Trump. Sue them to get to discovery phase (if judge allows obviously) and see if that poll was legit or orchestrated by the Harris campaign to cause a panic
You honestly believe the Iowa poll was not deliberately skewed? Of course it was. I just do not think it worth taking action as she has imploded her own career.
This interview is what's shocking! The fact that they think this argument is going to garner public favor shows just how detached they are from the rest of its who have "had it up to here" with the legacy media!
He said "convicted" which indicates criminal trial. The issue on the Iowa poll was purposefully misrepresented and did she receive compensation. Come on guys do better
Corporate media must (without violating the Constitution and/or creating more laws) be held accountable for the lies, half truths, purposeful and targeted misinformation, anti-American rhetoric, racist rants, and selective reporting that has become a staple of that community. Not just the journalists, but the bosses as well.
This wasnt just a result of abc trying to buy off bad pr. It doesnt get much worse than openly apologizing for lying. At least had they maintained their innocence they could have just issued a “we maintain we did nothing wrong but we will respect the courts ruling”. Abc knew they were cooked, knew the statements were false, and knew there was enough surrounding context with the speaker to establish that there was malice involved.
Could you imagine Walter Cronkite behaving like George Stephonopolis? OF COURSE NOT!!! Cronkite reported the news factually and without bias. So when he did give his opinion (under the banner clearly identified as “Editorial”) it carried WEIGHT!
Funny, the Dems tried to use the legal system to squash him, now he's turned the tables and using the legal system to expose their dirty deeds. I hope he starts suing the AGs as well.
Subscribe to Robby Soave's weekly newsletter, Free Media, on free speech, social media, and why everyone in the media is wrong everywhere all the time: reason.pub/3YtKFfN
How dare The News be held to the standard of telling the truth
It’s sets a dangerous precedent, [that we will have to tell the truth]... what a crazy thing to have come out of your mouth.
What if the pollster was 2 percent off. That the point of the danger of that. You could sue over anything that's not 100% accurate.
@@unironicaluser1867 The pollster ignored the overall trend. She said that she thought something was wrong, but she did not see the error in the data.
Settlements don't set precedent
What did Fox pay...700M for lies?
If you were subject to what the Democrats and media had done to Trump these past years, you would do the same thing.
Slander is not protected by the First Amendment.
John Peter Zenger-the truth is a defense
@@pippi5000 George Stephanopoulos-I lied
I don't like defamation or slander suits either. Let's go back to the original process, dueling.
it mostly is protected. not many have the means to defend themselves.
@@LarryYonkman Trump would kick his butt in! The man survived being shot in the face!
Yes, it sets a precedent that can't get away with lying to the public anymore.
chuck todd is afraid he might be sued if he lies. I can see why he's worried.
Now that he's not on MTP nobody hears him.
Do it again again again again. until they understand, they can’t blatantly lie about somebody and get away with it
Especially from a guy who went after Bill Clinton's accusers.
Sue, sue, sue. 15 million is nothing to a conglomerate like that, but do it enough times and maybe they'll tone down the overt lies a bit.
Simple, DON"T LIE....you won't have a thing to worry about.
It’s gonna be difficult to uh, difficult to uh.. LIE
They won't stop unless they're held accountable and are forced to nervously think twice. Just the truth.
George had already interviewed eg Carrol and asked her about how the jury did not conclude the r charge. He clearly knew the truth so he was cooked.
Interesting. George also went after every woman that accused Bill Clinton of sexual escapades.
He also lied about what the jury's verdict was about in an effort to shame and berate someone to coax a desired response, so malicious intent was blatant.
I think it is more than that. My guess is something was discovered, either in emails or other recorded materials, which showed a malicious intent. The bar for defamation of a public figure is quite high. In 10 years, someone will write a book and we will find out.
@@alienhawkq4690 I agree. There was some seriously damning info in the deeper discovery that had just been ordered that they didn’t want and couldn’t have come out, as well as what would have come out in the deposition George Stephanopoulos would have had to sit for!
I also think there was a good bit of damning info that had nothing to do w that specific lawsuit and news segment where the defamation was said, but had to do w all sorts of other things and Trump would have found out about all of it during the deeper discovery and deposition! Which, of course that would also be made publicly available. Some serious ish they want to keep hidden and that could have dire consequences and ramifications.
I think this aspect is what they were actually more worried about and wanting to protect bc of how bad and serious whatever they’re hiding is and how the consequences and ramifications would be way, way worse and serious than losing the lawsuit w whatever info would have come out about the details specific to the lawsuit.
@@alienhawkq4690 she kept correcting him and he was insistent on saying the verdict wrong to harass someone into doing what he wanted. Even if discovery would show things worse, malicious intent which is the one hard thing to prove was very obvious
Maybe the press should just stop lying and see how that works. Their only value is in objective reporting, and they don’t do that.
Defamation law [in the USA] is not about punishing the speech, it is about compensation for damages.
I have a right to bear arms, but if I use any sort of arm to shatter a car window either maliciously or negligently then I should be made to pay for that damage plus some punitive extra for the additional hazard risk to bystanders.
Yay!! Amber is back!! Now Robby needs his glasses back.
Robby left his glasses at home today lol
@@ReasonTVpreparedness 101: have a backup. Robby must not be one of them prepper libertarians. 😜
@@ReasonTV Thanks for explaining the "Reason" they were missing. I was hoping it wasn't contact lenses!
Lol
@@ReasonTV That does not sound like a REASONABLE explanation.
"It sets a difficult precedent for us to lie with impunity." - What Chuck Todd actually meant to say.
Punishment for defamation in no way conflicts with free speech absolutism. In defamation, it's not the speech that is being punished. It's the action. An example of speech that results in action: if three people collude to rob a bank, and they discuss a plan of action, once that action is completed, they can't claim that they're being punished for the words they exchanged in formulating the plan. The punishment is for the action. Some actions require coordination that involves spoken words or communication of some kind, but that action isn't protected in any way by "freedom of speech", just because words were necessary to complete that action. A completed plan of action is VERY different than unanticipated damaging consequences of communicated ideas. While ideas may sometimes have consequences that cause damage, they aren't part of a plan of action, thus not directly connected. It's impossible to accurately predict the consequences of ideas, thereby removing agency. Agency is the important factor in deciding the connection between consequences and words.
George repeatedly stated the grape claim in that interview. This was deliberate and did have actual malice.
Yeah, ABC is trying to play it off like this was a slip of the tongue or a simple mistake, but if you watch that full interview it was disgusting.
FEAR OF DISCOVERY.
In _every_ sense of the words.
Not one of these peal clutchers had any problem with Tucker getting fired or the rest of the deal with Dominion that Fox made.
1 of the best takes I've heard regarding this matter.
Thank you for watching!
I agree with Amber, Trumps legal team is searching for the drain plug in the swamp.
I live in Iowa, the Des Moines Register has done this type of thing in local Iowa elections for decades. This is not the first time that they have tried to sway elections to the left. This poll was definitely on purpose.
My heart goes out to ABC during this tough time. Hopefully they will be able to continue their work in telling the people propaganda without the fear of telling the truth.
Telling the truth apparently is a very high bar for mainstream media.
Lies generate more ad revenue. Tabloids have known this for a long time.
Malicious intent. Had little Georgie boy simply misspoke and apologized none of this would have happened, but he can’t hide his hate.
It's weird that you think the poll chick wouldn't deliberately lie simply because she was discredited afterwards. Her problem was she thought she was a big enough MSM player to get away with lying with no consequences. The reality is, every liar on stations like CNN or MSNBC or on shows like Kimmel and The View should be discredited and out of a job after being caught.
She loved her 15 minutes of fame.
As a libertarian I'm a huge fan of freedom of the press. BUT they still have an obligation to report the truth, and to clearly identify their opinions as opinions and not facts.
Defamation is not protected speech
So it’s a “gut punch” to require accuracy of “news”? Crazy
Stephanopoulos is a very little puppet with a very long name.
When George got put on that morning show "Daybreak!" or whatever it was, that was the beginning of the end for him. Here he fancied himself some kind of hard-nose journalist but now he's doing happy-face morning shows LOL This Nancy Mace interview looks like George trying to get himself taken seriously again but oops!! he jumped the shark.
Sue them all. Trump has 34 felony convictions and I still don't know what he did illegal.
Really? I guess reading and the law are difficult for you.
He ran for president without being beholden to the doner class
@@tallspicy So explain it to us.
The problem with the poll was that she thought her team would win... er, Democrat's would win, and then there would be no repercussions. As we now know with absolute certainty, Democrats pardon their team when they break laws that enrich their families and friends.
Hmm. They lied to the public, but the public doesn't listen to them.
They settled bc discovery would have unearthed internal emails that they did NOT want to be made public. Almost certainly because it would have shown massive bias.
They don't want obvious collusion between the DNC and media orgs to be finally revealed as real even though everyone can see it.
This is probably the whole reason for the lawsuits, not the money. The deep discovery would not only show blatant bias, but possibly communications with the DNC or White House.
The suing of the pollster seems odd, but again, if they suspect that there was coordination with the Dems, discovery could uncover it.
If by "gut punch" they mean they can't lie with impunity, then it's a gut punch. Most people have to deal.with that daily Chuck.
Every American Has the 'Right to be left alone.' - that's what the Bill of Rights is all about. Trump Won, again, and perhaps ABC will learn from this ?
yah telling the truth is so hard
I REALLY think that when Trump builds his museum and presidential library, there should be a statue of George Stephanopoulos in fron of it with a sign that says "This Library would not have been possible, without George Stephanopoulos' inability to tell the truth."
There should be a corruption wing showing all the evidence of how the Dems tried illegally to stop him.
Thanks!
Thank you for your support! We really appreciate it.
George purposely tried to defame Trump, but wasn't expecting to pay for it😂
Excellent perspectives
Thank you for watching!
Yay, Amber is back
These lawsuits are about exposing the process.
Am I the only one who feels the space they’re in looks off?
Yeah, it is only thing off.
They loved when trump and his circles got dragged through the courts😂 now it’s their turn.
I am for free speech but not absolutist.
Should e.g. kids have every right to see sexually explicit material? Or hard violence? I don't think so.
From now on journalists of all shapes and sizes
will have to check their facts twice
and will have to think twice before they speak
just like santa and his list.
Des Moines Register feels like a bet by Trump. Sue them to get to discovery phase (if judge allows obviously) and see if that poll was legit or orchestrated by the Harris campaign to cause a panic
Pure projection.
@tallspicy I'm confused by such a short statement, could you elaborate?
I would really hate it if that was the case. That would simply be the private version of a police "fishing expedition".
Just report the facts. Don't make up your version.
You honestly believe the Iowa poll was not deliberately skewed? Of course it was. I just do not think it worth taking action as she has imploded her own career.
I think DT is fishing for evidence that the DNC or Whitehouse colluded which he would find in the discovery process.
Yes, Iowa, that bastion of blueness. You embarrass yourself.
@ It is a newspaper, journalism schools and print media is the definition of a liberal bastion.
Gut punch, is accountability. Hilarious.
This interview is what's shocking! The fact that they think this argument is going to garner public favor shows just how detached they are from the rest of its who have "had it up to here" with the legacy media!
What....we have to stop lying....WHAT????? LOL
ABC and FOX both learning lessons about the cost of lying to their viewers.
You can tell their lying when their mouths move
He is trolling them.
He's trolling them with one hand while holding a baseball bat in the other, which is nice.
"We're being held accountable for lying and defaming people, how unfair!!!! We're the press, it's OUR TRUTH!!!"
Agree he needs to drop that poll suit, that’s just ridiculous
Media needs to be punished and held accountable for lying, selectively editing info and showing bias
He said "convicted" which indicates criminal trial. The issue on the Iowa poll was purposefully misrepresented and did she receive compensation. Come on guys do better
lol it’s like criminals saying someone being jailed for robbery is setting a bad precedent for their asset acquisition aspirations.
Corporate media must (without violating the Constitution and/or creating more laws) be held accountable for the lies, half truths, purposeful and targeted misinformation, anti-American rhetoric, racist rants, and selective reporting that has become a staple of that community. Not just the journalists, but the bosses as well.
Being a journalist does not entitle you to say whatever you please without consequences.
"No need to distinguish between reputable pollsters and other pollsters any more than it is to distinguish between Presidential pardons." Sure thing.
Just because Little George's narcissism is out of control doesn't mean he gets to lie about people he hates.
They didn’t want his E Mails out in public
you can't expect a news company to read court docs, they are college educated, they can't read
George should either be suspended for a week without pay or fired for what he did. He's an unprofessional jerk.
Yes! Media held to high standards
As far as the Pollster and Iowa Newspaper are concerned the case may very well have to do with opening up discovery.
Don't repeatedly defame people and you'll have nothing to worry about.
He lied. On national television. To cause harm to someone with different opinions.
What happens when they slander people. Be a professional and report facts.
This is what I voted for, Payback.
Very difficult to not slander people.
Joy Reid should owe Billions.
It was the timing of the Iowa poll that is suspicious .
He needs to go after the Judge next
Gut punch that they can’t lie
One million out of the thirty million and same insider trading as politicians 🙄🤣🤡
"Incorrect factual assertions" are LIES, Robbie 😆 🤣 😂
This wasnt just a result of abc trying to buy off bad pr. It doesnt get much worse than openly apologizing for lying. At least had they maintained their innocence they could have just issued a “we maintain we did nothing wrong but we will respect the courts ruling”. Abc knew they were cooked, knew the statements were false, and knew there was enough surrounding context with the speaker to establish that there was malice involved.
Could you imagine Walter Cronkite behaving like George Stephonopolis? OF COURSE NOT!!! Cronkite reported the news factually and without bias. So when he did give his opinion (under the banner clearly identified as “Editorial”) it carried WEIGHT!
Discovery baby!!!
Funny, the Dems tried to use the legal system to squash him, now he's turned the tables and using the legal system to expose their dirty deeds.
I hope he starts suing the AGs as well.
All they have to do is tell the truth
Stephanopoulos knew exactly what he was doing when he use the word r**p.
Now I know why the views reading legal laws lol.
What if Soave wasn't suave and if those tripods were ARs? That's the simulation I want to live in.
"We're very upset that a precedent has been set that we can't just lie about people we don't like@$
Let’s see what traumatizing a generation of children based disinformation brings. FailureofJournalim
Before X we cry "Fake News should be stop" ... But with X who need Mainstream Media😀😀😀
Start telling truth and things wont be hard for you. 😂
Chuck Todd is such a tool…completely ignored that Stephanopolous slandered Trump. All he thinks about is how it affects the media.
Huge precedent it sets.... you cant spread lies about a presidential candidate. lmfao that is just wild man.....
You lied and now you're mad
The hill without handlers and excess production.
WHO 🏆WON... CASE CLOSED.
YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY THE TRUTH
60 minutes needs cleaned out. Sue sue sue
Maybe try to stop lying?
Do you say that to trump?
Hey... unlike in those "The Hill - Rising" videos, Robby doesn't sound like he's talking out of a tin can here.
George's rise to fame was slut shaming for the clinton campaign. who would have thunk he could say something disparaging?