Great video, but how to apply to suicidal/harm OCD? How can you do anything but absolutely hate the idea of harming yourself/harming another person? How to change the belief that fuels the fear of harming oneself/another?
Depends if you have secondary irrational beliefs about suicidal ideations. If you have controlling attitudes about not experiencing certain thoughts or emotions, then that might exacerbate problems. For instance, "I must Never experience thoughts about harming myself, and if I do, it would be completely awful and a dystopia". If you allow these thoughts to be there and assert that having these thoughts is very bad, but not awful, will help. Maybe you also have a low-frustration tolerance attitude about these thoughts. It is important to assert in these rational beliefs that • it is (very) bad, but not awful and the end of you or the world • your ability to experience future pleasure is not disabled • it is very worth for you to tolerate the discomfort (because of X goals and value) • scale badness from.0-100 to gain perspective • time project the adversity: 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 1 year, 5 years. Any difference or still completely obnoxiously bad? Secondary disturbances can exacerbate the primary irrational belief
I'm 30 female from India. I can't go to a therapist right now for various reasons. So i have to resort to internet to help myself recover. I'm totally desperate to get better. So please reply to my previous comment.
Good insights. One question, though. If it's true that irrational beliefs are partly fueled by emotions and sunk costs, would it be good also to work on one's emotions by investing in what is in line with one's values and disinvesting from what isn't? There is disagreement on that issue, though. Do emotions feed beliefs or is it the reverse? Am I afraid because I think that something is dangerous, or do I think something is dangerous because I'm afraid? Or is there an interaction between the two at an unconscious level? It seems that you believe that emotions also play a role in belief formation because you recommend disputing irrational beliefs in a somewhat forceful way.
Behaviours, attitudes and emotions are all interdependent. I would even argue that attitudes are quite emotional, especially when it is backed up with synced behaviour. REBT teaches many cognitive, emotive and behavioral techniques to strengthen your convinction in your rB and weaken your convinction in your iB. For example, disputing empirically, logically and pragmatically both iBs and rBs. Challenging one's rB and then forcefully responding to the challenges can be helpful Rational emotive imagery also can change attitudes by changing emotions and cognitions. Windy Dryden has published a lot of good books on REBT for practical use for clients (and therapists)
Please tell me if I'm on the right track or not. My sexual intrusive thoughts are becoming more n more vivid with stronger feelings/urges n involuntary body movements as if I'm engaging in them but I feel less disgust and less anxiety. This is after few days of ignoring the thoughts. M i getting better or is it worsening? I somewhat feel guilty for not feeling the disgust of the thoughts anymore even though i doubt it's my own thought or ocd.
Hi! I really like your videos! And i have a question for it. Say that i can clearly see that i can benefit of release my IBS. But even then i can doubt: What if i can’t do that thing that i will benefit from. If i dont manage that i will be stuck for ever. Is’nt it then better to expose myself for worst case senario? In this case: ”I nerver gonna dispute my irrationell belives” Would be happy if you will help me out here 🙏🏼
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Kirsty, this video is such a helpful one. Thank you so much.
Olive thank you for your kind comments, it means so much to me x
Great video, but how to apply to suicidal/harm OCD? How can you do anything but absolutely hate the idea of harming yourself/harming another person? How to change the belief that fuels the fear of harming oneself/another?
Wanna know this too
I’m wondering about this one as well!!
Depends if you have secondary irrational beliefs about suicidal ideations. If you have controlling attitudes about not experiencing certain thoughts or emotions, then that might exacerbate problems.
For instance, "I must Never experience thoughts about harming myself, and if I do, it would be completely awful and a dystopia".
If you allow these thoughts to be there and assert that having these thoughts is very bad, but not awful, will help.
Maybe you also have a low-frustration tolerance attitude about these thoughts.
It is important to assert in these rational beliefs that
• it is (very) bad, but not awful and the end of you or the world
• your ability to experience future pleasure is not disabled
• it is very worth for you to tolerate the discomfort (because of X goals and value)
• scale badness from.0-100 to gain perspective
• time project the adversity: 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 1 year, 5 years. Any difference or still completely obnoxiously bad?
Secondary disturbances can exacerbate the primary irrational belief
Great perspective kirsty!
I'm 30 female from India. I can't go to a therapist right now for various reasons. So i have to resort to internet to help myself recover. I'm totally desperate to get better. So please reply to my previous comment.
Hope you can find some relief im trying to figure out my own shit haha
Good insights. One question, though. If it's true that irrational beliefs are partly fueled by emotions and sunk costs, would it be good also to work on one's emotions by investing in what is in line with one's values and disinvesting from what isn't?
There is disagreement on that issue, though. Do emotions feed beliefs or is it the reverse? Am I afraid because I think that something is dangerous, or do I think something is dangerous because I'm afraid? Or is there an interaction between the two at an unconscious level? It seems that you believe that emotions also play a role in belief formation because you recommend disputing irrational beliefs in a somewhat forceful way.
Behaviours, attitudes and emotions are all interdependent. I would even argue that attitudes are quite emotional, especially when it is backed up with synced behaviour.
REBT teaches many cognitive, emotive and behavioral techniques to strengthen your convinction in your rB and weaken your convinction in your iB.
For example, disputing empirically, logically and pragmatically both iBs and rBs. Challenging one's rB and then forcefully responding to the challenges can be helpful
Rational emotive imagery also can change attitudes by changing emotions and cognitions.
Windy Dryden has published a lot of good books on REBT for practical use for clients (and therapists)
Please tell me if I'm on the right track or not. My sexual intrusive thoughts are becoming more n more vivid with stronger feelings/urges n involuntary body movements as if I'm engaging in them but I feel less disgust and less anxiety. This is after few days of ignoring the thoughts. M i getting better or is it worsening? I somewhat feel guilty for not feeling the disgust of the thoughts anymore even though i doubt it's my own thought or ocd.
It is good to hear that your anxiety is reducing. When you say you are ignoring the thoughts do you mean that you are not engaging with them?
@@kirsty9330 yes. I'm not ruminating or feeling guilty. Just taking it as part of my ocd and not something that defines me.
Hey OCD revovery is it possible if you could explain how it takes 15 minutes to dispute ibs?
Hi!
I really like your videos! And i have a question for it. Say that i can clearly see that i can benefit of release my IBS. But even then i can doubt: What if i can’t do that thing that i will benefit from. If i dont manage that i will be stuck for ever.
Is’nt it then better to expose myself for worst case senario? In this case: ”I nerver gonna dispute my irrationell belives”
Would be happy if you will help me out here 🙏🏼
Hi Petter. 🙋🏼♀️
Did you find any answer to your question? I‘m struggling so much with the same questions at the moment.
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