17:00 When poor people get UBI, I keep hearing about how they're entitled and don't deserve it because they'll waste it on iPhones. But when CEOs fire 1,000 employees and give themselves a $200M bonuses on top of their $40M salary, I never hear anyone say "they don't need $200M because they'll waste it on a private jet and a third yacht."
It usually seems to be more along the lines of "the CEO deserves it, because he generated profits for the corporation that are 15x that amount." They seem to forget all of the other people who work for the corporation who collectively have done much, much more to produce those profits, and rarely get to share in them because "they've already been paid through their salary," which sees little to no increase year on year. The people downstream may even have reduced salaries, or be 'downsized,' -in- -pursuit- -of- -ever- -greater- -profits- as a reward for their efforts.
The rich man given $200m to waste on a plane is touted as good for the economy. A poor person given $100 for food is classed as a scrounger. Strange old world isn't it?
What is it with the hatred of wanting a decent life for everyone? What makes them think helping someone up lowers them? Raising others up raises society as a whole
@@lifeinthevoid1595 Capitalism is a dog-eat-dog world. Helping others lowers your profits so it's bad. Capitalism is so engrained in people's brains they cannot imagine a system not built upon it. My gf's brother sometimes short-circuits when I explain to him that landlords are not needed. "And how will landlords earn money if nobody pays for rent?" Me: "By getting a real job like the rest of us? Also nobody gets "paid" anything in communism. To each according to their needs, from each according to their abilities" "But how would a landlord pay to get your windows repaired if you don't pay rent?" Incapable of imagining a world that isn't capitalism
As an old bloke surrounded by guys my age who are going nuts for all these idiots (Shapiro, Crowder, Rogan, Musk...), I must say that it fills my heart with joy and hope to see so many young people not swallowing the shit they peddle.
You should definitely check out Matt Binder's appearance on Tim Pool's show the other day. He gave a good account of himself, and Tim didn't come out of it looking too smart. In fact, Matt's live stream a couple of days later, attracted loads of Tim Pool subscribers, but not to troll or abuse him, instead they seemed to be saying that they were put off by Tim's performance and had subscribed to Matt's channel, so I think you're right and we've been underestimating this generation's resistance to being bullsh!tted
@@jasonkillbourn I was just watching it! First saw clips on Sam Seder's The Majority Report and couldn't help myself. Also a big fan of Matt Lech's (big hero of mine) Left Reckoning, Rebecca Watson, Some More News (satire at it's best, the one about Benjamin Shapiro is a masterpiece), Hbomberguy... There are quite a few of young promises. Thanks anyway and power to the people!
@@MaestroAlvis Conservative teenagers at best, like someone in my age range, 15 to 18 years old (I'm 17, will be 18 in 2 months) However I do feel like there's that appeal to older folks too in his content too, but if Shabibo's badly paid (probably) Gen-Z editor is enough of an example then yes, they're REALLY trying to pull in those teens. Dunno if it's working though.
On the jobs thing... People DO want to work, just not at jobs that crush their soul, where they are exploited mercilessly and where the work they do does not cover the financial needs they have nor allows any time to pursue the pure joy of being alive.
Not trying to be antagonistic, but this is almost word-for--word what the OP said in the video about UBI. ^.^ Just pointing out an observation, haha...
And it baffles me why conservatives like to call us “lazy”. Like, excuse me? I’m a working class person, and as workers, we don’t have the luxury of being lazy.
It’s funny hearing Rogan say how much everyone else in the world has changed since 2019 while being completely oblivious to even the possibility that it’s the other way around.
Riight? I hear the constant drumbeat of "the radical left" this and "the woke mob" that, and I ask myself if my own political agenda has changed over the last forty years. I realize that it has not. It's definitely the right wing that has become radicalized.
@@brentwalker3300 you know that’s not true. The Democratic Party, including the current Vice President, literally bailed out terrorists in 2020 and allowed terrorist communists to take over parts of the country for weeks and in cases months on end. The left has gone insane since 2016
@@connormcquaid7462 Which pieces of legislation by the Democrats do you consider "radical"? The liberal political agenda is the same as it was when I first voted. I'd say that overturning settled Constitutional law is about as radical as it gets. Thanks GOP.
@@connormcquaid7462 What "radical rhetoric"? I've been following politics very closely over the past six years and have heard nothing radical from Democrats. Or is it that you just love using terms like "radical left", "woke", "cancel culture", "marxist", etc., without knowing what they mean?
@@karimshebeika8010 Multiple jobs like doing UfC once every couple months or standup while out partying in the weekends or talking to some people for 3hours three times a week?
The problem with Rogan is that he is easy to manipulate and that he will never push back on any guest and when you only have right wing guests on you show that's means he pivots more and more to the right.
The problem with Rogan is, that he is a beta male in a society that refuses to acknowledge that beta males are to meek and submissive in their nature to form their own opinions and should be sheltered and under the guidance of a legal guaridan until.
He used to push back though, remember Rubin and the post office, or the building regulations? He used to understand some stuff well enough to realise "wait....? What?". Nowadays it's just "really? The post office ships children to pedos? Unbelievable! Someone needs to intervene!" 🤣
If I got a UBI I would actually have a kid. All these people worried about the collapse of the nuclear family, scared about falling birthrates, should support a UBI. I would love to have a child, but even though we are college educated, we simply cannot afford it. A high school degree was enough for people to raise 4 kids when my parents were my age. My dad was able to support us for 4 years by himself, comfortably, owning a house. Now we live in apartments, housing costs are out of control, we can barely afford our own healthcare. What if our kid has special needs? We wouldn't be able to meet them. A UBI would also make me feel more comfortable about bringing another drone into this economy. The constant stress is life-destroying. Working all the time and still just treading water, watching every raise get swallowed by increased rent and prices, it's hell. That's not life. It makes us all miserable, and Joe Rogan says "some people need a fire under their ass." Joe, everyone already has a fire under their ass, all day, every day. You know what that does? It creates a singed ass, charred and painful. It creates people addicted to alcohol and opium as they self medicate the daily torture. And if you're already working the best job you can get, you're just holding us in the fire because it "builds character" even though there's clear path to escape it. You can take a risk and jump blindly towards what you think might be an escape, but guess what? You might land in an even bigger and hotter fire. You don't have the luxury to take risks when rent needs to be paid. Joe has a bucket of water right there, UBI, he could decide "this guy's ass has been burned enough, give him the water" but you think that would spoil me? That's not an economy, that's hell. That's how you create damaged people. Joe Rogan works hard, he doesn't have any fire under his ass does he? He doesn't 'have to worry about adding up the cost of items in the grocery cart to make sure you can pay for it. Yet he still works. Elon Musk has lots of money, he still works. But rich people think they are special, that they have hundreds of millions or billions of dollars because there was a fire under Joe's ass for maybe 5 adult years before he landed extremely lucrative jobs. He thinks that's comparable to someone who has been working full time for 10, 20, 30 years and still can't find any economic stability? Who has been injured on the job working in kitchens to serve people like Joe? How can you live with yourself having so much wealth, but not advocating that the people who serve you day in and day out have enough money to send their kids to college, to go to the dentist, to take a week off now and then to enjoy life? Instead of a fire under your ass, that you have to somehow desperately escape in a country where everyone's ass is on fire and water buckets are limited, where the hotter the fire under workers the greater the shareholder returns, why don't we incentivize people with good wages that allow them to travel, engage in more expensive hobbies, to save up for businesses or invest or improve their lives? People want good things. Most people are willing to work hard to get them. I've stretched the analogy enough, but the idea that misery is what produces productivity and greatness is just flat out wrong. I've lived in impoverished areas, they aren't great bastions of productivity where heroes are made. They are full of desperate miserable people that have no hope for anything better, they've lived with the fire so long that they just sit down and accept it. Their town is dying, manufacturing moved out, people turned to drugs and crime the jobs went away. What people need is a sense of community. That 1k in the pocket of the poor people on the street will make them feel like they matter, that someone cares. It would give hope to the hopeless. Housing to the homeless. UBI is necessary. We need living wages. Until a person who works full time earns a living wage, castigating the poor as lazy and entitled is just plain cruel.
@@str8gamingfacts Thank you so much, I really appreciate that. You put a huge smile on my face. I do love writing and poetry when the muse throws me headfirst into an idea. Even better if someone else gets to enjoy it with me. I wonder if someone could draw a comic of this analogy, I really like the visualization, I'm gonna draft one up.
I kinda understand their frustration. For years they've been defending Joe Rogan for having conservative take They've been arguing for years with people like us that Joe Rogan isn't a conservative. Now, its so plainly obvious that he is a conservative, that they're legitimately upset that they've wasted their time and Joe made them look like idiots. So now they are voicing their frustrations. I kinda feel bad for them. Kinda.
As soon as a fan starts to attach their ego to an entertainer they like, they'll basically be willing to die on the alter for them. I'm glad some of Rogan's fans are waking up, though.
@@gibememoni you'd be surprised considering there's gay conservatives and conservatives that smoke weed. Yeah they're known to be left wing ideas or whatnot but you can support one leftist or liberal thing and still be a conservative, vice versa as well. Pretty sure it depends on the majority leaning of his beliefs (more and more right wing stuff than left wing or truly centrist) and how strongly he cares about it. But that last part may just be what I think.
@@gibememoni He also went from saying anti-vaxxers were nutty and dangerous to being an anti-vaxxer in a year, as shown by the 2 clips in this video. You think there aren't any right wingers who are pro weed? Rogan smoked weed on a podcast with Elon Musk, but you probably think he's a lefty too.
As somebody who has had anywhere from dog shit to pretty good jobs (in terms of pay) I can tell you, I never worked harder in my life than when I was a teen doing fast food. It was a brutal grind and the 8 hours felt like an eternity. Now I do 12hr shifts all over the place, day, night, etc, but the work is easy. Does it require a shit ton more knowledge yes, but it's far far easier on the body AND the mind. The person serving you at McDonald's, especially if they do it with a smile and are polite, they probably work harder than most people. Even my friends who took the construction route, they started out at the bottom with dogshit pay getting screamed at for 10hrs and lifting mortar up scaffolding nonstop the entire day, now they're all more in the management side and recognize how much easier their jobs are, even if mentally they're a lot harder, the pay is extremely good instead of dog shit, and they tell people what to do, they're actually not even supposed to do shit themselves. There needs to be more fairness in terms of the income for people in those entry level jobs as they're needed almost as much as anyone else. Anyways the point being if you've worked one of those entry level jobs for a significant amount of time, you know what it's like busting your ass to make nothing while you sit back and watch ownership get filthy rich. Everyone has to start somewhere, but the world needs people for every job, especially now. Just because somebody doesn't want to work somewhere else or doesn't have the capacity to doesn't mean they don't deserve to live just as good a quality of life as the person who aspired for more. Right now the difference between their wage vs how hard they work is vast. They deserve to earn a good living wage+ for putting in all that time and sweat. I'm not saying they need to pay them 100k a year, but I don't see why they can't all be paid a living wage when the owners of these establishments are making millions in profit. I bet if they'd actually pay better they'd also get better employees anyways and better employees especially in the long term SAVE you money, even if they're paid more. Less mistakes, less headaches, less bullshit. Believe me ask anyone managing a business how much easier it makes it when people aren't shit, the problem is so many of these places for some reason think they can still get quality people for dog shit pay and need to wake up and realize it's 2022 now, not 1992. Pay people, or close your fucking doors, greedy fuckers.
You both make good points! so thank you 🙏 both for your comments!!! I would only add most types of workers BENEFIT FROM A UNION… United We Bargain, Divided We Beg!! 👏🔥🥊 ☮️❤️🩹🙏
I might make an exception for my work, but that's mostly because I have colleagues that take on too much work and end up in a burnout. Our workplace doesn't even demand that kind of grind though, they just end up overtaxing themselves. We have deadlines, and some colleagues take on too many projects and then stretch themselves thin between all the projects and deadlines. I have several colleagues either scaling down or recovering from burn-out. I do have a very cozy job as a professional engineer. It's fairly creative, hourly pay isn't bad, the work culture is super chill. No one will bat an eye if I stroll into work in the afternoon as long as I work most of my hours at some point. Or even if I randomly take a day off. But there is a lot of opportunity for stress if you let the job get to you. There's always a tight deadline somewhere. And we just don't have enough people. The fact that you can simply scale back like my colleagues did, is proof that it's a very easygoing workplace. But the fact that it's necessary to scale back is very unfortunate.
@@Marco_Onyxheart Thank you 🙏 for making a comment. I’m unclear if your “make an exception for my work” was directed at my statement of support for Unions. If it was directed at my statement, I would just respond by saying 1. I respect others opinions even if they disagree with me*. 2. I support Unions and 99.999% of ALL WORKERS, even if they work in non union positions. Many do! So the 99.99% of WORKERS I SUPPORT & APPRECIATE would certainly INCLUDES ENGINEERS!! 💕🕺💕 Love & Gratitude 🙏 to any engineers who might read this… THANK YOU 🙏 ENGINEERS!! 3. Lastly I would just say that I am just one ☝️ imperfect person who advocates for things to be a little bit fairer and less harmful for workers and their families! And hope/🙏PRAYS🙏 that’s possible… As an example, until a few years ago I was unaware that Unions played a major role in the “creation of the weekend” and other benefits many workers enjoy. Call me corny, but I THINK THAT’S COOL 😎!!! Does that make sense? This is just my opinion. Feel free to agree OR to disagree. * with the rare exceptions of those who troll with the purposely of trying to cause conflict amongst workers trying to work together for the benefit of themselves and all colleagues ORRR anyone literally advocating for more suffering/cruelty, but it’s been my experience that I can have a conversation with vast majority of workers & most NOT ALL people are doing what they think is best!!
Yeah but let’s not forget, our societies and cultures are fucking us hard as well. When a person can sit down and twitch stream, making more money then a person with a university degree for far less effort and almost no one bats an eye... you’ve got big problems. That’s not mentioning that degeneracy is rewarded, I’m not talking “Gay Pride” style like conservative nutters do (though why a persons sexuality matters when we have people starving is beyond me) I’m talking about the kind that promulgates stagnation, corruption and an environment that hampers and disincentives the bulk of people from doing anything. A great many people can encourage and spread wise actions and beliefs that benefit us as a whole, if everyone acts, no matter how draconian a state, they have to listen and fold at least a little bit, and that applies to businesses, they aren’t nebulous vacuums. The sad thing is those that supposedly do encourage action (whatever “wing” you want to stick them into) often really only to it for the money, Hassan “Fuckwit” Piker and almost all the black/redpill youtubers, Hassan owns a multi-million dollar mansion whilst “claiming” to act in the interests of the poor... TLDR, shit will only get worse until we all act in our best interests, which are the interests of the common man, and until we realise that we as a collective have the power to act and shape the places we live in for better and (hopefully not) worse.
Also, "Too good to not be true" is the opposite of how journalism goes. The joke in journalism is, don't investigate a good story because it will ruin it. Most good stories turn out to be no-stories. For Rogan to not first check if the story is true is below bush league.
Fun fact. The US is no 42 of +102 countries on press freedom. Norway, Denmark, Sweden no 1-3. Thigh some Americans has scolded me for saying it as I’m just another lying commie and that America is the best country in the world.
I'm hoping you all paid attention to the Michael sussman trial... He was found not guilty of lying to the FBI about not working for anyone running for office when he turned in the fake steele dossier (it claimed that trump had direct treasonous connections to alfa bank in moscow) .... That said, Robbie Mook, Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, testified that he took the steele dossier to Hillary Clinton and she told him that she knew it was fake that she had paid for it to be fabricated by Christopher steele. She then told him to get someone to turn it into the FBI and then she contacted people at CNN, msnbc, and others demanding they report it all the while knowing they wouldn't verify it.... And she was right. They reported it and didn't verify anything in it.... Scary that things like that happen. If you have access to the transcripts, Mook testified on day two. My point is that our press is... Garbage...
@@luked3996 I think everybody agrees that media has failed the public many times. But we are here talking about something that takes minutes to dispute. I'm talking about very base stories that turn into no-stories because there's "more" to it. This is an obvious too good to be true story. I'm pretty sure media ran with the Trump-Russia story because it was something they could see Trump do. Their bias influenced how they acted. They dropped the ball. Not because of their bias (we all have them), but their blindness to it. We continue to see it. Jimmy Dore did a piece on a completely bogus story in the New York Time titled something like, how Putin controls the minds of black Americans. They ran with it because it supports their beliefs. They cannot believe black Americans would not vote for Hillary on their own volition. The article isn't just bogus, but condescending and racist. The radical centrists are absolutely horrible.
I had only heard of Joe Rogan's podcast for years, and my impression of it was largely negative, since the type of masculinity he was advertising very much did not fit me or appeal to me. His 2-year plunge into straight up conservatism just solidified my view, especially as I went further and further left.
The left wing only exists because the right wing insists on it. The right means orthodox, so the norm according to conservatives is hard conservatism. In my opinion, it is normal to want social democracy, libertarian socialism, or anarcho-syndicalism rather than Neoliberal Capitalism in which free market libertarians create complete and utter tyranny for the commoners they want to rule over.
So you never listened to any of his podcasts? I mean I have and don't like where he has ended up but it sounds like you just knew about him and haven't even watched/listened. Sorry if I am incorrect.
@@somniumisdreaming people need the slightest push to shit on someone they already didn’t like. if people actually watched and listened to what he says, they’d know he doesn’t want people taking his word for gospel. it’s amazing how these things get looked over because he has different ideas than what people want him to.
I wonder what would happen if Joe put everything on hold for one year and just worked in a hospital for like $15 dollars an hour and forced himself to live off of that income. I bet he'd probably come out of that experience a more rounded person.
I first encountered joe rogan as a DMT enthusiast. It was nice to hear someone mainstream talk about it excitedly. Nowadays I think of his show as just The Place Where Douchebags Get Opinions.
first time really knowing about Joe Rogan was when he interviewed like Edward Snowden, or some pop scientist, and I thought he was fine and was just giving smart people a platform. The first time I listened to a full podcast was with Johann Harri for his book Chasing The Scream, about the War on Drugs in American, tracing its history. super interesting and helped me educate a lot of friends, but yeah I was in a frat for three years and there's five or six brothers who just repeat right wing online talking points from anything Joe Rogan says to some tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro
I do keep having to remind myself that he wasn't always 'this', even if I had my bets on him getting here. I'm waaaay too snotty about my media, but dangit... normies!
Rogan isn't responsible for your Frat bro's conservative take. Let me ask you this. Do you believe people have autotomy in the actions they partake in? Unless you believe people are just vapid creatures with no brains to actually think, the people spewing a particular set of ideas should be responsible for their own views. Rogan is not responsible for your frat bro's views on conservatism, your buddies lack of proper research, critical thinking is. This is not even to say Rogan's content is bad. Just like he's had Right Winged people on his show, he's also had extremely progressive guests such as Bernie Sanders. The issue is people just hate the idea of free speech when it does not align with their own way of thinking. Be thankful that platforms like his even exist where open dialogue, exchange of ideas can even exist, because that is the only way a healthy society can function. Free speech is the only way you can discuss, debate and reach newer, or even correct ideas from all sides and all angles. Without it, everything will just devolve to violence. Be thankful we still have that because one day we will not, and let me not remind you, the people who are pushing for anti-free speech laws are ONLY the Radical Leftists who hate the idea of anyone challenging their ideas because it exposes how ignorant they are when actually challenged.
The first time I heard about his podcast was in late 2010. I was an open-mic stand-up comic at the time and a friend recommended the Joe Rogan Experience to me because it was Joe and his comic friends talking about all sorts of stuff, mainly philosophy and talking shop about the LA comedy scene. It was still a very good comedy podcast at that time and a revelation to many an open-mic comic. The first time he had a non-comic on his show that I can remember was Sam Harris in 2012. This was before Sam Harris went all right-wing, but it was still a huge get for him at the time. However, the one podcast that really sticks out in my mind was in 2013 when he had Peter Duesberg, a disgraced doctor who was adamant that HIV/AIDS didn't exist and claimed that the symptoms of AIDS were really the side effects of the hard drugs that gay men in LA/SF liked to use. It caused so much of an uproar at the time that on multiple occasions on later episodes, he defended having that doctor on by claiming that he was "Just Asking Questions". Considering the controversy he had with Spotify a few months back, I am honestly shocked the podcast he did with Peter Duesberg was never brought up. I only occasionally listened to his podcast after that, I only listened if he had someone interesting on like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Kyle Kulinski, David Pakman, orJoey Diaz. The last episode I remember listening to in full was his episode where he interviewed Bernie Sanders in the summer of 2019. Other than the occasional Joey Diaz appearance, I didn't listen to his podcast that much after that, and not at all after he went to Spotify exclusively.
This is spookily close to my experience with JRE. Tried to listen to the latest Duncan Trussle interview the other day, trying to give Joe and them a chance again... and I just couldn't. I said out loud, "How much is Musk paying you?" and shut it off.
Sam Harris was pushing some pretty typical right wing schtick as far back as when he published The End of Faith in 2004. People say Harris "became" rightwing, but I think they just didn't notice until more recently, and it's comfortable to think Harris changed in some fundamental way than to think they might have missed something.
I don’t think Joe Rogan was ever center or center left. He had Gavin Mciness on before his fans turned on him. I think his biggest crime to his fans is turning into another out of touch talking head for the conservatives
A funny thing no one has commented on is Rogan's making fun of prohibiting "unrestricted pig farms." Pig farms are smelly and pollute heavily, so most densely populated places don't allow unrestricted (or possibly any) pig farms. Joe Rogan is loaded financially, so even if he favors unrestricted pig farming in principle, you can damn well believe that he's not going to buy a house next to a pig farm.
Seriously, for most of Australia there wasn’t harsh restrictions during the pandemic. Melbourne bore the brunt of it because they had an outbreak during the original Covid 19 spread. In NSW the lockdowns allowed for takeaway foods and coffees from cafes as well as exercising with other people. The myths about the Australian lockdowns are very weird. As another poster notes, the NSW Govt is right wing and constantly went out of their way not to have lockdowns or mask mandates.
Western Australia had no official lockdowns and here in South Australia we had 2 weeks of lockdown in a year and a half! People like Joe just make shit up against entire nations and peoples then when they get proven to be liars they don't apologise or acknowledge it which means some people in the country will still believe the lie! 🤷♂️🙄
I know I live in WA, and like the entire time I was going to uni, movie, clubs, shopping, gym, friends etc, and there was one or two weeks we had a locksown and a few more 4 or 5 day periods where masks were mandatory around the clock, but truly the media from the right just screaming about the totalitarianism is fucking hilarious
*Huge* Rogan fan here whose boycotted him since the early pandemic. Joe's problems are as follows: 1) He's sharp & street smart, but his almost total lack of a formal education has made it very easy for a group of defunct alt right academics (Gad Saad, Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray, Sam Harris, etc) to take over the show. 2) He has always had a very strong bias towards contrarian, provocative, and sensationalist conspiracy theories over mainstream, mundane, or well established positions. Thus, his view on nutrition consists of jumping from extreme fad to fad (gluten-free, carnivore, keto, caveman, etc.) His view on cosmology consists of alien conspiracy theories, simulation theory, zero point energy, etc. His views of anthropology consist of attributing stereotypical one dimensional generalizations of foreign cultures to a single edgy causative factor. Eg: Brazilians are being controlled by brain fungus, Islam is a religion of violence, etc. 3) He is obsessed with making money and will often purposely engage in unethical business practices to increase profits while having professing sincerity. He will frequently blur the line between advertising and content, exaggerate or invent scientific claims, conceal personal business interests, purposely court toxic fanbases, etc. 4) He's a little racist, sexist, xenophobic, lgbtq-phobic, etc. and it is not tempered by any degree of self-awareness. Joe thinks that because he treats different people well, and thinks well of them, he has no prejudice. Thus his biases manifest unchecked through other means. For example, he treats women quite well, and thinks sexism is stupid. But despite frequently inviting anti-feminists and lamenting wokeness, he has never once invited a feminist to his show. For as many times as she's come up, Anita Sarkeesian has never been on the show. Meanwhile Sargon of Akaad and James Damore were happily invited. This is implicit sexism manifesting through guest selection. Despite spending many episodes criticizing Islam, no Islamic scholars have ever been on the show. And so on. CONCLUSION: All of these problems culminated in the perfect storm when the pandemic hit. At the start he invited Dr. Osterholm because the scientific position was indeed the lesser known provocative anti-mainstream position. More importantly, it hadn't yet cut into Joe's income or personal life. Once the government embraced the very same positions Joe initially championed, and safety precautions began to affect his ability to perform and sell out shows, this money-grubbing ignorant conspiracy monger moved to the land where white man is king (Texas) and began railing against even the most benign interventions (masks, etc.) Last I heard Joe endorsed Larry Elder's California gubernatorial run. A man who ran on a platform that Christianity should be reinteoduced into government and the descendants of slave *owners* should be paid reparations by the federal government as they were literally entitled to have slaves.
@@bluester7177 Lol good luck. In more detail, the claim he's repeated is that a brain parasite called toxoplasmosis gondii is incredibly prevalent in Brazil due to their high meat consumption. This parasite supposedly alters the host's personality making them more reckless. It does this because a more reckless host is more likely to fight and be consumed by a predator, thereby infecting the predator as well. (Eg: An infected mouse will fight a cat rather than run, thereby infecting the cat) Joe proceeds to explain that this may be the cause of the violent and machismo attitude among Brazilian men. They are being influenced by the brain parasite. It's a great theory because it reinforces in the mind of his American audience that we are indeed the "normal" people in a world of zombies and brainwashed people. Whether it is due to brain parasite (South America), low iq (Africa), crazy religion (Middle East), etc.
Your post as a long time Rogan listener is interesting, but with regard to the claim that he was anti-sexist and treats women well, I recently saw a clip of Rogan from several years ago with a comedy club owner who apparently was one of his regular guests over the years. Rogan asked him was it really true that he made aspiring female comedians give him blow jobs to get on stage on open mic night for a short set? The guy said absolutely, Rogan started laughing and asked how many times. The guy said at least 20, and Rogan and whoever his sidekick were laughing like it was the funniest thing he had ever heard. Note - I just did a search. The guest was Joey Diaz and the show was from 2011.
@@Don-md6wn I remember the episode you're talking about. That's kinda my point though. Joe would never do something so foul himself, but also feels comfortable laughing about someone else's story from many years ago. Incidentally, I think your comment was blocked by yt's filters as I'm not seeing it any more.
I wonder is slipping into conservatism just a natural part of aging as a member of the dominant group. It seems like unless you’re directly affected by society’s shortcomings it’s easy to just be comfortable. Like ik a lot of cool white ppl but i wonder if one day when we’re all 45 with kids, if they will still be concerned about other groups of ppl or just protecting their portfolios? Like it’s easy to be down for the cause when everybody’s in college together working fast food jobs, but when schools over and someone goes on to a 7 figure salary, are they gonna change their tune on the 1%. Seeing Joe rogan become more conservative feels like that.
I am misquoting it but there is a saying that goes something like “everyone with a brain is a socialist in their twenties, liberal in their thirties and fourties and conservative over 50”.
As an Australian that shit was so weird new south wales is controlled by Christan conservatives and had the weakest response to the pandemic and the federal government didn't want to do anything about the pandemic
Australia has handled the pandemic way better than America! The US just reached the 1 million deaths mark while Australia is around 2 thousand deaths! So many Americans I speak to online seem to think we are all under lockdown by evil leftists who have imprisoned us and have us being watched 24/7 by the armed forces! It's bizarre how out of touch they are? I live in Adelaide which has only had two weeks of lockdown throughout the whole pandemic and it's a city that recently came 5th in the list of the worlds most livable cities, Melbourne and Sydney and Brisbane we're all in the top 15 cities too while America didn't have a single city in the top 20! I've been to America twice and and spent all up 6 months there and I love the country and the people but Americans have this delusional belief that they are miles above every country on earth in terms of life quality? It's from years of being fed "American Exceptionalism" as a philosophy! I loved parts of America especially New York and New England but there is no way I could leave Adelaide for the states. You can tell an Americans lack of knowledge about Australia when they call the Liberal Party left wing and call Labor right wing. Everyone who knows anything about Australian politics knows the Liberal Party are right wing conservatives and they're name is a misnomer from long ago that was never rectified! Our current PM Scott Morrison is a grifting evangelical who would be more suited to Florida or Texas than a Australia! 🇦🇺🇺🇲
@@pavlovsdogman I'm from Victoria so it was not as good for me with the super long lock downs but I think the government did the right thing doing them but you're totally right with how delusional they are.
I was a huge Rogan fan until 2020, I was introduced by the dmt doc because I was a huge hippie and he was reflecting a lot of my views at the time, and he would interview scientists and have conversations with interesting people. A ton of amazing interviews are still worth watching. When I couldnt even talk in joe rogan fan forums anywhere without getting flamed by psycho manosphere chuds I left the fandom entirely. to this day I like watching him sometimes talk to comedians or something but it was all the manosphere shit that totally turned me off. At first I liked watching his interviews that challenged my views and got me thinking of rebuttles, but eventually it got boring.
Honestly Rogan has completely butchered the psychedelic movement where now people only look at indigenous people as if our whole entire existence and world view is around psychedelics and violence.
I've been a fan of JRE for a decade now. I'm still a fan but also put off by his out-of-touch views. Wealth and fame have definitely affected him for the worst, but I still enjoy his show in spite of his change.
I used to like Joe Rogan- specifically for hearing his conversations with celebrities and prolific intellectuals. He provided a very relaxed environment that allowed for a very fluid and natural conversation. It was cool to see famous and high performing people just talk like a normal person. Why he devolved his content into all of this BS is beyond me… shame shame
Problem with his loose conversational style is when he gets in over his head, he often can't push back on bullshit because he doesn't recognize it. That's generally not so bad when he's interviewing a fellow stand-up, but when he wades into politics, medicine, etc., he's totally out of his element, and some really crazy shit gets platformed to millions of listeners.
I used to like him too and followed him mainly to hear all the talk of Ayahuasca and other psychedelics. Then he devolved into….this. And his fanboys with him.
yeah it was fun listening to Neil Tyson but now it's mostly just whiny people bitching and moaning about people trying to make the country a better place to live
"A certain amount of entitlement they didn't used to have" Yeah, Joe. An amount of entitlement directly tied to increases in productivity and executive pay. It's a 1 to 1 correlation, *Rogan* you absolute flatsteak of a man.
The further back he alludes to, until b4 wwi, the more government assistance white men/white families recieve in the US. This is Joe's fabled time where people didn't feel entitled to government handouts.
I started as a fan of Joe Rogan all the way back in the 90's during his run on News Radio... always thought he was an interesting guy and really liked his early podcasts. I'm pretty disappointed by the direction he's taken.
This guy is talking nonsense. Joe Rogan has the biggest podcast in the world and is actually pretty moderate. Bill Maher hasn’t changed his views the left has just gone so far left that they make bill Maher look like a right winger just for not sharing their opinions. And Elon musk does get a ton of hit pieces because he disagrees with the extreme left and wants free speech. Not hard to believe he switched to the right when he’s gotten nothing but hate from the left. That’s cause the left hates successful African Americans. Especially when they try to make better electric cars and are for free speech.
On some ultra conservative Tumblr blog I first saw post from year ago about Elon Musk where they literally call him megachurch pastor for atheists and then recent post exactly year after where he is literally depicted as world savior that could end world hunger but supposedly UN didn't let him because he wanted some transparency from them.
I was on the tube the other day and there was a girl wearing a Joe rogan t shirt, swigging wine out of a bottle and reading some philosophy book. She started proselytising to the people opposite about how amazing her book was. Bless her I think she wasn't very well
Joe was very influential during the late 90s/early 2000s legalise weed push. I remember watching a whole bunch of documentaries where he spoke about why weed should be legalised.
@@dustinsindledecker154 I'm pretty sure that the psychedelic movement is where he got the initial audience for the podcast, I remember a bunch of weed/shroom relayed content from the pre-JRE podcast days.
Joe Rogan's podcast was awesome. First podcast I ever listened to, and I absolutely loved it. I watched almost every episode for probably 5 years, but stopped watching 2 years ago. I stopped watching after he complained that LA spent 300 million on the homeless per year, but there were still homeless! Joe had just signed a spotify contract for hundreds of millions of dollars, so he made more in one day signing that contract than they spend on something ike 50,000 homeless people. I can't remember how many homeless, but I calculated they spend 3k a year on each homeless person. How are they still homeless Joe!?!? You probably can't house a horse for 3k a year anywhere in the country, especially in LA. I also calculated that 300 million is like .01% of LA's GDP. So if they decided to spend per dollar LA could increase that to 12k or 15k or 18k per year, build apartments for the homeless, they could house them and get them case workers. Joe Rogan is out there eating $300 elk steaks, drinking fine whiskey, etc. just like every other ridiculously rich person in that extremely wealthy city. Yet he's not willing to pay .01% more for all of his expensive stuff. He complains about the homeless, he's scared of them, he wants them gone, but he's not willing to pay .01% more to house them. He has the power, he has the megaphone, he could have pushed for an actual solution to the problem. LA's GDP is in the trillions, and they are spending a paltry 300 million on the homeless. Yet Joe talked about homeless people endlessly, clearly distressed by a problem that could easily be solved, but his only solution was to moralize and preach about personal responsibility. Joe Rogan acted like 300 million is a ton of money. Instead of actually having an expert on to talk about the situation and what would be best for the homeless, Joe Rogan opts to complain about it endlessly and assert that it was too much. Acting like that's a huge amount of money to spend on tens of thousands of people in a city where he and others live in giant mansions. Before he started on this right-wing Chud arc, he was chill and open and cool. I still want to like him, but he dismisses all systemic and government solutions to problems offhand. He has what he needs, he has a big chunk of cash, he started hanging out with extremely wealthy and conservative people, and now he acts as a mouthpiece in the pipeline that draws people further to the right. He has almost no experts on, does not research or fact check anything, and when you combine that with an inclination towards right wing politics, that means he became a large purveyor of right wing outrage porm, he takes fake stories drafted up in billionaire-run conservative think tanks and spreads them to his audience. He went from "chimpanzees can bite your finger off, isn't that crazy?"😲 to "the woke left said this thing on Twitter, isn't it crazy?"😱 Okay sorry for the long comment. Joe Rogan and Bill Maher have been driving me nuts. Our country is in serious trouble right now but instead of talking about them, they're talking about .2% of Gen Z identifying as trans as if the problem we should all be focusing on. They're talking about what "woke" people say on Twitter while millenials and Gen Z are the first generations to earn less than their parents. Young people have more education, went $50k in debt for it, are struggling just to pay rent even in what used to be white collar jobs that could easily get you a house 20 years ago. Joe is one of the many older people who refuse to acknowledge anything about how much worse the economy is for us than it was for them. Then we're called lazy and entitled for pointing that out. For wanting the government to do something about it. They never talk about corporations anymore. The source of all evil in the world is the "woke" left. They have been driven crazed and delusional by the crazy tweets the right is always using as a source for their sociological narratives, and personally I think a lot of tweets were also crafted by right-wing think tanks to make the left look bad. Or come from teenagers, as if teenagers having "extreme" political views is something new. If Joe Rogan had twitter as a teenager I'm sure he would be obnoxious too. I guess Joe Rogan forgot what he was like 10, 20 years ago when he was obsessed with the conspiracies of rich people who own everything, back before he was corrupted by the massive amounts of money and fame and power. Alex probably took him to Bohemian Grove, he did the ceremony in front of Moloch, and now he's just another extremely rich guy bending the world and his viewers to his will. He seems absolutely miserable, his sense of humor is gone, his openness to other people's experiences is gone, he's obsessed with talking about the homeless, and trans people, and woke people. All fear mongering. All right out of the think tank playbook. Like a lot of people he got really rich, and now he wants more for himself and less for everybody else. But he doesn't want to say that, it would make you sound like a dick, so instead he's on the right because the "woke" people pushed him too far. He read Twitter comments and they completely changed his political alignment. I hold my political views because I view them to be the most moral and just, the best way to strengthen our country, to create love and decency. If left-wingers started calling me a dumb poo poo head on Twitter I would still vote for them. If Republicans praised me daily for how awesome and strong I am, if they called me a free thinker and a genius, if they lined up to give me back massages, I would still vote and believe in leftist policies. All this PC, cancel culture, woke narrative, it's all just an excuse to vote out of pure greed. More for me, less for everybody else. I got mine Jack, don't even think about taxing me .01% to house the people I'm constantly complaining about to do something good for people who desperately need help. Jeez, it's late, this comment just kept going. If you made it to the end, you get an elk-steak sticker 🥩
@@str8gamingfacts I'm glad it's appreciated, when I wrote it I was definitely self conscious that I'd come across as a lunatic. Or like I'm grandstanding. But I found it to be very cathartic to write and read others' comments. We've all been increasingly frustrated watching Joe morph into a right wing fake-news driven outrage machine.
I enjoyed how they talked about people deserve no UBI without first learning what they deem marketable skills... when Joe's job is to do zero research, regurgitate right wing boomer memes, and get high
Once he made that deal with Spotify he forgot the reality of how hard it is for the average person. He used to talk about it and identify with it. But when he sounds more like Kim Kardashian than himself, he's lost the plot.
You have zero idea about what you are talking about lol he was an average person that worked to get to his position now while you couch pigs still sit and cry about how hard your life is lol gtfoh
joe: "it's got to be real, it's too good not to be" this is a man that people trust for information... let that shit sink in. and then think about all his other bigoted and harmful rhetoric...
Shaun has a great video where he points out that he does get angry doing the research, but when it comes to making the video he's reading a script. The tone is a choice, though, I know I'd choose to come off a lot angrier
I had watched Joe Rogan's podcast off and on for a couple years and I had a generally positive opinion of it at that point. I avoided the comedian and MMA videos (except Bill Burr, cause Bill Burr is hilarious) and mostly watched the science, science-adjacent, conspiracy-theory (watching Neil deGrasse Tyson school him on his stupid moon-landing hoax theory was hilarious), and related stuff. I stopped when the Jordan Peterson/Brett Weinstein 'moment' happened because it felt like he was starting to slide pretty hard toward the right even then. If his podcast was still what it was like in 2012 I'd still be listening cause it was just fun goofy stuff.
In certain corners of the net, there seemed to be active discussion among the alt-right about how to court him/ get lefties mad at him so he'd slide right. They certainly succeeded :( ☹
As a kid I was always into theatrical and creative visual media whether it be film theater or even stand up comedy. I was in drama classes in my middle school and like everyone always told me I should be a comedian, so I just naturally watched a bunch of comedians, and I kinda fell down the toxic rabbit hole of the "bro" like comedians late in highschool. I'm talking all of the podcasts, Bill Burr, Tom Segura, Bobby Lee, Joey Diaz, so many more I can't even remember most of them. They all went on Rogan's podcast and they all kinda viewed him to be the main figure that kind of brought everyone together. All the comedians would talk about "oh you've gotta hang out with Joe Rogan, you gotta see him dude." And when I followed his podcast I got introduced to like libertarianism and the likes of Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin. I've always been a socially progressive person, my introduction to what politics was was seeing Barack Obama become elected and my parents were celebrating because he was the first black president elected in us history, and then gay marriage became legalized in 2015 in his last term, I had a gay best friend growing up and I myself always had questions about my gender and sexuality. So being socially conservative never really was an option for me, I didn't grow up religious. However the sinister thing with Rogan is that, since I liked comedians I loved George Carlin and the whole edgy atheist comedians, and Rogan sort of dipped into that. I got into him during the whole Anti SJW craze and like all of these comedians began complaining about cancel culture and metoo and I was kinda forming my opinions around them for a while. Never quite fully became a Republican, but I was definitely a centrist who was spoon fed a both sides narrative. I liked Bernie Sanders but after his loss in 2016, and me being a dumb 16 year old, I became resentful of the Democratic party and began falling deeper into the lie that libertarians cared about social equality they just didn't like big government or cancel culture. Rogan made their talking points more digestible because he was funny. He wasn't some old bible thumper who threw their hands in the air saying "think of the children" he was a charismatic dude who smoked weed and was friends with almost every comedian I followed, who invited really smart people on his show. I had some life changing events though that made me more sensitive about topics that these comedians often joked about. (Sexual Assault, Transgender and Non-binary People, Disabled People) When I saw that these topics affected me personally I began extending that sympathy towards black and brown people. It was then I became introduced to Breadtube, with creators like Contrapoints and Kat Blaque and Hasan Piker. I also began socializing with more queer people who shit talked Joe Rogan all the time and I began to look back at the content he made and realized how homophobic and transphobic he was. I followed him for years and like while back then when I identified as straight and cis, now as a non-binary pansexual I realized that alot of his "jokes" were just ways for him to spread a hateful message. I fully stopped fucking with Rogan and Peterson after kinda realizing how hateful they really were when it came to trans people, and also seeing how they freely associated white supremacists. I think the main appeal to Rogan has always been his personality and his humor, he's not really that funny but his podcasts often go on these long tangents that are intriguing to watch, it's during these tangents however is when the shitty sexism and transphobia gets slipped in. Now looking at the situation it's kinda creepy how so many comedians in the west coast suck up to him, he regularly visits the comedy club there and like I think he may or may not have a strangle hold on the comedy scene there, and it's also astounding how many of his past friends have gotten hit with a sexual harassment scandal yet he remains unscathed. Either way I'm glad my Rogan phase has ended, and if you know someone who's in their Rogan phase I think the best way to shake them out of it is not to make fun of Rogan himself but to pick a part at the people who visit his show, and then criticize Rogan for even allowing people onto his show. Rogan has a persona of being a gullible figure that leads many of his fans to defend him, saying he's just an everyman when he's literally a millionaire.
You sound like you've experienced a pretty advanced political spectrum in your time as a teenager and it's nice to see that you followed your conscience when presented with a challenge to your views. This doesn't mean to avoid challenges to your views, like in debate. What I mean is, keep challenging your views, don't be afraid of losing debates with people who know things that you don't because if you stay honest like that, sooner or later every debate for you ends with you talking over their head and them trolling just to save face -- not that winning debates online matters or even feels good, not to me anyway. When it's revealed that the person who is arguing with me is full of it, I feel aggravated that they wasted my time in hope that they'll get a free lesson while being an jerk to a "Dem". Some of this might sound familiar to you experience already. Good luck! You sound like a reasonable young adult, and we need more reasonable adults in America.
What is your take on Bill Burr? I came across him relatively recently and liked some of what I saw, and yikesed at other parts. Also saw an article where he gave a cringe take on Gina Carano. He was entertaining in Breaking Bad. Don't really know anything else about him. The rest was a nice read and I'm glad that you were always socially progressive while also evolving from a more nuanced perspective. I was not so fortunate. I was very conservative until my medical problems started. It took my entire life, and myself, completely falling apart to build back up as a progressive. I'd never wish that on anyone.
Liar!! Bobby Lee has never been on the jre podcast, nor have toe rogan been on Bobby's. Honestly, calling the effeminate, quirky Bobby Lee one of the quintessential "bro-comedians" is so out of touch, even if that one specifically might be a matter of opinion. Bert Kreisher? Sure.. Brenda schaub? Absolutely (even if calling him a "comedian" is stretch)..
@@mechanomics2649 honestly I was in denial about Bill Burr for a while bc I do think unlike Joe Rogan, that Bill Burr is actually like really funny. Rogan is a funny guy w a podcast but you're mostly laughing at him because of his bumbling persona, but like Burr is legit a funny comedian, when he's not joking about how much he hates women like in his older routines. That being said, Burr fans are outright one of the most racist and sexist Fanbases I was a part of, like legit the shit they say about his wife, who's a black woman, on a weekly basis is disgusting. Rogan has some fascists who follow him, but Burr fans are legit really bad I might even say worse. Rogan's platform touches more people than Burr's but I would argue the worst Burr fan is worse than the worst Rogan fan, and is more common. I personally don't believe that Burr himself is actually a fascist, he actually seems like a much more decent person than Rogan, because Burr time and time again tells everyone he's an idiot and not to listen to him while Rogan tries to come off as an intellectual. There's a humbleness to him and a self awareness that kind of puts you at ease and assures you he isn't some alt right hate monster. His friend Patrice Oneal, a comedian who past away like years ago, wasn't exactly the most progressive person, in fact he's said much worse shit than Bill Burr AND Rogan, but Bill hosted an event for him to raise money for his mom, and I think that's showing that he has a heart who cares about other people. I even understand that while he does drag women through alot he brings up good points about the unfairness of divorces when it comes to custody battles, and he does have a general resentment towards big business and is somewhat class conscious. I think he's unfiltered and messy and even stubborn but at the end of the day I think he genuinely cares about people and I've seen him grow in a somewhat messy way. I also think however that people lose the nuance that he admits himself that he's a moron trying to understand this stuff. Despite the fact that one of his running gags is to tell his audience "don't listen to me I don't read", there are many "men's rights activist" types who treat his jokes like gospel. I also think that someone who has made jokes in the past about black people being genetically better at sports than white men, trans women being "men beating women with their severed dicks", liberal bloggers who want to "cancel" someone, secret societies that are controlling the population, and the numerous genocide jokes, that he invites white supremacists. Despite his underwhelming condemnations of these groups, his content attracts these people. Even in his newest special he made a joke about how Covid killed only the weak, how it didn't kill enough, and how Kyle Rittenhouse might be rejected by the klan bc of his "pouty lips." So like I think that Burr is probably a decent guy who is really ignorant, but I think his ignorance ultimately outdoes whatever he is like in his personal life. This is coming from someone who's watched every special and followed his podcast for years and even till this day looks back on jokes he's done and still laughs. Honestly though most people from that East Coast comedy scene were really bad. Like the west coast has Rogan and his weird PCP/Uber Fitness cult thing, but the east coast had the Opie and Anthony show and that shit was way worse than Rogan's podcast. Like literally they called Muslims all kinds of awful slurs and they openly said homophobic slurs, the host Anthony Cumia was fired because he took photos of a black woman without her permission, and when she confronted him about it he shared it on Twitter calling her multiple racist and sexist slurs. Anthony Cumia is now a good friend of Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes. The comedy scene that created Bill Burr, Jim Norton, Louis CK, Patrice Oneal Howard Stern, like that shit was vile. It was a boys club and the leaders were racist incels, legit they were the original incels. So like I think it's important to understand that as well, and see how even in comedy, this thing that so many liberals and free speech warriors try to convey as this completely harmless thing, has been dominated by white supremacists and incels.
The thing no one is mentioning is... as with most humans in general, they have opinions you agree with and disagree with. Joe is no different. Despite a lot of opinions I don't agree with him as well as some of his takes, I still respect areas of his own expertise such as MMA fighting (he knows what he's talking about with BJJ), and comedy. There are other takes he has that are not radical at all, but they don't make a good news headline which is why no one ever talks about them. The rest are his takes that are more wacky and out there, which is what the media puts on blast to discredit him. Unfortunately, people will throw out the baby with the bathwater. Just because you don't agree with someone on a point, or even multiple points, it doesn't make other points any less true. This is why I hate the idea of labels. When you've labeled someone a certain way, you've already begun to censorship ALL ideas, even the good ones, out of your own view. This is quite dangerous as it is actually what creates ignorance.
The first time I ever heard of Joe Rogan was when some late night host said "he was to men what Paltrow was to women." Then I recently found out he was the Fear Factor dude, so I did know him before.
Only ever heard of Joe Rogan from Leftists roasting him, so my view of him wasn't very good to begin with. Thought he was a useful idiot for the right. And yeah, literally my best friend for ten+ years got his brain melted by a combo of Joe Rogan + Jordan Peterson. Last I heard he's an angry incel who goes on endless rants about women not wanting him (he used to be very popular with the ladies back when he was more of a Sensitive Artist type, so lol). Idk about anything further, he threw me out of his life for allegedly being a "feminazi" who wanted to "make him trans" after I sent him an anti-JP video that he never actually watched. It was about how JP radicalizes people and they end up behaving how my friend did. Mighta learned something, but he just got mad over the video title alone and went on a massive rant that was pretty homophobic, misogynistic and ableist towards me (I'm an autistic AFAB nb person who's into women). Oh well! I'm disappointed because I genuinely believed he was better than that, but according to my psychologist he was actually p verbally abusive towards me and was gaslighting me, so good riddance. I'm actually super happy with my life rn, seeing an awesome woman and have a huge LGBT friend group. Wonder how things turned out for him, lol.
Rogan is fine with "struggling families" receiving UBI. But not "every person." You know what he means right? Like a lot of conservatives, he's actually heavily biased against single people.
I really enjoyed his content back in the day when he would bring on people to talk about spirituality, UFO's, ghosts and lost civilisations. Was just a chill environment where people speculated about the weirder aspects of our world. Sad that he's dropped all that in favour of chasing the right wing grift dollars.
Yeah but these people are the easiest people to grifter on though, you can be the dumbest fucker on earth and can make alot of money off of right wingers.
I also love how the people who say "well get through this" are not the people dying of lack of healthcare and getting booted out of their homes by economic downturns in the meantime. Sure its easy to say that when you wont be the one who dies or are severely hamstrung by the negative effects of any of it.
I first encountered Joe Rogan in my Tulsi fase, when Tulsi Gabbard destroyed Kamala Harris in the primaries. I actually immediately didn't like him and he always seemed like the general conservative "alfa male" to me.
I first found Rogan when he did that podcast with Sargon. It kind of surprises me to hear that just now people are putting together where his sympathies can go
First came across Rogan on that old show Newsradio with the great snl comic Phil Hartman. Then saw him some years later doing a standup bit critical of reality tv and making a joke about rupert murdoch.
"if the government don't ban these gays and lesbians from my screen because it makes *me* uncomfortable there'll be riots!" "How dare you feel entitled to *live* and be paid fairly like a fucking spoiled brat???"
It's really really weird watching one of those super early covid interviews with Joe Rogan and... a real doctor. And then looking at what he's done in the past year. His interview was really good and he was able to TALK and give real advice and Joe Rogan shut up. 1. Honestly I was never really aware of him until he started to go crazy in COVID. HOWEVER, he is from the same working class type background as my family (construction) and if you recall that time when someone said they don't need construction regulation he went nuts and said that was the ridiculous, he worked in that, he knows how many corners are cut, they absolutely need it. I think that's a pretty great take and it tells me he really was a working class guy and not a pretend one like libertarians are. 2. The same people who had their brain melted are also JBP fans too
My first exposure to Rogan was his podcast with Leah Remini which I found while taking a dive into Scientology. I didn’t find him to be a particularly compelling interviewer so I just forgot about him until he started getting massive coverage for being awful.
That's my main issue with Rogan. He doesn't prepare. He can have a guest saying the stupidest things and Rogan goes: "Hm, interesting. I didn't know that." Of course you didn't, you bonehead. Nobody does because it's true. That leads to another issue. Many of his guests, as well as Roagan himself, despise "postmodernism." Rogan is the very expression of postmodernism. At least of eclecticism or "junk postmodernism," as identified by Lyotard. Eclecticism is the idea that there are no facts. Only opinions. Knowledge is a matter for TV games. Anything goes. Money--popularity--is the only yardstick. I just find it all embarrassing.
I’m an old Rogan head. I started listening in 2012, only a few years into the podcast. From 2009-2011 I was watching Alex Jones, before it was obvious he was a Right Winger, so when Joe Rogan appeared on his show and in his latest doc at the time I though Joe’s conspiracy takes were more sane and he used to have a very spiritual-centric show adjacent to his comedy/standup friends. Duncan Trussell and Graham Hancock were my two favorites, and I still listen to Duncan’s show to this day, but not Joe and definitely not Alex. Like you said, Joe Rogan (along with Russel Brand and others) made a more Right Wing shift after 2020, but as a long time fan I can say Joe started changing in 2015 once he started having more and more Right Wing guests and the 2016 election happened. For me, the conspiracy rabbit hole I fell into had me questioning everything (what I thought Joe’s SciFi show would be like) and I became distrustful of ALL politics, yet it wasn’t enough for me to ignore the rise of reactionaries during the Trump era. Looking back, I’m surprised Joe didn’t immediately call out all Trump’s bullshit since he wasn’t afraid to do the same for Bush Clinton and even Obama. My only guess was since so many were he wanted to avoid being like everyone else, BUT calling shit out for what it is used to be HIS thing. Not wanting to talk about Trump because everyone else was to me was a misstep for him. Joe never really held allegiance to a party, always thought outside of the box, entertained some crazy conspiracies, but now he feels like an empty shell for whoever is his guest that week. It’s been a running gag since 2016/2017 that Joe’s opinions change with his guest and rarely gives pushback to any of them, unless it’s Eddie Bravo 😂
I listened to Joe Rogan until the beginning of last year. It was definitely the repetition that I couldn't take anymore. Dude was just spending half of every episode bitching about the pandemic, no matter who the guest was. Now I look like an asshole because I used to defend him as not as conservative as everyone said. RIP.
That compilation made me so sad. I remember listening to him when I had found out I had cancer and I didn’t have health insurance. This was a month after I got laid off of my job and broke up with my girlfriend. This dude pulled me through a very rough time. I miss him when he was a nice guy. Nowadays I can barely listen to leftists react to him. This was a great video by the way. I love your takes man
I first started listening to Joe back in 2012 because I was actually searching for old Attack of the Show clips on YT. I found instead a podcast called Pointless with Kevin Pereira where he was interviewing 2 of the AOTS co hosts. This got me into podcasts and Pointless was done by Deathsquad TV, which also ran JRE at the time. I had a Positive view of Joe especially back then, since he was also a public figure that was into psychedelics and his podcast was fun to watch while high.
When I hear about Australia being talked about by these weirdos, it's always nonsense. We do have lots of issues here but the federal police aren't black bagging my wife's capsicum (bell pepper) plant or rosemary bush. Complete rubbish.
You'd think he would verify the story re: Australia before broadcasting it. I'm starting to think he didn't graduate from an accredited journalism school.
Rogan used to be super.interesting to me and inspired me to start my own podcast where we get high and talk about shit. His Doug Stamet episode also.convinced me to delve into psychedelics.
Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller, had a Radio show in 2006-2007.. he brought on Joe Rogan and Phil Plait, to 'debate' the moon landing hoaxes that Joe Rogan believed. I had known of him being the guy who hosted a show called Fear Factor, but this was the first time I had ever heard Joe Rogan and he was some conspiracy theorist, whom I immediately had a negative view towards (for being into all sorts of conspiracy theories). I had no idea he had a podcast until 2013? When he came out hard against Fallon Fox the Transgender Woman who was in MMA.. and view of him as a hateful Transphobe and Conspiracy Theorist.. made it very hard to see why so many people kept trying to defend him.. or why anyone was surprised by his vaccine positions or why he had so many right wingers on and so few left wing people on.
^ this. in what fucking world is joe ever been left wing? he's always been a right wing faux populist, and the truth of it was abundantly revealed by the way he's gone since the spotify deal and his hard shift towards right wing economic beliefs.
I didn't know Joe Rogan was progressive before the pandemic. I always saw him as some centrist and reactionary. Did I have the wrong impression about him? Because I was not a fan and he mostly annoyed me, overall.
I started watching Rogan in 2016-2017 and it was great. 2019 his Bernie interview was great. But the last 2 years...the dude shaved brain cells from covid
You know, some people don't really care about whether a given issue is "left" or "right". Some people just have feelings and/or beliefs about various issues, and they don't care that much about politics. You're just so damn concerned with political alignment, and you keep claiming that listeners are turning against podcast personalities just because they take position A or position B, or because they've got enough integrity to change their minds and not try to hide it. People with alot of listeners gain and lose handfuls of listeners, all the time. That's not news. You have a talent for saying just about NOTHING of substance for 40 minutes at a time. Gawd... you don't even explain your opinions. You just pass shallow partisan judgment as though you're the arbiter of good & bad, and you go on, and on, and on... The titles of your videos seemed interesting. I guess I'm the sucker for taking you seriously.
He's still rich. He's still popular. He's still got a podcast with millions of subscribers. I don't see this downfall you speak of. To each his own. I find him very entertaining and his guests have very interesting points of view. He's had an equal number of "left and Right" folks on there. Some very good info has come from that podcast. I don't see this deluge of "conservative" talk...what I see are many "conservative" guests who actually make some sense if you take the time to listen. The name of a person doesn't always mean they will be who you think they are. Many of these people are political actors. On JRE, they seem to bring themselves, not their personas, and the conversations are quite interesting. I'm an avid listener. I don't always agree with him or his guests, but within a 3hr conversation there's always something to learn or agree with. As a black man, I think he's a bit tone deaf when it comes to black issues, but I still watch because he does have some great conversations. If I really can't stand the subject, I just skip ahead. All in all, dude's not that bad.
Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Bill Maher - just totally embarrassing divorced dad boomer energy radiates from all these dudes 😂
I can fix him
Toes divorced?
As in divorced from reality?
Rogan is a victim of his subreddit being manipulated by Bobby Lee
The boomer virus is very deadly.
I once heard someone describe Rogan as "so open minded, his brain fell out", and I think that's the best assessment of Rogan that I've heard thus far
I've also heard "Joe Rogan is Goop for men" and that rang pretty true as well.
I am fucking living for that rightfully earned assessment.
I think I heard it from Vaush and/or Hasan.
Wait when did Rogan get a brain.
No. He does have a rigid mindset on some things. The rest is his brain falling out, leaving just the rotten crap inside.
17:00 When poor people get UBI, I keep hearing about how they're entitled and don't deserve it because they'll waste it on iPhones. But when CEOs fire 1,000 employees and give themselves a $200M bonuses on top of their $40M salary, I never hear anyone say "they don't need $200M because they'll waste it on a private jet and a third yacht."
It usually seems to be more along the lines of "the CEO deserves it, because he generated profits for the corporation that are 15x that amount." They seem to forget all of the other people who work for the corporation who collectively have done much, much more to produce those profits, and rarely get to share in them because "they've already been paid through their salary," which sees little to no increase year on year. The people downstream may even have reduced salaries, or be 'downsized,' -in- -pursuit- -of- -ever- -greater- -profits- as a reward for their efforts.
The rich man given $200m to waste on a plane is touted as good for the economy. A poor person given $100 for food is classed as a scrounger. Strange old world isn't it?
@@yadabub And they always make excuses for why the REAL workers aren’t paid enough or the rich person uses tax loopholes for example.
What is it with the hatred of wanting a decent life for everyone? What makes them think helping someone up lowers them? Raising others up raises society as a whole
@@lifeinthevoid1595 Capitalism is a dog-eat-dog world.
Helping others lowers your profits so it's bad.
Capitalism is so engrained in people's brains they cannot imagine a system not built upon it.
My gf's brother sometimes short-circuits when I explain to him that landlords are not needed.
"And how will landlords earn money if nobody pays for rent?"
Me: "By getting a real job like the rest of us? Also nobody gets "paid" anything in communism. To each according to their needs, from each according to their abilities"
"But how would a landlord pay to get your windows repaired if you don't pay rent?"
Incapable of imagining a world that isn't capitalism
"It happened to this guy I know" Joe is now the epitome of "It happened to a friend of a friend of mine"
"I knew this guy, who knew this guy, who knew this guy, who knew this guy's cousin..."
"My girlfriend goes to another school"
"I know a guy who said it happened to a guy they know, so that's enough for me to spread that on my very large social media platform as a fact"
happened to my buddy eric once
@@marykateandnoashley Shit, you know Eric? He's a solid dude, I believe it then
As an old bloke surrounded by guys my age who are going nuts for all these idiots (Shapiro, Crowder, Rogan, Musk...), I must say that it fills my heart with joy and hope to see so many young people not swallowing the shit they peddle.
Old blokes for Shapiro? His target is young kids right?
You should definitely check out Matt Binder's appearance on Tim Pool's show the other day. He gave a good account of himself, and Tim didn't come out of it looking too smart. In fact, Matt's live stream a couple of days later, attracted loads of Tim Pool subscribers, but not to troll or abuse him, instead they seemed to be saying that they were put off by Tim's performance and had subscribed to Matt's channel, so I think you're right and we've been underestimating this generation's resistance to being bullsh!tted
@@jasonkillbourn I was just watching it! First saw clips on Sam Seder's The Majority Report and couldn't help myself. Also a big fan of Matt Lech's (big hero of mine) Left Reckoning, Rebecca Watson, Some More News (satire at it's best, the one about Benjamin Shapiro is a masterpiece), Hbomberguy... There are quite a few of young promises. Thanks anyway and power to the people!
@@MaestroAlvis You'd be surprised.
@@MaestroAlvis Conservative teenagers at best, like someone in my age range, 15 to 18 years old (I'm 17, will be 18 in 2 months)
However I do feel like there's that appeal to older folks too in his content too, but if Shabibo's badly paid (probably) Gen-Z editor is enough of an example then yes, they're REALLY trying to pull in those teens.
Dunno if it's working though.
On the jobs thing... People DO want to work, just not at jobs that crush their soul, where they are exploited mercilessly and where the work they do does not cover the financial needs they have nor allows any time to pursue the pure joy of being alive.
Absolutely, this myth that people don't want to work and just want to "leech" really grinds my gears.
Not trying to be antagonistic, but this is almost word-for--word what the OP said in the video about UBI. ^.^
Just pointing out an observation, haha...
And it baffles me why conservatives like to call us “lazy”. Like, excuse me? I’m a working class person, and as workers, we don’t have the luxury of being lazy.
Yeah weird that ey
It’s funny hearing Rogan say how much everyone else in the world has changed since 2019 while being completely oblivious to even the possibility that it’s the other way around.
That's my Dad.
Riight? I hear the constant drumbeat of "the radical left" this and "the woke mob" that, and I ask myself if my own political agenda has changed over the last forty years. I realize that it has not. It's definitely the right wing that has become radicalized.
@@brentwalker3300 you know that’s not true. The Democratic Party, including the current Vice President, literally bailed out terrorists in 2020 and allowed terrorist communists to take over parts of the country for weeks and in cases months on end. The left has gone insane since 2016
@@connormcquaid7462 Which pieces of legislation by the Democrats do you consider "radical"? The liberal political agenda is the same as it was when I first voted. I'd say that overturning settled Constitutional law is about as radical as it gets. Thanks GOP.
@@connormcquaid7462 What "radical rhetoric"? I've been following politics very closely over the past six years and have heard nothing radical from Democrats. Or is it that you just love using terms like "radical left", "woke", "cancel culture", "marxist", etc., without knowing what they mean?
Also I love how a guy that "works" 3 hours a week telling boomer jokes wants to lecture the public about labor
Well he worked construction for a couple weeks so he knows what it takes /s.
I think he actually works a lot considering he has multiple jobs. But still...
@@karimshebeika8010 Multiple jobs like doing UfC once every couple months or standup while out partying in the weekends or talking to some people for 3hours three times a week?
🤔 are you sure about that? He probably works harder than you.
@@kazaiza6405 Anybody working full time works harder than joe.
The problem with Rogan is that he is easy to manipulate and that he will never push back on any guest and when you only have right wing guests on you show that's means he pivots more and more to the right.
Yes, that's what is said in this video. At least watch it first.
@@mechanomics2649 Yes of course comments that repeat what's said in the video should be eradicated on sight. Good work, soldier!
The problem with Rogan is, that he is a beta male in a society that refuses to acknowledge that beta males are to meek and submissive in their nature to form their own opinions and should be sheltered and under the guidance of a legal guaridan until.
He used to push back though, remember Rubin and the post office, or the building regulations? He used to understand some stuff well enough to realise "wait....? What?". Nowadays it's just "really? The post office ships children to pedos? Unbelievable! Someone needs to intervene!" 🤣
Steroids rot your brain over the years lol
If I got a UBI I would actually have a kid. All these people worried about the collapse of the nuclear family, scared about falling birthrates, should support a UBI.
I would love to have a child, but even though we are college educated, we simply cannot afford it. A high school degree was enough for people to raise 4 kids when my parents were my age. My dad was able to support us for 4 years by himself, comfortably, owning a house.
Now we live in apartments, housing costs are out of control, we can barely afford our own healthcare. What if our kid has special needs? We wouldn't be able to meet them. A UBI would also make me feel more comfortable about bringing another drone into this economy. The constant stress is life-destroying. Working all the time and still just treading water, watching every raise get swallowed by increased rent and prices, it's hell. That's not life.
It makes us all miserable, and Joe Rogan says "some people need a fire under their ass." Joe, everyone already has a fire under their ass, all day, every day. You know what that does? It creates a singed ass, charred and painful. It creates people addicted to alcohol and opium as they self medicate the daily torture. And if you're already working the best job you can get, you're just holding us in the fire because it "builds character" even though there's clear path to escape it. You can take a risk and jump blindly towards what you think might be an escape, but guess what? You might land in an even bigger and hotter fire. You don't have the luxury to take risks when rent needs to be paid. Joe has a bucket of water right there, UBI, he could decide "this guy's ass has been burned enough, give him the water" but you think that would spoil me? That's not an economy, that's hell. That's how you create damaged people.
Joe Rogan works hard, he doesn't have any fire under his ass does he? He doesn't 'have to worry about adding up the cost of items in the grocery cart to make sure you can pay for it. Yet he still works. Elon Musk has lots of money, he still works. But rich people think they are special, that they have hundreds of millions or billions of dollars because there was a fire under Joe's ass for maybe 5 adult years before he landed extremely lucrative jobs. He thinks that's comparable to someone who has been working full time for 10, 20, 30 years and still can't find any economic stability? Who has been injured on the job working in kitchens to serve people like Joe? How can you live with yourself having so much wealth, but not advocating that the people who serve you day in and day out have enough money to send their kids to college, to go to the dentist, to take a week off now and then to enjoy life?
Instead of a fire under your ass, that you have to somehow desperately escape in a country where everyone's ass is on fire and water buckets are limited, where the hotter the fire under workers the greater the shareholder returns, why don't we incentivize people with good wages that allow them to travel, engage in more expensive hobbies, to save up for businesses or invest or improve their lives? People want good things. Most people are willing to work hard to get them. I've stretched the analogy enough, but the idea that misery is what produces productivity and greatness is just flat out wrong. I've lived in impoverished areas, they aren't great bastions of productivity where heroes are made. They are full of desperate miserable people that have no hope for anything better, they've lived with the fire so long that they just sit down and accept it. Their town is dying, manufacturing moved out, people turned to drugs and crime the jobs went away. What people need is a sense of community. That 1k in the pocket of the poor people on the street will make them feel like they matter, that someone cares. It would give hope to the hopeless. Housing to the homeless.
UBI is necessary. We need living wages. Until a person who works full time earns a living wage, castigating the poor as lazy and entitled is just plain cruel.
Wow this comment hit deep. You should seriously consider poetry or something! That shit was illustrated perfectly and I couldn't agree more
@@str8gamingfacts Thank you so much, I really appreciate that. You put a huge smile on my face. I do love writing and poetry when the muse throws me headfirst into an idea. Even better if someone else gets to enjoy it with me.
I wonder if someone could draw a comic of this analogy, I really like the visualization, I'm gonna draft one up.
I kinda understand their frustration.
For years they've been defending Joe Rogan for having conservative take They've been arguing for years with people like us that Joe Rogan isn't a conservative.
Now, its so plainly obvious that he is a conservative, that they're legitimately upset that they've wasted their time and Joe made them look like idiots. So now they are voicing their frustrations.
I kinda feel bad for them. Kinda.
As soon as a fan starts to attach their ego to an entertainer they like, they'll basically be willing to die on the alter for them. I'm glad some of Rogan's fans are waking up, though.
Joe has been pro weed and pro gay marriage for like 25 years openly how is that conservative? And he endorsed Bernie sanders
@@gibememoni you'd be surprised considering there's gay conservatives and conservatives that smoke weed. Yeah they're known to be left wing ideas or whatnot but you can support one leftist or liberal thing and still be a conservative, vice versa as well.
Pretty sure it depends on the majority leaning of his beliefs (more and more right wing stuff than left wing or truly centrist) and how strongly he cares about it. But that last part may just be what I think.
For some.
I know in certain circles, tho, his image was being cultivate by the alt-reich,
@@gibememoni He also went from saying anti-vaxxers were nutty and dangerous to being an anti-vaxxer in a year, as shown by the 2 clips in this video. You think there aren't any right wingers who are pro weed? Rogan smoked weed on a podcast with Elon Musk, but you probably think he's a lefty too.
I remember Joe Rogan from Fear Factor. The times has changed so much way before his boomer phase.
I miss newsradio Joe rogan, he had alot of hair back then.
@@dustinsindledecker154 Wait. He was on News Radio? I need to go back an watch that show. I didn't even recognize him.
@@kaize666 He was indeed. He played Joe the superintendent.
@@kaize666 Yeah, he was on the show for all five seasons.
I know he had actual hair on that show, I miss when Joe had hair because he had some nice hair.
I love how the dude is saying people need incentives to do things while he’s literally doing nothing for society
But he has the incentive of getting rich for smoking pot, doing next to no homework and talking with his pals on a podcast.
@@Don-md6wn this! Rogan got rich by airing all of his shower thoughts in a podcast
Not merely doing nothing, but actively harming society by spreading medical misinformation
your wrong he is a workaholic he certainly is not lazy@@Don-md6wn
As somebody who has had anywhere from dog shit to pretty good jobs (in terms of pay) I can tell you, I never worked harder in my life than when I was a teen doing fast food. It was a brutal grind and the 8 hours felt like an eternity. Now I do 12hr shifts all over the place, day, night, etc, but the work is easy. Does it require a shit ton more knowledge yes, but it's far far easier on the body AND the mind. The person serving you at McDonald's, especially if they do it with a smile and are polite, they probably work harder than most people. Even my friends who took the construction route, they started out at the bottom with dogshit pay getting screamed at for 10hrs and lifting mortar up scaffolding nonstop the entire day, now they're all more in the management side and recognize how much easier their jobs are, even if mentally they're a lot harder, the pay is extremely good instead of dog shit, and they tell people what to do, they're actually not even supposed to do shit themselves. There needs to be more fairness in terms of the income for people in those entry level jobs as they're needed almost as much as anyone else.
Anyways the point being if you've worked one of those entry level jobs for a significant amount of time, you know what it's like busting your ass to make nothing while you sit back and watch ownership get filthy rich. Everyone has to start somewhere, but the world needs people for every job, especially now. Just because somebody doesn't want to work somewhere else or doesn't have the capacity to doesn't mean they don't deserve to live just as good a quality of life as the person who aspired for more. Right now the difference between their wage vs how hard they work is vast. They deserve to earn a good living wage+ for putting in all that time and sweat. I'm not saying they need to pay them 100k a year, but I don't see why they can't all be paid a living wage when the owners of these establishments are making millions in profit.
I bet if they'd actually pay better they'd also get better employees anyways and better employees especially in the long term SAVE you money, even if they're paid more. Less mistakes, less headaches, less bullshit. Believe me ask anyone managing a business how much easier it makes it when people aren't shit, the problem is so many of these places for some reason think they can still get quality people for dog shit pay and need to wake up and realize it's 2022 now, not 1992. Pay people, or close your fucking doors, greedy fuckers.
People that work entry level jobs aren't needed almost as much as anyone else, they're needed exactly as much if not more.
You both make good points! so thank you 🙏 both for your comments!!! I would only add most types of workers BENEFIT FROM A UNION…
United We Bargain, Divided We Beg!! 👏🔥🥊
☮️❤️🩹🙏
I might make an exception for my work, but that's mostly because I have colleagues that take on too much work and end up in a burnout. Our workplace doesn't even demand that kind of grind though, they just end up overtaxing themselves. We have deadlines, and some colleagues take on too many projects and then stretch themselves thin between all the projects and deadlines. I have several colleagues either scaling down or recovering from burn-out.
I do have a very cozy job as a professional engineer. It's fairly creative, hourly pay isn't bad, the work culture is super chill. No one will bat an eye if I stroll into work in the afternoon as long as I work most of my hours at some point. Or even if I randomly take a day off. But there is a lot of opportunity for stress if you let the job get to you. There's always a tight deadline somewhere. And we just don't have enough people. The fact that you can simply scale back like my colleagues did, is proof that it's a very easygoing workplace. But the fact that it's necessary to scale back is very unfortunate.
@@Marco_Onyxheart Thank you 🙏 for making a comment.
I’m unclear if your “make an exception for my work” was directed at my statement of support for Unions. If it was directed at my statement, I would just respond by saying 1. I respect others opinions even if they disagree with me*. 2. I support Unions and 99.999% of ALL WORKERS, even if they work in non union positions. Many do! So the 99.99% of WORKERS I SUPPORT & APPRECIATE would certainly INCLUDES ENGINEERS!! 💕🕺💕 Love & Gratitude 🙏 to any engineers who might read this… THANK YOU 🙏 ENGINEERS!!
3. Lastly I would just say that I am just one ☝️ imperfect person who advocates for things to be a little bit fairer and less harmful for workers and their families! And hope/🙏PRAYS🙏 that’s possible… As an example, until a few years ago I was unaware that Unions played a major role in the “creation of the weekend” and other benefits many workers enjoy. Call me corny, but I THINK THAT’S COOL 😎!!!
Does that make sense? This is just my opinion. Feel free to agree OR to disagree.
* with the rare exceptions of those who troll with the purposely of trying to cause conflict amongst workers trying to work together for the benefit of themselves and all colleagues ORRR anyone literally advocating for more suffering/cruelty, but it’s been my experience that I can have a conversation with vast majority of workers & most NOT ALL people are doing what they think is best!!
Yeah but let’s not forget, our societies and cultures are fucking us hard as well.
When a person can sit down and twitch stream, making more money then a person with a university degree for far less effort and almost no one bats an eye... you’ve got big problems.
That’s not mentioning that degeneracy is rewarded, I’m not talking “Gay Pride” style like conservative nutters do (though why a persons sexuality matters when we have people starving is beyond me) I’m talking about the kind that promulgates stagnation, corruption and an environment that hampers and disincentives the bulk of people from doing anything.
A great many people can encourage and spread wise actions and beliefs that benefit us as a whole, if everyone acts, no matter how draconian a state, they have to listen and fold at least a little bit, and that applies to businesses, they aren’t nebulous vacuums.
The sad thing is those that supposedly do encourage action (whatever “wing” you want to stick them into) often really only to it for the money, Hassan “Fuckwit” Piker and almost all the black/redpill youtubers, Hassan owns a multi-million dollar mansion whilst “claiming” to act in the interests of the poor...
TLDR, shit will only get worse until we all act in our best interests, which are the interests of the common man, and until we realise that we as a collective have the power to act and shape the places we live in for better and (hopefully not) worse.
Also, "Too good to not be true" is the opposite of how journalism goes. The joke in journalism is, don't investigate a good story because it will ruin it. Most good stories turn out to be no-stories. For Rogan to not first check if the story is true is below bush league.
Precisely. This is how they work. If it SOUNDS good, they’ll run with it. Reality be damned.
Fun fact. The US is no 42 of +102 countries on press freedom. Norway, Denmark, Sweden no 1-3. Thigh some Americans has scolded me for saying it as I’m just another lying commie and that America is the best country in the world.
"But I'm not a journalist"
(He says while hosting the largest 'news and entertainment' podcast in the world.
I'm hoping you all paid attention to the Michael sussman trial... He was found not guilty of lying to the FBI about not working for anyone running for office when he turned in the fake steele dossier (it claimed that trump had direct treasonous connections to alfa bank in moscow) .... That said, Robbie Mook, Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, testified that he took the steele dossier to Hillary Clinton and she told him that she knew it was fake that she had paid for it to be fabricated by Christopher steele. She then told him to get someone to turn it into the FBI and then she contacted people at CNN, msnbc, and others demanding they report it all the while knowing they wouldn't verify it.... And she was right. They reported it and didn't verify anything in it.... Scary that things like that happen.
If you have access to the transcripts, Mook testified on day two.
My point is that our press is... Garbage...
@@luked3996 I think everybody agrees that media has failed the public many times. But we are here talking about something that takes minutes to dispute. I'm talking about very base stories that turn into no-stories because there's "more" to it. This is an obvious too good to be true story.
I'm pretty sure media ran with the Trump-Russia story because it was something they could see Trump do. Their bias influenced how they acted. They dropped the ball. Not because of their bias (we all have them), but their blindness to it. We continue to see it. Jimmy Dore did a piece on a completely bogus story in the New York Time titled something like, how Putin controls the minds of black Americans. They ran with it because it supports their beliefs. They cannot believe black Americans would not vote for Hillary on their own volition. The article isn't just bogus, but condescending and racist. The radical centrists are absolutely horrible.
I had only heard of Joe Rogan's podcast for years, and my impression of it was largely negative, since the type of masculinity he was advertising very much did not fit me or appeal to me. His 2-year plunge into straight up conservatism just solidified my view, especially as I went further and further left.
The left wing only exists because the right wing insists on it. The right means orthodox, so the norm according to conservatives is hard conservatism. In my opinion, it is normal to want social democracy, libertarian socialism, or anarcho-syndicalism rather than Neoliberal Capitalism in which free market libertarians create complete and utter tyranny for the commoners they want to rule over.
Long read just to say you don't like the guy haga
@@yoboy6319 He didn't like the guy, and his antics just got confirmed in an epic way - i can relate to that
So you never listened to any of his podcasts? I mean I have and don't like where he has ended up but it sounds like you just knew about him and haven't even watched/listened. Sorry if I am incorrect.
@@somniumisdreaming people need the slightest push to shit on someone they already didn’t like. if people actually watched and listened to what he says, they’d know he doesn’t want people taking his word for gospel. it’s amazing how these things get looked over because he has different ideas than what people want him to.
I wonder what would happen if Joe put everything on hold for one year and just worked in a hospital for like $15 dollars an hour and forced himself to live off of that income. I bet he'd probably come out of that experience a more rounded person.
probably way more relatable
So basically the MundaneMatt strat?
I first encountered joe rogan as a DMT enthusiast. It was nice to hear someone mainstream talk about it excitedly. Nowadays I think of his show as just The Place Where Douchebags Get Opinions.
Oh shit I remember him because of the DMT stuff. But I never really looked into it further since his whole image wasn't my thing.
Hahaha I got so sick of him always going on forever about DMT this and DMT that, that I stopped listening to him even before his Covid plunge:D
@@karsten11553 Hey man. That's pretty far out. Have you ever tried Ayahuasca?
@@alfsmith4936 😆
I can't stop thinking about how much he resembles a leather egg.
first time really knowing about Joe Rogan was when he interviewed like Edward Snowden, or some pop scientist, and I thought he was fine and was just giving smart people a platform. The first time I listened to a full podcast was with Johann Harri for his book Chasing The Scream, about the War on Drugs in American, tracing its history. super interesting and helped me educate a lot of friends, but yeah I was in a frat for three years and there's five or six brothers who just repeat right wing online talking points from anything Joe Rogan says to some tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro
I do keep having to remind myself that he wasn't always 'this', even if I had my bets on him getting here.
I'm waaaay too snotty about my media, but dangit... normies!
Rogan isn't responsible for your Frat bro's conservative take. Let me ask you this. Do you believe people have autotomy in the actions they partake in? Unless you believe people are just vapid creatures with no brains to actually think, the people spewing a particular set of ideas should be responsible for their own views.
Rogan is not responsible for your frat bro's views on conservatism, your buddies lack of proper research, critical thinking is. This is not even to say Rogan's content is bad. Just like he's had Right Winged people on his show, he's also had extremely progressive guests such as Bernie Sanders.
The issue is people just hate the idea of free speech when it does not align with their own way of thinking. Be thankful that platforms like his even exist where open dialogue, exchange of ideas can even exist, because that is the only way a healthy society can function. Free speech is the only way you can discuss, debate and reach newer, or even correct ideas from all sides and all angles. Without it, everything will just devolve to violence.
Be thankful we still have that because one day we will not, and let me not remind you, the people who are pushing for anti-free speech laws are ONLY the Radical Leftists who hate the idea of anyone challenging their ideas because it exposes how ignorant they are when actually challenged.
The first time I heard about his podcast was in late 2010. I was an open-mic stand-up comic at the time and a friend recommended the Joe Rogan Experience to me because it was Joe and his comic friends talking about all sorts of stuff, mainly philosophy and talking shop about the LA comedy scene. It was still a very good comedy podcast at that time and a revelation to many an open-mic comic.
The first time he had a non-comic on his show that I can remember was Sam Harris in 2012. This was before Sam Harris went all right-wing, but it was still a huge get for him at the time.
However, the one podcast that really sticks out in my mind was in 2013 when he had Peter Duesberg, a disgraced doctor who was adamant that HIV/AIDS didn't exist and claimed that the symptoms of AIDS were really the side effects of the hard drugs that gay men in LA/SF liked to use. It caused so much of an uproar at the time that on multiple occasions on later episodes, he defended having that doctor on by claiming that he was "Just Asking Questions".
Considering the controversy he had with Spotify a few months back, I am honestly shocked the podcast he did with Peter Duesberg was never brought up.
I only occasionally listened to his podcast after that, I only listened if he had someone interesting on like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Kyle Kulinski, David Pakman, orJoey Diaz. The last episode I remember listening to in full was his episode where he interviewed Bernie Sanders in the summer of 2019. Other than the occasional Joey Diaz appearance, I didn't listen to his podcast that much after that, and not at all after he went to Spotify exclusively.
This is spookily close to my experience with JRE. Tried to listen to the latest Duncan Trussle interview the other day, trying to give Joe and them a chance again... and I just couldn't.
I said out loud, "How much is Musk paying you?" and shut it off.
Sam Harris was pushing some pretty typical right wing schtick as far back as when he published The End of Faith in 2004. People say Harris "became" rightwing, but I think they just didn't notice until more recently, and it's comfortable to think Harris changed in some fundamental way than to think they might have missed something.
@@RedSpade37 Good to know I'm not the only one that had this experience with the JRE podcast.
I don’t think Joe Rogan was ever center or center left. He had Gavin Mciness on before his fans turned on him. I think his biggest crime to his fans is turning into another out of touch talking head for the conservatives
A funny thing no one has commented on is Rogan's making fun of prohibiting "unrestricted pig farms." Pig farms are smelly and pollute heavily, so most densely populated places don't allow unrestricted (or possibly any) pig farms. Joe Rogan is loaded financially, so even if he favors unrestricted pig farming in principle, you can damn well believe that he's not going to buy a house next to a pig farm.
Damn, that's as dumb as Dave Rubin's "why do we have electrical codes for builders?" argument that even Rogan couldn't swallow.
Literally millions of gallons of shit and nowhere to store it but manufactured embankment ponds.
Seriously, for most of Australia there wasn’t harsh restrictions during the pandemic. Melbourne bore the brunt of it because they had an outbreak during the original Covid 19 spread. In NSW the lockdowns allowed for takeaway foods and coffees from cafes as well as exercising with other people. The myths about the Australian lockdowns are very weird. As another poster notes, the NSW Govt is right wing and constantly went out of their way not to have lockdowns or mask mandates.
Western Australia had no official lockdowns and here in South Australia we had 2 weeks of lockdown in a year and a half! People like Joe just make shit up against entire nations and peoples then when they get proven to be liars they don't apologise or acknowledge it which means some people in the country will still believe the lie! 🤷♂️🙄
And plus Australia has a.very right wing government so its like conservatives going after their own.
Any restrictions are too harsh for these sorts of people.
I know I live in WA, and like the entire time I was going to uni, movie, clubs, shopping, gym, friends etc, and there was one or two weeks we had a locksown and a few more 4 or 5 day periods where masks were mandatory around the clock, but truly the media from the right just screaming about the totalitarianism is fucking hilarious
My few friends in Australia were more upset about the vape pens being made prescription only than they were about lockdowns.
*Huge* Rogan fan here whose boycotted him since the early pandemic.
Joe's problems are as follows:
1) He's sharp & street smart, but his almost total lack of a formal education has made it very easy for a group of defunct alt right academics (Gad Saad, Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray, Sam Harris, etc) to take over the show.
2) He has always had a very strong bias towards contrarian, provocative, and sensationalist conspiracy theories over mainstream, mundane, or well established positions.
Thus, his view on nutrition consists of jumping from extreme fad to fad (gluten-free, carnivore, keto, caveman, etc.)
His view on cosmology consists of alien conspiracy theories, simulation theory, zero point energy, etc.
His views of anthropology consist of attributing stereotypical one dimensional generalizations of foreign cultures to a single edgy causative factor. Eg: Brazilians are being controlled by brain fungus, Islam is a religion of violence, etc.
3) He is obsessed with making money and will often purposely engage in unethical business practices to increase profits while having professing sincerity.
He will frequently blur the line between advertising and content, exaggerate or invent scientific claims, conceal personal business interests, purposely court toxic fanbases, etc.
4) He's a little racist, sexist, xenophobic, lgbtq-phobic, etc. and it is not tempered by any degree of self-awareness.
Joe thinks that because he treats different people well, and thinks well of them, he has no prejudice. Thus his biases manifest unchecked through other means.
For example, he treats women quite well, and thinks sexism is stupid. But despite frequently inviting anti-feminists and lamenting wokeness, he has never once invited a feminist to his show. For as many times as she's come up, Anita Sarkeesian has never been on the show. Meanwhile Sargon of Akaad and James Damore were happily invited.
This is implicit sexism manifesting through guest selection.
Despite spending many episodes criticizing Islam, no Islamic scholars have ever been on the show.
And so on.
CONCLUSION:
All of these problems culminated in the perfect storm when the pandemic hit.
At the start he invited Dr. Osterholm because the scientific position was indeed the lesser known provocative anti-mainstream position. More importantly, it hadn't yet cut into Joe's income or personal life.
Once the government embraced the very same positions Joe initially championed, and safety precautions began to affect his ability to perform and sell out shows, this money-grubbing ignorant conspiracy monger moved to the land where white man is king (Texas) and began railing against even the most benign interventions (masks, etc.)
Last I heard Joe endorsed Larry Elder's California gubernatorial run. A man who ran on a platform that Christianity should be reinteoduced into government and the descendants of slave *owners* should be paid reparations by the federal government as they were literally entitled to have slaves.
As a Brazilian, I laughed about the fungus things and I hope is true.
@@bluester7177 Lol good luck.
In more detail, the claim he's repeated is that a brain parasite called toxoplasmosis gondii is incredibly prevalent in Brazil due to their high meat consumption. This parasite supposedly alters the host's personality making them more reckless.
It does this because a more reckless host is more likely to fight and be consumed by a predator, thereby infecting the predator as well. (Eg: An infected mouse will fight a cat rather than run, thereby infecting the cat)
Joe proceeds to explain that this may be the cause of the violent and machismo attitude among Brazilian men. They are being influenced by the brain parasite.
It's a great theory because it reinforces in the mind of his American audience that we are indeed the "normal" people in a world of zombies and brainwashed people. Whether it is due to brain parasite (South America), low iq (Africa), crazy religion (Middle East), etc.
This is a good breakdown!
Your post as a long time Rogan listener is interesting, but with regard to the claim that he was anti-sexist and treats women well, I recently saw a clip of Rogan from several years ago with a comedy club owner who apparently was one of his regular guests over the years. Rogan asked him was it really true that he made aspiring female comedians give him blow jobs to get on stage on open mic night for a short set? The guy said absolutely, Rogan started laughing and asked how many times. The guy said at least 20, and Rogan and whoever his sidekick were laughing like it was the funniest thing he had ever heard. Note - I just did a search. The guest was Joey Diaz and the show was from 2011.
@@Don-md6wn I remember the episode you're talking about. That's kinda my point though. Joe would never do something so foul himself, but also feels comfortable laughing about someone else's story from many years ago.
Incidentally, I think your comment was blocked by yt's filters as I'm not seeing it any more.
6 years ago, I was touting Bill Maher and Joe Rogan as the gold standard of leftist commentary, but my respect for both has really eroded since then.
@M.K W.K. I assume "leftist"=liberal in OP's mind. I also disagree with that equivalency, but if one does, his comment makes sense.
@@synchronium24 True. Not a lot of people are aware of the difference.
all these people moving with the money have no cares about society whatsoever in their locked in homes
I wonder is slipping into conservatism just a natural part of aging as a member of the dominant group. It seems like unless you’re directly affected by society’s shortcomings it’s easy to just be comfortable. Like ik a lot of cool white ppl but i wonder if one day when we’re all 45 with kids, if they will still be concerned about other groups of ppl or just protecting their portfolios? Like it’s easy to be down for the cause when everybody’s in college together working fast food jobs, but when schools over and someone goes on to a 7 figure salary, are they gonna change their tune on the 1%. Seeing Joe rogan become more conservative feels like that.
No Joe Rogan has always been a dumb reactionary at heart. There's no transformation here.
I am misquoting it but there is a saying that goes something like “everyone with a brain is a socialist in their twenties, liberal in their thirties and fourties and conservative over 50”.
@@barkasz6066 Hope I’m not like that in my 50’s! 😬 (in my 30’s).
So anyone who doesn't think like you is some whiteness issue. Look into Thomas Sowell.
Joe went from having one of the best videos on COVID at the beginning of the pandemic to becoming an antivax wingnut
As an Australian that shit was so weird new south wales is controlled by Christan conservatives and had the weakest response to the pandemic and the federal government didn't want to do anything about the pandemic
Australia has handled the pandemic way better than America! The US just reached the 1 million deaths mark while Australia is around 2 thousand deaths! So many Americans I speak to online seem to think we are all under lockdown by evil leftists who have imprisoned us and have us being watched 24/7 by the armed forces! It's bizarre how out of touch they are? I live in Adelaide which has only had two weeks of lockdown throughout the whole pandemic and it's a city that recently came 5th in the list of the worlds most livable cities, Melbourne and Sydney and Brisbane we're all in the top 15 cities too while America didn't have a single city in the top 20!
I've been to America twice and and spent all up 6 months there and I love the country and the people but Americans have this delusional belief that they are miles above every country on earth in terms of life quality? It's from years of being fed "American Exceptionalism" as a philosophy! I loved parts of America especially New York and New England but there is no way I could leave Adelaide for the states. You can tell an Americans lack of knowledge about Australia when they call the Liberal Party left wing and call Labor right wing. Everyone who knows anything about Australian politics knows the Liberal Party are right wing conservatives and they're name is a misnomer from long ago that was never rectified! Our current PM Scott Morrison is a grifting evangelical who would be more suited to Florida or Texas than a Australia! 🇦🇺🇺🇲
@@pavlovsdogman I'm from Victoria so it was not as good for me with the super long lock downs but I think the government did the right thing doing them but you're totally right with how delusional they are.
I was a huge Rogan fan until 2020, I was introduced by the dmt doc because I was a huge hippie and he was reflecting a lot of my views at the time, and he would interview scientists and have conversations with interesting people.
A ton of amazing interviews are still worth watching.
When I couldnt even talk in joe rogan fan forums anywhere without getting flamed by psycho manosphere chuds I left the fandom entirely. to this day I like watching him sometimes talk to comedians or something but it was all the manosphere shit that totally turned me off. At first I liked watching his interviews that challenged my views and got me thinking of rebuttles, but eventually it got boring.
Oh yeah, within weeks of the pandemic beginning the show became unbearable, I miss when he’d actually have on cool people like Forrest Galante
@@DonnieY23 yeah I found pretty much exactly the same thing. I really enjoyed his interview with David chou for example
@@little_flitter I’ll have to check that one out
Honestly Rogan has completely butchered the psychedelic movement where now people only look at indigenous people as if our whole entire existence and world view is around psychedelics and violence.
I've been a fan of JRE for a decade now. I'm still a fan but also put off by his out-of-touch views. Wealth and fame have definitely affected him for the worst, but I still enjoy his show in spite of his change.
I used to like Joe Rogan- specifically for hearing his conversations with celebrities and prolific intellectuals. He provided a very relaxed environment that allowed for a very fluid and natural conversation. It was cool to see famous and high performing people just talk like a normal person. Why he devolved his content into all of this BS is beyond me… shame shame
Problem with his loose conversational style is when he gets in over his head, he often can't push back on bullshit because he doesn't recognize it. That's generally not so bad when he's interviewing a fellow stand-up, but when he wades into politics, medicine, etc., he's totally out of his element, and some really crazy shit gets platformed to millions of listeners.
I used to like him too and followed him mainly to hear all the talk of Ayahuasca and other psychedelics. Then he devolved into….this. And his fanboys with him.
yeah it was fun listening to Neil Tyson but now it's mostly just whiny people bitching and moaning about people trying to make the country a better place to live
"A certain amount of entitlement they didn't used to have"
Yeah, Joe. An amount of entitlement directly tied to increases in productivity and executive pay.
It's a 1 to 1 correlation, *Rogan* you absolute flatsteak of a man.
The further back he alludes to, until b4 wwi, the more government assistance white men/white families recieve in the US. This is Joe's fabled time where people didn't feel entitled to government handouts.
Lol flatsteak.
I’m a huge MMA fan so it hurts to have seen him fall so far.
Dana White is conservative af Joe Rogan is just a classic liberal
Same except I'm a Fear Factor fan.
@@ryanbrooker464 "classical liberal" = Republican
@@ryanbrooker464 joe rogan falls into the category based on what his guest is on the political spectrum ...he is a flip flopper
@@ryanbrooker464 The fuck does that even mean?
Gained millions of fans followers and dollars.... oh what a downfall
I started as a fan of Joe Rogan all the way back in the 90's during his run on News Radio... always thought he was an interesting guy and really liked his early podcasts. I'm pretty disappointed by the direction he's taken.
It’s probably a good thing that everyone I know thinks this guy is really dumb. Then again, I don’t have a large social circle.
Sadly alot of dumb people take medical advice from him.
If everybody in your social circle thinks Rogan is dumb you have a social circle that's a good size.
no but fr, he used to be liberal but now he's full on boomer
This guy is talking nonsense. Joe Rogan has the biggest podcast in the world and is actually pretty moderate. Bill Maher hasn’t changed his views the left has just gone so far left that they make bill Maher look like a right winger just for not sharing their opinions. And Elon musk does get a ton of hit pieces because he disagrees with the extreme left and wants free speech. Not hard to believe he switched to the right when he’s gotten nothing but hate from the left. That’s cause the left hates successful African Americans. Especially when they try to make better electric cars and are for free speech.
The cuckenackle is alt left
Elon Musk African American? What the hell?
@@frontenac5083 yes Elon musk is South African.
On some ultra conservative Tumblr blog I first saw post from year ago about Elon Musk where they literally call him megachurch pastor for atheists and then recent post exactly year after where he is literally depicted as world savior that could end world hunger but supposedly UN didn't let him because he wanted some transparency from them.
I was on the tube the other day and there was a girl wearing a Joe rogan t shirt, swigging wine out of a bottle and reading some philosophy book. She started proselytising to the people opposite about how amazing her book was. Bless her I think she wasn't very well
Meghan Murphy?
Lmao
He was a passable comedian once, not great but good... He was better than Bill Maher, anyway. 😆
The problem with his comedy is.that its the same material he has had for decades, its old and stale.
90% of his material was done better by Bill Hicks
i've heard his stand-up style referred to as "stool-f*cking"
@@JadeHarleyCoffeeMug stool fxcking, nonsensical rants, and guttural animal noises
"If it's fake, fake is usually a warning."
Yup that's how it works.
Joe was very influential during the late 90s/early 2000s legalise weed push. I remember watching a whole bunch of documentaries where he spoke about why weed should be legalised.
Yeah him legalizing weed is probably the only left position he has now.
@@dustinsindledecker154 I'm pretty sure that the psychedelic movement is where he got the initial audience for the podcast, I remember a bunch of weed/shroom relayed content from the pre-JRE podcast days.
Joe Rogan's podcast was awesome. First podcast I ever listened to, and I absolutely loved it. I watched almost every episode for probably 5 years, but stopped watching 2 years ago.
I stopped watching after he complained that LA spent 300 million on the homeless per year, but there were still homeless! Joe had just signed a spotify contract for hundreds of millions of dollars, so he made more in one day signing that contract than they spend on something ike 50,000 homeless people. I can't remember how many homeless, but I calculated they spend 3k a year on each homeless person. How are they still homeless Joe!?!?
You probably can't house a horse for 3k a year anywhere in the country, especially in LA. I also calculated that 300 million is like .01% of LA's GDP. So if they decided to spend per dollar LA could increase that to 12k or 15k or 18k per year, build apartments for the homeless, they could house them and get them case workers. Joe Rogan is out there eating $300 elk steaks, drinking fine whiskey, etc. just like every other ridiculously rich person in that extremely wealthy city. Yet he's not willing to pay .01% more for all of his expensive stuff. He complains about the homeless, he's scared of them, he wants them gone, but he's not willing to pay .01% more to house them. He has the power, he has the megaphone, he could have pushed for an actual solution to the problem. LA's GDP is in the trillions, and they are spending a paltry 300 million on the homeless. Yet Joe talked about homeless people endlessly, clearly distressed by a problem that could easily be solved, but his only solution was to moralize and preach about personal responsibility.
Joe Rogan acted like 300 million is a ton of money. Instead of actually having an expert on to talk about the situation and what would be best for the homeless, Joe Rogan opts to complain about it endlessly and assert that it was too much. Acting like that's a huge amount of money to spend on tens of thousands of people in a city where he and others live in giant mansions.
Before he started on this right-wing Chud arc, he was chill and open and cool. I still want to like him, but he dismisses all systemic and government solutions to problems offhand. He has what he needs, he has a big chunk of cash, he started hanging out with extremely wealthy and conservative people, and now he acts as a mouthpiece in the pipeline that draws people further to the right.
He has almost no experts on, does not research or fact check anything, and when you combine that with an inclination towards right wing politics, that means he became a large purveyor of right wing outrage porm, he takes fake stories drafted up in billionaire-run conservative think tanks and spreads them to his audience. He went from "chimpanzees can bite your finger off, isn't that crazy?"😲 to "the woke left said this thing on Twitter, isn't it crazy?"😱
Okay sorry for the long comment. Joe Rogan and Bill Maher have been driving me nuts. Our country is in serious trouble right now but instead of talking about them, they're talking about .2% of Gen Z identifying as trans as if the problem we should all be focusing on. They're talking about what "woke" people say on Twitter while millenials and Gen Z are the first generations to earn less than their parents. Young people have more education, went $50k in debt for it, are struggling just to pay rent even in what used to be white collar jobs that could easily get you a house 20 years ago. Joe is one of the many older people who refuse to acknowledge anything about how much worse the economy is for us than it was for them.
Then we're called lazy and entitled for pointing that out. For wanting the government to do something about it.
They never talk about corporations anymore. The source of all evil in the world is the "woke" left. They have been driven crazed and delusional by the crazy tweets the right is always using as a source for their sociological narratives, and personally I think a lot of tweets were also crafted by right-wing think tanks to make the left look bad. Or come from teenagers, as if teenagers having "extreme" political views is something new. If Joe Rogan had twitter as a teenager I'm sure he would be obnoxious too. I guess Joe Rogan forgot what he was like 10, 20 years ago when he was obsessed with the conspiracies of rich people who own everything, back before he was corrupted by the massive amounts of money and fame and power.
Alex probably took him to Bohemian Grove, he did the ceremony in front of Moloch, and now he's just another extremely rich guy bending the world and his viewers to his will. He seems absolutely miserable, his sense of humor is gone, his openness to other people's experiences is gone, he's obsessed with talking about the homeless, and trans people, and woke people. All fear mongering. All right out of the think tank playbook.
Like a lot of people he got really rich, and now he wants more for himself and less for everybody else. But he doesn't want to say that, it would make you sound like a dick, so instead he's on the right because the "woke" people pushed him too far. He read Twitter comments and they completely changed his political alignment. I hold my political views because I view them to be the most moral and just, the best way to strengthen our country, to create love and decency. If left-wingers started calling me a dumb poo poo head on Twitter I would still vote for them. If Republicans praised me daily for how awesome and strong I am, if they called me a free thinker and a genius, if they lined up to give me back massages, I would still vote and believe in leftist policies. All this PC, cancel culture, woke narrative, it's all just an excuse to vote out of pure greed. More for me, less for everybody else. I got mine Jack, don't even think about taxing me .01% to house the people I'm constantly complaining about to do something good for people who desperately need help.
Jeez, it's late, this comment just kept going. If you made it to the end, you get an elk-steak sticker 🥩
I know your comment is long but thank you, you out into words exactly how I feel about Rogan- especially your second to last paragraph
I love how this video generated long comments. It's nice to see people putting into words so much of this frustrating that been slowly building up
@@str8gamingfacts I'm glad it's appreciated, when I wrote it I was definitely self conscious that I'd come across as a lunatic. Or like I'm grandstanding. But I found it to be very cathartic to write and read others' comments.
We've all been increasingly frustrated watching Joe morph into a right wing fake-news driven outrage machine.
I got a sticker!
Worth it!
I enjoyed how they talked about people deserve no UBI without first learning what they deem marketable skills... when Joe's job is to do zero research, regurgitate right wing boomer memes, and get high
Once Joe moved to Texas, his circle of comedian friends changed. From LA Left to Texas Neo Con. He loves hanging out in comedy clubs.
I still remember coming across JR dunking on Dave Rubin regarding regulations just before Michael Brooks passing.
I always love when anyone dunks on Dave Rubin he is such a schmuck
Always found him overrated
Most people he interviewed or talk about didn't interest me and also I didn't feel like fact checking everyone he interview
Once he made that deal with Spotify he forgot the reality of how hard it is for the average person. He used to talk about it and identify with it. But when he sounds more like Kim Kardashian than himself, he's lost the plot.
You have zero idea about what you are talking about lol he was an average person that worked to get to his position now while you couch pigs still sit and cry about how hard your life is lol gtfoh
joe: "it's got to be real, it's too good not to be"
this is a man that people trust for information... let that shit sink in. and then think about all his other bigoted and harmful rhetoric...
I think both you and them put too much into his podcasts. It's not a news channel.
Joe isn't a conservative. Name 1 traditional conservative view that Joe shares ?
Ive always felt he was a conservative pretending to be an “edgy centrist”
Surprised this is only coming out now
How do you remain so calm while covering such nonsense? It is harder than it looks and you nail it.
Shaun has a great video where he points out that he does get angry doing the research, but when it comes to making the video he's reading a script. The tone is a choice, though, I know I'd choose to come off a lot angrier
I had watched Joe Rogan's podcast off and on for a couple years and I had a generally positive opinion of it at that point. I avoided the comedian and MMA videos (except Bill Burr, cause Bill Burr is hilarious) and mostly watched the science, science-adjacent, conspiracy-theory (watching Neil deGrasse Tyson school him on his stupid moon-landing hoax theory was hilarious), and related stuff. I stopped when the Jordan Peterson/Brett Weinstein 'moment' happened because it felt like he was starting to slide pretty hard toward the right even then. If his podcast was still what it was like in 2012 I'd still be listening cause it was just fun goofy stuff.
In certain corners of the net, there seemed to be active discussion among the alt-right about how to court him/ get lefties mad at him so he'd slide right.
They certainly succeeded :( ☹
Yes. I had a friend that blocked me on Facebook because I posted something critical of Rogan. Weird.
As a center left Texan Hispanic, I never liked Elon Musk and Joe Rogan even before they moved to my home state. I disagreed with them politically.
Joe Rogan is literally a millionaire who doesn't have a real job complaining that people feel entitled not to work
As a kid I was always into theatrical and creative visual media whether it be film theater or even stand up comedy. I was in drama classes in my middle school and like everyone always told me I should be a comedian, so I just naturally watched a bunch of comedians, and I kinda fell down the toxic rabbit hole of the "bro" like comedians late in highschool.
I'm talking all of the podcasts, Bill Burr, Tom Segura, Bobby Lee, Joey Diaz, so many more I can't even remember most of them. They all went on Rogan's podcast and they all kinda viewed him to be the main figure that kind of brought everyone together. All the comedians would talk about "oh you've gotta hang out with Joe Rogan, you gotta see him dude." And when I followed his podcast I got introduced to like libertarianism and the likes of Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin.
I've always been a socially progressive person, my introduction to what politics was was seeing Barack Obama become elected and my parents were celebrating because he was the first black president elected in us history, and then gay marriage became legalized in 2015 in his last term, I had a gay best friend growing up and I myself always had questions about my gender and sexuality. So being socially conservative never really was an option for me, I didn't grow up religious.
However the sinister thing with Rogan is that, since I liked comedians I loved George Carlin and the whole edgy atheist comedians, and Rogan sort of dipped into that. I got into him during the whole Anti SJW craze and like all of these comedians began complaining about cancel culture and metoo and I was kinda forming my opinions around them for a while. Never quite fully became a Republican, but I was definitely a centrist who was spoon fed a both sides narrative.
I liked Bernie Sanders but after his loss in 2016, and me being a dumb 16 year old, I became resentful of the Democratic party and began falling deeper into the lie that libertarians cared about social equality they just didn't like big government or cancel culture.
Rogan made their talking points more digestible because he was funny. He wasn't some old bible thumper who threw their hands in the air saying "think of the children" he was a charismatic dude who smoked weed and was friends with almost every comedian I followed, who invited really smart people on his show.
I had some life changing events though that made me more sensitive about topics that these comedians often joked about. (Sexual Assault, Transgender and Non-binary People, Disabled People) When I saw that these topics affected me personally I began extending that sympathy towards black and brown people. It was then I became introduced to Breadtube, with creators like Contrapoints and Kat Blaque and Hasan Piker.
I also began socializing with more queer people who shit talked Joe Rogan all the time and I began to look back at the content he made and realized how homophobic and transphobic he was. I followed him for years and like while back then when I identified as straight and cis, now as a non-binary pansexual I realized that alot of his "jokes" were just ways for him to spread a hateful message. I fully stopped fucking with Rogan and Peterson after kinda realizing how hateful they really were when it came to trans people, and also seeing how they freely associated white supremacists.
I think the main appeal to Rogan has always been his personality and his humor, he's not really that funny but his podcasts often go on these long tangents that are intriguing to watch, it's during these tangents however is when the shitty sexism and transphobia gets slipped in. Now looking at the situation it's kinda creepy how so many comedians in the west coast suck up to him, he regularly visits the comedy club there and like I think he may or may not have a strangle hold on the comedy scene there, and it's also astounding how many of his past friends have gotten hit with a sexual harassment scandal yet he remains unscathed.
Either way I'm glad my Rogan phase has ended, and if you know someone who's in their Rogan phase I think the best way to shake them out of it is not to make fun of Rogan himself but to pick a part at the people who visit his show, and then criticize Rogan for even allowing people onto his show. Rogan has a persona of being a gullible figure that leads many of his fans to defend him, saying he's just an everyman when he's literally a millionaire.
Damn, that was an interesting perspective. I hope a lot of people read this!
You sound like you've experienced a pretty advanced political spectrum in your time as a teenager and it's nice to see that you followed your conscience when presented with a challenge to your views. This doesn't mean to avoid challenges to your views, like in debate. What I mean is, keep challenging your views, don't be afraid of losing debates with people who know things that you don't because if you stay honest like that, sooner or later every debate for you ends with you talking over their head and them trolling just to save face -- not that winning debates online matters or even feels good, not to me anyway. When it's revealed that the person who is arguing with me is full of it, I feel aggravated that they wasted my time in hope that they'll get a free lesson while being an jerk to a "Dem". Some of this might sound familiar to you experience already.
Good luck! You sound like a reasonable young adult, and we need more reasonable adults in America.
What is your take on Bill Burr? I came across him relatively recently and liked some of what I saw, and yikesed at other parts. Also saw an article where he gave a cringe take on Gina Carano. He was entertaining in Breaking Bad.
Don't really know anything else about him.
The rest was a nice read and I'm glad that you were always socially progressive while also evolving from a more nuanced perspective.
I was not so fortunate. I was very conservative until my medical problems started. It took my entire life, and myself, completely falling apart to build back up as a progressive.
I'd never wish that on anyone.
Liar!! Bobby Lee has never been on the jre podcast, nor have toe rogan been on Bobby's. Honestly, calling the effeminate, quirky Bobby Lee one of the quintessential "bro-comedians" is so out of touch, even if that one specifically might be a matter of opinion. Bert Kreisher? Sure.. Brenda schaub? Absolutely (even if calling him a "comedian" is stretch)..
@@mechanomics2649 honestly I was in denial about Bill Burr for a while bc I do think unlike Joe Rogan, that Bill Burr is actually like really funny. Rogan is a funny guy w a podcast but you're mostly laughing at him because of his bumbling persona, but like Burr is legit a funny comedian, when he's not joking about how much he hates women like in his older routines.
That being said, Burr fans are outright one of the most racist and sexist Fanbases I was a part of, like legit the shit they say about his wife, who's a black woman, on a weekly basis is disgusting.
Rogan has some fascists who follow him, but Burr fans are legit really bad I might even say worse. Rogan's platform touches more people than Burr's but I would argue the worst Burr fan is worse than the worst Rogan fan, and is more common.
I personally don't believe that Burr himself is actually a fascist, he actually seems like a much more decent person than Rogan, because Burr time and time again tells everyone he's an idiot and not to listen to him while Rogan tries to come off as an intellectual.
There's a humbleness to him and a self awareness that kind of puts you at ease and assures you he isn't some alt right hate monster. His friend Patrice Oneal, a comedian who past away like years ago, wasn't exactly the most progressive person, in fact he's said much worse shit than Bill Burr AND Rogan, but Bill hosted an event for him to raise money for his mom, and I think that's showing that he has a heart who cares about other people.
I even understand that while he does drag women through alot he brings up good points about the unfairness of divorces when it comes to custody battles, and he does have a general resentment towards big business and is somewhat class conscious.
I think he's unfiltered and messy and even stubborn but at the end of the day I think he genuinely cares about people and I've seen him grow in a somewhat messy way.
I also think however that people lose the nuance that he admits himself that he's a moron trying to understand this stuff. Despite the fact that one of his running gags is to tell his audience "don't listen to me I don't read", there are many "men's rights activist" types who treat his jokes like gospel.
I also think that someone who has made jokes in the past about black people being genetically better at sports than white men, trans women being "men beating women with their severed dicks", liberal bloggers who want to "cancel" someone, secret societies that are controlling the population, and the numerous genocide jokes, that he invites white supremacists. Despite his underwhelming condemnations of these groups, his content attracts these people.
Even in his newest special he made a joke about how Covid killed only the weak, how it didn't kill enough, and how Kyle Rittenhouse might be rejected by the klan bc of his "pouty lips." So like I think that Burr is probably a decent guy who is really ignorant, but I think his ignorance ultimately outdoes whatever he is like in his personal life. This is coming from someone who's watched every special and followed his podcast for years and even till this day looks back on jokes he's done and still laughs.
Honestly though most people from that East Coast comedy scene were really bad. Like the west coast has Rogan and his weird PCP/Uber Fitness cult thing, but the east coast had the Opie and Anthony show and that shit was way worse than Rogan's podcast.
Like literally they called Muslims all kinds of awful slurs and they openly said homophobic slurs, the host Anthony Cumia was fired because he took photos of a black woman without her permission, and when she confronted him about it he shared it on Twitter calling her multiple racist and sexist slurs. Anthony Cumia is now a good friend of Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes.
The comedy scene that created Bill Burr, Jim Norton, Louis CK, Patrice Oneal Howard Stern, like that shit was vile. It was a boys club and the leaders were racist incels, legit they were the original incels. So like I think it's important to understand that as well, and see how even in comedy, this thing that so many liberals and free speech warriors try to convey as this completely harmless thing, has been dominated by white supremacists and incels.
The thing no one is mentioning is... as with most humans in general, they have opinions you agree with and disagree with. Joe is no different. Despite a lot of opinions I don't agree with him as well as some of his takes, I still respect areas of his own expertise such as MMA fighting (he knows what he's talking about with BJJ), and comedy. There are other takes he has that are not radical at all, but they don't make a good news headline which is why no one ever talks about them. The rest are his takes that are more wacky and out there, which is what the media puts on blast to discredit him.
Unfortunately, people will throw out the baby with the bathwater. Just because you don't agree with someone on a point, or even multiple points, it doesn't make other points any less true. This is why I hate the idea of labels. When you've labeled someone a certain way, you've already begun to censorship ALL ideas, even the good ones, out of your own view. This is quite dangerous as it is actually what creates ignorance.
The first time I ever heard of Joe Rogan was when some late night host said "he was to men what Paltrow was to women."
Then I recently found out he was the Fear Factor dude, so I did know him before.
That is a shockingly good comparison, wow
Only ever heard of Joe Rogan from Leftists roasting him, so my view of him wasn't very good to begin with. Thought he was a useful idiot for the right. And yeah, literally my best friend for ten+ years got his brain melted by a combo of Joe Rogan + Jordan Peterson. Last I heard he's an angry incel who goes on endless rants about women not wanting him (he used to be very popular with the ladies back when he was more of a Sensitive Artist type, so lol). Idk about anything further, he threw me out of his life for allegedly being a "feminazi" who wanted to "make him trans" after I sent him an anti-JP video that he never actually watched. It was about how JP radicalizes people and they end up behaving how my friend did. Mighta learned something, but he just got mad over the video title alone and went on a massive rant that was pretty homophobic, misogynistic and ableist towards me (I'm an autistic AFAB nb person who's into women). Oh well!
I'm disappointed because I genuinely believed he was better than that, but according to my psychologist he was actually p verbally abusive towards me and was gaslighting me, so good riddance. I'm actually super happy with my life rn, seeing an awesome woman and have a huge LGBT friend group. Wonder how things turned out for him, lol.
He's sadly, most likely, still an even angrier incel...
Sorry you had to deal with someone like that! Glad to hear your life is improving! 😄
I think you could have a problem..
Which anti-JP video was this? Like who was the creator of the video.
Your misrable
@@barrierouse which one?
Rogan is fine with "struggling families" receiving UBI. But not "every person." You know what he means right? Like a lot of conservatives, he's actually heavily biased against single people.
still the #1 podcast in the world... I wouldn't call that a downfall.
I really enjoyed his content back in the day when he would bring on people to talk about spirituality, UFO's, ghosts and lost civilisations. Was just a chill environment where people speculated about the weirder aspects of our world. Sad that he's dropped all that in favour of chasing the right wing grift dollars.
Yeah but these people are the easiest people to grifter on though, you can be the dumbest fucker on earth and can make alot of money off of right wingers.
For me, Joe massively dropping in quality started when he invited charlatans like that talking about nonsense. 😅
I also love how the people who say "well get through this" are not the people dying of lack of healthcare and getting booted out of their homes by economic downturns in the meantime. Sure its easy to say that when you wont be the one who dies or are severely hamstrung by the negative effects of any of it.
I first encountered Joe Rogan in my Tulsi fase, when Tulsi Gabbard destroyed Kamala Harris in the primaries. I actually immediately didn't like him and he always seemed like the general conservative "alfa male" to me.
I think the subreddit would really like RM Brown who is constantly making fun of and critiquing Rogan
I first found Rogan when he did that podcast with Sargon. It kind of surprises me to hear that just now people are putting together where his sympathies can go
"UBI bad cause if people have money then they won't need to work."
Truly magical, the mind of a child is.
First came across Rogan on that old show Newsradio with the great snl comic Phil Hartman. Then saw him some years later doing a standup bit critical of reality tv and making a joke about rupert murdoch.
He wasn't really funny on that show but he was working with hartmann and Andy dick and Dave Foley so it shows his comedy is just subpar.
"there's a lot more entitlement than there used to be back in the day"
...Coming from the most entitled generation there has ever been. Nice.
"if the government don't ban these gays and lesbians from my screen because it makes *me* uncomfortable there'll be riots!"
"How dare you feel entitled to *live* and be paid fairly like a fucking spoiled brat???"
It's really really weird watching one of those super early covid interviews with Joe Rogan and... a real doctor. And then looking at what he's done in the past year.
His interview was really good and he was able to TALK and give real advice and Joe Rogan shut up.
1. Honestly I was never really aware of him until he started to go crazy in COVID. HOWEVER, he is from the same working class type background as my family (construction) and if you recall that time when someone said they don't need construction regulation he went nuts and said that was the ridiculous, he worked in that, he knows how many corners are cut, they absolutely need it. I think that's a pretty great take and it tells me he really was a working class guy and not a pretend one like libertarians are.
2. The same people who had their brain melted are also JBP fans too
I agree, he doesn't push back. All he does is blindly agree with whoever is on. That's why I stopped listening to him long before the pandemic.
My first exposure to Rogan was his podcast with Leah Remini which I found while taking a dive into Scientology. I didn’t find him to be a particularly compelling interviewer so I just forgot about him until he started getting massive coverage for being awful.
That's my main issue with Rogan. He doesn't prepare. He can have a guest saying the stupidest things and Rogan goes: "Hm, interesting. I didn't know that." Of course you didn't, you bonehead. Nobody does because it's true.
That leads to another issue. Many of his guests, as well as Roagan himself, despise "postmodernism." Rogan is the very expression of postmodernism. At least of eclecticism or "junk postmodernism," as identified by Lyotard. Eclecticism is the idea that there are no facts. Only opinions. Knowledge is a matter for TV games. Anything goes. Money--popularity--is the only yardstick.
I just find it all embarrassing.
He literally says, "I read something briefly, and I didn't get into the article..." Then Joe, you don't know wtf you're talking about
He turned... Gray. Like, his energy and his actual appearance... He's had this sickly, silverish-white appearance since he contracted covid...
I’m an old Rogan head. I started listening in 2012, only a few years into the podcast. From 2009-2011 I was watching Alex Jones, before it was obvious he was a Right Winger, so when Joe Rogan appeared on his show and in his latest doc at the time I though Joe’s conspiracy takes were more sane and he used to have a very spiritual-centric show adjacent to his comedy/standup friends. Duncan Trussell and Graham Hancock were my two favorites, and I still listen to Duncan’s show to this day, but not Joe and definitely not Alex.
Like you said, Joe Rogan (along with Russel Brand and others) made a more Right Wing shift after 2020, but as a long time fan I can say Joe started changing in 2015 once he started having more and more Right Wing guests and the 2016 election happened. For me, the conspiracy rabbit hole I fell into had me questioning everything (what I thought Joe’s SciFi show would be like) and I became distrustful of ALL politics, yet it wasn’t enough for me to ignore the rise of reactionaries during the Trump era. Looking back, I’m surprised Joe didn’t immediately call out all Trump’s bullshit since he wasn’t afraid to do the same for Bush Clinton and even Obama. My only guess was since so many were he wanted to avoid being like everyone else, BUT calling shit out for what it is used to be HIS thing. Not wanting to talk about Trump because everyone else was to me was a misstep for him.
Joe never really held allegiance to a party, always thought outside of the box, entertained some crazy conspiracies, but now he feels like an empty shell for whoever is his guest that week. It’s been a running gag since 2016/2017 that Joe’s opinions change with his guest and rarely gives pushback to any of them, unless it’s Eddie Bravo 😂
Libertarian to Boomer conservative shift arc.
1,000 a month would save my life
I encountered Joe Rogan when he obsessed over DMT and all other psychedelics. Honestly that's the best of his Podcasts to be honest
DMT and Elk meat 😭
I listened to Joe Rogan until the beginning of last year. It was definitely the repetition that I couldn't take anymore. Dude was just spending half of every episode bitching about the pandemic, no matter who the guest was. Now I look like an asshole because I used to defend him as not as conservative as everyone said. RIP.
All of those n words were red flags for this.
That compilation made me so sad. I remember listening to him when I had found out I had cancer and I didn’t have health insurance. This was a month after I got laid off of my job and broke up with my girlfriend. This dude pulled me through a very rough time. I miss him when he was a nice guy. Nowadays I can barely listen to leftists react to him. This was a great video by the way. I love your takes man
wow... hope you’re doing better now!
@@ianianianianian definitely doing better now.
He moved to Texas.
His subreddit is bailing because it’s Reddit. Twitter and Reddit are the biggest cesspits on the internet
I first started listening to Joe back in 2012 because I was actually searching for old Attack of the Show clips on YT. I found instead a podcast called Pointless with Kevin Pereira where he was interviewing 2 of the AOTS co hosts. This got me into podcasts and Pointless was done by Deathsquad TV, which also ran JRE at the time. I had a Positive view of Joe especially back then, since he was also a public figure that was into psychedelics and his podcast was fun to watch while high.
The JRE podcasts with Kevin Pereira were freaking awesome.
When I hear about Australia being talked about by these weirdos, it's always nonsense. We do have lots of issues here but the federal police aren't black bagging my wife's capsicum (bell pepper) plant or rosemary bush. Complete rubbish.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.. what downfall????
That's comment about the "misinformation --> libs freak out --> it must be true" is so freaking poignant
@5:51 Wait, what, Joe Rogan used to be in favor of vaccines? LOL.
I really hope the Joe Rogan subreddit turns into the Dave Rubin subreddit. All they do is just make fun of him.
You'd think he would verify the story re: Australia before broadcasting it. I'm starting to think he didn't graduate from an accredited journalism school.
It’s kinda sad to watch. Don’t like Rogan never did. He did feel like he might believe in something.’
Rogan used to be super.interesting to me and inspired me to start my own podcast where we get high and talk about shit.
His Doug Stamet episode also.convinced me to delve into psychedelics.
Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller, had a Radio show in 2006-2007.. he brought on Joe Rogan and Phil Plait, to 'debate' the moon landing hoaxes that Joe Rogan believed.
I had known of him being the guy who hosted a show called Fear Factor, but this was the first time I had ever heard Joe Rogan and he was some conspiracy theorist, whom I immediately had a negative view towards (for being into all sorts of conspiracy theories). I had no idea he had a podcast until 2013? When he came out hard against Fallon Fox the Transgender Woman who was in MMA.. and view of him as a hateful Transphobe and Conspiracy Theorist.. made it very hard to see why so many people kept trying to defend him.. or why anyone was surprised by his vaccine positions or why he had so many right wingers on and so few left wing people on.
^ this.
in what fucking world is joe ever been left wing?
he's always been a right wing faux populist, and the truth of it was abundantly revealed by the way he's gone since the spotify deal and his hard shift towards right wing economic beliefs.
"Downfall?" $100M is one hell of a thing to fall down on.
I didn't know Joe Rogan was progressive before the pandemic. I always saw him as some centrist and reactionary. Did I have the wrong impression about him? Because I was not a fan and he mostly annoyed me, overall.
I started watching Rogan in 2016-2017 and it was great. 2019 his Bernie interview was great. But the last 2 years...the dude shaved brain cells from covid
Yeah, certainly looks like the “cognitive impairment” thing hit Rogan pretty hard.
You know, some people don't really care about whether a given issue is "left" or "right". Some people just have feelings and/or beliefs about various issues, and they don't care that much about politics.
You're just so damn concerned with political alignment, and you keep claiming that listeners are turning against podcast personalities just because they take position A or position B, or because they've got enough integrity to change their minds and not try to hide it. People with alot of listeners gain and lose handfuls of listeners, all the time. That's not news.
You have a talent for saying just about NOTHING of substance for 40 minutes at a time. Gawd... you don't even explain your opinions. You just pass shallow partisan judgment as though you're the arbiter of good & bad, and you go on, and on, and on...
The titles of your videos seemed interesting. I guess I'm the sucker for taking you seriously.
He's still rich. He's still popular. He's still got a podcast with millions of subscribers. I don't see this downfall you speak of. To each his own. I find him very entertaining and his guests have very interesting points of view. He's had an equal number of "left and Right" folks on there. Some very good info has come from that podcast. I don't see this deluge of "conservative" talk...what I see are many "conservative" guests who actually make some sense if you take the time to listen. The name of a person doesn't always mean they will be who you think they are. Many of these people are political actors. On JRE, they seem to bring themselves, not their personas, and the conversations are quite interesting. I'm an avid listener. I don't always agree with him or his guests, but within a 3hr conversation there's always something to learn or agree with. As a black man, I think he's a bit tone deaf when it comes to black issues, but I still watch because he does have some great conversations. If I really can't stand the subject, I just skip ahead. All in all, dude's not that bad.
Your a foreigner talking about Americans is like Jeff Jefferies talking about our guns. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!.