Revisiting old podacsts/CTC episodes is a good idea..however would be better if a cpl of mins update can be added. For eg in this Agniveer analysis from Jun 22, one could have added the present status and a small update on how the perception has changed, if it has...or why did it needed to be reposted at this juncture
Let the scheme be implemented and its result be discussed. Everyone is in a race just to criticize the scheme. Our army is very disciplined and professional. People who are sitting there have intellect and we must believe them and give them some time. I hope people will not cook news of everything
A solution could be hiring these 4-year tenure agniveers into CRPF, and reduce the CRPF service period to about 30yrs. This would help us in having jawans, who can be more lethal in handling border escalations, and also be efficient in securing assets of an hostile area. CRPF jawans with moderate age and experience are always better than 59 yr old jawans at the border.
Jawan retires at 35 year old fools Since the govt couldn't provide jobs and doing lip service to armies Because the govt tossed at economic efficiency Jobs increasing They are doing in a money saving scheme
Even better, make agneeveer like scheme for all CAPF. All active less than 30 yr manpower, very effective and efficient. And so much money will be saved.
The biggest negative about Agniveer program is the permanent commissioning of 25% of the conscripts. The process depends on the recommendation of officers and JCO's who will exploit the condition for sure. Secondly, if corruption barges into the process, just like it does everywhere in India we will have a corrupt Army.
Yeh haule ko kuch bhi nahi pata . Bak bak karte rehta hai maha gyani jaisa. Kusine usko bola takla mahanta ka symbol hai aur yeh apne aap ko mahan aur maha gyani samajhne laga !
A very real and straightforward thing no one is mentioning; Indian army is used by the Govt to reduce unemployment. Its as simple as that. This has been happening from very long. That's why so much commotion about it.
Excellent initiative by Rahulji who was instrumental in encouraging youth to join Agniveer scheme. As a youth Rahulji has encouraged video gamers, pogo channel promoters, cartoon network, road side pani puri vendors and most importantly of all his dear fans of pidi. Both Rahulji and Vadraji are in prime shape to lead the youth in to the well. And all youth must respectfully follow him without question. All youth must run with Rahulji, cook with Rahulji, bake with Rahulji, play with Rahulji and sleep with Rahulji for a better tomorrow.
I am from Meerut and i am sure that at least in West UP, Haryana, Delhi NCR this will produce a lot more history sheeters (in rural part) because here we have the dream to be like this and an exservicmen is a skilled arm trained person and in younger age he will be even ultra lethal so we are about to produce crime cyborgs
They can join the police, security guards or even any other jobs in the private industry not for their weapons-handling skills but also discipline and pressure-handling tactics
@@NinadKulkarnipanchtarankit really security guards, are you serious and police remember they don't get ex-servicemen quota even in the police btech, bsc students are applying can they give competition to them
This scheme should have excluded Navy and airforce because firstly they don't have man power intensive force that we have to worry about pension load and these forces are more technology intensive and mastering these skills takes more time than 4 years as pointed out by Admiral Arun prakash in one article.
people who don't know shit about indian forces, are commenting our airforce is fucked up, follow defence matrix and know the reality, our most aircrafts are outdated, majority money goes into salary and other things, whatever is left isn't enough for modernising
what modi should have done is that privatizing defence organizations who produce equipment for army, they keep delaying projects now korea and turkey are far ahead of us in aircraft making
I like the fact that Print has a thumbnail running on top right corner telling us that this was originally recorded in July of the previous year. #RespectForHonestMedia
If someone wants to know an example of how inept and rigid the army administration and bureaucracy is, a soldier or officer had a hard time getting his leave approved 40 years ago. The problem still exists 40 years later.
@@pushpindersingh1819 It already exists for MP and MLA, as they are elected for a fixed term of 5yrs. Essentially it's a temporary job with a contract term of 5yrs.
@@apsingikar MP MLA get heavy life time pension of rupees 60k or more including free train, medical, flight, electric,gas bill for each tenure 🤮. I think you get it now
@@dikmontakolyomso7094 And where in my did I support pensions for shitty politician's? I am all in for removing all pensions for every one from politician's to IAS bereaucrats.Remove all perks as well, any way these prices will invariably engage in curroupt practices and amass fortunes, atkeaat by cutting backs on perks we will save funds qhich could be otherwise be used elsewhere.
@@apsingikarhope your wish will be fullfill by almighty for your son, daughter, grand generation and blessed them with no pension on their old when they are physically weak. Jai shri Ram
Mr Shekhar Gupta your analysis of things is very informative I would like to tell that please upload new videoes not those which were published earlier
Agniveer will provide us with so many eyes and ears in our own society ...... and they will not be jobless after 4 years of training ........Army trains in computer and other manners also
If ex armed service men get reservation in police recruitment then it is good to have disciplined police officers who had served the nation on borders. This is good,even in past, keeping permanent armies was difficult. Afghan raiders have only 10% professional soldiers, 90% used to be mercenaries who act as force multipliers. so when they go back to Afghanistan after looting India. They go backnto society and work as shepards, farmers or artisians etc. So Afghanistan admin has more surplus of funds to buy cannon and guns from ottomans so in next attack they had even more ferocity.
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Sir, why not armed forces tieing up with state police and paramilitary forces to select their recruit frm already trained men from army at the end of four years if personnel want his career in administration.
Cause nature of work is different in both, here they are with citizen in no risk areas and Like the 75 percent which are not inducted in regular scheme means they have low efficiency than why police should get people with low efficiency
I am not sure if this is an good idea, while it is true that India today spends more on pensions of former soldiers and associated health care etc rather than on running of the armed forces, capital expenditure on arms and research and maintenance it should not end up like the Russian fiasco in Ukraine war where much of the 100,000 troops were conscripts much like the agniveers. Problem is that in some states jobs in armed forces are the only option for a stable jobs etc and unless government provides other employment opportunities in these states there will always be rush for government jobs in services etc and associated heart burns for those who don't make it. Everyone would like to give an social security blanket to their family and most people in the armed forces who put their lives in the service of the nation would only expect that the government look after their family in the unfortunate event of their martyrdom.
I know, what i meant was Agniveers would have the same mindset as conscripts. Why would they be ready to give up their life if only sure of 4 years of service and they being no more to see if their families are compensated.
@@SKumar-kp7fq Nobody wants to die .. irrespective of emplyoment contract! And its revealed preference ... they think they are better off than the alternatives .. remember its a choice ... unlike conscripts
@S Kumar it's not that they will necessarily lose their Army job after 4 years. If they can prepare so hard for getting into Army, they can also work hard and be among the top 25% soldiers to retain their job. Why would they think it is a 4 year job to begin with? That would mean they already lost their will to succeed.
It is really sad moment when the most experienced defence journalist of the country says that one lakh crore are only going for pension with such a pain written on his face as if he was going to be billed for it. Dear Guptaji more than 5 times equivalent of this amount has been taken out of India with connivance with People in power by one single business man. Kya karoge paise baccha kar? Sab nigal jayenge ya usi ki tyari ho rahi hai. Will u put value only on machines and not humans? For those ranting about bvr, Arty etc. insurgents se tum bvr ladte ho? Vahan seene pe goli khane wala chahiye…galwan mein lad lete drones se..there soldiers have fought with with bare hands, sticks and stones..soch to lo bolne se pehle..pesion nahi doge, medical nahi doge...canteen services nahi doge, insurance nahi doge...this is what we do to honour people who give up their life for our nation. For my entire childhood and teen life, i roamed like a nomad in the most remote locations of the country as my father was in defence forces, transferred every two-three years, kabhi assam, kabhi in a remote desert location in Rajasthan..please remember, with a faouji thier family members also pay a price.
The following questions should be put to the government ( l have given my answers below each question. I do not have access to data and so some of my answers may be inaccurate or incorrect ): 1. Is there an alternative scheme that satisfies both the government and candidates as well as that protects national security interests ? (Yes. My detailed proposal is the answer. ) 2. Will the government save on pension with Agnipath Scheme? (Unlikely. The pay out after four years is Rs 12 lakhs but the total number of candidates laid off is very big. Compare this with the pay out for soldier retiring after 17 years. ) 3. Will the average age of force and maximum age of soldier come down? (Yes.) 3a. After training probationary Agniveers for 4years will laying 75% of them be a wasteful expenditure? (Yes. Especially true in technical trades. ) 3b. If the purpose is to see Agniveers' on job performance and to select and retain the best is two and years of probation not enough? ( Yes. The selected and retained Agniveers after Two and half years can be given intensive training and then given real postings to protect the nation and with out any danger to their life as well. However the PA probationary Agniveers can only buddy up with well trained soldiers / confirmed Agniveers and PAs will do non risk tasks. Or give complete training for PAs with 3 years probation and give them independent tasks. ) 4. Is it right on part of government to treat Agniveers as contract labourers ? (The comparison with SSC short service commission of officers is wrong. SSC officer may continue service if he wishes but 75% Agniveers are compulsorily laid off . It is supply demand equation. Also SSC exists parallel to regular officers recruitment but not Agnipath. After Agnipath the regular soldier recruitment will be stopped.) 4a. Will the probationary Agniveers be risk averse (If they know before that they can't make to the top 25% ) ? (Yes. Where is the motivation to be martyred or to win the battle if he knows he will be laid off in a few days. However my proposal answers this problem with a good solution.) 5. Will the unemployed Agniveers i.e the laid-offs become a national security risk? (Yes. Some of them may become spies of enemy and a few may become criminals. They can't be completely blamed if that happens. Unemployment can force them.) 6. Will the lean force lead to security failure and lead to nation's defeat in a conflict? (Yes. It is not office automation i.e. replacement of clerks with computers. ) 7. Will the Agnipath scheme lead to dismantling of cast based regiment system? If so will it not lead to unwillingness of candidates to give their best ( including being martyred 'Balidan' in a conflict) ? (Yes. But unlikely they will be a slackers. Mixed batallion exists even now and they have made supreme sacrifices for eg. In Siachin and in operation bluestar in golden temple. Also special forces like commandos, paratroopers etc are not cast based. ) 8. Will the lack of manpower be compensated with advanced weapons? ( Cannot happen overnight. First induct advanced weapons and technology and then consider layoff but not the other way. For eg. If 100kms of border are now patrolled with 100 soldiers. Suddenly one day if you use 10 soldiers and monitor with a UAV it is risky until proved. The UAV may malfunction due to various reasons or may be shot down by enemy. So test the technology first in various conditions and then with draw manpower. However this requires drastic increase of defence budget (for capital and salary and not pension) intially which can only be reduced gradually in later years. Reduction of pension burden of all civilians and defence personnel is discussed in my detailed proposal. ) 9. Is it true that considering the high altitude and extreme low temperatures at our borders most of the weapons will not work (and It is only the soldiers' fighting skills and his dedication to the nation that will help to win a future conflict?) (If our technology does not work will the weapons of Chinese and Pakistan not work. Can our foot soldiers match enemy weapons?) 10. Has the government looked at other saving options? When MPs and MLAs are paid life time pension why not laid off Agniveers? (All this is answered in my detailed proposal) 11. How will the laid off Agniveers get jobs ? (Government has some reservations here and there and no concrete scheme. Please see my detailed proposal for the answer to the problem. ) 12. Will all of laid off Agniveers get jobs? If not what will they do ? (No. General Anil purie has said that with Rs . 12 lakhs he can buy a tractor or get his sister married or take up any study himself. None of the choices are appealing to the candidates. It will be waste of government's efforts, time and money if they do that. It is for the nation to make use of his combat skills. Please see my proposal on how he may usefully employed both for his job security and satisfaction and for the national interest.)
Thank you for the information. It sheds some light on the scheme. There are still some concerns, but, maybe the armed forces will manage to reduce it's size and cost and later stabilize to a proper size in due course.
Agniveer was conceptualised on premise that long conventional war is a thing of past. Russia Ukraine conflict has demostrated the despite nuclear rattling conventional war is feasible
India has strategic ambition on one side extending beyond boundary into IOR and Indo pacific in east and arabian see on vest. With hostility all around we have a different perspective
Lack of commitment or dedication is not going to be an issue as the selection of 25% will be based on competition (although procedural justice for such competition need to be established first and fast) and considering the voluntary nature of Agniveer skim every one will try to do their best. Less training is also understandable, apart from physical training, most of the basic parts of equipment training can be shifted to simulation based and hence will be more efficient in terms of time (effective use of technology is of paramount importance). But the primary point of concern is how will we ensure to impart adequate skills, which are relevant to civilian life, within the short time period, to the 75% who are not continuing. One way forward can be to conduct several bridge courses (sponsored by govt and pvt organizations) which will enable them to flourish in future, and recruit some of them directly in the work force by the sponsors (based on their skill). Others can take the financial help from govt and use the skill set learned from the bridge course to start small businesses.
Only one benefit Young & trained Security Gaurds will be available to various Security Agencies… One of them is SIS owned by Former BJP Rajyasabha M.P Sinha from Bihar
Wonderfull video Sir. As Goes for Modi Govt. Decision making the Less said the better. I see it as if a civilian affairs are being managed. 97 a bill can as well be seen paralleling the understanding of both by the present Govt.
@@ramanujbaruah2200 yeah I kinda ment like how in the US, tour veteran are given benefits with opportunities in the corporate sector of provided subsidised loan to pursue higher education.(one of the few socialists things in America lol) which actually benefits these ex servicemen a lot and they contribute quite well.
No one including Shekhar ji want to talk about the increasing number of well trained Agniveers year after year who would fail to stay in 1/4th to be retained by Armed Forces, fail to get post 4 year term non-existent and overhyped 2nd job, fail to succeed in any other field or business. How the society will deal with so many well trained, unemployed, frustrated and angry lot? Only indulging into crime will be an attractive door open to them.
You do know that a total of 50K Agniveers are going to come every year right. 3/4th of them is 37K and if even 7K of them get some jobs somewhere that leads to 30K unemployed Agniveers, which in 10 years would be something like 3lacs. In a country of more than 100 crore, 3 lac is not even a rounding error. There are multiple of those people already unemployed, and they don't have 12lac rupees at the age of 23-25 to start atleast a small business.
You do know that many countries like Israel, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Austria etc etc require mandatory military service/training. Those nations r faring perfectly well and r some of the most developed in the world. Please learn to do some research before commenting. We all have a duty to be responsible citizens of our society and that includes not spreading fear/paranoia/false information over the net
Best solution is to move agniveers to other forces including police. This is heavily improve the quality of police as well and reduce corruption. Maybe they need an year of additional training to join police which can be easily provided.
Also despite having rules and regulation recognising Military Training. NSDC is dictating the educational qualification of Agniveer training and on their release from seevice
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Let's be honest, Agniveer Scheme is there to reduce Army's burden from having such a large Infantry force. India needs a large Infantry but this also consumes a lot of its Military budget especially through Pensions as better Healthcare is insuring longer lifespansfir retired Soldiers & their Spouse/dependents. I hope that Indian-Govt adopt a policy through which Agniveer JCOs, NCOs & SSC Officers gets absorbed into:- (1) CAPFs (2) Paramilitary (3) State Police Forces (4) MoD & MHA Bureaucracy (5) State MHA Bureaucracy Yes, this will reduce overall Govt employment but will allow Govt to save a lot of capital resources. Those Anginveers & Officers who are being transferred to CAPFs & Other institutions must be provided:- (1) Pension under NPS (2) CGHS Govt can still retain/employ a lot of talent especially Low & Mid-Level Bureaucracy by continuing with CGHS Scheme for its Employees. Anginveer/SSC Officer must also be absorbed in these services:- (1) IAS (2) IPS (3) IFS
Make sure all the state police have reservations for agniveer , like in USA once you are done with military you can join police. So we have some highly trained offices can handle any tough situation
It's a good scheme since the implementation of orop the defence budget are very tight in this they don't need to give pensions and maintaining huge permanent army. But one thing is if the age range of agniveers are changed to 21 to 25 instead of 17 to 21 because it would be better if they join agnipath after completing a degree it would be much better while they pass out as agniveers after 4 years 😉.
I think those who are opposing this scheme should donate on regular basis to overcome the money shortage needed for modernise Army...🙂 sab chup ho jaenge...DIRECT TAX MAT DENA.
I think govt have done good we have many trained professionals in the society and have man force if another countries attack on us and 25% will be parement and remaining give the reservation for state jobs But from the remaining 75% govt need to give police job so the country and state will be on safe hands
The biggest flaw in Agniveer system is that now India is heading towards having a Defense forces who will be untrained to handle sophisticated military equipment and undisciplined just like a mob. Adani & Ambani is going to start a security firm where these Agniveer's will join after retirement in 4 years and they will be the main supplier of security personnel for various establishments in India and later on act same like East India Company loyal to Adani and Ambani capturing everything possible in India. (History repeats).
This is a catch 22 situation. The regimental system which forms the backbone of the army will take a hit.It will have disastrous consequences. They should have instead experimented on a small scale. India has to increase the defence budget there is no easy way out considering our immediate hostile neighborhood.
Army was the last bastion. It would be called in when civil admin failed. With increased outsourcing it will result in army turning to DC to provide support
You can't buy a decent car for 12 lakhs these days, what will an agniveer who had forfeited college education has no idea how to run a business will do with this amount other than spend it all away.
CTC! How about stopping the pensions and perks of these jokers sitting in the parliament Including the chief 🤡 Keep our Parliament youthful and tech savvy. Not some Old Tapori at 70.
@@samyakjain3417 Agreed. However the quality of work that goes on in government organization's from education to machinery. And the packages/ Perks they get, they really don't deserve it.
Its high time we created and trained private military organization like Academi, Wagner group, and Al Sadat, under the supervision of NSA, MoHA and MoD consisting, members of remaining 75% agniveers , ex-special forces officers, former spies, and other former military and police officers. This unit can be used for conducting covert operations in foreign soil, curbing insurgency, and to serve Indian interests in multiple geopolitical arenas, like they can aid in providing security to Kashmiri pandits from extremists when we bring them back
Might as well get ur wish. Rumors are that there is indeed a proposed plan with Ministry of Finance to introduce a new defense and security cess which will go into a centralized corpus fund to finance military modernization initiatives in future.
this is what government should do : (Regarding Nepali gorkhas please see my comments at the end) 1. No direct recruitment for Agniveers 2. Take police constables from all the states' police force on deputation as candidates 3. Retain the best as Agniveers (after thorough training for all the candidates for 4 years) 4. Send back to the police force of states the unsuccessful candidates ( with a good bonus) who would have received advanced training and so then they would be more useful to all the states' police forces. The states will be more than happy to take them back and armed forces also will be able to recall them in case of any emergency later. 5. However Centre should give to the states 50 percent salary of returned Agniveer candidates as this would reduce the burden on states. However if this is still a burden we should consider 1:3 ratio (Absorbed to Total candidates ) in recruitment 6. Finally centre would also benefit by this scheme as states' salary scales are lower than central scales . (Also there is no need to pay higher than current regular soilder's salary for Agniveer candidates ( as they will be assured of their earlier police constable job in their home state). This will be a big savings for governments both centre and states. ) 7. Tax payer will also be benefitted as his money will not be wasted recklessly - i.e. not squandered 8. In this scenario Armed forces need not worry about unsuccessful candidates' future 9. Lastly the ultimate goal of AFs Armed forces will be met . AFs will have more money for weapons with the best young soldiers and a lean force. Another important point to note is there will not be any gap or discontinuty between regular soilders and the Agniveers. (However many ex-AFs persons have expressed concern on the short duration training of Agniveers which should be looked into. Also is the student to trainer ratio too high ?). In proposed scheme there is another benefit to the states (and to the nation) . There will be better representation ( in AFs) of all states unlike now. So in future AFs will be owned up by the entire country and not just by a few states. Further it will help the AFs to eventually do away with the cast based regimental system created by the Britishers. Mainly this proposition is benefit to the aggrieved candidates as they will have a job on hand and unlike in the government's present scheme they will not be simply laid off. Also only those who like AFs' life can willingly continue and the rest can seek better future of their choice. This is win win win win win ( Centre, States, AFs, Candidates and Tax Payer ) for everybody. However Government and armed forces chiefs should give up their ego and accept this solution in the interest of our nation instead of doing some patch work i.e. assurance of reservation here there and in some in AFs' contactor private companies. Government must consider extension of the above scheme to officers of AFs also i.e. police sub inspector from all states may be taken on deputation for 4 years and select the best. Please note that I have not suggested dilution of standards in selection. (Note : The above suggestion doesn't apply to non-combat roles. For example say mechanical: Repairing army vehicles. Also in the case of non-combat roles there is a big mistake in the eligibility criteria. For non-combat roles ITI or better diploma holders should be considered as eligibile and not 10 or 12th class pass outs. Further the physical fitness requirements should be less than that of combat roles for obvious reasons. Armed forces should take a decision whether it can maintain it's equipments on it's own or would subcontract it to public or private companies. In any case in non-combat work laying them off after 4 years doesn't make sense . Further they should be recruited based on separate technical test . For technical trades experienced candidates may be taken from states vehicle workshops /Garages in state road transport, PWD etc. Also the army may offload part of it's repair work to respective State agencies who will have the returned trained Agniveers. This will be lot of savings for the AFs plus it will be back facility. Also for Tradesmen i.e. Clerks and Store Keepers the eligibility should be 12th Class with Maths, Commerce and Computer as mandatory subjects. These issues needs further thoughts and discussions.) Regarding pension lot of noise was made in the media about cut on MPs' pension. I suggest Government should take a detailed look at the pensions of everybody i.e. Civil servants and all government servants both in centre and states,pension of Military officers, soldiers and of other workers , pension of judicial officers and court employees, pension of officers and employees of Government under takings and of course pension of people's representatives. This is very very important because pension burden on government is too huge now mostly because life expectancy has increased i.e. People live for 80years or more. Pension is payment for non-productive persons. So it is not obligatory on government to continue this in fresh appointments. Government should be more considered about the insecured majority population ( working in unorganised sector and in small scale industries) and about the unemployed. So I suggest pension shall be paid in civil administration only for 3 years ( plus a lumpsump amount equal to another 3 years ) in future appointments but pension must be continued only in AF in future appointments also. However even in AF pension shall only be paid for the period he is posted in remote locations. So in sepoy rank assuming out of 20 years service 10 years he is posted in remote locations he shall be paid pension for 10 years plus a lumpsump amount equal to his 5 years' pension. Similar formula has to be worked out for all ranks. However for special forces like commandos , paratroopers etc. Lifetime pension must be paid considering the continuous stress they have to stand-up to. Also considering the sensitive posts and the level responsibility held ,life time pension may be paid for officers of Joint Secretary and above rank, for Equivalent rank persons in AF and also for judges of High court and Supreme court. As their total number is not big it will not be a huge burden on government but their payback to the country will be high. So keeping them financially secure is in the interest of nation. Another point hotly debated in media is with the government's Agniveer scheme the soldiers ( Agniveer Candidates) would be risk averse. The following solution may be considered for the issue : In every conflict all those directly involved may be paid a bonus equivalent to their 5 years salary and the support persons may be paid bonus equivalent to 3 years salary. So government should set aside an emergency fund for this purpose since in a full blown out war the amount will too big. The dead and injured should be given life time pension instead of bonus. I hope this solution covers the issue satisfactorily. However government should make the bonus a policy and announce it and not keep it adhoc but at the same time AFs chiefs should ensure the provision is not misused. As far pension of peoples' representatives pension for 5 or3 years may be considered if their annual income is less than say Rs. 5 lakhs so that they vote responsibly on bills and will not fall for any bribe. Even those who get disqualified for ignoring party whip and vote as per concinse should be considered for pension. Finally if the government takes a strong decision on this row now good impact of that on exchequer will be seen only after another 30 years. Just as in AFs all the government servants (if there is life risk in their role ) should be covered by an insurance of Rs. 1 crore if he lays down his life in any action for the country and Rs 50lakhs for any injury. Regarding Nepali gorkhas : We should keep in mind Nepal is neighbouring country and for the sake of maintaining friendly relationship with Nepal we have to take a different decision. Agnipath should not be applicable in their case and as before they should be directly recruited as soldiers. There should not be any excess recruitmentbut but only so many candidates as number of vacancies. However there should be more rigorous rounds of selection to take the best. Recruitment should be made only to combat roles and not for technical or tradesmen roles. Regarding their pension just like Agniveers they should be given 10 years, pension with 5 years pension as lumpsum at the time of retirement and not life time pension. The above suggestion covers neapalis' job security issue and at the same time reduce pension burden on our government. I request everyone to comment on this and share this with others if they agree to my view.
@@rajeshbobba3851 Why would the state governments take Agniveers in the present form ? It is extra burden for the states but if they take back deputation candidates as I have proposed there is no such burden.
@@rajeshbobba3851 lol says who don't have Brian how recruitment works They have only 10percent only Increase economic efficiency and decrease poverty give jobs Not on money saying scheme The rest of them need jobs
This is a very good program. What remains to be seen is the quality of candidates. Will they attract the people who can actually bring the tech savvy people that the army desires or those who will not be able to bring that impact. 18 year olds run airport security in Israel and take on combat duties. Nothing new here. The critique related to 4th year competition is again nothing new. I am sure not everyone who is commissioned as a Lt. makes it to a general. They all compete among themselves. Competition is a good thing. So much depends on how this is implemented and executed. I suspect these will be higher quality and highly motivated soldiers.
Some comments, without thinking, suggested that men from Police force to be inducted in the army ranks. I just want to say, who will face the repurcussions because both institutions have different Eco System.....
Not a good decision this may be reduced expenses but long term cost can be go higher 1stly their job guarantee is not seen so their dedication level in low key the same reason Gorkha are not interested in join the forces highly cost equipment is not in skillful hands so life of this equipment in dark Govt should look into the future of Agniveer and job guarantee should be provided first in Railways as a group D or state police constable or in CAPF GD .
The fact that a soldier joins army for job gurantee itself is a major problem. The only motivation for joining army should be service to the nation and not looking to land a permenant pensionable job. Don't think we don't know that most of the village youth join the Army to secure a permanent government job and a fat penaion. WHT else do u think most of them leave the Army after a term of 12 yrs? Bcoz after 10-12 yrs of service they become qualified for pensions.
Why wouldn't the normal recruitment keep the Army young? To keep the army young, you just need to have a recruitment every year to replace the retiring one. The 25% acceptance rate to further filter trained soldiers seems contradictory.
Is this Agniveer type of idea has not been implemented anywhere else in the world? Is this a purely Indian idea? I don’t think so. There are countries where military service for young is compulsory.
That is called conscription. This is implemented in those countries where there are either less people willing to join armed forces or population is too low and threats to that country are more than a small army can handle. We don't have these problems. US used to have conscripted army till Vietnam War but after that they have a fully professional army.
@@Vagabond617 main difference between a conscript and agniveer is conscripts are not planning their career in military in the first place. But every agniveer is planning a career in the armed forces but now he has only 25% chance of continuing that
Sir I thought you will go a lil deeper on the finance part,to verify this expenditure on pension & salary part,ARMED forces have almost 2.5L civilian def employees & plz ask your team to do a research on this aspect about what % of this revenue expenditure is consumed by this community!! I have a rough idea but please ask your team to do the research & dedicate an episode on this aspect too,Cat must come out of the bag,the biggest burden is the def civvys not armed forces pers
no community is perfect including the army ....not just in India but anywhere in the world.. that is human nature .. u always have both good and bad .. In this case, also we produce both good and bad guys.. no choice, society needs to tackle these things ...
@@sushantparmar3076 Read about Ex servicemen representation in other Services & total number of ex servicemen employed in the Period of 2014-21 Parliament Question listed h read more about it… 10% reservation etc is merely a lollipop 😂
Agniveer should invest their one time payment in Franklin Templeton mutual funds otherwise they will be left with no source of income. Unless they join private armies like Wagner or their Indian variants.
Bcoz our teeth to tail ratio is abysmal and modern wars are more tech intensive and soldiers are now required to be technically proficient and educated to be able to operate advanced technology solutions.
Any clear statistics on how much the government is spending on paying pensions to ex-MLAs and ex-MPs? Any plan to roll out similar scheme for the latter group?
1.5 Billion with 600 million youth.. Its about Time to induct one and all youth in Uniform.. must..must ..must. Like Israel....Korea: Egypt: Singapore: Switzerland. set up BOOT CAMPS for training in one and all of 600,000 villages. skill build up: Multi Tasking along with 100 % discipline. Service : Training..as Apprentice. During the military training: Sadguru/baba ramdev ...Sri Hari.wil impart YOGA training for mind control..PEACE. plus all IT Majors will skil them with AI..Digital Tatas..L&T.. Mahindars.. all big cos will train them in Management etc. Integrate men and technology. After completon deploy them Globally to bridge Skill gaps of the world with 1005 absolute Discipline.
Revisiting old podacsts/CTC episodes is a good idea..however would be better if a cpl of mins update can be added. For eg in this Agniveer analysis from Jun 22, one could have added the present status and a small update on how the perception has changed, if it has...or why did it needed to be reposted at this juncture
Let the scheme be implemented and its result be discussed. Everyone is in a race just to criticize the scheme. Our army is very disciplined and professional. People who are sitting there have intellect and we must believe them and give them some time.
I hope people will not cook news of everything
A solution could be hiring these 4-year tenure agniveers into CRPF, and reduce the CRPF service period to about 30yrs. This would help us in having jawans, who can be more lethal in handling border escalations, and also be efficient in securing assets of an hostile area. CRPF jawans with moderate age and experience are always better than 59 yr old jawans at the border.
That's a good point
Crpf is not a guniea pig nor is army
Jawan retires at 35 year old fools
Since the govt couldn't provide jobs and doing lip service to armies
Because the govt tossed at economic efficiency
Jobs increasing
They are doing in a money saving scheme
Even better, make agneeveer like scheme for all CAPF. All active less than 30 yr manpower, very effective and efficient. And so much money will be saved.
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The biggest negative about Agniveer program is the permanent commissioning of 25% of the conscripts. The process depends on the recommendation of officers and JCO's who will exploit the condition for sure. Secondly, if corruption barges into the process, just like it does everywhere in India we will have a corrupt Army.
Don't think that will be the only criteria. There might be some sort test for filtering.
I am pretty sure there will be Performance reports from all activities.
Agar agniveer pasand nahi to Pakistan jao
Its not possible. Have faith in Armed forces
Tiwari ji.
Bakwaas mat kariye..
Fauj ka F bhi nahi pata aur bakwaas karwa lo aap jaise keyboard warriors se...🤦🤦
We have a CDS at present - General Anil Chauhan since Sept 2022.
This is a replay of the June 2022 episode, nevertheless, The Print should have provided a clarification subtitle to this effect at 2:45.
Yeh haule ko kuch bhi nahi pata .
Bak bak karte rehta hai maha gyani jaisa.
Kusine usko bola takla mahanta ka symbol hai aur yeh apne aap ko mahan aur maha gyani samajhne laga !
A very real and straightforward thing no one is mentioning; Indian army is used by the Govt to reduce unemployment. Its as simple as that. This has been happening from very long. That's why so much commotion about it.
Got it sir, its 4 years of service.
India will get healthy and strong youth by Agnipath 👍👍👍
Excellent initiative by Rahulji who was instrumental in encouraging youth to join Agniveer scheme. As a youth Rahulji has encouraged video gamers, pogo channel promoters, cartoon network, road side pani puri vendors and most importantly of all his dear fans of pidi. Both Rahulji and Vadraji are in prime shape to lead the youth in to the well. And all youth must respectfully follow him without question. All youth must run with Rahulji, cook with Rahulji, bake with Rahulji, play with Rahulji and sleep with Rahulji for a better tomorrow.
All hail Rahul Ji all hail Vadraji, all hail guptaji..
I am from Meerut
and i am sure that at least in West UP, Haryana, Delhi NCR this will produce a lot more history sheeters (in rural part) because here we have the dream to be like this and an exservicmen is a skilled arm trained person and in younger age he will be even ultra lethal
so we are about to produce crime cyborgs
They can join the police, security guards or even any other jobs in the private industry not for their weapons-handling skills but also discipline and pressure-handling tactics
@@NinadKulkarnipanchtarankit really security guards, are you serious and police remember they don't get ex-servicemen quota even in the police btech, bsc students are applying can they give competition to them
This scheme should have excluded Navy and airforce because firstly they don't have man power intensive force that we have to worry about pension load and these forces are more technology intensive and mastering these skills takes more time than 4 years as pointed out by Admiral Arun prakash in one article.
Why not just make it 6 or 8 years for those services?
They are doing just for saving money
No logic in that
people who don't know shit about indian forces, are commenting
our airforce is fucked up, follow defence matrix and know the reality, our most aircrafts are outdated, majority money goes into salary and other things, whatever is left isn't enough for modernising
what modi should have done is that privatizing defence organizations who produce equipment for army, they keep delaying projects
now korea and turkey are far ahead of us in aircraft making
I like the fact that Print has a thumbnail running on top right corner telling us that this was originally recorded in July of the previous year. #RespectForHonestMedia
Time will tell how good the scheme is.
Every reform comes with a risk and there is no zero risk today in anything. Modern day management is to manae these risks and not to shy away from it
This reform so much needed in the policing
If someone wants to know an example of how inept and rigid the army administration and bureaucracy is, a soldier or officer had a hard time getting his leave approved 40 years ago. The problem still exists 40 years later.
With less number of soldiers, leave will become even bigger problem. Now with agneepath, leave job after 4 years, enjoy.
Similar kind of scheme should be adopted for all other govt depts.both state & central and reduce the burden on tax payers.
For MP and MLA also.
@@pushpindersingh1819 It already exists for MP and MLA, as they are elected for a fixed term of 5yrs. Essentially it's a temporary job with a contract term of 5yrs.
@@apsingikar MP MLA get heavy life time pension of rupees 60k or more including free train, medical, flight, electric,gas bill for each tenure 🤮. I think you get it now
@@dikmontakolyomso7094 And where in my did I support pensions for shitty politician's? I am all in for removing all pensions for every one from politician's to IAS bereaucrats.Remove all perks as well, any way these prices will invariably engage in curroupt practices and amass fortunes, atkeaat by cutting backs on perks we will save funds qhich could be otherwise be used elsewhere.
@@apsingikarhope your wish will be fullfill by almighty for your son, daughter, grand generation and blessed them with no pension on their old when they are physically weak. Jai shri Ram
*Agniveer program is going to help our youth gain valuable skills that will make them more employable!*
Nice of you to parrot the official party line.
@@bengeorge9063
Better than you who takes the side of Pakistan, ISI, Islamic Terror groups, etc.
Mr Shekhar Gupta your analysis of things is very informative I would like to tell that please upload new videoes not those which were published earlier
Agniveer will provide us with so many eyes and ears in our own society ...... and they will not be jobless after 4 years of training ........Army trains in computer and other manners also
Modi ji ne kiya hai to sahi hi kiya hoga ❤
Yes, Parikar sahib. 😂
If ex armed service men get reservation in police recruitment then it is good to have disciplined police officers who had served the nation on borders.
This is good,even in past, keeping permanent armies was difficult. Afghan raiders have only 10% professional soldiers, 90% used to be mercenaries who act as force multipliers. so when they go back to Afghanistan after looting India. They go backnto society and work as shepards, farmers or artisians etc. So Afghanistan admin has more surplus of funds to buy cannon and guns from ottomans so in next attack they had even more ferocity.
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It's like a ...and I truly mean it...I maybe wrong..but....
This is one of the BEST Documentary Films....if I may call it so Sir.. on THE Agniveer.. an idea...I wish & hope MamataBanarejee reads this Analysis of the issue
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When GOI Dutifully did sa something....so wait a minute....until things unfold in its own time. TIME AND TIDE WAITS FOR NO MAN...that's also true sir..we know this too..
Sir, I am no Bakth ..it's just what our grandparents did live for.
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Sir, why not armed forces tieing up with state police and paramilitary forces to select their recruit frm already trained men from army at the end of four years if personnel want his career in administration.
Salery and low reputation
This is a good idea!
Cause nature of work is different in both, here they are with citizen in no risk areas and Like the 75 percent which are not inducted in regular scheme means they have low efficiency than why police should get people with low efficiency
#bachus_and_chokra_chokris is the highlight of this episode
I am not sure if this is an good idea, while it is true that India today spends more on pensions of former soldiers and associated health care etc rather than on running of the armed forces, capital expenditure on arms and research and maintenance it should not end up like the Russian fiasco in Ukraine war where much of the 100,000 troops were conscripts much like the agniveers. Problem is that in some states jobs in armed forces are the only option for a stable jobs etc and unless government provides other employment opportunities in these states there will always be rush for government jobs in services etc and associated heart burns for those who don't make it. Everyone would like to give an social security blanket to their family and most people in the armed forces who put their lives in the service of the nation would only expect that the government look after their family in the unfortunate event of their martyrdom.
You shoulld look up the meaning of conscripts
Having competent NCOs is absolutely crucial as well. How will that work in the Agniveer scheme?
I know, what i meant was Agniveers would have the same mindset as conscripts. Why would they be ready to give up their life if only sure of 4 years of service and they being no more to see if their families are compensated.
@@SKumar-kp7fq Nobody wants to die .. irrespective of emplyoment contract! And its revealed preference ... they think they are better off than the alternatives .. remember its a choice ... unlike conscripts
@S Kumar it's not that they will necessarily lose their Army job after 4 years. If they can prepare so hard for getting into Army, they can also work hard and be among the top 25% soldiers to retain their job. Why would they think it is a 4 year job to begin with? That would mean they already lost their will to succeed.
Trust the youths who will thrust the nation
Dont give guns to the hands u dont control. The moment u stop feeding those gun controlling hands will go to those who feed them .
It is really sad moment when the most experienced defence journalist of the country says that one lakh crore are only going for pension with such a pain written on his face as if he was going to be billed for it. Dear Guptaji more than 5 times equivalent of this amount has been taken out of India with connivance with People in power by one single business man. Kya karoge paise baccha kar? Sab nigal jayenge ya usi ki tyari ho rahi hai. Will u put value only on machines and not humans? For those ranting about bvr, Arty etc. insurgents se tum bvr ladte ho? Vahan seene pe goli khane wala chahiye…galwan mein lad lete drones se..there soldiers have fought with with bare hands, sticks and stones..soch to lo bolne se pehle..pesion nahi doge, medical nahi doge...canteen services nahi doge, insurance nahi doge...this is what we do to honour people who give up their life for our nation. For my entire childhood and teen life, i roamed like a nomad in the most remote locations of the country as my father was in defence forces, transferred every two-three years, kabhi assam, kabhi in a remote desert location in Rajasthan..please remember, with a faouji thier family members also pay a price.
The following questions should be put to the government ( l have given my answers below each question. I do not have access to data and so some of my answers may be inaccurate or incorrect ):
1. Is there an alternative scheme that satisfies both the government and candidates as well as that protects national security interests ?
(Yes. My detailed proposal is the answer. )
2. Will the government save on pension with Agnipath Scheme?
(Unlikely. The pay out after four years is Rs 12 lakhs but the total number of candidates laid off is very big. Compare this with the pay out for soldier retiring after 17 years. )
3. Will the average age of force and maximum age of soldier come down?
(Yes.)
3a. After training probationary Agniveers for 4years will laying 75% of them be a wasteful expenditure? (Yes. Especially true in technical trades. )
3b. If the purpose is to see Agniveers' on job performance and to select and retain the best is two and years of probation not enough?
( Yes. The selected and retained Agniveers after Two and half years can be given intensive training and then given real postings to protect the nation and with out any danger to their life as well. However the PA probationary Agniveers can only buddy up with well trained soldiers / confirmed Agniveers and PAs will do non risk tasks. Or give complete training for PAs with 3 years probation and give them independent tasks. )
4. Is it right on part of government to treat Agniveers as contract labourers ?
(The comparison with SSC short service commission of officers is wrong. SSC officer may continue service if he wishes but 75% Agniveers are compulsorily laid off . It is supply demand equation. Also SSC exists parallel to regular officers recruitment but not Agnipath. After Agnipath the regular soldier recruitment will be stopped.)
4a. Will the probationary Agniveers be risk averse (If they know before that they can't make to the top 25% ) ?
(Yes. Where is the motivation to be martyred or to win the battle if he knows he will be laid off in a few days. However my proposal answers this problem with a good solution.)
5. Will the unemployed Agniveers i.e the laid-offs become a national security risk?
(Yes. Some of them may become spies of enemy and a few may become criminals. They can't be completely blamed if that happens. Unemployment can force them.)
6. Will the lean force lead to security failure and lead to nation's defeat in a conflict?
(Yes. It is not office automation i.e. replacement of clerks with computers. )
7. Will the Agnipath scheme lead to dismantling of cast based regiment system? If so will it not lead to unwillingness of candidates to give their best ( including being martyred 'Balidan' in a conflict) ?
(Yes. But unlikely they will be a slackers. Mixed batallion exists even now and they have made supreme sacrifices for eg. In Siachin and in operation bluestar in golden temple. Also special forces like commandos, paratroopers etc are not cast based. )
8. Will the lack of manpower be compensated with advanced weapons?
( Cannot happen overnight. First induct advanced weapons and technology and then consider layoff but not the other way. For eg. If 100kms of border are now patrolled with 100 soldiers. Suddenly one day if you use 10 soldiers and monitor with a UAV it is risky until proved. The UAV may malfunction due to various reasons or may be shot down by enemy. So test the technology first in various conditions and then with draw manpower.
However this requires drastic increase of defence budget (for capital and salary and not pension) intially which can only be reduced gradually in later years. Reduction of pension burden of all civilians and defence personnel is discussed in my detailed proposal. )
9. Is it true that considering the high altitude and extreme low temperatures at our borders most of the weapons will not work (and It is only the soldiers' fighting skills and his dedication to the nation that will help to win a future conflict?)
(If our technology does not work will the weapons of Chinese and Pakistan not work. Can our foot soldiers match enemy weapons?)
10. Has the government looked at other saving options? When MPs and MLAs are paid life time pension why not laid off Agniveers?
(All this is answered in my detailed proposal)
11. How will the laid off Agniveers get jobs ?
(Government has some reservations here and there and no concrete scheme. Please see my detailed proposal for the answer to the problem. )
12. Will all of laid off Agniveers get jobs? If not what will they do ?
(No. General Anil purie has said that with Rs . 12 lakhs he can buy a tractor or get his sister married or take up any study himself. None of the choices are appealing to the candidates. It will be waste of government's efforts, time and money if they do that. It is for the nation to make use of his combat skills. Please see my proposal on how he may usefully employed both for his job security and satisfaction and for the national interest.)
The govt has increaced outsouring. That will be Additional outflow and impact budgetary commitment
Railway has Salary and pension load of 68 % grew by approx 10 %. Approx 1 lakh cr.
Why no question not raised on same
Keep paying taxes too
Thank you for the information. It sheds some light on the scheme. There are still some concerns, but, maybe the armed forces will manage to reduce it's size and cost and later stabilize to a proper size in due course.
Agniveer was conceptualised on premise that long conventional war is a thing of past.
Russia Ukraine conflict has demostrated the despite nuclear rattling conventional war is feasible
India has strategic ambition on one side extending beyond boundary into IOR and Indo pacific in east and arabian see on vest. With hostility all around we have a different perspective
Lack of commitment or dedication is not going to be an issue as the selection of 25% will be based on competition (although procedural justice for such competition need to be established first and fast) and considering the voluntary nature of Agniveer skim every one will try to do their best.
Less training is also understandable, apart from physical training, most of the basic parts of equipment training can be shifted to simulation based and hence will be more efficient in terms of time (effective use of technology is of paramount importance).
But the primary point of concern is how will we ensure to impart adequate skills, which are relevant to civilian life, within the short time period, to the 75% who are not continuing.
One way forward can be to conduct several bridge courses (sponsored by govt and pvt organizations) which will enable them to flourish in future, and recruit some of them directly in the work force by the sponsors (based on their skill). Others can take the financial help from govt and use the skill set learned from the bridge course to start small businesses.
Reduction in NE insurgency has some saving. But higher manning of nothern border is outcome of aggresive china
Agnipath is revenge of IAS for OROP
Why don't you talk about India's missed census? I find it strange that no one in the media is talking about it.
Only one benefit
Young & trained Security Gaurds will be available to various Security Agencies…
One of them is SIS owned by Former BJP Rajyasabha M.P Sinha from Bihar
Wonderfull video Sir. As Goes for Modi Govt. Decision making the Less said the better. I see it as if a civilian affairs are being managed.
97 a bill can as well be seen paralleling the understanding of both by the present Govt.
Shekhar bhai always great 👍
There should be veteran status for those who complete tour duty and should be given opportunities for paid higher education or civil jobs.
whole point of agniveer is to avoid such commitments as pensions. that will just be another form of pensions
@@ramanujbaruah2200 yeah I kinda ment like how in the US, tour veteran are given benefits with opportunities in the corporate sector of provided subsidised loan to pursue higher education.(one of the few socialists things in America lol) which actually benefits these ex servicemen a lot and they contribute quite well.
No one including Shekhar ji want to talk about the increasing number of well trained Agniveers year after year who would fail to stay in 1/4th to be retained by Armed Forces, fail to get post 4 year term non-existent and overhyped 2nd job, fail to succeed in any other field or business. How the society will deal with so many well trained, unemployed, frustrated and angry lot? Only indulging into crime will be an attractive door open to them.
You do know that a total of 50K Agniveers are going to come every year right. 3/4th of them is 37K and if even 7K of them get some jobs somewhere that leads to 30K unemployed Agniveers, which in 10 years would be something like 3lacs. In a country of more than 100 crore, 3 lac is not even a rounding error. There are multiple of those people already unemployed, and they don't have 12lac rupees at the age of 23-25 to start atleast a small business.
You do know that many countries like Israel, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Austria etc etc require mandatory military service/training. Those nations r faring perfectly well and r some of the most developed in the world.
Please learn to do some research before commenting. We all have a duty to be responsible citizens of our society and that includes not spreading fear/paranoia/false information over the net
Another foolish decision by modi like demonetisation
Best solution is to move agniveers to other forces including police. This is heavily improve the quality of police as well and reduce corruption. Maybe they need an year of additional training to join police which can be easily provided.
I always watch sekhar gupta on x1.25 playing speed
Also despite having rules and regulation recognising Military Training. NSDC is dictating the educational qualification of Agniveer training and on their release from seevice
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Training cost is higher. Saving on pension will be partailly offset by higher cost of training
Let's be honest, Agniveer Scheme is there to reduce Army's burden from having such a large Infantry force.
India needs a large Infantry but this also consumes a lot of its Military budget especially through Pensions as better Healthcare is insuring longer lifespansfir retired Soldiers & their Spouse/dependents.
I hope that Indian-Govt adopt a policy through which Agniveer JCOs, NCOs & SSC Officers gets absorbed into:-
(1) CAPFs
(2) Paramilitary
(3) State Police Forces
(4) MoD & MHA Bureaucracy
(5) State MHA Bureaucracy
Yes, this will reduce overall Govt employment but will allow Govt to save a lot of capital resources.
Those Anginveers & Officers who are being transferred to CAPFs & Other institutions must be provided:-
(1) Pension under NPS
(2) CGHS
Govt can still retain/employ a lot of talent especially Low & Mid-Level Bureaucracy by continuing with CGHS Scheme for its Employees.
Anginveer/SSC Officer must also be absorbed in these services:-
(1) IAS
(2) IPS
(3) IFS
Make sure all the state police have reservations for agniveer , like in USA once you are done with military you can join police. So we have some highly trained offices can handle any tough situation
The scheme is good in both ways financially or physically
It's a good scheme since the implementation of orop the defence budget are very tight in this they don't need to give pensions and maintaining huge permanent army. But one thing is if the age range of agniveers are changed to 21 to 25 instead of 17 to 21 because it would be better if they join agnipath after completing a degree it would be much better while they pass out as agniveers after 4 years 😉.
Lol money saving scheme lol
@@Avinashm7 Tera baap ka paisa hai. Nehru ka
@@reindeer8842 Tera baap ka paisa hai feku lol
With 80% population under 40 yrs
Agnipath is only way forward
No matter how hard I try there is no long-term advantage to such schemes
Signs of underdeveloped brain 🧠
u hv short term vision
I think those who are opposing this scheme should donate on regular basis to overcome the money shortage needed for modernise Army...🙂
sab chup ho jaenge...DIRECT TAX MAT DENA.
Thanks, Mr. SG. It was an insightful discourse
I think govt have done good we have many trained professionals in the society and have man force if another countries attack on us and 25% will be parement and remaining give the reservation for state jobs
But from the remaining 75% govt need to give police job so the country and state will be on safe hands
Sir we do have a CDS
The biggest flaw in Agniveer system is that now India is heading towards having a Defense forces who will be untrained to handle sophisticated military equipment and undisciplined just like a mob. Adani & Ambani is going to start a security firm where these Agniveer's will join after retirement in 4 years and they will be the main supplier of security personnel for various establishments in India and later on act same like East India Company loyal to Adani and Ambani capturing everything possible in India. (History repeats).
A cohort of military trained people is good for the country as seen from Singapore, Korea and Israel. They often become leaders and businessmen
Why no agniveer type program for officers ?
Already there! Is called Short Service Comission.
Thanks
This is a catch 22 situation. The regimental system which forms the backbone of the army will take a hit.It will have disastrous consequences. They should have instead experimented on a small scale. India has to increase the defence budget there is no easy way out considering our immediate hostile neighborhood.
Army was the last bastion. It would be called in when civil admin failed.
With increased outsourcing it will result in army turning to DC to provide support
You can't buy a decent car for 12 lakhs these days, what will an agniveer who had forfeited college education has no idea how to run a business will do with this amount other than spend it all away.
only 8% of the polulation has a car !! what elitism!
Good one...
Saving on MAP
CTC! How about stopping the pensions and perks of these jokers sitting in the parliament Including the chief 🤡 Keep our Parliament youthful and tech savvy. Not some Old Tapori at 70.
You can't compare pensions of some 600 MPs to pensions of lakhs of soldiers anyway
But i do agree that shld end too
@@samyakjain3417 Agreed. However the quality of work that goes on in government organization's from education to machinery. And the packages/ Perks they get, they really don't deserve it.
It seems to be an old version of CTC because we do have a CDS now...Gen Chauhan while you said we don't have one!
See the note on top right of the video
Modi govt's reform really?
Army was planning/suggesting such a reform for 18+ years now!
Yet only accepted by the Modi Govt! Hence a Modi Govt reform.
Police department across the country should have a tour of duty.
No. Police needs to know the local language.
@@lookintoit4537 Take the local language people.
There is no perfect solution. US Army also facing similar issues. Universities may accommodate them for Skilled Training to prepare for civilian Life.
Its high time we created and trained private military organization like Academi, Wagner group, and Al Sadat, under the supervision of NSA, MoHA and MoD consisting, members of remaining 75% agniveers , ex-special forces officers, former spies, and other former military and police officers. This unit can be used for conducting covert operations in foreign soil, curbing insurgency, and to serve Indian interests in multiple geopolitical arenas, like they can aid in providing security to Kashmiri pandits from extremists when we bring them back
We need to have a army fund if we all contribute a small amount - they can use this money to buy weapons, pensions etc
Might as well get ur wish. Rumors are that there is indeed a proposed plan with Ministry of Finance to introduce a new defense and security cess which will go into a centralized corpus fund to finance military modernization initiatives in future.
A well trained in arms and military techniques will become a very potent militants if they become jobless.
this is what government should do :
(Regarding Nepali gorkhas please see my comments at the end)
1. No direct recruitment for Agniveers
2. Take police constables from all the states' police force on deputation as candidates
3. Retain the best as Agniveers (after thorough training for all the candidates for 4 years)
4. Send back to the police force of states the unsuccessful candidates ( with a good bonus) who would have received advanced training and so then they would be more useful to all the states' police forces. The states will be more than happy to take them back and armed forces also will be able to recall them in case of any emergency later.
5. However Centre should give to the states 50 percent salary of returned Agniveer candidates as this would reduce the burden on states. However if this is still a burden we should consider 1:3 ratio (Absorbed to Total candidates ) in recruitment
6. Finally centre would also benefit by this scheme as states' salary scales are lower than central scales . (Also there is no need to pay higher than current regular soilder's salary for Agniveer candidates ( as they will be assured of their earlier police constable job in their home state). This will be a big savings for governments both centre and states. )
7. Tax payer will also be benefitted as his money will not be wasted recklessly - i.e. not squandered
8. In this scenario Armed forces need not worry about unsuccessful candidates' future
9. Lastly the ultimate goal of AFs Armed forces will be met . AFs will have more money for weapons with the best young soldiers and a lean force. Another important point to note is there will not be any gap or discontinuty between regular soilders and the Agniveers. (However many ex-AFs persons have expressed concern on the short duration training of Agniveers which should be looked into. Also is the student to trainer ratio too high ?).
In proposed scheme there is another benefit to the states (and to the nation) . There will be better representation ( in AFs) of all states unlike now. So in future AFs will be owned up by the entire country and not just by a few states. Further it will help the AFs to eventually do away with the cast based regimental system created by the Britishers.
Mainly this proposition is benefit to the aggrieved candidates as they will have a job on hand and unlike in the government's present scheme they will not be simply laid off. Also only those who like AFs' life can willingly continue and the rest can seek better future of their choice.
This is win win win win win ( Centre, States, AFs, Candidates and Tax Payer ) for everybody. However Government and armed forces chiefs should give up their ego and accept this solution in the interest of our nation instead of doing some patch work i.e. assurance of reservation here there and in some in AFs' contactor private companies. Government must consider extension of the above scheme to officers of AFs also i.e. police sub inspector from all states may be taken on deputation for 4 years and select the best. Please note that I have not suggested dilution of standards in selection.
(Note : The above suggestion doesn't apply to non-combat roles. For example say mechanical: Repairing army vehicles. Also in the case of non-combat roles there is a big mistake in the eligibility criteria. For non-combat roles ITI or better diploma holders should be considered as eligibile and not 10 or 12th class pass outs. Further the physical fitness requirements should be less than that of combat roles for obvious reasons.
Armed forces should take a decision whether it can maintain it's equipments on it's own or would subcontract it to public or private companies. In any case in non-combat work laying them off after 4 years doesn't make sense . Further they should be recruited based on separate technical test . For technical trades experienced candidates may be taken from states vehicle workshops /Garages in state road transport, PWD etc. Also the army may offload part of it's repair work to respective State agencies who will have the returned trained Agniveers. This will be lot of savings for the AFs plus it will be back facility.
Also for Tradesmen i.e. Clerks and Store Keepers the eligibility should be 12th Class with Maths, Commerce and Computer as mandatory subjects. These issues needs further thoughts and discussions.)
Regarding pension lot of noise was made in the media about cut on MPs' pension. I suggest Government should take a detailed look at the pensions of everybody i.e. Civil servants and all government servants both in centre and states,pension of Military officers, soldiers and of other workers , pension of judicial officers and court employees, pension of officers and employees of Government under takings and of course pension of people's representatives. This is very very important because pension burden on government is too huge now mostly because life expectancy has increased i.e. People live for 80years or more. Pension is payment for non-productive persons. So it is not obligatory on government to continue this in fresh appointments. Government should be more considered about the insecured majority population ( working in unorganised sector and in small scale industries) and about the unemployed.
So I suggest pension shall be paid in civil administration only for 3 years ( plus a lumpsump amount equal to another 3 years ) in future appointments but pension must be continued only in AF in future appointments also. However even in AF pension shall only be paid for the period he is posted in remote locations. So in sepoy rank assuming out of 20 years service 10 years he is posted in remote locations he shall be paid pension for 10 years plus a lumpsump amount equal to his 5 years' pension. Similar formula has to be worked out for all ranks. However for special forces like commandos , paratroopers etc. Lifetime pension must be paid considering the continuous stress they have to stand-up to. Also considering the sensitive posts and the level responsibility held ,life time pension may be paid for officers of Joint Secretary and above rank, for Equivalent rank persons in AF and also for judges of High court and Supreme court. As their total number is not big it will not be a huge burden on government but their payback to the country will be high. So keeping them financially secure is in the interest of nation.
Another point hotly debated in media is with the government's Agniveer scheme the soldiers ( Agniveer Candidates) would be risk averse. The following solution may be considered for the issue : In every conflict all those directly involved may be paid a bonus equivalent to their 5 years salary and the support persons may be paid bonus equivalent to 3 years salary. So government should set aside an emergency fund for this purpose since in a full blown out war the amount will too big. The dead and injured should be given life time pension instead of bonus. I hope this solution covers the issue satisfactorily. However government should make the bonus a policy and announce it and not keep it adhoc but at the same time AFs chiefs should ensure the provision is not misused.
As far pension of peoples' representatives pension for 5 or3 years may be considered if their annual income is less than say Rs. 5 lakhs so that they vote responsibly on bills and will not fall for any bribe. Even those who get disqualified for ignoring party whip and vote as per concinse should be considered for pension. Finally if the government takes a strong decision on this row now good impact of that on exchequer will be seen only after another 30 years. Just as in AFs all the government servants (if there is life risk in their role ) should be covered by an insurance of Rs. 1 crore if he lays down his life in any action for the country and Rs 50lakhs for any injury.
Regarding Nepali gorkhas : We should keep in mind Nepal is neighbouring country and for the sake of maintaining friendly relationship with Nepal we have to take a different decision. Agnipath should not be applicable in their case and as before they should be directly recruited as soldiers. There should not be any excess recruitmentbut but only so many candidates as number of vacancies. However there should be more rigorous rounds of selection to take the best. Recruitment should be made only to combat roles and not for technical or tradesmen roles. Regarding their pension just like Agniveers they should be given 10 years, pension with 5 years pension as lumpsum at the time of retirement and not life time pension.
The above suggestion covers neapalis' job security issue and at the same time reduce pension burden on our government.
I request everyone to comment on this and share this with others if they agree to my view.
State police can take agniveers after 4 years of service in army.
@@rajeshbobba3851 Why would the state governments take Agniveers in the present form ? It is extra burden for the states but if they take back deputation candidates as I have proposed there is no such burden.
@@IndianSrMan I mean vacant police post should be filled with Agniveers.
@@rajeshbobba3851 lol says who don't have Brian how recruitment works
They have only 10percent only
Increase economic efficiency and decrease poverty give jobs
Not on money saying scheme
The rest of them need jobs
This is a very good program. What remains to be seen is the quality of candidates. Will they attract the people who can actually bring the tech savvy people that the army desires or those who will not be able to bring that impact. 18 year olds run airport security in Israel and take on combat duties. Nothing new here.
The critique related to 4th year competition is again nothing new. I am sure not everyone who is commissioned as a Lt. makes it to a general. They all compete among themselves. Competition is a good thing.
So much depends on how this is implemented and executed. I suspect these will be higher quality and highly motivated soldiers.
Some comments, without thinking, suggested that men from Police force to be inducted in the army ranks. I just want to say, who will face the repurcussions because both institutions have different Eco System.....
Not a good decision this may be reduced expenses but long term cost can be go higher 1stly their job guarantee is not seen so their dedication level in low key the same reason Gorkha are not interested in join the forces highly cost equipment is not in skillful hands so life of this equipment in dark Govt should look into the future of Agniveer and job guarantee should be provided first in Railways as a group D or state police constable or in CAPF GD .
The fact that a soldier joins army for job gurantee itself is a major problem. The only motivation for joining army should be service to the nation and not looking to land a permenant pensionable job. Don't think we don't know that most of the village youth join the Army to secure a permanent government job and a fat penaion. WHT else do u think most of them leave the Army after a term of 12 yrs? Bcoz after 10-12 yrs of service they become qualified for pensions.
@@apsingikar 😂
Why wouldn't the normal recruitment keep the Army young? To keep the army young, you just need to have a recruitment every year to replace the retiring one. The 25% acceptance rate to further filter trained soldiers seems contradictory.
Is it the old one that's being recycled? For any reason, if you're unable to do CTC, just inform by a post rather than recycling an old one.
सर आप वही है न, जिस ने सेना में कू की खबर इंडियन एक्सप्रेस में छपी थी।
मुझे याद है , शायद आप को भी याद हो।
Will impact Schools being run by armed forces
we need young soldiers but not young generals🤣
Is this Agniveer type of idea has not been implemented anywhere else in the world? Is this a purely Indian idea? I don’t think so. There are countries where military service for young is compulsory.
That is called conscription. This is implemented in those countries where there are either less people willing to join armed forces or population is too low and threats to that country are more than a small army can handle. We don't have these problems. US used to have conscripted army till Vietnam War but after that they have a fully professional army.
@@surajbiradar9827 yes. But all the negatives pointed out by Shekar for Agniveer can also apply to conscription.
Length of Military conscription in various countries
🇰🇵 North Korea: 8-10 years
🇪🇬 Egypt: 12-36 months
🇮🇱 Israel: 32 months
🇮🇷 Iran: 18-24 months
🇰🇷 South Korea: 18-21 months
🇫🇮 Finland: 6-12 months
🇹🇷 Turkey: 6-12 months
🇦🇹 Austria: 6-9 months
🇹🇼 Taiwan: 4 months
@@Vagabond617 main difference between a conscript and agniveer is conscripts are not planning their career in military in the first place.
But every agniveer is planning a career in the armed forces but now he has only 25% chance of continuing that
Sir I thought you will go a lil deeper on the finance part,to verify this expenditure on pension & salary part,ARMED forces have almost 2.5L civilian def employees & plz ask your team to do a research on this aspect about what % of this revenue expenditure is consumed by this community!! I have a rough idea but please ask your team to do the research & dedicate an episode on this aspect too,Cat must come out of the bag,the biggest burden is the def civvys not armed forces pers
The Rest Will Be Absorbed By Private Security Agencies Atleast For Next 3 Batches
Just a dream vision lol
Not in pratical lol
"Presently India doesn't have a CDS".... Really?
We don’t need enemies. Our own leaders gonna destroy our army. Bad luck of us
Can you kindly specify on the name of the video that this is a rerun of a previous episode. This practice is kinda dodgy..
no community is perfect including the army ....not just in India but anywhere in the world.. that is human nature .. u always have both good and bad .. In this case, also we produce both good and bad guys.. no choice, society needs to tackle these things ...
Nice ok
Resettle these retired agnipath warriers in Kashmir with rifles.
Agniveer got reservation 10% in PSU, State police, defense ministry and home ministry. Don't listen opposition they are misleading
@@sushantparmar3076 and all psu are selling to corparates
@@sushantparmar3076
Read about Ex servicemen representation in other Services & total number of ex servicemen employed in the Period of 2014-21
Parliament Question listed h read more about it…
10% reservation etc is merely a lollipop 😂
@@IdeaOfIndia21stCentury What u said nothing I understood
@@sushantparmar3076 😂
Training load of battalion increaes
We have CDS sir..
Sir only job retired service man gets is a security job
Agniveer should invest their one time payment in Franklin Templeton mutual funds otherwise they will be left with no source of income. Unless they join private armies like Wagner or their Indian variants.
Why this government is reducing the size of army. Even Pakistan is not reducing
Bcoz our teeth to tail ratio is abysmal and modern wars are more tech intensive and soldiers are now required to be technically proficient and educated to be able to operate advanced technology solutions.
Any clear statistics on how much the government is spending on paying pensions to ex-MLAs and ex-MPs? Any plan to roll out similar scheme for the latter group?
1.5 Billion with 600 million youth..
Its about Time to induct one and all youth in Uniform..
must..must ..must.
Like Israel....Korea: Egypt: Singapore: Switzerland.
set up BOOT CAMPS for training in one and all of 600,000 villages.
skill build up:
Multi Tasking
along with 100 % discipline.
Service : Training..as Apprentice.
During the military training:
Sadguru/baba ramdev ...Sri Hari.wil impart YOGA training for mind control..PEACE.
plus all IT Majors will skil them with AI..Digital
Tatas..L&T.. Mahindars.. all big cos will train them in Management etc.
Integrate men and technology.
After completon deploy them Globally to bridge Skill gaps of the world with 1005 absolute Discipline.