The Big Brexit Debate: What does the UK really think?
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2018
- As the Prime Minster tries to deliver a Brexit deal that works for the country as whole, we reveal what the British people think of the likely deal on offer.
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Channel 4 commissioned the largest independent survey of attitudes across the whole of the UK conducted since the referendum, asking 20,000 people drawn from every UK constituency for their views, and put the results to politicians and those who stand to gain, or lose, most from the outcome; all before a live studio audience.
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A second people's vote with a big leave victory would be hilarious if nothing else
That sums up the Leaver mind-set: nihilism.
It would certainly prove a point
Never underestimate the majority
Second refarendum for the foture of the UK.
it would be hilarious. and it would be concrete. but i'd risk it to give the people another say after they've seen how the government has fucked this right up.
18:50 His customers are in the EU, his supply chain is in the EU and he believes in free movement. Can anybody else see an easy solution to his problem here?
Why are they comparing referendum results to a poll? Wouldn't it be better to compare their poll to the pols in the lead up to the referendum? I think if they did that the change would be much less noteworthy.
34:35 "Birmingham is the most diverse city in the UK"
London: Sure. 😂
And they said on the day of the Referendum that Remain had a 10% lead!
Wether or not Leave or Remain are in the lead, the UK is in chaos. Nigel has a point on one thing, it is an utter mess. A mess he is staying away from. Take your responsibility Nigel and lead the UK, show the UK how it needs to be done then according to your view!
answering polls and actually bothering to vote are two different things.
Citation needed
@@michaelrch a Citation of what specifically?
Joseph Handford an opinion poll on or around the 23rd June 2016 that gave Remain a 10 point lead.
This is a complete embarrassment of a debate. However, it is a debate produced by Channel 4 s one's expectations were quite low to begin with. Enough said.
I agree with, the only Brexiter was Mr Farage, All the others are remainers. even people from the crowd was a set up, the host read there names, and they had a little paper in hand as a reminder what have to say. Disgraceful!!!
Tim Whale
I am Pro EU. but yeah this debate is very biased. seriously where have the neutral and objective news gone?
I new CH4 would put their spin on the debate been a Marxist channel, but I couldn’t believe what I was watching, it’s was laughable totally made up bs. Do they think people who voted Brexit are going to change their mind after watching this haha idiots
embarrassing for Farage
@@cynic252 Yes, very embarrassing ... a self apppointed, non elected, disrupter with a new bank account and some finances transfered to Germany recently. Pulling an MEP salary as a trojan horse, on a nice expense account and due a pension from the EU (plus a nice earner with LBC, newspapers etc) and still an out of work welder from Scunthorpe and a council worker from Rotherham believes he represents their best interests. Like they say .... it's easy to fool people, but far more difficult to convince them they've been fooled.
Exactly the same as the BBC. In theory 48% of that audience were remainders. At a guess I would say 78%
i am sorry but the continental europeans will let you leave, doenst matter what you think and say now. there is no way they will want to listen to brexiteers and nigel farage the next 50 years
They wouldn't risk another referendum unless the outcome was known (fixed) beforehand
Exactly how was it fixed?
I just did a poll to i just asked Brexiteers and we got 100% leave vote , WOW look at that it's a miracle
@@Happin3ess 2 years late to this party.
Well you should move to China then you will feel more at home with the CCP.
And christ almighty Brexit happened get over it or move to another country remoaners are literally the biggest bunch of losers ever !!
And the UK looks no different the world did not end and people like you still complain
@@Happin3ess every single one of your comments are either lies or just nonsense. Could you please just stop lying, you lost 4 times, when will you losers give your project fear a rest?
deal, deal, deal, deal, deal, deal. What are they talking about?! There is no *deal* to be made until the UK is *out* of the EU. Brexit means Brexit, Brexit does not mean Free Trade Agreement
W Tone. Yes. I wondered why this was never challenged/corrected. Did it suit Gauke to deliberately confuse the issue? Or does he not understand the difference, like grinning idiot Davis 2 yrs ago.
You are totally correct. 1st a withdrawal agreement, then they can start talking about long-term relationships. The problem is that without a withdrawal agreement there will be no transition period, which would be an economic disaster. NI border is stopping a withdrawal agreement - I think May will have to agree to a customs border in the Irish sea to get one - but remember that is only temporary (although can't be time-limited).
Yea, it's just the negotiation of a withdrawal agreement. The government after 29th March 2019 could easily one way or another rip that up.
This, from someone called Wolfe Tone. #facepalm
You did not get it, mate. Why do you think May said that Brexit means Brexit ? Because she could not say what Brexit is. No one can. There is no such thing as Brexit. It would be like defining ice cream by saying main coursexit, ie leaving the main course. Leaving the main course can be, skipping desert, having coffee, going for a run, or eating desert. Who knows. The same goes with Brexit. Brexit means nothing but walking away from all of existing free trade agreements that took 20 years to get. Good luck Britain.
It is a perception that British people just don't want Johnny foreigner. It's fine to raid other countries but not them do the same.
I think Brexit is going to improve things in long term. The situation will get so bad, and with no EU to blame, the British public might start to demand that parliament start to actually pass bills that will change people's lives for the positive.
British government is useless for years, now they blamed EU for its own problems but everything isn't come from the EU but UK's own policy.
Qaxoontii i wouldn’t be so sure about this... if people are clueless or have been kept in the dark ...leaving the EU won’t change this
One can pass lots of laws but will they produce a magic money tree? The UK was the sick man of Europe when we joined the EU... Prior to the leave vote we were set to overtake Germany and become the biggest Economy in Europe.. What laws do you want passed that will emulate that economic success?
What like minimum paid holiday pay? maternity leave? clean water and clean beaches? Oh wait that was the EU.
I am against Brexit, its the biggest own goal in history. After Brexit there could be a scenario whereby things get so bad, the people will vote in a government that actually has some progressive policies.
You should see all the homeless in Caroline's constituency
This isn't just a phenomenon restricted to her area.
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@@BDaMonkey it is certainly worse in her area. Brighton has turned into a cess pit in places unfortunately
Stephen Dyer, that’s a wider issue caused by the Tories universal credit and cuts to welfare
I don't see the point in C4 doing this programme, at least they could have made it more interesting, in having an actual 50/50 split in the audience, Nigel farrage was the only brexiteer on the panel and only got a few seconds to speak, was hoping it could have been a real debate not more biased punditry
Basically, the whole establishment (which includes the 'news' media) is against Brexit and have been subjecting the British people to more than two years of a propaganda campaign designed to scare and bully them into changing their minds... It hasn't worked and they will soon realise it's futile and give up. Then we will have some semblance of normality with even a positive outlook.
So once we will get second referendum could we have third one in two years time? Is it possible? Dont get me wrong Im just curious. Are there any limits or regulations?
No Brexiteer in the debate apart from Nigel Farage... Kinda one sided. Jacob should have been one of the panelist.
i'm and the aunt and
I thought the Green Party were about environmental concerns, not keeping us in an undemocratic dictatorship.
@scotchprofessor Scotland had a referendum and voted to stay in the UK. I'm not aware that there is an appetite for a similar referendum in NI. Are you suggesting that it would in fact be MORE democratic to ignore the fact that the majority of the UK wants to leave the EU?
Watermelons, green on the outside and red on the inside
49:25 Keep your eyes on the old man to the right of the man speaking.... Keep looking......
Are there any unbiased Brexit debates anywhere?
The United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, also known as the EU referendum and the Brexit referendum, took place on 23 June 2016 in the United Kingdom (UK) and Gibraltar to gauge support for the country either remaining a member of or leaving the European Union (EU) under the provisions of the European Union Referendum Act 2015 and also the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000. The referendum resulted in a simple majority of 51.9% being in favour of leaving the EU.
It’s called democracy
17,410,742 51.89%
Voted out of Sm and Cu and Eu and total return to control of laws etc
The United Kingdom is due to leave the EU on 29 March 2019 at 11 p.m.
Leaving both the Single market (Sm) and customs union (Cu) were part of the discussions leading up to the Uk vote over two years ago.
leapsplashafrog
The media just repeat till then brain wash you
leapsplashafrog
Ch4 says this is “what the nation really thinks” 17.5 million already said !!!!
Horus Baals
I know it’s hilarious then they show their computer graph as if it proves anything ! It’s like 911
This is what Lord Paddy Ashdown said on a second referendum whilst the votes were being counted:
“Here’s the single point: Those that asked for this and I was the first leader ever to ask for a referendum way back in 89/90, have said so because they believe it to be an act of democracy. I will forgive no one who does not accept the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken. Whether it’s by 1% or 20%, once they’ve taken it, it is our duty, as those who serve the public to make the best use and to make sure that our country does the best it can with the decision the people have given us. I’ve heard Mr Farage say tonight: ‘We’re coming back even if we lose’. Excuse me! He’s the person that complained about lack of democracy in Europe! If he will not accept the sovereign voice of the British people, whatever they say, then I think he does not have the national interest at heart.” (Lord Paddy Ashdown 24 June 2016)
Iazzaboyce
I don’t trust liberals
Yes, you can vote but if we don't get the answer we want we will stall argue and cry until we get our own way. Its breath taking how people are easily manipulated.
Yes...
That's how democracies work.
If you don't win. You still get to make your point and fight for it regardless...
@@thedutchman01 no it's not. Have you never heard of losers consent? Democracy doesn't work unless it's implemented. So in the case of brexit you accept it's happening and once it has happened you could start a campaign to rejoin.
This kind of format for a televised debate show is so dated and awful.
the result of the referendum and the last General Election blew the credibility of these polls out of the water......they were so wrong it was embarrassing! Now were supposed to take this "widest poll since the referendum" seriously? Why? And how can the remainers continue with Project Fear when it's their DUTY to deliver Brexit..........not dilute it into as Farage says a Brexit without actually leaving. Just leave!! The rest of the world does very well without being a member of the EU and so will we. Jesus this is getting tedious.
Nigel cannot calculate, it's worse than 100 or 200 in Sunderland.
20,000 people nationally on average means only 30 per constituency .
As if 20k is a big enough poll to predict any change.
Wasn't it 1.5million difference give or take in favour of leave?
That's huge, enough with this left wing propaganda.
Yes.
Learn how polls and statistics work.
The outcome of the referendum was always within the margin of error. If your news reports didn't mention that, than blame them, not the polls.
@@thedutchman01, yes it was so odd that the media hardly reported the full referendum results. If we had voted by constituency, like in elections, leave would have won 400 to 133 just in England alone. It's staggering.
They target lefty's on polls so never believe the numbers...
@@heronsdoor4658 Wow nice selective use of data there, UK has Scotland, Wales and NI in it, and they did 52% leave, 48% remain.
The referendum came at a time of public disillusion in politics. The remain campaign, including the EU explained barely any benefits of membership. The leave campaign chose very emotive topics to campaign on. It was a perfect storm to get a leave vote. I genuinely believe years of governments blaming the EU for rules, no matter how sensible, led in part to the vote. But so did French farmers burning British livestock to death to prevent its import, or not trading British beef after it was declared safe following BSE, and failing to clear the Calais Jungle. And Germany holds a balance of trade surplus against EU rules but hasn't opened up all its insurance market to free trade. Nor do most EU ccountries pay their NATO commitment. That makes a mockery of the rhetoric 'you have to be in the club to get the benefits'. If that is the case almost all EU countries should be kicked out of NATO. There are so many contributing factors to Brexit, but resolution of just a few could have changed the vote. All European political leaders should look at their contribution to this vote. If they don't there will be more similar votes.
Why was there not an MSP from our elected Scottish government on this programme !!
because they are scots they have no representation these people detest all those who have something to say especially scots the tories detest them
Alex Muir shocking eh !!
Why wasn't there a representative from my county council either?
Worst episode of Top Gear ever.
Isn't this Top Gear?? Where are the cars??
clearly orchestrated
@@wtsherman3080 Red-shilled NPC detected.
Of course it was ''orchestrated''/''rehearsed'', in the sense that they lined up people that had something to say, ready to be questioned. It was done to streamline the program, it was for production purposes. They had a 50/50 split of Leavers and Remainers with pre-prepared relevant questions.
They even let Nigel bring a long a few of his own NPCs to chant and cheer on queue... Seems like they covered all bases to me
of course, I agree. It's another clear example of the Judeo-Masonic EU Marxist conspiracy.
That was the most one sided debate ever full of remain bias. Very desperate C4
Haha typical remoaners reply. No substance yet arrogantly tries to discredit someone's intelligence who you've never met. You absolute wally haha
@frenchie jones yh course it was lost on a brexit thicko n much more in the ball park of those who cannot fathom what is meant by a once in a lifetime democratic referendum, those that cannot work out that the massive amount of population growth has in any way contributed to the strain on the NHS, school places, housing or welfare because of course there all neuro surgeons that are hanging on to the wheel arches of lorries coming into the country.
You just can't grasp that you're being duped by the msm, house of Lords who are petrified their fat pensions are in jeopardy or understand that politicians are worried about their gravy train is about to leave the station.
Can't seem to realise that it's all been a con to compress wages for the indigenous population
You look at Juncker in his drunken stupor, Verhofstat threatening his own member states, Merkel forcing a rape culture on her own people n think this is who I want in charge of our country.
You are indeed an intelligent breed of lemming
It's sweet how Farage cares for Mediterranean countries (irony off).
We discover what the nation really thinks, by having a debate in a warehouse. On a serious note I would like to see the size of the polls during 2016 on these issues if there are any.
The stats here don't seem right????
F.D McIntyre
The use a computer graph so it must be factual .... lol
Here’s our graph ... !! Lol
@@leapsplashafrog they use a computer graph oppsoed to what? A paper one?
A pool of 200 people.. and a ridiculously misleading question on immigration.. 😂 behave
20,000.... listen and behave, man...
It is a biased question like everything, but how is it ridiculously misleading???
The final question - would you vote leave or remain now - was pretty straightforward, and the result was pretty clear, most people would now vote to remain. And the total pool across the nation was 20,000, it was only 200 in Sunderland.
@@monkeymox2544 he supports leave. You're gonna have to paint that onto the side of a big red bus before he'll listen
20,000
I am not surprised that more people are looking to remain because more information is starting to come out through talks like this. I feel sorry for leavers they may feel super betrayed. This is a very difficult situation.
Well actually a final say when it's clarify the deal to everybody it wouldn't be so absurd, if the british people are really happy with, it wouldn't be hard to win that again.
So a vote between deal and no deal?
Many leavers would have agreed with you but the underhanded quislings wanted remain on the ballot. Had it been the Deal Vs EEA it would have gotten support from both sides.
Here is the reality of their survey. Timed to coincide with the so called 'Peoples' Vote' as if the original vote was not enacted by people. Also timed to coincide with a low point during negotiations. But worst of all, unforgivable, they only interviewed 20,086 people. Even compared to the 33.5 million who voted in the Brexit vote, it is totally laughable that this survey represents the "nation". In addition, they have not released the dataset with the questions other than a completely goofed up .xls from which little sense can be made. But from what I can gather, is the question "should we remain in the EU" was never asked. Instead there were various questions on the nature of a second vote, which is not the same. So even the conclusions they arrive at are plucked out of thin air. Worthless.
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I used to think that movies about the zombie apocalypse were a joke. Then I met Brexiteers.
Says an NPC
`The British people made a decision to leave the EU` `17.4 million people` `The will of the people`` Lol.
And afterwards? They go back to playing croquet with flamingos and hedgehogs?
NPC.
It feels odd listening to educated people in background talking about leaving. and also disheartening. And blaming EU seems so odd
About time a member of the public told the MPs that, during the referendum, they the MPs had no idea of the complexity and expense of leaving and were thus unable to to communicate that fact. Many of them are still ignorant of the facts. The MPs keep marking their own homework, by doing that they can deny their responsibility in a disastrous referendum campaign by both sides.
Farage is right. They did win, and remain has continued to plow money into campaigning since. No deal is the only acceptable deal.
I demand independence for the Isle of Man !!!
Won't even bother to look at chanel 4.
I bet they picked up the audience from the remainers march last week
Howard Petterson 100% correct it was cringe worthy
@scotchprofessor
You are too broad in the accusation. 52 weeks in a year multiply that with 14years. That's under representation
@scotchprofessor The BBC gave him so much coverage because of controversial appeal. Political correctness dictates that immigration into the country should be rather relaxed, and to say so otherwise makes you a racist, or a xenophobe. These accusations of which the media likes to perpetuate make for great news coverage. Think about it, Farage generated a divisive, heated discussion which lead to a high amount of viewing numbers and audience participation via discussion on social media.
Single-percentage support seems rather irrelevant to me as 3.9 million people voted for UKIP; there was a genuine fear that UKIP could potentially do much better than that, hence the media coverage.
There's increasingly growing distrust in the media because there's a spilt between what the media will tell the public, and what the public will actually believe.
How do you think Trump got into power? Do you not think news organisations serve their own agenda and political purpose? They certainly do.
It was remainders vs Nigel farage
Did anyone notice Freddie Kruger behind the speaker from Stoke ?
Watch how the lady standing behind Farage rolls her eyes at 21:15 when he says a remainers brexit.
Be interesting to see this debate repeated in a year.
It still is 😂
well goodbye democracy it was good while it lasted!
As a briton who was denied a vote, I can confirm that democracy was nowhere to be found in the UK during 2016.
@@ElectricityTaster nice lie there, you either didn't have a vote because you lived outside the UK for 15 years, a rule which was in place since Tony Blair was PM. Or you are under age, the minimum age to vote was put in place since 1969 so again a long time. You can't complain about the government following rules which had been in place for decades
Why will anyone want to stay in the EU? - Do these people travel into Europe to see what is going on there? The UK do not need a deal. The EU NEEDS the UK. It is the EU that needs to be trying to make a deal with the UK. The UK simply needs to leave and take back control of its own destiny.
in all debates in the UK i have seen sofar, a single problem keeps coming up: whatever Britain decides to do, there is no reason why the EU should go along with that british plan, simply because that is what the brits want. for some reason, brits keep pretending that the EU needs britain to stay afloat.
Watched this and realised that channel 4 really has lost the ability to construct balanced debate .
Totally appalled by this repugnant piece of propaganda.
Remainer argument “17,400,000 million is only 27% of the population and isn’t enough of a mandate”
Also remainer argument “look, most of the 20,000 surveyed want remain, let’s cancel Brexit”
They’re nothing if not inconsistent
Good strawman! Nobody will ever spot what you just did!
M R what did I just do? Point out that manipulating statistics to suit your narrative is disingenuous ?
@@Chris-oz9qx "what did I just do?" You posted a strawman!
M R I don’t think you understand the term “straw man”. Pointing out hypocrisy isn’t strawman, it’s me not allowing dividers to get away with hypocrisy and falsehoods.
What next? You going to call me a Russian Bot, Alt right, or racist?
@@Chris-oz9qx I assure that I do understand the term “strawman” and that you tried that on.
"it’s me not allowing dividers to get away with hypocrisy and falsehoods" Yet you created one yourself with "Also remainer argument".
"You going to call me a Russian Bot, Alt right, or racist?" Only when you give me evidence to do so! You had better not lapse into Runglish!
46 million people are eligible to vote in the UK and the survey was for 20,000 that’s 0.04% of the population. That is so statistically insignificant anybody who understand statistics would reject it as totally inaccurate. I think this is more about influencing on social media the population to drive towards anti-Brexit thinking...
Didn't really expect anything else from Channel 4 though
i was not asked. was anyone asked? on the referendum there was arguments about the gap not being big enough is this an acceptable margin or is it ok now the remain get a victory?
22.09 Sorry Caroline, not going to buy into that one - so we stay in a united states of Europe government (even though the people were never consulted) because there will be some temporary instability and a cost. If we look at this over the centuries this will be a minor blip - the EU is a cumbersome, slow moving incompetent lame money wasting institution. The world is fast changing and the ability to adapt and change than be under this protectionist racket is a great opportunity...
Tony Blair, John Major and Gorden Brown arrogantly signed treaties that changed our constitution by signing us up to higher governments and courts - something they had no right to do. That is why we are now in this mess and people are so wound up by it all.
Hear hear! The only person putting forward a cogent point in all of this. All the remainers are going "oh it was stupid. Oh nobody understands it enough. Oh we need a people's vote." None of it constitutes a reason, it's merely a statement of opinion with nothing backing it up. Well done, Joe.
In the studio it seems about 10% leavers and 90% remoaners and not 50/50 but channel 4 I would not expect anything else than the scaremongering as they and the BBC have done
Oh dear... You don't understand that membership of the EU is voluntary and that was nothing to stop us unilaterally having a referendum and leaving? Howabout giving Scotland the right to hold its own referenda and vote to leave the UK.? ..
In Nato we place our troops under the command of foreign Nato generals... That does not make us a colony of Nato... Nato is VOLUNTARY...
Yes, membership of the EU involved joint decision making... That's what the mature kids in the playground do... It's the spoilt brat immature kids who won't co-operate or share...
@@pyellard3013 how many do you want Scotland to have for it was only a few years ago they voted and the remain won that vote so do you not understand how democracy works for your sounding like the ones who want to keep voting until the majority gets the thing they want
South America is one of the fastest growing economic region in the world (last I checked)
Channel 4 haven't got a clue what British people think. Outside of their Westminster London bubble.
29 March 2019 " V "
EVERYBODY NOW HAS A CLUE WHAT British PEOPLE WANT
Is so sad to see that the quality of the debate didn't change since the vote.
Whilst I really respect Caroline Lucas, calling the vote to leave the EU a 'betrayal' is not helping. The referendum was one of the biggest acts of democracy I've seen on these islands in my adult life. We can discuss the role of the politicians as to their trustworthiness and the role of the media in their heavy bias and maybe the role of misinformation of the people, but I don't think it's right to accuse those who voted to leave of 'betrayal'. She's let herself down there.
I voted to leave for independence and i would vote leave again, Our prime minister May is the problem not Brexit.
independence from what? dont say laws cos there isnt any the uk government didnt agree to (thats why we dont have the euro or shengen ) if you think trade comes with no cost , think again , india have already said that they want free movement of people in return for a trade deal , america wants the dismantling of the nhs in return , argentina will want the falklands , we trade with them all now and being in with 27 other countries made sure we didnt have to lose all that . oh by the way america have vetoed us from trading under wto rules .
THAT I agree with. Leave means Leave. No backsies, no halfsies. Instead of minimising Brexit, your government should be preparing for it. I even think the EU will be less pissed off with UK if you just started negotiating a future trade deal instead of wasting their time with silly proposals.
I think she's just facing the reality of negotiations. You want her to deliver everything while conceding nothing. This is what Brexit looks like when you play it out in reality what did you expect.
Bevila Brexit means losing. Leaving the EU means losses in jobs, tax revenue and credibility.
we are independent and always have been
People calling for a second referendum: I frequently wonder if you would accept your own logic back at you if the result was the other way around. If remain won by the same margin, would you accept calls for a second vote by leave supporters? I am pretty sure I know the answer: no. You'd be the ones telling them to respect democracy instead, no? Or would you push for another vote with open arms? I don't see it. The fact is, the nation was asked, we decided, and the result MUST be implemented. If you want another vote in 40 years on whether we should rejoin, go for it, but 17.4m people voted to leave (and the two major parties, who both voted for Article 50 and promised to carry out the will of the people in the election last year, got the lions share of the popular vote) and this must be respected. It is not the best of three, five, seven, etc. Time for arguing is over, let's get a good deal and work for the betterment of the country. There is no need for this to be such a divisive issue. Non-EU countries have perfectly good relationships with the continent, and so will we, but we will no longer be bound by that superstate and forced to go in whatever direction they want to go. Bearing in mind the level of opt-outs we have already pretty much shows how little we want to get invested in the EU project as a whole.
It was a non-legally binding advisory referendum - it doesn't need to be implemented.
How will leaving the EU make our life better?
Can you please try using paragraphs.
@@paulpaul8861 What exactly is your point in that it's non legally binding? That it should just be ignored? If you believe that, then why vote for anything. Why bother exercising the only real power you have? I don't want to live in a country that ignores the democratic will of the people, thanks. I don't know for sure how our life will be better but I am pretty confident we will continue to strive for it to be so like we always have done, long before the EU even came about. Do you know for sure how will staying in the EU make our life better? Perhaps you have a crystal ball sir. Lastly, your ad hominem-esque jibe about how I wrote my comment says much more about you than it does about me my friend.
If the remain campaign used lies and deceit, and won on the back of that, then 100% I would back another referendum. But remain didn't win because of those things, leave did. I don't know how someone could rationalise lies as true democracy.
@@AaronJCassidy Would you not concede that people can make their own decisions, do their own research and come to their own conclusions about an issue without blindly believing everything this or that campaign says? Both campaigns lied because that's what they do. Every election, every referendum, always contains lies and falsifications and yes some (perhaps many, I don't know, but hope not), eat this up but nothing is perfect. I like to believe many of us are intelligent enough to see through that rubbish and make a decision based on our own experience, education, research and beliefs.
@@menthol8850 Well don't live here then, because we have a what is known as Representative Democracy' mean voters advise MPs what to do, but they don't have to do it.
You can't expect us to have a referendum on every issue.
Breixters should have created an exit plan for dealing with issues such as the Irish border before offering a referendum because now everything is a mess.
The EU protects worker's rights, like having paid holidays and environmental issues, like keeping beaches clean. It's unlikely that tories will protect these rights.
No Brexiter has been able to answer the question of how leaving the EU will make our lives better.
30:25 - That's ME in the background ;)
Flush the parliament, get new people in politics across the spectrum. New parliament with all new faces.
The Tory and Labour MPs almost look related!
"What does the UK really think?"
It really thinks we should leave, which is what we voted for!!!
Damn right
twice
The question for this debate should have been: Have we done enough scare mongering to make you change your mind?
No the freedom of movement red line question would have been "do you think people in this county already be able to stay or to that effect. When people are asked questions they sometimes only get the general feel of what is being asked and how the question is asked and whether it is understood is never addressed by poll takers. I have been asked polls and they often have a bias in their question taking.
Give that Lady at 20:00 a medal! Spot on!
Exactly right!
Maybe it was her surprisingly enlightened opinion or the fact I truly didn't expect those words to come out of her mouth, but she is HOT!
More unadulterated rubbish from c4 what nonsense next. Sorry but i don’t believe in sandaclaus or the easter bunny c4 think they are being controversial. We voted leave time to leave without the BS
What does the UK think? Man I had no idea there was only about 200 people in the UK and they're all in this audience.
Sooner the UK breaks up, the more accountable, responsive the government will become to its people.
leave and negotiate later when german car workers have to export via norway or usa!
Mate, I won't argue if I were you. When you don't have money to even buy a car, why would you even dare to make such an argument?
lol... Still waiting for Merkel's phone call?? The world is big and the UK is just an island. I think Mercedes will be fine without your country.
I never got asked in this poll, but just how many did.
The video tells you ... if you watch it.
+M R haha its no good this programm telling us when its on air, should of told us 2 weeks prior and the programm would off been leave, leave, leave ha
@@charlietm4350 You sound ha ha demented ha if you ha ha ha write like ha ha ha that ha.
20,000 divided by 650 = about 30 people per constituency....
I don’t think 30 people can accurately represent the views of a whole constituency.
People being aware events elsewhere in the world can cause an effect miles away.
The host bias is absolutely disgusting!
It am better than your what your English used to was in your pissed. You almost maked me puking.
@@emm_arr what are you talking about? sober up then comment.
@@Ricksdiner oxsam "what are you talking about?" That shoed by obvious!
"sober up then comment." I are sober.
You almost maked me puking with your disgusting English.
I'm not British but ... I don't understand soft, hard slow? I think country voted for a British brexit. Full stop
Zang Wei Too much common sense. Sometimes I feel like other countries around the world who are waiting for a trade deal with us post-Brexit should take the steering wheel away from our government, leave the EU with no messing around and then give it back.
Thats right
Okay. Leave won.
Under what conditions though?
That's the question that is still open.
The British people were simply lied to by the brexit campaigners about under what conditions they'd leave. Conditions the EU had said, prior to the referendum, would be unacceptable to them. And the EU is under no obligation to give the UK the deal it demands, which would break basically all rules of the EU.
no they didn't, they voted to leave under certain circumstances and under false promises and lies
Andrea Convalle false premises? We voted for a fundamental restoration of true parliamentary sovereignty. EU law takes precedence as seen in factortame, we want our waters back, and we would like to be able to make our own laws without having to comply with previous acts set out by EU legislation. Both arguments in the vote are clearly based off arbitrary hopes of how they thought the EU would change. We further don’t want an uncontrolled influx of immigrants. We would also perhaps like to trade with other sovereignties without being subject to EU tariffs.
What gets me is the assumption that the poll showing about people living and working across Europe, it has nothing to do with Free Movement of People.
Post-Brexit Britain, people can still live and Work in Europe without needing Freedom of Movement, it's called having a visa.
Instruction not information
that’s ch4 bbc etc
This programme is so biased I thought it was the BBC
You are right the surveys are biased too. No doubt.
Please get a bot more specific, when was this programme biased?
A few examples of substantial biased lines would be fine.
Dear Channel 4 not a SINGLE leave voter will vote remain. I will put £1000 of my own money on a bet that if there were a second referendum the LEAVE vote will be MUCH higher. We've seen nothing but a political class spectacularly fail on leaving the first time and now our wills are like iron. You failed to do it properly the first time and we will absolutely WRECK you if a second referendum comes.
Yeah, right!
Why don't you move to the Falklands then!
You won't be allowed in Europe anymore, that's for sure/
@@paulungureanu937 bit of a stupid statement... Has as much validity as if I turned round and said if you voted remain why don't you move to one of the 27 remaining European countries?
You may well be right about the result of a potential second vote, I don't put much trust into the polling, what I do know however is I have friends and family who supported leave who would change their vote. This is of course anecdotal, but such people do exist :)
I knew nothing about this poll ! and I live in wales , do not know anyone that I know has change their mind on leaving.
The big Brexit debate: What does Channel 4 really want?
49:35 - leave dude still talking, presenter cuts him off and walks away
I voted leave for the EU referendum in 2016 and I will happily vote remain now. The last 2 years have been absolute shite with this politcal bs and all it has done is hurt my earnings. I can already foresee another downfall for when we actually leave the EU next year. I just want this to stop and be throw away and to never hear about this again.
No one said it was going to be an easy or painless transition. All change comes with winners and losers but as a whole I still believe that the UK will be better off in the long run as an independent country.
"This will be the easiest deal in history". "only a fool would leave the single market" "I will be in Berlin one day later".
Yes, they promised that this would be easy and painless.
Amanda Morin..Why change your mind from leave to remain for, it our prime minister May is the problem messing things up, not Brexit.
@@swanpride "The only reason we wouldn't come to a free and open agreement is because politics gets in the way of economics," you need to use the entirety of the quotes not just the bits that suit your agenda
I voted leave and would vote leave again.My earnings are up.
This is the best debate I've seen
And the result is
Follow the law of England we are out
Such a balanced program, one brexiteer Vs 3 remainers, loaded Questions & 90% of the audience on the remain side- nice one channel 4................
A BALANCED AND FAIR PROGRAM, AS FAIR AS THE COIN TOSSING :
HEADS I WIN, TAILS YOU LOSE ....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remain propaganda in full flow, I have never seen such a bias program in my life, the questions were all slanted towards remain, the studio audience was 70% remain supporters and the guests were 3 to one against Nigel Farage, a disgusting display of media bias.
The thing is if they don’t give us Brexit they will get a far worse scenario, a nationalist party in power their worse nightmare
They do it because they know they can't handle a 50/50 debate... Happens on BBC Question Time too.
*sees truth and effects* - BIAS!!!!1111one. That's why you're not in power, you're just a keyboard warrior with no idea.
If anything, the clapping was more for pro Brexit and definitely, at best 50/50..But don't let reality get in the way of the typical chip on the shoulder of Brexits.
Russia Today is fairly more balanced. We should aim for new friends and allies.
Such as Zimbabwe and our own former colonies?
This is absolute hilarious - The map that Murphy points at shouting "WE'RE IN!" its almost as if the producers and staff at C4 have basically just re-made what they wanted to report on the referendum night ! LOL
Yes, that bit is funny! The rest of the program is really just trying to crowbar that point in.
@@ivorybassy Agreed. Lost a bit of coffee when he brought the big map up!
This is bs.
I don't really care about FoM, but when I saw the stats saying people want freedom of movement to continue @68%, the show lost a lot of credibility.
If you're going to make it biased, at least make it believable!
I completely agree.
Not sure what your talking about... I want people to here and care our elderly and prop up our NHS staff and I want to live in Europe, speak for yourself
@@johnhunter9065 You want to live in Eastern Europe?
They probably asked a bunch of university students they new the answers they would get 👍
@@johnhunter9065 Europe's a shithole because of politicians and voters like yourself. Britain is a shithole, we voted leave to save our nation it's as simple as that really.
How many Brits honestly have ever thought about working in Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Latvia, Slovenia etc.
I have. About 4 of the "etc." bit are rather interesting. The number of expats might give you a sense as to how big this is.
You can speak the language?
@@Halotest100 "You can speak the language?" That doesn't matter.
You asked. I told you. Have you found out how many Brits honestly live in the EU?
So you lived there and could not speak the language. What kind of work do you do?
@@Halotest100 "So you lived there and could not speak the language."
Jesus wept. Read the thread again.
"What kind of work do you do?" That doesn't matter either.
Call me pedantic but the biggest debate ive been having during all this is which annoys me more, the way Farage says 'issues' or how May says 'negotiations'.
even the title alludes to the vote result as not being what we really thought -.-
The most biased programme showcasing the most biased interviewer and results. An absolute shame, an honest betrayal and rather pathetic.
Democracy at its best eh?
#hardbrexit
The panel was 50/50. It all seemed fair to me.
@@Yungrexy Fair and Reality do not play a role in the assessment of a Brexiteer.
It was 98-2 in favour of remain, laughable what cowards petrified to debate 50-50.
'Brexit' otherwise known as 'Regrets-it'.
The level of debate about Brexit is atrocious. This "big debate" is a display of breathtaking ignorance from start to finish. Ignorance of the members of the public, ignorance of the presenter, ignorance of the panelists. No wonder Britain is in such a mess.
The British people have spoken!
They wanna be worse off and more isolated. Why can't you respect their Will?
You anti-democratic somehow?
Brexit is the reason I'm interested politics. Before brexit I wasn't interested in politics at all.
You know what Britain thinks, we told you on the 23rd June 2016, and seemingly repeat it every day, and every time you push the idea of not bothering after all.
We want OUT. Out means Out, not if's no buts, no cherries, no deals, just out.
How will being out improve your life?
paul paul No Eu wide migrant dumping quota of rapey 3rd worlders by merkel as her parting gift
Speak for yourself pal, remain would win in a landslide vote if it were to be tested here and now, and you know that.
Britain has changed her mind!
Steve S The will of the people has CLEARLY changed now to REMAIN because people see how bad BREXIT will be for the country.
Everybody for their own interests, the Asian business is rooting for Asian migrants to have easier access to come over to Britain as economic migrants. They voted heavily for brexit because they're simply envious of Europeans coming over to Britain which is an European country.
They should be fixing their own country, it's not fair to have Asians coming over to fix Britain.
British-Asians voted heavily for BREXIT out of envy.
What is this thing with british shows where the background guests need to stand. Is this Top Gear?
Well I watched it and I didn't expect anything less from channel 4 news
I agree with living and working in eachothers countries but not free movement they're completely different things
Finally, a fine and sensible opinion, after hundreds of twats around.
I too support freedom of movement of WORKFORCE, as it currently stands.