There were custom guns like that in this era. Remington model 8s as well, sometimes outfitted with 20 rd box mags. Too bad the military couldn’t get their heads around the semi auto advantages for another 30 years
по тем временам 1903 года , этот карабин ,опередил историю с полуавтоматом стрельбы ,тем более с магазином ,как у пистолета .На его основе , Германия создаст карабин ShturmGever -42/43 ,а в СССР зделают СВС-36 , СВТ - 38/41, АК -47/ АКМ/СВД
Who knows? Maybe it can even read DNA! 🧬 Somebody would have to disprove that, because you never know, I mean, it LOOKS like just an old magazine, but there could be more than meets the eye! 😆🤣
@@geigertec5921The semiautomatic rifles were more expensive to produce, and when outfitting entire armies, price is key. Also, semiauto weapons were new and somewhat unproven in battle. Finally, military leaders still had relied on battle tactics originating in the Napoleonic era. They were afraid soldiers would waste too much ammo with bolt action rifles, let alone semiautomatic ones. Interestingly though, there are cases where semi automatic weapons were used in the war. This was on a very small scale though.
@@geigertec5921They had Alot of back and forth about different options back then, but the main reason I forget which general or top brass guy was against it just like back when they went from beach loading up to mag (grunt's will just waste all the ammo, get scared and either dump all of it or runout of what they had on them as they didn't carry Much) plus they were worried about reliability issues, training soldiers to fix things like jam's mid fight in stress, don't have to retrain the entire armory staff and less stuff to break for them to need to fix, cost was another BIG deal and I'm not sure how quickly they could have pumped out these guns even if somehow they had Winchester and Remington making the exact same gun and caliber (never would happen) ontop of the civilian success they had and we also already had them busy with regular rifle's, pistol etc for us and our ally's the main one being we NEEDED as many of those sweet sweet trench brooms of freedom for the Germans tench's so they could cry more, the other big thing is in almost every military situation it's hard for regular people to understand the scale they're operating on . They need all these guns, spare parts, trained repairman, a logistical and reliable pipeline of more components, guns or anything related for before and during war, Also we as a country had REALLY started to come together as a serious military power now that we got our independence, natives, Mexicans, Spanish, French, British again twice... And our civil war... Then again Spain and somehow the Philippines then Guam.. we pretty much been at war sense we had the first one to exist, the civil war was obviously a HUGE setback as we took the hit of both armies and then we had to build railroads to connect all of our people to be one full country because we're so spread out and then of course stop all the natives rating on the way over, and then from there they were still coming out of the civil war and into the late pretty much the same way as we left the civil war with a lot of guys using Springfield trapdoor rifles which are single shot breach loaders, or alot of modified muskets to breach loaded of different caliber, manufacturer it was a shit show and Alot of guys brought there own guns, like if they had a lever gun so we started really trying to be a giant cohesive force now we are all one, The Spanish war REALLY opened our eyes as to how bad of shape we were and how Superior they were compared to us with tactics equipment and everything and we basically copied a lot of things that they did but luckily we still won but they are the exact reason why we went from using the old school ball looking ammunition from the old rifles that you see into the new modern type rifles that are pointier that you see all over the place in the military like the 30 06.. it's called a spitzer bullet and WAYY more accurate, areo dynamic and does insane damage especially with more weight in the back they saw tumbling and expanding/fragmenting rounds for the first time and They Also had modern bolt action rifles so we dropped everything and the entire military agreed on a bolt action, magazine held stripper clip fed full size and power battle rifle and they had weird ideas about range and different things but whatever. So basically from the start of the 1900s we all agreed on the 1903 model rifle and I think it was showing a little before that started getting produced and we started buying them up for a military so now we all had the same done same parts I wanted to have one for every single soldier as well as ammunition storage foreverybody and parts as well and it was a very powerful rifle for the time super advanced almost no issues and you could hit somebody as far as you can see and you could actually go through pretty good armor and even really early tanks from up close. It takes a long time to get half a million rifle's, parts all the logistics trained armorer's, training for marksmen, and a shit ton of ammo storage. The first world war started in 1917 I believe and I don't think it by then they still had everything done yet which was 15 years later and it would have been that much worse if in 1908 or so they saw this new rifle and reset all over again and the benefit really wouldn't have been that great compared like yeah you might have had a little bit more but for all the extra effort and then it's an untested weapon and doctorine... Plus mounted real deal machine guns started being the norm as well as mortars, armored vehicles and all new tactics... other big problem most of the war was locked in trench warfare, semi auto rifle would not be much of a help and every army had big old rifle's and trenches were not close per say but not too far and taking pot shots and all the sniper's who specialize in trench sniper fights or sneaking out and sniping the man on the machine gun And keep killing any new ones while you're Men charge... Using a (for that time) EXTREMELY underpowered cartridge If I recall it's not much better than . 30 carbine was nowhere near the range, accuracy, power and retained power at range to blast barriers etc, the 30.06 is going to shoot way beyond your eyes and might kill someone a mile away at chow for all u know lol bullet drop and all was worse on the semi as well, they weren't the new style spitzer bullet and that's what they wanted, then of course the B. A. R. being the same caliber and similar size but heavier and the new mounted mg's with shotgun's and 1911 up close the bolts were just there for filler and cover fire, that ontop of the browning. 50 and . 3006 machine guns and the B. A. R. All the same caliber ( not. 50 but yeah) ALOT Less logistics as . 50 was more anti everything but personel.
I remember seeing Louisiana State Troopers with these back in the early 60's. They had extended mags in them like 15 or 20 rounders. It was an issued rifle back in the day.
I've seen rifles that had to wound up like a watch and old grease guns had cranks on them. But yeah this one is interesting too. Kinda like a backwards paint ball gun.
@@Whiskey-cr9dq John Moses Browning had patented the charging handle on the bolt, who then sold it to Remington as part of the Model 8 self loading rifle. So Winchester couldnt use it.
And also the locked breach was patented at this time. So this rifle was a straight blowback and it really pushed the limits for a rifle that was to compete with the Remington Model 8. This rifle did see service in World War 1. Prior to machineguns, air crews needed a way to shoot for whatever reason, so the French bought some 1907s. The Model 8 was also used for this role.
@@prointernetuser Could be anything from complexity to price to reliability in adverse conditions. Early semi auto rifles had a whole host of issues that made them a pain. Though from the look of it this rifle was a combination of lack of demand as the role it was to fill was better served by other weapons at the time, price as it was relatively pricey though not nearly as much as you would think and bad timing. It began production in well 1907 in a time period where the US was in its isolationist mindset.
Actually the 1907 in 351 Self Loader, what we see here, was shipped in bulk to the French in WWI.. It served effectively, however dye to its limited range. It was not widely desired. Ballistics very similar to today's 350 Legend..180 gr Buller at about 2250 fps..
@ProtikPC_pro_indigo I used a Super X2 for years, and bought an X3 when they came out, for duck & goose hunting. You can shoot 3½ mags all day & not feel a thing
@ProtikPC_pro_indigo You'll like this then! I was fortunate enough to grow up 15 minutes from a gun club & started shooting clays at 10 years old. By my mid to late 20's, I had acquired a nice little collection of higher end over & unders, and sporting semi's. I bought my SX2 just before the start of early goose season, and decided to take it to the club for one of our regular outings, to get a feel for it. The first time I ever shot it, I blew away my personal record on the skeet field with it!
I used to not be a fan of classic guns when I was like 14-18. I wanted the newest and coolest AR semi auto platform. Now I’m 24 and find these old guns absolutely fascinating.
Its funny you say that, I was in our Units Combat and pistol team, and being in the National Guard at the time we were allowed to sign out our weapons and take them home. No joke. fully auto M16 1988 to 1999 is when I was in. But today, i dont even own an AR15, I prefer Lever Action rifles, shotguns and I do have a .45 and a .357. But i love my lever action .357. Its crazy accurate and easy to operate.
@@spudthegreaterusa8386 I couldn’t imagine being able to take my m27 or m45 back home to shoot lol. I bet if we could a lot of Marines would have better qual scores.
@jacobkean03 Hey, the ironic thing is I was in the Airforce. A KC 135 Crewchief. Go figure right. But it was completely legal, just most members didnt take advantage of it.
The quality ones, yes, I totally get that! Wood is good and blue is a sweet hue! I do like some moderns, but they have to be really something. For me, it’s a certain style that matches a certain mood.
@@shockwave6416Oldies pretty much have the look and their performance isn’t necessarily less than moderns. I’m also about the worst human being for taking digs at certain guns because of the looks or the name, if there’s something to go by, like high jam rates and mech problems. Like the Rossi, I just say Janice Rossi, if you’re familiar with the 1990 movie GoodFellas. 😆😈🤣 You cannot really have fun w/o making fun.
@@grahambrown1980i mean if that was true precision benchrest wouldnt be domimated by fiberglass, carbon fiber, and alloy metal chassis. Wood looks good but it also swells and isnt exaclty the best for accuracy
My grandpa had one of these as a truck gun for years. It was older than he was, but it worked flawlessly. It had an aftermarket magazine and a short stock with a rubber shock absorber. It now belongs to his best friend Darryl, who still uses the old thing on a regular basis. I'd love to have one, but they're pretty steep these days...
Beautiful rifle. T. C. Johnson design the 1907 Winchester These were primarily used by prison guards. The .351 WSL came with 5,10 and20 round magazines. Its latter spinoff, the 1910 in .401 WSL was an absolute freight train of a cartridge. It developed over 2000 lbs/ft. at the muzzle.
It’s a rather big shame that odd guns like this aren’t produced today. Everything is just an AK or an AR on the inside, and I just want something unique.
Винтовка с автоматическим перезаряжанием? Вот это классно! Если бы у бойцов Красной Армии в июне 1941-го были такие винтари, то возможно не пришлось бы драпать аж до Москвы.
I don't think this video shows that we have progressed all that much. Optics are outdated. Obviously this weighs a little more than some modern rifles. But that can be debated as whether it's a pro or a con. Honestly this is a viable hunting/self defense/ and all around sport rifle to this day.
its direct blow back it has no delay like with a gas system. just know it didnt catch on because it puts alot of wear on the internals when firing big boy bullets. direct blow back still works fine and is used to this day with alot of smaller calibers
Just want to point out how difficult keeping “ECO” blued steel perfect over the ages is. My model 28-2 N frame which was my grandpas carry as a sheriff in the 60s has the original finish with next to zero pitting. With a 6inch muzzle it’s hard to keep clean in the wild. It also shoots a 3inch group at 75yrds consistent. Old= good still
I carry a Model 28-2 or a Colt Trooper Mk III on my security job. They are the best guns I have ever owned. But I sure would like to get my hands on that Winchester!!!
Pretty sure, more often than not, lead core bullets hitting steel targets always smash into a million pieces like hitting playdough with a sledgehammer
@@samaalizade2843apparently not the best warrior. The u.s. Marines bested them at every turn! I do have respect for them but to say they are the best is just wrong.
Weird rifle, but I kind of like it, it was for both left and right handed people 100 years before producers started care about left handers. And I very like this type of rear sight.
It's blowback operated with a massive breech block extension that goes all the way under the handguard. But that pressure's gotta still be hard to slow down.
Those rifles were also used by second seat gunners in WW1. Imagine the earliest days of aerial combat and guys shooting rifles and pistols at each other in a plane made of canvas and wood.
Can confirm the scrambler 1200 is 100% worth selling a few of the other bikes in order to afford. I picked up a 2019 XC in matte green with a brown leather seat for 9k with 3k miles on it. Most expensive vehicle of any kind I’ve ever bought but worth every penny. Jumped right on it and rode from the dealer in Tacoma down RT1 to Oceanside, then across the mts to Indio and on to Phoenix for a bit, then back to San Diego to put the bike on the boat home to Hawaii. Great bike, great trip, 10/10 would do again
This gun was issued to half the French armee de l'air and Royal flying corp during the first years of WWI... at the time machine guns were not really enstablished as defensive weapons on an aircraft so you had a guy with this thing shooting from the rear position of the airplane against incoming threats... the odds of hitting something was pretty negligible. That said this gung was a pretty engineering marvel for it's time!
Other early autoloaders include the Remington model 08 in .35 Remington and the first gas-op autoloader, Delaware's own "Standard Arms Corporation of Wilmington Delaware" Model G (for gas) also in .25, .30 and.35 Remington. It was about 70 years ahead of it's time as you could shut off the gas valve and switch it to pump action! That's right, it operated like a SPAS-12 back in 1911-1912! Standard also made a pump only version called the Model M (surprise!) They were only in production for about a year. There was also a Swiss made semi auto called "Mondragon" in 7x57mm Mauser that was issued to the Mexican army about 1907-1910.
@@theandycrunkmondragons of any variety are insanely pricy and rare, even incomplete ones have sold for 8k+. Probably much better to get a mauser. Personally I prefer the K98k but any model 98 mauser rifle will be great. Gewehr 98s in 7.92x57 Mauser were made for a lot of different countries over the years, turkish ones should be relatively inexpensive
Finally a video wherein he’s showing some respect and care for the firearm someone has placed in his care, and he’s not throwing it down and pouring rounds all over it.
You can see just how much oomph this unique round and cartridge has. Taking a hit in a ballistic vest or plate would probably feel like you just got hit with a cannonball.
It has about the same energy than standard issue US military 556 M855A1. Just looked it up because this felt wrong. Big bullets do big damage, medium bullets at twice the velocity do big damage with less weight and more range. Fuck grammar I'm drunk but also am gun nerd me right dyor ok love u bye grandma.
My dad had one of these, I hunted with it when i was a kid. He sold it a few years back. I'm pretty sad about it. It was my favorite gun he had and I've held.
Thank you for treating your items with care instead of **throwing* them on the table, like a fool, as so many others foolishly do. Ten out of Ten to you.
.351 win self loader cartridge is difficult to find, but not impossible. Or cheap. Which is why this round and maybe the only rifle chambered for it, are much more practical for a hand loader like myself. Dies are available and the rest is common components. The rifle itself is no longer a bargain however, and probably aren't going to decrease in value. Ever again. Also, there are high capacity magazines and I've seen a couple with pistol grips and carbine length barrels. This was quite advanced for 1907 and is now a great American classic firing a very cool round that many gun enthusiests have never even heard of, which I will always find much more desirable than another .35 rem or .308 any day. Very cool piece of American gun culture
Unlikely. Semi-auto doesn't help much when the weapon is overall more awkward to operate than a traditional bolt-action. The charging rod is in an unusual spot and would likely be hard to use with wet/muddy fingers. And, historically, spare mags weren't all that common back then, so the lack of a stripper clip guide doesn't do the 1907 any favors either.
@@Horgleradding lips for striper clips are easy enough, they did it on the Winchester for the Russians The cocking mechanisms though that’s definitely a problem
Hate to sound like l'm full of it, but 351 self loader was one of the most accurate auto I have ever shot shooting factory ammo that was about 50 to 60 years old. Could have been a fluke. Knock out the center of a target at 50 yards. All the bullet holes were over lapping. The rifle came from an estate sale along with the ammo. Crazy!
I've been a fervent fan of Winchester roughly since I turned 16 years old, and not once have I ever heard of, nor seen a 1907 before. This thing looks so cool. Stay safe, shoot straight!
Love these old Winchesters with these unique as fuck charging handles. Learned to shoot on one of the .22LR rifles they made and it has the same action. I forget the model and year of it but I wanna hunt one down for myself so badly. The nostalgia when I see videos of someone shooting/handling one. 😊
The one depicted here has the early round "button" style charger. Later version ( mine) utilizes a curved actuator on the end of the charger to help assist with turning the charger 90 degrees when fully depressed to actuate the bolt hold open function.
I had the predecessor to this rifle, the 1905. It was chambered in .35 Self Loading (.35SL). Sadly, it didn't attract any type of a following like the 1907 did, so the ammo disappeared completely. At least the .351 Winchester ammo still exists.
The model 1905 was .35 Winchester Self Loader. The 1907 was chambered for the improved .351WSL. Then came the M1910 in the mighty .401WSL! I'd like to point out that if they had just brought back the .351WSL, there would be no need for the .350 Legend.
@ivanthehunter3530 not really. Just like a pocket pistol, it's a relatively low chamber pressure round (under 40k psi, so magnum pistol range), using beefy brass, fast powders, and heavier than pistol bullets. So the pressure curve peaks rapidly, and falls off steeply. It has a HUGE bolt (that forend is basically a wooden skin filled with bolt mass), so plenty of inertia to overcome. As it doesn't require lubed brass (like many delayed blowback full power rifle rounds) or fluted chambers to prevent case head separations, we can presume the pressure has fallen markedly before the bolt travels much more than microscopically. So, it's really "balanced action" as opposed to incipient case bursting. It just has that super quick bolt speed because the spring rate is a bit low initially (it looks to be a progressive rate) to make cocking manageable, while still allowing reliable function. It's a genuine tightrope walk of engineering, lol. I'd bet it has fairly stout recoil compared to performance. It's also probably QUITE ammo sensitive, maybe one or 2 options of bullet weight/velocity It's an interesting design, but less versatile than say the long recoil remingtons it competed with.
The model 1907 was indeed .351 caliber. The model 1903 was .22 caliber. And the model 1910 was .401 caliber. All three were basically the exact same rifle, just different calibers. I still have my 1907.
I picked up a 351 at auction but missed the table with the ammo trying to find a box of 50 under a hundred seems near impossible now days, love the action and feel of the gun@@FoxWood2222
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mag fed semi auto in 1907 is insane. imagine if it held 20+ and had a pistol grip
There were custom guns like that in this era. Remington model 8s as well, sometimes outfitted with 20 rd box mags. Too bad the military couldn’t get their heads around the semi auto advantages for another 30 years
possibly too expensive. sadly its largely Politicians are who outfit our soldiers, not our generals@@jacobackley502
The 1903 model had a 10 round mag
They did. Gangster of the era did it all the time. They cut down b.a.r and Tommy's later on too.
по тем временам 1903 года , этот карабин ,опередил историю с полуавтоматом стрельбы ,тем более с магазином ,как у пистолета .На его основе , Германия создаст карабин ShturmGever -42/43 ,а в СССР зделают СВС-36 , СВТ - 38/41, АК -47/ АКМ/СВД
I bet that magazine knows the blood type of every person that's ever loaded it.
Nothings perfect 😅
That, exactly
Who knows? Maybe it can even read DNA! 🧬 Somebody would have to disprove that, because you never know, I mean, it LOOKS like just an old magazine, but there could be more than meets the eye! 😆🤣
@@douglascrawford4791That only applies to people. 😅
Mags like that really aren't hard to load and IF it were sharp enough to cut you when you load it you could just sand/file it smooth
What a game changer from 1907. Way before its time.
You are so lucky to have this and the ammo to shoot it.
Why the heck didn't they use this in WWI? Why did Winchester deliver lever guns to the Russians in WWI when they could have had these semi autos?
@@geigertec5921The semiautomatic rifles were more expensive to produce, and when outfitting entire armies, price is key. Also, semiauto weapons were new and somewhat unproven in battle. Finally, military leaders still had relied on battle tactics originating in the Napoleonic era. They were afraid soldiers would waste too much ammo with bolt action rifles, let alone semiautomatic ones. Interestingly though, there are cases where semi automatic weapons were used in the war. This was on a very small scale though.
@@geigertec5921They had Alot of back and forth about different options back then, but the main reason I forget which general or top brass guy was against it just like back when they went from beach loading up to mag (grunt's will just waste all the ammo, get scared and either dump all of it or runout of what they had on them as they didn't carry Much) plus they were worried about reliability issues, training soldiers to fix things like jam's mid fight in stress, don't have to retrain the entire armory staff and less stuff to break for them to need to fix, cost was another BIG deal and I'm not sure how quickly they could have pumped out these guns even if somehow they had Winchester and Remington making the exact same gun and caliber (never would happen) ontop of the civilian success they had and we also already had them busy with regular rifle's, pistol etc for us and our ally's the main one being we NEEDED as many of those sweet sweet trench brooms of freedom for the Germans tench's so they could cry more, the other big thing is in almost every military situation it's hard for regular people to understand the scale they're operating on . They need all these guns, spare parts, trained repairman, a logistical and reliable pipeline of more components, guns or anything related for before and during war, Also we as a country had REALLY started to come together as a serious military power now that we got our independence, natives, Mexicans, Spanish, French, British again twice... And our civil war... Then again Spain and somehow the Philippines then Guam.. we pretty much been at war sense we had the first one to exist, the civil war was obviously a HUGE setback as we took the hit of both armies and then we had to build railroads to connect all of our people to be one full country because we're so spread out and then of course stop all the natives rating on the way over, and then from there they were still coming out of the civil war and into the late pretty much the same way as we left the civil war with a lot of guys using Springfield trapdoor rifles which are single shot breach loaders, or alot of modified muskets to breach loaded of different caliber, manufacturer it was a shit show and Alot of guys brought there own guns, like if they had a lever gun so we started really trying to be a giant cohesive force now we are all one, The Spanish war REALLY opened our eyes as to how bad of shape we were and how Superior they were compared to us with tactics equipment and everything and we basically copied a lot of things that they did but luckily we still won but they are the exact reason why we went from using the old school ball looking ammunition from the old rifles that you see into the new modern type rifles that are pointier that you see all over the place in the military like the 30 06.. it's called a spitzer bullet and WAYY more accurate, areo dynamic and does insane damage especially with more weight in the back they saw tumbling and expanding/fragmenting rounds for the first time and They Also had modern bolt action rifles so we dropped everything and the entire military agreed on a bolt action, magazine held stripper clip fed full size and power battle rifle and they had weird ideas about range and different things but whatever. So basically from the start of the 1900s we all agreed on the 1903 model rifle and I think it was showing a little before that started getting produced and we started buying them up for a military so now we all had the same done same parts I wanted to have one for every single soldier as well as ammunition storage foreverybody and parts as well and it was a very powerful rifle for the time super advanced almost no issues and you could hit somebody as far as you can see and you could actually go through pretty good armor and even really early tanks from up close. It takes a long time to get half a million rifle's, parts all the logistics trained armorer's, training for marksmen, and a shit ton of ammo storage. The first world war started in 1917 I believe and I don't think it by then they still had everything done yet which was 15 years later and it would have been that much worse if in 1908 or so they saw this new rifle and reset all over again and the benefit really wouldn't have been that great compared like yeah you might have had a little bit more but for all the extra effort and then it's an untested weapon and doctorine... Plus mounted real deal machine guns started being the norm as well as mortars, armored vehicles and all new tactics... other big problem most of the war was locked in trench warfare, semi auto rifle would not be much of a help and every army had big old rifle's and trenches were not close per say but not too far and taking pot shots and all the sniper's who specialize in trench sniper fights or sneaking out and sniping the man on the machine gun And keep killing any new ones while you're Men charge... Using a (for that time) EXTREMELY underpowered cartridge If I recall it's not much better than . 30 carbine was nowhere near the range, accuracy, power and retained power at range to blast barriers etc, the 30.06 is going to shoot way beyond your eyes and might kill someone a mile away at chow for all u know lol bullet drop and all was worse on the semi as well, they weren't the new style spitzer bullet and that's what they wanted, then of course the B. A. R. being the same caliber and similar size but heavier and the new mounted mg's with shotgun's and 1911 up close the bolts were just there for filler and cover fire, that ontop of the browning. 50 and . 3006 machine guns and the B. A. R. All the same caliber ( not. 50 but yeah) ALOT Less logistics as . 50 was more anti everything but personel.
I have the gun. Not the ammo tho. Need to learn how to handload.
@@andrewmaximo4485look up the parent case and or the SAMMI specs and convert brass to that cartridge. Hardest part is finding the dies...
John Moses Browning may be our Lord and Savior, but Winchester is a Covert of fuckin' Gun Wizards
Best comment on here lol
@@jeffreysolomon9980 😎👍
Covert?
Um, Winchester was often Browning's sole patron, ever since the 1886 Winchester. Bags of money would show up, and wonderful guns would result.
Made a great movie too 😂
I remember seeing Louisiana State Troopers with these back in the early 60's. They had extended mags in them like 15 or 20 rounders. It was an issued rifle back in the day.
What's it chambered in?
@@DavidGregory-qw4ws .351 Self Loading
Thanx
That's fucking sweet
Siren enthusiast?
One of the most unique charging mechanisms I've ever seen on a rifle. But hey, if it works, it works!
They had to do it that way because Browning had patented a handle on the bolt and he abd winchester had fallen out in the 1890's.
I've seen rifles that had to wound up like a watch and old grease guns had cranks on them. But yeah this one is interesting too. Kinda like a backwards paint ball gun.
@@smackarel7I thought it was Remington?
@@Whiskey-cr9dq John Moses Browning had patented the charging handle on the bolt, who then sold it to Remington as part of the Model 8 self loading rifle. So Winchester couldnt use it.
And also the locked breach was patented at this time. So this rifle was a straight blowback and it really pushed the limits for a rifle that was to compete with the Remington Model 8.
This rifle did see service in World War 1. Prior to machineguns, air crews needed a way to shoot for whatever reason, so the French bought some 1907s. The Model 8 was also used for this role.
This gun was one of the many that ended Bonnie and Clyde’s rampage
Frank Hamer used one of those rifles. I have heard that he killed over fifty men & was wounded seventeen times in his career.
Yes you are correct Sir.
@@robertsansone1680highway men on Netflix: partner asks him: how much bullets you got floating around in you?.. ❤🎉
fuck bonnie and fuck clyde how people idolises bad people is beyond me.
@@robertsansone1680he used the Remington version. Called the Remington auto loading or model 8
It ejects so fast you can hardly see the empty case fly out. Weird design, but it obviously works very well.
probably too expensive or complex to be adopted by armies at the time.
@@prointernetuser Could be anything from complexity to price to reliability in adverse conditions. Early semi auto rifles had a whole host of issues that made them a pain. Though from the look of it this rifle was a combination of lack of demand as the role it was to fill was better served by other weapons at the time, price as it was relatively pricey though not nearly as much as you would think and bad timing. It began production in well 1907 in a time period where the US was in its isolationist mindset.
Actually the 1907 in 351 Self Loader, what we see here, was shipped in bulk to the French in WWI.. It served effectively, however dye to its limited range. It was not widely desired. Ballistics very similar to today's 350 Legend..180 gr Buller at about 2250 fps..
@@prointernetuser Actually it's very simple. A straight blowback design
Great, great grandpa’s AR - this would be one sweet piece to collect
Over 100 years old and still fires like a champ
Love how he lovingly puts the rifle down. And that's one of the fastest ejected shells I've ever seen.
Simple, uncomplicated, sleek and so beautiful to look at and hold.
A classic in every respect.
The fit & finish look beautiful, and everything seems so smooth. Gotta admit, I was expecting more recoil
@@jrsmith3344 make no mistake, Winchester rifles pack a tremendous punch. Their recoil is misleading. That's the brilliance of their engineering.
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I used a Super X2 for years, and bought an X3 when they came out, for duck & goose hunting. You can shoot 3½ mags all day & not feel a thing
@@jrsmith3344 yep! Precisely what I was talking earlier ! The shotgun of shotguns !!
@ProtikPC_pro_indigo
You'll like this then! I was fortunate enough to grow up 15 minutes from a gun club & started shooting clays at 10 years old. By my mid to late 20's, I had acquired a nice little collection of higher end over & unders, and sporting semi's. I bought my SX2 just before the start of early goose season, and decided to take it to the club for one of our regular outings, to get a feel for it. The first time I ever shot it, I blew away my personal record on the skeet field with it!
I used to not be a fan of classic guns when I was like 14-18. I wanted the newest and coolest AR semi auto platform. Now I’m 24 and find these old guns absolutely fascinating.
Это очень хорошо, чем старше становишься, тем больше очарования находишь в жизни, главное это осознавать! Счастья и всего самого доброго!
Its funny you say that, I was in our Units Combat and pistol team, and being in the National Guard at the time we were allowed to sign out our weapons and take them home. No joke. fully auto M16 1988 to 1999 is when I was in. But today, i dont even own an AR15, I prefer Lever Action rifles, shotguns and I do have a .45 and a .357. But i love my lever action .357. Its crazy accurate and easy to operate.
@@spudthegreaterusa8386 I couldn’t imagine being able to take my m27 or m45 back home to shoot lol. I bet if we could a lot of Marines would have better qual scores.
@@user-nt1qj1eu6q Looks like Russian? can you translate to English?
@jacobkean03 Hey, the ironic thing is I was in the Airforce. A KC 135 Crewchief. Go figure right. But it was completely legal, just most members didnt take advantage of it.
American ASMR.
fr 🇺🇸
America loves their guns 💪🇺🇸🔫❤
🗿☕ some men enjoy this too
I'm not American but I love this too!
@@bagaktv8984i bet ur Russian
Для 1907 года у него прекрасное сочетание
Простота и удобство. Чудо инженерии того времени. Браво.
Хотя я и пацифист.😊
Toda pessoa de bem que tem uma arma é pacifista. Que é diferente de desarmamentista.
What does being a pacifist have anything to do with loving guns????????😂😂😂😂
Beautiful example of early 1900's craftsmanship
Back when people cared about great products
Absolutely.
Old guns have character and shoot such good groups. I like blue and wood over all this new material any day.
The quality ones, yes, I totally get that! Wood is good and blue is a sweet hue! I do like some moderns, but they have to be really something. For me, it’s a certain style that matches a certain mood.
@@shockwave6416Oldies pretty much have the look and their performance isn’t necessarily less than moderns. I’m also about the worst human being for taking digs at certain guns because of the looks or the name, if there’s something to go by, like high jam rates and mech problems.
Like the Rossi, I just say Janice Rossi, if you’re familiar with the 1990 movie GoodFellas. 😆😈🤣 You cannot really have fun w/o making fun.
@@grahambrown1980i mean if that was true precision benchrest wouldnt be domimated by fiberglass, carbon fiber, and alloy metal chassis. Wood looks good but it also swells and isnt exaclty the best for accuracy
@@darrengarcia4937 True, but I would try my best not to get my best shooting irons all wet. I appreciate good modern designs as well. 🤠
@@shockwave6416*laughs in high ammo capacity and modularity*
For anyone who wonders what this gun is chambered in
It's .351 SL
My father had one chambered in .401. Loved that rifle
Thank you, that was my exact question.
Thank you!
Thank you! I was wondering.
Was definitely trying to see the cartridges with my magnifying glass. Thanx.
My grandpa had one of these as a truck gun for years. It was older than he was, but it worked flawlessly. It had an aftermarket magazine and a short stock with a rubber shock absorber.
It now belongs to his best friend Darryl, who still uses the old thing on a regular basis.
I'd love to have one, but they're pretty steep these days...
Plus you're an adult man with tails as your pfp. Theres a reason your grandad left that gun to his best friend and not you 😂
How well each part fits, the cartridge clip, as a single mechanism...
this is a work of art.
Winchester really make some fine weapons
No question about it
Did
Isn't that a JM Browning design?
@@lesbratton No, which is why Winchester had to do a few "work-arounds" (like the cocking action) due to patents the John M. Browning owned!
@@lesbrattonJohnson design.
Every single bf1 medic main "THATZ DA M1907 SL SWEEPR FROM BF1"
i used to go crazy with it on bf1😔
@@judsonthrasher9816 Same.
Thank you
You guys know that people still play BF1, mainly Shock Ops and Operations when it’s later in the day.
@@AleksKieca I still play it regularly
A beautiful weapon.
It's gorgeous...
It's a firearm.. it's not a weapon until or unless it's used against a person you know like a hammer or pencil..
🤩🤩🤩Какое интересное оружие, никогда не видел этот винтовки / ружья, спасибо за информацию!
Ха, взвести эту винтовку можно, уперев в камень, забор, кучу других предметов. Даже однорукий справится. Гениально.
I loved this gun in Battlefield 1 & 5
Especially the Sweeper in BF1 and Full Auto in BF5.
You know, giving my finger a break.
Same
That’s the game I first saw it on! Cool rifle!
Came here for this comment
Shame they don't have it in Red Dead
Семейство винчестеров, как отдельный вид произведения искусства
Well said.
Beautiful rifle. T. C. Johnson design the 1907 Winchester These were primarily used by prison guards. The .351 WSL came with 5,10 and20 round magazines. Its latter spinoff, the 1910 in .401 WSL was an absolute freight train of a cartridge. It developed over 2000 lbs/ft. at the muzzle.
Thanks for the information.
what would be a round in common use most similar to the .351, in size as plus as ballistics?
The .351 has similar ballistics to the.30-30
That Man knows his stuff.
@@gregjohnson4697 Which of course means it has similar ballistics to a 7.62x39mm as used in the Soviet SKS and AK47.
It’s a rather big shame that odd guns like this aren’t produced today. Everything is just an AK or an AR on the inside, and I just want something unique.
Винтовка с автоматическим перезаряжанием? Вот это классно! Если бы у бойцов Красной Армии в июне 1941-го были такие винтари, то возможно не пришлось бы драпать аж до Москвы.
It’s crazy to think about how advanced this was for the time, and how far we’ve progressed engineering over the last 110+ years
I don't think this video shows that we have progressed all that much. Optics are outdated. Obviously this weighs a little more than some modern rifles. But that can be debated as whether it's a pro or a con. Honestly this is a viable hunting/self defense/ and all around sport rifle to this day.
Ehhhh…Our progression is honestly very mid lol
I think humanity is getting close to peaking for goodtbh 😂 All downhill from there…
Ikr! Unreal!
M1 carbine ancestor.
It’s nuts how fast that rifle cycles
its direct blow back it has no delay like with a gas system. just know it didnt catch on because it puts alot of wear on the internals when firing big boy bullets. direct blow back still works fine and is used to this day with alot of smaller calibers
Two movies I’ve seen that had this rifle: The Highwaymen & Public Enemies. And two video games that have this: Battlefield 1 & Battlefield V.
I’ve fired one of these before. Old guns were works of art. It’s funny because 350 legend is popular now when it was already done over 100 years ago.
Pra 1907 top demais até hoje .
I love old semi automatic rifles
They’re truly some of the most unique pieces of machinery out there
I like how we've basically come full circle back around to this gun with the AR-15 in 350 legend.
Just want to point out how difficult keeping “ECO” blued steel perfect over the ages is. My model 28-2 N frame which was my grandpas carry as a sheriff in the 60s has the original finish with next to zero pitting. With a 6inch muzzle it’s hard to keep clean in the wild. It also shoots a 3inch group at 75yrds consistent. Old= good still
I carried a Model 28 in the 80's- 90's. Still in excellent condition. It takes a little extra effort.
I carry a Model 28-2 or a Colt Trooper Mk III on my security job. They are the best guns I have ever owned. But I sure would like to get my hands on that Winchester!!!
Growing up my brother had a 28. Was fu. To shoot, we did alot of reloading back then..
Thanks for sharing Man. Awesome awesome piece of history.
Crazy how we went from falling/rolling blocks breechloaders to semi-automatic weaponry in less than 50 years.
Everything about this rifle looks great
i like how the bullet hits the target. hard hitting so even the bullet sort of splits apart and a chunk flies off
Pretty sure, more often than not, lead core bullets hitting steel targets always smash into a million pieces like hitting playdough with a sledgehammer
@@jimzeez yeah makes sense i guess. steel = hard, lead = soft (for metal)
派手な演出な他のチャンネルより日本人の僕にはこのチャンネルの動画が1番合ってる
شما عالي هستيد
من ژاپنی ها را دوست دارم
بهترین جنگجو
بهترین صنعتگر
ملت با فرهنگ عالی
و ملتی کوشا هستند
@@samaalizade2843 僕が読めない言語なのでGoogleなどで翻訳してくれると嬉しいです
Really. Every time I see something from Japan it's super flashy. Highlighted bold colors with huge text.
@@samaalizade2843apparently not the best warrior. The u.s. Marines bested them at every turn! I do have respect for them but to say they are the best is just wrong.
Weird rifle, but I kind of like it, it was for both left and right handed people 100 years before producers started care about left handers. And I very like this type of rear sight.
I love this beautiful piece of antique engineering. No one should be allowed to own one.
Good god that bolt was fucking booking it. God allmighty cycklic speed
It's blowback operated with a massive breech block extension that goes all the way under the handguard. But that pressure's gotta still be hard to slow down.
Get checked for dyslexia and dysgraphia
@@lambsauce5312 neither of those are evident here tard
@@lambsauce5312he misspelled a single word, calm down lmao
@@lambsauce5312🤓🤓🤓
Brings me back to the time i was a medic in the ardennes forest in 1915
Which number life are you on now?
Дункан Маклауд?!?😱🤫
Us Immortals must Stick 🏒 2gether
I was having a pretty crumby day, but seeing you shoot my favorite gun really made up for it!
Maybe you need to get a life 🤔
@AA-69, maybe you need to shut the actual FUCK up! And keep your opinions to yourself!!!
Those rifles were also used by second seat gunners in WW1. Imagine the earliest days of aerial combat and guys shooting rifles and pistols at each other in a plane made of canvas and wood.
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Always loved the 1907! Very beautiful rifle. Thank you for the footage!
That’s definitely the absolute most unique action I’ve ever seen!
This gun was issued to half the French armee de l'air and Royal flying corp during the first years of WWI... at the time machine guns were not really enstablished as defensive weapons on an aircraft so you had a guy with this thing shooting from the rear position of the airplane against incoming threats... the odds of hitting something was pretty negligible. That said this gung was a pretty engineering marvel for it's time!
I really enjoy looking at this Weapon & watching you load it & the sound of this Weapon being fired also pinging off the target. Excellent Outstanding
Never used by us troops in ww1 but by the French,Britain,Italy and Russian empire
интересная заметка.
What a beauty. So ahead of its time
Other early autoloaders include the Remington model 08 in .35 Remington and the first gas-op autoloader, Delaware's own "Standard Arms Corporation of Wilmington Delaware" Model G (for gas) also in .25, .30 and.35 Remington. It was about 70 years ahead of it's time as you could shut off the gas valve and switch it to pump action! That's right, it operated like a SPAS-12 back in 1911-1912! Standard also made a pump only version called the Model M (surprise!)
They were only in production for about a year.
There was also a Swiss made semi auto called "Mondragon" in 7x57mm Mauser that was issued to the Mexican army about 1907-1910.
Are the mondragons still available? I've got alot of Mauser ammo but no Mauser. Or would it be better to get a Mauser? If so which model?
@@theandycrunkmondragons of any variety are insanely pricy and rare, even incomplete ones have sold for 8k+. Probably much better to get a mauser. Personally I prefer the K98k but any model 98 mauser rifle will be great. Gewehr 98s in 7.92x57 Mauser were made for a lot of different countries over the years, turkish ones should be relatively inexpensive
@@theandycrunk unfortunately, no. They are very rare and expensive.
@@thepunkredjaythe Mondragon was 7x57mm, not 7.92/8mm Mauser.
Old semi autos just hit different
a slab of wood and metal folded into perfection. what a beauty.
Very neat rifle. I love the classics.
Winchester sights on a semi auto is a wet dream
Feel like it would make a good hunting rifle/brush gun
It did and does! I shot my first deer with one of these at the age of 12. Was my grandfather’s favorite gun
Its def a bush whacker.
Give it a 20round mag and a side charging lever and you have an absolute BEAST of a service rifle going into WW1.
Many so called gun experts speak ill of this rifle. But it was innovative at the time. As for me, I would go into a gunfight with it.
Finally a video wherein he’s showing some respect and care for the firearm someone has placed in his care, and he’s not throwing it down and pouring rounds all over it.
You can see just how much oomph this unique round and cartridge has. Taking a hit in a ballistic vest or plate would probably feel like you just got hit with a cannonball.
It has about the same energy than standard issue US military 556 M855A1. Just looked it up because this felt wrong.
Big bullets do big damage, medium bullets at twice the velocity do big damage with less weight and more range.
Fuck grammar I'm drunk but also am gun nerd me right dyor ok love u bye grandma.
That gun was war ahead of its time
My dad had one of these, I hunted with it when i was a kid. He sold it a few years back. I'm pretty sad about it. It was my favorite gun he had and I've held.
It's crazy how efficient we are at making tools and how quickly we adapt to make things better.
Thank you for treating your items with care instead of **throwing* them on the table, like a fool, as so many others foolishly do.
Ten out of Ten to you.
POV: California compliant
.351 win self loader cartridge is difficult to find, but not impossible. Or cheap. Which is why this round and maybe the only rifle chambered for it, are much more practical for a hand loader like myself. Dies are available and the rest is common components. The rifle itself is no longer a bargain however, and probably aren't going to decrease in value. Ever again. Also, there are high capacity magazines and I've seen a couple with pistol grips and carbine length barrels. This was quite advanced for 1907 and is now a great American classic firing a very cool round that many gun enthusiests have never even heard of, which I will always find much more desirable than another .35 rem or .308 any day. Very cool piece of American gun culture
Also came in ... a.. .401 ...I do believe
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The rifle used by older Eli Mccullough in The Son. Great show
Oh my god it's THE gunshot sound
Could have easily been the best rifle of WW1. If only it were issued en masse
Unlikely. Semi-auto doesn't help much when the weapon is overall more awkward to operate than a traditional bolt-action. The charging rod is in an unusual spot and would likely be hard to use with wet/muddy fingers. And, historically, spare mags weren't all that common back then, so the lack of a stripper clip guide doesn't do the 1907 any favors either.
@@Horgleradding lips for striper clips are easy enough, they did it on the Winchester for the Russians
The cocking mechanisms though that’s definitely a problem
M1917 Enfield is the best rifle from that war in my opinion.
If it had spitzer projectiles, lots of magazines, and stripper clip infrastructure it’d be comparable to the SKS made some 40yrs later
@@Horglergood point. Imagine laying that charging rod across the ground over the edge of a trench or prone.. in those conditions
Hate to sound like l'm full of it, but 351 self loader was one of the most accurate auto I have ever shot shooting factory ammo that was about 50 to 60 years old. Could have been a fluke. Knock out the center of a target at 50 yards. All the bullet holes were over lapping. The rifle came from an estate sale along with the ammo. Crazy!
He still got that sleeper-agent 'activated' mode look on his face 😅, love it.
Уже тогда компактный самозорядник был, удивляет...
классика,во всё и простота.
TODA UNA OBRA DE ARTE😮
Doesn't anyone else want to play Call of Duty Colt at War with these videos?
It’s amazing how not a lot has really changed about firearms in 130 or so years
A beautiful Winchester
That brass goes HARD
Battlefield 1 nailed this gun
These old guns have charisma and elegance
I've been a fervent fan of Winchester roughly since I turned 16 years old, and not once have I ever heard of, nor seen a 1907 before.
This thing looks so cool.
Stay safe, shoot straight!
Love these old Winchesters with these unique as fuck charging handles. Learned to shoot on one of the .22LR rifles they made and it has the same action. I forget the model and year of it but I wanna hunt one down for myself so badly. The nostalgia when I see videos of someone shooting/handling one. 😊
The one depicted here has the early round "button" style charger.
Later version ( mine) utilizes a curved actuator on the end of the charger to help assist with turning the charger 90 degrees when fully depressed to actuate the bolt hold open function.
The .22 you are talking about is the model 63.
Beautiful firearm as usual. And as usual you should invest in some ear plugs 😂
Gözəl silah.
351 is what my dad called his ..I got in trouble for shooting all of his rounds when I was 13 years old . .1960. 😊
I had the predecessor to this rifle, the 1905. It was chambered in .35 Self Loading (.35SL). Sadly, it didn't attract any type of a following like the 1907 did, so the ammo disappeared completely. At least the .351 Winchester ammo still exists.
Herp Derp direct blowback recoil go brrrr!
Ive never even seen this classic. It looks like he keeps it shined up.👍 What caliber?
I've looked it up and apparently it's chambered in ".351 WSL (Winchester Self-Loading)"
They used these in the film public enemies which is accurate as gmen did in fact use this weapon.
I've seen some ammo that was labeled .351 Winchester Auto-Loader.
The model 1905 was .35 Winchester Self Loader. The 1907 was chambered for the improved .351WSL. Then came the M1910 in the mighty .401WSL!
I'd like to point out that if they had just brought back the .351WSL, there would be no need for the .350 Legend.
I never knew Winchester made semi auto rifles
I’ve never wanted a gun so badly just from a RUclips short before. Such an incredible firearm!!!
That clean, shiny brass is eye candy for me
Geez, the cyclic rate...
Imagine this, but full auto...
It's straight blowback action, so of course cycling is a tad brisk, lol. It's basically a giant pocket pistol
@@ludditeneaderthal bordering on the edge of premature extraction then ey? 😂
@ivanthehunter3530 not really. Just like a pocket pistol, it's a relatively low chamber pressure round (under 40k psi, so magnum pistol range), using beefy brass, fast powders, and heavier than pistol bullets. So the pressure curve peaks rapidly, and falls off steeply. It has a HUGE bolt (that forend is basically a wooden skin filled with bolt mass), so plenty of inertia to overcome. As it doesn't require lubed brass (like many delayed blowback full power rifle rounds) or fluted chambers to prevent case head separations, we can presume the pressure has fallen markedly before the bolt travels much more than microscopically. So, it's really "balanced action" as opposed to incipient case bursting. It just has that super quick bolt speed because the spring rate is a bit low initially (it looks to be a progressive rate) to make cocking manageable, while still allowing reliable function. It's a genuine tightrope walk of engineering, lol. I'd bet it has fairly stout recoil compared to performance. It's also probably QUITE ammo sensitive, maybe one or 2 options of bullet weight/velocity
It's an interesting design, but less versatile than say the long recoil remingtons it competed with.
Is it 351cal?
The model 1907 was indeed .351 caliber.
The model 1903 was .22 caliber.
And the model 1910 was .401 caliber.
All three were basically the exact same rifle, just different calibers.
I still have my 1907.
I picked up a 351 at auction but missed the table with the ammo trying to find a box of 50 under a hundred seems near impossible now days, love the action and feel of the gun@@FoxWood2222
@FoxWood2222 your missing one 1905.. I have one is how I know