Nice work, I've been a fan of your vids almost since you started, but Melbourne (and Point Nepean) are in south eastern Australia, NOT south western as you have in the notes. As a Melbourne resident writing on a rainy day with a top temperature of 10 degrees I have to thank you for describing our city as "sunny", perhaps that will help refute Melbourne's image as a cold, wet place.. ;)
Living in Melbourne, I went to the fort when briefly in the area on holiday a couple years ago. It was quite a walk, as the trail leading to the old fort is only even taken by paid busses or walking. With almost no shelter and a rediculously large amount of flies. I quite enjoyed the fort, learning about what went where and so on. I even saw an Echina walking around in the bushes by the trail on our way back. There’s actually also a point along the trail where, in 1968, Prime Minister Harold Holt disappeared when swimming off the coast in rough conditions, his body was never recovered and he was declared dead ‘in absentia’
Considering the "The Second World War" started with a surprise attack on Poland by Nazi Germany, Nepean's claim of "first shot of the war" is easily debunkable. The most definitive claim for the first.... was the KMS Schleswig-Holstein, an old german battleship that was docked in Polish-controled Danzig the night before and opened fire on Polish gun batteries at 4 a.m. on September 1st, the day the invasion began.
Late comment but I live next to this area and have visited many times. You forgot one very important thing about fort nepean. Have you heard of Cheviot beach? If not I highly reccomend you look it up. If you need a hint, 1967.
Fun fact: although fort nepean is the most well known, there are actually several other abandoned forts in the area. Out of the 3 on the peninsula however, 2 are in the point nepean national park, while the third currently is located in a campsite just 1 kilometre east of the park entrance. Theres also 2-3 other forts outside the peninsula, with only 1 of them actually being used by the military to the present day (swan island). Theres also noticeable other structures in the bay entrance including the southern channel pile light, chinamans hat (a decommissioned structure named for the shape of its roof) and popes eye, which was going to be yet another fort but the idea was abandoned due to the government believing that they already had enough forts, leaving only the outline of the island that was supposed to be the fort actually being built
My grandfather used to work there so I was there quite often. I used to love going through the tunnels in the area, unfortunately most have been closed off now with just a few left for tourists. Occasionally live shells get found there too so it pays to stick to the tracks. From the sounds of it, it will also be opened for overnight camping soon too.
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Thanks! Yea we are all hooked up now, although the highest download speeds have been circa 27mbps, not the best for fiber optic, but for us its more than enough!
Actually the ABC reported that the German Captain wanted to still escape, to do that you would have to go through an area called the heads, it is claimed a lot of vessels in the past so and it requires a pilot man to navigate the small area that's deep enough, and when he's on he outranks the captain, he issued the return to port
another cool thing about point nepean, is that one of our prime ministers (harold holt) kinda just went diving and never surfaced. they never found his body or anything! anyway as an aussie this video made my day ive been to point nepean a couple of times and its a lovely place for a bit of a walk!
Ok, the german cargo ship captured by the brits survived a cannon shot, a collision with a French Battleship and two torpedoes during the war. That's some serious *_DEUTSCHE QUALITÄT_*
So let me get this straight... Fort Nepean claims they fired the first shot of WW2 with a shot that they fired at one of their own ships... How exactly is this a good thing and why in the fuck would you ever want to be remembered for it!?
This fort sounds just about as agressive as that island with an indigenous tribe on, somewhere on Earth. I remeber a story of a major Earthquake having hit the area and the government nearby the island send out a helicopter to check if they were okay. They quickly found out that they were, after multiple arrows were fired at the helicopter.
I wouldn't consider it at all. Infact if we are talking about earlier wars that became part of the Second World War. I would consider the Second Sino-Japanese war. Which is another argument since no one can decide whether is it 1931 or 1937 that it started. WOULD be cool if you did a episode on the war.
That is true I was thinking about the Sino Japanese war as it got all rolled up into WW2, I do really want to look into the war more. I just worry it will upset me as it was a really brutal conflict!
Plainly Difficult Studying it for over 3 years with my uncle over in Hong Kong. I'll glady present some facts over the war and how it went down. Upsetting? Yes most of the time it will be but its Asia. We do stuff that no one really dares to do.
At least you have at least something thought about WW1.Here,it's just common knowledge that the Americans,British,France,Germany,Russia,Ottoman & Austria-Hunagry were in it & many people question why was it called a "World War" due to that common knowledge.We were barely thought or mention WW1 due to all the spotlight only pointing at the Japanese Occupation in WW2 mostly because we were just a British Colony & not yet really on the road of independence(even though there was 1 skirmish fought here from one of my favourite WW1 German Navy story (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Penang ).If it was mentioned,it would simply be like 1/2 lines from the text books & some side notes from the teachers.It's a shame too since after learning more from graphic books,strategy games,a certain RUclips channel & BF1,it is even more interesting than the typical story of "European powers fighting in a trench stalemate all across the Western Front using bolt action rifles,artillery,gas,grenades,MG & early tanks for 4 years while experiencing the suffering,boredom & painful lifestyle in the trenches"
Oh. Well at least our air force has more fighting capability than New Zealand's! ( But then again New Zealand doesn't have any air fighting capabilities. )
I'm one of the people who believe WW2 truly started with the Sino-Japan war and the Manchurian conflict (as it was continuous fighting of 2 major war powers). In my experience most Europeans believe it's the invasion of Poland (which, fair enough, but is after the Manchurian Incident) or The German Annexations (no real combat) some Ultra nationalists Germans believe it was the Occupation of the Ruhr as it was an "act of aggression". And some Americans believe it was the Raid on Pearl Harbor (because it marks the entry of the final major nation...somehow).
maybe ypou could do a strange places for predjama casttle. it has a interesting history a mysterius owner and a sescret entrence . there was also some hounting reports if you belive in that.
Plainly Difficult hey you should add more patreon reward levels. I just upgraded to the 6 dollars and it whould be great if you added a 10 or a 20 dollar reward levels. and also keep on the great work each one of your videos is better than the last.
Dayum you organised boi, erry week, keep it up. Da fans love it.Fucking Strayan episode bloody oath this was like a bloody public bar at closing time, next time don't leave us shitting bricks, and instead just learn to to talk under wet cement with a mouth full of marbles. Google translate that shit.
Btw please dont translate that, I dont know what it means, Im australian but im just talking out of me arse, and if you want to know a real talking out of the arse scenario, my grandmother would refer to Down-syndromes and special needs people as Mongols, yes Mongols, that is a slang word for indeed special needs. God bless straya
Al Sarmiento Not sure what you're talking about, I spent a considerable amount of time in school learning about the western and eastern theaters of ww1
in Australia we're taught about Gallipoli and Villers-Bretonneux for the same reason Canadians are taught about battles like Vimy Ridge, both our nations were quite young at the time and these battles are seen as showing the world that we weren't just colonial outposts anymore and that we could hold our own!
Hello everyone I hope you enjoy this weeks video!!
*Mistake edit, Fort Nepean is South East not South West, Please accept my apologies.
Plainly Difficult May I ask you your name good Sir?
Nice work, I've been a fan of your vids almost since you started, but Melbourne (and Point Nepean) are in south eastern Australia, NOT south western as you have in the notes. As a Melbourne resident writing on a rainy day with a top temperature of 10 degrees I have to thank you for describing our city as "sunny", perhaps that will help refute Melbourne's image as a cold, wet place.. ;)
Thanks for the comment dave! Sorry about saying SW instead of SE, Most places are sunny for me, as I'm always comparing to London!
Thanks for the comment my name is John :)
Not only that but a few hundred metres away one of our prime ministers went for a swim in the 60s and never came back.
been there today, the walk is beautiful and soo many godamn forts, can explore pretty much every room too.
I live like 10 minutes away from there. We did a tour of it in school.
The best part of every Thursday. Thank you, Mr. Plainly.
Thanks for the comment! thanks for tuning in!!
Living in Melbourne, I went to the fort when briefly in the area on holiday a couple years ago. It was quite a walk, as the trail leading to the old fort is only even taken by paid busses or walking. With almost no shelter and a rediculously large amount of flies. I quite enjoyed the fort, learning about what went where and so on. I even saw an Echina walking around in the bushes by the trail on our way back.
There’s actually also a point along the trail where, in 1968, Prime Minister Harold Holt disappeared when swimming off the coast in rough conditions, his body was never recovered and he was declared dead ‘in absentia’
Fort Nepean is about an hours drive from me
I’ll have to go there one day
Heard so much about WW I and II like before, during and after school but this was new to me
Considering the "The Second World War" started with a surprise attack on Poland by Nazi Germany, Nepean's claim of "first shot of the war" is easily debunkable.
The most definitive claim for the first.... was the KMS Schleswig-Holstein, an old german battleship that was docked in Polish-controled Danzig the night before and opened fire on Polish gun batteries at 4 a.m. on September 1st, the day the invasion began.
Luke Freet the first shot for the allies maybe
TheObsidianX Probably by the Poles. I will concede that it would have been the first shot by a Western allied power.
it can be first for Commonwealth though...
WIACZO I guess that would be true.
First shots by both sides (German and Poland) were during Battle of Westerplatte: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Westerplatte on 1st of September.
Side note... I don't know why I find that so funny, but I do. Good one!
Late comment but I live next to this area and have visited many times.
You forgot one very important thing about fort nepean.
Have you heard of Cheviot beach?
If not I highly reccomend you look it up. If you need a hint, 1967.
Emily de Silva same I live in rosebud so not exactly far from it.
Even on a good day I'd be enjoying that beach from the hill above it. Crazy rips.
Harold Holt knew it well - or that's what he thought.
Fun fact: although fort nepean is the most well known, there are actually several other abandoned forts in the area. Out of the 3 on the peninsula however, 2 are in the point nepean national park, while the third currently is located in a campsite just 1 kilometre east of the park entrance. Theres also 2-3 other forts outside the peninsula, with only 1 of them actually being used by the military to the present day (swan island). Theres also noticeable other structures in the bay entrance including the southern channel pile light, chinamans hat (a decommissioned structure named for the shape of its roof) and popes eye, which was going to be yet another fort but the idea was abandoned due to the government believing that they already had enough forts, leaving only the outline of the island that was supposed to be the fort actually being built
where can i go to explore them?
Almost at 7.5k! Good job and keep going, your videos are always genuinely interesting. Thanks for making them!
Thanks tom thanks for there support!!
My grandfather used to work there so I was there quite often. I used to love going through the tunnels in the area, unfortunately most have been closed off now with just a few left for tourists. Occasionally live shells get found there too so it pays to stick to the tracks. From the sounds of it, it will also be opened for overnight camping soon too.
Excellent video, as always. You get an instant like before I even view the clip at this point! Cheers.
Aww thanks Chris!
holy crap my name is in a video!. we did it you tube im famous by association!!!!!
i love that you are taking viewers comments and using them for content. awesome
Thanks for the suggestion! I get so many good tips for subjects!
Amazing video, one thing I noticed was a glitch in the audio at like 01:05 but that's just a small thing. Everything else about the video is perfect.
Thanks for the comment, i think it was an editing error on my behalf. I hope you enjoy the video otherwise!
Plainly Difficult it was fantastic otherwise
*Before Watching Video*
I know this is going to be very interesting and informative. One of my top ten favorite RUclips channels ever.
Thanks!!
Fort Nepean well worth a visit. Historically significant area and much natural beauty. Great pubs and restaurants close by too.
I forgot to comment last week! But great job on both videos, hope all is going well with BT and your new place! Thanks!
Thanks! Yea we are all hooked up now, although the highest download speeds have been circa 27mbps, not the best for fiber optic, but for us its more than enough!
I Always wanted this to be discussed thanks for the amazing video
It's a nice walk around Point Nepean. I thoroughly recommend it if you get the chance, especially on a sunny day.
+ProgrammedForDamage I'd love to just flights are so expensive from not so sunny London xD
Actually the ABC reported that the German Captain wanted to still escape, to do that you would have to go through an area called the heads, it is claimed a lot of vessels in the past so and it requires a pilot man to navigate the small area that's deep enough, and when he's on he outranks the captain, he issued the return to port
These are excellent videos well done and thank you!
Thanks for the comment glad you enjoy the videos!!
another cool thing about point nepean, is that one of our prime ministers (harold holt) kinda just went diving and never surfaced. they never found his body or anything! anyway as an aussie this video made my day ive been to point nepean a couple of times and its a lovely place for a bit of a walk!
Reckon you'd make the Aussie videos 10x better by just chatting with one of us on Discord and you'll start getting the pronounciations right.
Ok, the german cargo ship captured by the brits survived a cannon shot, a collision with a French Battleship and two torpedoes during the war. That's some serious *_DEUTSCHE QUALITÄT_*
you should do a video on operation mincemeat and operation zigzag
Thanks for the suggestion and the comment! Zepherus did a great video on Mincemeat well worth checking out!
Damn I've been there and sat up on top of the B1 gun. Such an interesting history!
Do a video of the Great Locomotive Chase during the Civil War.
Oh that sounds up my alley ill look into that thanks for the suggestion!!
About the ww2 incident all i think is "trigger happy Aussie"
So let me get this straight... Fort Nepean claims they fired the first shot of WW2 with a shot that they fired at one of their own ships...
How exactly is this a good thing and why in the fuck would you ever want to be remembered for it!?
you say 0:32 southwest Australia.. but Victoria is on the southeast.???
Yea that was my bad slip of the tongue I've put the correction in my pinned post. Thanks for the comment!
It’s a great place to visit,highly recommended.
Yay Go Australia, Proud of my country XD
great video
Thanks man! Hows work going?
good, in one week i will go to germany
Hey, I've been there!
hey this is just down the road - i'll have to go visit!
It's a gorgeous place, just watch out for the tiger and brown snakes.
I would definitely count the shots at Point Nepean (fort) as the first of WW2
1:58 - No fingers in ears or hands on ears. Poor bastards.
I'v been there a few times
This fort sounds just about as agressive as that island with an indigenous tribe on, somewhere on Earth. I remeber a story of a major Earthquake having hit the area and the government nearby the island send out a helicopter to check if they were okay. They quickly found out that they were, after multiple arrows were fired at the helicopter.
Please do emu war of 1932 it is cool Thanks for considering:)
I wouldn't consider it at all. Infact if we are talking about earlier wars that became part of the Second World War. I would consider the Second Sino-Japanese war. Which is another argument since no one can decide whether is it 1931 or 1937 that it started. WOULD be cool if you did a episode on the war.
That is true I was thinking about the Sino Japanese war as it got all rolled up into WW2, I do really want to look into the war more. I just worry it will upset me as it was a really brutal conflict!
Plainly Difficult Studying it for over 3 years with my uncle over in Hong Kong. I'll glady present some facts over the war and how it went down. Upsetting? Yes most of the time it will be but its Asia. We do stuff that no one really dares to do.
Great video
Thank glad you enjoyed it!!
Yes
At least you have at least something thought about WW1.Here,it's just common knowledge that the Americans,British,France,Germany,Russia,Ottoman & Austria-Hunagry were in it & many people question why was it called a "World War" due to that common knowledge.We were barely thought or mention WW1 due to all the spotlight only pointing at the Japanese Occupation in WW2 mostly because we were just a British Colony & not yet really on the road of independence(even though there was 1 skirmish fought here from one of my favourite WW1 German Navy story (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Penang ).If it was mentioned,it would simply be like 1/2 lines from the text books & some side notes from the teachers.It's a shame too since after learning more from graphic books,strategy games,a certain RUclips channel & BF1,it is even more interesting than the typical story of "European powers fighting in a trench stalemate all across the Western Front using bolt action rifles,artillery,gas,grenades,MG & early tanks for 4 years while experiencing the suffering,boredom & painful lifestyle in the trenches"
Yes.
Australia. Our first shot at ww2 was friendly fire.
Oh. Well at least our air force has more fighting capability than New Zealand's! ( But then again New Zealand doesn't have any air fighting capabilities. )
Its understandable, we did lose a war to Emu's.
It was the first Australian gun fired in WWII.
in the uk lieutenant is pronounced "left tenant" the Americans say the former
I'm one of the people who believe WW2 truly started with the Sino-Japan war and the Manchurian conflict (as it was continuous fighting of 2 major war powers).
In my experience most Europeans believe it's the invasion of Poland (which, fair enough, but is after the Manchurian Incident) or The German Annexations (no real combat)
some Ultra nationalists Germans believe it was the Occupation of the Ruhr as it was an "act of aggression".
And some Americans believe it was the Raid on Pearl Harbor (because it marks the entry of the final major nation...somehow).
Hey I've been there
Ok I’ll be the one to say it since no other Aussie here has said it.
*”Mel-Born”*
Maby the fisrt friendly fire of ww2
*South-east Australia
Hm.... I think Germany had the first shot in WW2. Probably from the Schleswig Holstein on Danzig.
When you say that melbourne is sunny
Ive only ever seen pictures but it looks a little nicer weather wise than London! Id love to check Melbourne out in person! Thanks for the comment!!
Melbourne is famous for having all 4 seasons in a day
Plainly Difficult And a ship load o if trams.
It is sunny mate. Too bloody hot. I actually live here.
@@DIY_Miracle Laughs in Outback Australian
Friendly Fire isn't.
Yes and Sure, why not?
Victoria ain’t that sunny mate haha
maybe ypou could do a strange places for predjama casttle. it has a interesting history a mysterius owner and a sescret entrence . there was also some hounting reports if you belive in that.
Ill have to look into it thanks for the suggestion! and thanks for the comment!!
Plainly Difficult hey you should add more patreon reward levels. I just upgraded to the 6 dollars and it whould be great if you added a 10 or a 20 dollar reward levels.
and also keep on the great work each one of your videos is better than the last.
Dayum you organised boi, erry week, keep it up. Da fans love it.Fucking Strayan episode bloody oath this was like a bloody public bar at closing time, next time don't leave us shitting bricks, and instead just learn to to talk under wet cement with a mouth full of marbles. Google translate that shit.
Btw please dont translate that, I dont know what it means, Im australian but im just talking out of me arse, and if you want to know a real talking out of the arse scenario, my grandmother would refer to Down-syndromes and special needs people as Mongols, yes Mongols, that is a slang word for indeed special needs. God bless straya
XD!
must be one of them 1080 memes....
South EAST Australia.
WW1 is taught in the USA just like in the UK. 1 Serbia 2 Russia/Ottomans 3 Western Front. Thats all we got
Surviving a collision and 2 torpedoes? That's German engineering for you
The ship, not the fort
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We're not taught about WW1 in school here in America 😂
Al Sarmiento True. I was only aware that it happened, for the most part.
Al Sarmiento Not sure what you're talking about, I spent a considerable amount of time in school learning about the western and eastern theaters of ww1
On your own? Or was the teacher just thorough?
Luke Freet Both, we had individual presentations on the subject, the teacher was thorough, and we had a guest speaker from a ww1 weapons museum
Wow, which course was that in: U.S. History or World History (Assuming we're all talking about during High School).
All i learned from this is that australians are triggerhappy.
XD!
The United states didn't join the war until 1941.....just sayin'.
Instead of Gallipoli, here in Canada they taught us about Neuve Chapelle, Ypres, Somme, Vimy Ridge, and Passchandaele. This sounds more interesting.
in Australia we're taught about Gallipoli and Villers-Bretonneux for the same reason Canadians are taught about battles like Vimy Ridge, both our nations were quite young at the time and these battles are seen as showing the world that we weren't just colonial outposts anymore and that we could hold our own!