Radagon of The Golden Order's Complete Timeline | Elden Ring Lore
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I think that the reason Marika removed Destined Death from the Elden Ring, was because she did not trust Radagon having direct access to it after fusing with him. After all, first thing he did was to remove a Rune and gift it to his ex-wife. Which would place the creation of the Marika/Radagon duet just after calling him back from Liurnia and sending Godfrey away.
Her first choice was most likely Godfrey, but he refused. Sending him away was a punishment and a second chance at the same time: "get yourself together through the fighting and death you so much like , then come back and brandish the Elden Ring". The term "brandish" she used, always confused me, but i think she meant it literally. She wanted to fuse with him. Radagon was a temporary solution. Although she speaks to all the tarnished in general, she probably talks to Godfrey specifically. After all, the flame points toward us when we face him. He is the only tarnished that matters to Marika. Our tarnished is a gift and a cure for him. "look, the warrior you always wanted to face. Now get yourself together".
Ranni threw a wrench to her plan and made Godfrey's return an urgent matter, , but Radagon was never equal to her or respected by her. She doesn't miss a chance to belittle him. The fact that he resents the color of his hair may not be because of who he used to be, but who he failed to become: equal to Marika. His hair never turned gold. His constant struggle to improve himself, might be the result the realization of his real status and his treatment by Marika.
Some of the tarnished rebelled or gave up when they realized they were just cannon fodder for Marika's plans, the Elden Throne was never meant for them. The most unlikable of all tells us exactly that when he tries to stop us near the end. Marika want us to suffer so that Godfrey can rise. Radagon was fully aware of that. He is the one who tries to stop us.
Radagon is a tragic figure.
I just got to playing and completing elden ring 100%. I LOVE these lore videos because it is not exactly clear in the game. Subbed
I was also originally skeptical of the connection between Radagon and the giants; the red hair motif alone wasn't quite enough evidence for me. However, I noticed that the description of the blacksmith's hammer states that the art of smithing is said to originate with the giants - an art used by Radagon to mend the Elden Ring. Additionally, when Radagon wields his hammer in battle, the animations of his basic attacks are remarkably similar to the Fire Monks. There is also the lore figure of Milos, a deformed giant whose corpse was turned into a sword. Given that Radagon's body is also turned into a sword, it's hard not to draw comparisons between them.
Am I saying Radagon was literally a fire giant? Not necessarily. I'm only saying that the giants and their culture and motifs are thematically linked to Radagon, and so to learn more about him (on at least a metaphorical level), we can look to them.
I like this approach! Thanks for watching and commenting 😊
22:03 Carian Knight's said to have battled the armies of Leyndell in Carian Knight Swords item description, they weren't preparing for specifically Radagon, their shields have holy resistance because they fought with Leyndell Knight's in general.
I do see that, but it uses trickier language. "Champions of gold" certainly makes me thing of Leyndell!
@@AHumanJusticar maybe tree sentinels too
Leyndell knights use lightning, not holy though. Haligtree and cleanrot knights use holy. Haligtree knights will occasionally even use glinstone sorceries, proving that they do have both faith and intelligence, like golden order incantations require.
Number 15, Burger King foot lettuce 🤣 is exactly how the Kadence and tone this into reminded me of
I was standing on bolt of Gransax, wondering how a weapon like this could exist. It made me thing of how radagon becomes elden beasts sword. But looking at the spear, i noticed its design is a golden spear, wrapped in vines and surrounded by a tornado. And rite next to the spear is a statue of marika holding a golden spear, with vines unwrapping from it. But no storm. It got me thinking if the storm was removed from the tree/vines. But also how many other things like this have been removed from this origional entity, and was there a being for each aspect? Like placidusax for the storm, do marika or radagon symbolize the erdtree and vines? If there were 2 more aspects involved it would make 5 beings in a symbiotic relationship. I personally think a great flower and the giants kiln could have been the other removed aspects. The statues of marika in shaded castle, showing red vines blooming on her might mean something. Amazing video btw, would love more!
Super interesting! I hadn’t even thought about Gransax’s weapon! I’m gonna have to look at this further ☺️ thanks so much for watching! I’m glad you enjoyed it
i have to admit the more I look at the statues, the less I feel I know who they are. But the spear the biggest statue next to gransax holds has a timeline. You can see it growing in different statues around Lyndell.
And the spear Gransax holds seems very similar, but instead wrapped in twisty vine-like structures and perhaps bound by that storm. Idk what was going on with the people involved, but what I take from it is, the dragons had an object similar to the erdtree until it got blown up, and from the stump, flowers regrew. But a single golden flower got fed more then the others and grew into the erdtree.@@AbelMusa
Awesome video, I am hooked on Elden Ring Lore now.
Thank you!! I’m glad you enjoyed it
Great video--can't wait for Part 2!
I think the Golden Order infiltrated The Carians from the inside by marrying Rennala. He couldn't beat them, so he joined them. Learned their magic, and took tf off. That's how I see it at least. He is Marika.
Welcome back! Video is appreciated! Amazing how this game this has so much to give and is still so entertaining a year hence.
Thanks for watching! I'm stocked to be talking about Elden Ring again (:
Wow, great video! Thank you for making videos that make the incredibly complex lore of this game more digestible!
Anytime ;)
Radagon has been one of the most enduring mysteries of elden ring. Your timeline is solid, as far as I can tell. His connection to the Weeping Peninsula might be worth investigating. The church of the pilgrammage featues a statue of radagon and the zamor knight in the evergaol drops Radagon's scar or soreseal. The misbegotten field boss at castle morne has a lovely head of red hair too, but that's another story. The zamor knight being in possession of this item raises the intriguing possibility Radagon was the leader of that faction, who have ties to early Leyndell. If true, it would push him back in the timeline to the crucible age. Personally, I think he's a male numen who been around as long as Marika, but it would take too long to explain why, and nobody would want to hear it. Keep the videos coming. Can't get enough of this dragoncrack.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting! I am excited to get into the theories because that's when the fun comes in! There's so much that ties in that it's impossible to write it all down without crafting a novel so I feel you!
Woke up and cried laughing to dragon rack, thank you for that. Great lore in the video and comment too!
I believe he is a mimic tear that used Marika as its base person to mimic, but also has some.... giant.... mixed in to make him male. Marika is a nox and the nox wanted to make a lord. Also the nox came from the astrologers who lived on the mtn by the giants. So once she was in power... she called back her mimic to bring about the conclusion of all their hard work, and give them a made lord. I believe he was created with the sole purpose to replace Godfrey once the giants were defeated, and his grace faded. He was sent out to live a normal life as to not draw too much suspicion. Though he knew he was created this way, and that is why he is constantly feeling incomplete. He doesn't feel like he is 100% himself... because he is an amalgamation. In cut content there was a quest where you let a silver tear fuse with you for a while to become your mimic... I think this was supposed to be a glimpse into how he was made. This is also how he can literally fuse with Marika again. he is a silver tear, and feeling incomplete he went and fused back to the person he feels like he is, but isnt. That is why Marika says you have yet to become me, mine other self. he had yet to become a God as the nox originally intended. as the giants were also fused with a god it makes sense to keep fusing God elements into the mimic to try and make one.
I think honestly the end game was supposed to make a god, to kill a god, and then be in control of that God to destroy any other God that may try and control them again.
Something about the Numen that gets at me. There is no way they were the only long lived humans. Godfrey/Hoarah Loux is such a "Man" that in his diluted blood, many many other men came from him. He's another kind of Primordial, and if you ever watch BjorntheBear's videos, you can see just how ridiculously strong he is in comparison to a lot of enemies.
So, with the connections with Radagon and the Zamor, ancient enemies of the Giants (strange how the Astrologer men were just chilling out too, and weren't caught up in it) what if we're looking at another Primordial example of a progenitor level human?
@@TOUGHEYES I wonder if horah loux has any connection to the ancestrals? He reminds me of one that liked the idea of a big metal axe. And i think his crucible knights with horns and barbarian like followers seem to have similarities?his "daughter" is cool with a hawk. I also think it's really nice of the nox for seemingly just letting them(the ancestrals) do their thing, even though their ideals are so different. Unlike the mean golden order that punishes, kills or even curses people for being a little different
Very well organized and documented, the mystery of Radagon is an enduring one, so it’s nice to have good clarity of what little we actually know about him.
One thing I would like to add, is that it’s very curious that the only image we see of Radagon is his perfect order pose. This takes a liking to Michelangelo’s “perfect man” work, and something thought true about Michelangelo’s, is he burned most his sketches of his early concepts and notes before his death, so that he would only be known for his complete works, so he wouldn’t be perceived as anything less than perfect.
I like to believe that, since Radagon also wanted to be at least perceived as perfect, he removed most proof of his failures and struggles, both when marrying Rennala and becoming Marika’s consort. He used the celestial dew to repent his sins and aggressions, and some people theorize there is a possibility that Radagon leaving behind the rune of rebirth, is because he maybe had used it himself somehow to rebirth himself in a way, or at least attempt to.
With Radagon’s children being Radahn, a very obvious descendant of a giant, and Rykard and Ranni being clearly human, it’s hard to guess whether he might have looked more like Radahn, and rebirthed despite his red hair remaining, or always looked like this, and just wanted to rebirth to remove his red hair, and failed.
It’s also easy to explain any of the lack of information on anything else being known about Radagon, with this idea of him removing what was once known about him, and might be a little too mucn of a ridiculous personal interpretation, but the lack of any concrete info on him leaves us little choice but to speculate, and I like it since other parts of the game also reflect this theme, like older civilizations being lost and forgotten, by being purposefully buried underground.
I want to draw attention to Marika's depictions, which to my memory never feature her except in her "hanging" pose. Even in the prologue she is hanging, a stark comparison to even Gwyn who is presented as a warlord. In contrast, Marika's consort is a powerful amalgam to Gwyn but decidedly NOT the final boss
I love this!! I’ve always wondered why Radahn has a large stature(similar to his mother) and red hair like his father but the other two seem different! Rebirthing is definitely NOT off the table! And who knows, maybe the people Rennala rebirth are imperfect BECAUSE she is not a god.
I’m glad you liked it ☺️
ok I had to come back to this because you served us 30mins of lore and I'm still processing
Here's my stray thought theory: is Radagon the anti-Marika? Did her shattering trip a self-preservation protocol in the Elden Ring that formed or takes the form of Radagon?
Him being the result of the shattering doesn't make much sense since we have the one dialoge where Melina relates Marika's words to us and at one point she adresses Radagon directly ' O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order.
Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god.
Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self.' - this wouldn't be possible if wasn't a thing yet.
But your comment made me think of something else: what if their fusion was - for whatever reason - the self-preservation act from the Eldenring? We know Radagon is THE Golden Order fundamentalist so having him fuse with Marika was a measure to prevent her from causing further harm to the Eldenring?
That was amazing thank you. I've wanted a timeline video so much. Have you watched the Usurper Theory about Radagon? The guy writes a timeline too but he splits it between Marika and Radagon. And anyone who has ever tried to write a simple timeline found some confusions over the order of the events. For example when was Melina born??? Why do we not know that? Did Godfrey get exiled before or after Radagon's first appearance? There are some minor contradictions that seem totally intentional but I guess this is the right way to solve them, we need more timelines like yours.
New video! Woo!
I missed u 😳👉👈nice video
11:25 Radagon: Say Daddy Raddy! :)
Little Radahn: *GODFREY*
😂😂😂
I hate elden beast radagon was so much cooler imagine going up against lord of cinder snd all the sudden he changes mid fight to a completely different boss
fantastic video!
Thanks!
Good job 👏 enjoyed this keep it up
This is very detailed. Thank you for making it. :)
Im glad you found it helpful! 😁
There's a work by the philosopher Giordano Bruno, "The Heroic Frenzies", where a heroic enthusiast is one who infinitely pursues the divine to rejoin with the One in his journey. Radagon in-game is constantly referred to as heroic.
Also in the "Frenzies", there are several sonnets describing the hunter Actaeon from Greek mythology meeting Diana, and being transformed by divine love. The heroic enthusiast leaves his beloved, not because he stops loving her, but because he pursues a higher calling (pursuit of the divine), simply disregarding her.
His heart, inflamed by Divine Love, leaves to nestle with his beloved, having the power to transform and perfect just like the Amber Egg.
I believe much of Radagon's story is based on this work.
I love this! Thank you for commenting and watching!
@@AHumanJusticar Thank you. Another thing to consider is that in the "Frenzies", Actaeon is the intellect that pursues the divine, while the soul is pained because it is not able to comprehend it, thus causing the two to come into conflict. I believe Radagon is the intellect while Marika is the soul.
In another of Bruno's works, "The Expulsion of the Triumphant Beast", the gods reform the world below by reforming the heavens above, doing so by arranging certain constellations into the form of a Beast, with primarily Solar influences, but also Jupiter and Venus too. Sounds very much like the Elden Beast to me.
Also if that theory of Radagon be a mimic tear is true then 2 things have to be clear
1. The Nox succeed to their purpose
2. The Nox even in exile have GOLDEN EYES not yellow but Golden.
Godfrey was the lord of Crucible Knights (all of the crucible knights we fight mastered his stomp attack) Godfrey as a figure symbolizes the age of plenty where the sap of the Erdtree was said to be given forever. Radagon on the other hand is not the tragic figure or the good guy, when he left Renalla to become the Second Elden Lord, that as event violently stopped the age of plenty, the colloseums fights to Honor the Erdtree was halted by Radagon, the section of the capital that contains the Fortified Manor or else first ever Roundtable hold in lands Between gets restricted to anyone. What Radagon does as second Elden Lord after? Announce Godfrey and his kin and comrades as Exiled and Tarnished (note we as players are tarnished related somehow to Godfrey and his kin) Radagon start to spread hatred to his subjects about the Tarnished, as a "hound of the Golden Order" he does absolutely nothing to stop his son Rykard to become lord of blasphemy even if he knew Rykard connection to the serpent. He detests his red hair because it relates him with the fire giants maybe?
When we all think of Radagon we must have in mind that he was the one to even enforce the images at LUCARIA to wear masks, that action alone it means that Radagon has more than one secrets to hide not only that secret we know about from the statue. It seems to me that Radagon when he became elden lord his first purpose was to erase the deeds of Godfrey and his lineage, don't forget it was Godfrey's lineage NOT Radagon's that named as the GOLDEN LINEAGE. Also when we kill Morgott and Melina recreate the echoes of Marika in the Japanese text it told that Radagon is still not a god, even if he became Marika Radagon was only a mere Champion, the turtle pope wonders outloud about that "How a mere champion can be called a Lord?"
Radagon proceed after the shattering to seal the entrance of the Erdtree, that action means only one thing that Radagon don't want other Elden Lord after him, he also don't want his era to end at any cost, to me what Gideon said that Marika wants all of us to struggle to eternity might be Radagon's plan and will.
To me Radagon it was a tool of Greater Will to put Marika at bay for some reason. The tragic figure here is Marika by the choices she made.
Well knowing what I know about cuckoo birds they lay their eggs in another's nest to be raised by parents who are not theirs making me wonder if Renala is even the mother of her demigod children. And weren't simply placed in her by the twisted evil God who is both male and female with red and golden hair.
The Mystery of Red, as I call it, will answer the question of Radagon’s true origins.
The Fire Giants, the Misbegotten, the Red Wolves, Malenia (but not Miquella), even something as seemingly insignificant as the Champion Pauldron having a tuft of red hair strapped to the waist, it all means something very specific and they *must* have something to do with Radagon’s identity.
This motif branches out to other things, like the Sword of Milos, the Zamor, the Carian Preceptors, the Primordial Crucible, and somehow Fort Faroth (that one is burning in my mind currently), but it all ties back to Radagon being possessed of flowing red locks of hair.
I’ll dye my own hair red if Radagon turns out to have always been Marika, and not what I think he is. That alchemy argument and the Fire Giant curse argument are soooo weak and dull.
Great video
Radagon is my favorite ER character, I based my build on hybrid int/faith largely because of him. Thank you for the detailed video! However, if I may be so bold, as a small constructive feedback, I feel like the specific tone of voice used when reading descriptions is a bit repetitive. It might just be me, so please don’t take this badly! I appreciate the video and how well it is made.
Do we know for sure that the Golden Order was created during Godfreys reign? Or was Godfrey first elden lord during the crucible era which would pre date the golden order?
Loved the video, Radagon is definitely one of those characters that I know i don't fully understand and still don't like. Though ik I'm biased bc Queen Rennala is the most interesting character to me. I'm very excited for the speculation and theory video!
Also Radagon hunt down the crucible knights
28:30 when elden beast turns radagon into a sword (funniest shit ive ever seen) Marika's Corpse is still there for us to choose our ending. That and Marika's own words saying "you're yet to become me" is clear enough evidence of Radagon being a different entity at the start of their journey.
The earliest mention of Radagon is in Brick Hammer. There's this underlying environmental storytelling about a ship that sank in Weeping Peninsula. Castle Morne, Church of Pilgrimage having a radagon statue, the melina lines about the long march in said church, morne tunnels boss dropping a Rusted Anchor, Grafted Blade Greatsword and morne in general. There's something there.
Most of the churches have Marika statues, but the ones that don't are always connected to the Crucible somehow. I think primordial Crucible of life is both an actual tree stock, the literal crucial we find in the mountaintops and a metaphor for evolution itself.
Tarnished Archeologist made great strides in that regard, the Erdtree we know is Grafted to another older tree that was responsible for the creation of ancient dragons.
This is a retelling of the dark souls origin of creation story when you think about it, an ancient tree and everlasting dragons etc.
Radagon is the personafication of the Crucible, misbegottens are named children of Radagon in the game files for a reason. But even then there's a lot of connecting parts that makes me feel like the one picture from it's always sunny, a lot of things are still a mystery.
One thing I'm sure is Radahn having a giant phenotype, his mother is from a line of Astrologers, northerner starting race states that they intermingled with Giants. Fire Monk's have red hair too. His fathers distaste for his own hair comes from the remembrance weapon of the Fire Giant, beneath the capital you find dung eaters weapon, a weapon made from a dwarf giant. There's a reason we find that weapon in the sewers of Leyndell, where every dirty secret of the Erdtrees reign is. Even though Radahn is Golden Order and Raya Lucaria aligned he uses fire attacks for some reason. The northern Trolls also use fire attacks. Radahn probably channels some sort of Fire Giant magic without knowing where it comes from. His Knight's and Soldiers do the same thing. Formless mother's three pronged symbol can be found in both Mohg related magic and the briars of sin that impales the dead giants of the north. So we know the same kind of magic can be channeled by different stats, Radahn and the Redmanes channels his fire with strength for example.
I think not only Radagon was his own person, a giant and the same Champion of the rebellion that Brick Hammer talks about, but he is also the missing link between Farum Azula, Giants Crucible, Primordial Crucible and the origins of every single mystery this game has.
As Law of Regression says: "Regression is the pull of meaning; that all things yearn eternally to converge."
I love this! Thank you for commenting!
Also, let me clarify, what I meant by 'earliest mention' was the name Radagon. I wouldn't be surprised if the 'champion' mentioned is Radagon, but I didn't want to confuse the timeline with theories, that'll be in my next video.
It's a large and interesting topic (:
Is there a proper source for the timing of events? Since the lightning of the Ancient Dragons and the armour of the Crucible Knights are both tinted red it seems plausible to me that Marika's marriage to Godfrey preceded the founding of the Golden Order - Destined Death first being removed from the Elden Ring seems like the transition point to yellow gold. And there may have been two successive stages of confinement for Destined Death as we know the Godskins and Maliketh both wielded it quite openly in the past, and then Ranni stole a fragment from the Black Blade when it was already contained to some extent.
The cuckoos are a bit more complex too. Given the less charitable interpretation of Radagon himself as a cuckoo/trojan horse it makes sense to tie them together, but several Eternal City items also show the same cuckoo bird so the iconography is much older and not directly related to Marika's faction.
There's also the question of how old Rennala truly is. The Stargazer Heirloom describes almost-definitely-Rennala as an "astrologer" not as a "sorcerer" which points to the much older traditions originating in the mountaintops and with Altus/Leyndell in the way it seems unlikely they would have migrated _after_ the First Liurnian War unless the two wars were _very_ far apart for tensions to drop and Liurnia to rebuild in between despite its defeat.
Radagon as a person strikes me as rather inconsistent. A glorious champion who falls in love with his enemy, only to suddenly throw that life away? But somehow he got ahold of a Great Rune, something only Marika should be capable of, and left it to his wife? And then he's committed to Miquella so it's not like he was just dragged back by some divine compulsion of Marika's, plus certain quotes and his direct opposition to her in shattering the Elden RIng so he clearly was capable of independent thought and action to a degree as opposed to just being Marika in disguise.
Plausible, absolutely, but there isn't much in concrete evidence. Horah Loux's oath, becoming the First Elden Lord and taking both the name Godfrey and Serosh onto his back may coincide with the creation of the Golden Order but I'm unsure about coming too far in advance of it. Especially when Godfrey's line is called the Golden Lineage. It could be more accurate to say that Godfrey helped FORM the Golden Order(through battles and such), but seeing as their first son was Godwyn, The Golden, I'd say it more than likely happened all around the same time.
I am SUPER interested in the cuckoo's connections to the Eternal City, as well as Radagons, which I'll be talking about in my Part 2 video.
And I totally agree, Radagon's actions are suspicious. He seems to have full autonomy but then, at times, it almost seems like he doesn't, or at least, that's what we're being led to believe. Radagon also may have had TWO Great Runes at one point in time, the crosshatch we see in his Scarseal and behind his statues AND the rune of the unborn which he gives to Rennala. Is he the one Enia mentions when she says, "only once before have I seem two great runes together"? I dunno, it gets weeeeird!
(Sorry for the long response!)
@@AHumanJusticar Oh I definitely don't believe my alternative interpretation to be better, was more wondering whether there was a proper source to support or disprove one option. My main concern is that "gold" seems to be _very_ old assuming the claims regarding the Ancient Dragons' lightning aren't just propaganda, so "red gold" would have existed long before Godrey. Then Godwyn and the "Golden" Lineage don't need to be _yellow_ gold and neither does the original Golden Order. There also seems to be a distinction between the literal order of the world i.e. the thing which Radagon studies so diligently and the faith/church/sociopolitical order which e.g. prosecutes Those Who Live In Death.
I don't think Enia refers to Radagon, mainly because gathering Great Runes only really became a thing after he was blocked from further participation. Shouldn't she have seen Marika holding _all_ the other Great Runes as the vessel of the Elden Ring too if pre-shattering counts? I'm not sure how much material remains to support this in-game but I'm pretty sure Enia is referring to Vyke who apparently once played a much larger role, almost like a Pokémon-style rival character who was always ahead of you until he succumbed to the Frenzied Flame right at the end. Well, maybe with more timey-wimey weirdness.
Not a Mystery. The greater will have to follow it's own laws. Every action have a opposite reaction.
When vassal beast arrived, So did the Naturalborn.
When the Golden order was established, so was Queen Marika's Alter ego Radagon a fact.
When the rune of Death was removed, so was the rune of life. Marika gave it to Maliketh, Radagon gave it to Renalla. (The lands between.... hint hint)
When Marika had 3 sons, Radagon had 3 daughters (It's complicated, genders don't really mather as they can change). One child on each side got full blood god genes. (agen complicated.)
Ranni loses her body, Godwin loses his soul. (Ranni and Godwin are linked opposites, Just like Maliketh and Renalla. Most major characters got a counterpart.)
I can go on, basically all major events have a equal reaction at the same time or soon after. That's the law of the golden order.
Btw: most events happened before the shattering.