Joaquin Murrieta: California Bandit
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Imagine for a second that you’re a young immigrant, lured to a foreign land with hopes of creating a better life for yourself and your family. Upon arrival, however, things don’t turn out quite like you dreamed and those in power decided to take everything from you that you hold dear. Your land is stolen, your brother murdered by so-called vigilantes without the benefit of a trial and you yourself tied up, horsewhipped, and forced to watch your beautiful wife beaten to the point that she would die in your arms. Sounds like a nightmare. I imagine most of us, under similar circumstances, would be looking for revenge. And, according to legend, vengeance is exactly what the fabled bandit Joaquin Murrieta exacted. The story goes that he waited till nightfall and slid into the camp of his tormentors, dressed all in black. Dispatched one of ‘em with a blade, silently chopping up the body and leaving the dismembered limbs scattered around camp to be found in the morning. And the next night he repeated this action. And again, the night after that. Once Joaquin’s immediate thirst for retribution was satisfied, he moved on to other such men, the type who preyed on his kind. He soon formed a group of like-minded compadres, dubbed bandits, who dedicated their lives to protecting the innocent, robbing the rich, and righting various wrongs. A compelling story that is said to have been the real-life inspiration behind Zorro and possibly even Batman. A tale found repeated all over the world wide web both in print and song. But how true is it? Historian Susan Lee Johnson summed it up best when she wrote “So many tales have grown up around Murrieta that it is hard to disentangle the fabulous from the factual”. Who was Joaquin Murrieta? I mean who was he REALLY? Why is there so much misinformation about the man? Was he a freedom fighter - righteous avenger of injustice - or simply a bloodthirsty bandit who preyed on the weak? How badly will I butcher any Spanish names I attempt to pronounce? #wildwest #california #history
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My favorite channel on RUclips. You're the best, man.
Wow, thanks!
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My family is Ohlone Indian and we grew up with stories of the Old Mexicans and the Americans from back in the 1850s. There’s so many stories of this beautiful state back then. Too bad my beautiful California has gone to shit because of the corrupt Politicians. Oh and Tuolumne is pronounced (Tualami). Great story man keepem comin!!
Thank you! And duly noted
Hell yeah! I was named after him, awesome to see you talk about him. Keep up the great work, I love the show.
One of the only reasons I still have a youtube account is your content. If you decide to start downloading elsewhere I'm out this mother. Keep doing what you do josh! Much love from your neighbor in Oklahoma.
Bro you can download this podcast a million different places.
Well I'm stupid and didn't know that. I'm sorry. I'm looking around now. Spotify?
Not stupid at all! Yep, Spotify. Also Apple, Google, iheart, audible, Amazon, stitcher, castbox, etc.
Yo brother as a fellow Texan I've always been curious about Juan Seguin. I'd appreciate it if you looked into doing an episode covering him.
Juan Seguin was a traitor, but he learned his lesson that you can NEVER trust gringos.The Anglos chased him out of Tejas, trying to kill him. Juan Seguin fought on the side of Mexico 🇲🇽 during the United States invasion of Mexico 1846-1848.
Yes. Definitely. I have always thought the story of Seguin would make a good movie.
I heard only 2 things come from Texas.....
@@joshuahosang6690 yep! It's true...1. Ass whoopings 2.The most beautiful women in the world (research "the 5 Aces of Texas" as proof)
@@golffoxtrotyankee word... I was thinking different
Criminally disposed Australians - yep, that’s us. Another great video, thanks for that, from a criminally disposed Australian.
Them Roo's act criminal....
I hear they'll box ya....
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Holy shamboodoly, a new episode, and it's an hour long - I am more excited for this than a cowboy hitting town for the first time after 6 months on the trail! Get in my ears, podcast!
Thank you very much :) I already know it's gonna be top banana so I'm giving it a thumbs up straight away.
Sorry that I was late…
Every one.
I find each and every one of these episodes is excellent.
Every one of them has a different feel to them with Josh at the wheel.
Every one of them is excellent in their own right. That is because the narration by Josh maintains a constant, while his way of telling it keeps your attention.
Cheers. Shane.🇺🇸🇨🇦
I absolutely love this show The amount of research the host puts into each episode is very impressive and then he makes it super entertaining.
Thank you
@@WildWestExtravaganza if I was doing a Wild West podcast it would be some thin soup. Probably it would just be me reading from those old Time Life books they used to advertise on the TV. You do your work and it shows.
Enjoyed your take of Murrieta as I live in the areas in California that he frequented and rode and have done my own investigation on the bandits of California.., keep up the good work n
Excellent job and presentation. Wading through the many Joaquins and the fact that any crime perpetrated during the Gold Rush was blamed on Joaquin is a real chore. Appreciate your research and efforts.
Wow, great job. Thank you for putting in the work to do this, it's crazy how the legends around this guy where so different from what really happened. Long live Harry love...lol
I lived in Sonora,Ca for 30 plus years, Joaquin is still the hometown OG
Love this episode! As a California native this was amazing to hear. So hyped you referenced Boessenecker, I got into his books over the pandemic and found out so much Wild West history in my home state. California gets overlooked in Wild West history since it went down early on 1850s - 1870s (percussion era revolvers)
A whole bunch of Wild West went on in California for sure
Say native prunepicker, who's this boozenecker and what did he write.Shoot me some titles of books iffen ya ain't skeered.
Me, l'm a fifth generation Texican, my Great-great Grampa West was a late comer, getting to Tejas in 1834 at the ripe old age of 18.
He were born in February, so he was in Mexican Texas 2 year before the battle of the Alamo. And he was a rough ol' cob, living 'til 1921 and passing at 105 years, 7 months and 21 days.
@@carywest9256 wow that’s some amazing family history! My favorite Boessenecker books on California are: Gold Dust & Gunsmoke, Badge & Buckshot, Bandido, and Lawman
I've been waiting on this Episode! Had a huge interest in him back when I first started ranching and packing in california, im starting it now
The powerful will always take advantage of the weak
Wow, great job! I really enjoyed it.
I love the song "the bandit Joaqin". I live in the wild with the bear and wolverine..
Another great one Josh! I don't know if the original Zorro was based on Joaquin but the 1998 movie The Mask of Zorro, staring Antonio Banderas seemed to definitely be based on him. It included 3 Finger Jack & head in the jar, however, Zorro wasn't Joaquin, it was his brother taking vengeance on the injustices done on the Hispanics after his brother Joaquin was killed. Thanks for all you do.
And Alejandro Murrieta was fictional
As a proud Australian, I have to say I resemble that remark. LMFAO seriously, love your work mate.
Haha
Another great episode
Dude I’m trying to listen to this and go to sleep but you are hilarious I laying here laughing my ass off. Keep up the great work
Hope you got some sleep
@@WildWestExtravaganza I found your channel last summer and I’m addicted to it. You have a great way of making it entertaining I recommend it to all my friends.
@@scubaflier1 Thanks man!
No relation to Stan lolololol!
I live near Shasta, CA. More correctly, I live near Kennett, which now lies more than 300 feet below Lake Shasta. This was Murrieta's turf, as well as Black Bart and plenty of others. The history around here is rich. Great episode Josh. BB4L
Lots of awesome history there
I grew up in Mariposa, California. I used to live in the Hornitos and the area where Joaquin Murrieta came from. You should check out the history of Hornitos and his exploits around there
Will do
Nice job on this. I grew up in El Dorado County and stories of Juaquin Murrietta abounded. Just a few names for you: The Treaty of "Guadalupe"- Hidalgo is the full name of the treaty, Tuolomne = Two + all + um + knee, Contra Costa = Contra Cost (like the price of something) + uh. And I remember seeing that pic of Juaquin's head in a jar from when I was a kid!
Thank you for this!
My pleasure!
Funny enough, in the third instalment of the Faces of Death trilogy, there is a short scene where a curator at some museum in CA displays what he said was the head of Murrieta.
You mentioned chief San Pasqual and I sat up! I'm from that area and he was chief of my tribe back then. I'm actually directly related to him. My grandma was his great great great grandaughter. Maybe 2 greats I forget.
Another great podcast Josh. Thanks for the shout out. I had first heard of Joaquin Murrietta when I was listening to a Documentary called The Wild West Most Wanted. They were talking about Tiburcio Vasquez. Which I wondered if maybe you might be interested in doing a podcast on him someday? But they mentioned Joaquin Murrietta several times in the video when talking about Vasquez.
You have to hang out in Mexico for awhile. Suerte!!!
Gonna take your word for it... I don't want "Harry Love" in my search history.
I grew up in the Livermore Valley in Pleasanton CA, one of his hideouts was in the hills i stared at everyday i went school. One of his watering holes for his horses was a natural spring in the valley which is now a winery called "Murrietas Well." Its so cool to finally hear a video about him. Pleasanton was know as the "most desperate town in the west" in the 1870s.
Ah very cool!
Sometimes when I am alone I dress as a cowboy just to watch these videos
Yep the nail on the head about the human population. But there's a lot of things that people don't realize about back in those times as what ethnicity was it was very interesting to check it out keep doing that your back and your powder dry
Hell ya get off work and you have an hour vid! Life is good!!!
I think that what made Joaquin Murrieta blood up. Imagine if you could. Born while California was under recent Mexican rule after the Spanish lost control over their Central American land holding in 1821. Born in 1830 it's mainly old Spanish famlies and Mexican citizens and a fair group of several indian tribes, then you turn 19 and suddenly your up to your armpits with Gringos, Chinese, Australians, European and South American people. No wonder he went to crime.
I myself born in Alaska before the oil boom of 1969, which led to a rush of every type of people, with every background, it greatly changed our society. Yes, at time I can understand why blood letting might be the solution to a problem. But this isn't the days of 'Ol Hickory, if it were it would be diffrent from today.
I think you do a great job on your podcasts. You get most of your stories correct with only a few mistakes. So thank you Josh and keep 'em coming. A future subject slightly off your normal topics would be Lt. Aldophus Greeley and his expedition to northern coastal Canada in 1881in order to do a northern search for the farthest north study.
Good video man
Thanks for your content, you popped up as a recommended, during one of the episodes of “forgotten history”. Most of the current content providers are actually AI, I prefer actual people narrating their content.
Hey, thanks man
Harry Love is my stage name there might be some kind of copyright infringement on this episode.
Whoops!
I did happen to see a picture of Joaquin Murrieta's head inside--just as you said--a brine-filled jar. I saw the picture of this alleged head belonging to him in a newspaper, which was reported to be on display in a museum in a small town in northern California, according to the article. (This was back in the 1980s). If that head did indeed belonged to Joaquin Murrieta, I could see that when he was around, he was fair-complected with longish, coarse jet-black hair, and he looked surprisingly good-looking despite his head being inside that jar all these years. I was shocked when I saw it, the fact that this thing was out there, preserved and on public display still. You asked, so I am telling you. I had once read before in a history class that he had strung up the Chinese on tree limbs by their pigtails and shot out their eyes just because he hated the way they looked so much, not for monetary gain reasons alone so he murdered them just because he was mean. What a horrible man. I only wish that Love and his vigilantes had thought of finishing off Murrieta sooner. I would not doubt at all what you said regarding the Chinese community offering Love money for Joaquin's capture and extermination. They weren't safe with him around.
How deeply would treasure have been buried in 1850's California by a handful of bandits who had just hand tools--perhaps just their knives? Buried treasure sometimes is real. A nugget in "The Magnificent Seven" is that one of the seven gunfighters was obsessed with buried treasure. As the villager informed him, "if we had that treasure, we wouldn't be living here."
You need to make playlists, I'm losing track of what iv listened to and don't want to miss any
I don't understand...what episodes would I put in the playlist?
@@WildWestExtravaganza you could put the Indian ones into playlists and gunslingers , lawmen , mountain men , Texas, Mexico ect ect. The Comanche could have a playlist of there own with lots of video's
It’s like having your bro tell you a story at the bar.
Carry on
Have you ever covered Edward S. Curtis?
Still looking for the Tom Ketchum podcast. and how what was left of the gang ended up in hole in the wall. Also would like to see a bell star pod.
By the mid 1800's most "Californio" families were of mixed Spanish and Native California Indian peoples , they were in effect Mestizo or Metis if you will, and had Rancheros that were Spanish land grants and before the Anglo invasion held much political power and were mostly very well off! The full-blooded Spanish members of these families mostly went back to Spain not Mexico and left part of the family fortune with those who stayed behind and took the rest back to Spain and received grants from the crown and used their fortune to pick up their lives and move on . These people made most of their fortunes off of cattle and horses, with some timber thrown in.
Good info, thanks
I’ve been waiting on that McBride reference!
Oh, the Murrieta ranch is near Hornitos, California
I grew up in Mariposa county, California. I have been on the Murrieta ranch. I used to live in Hornitos where he was known to hang out. If you get a chance, go check out the town
Would love to
They have tunnels that run from the Hornitos bar, down the street so Jauquin could escape from the law
@@WildWestExtravaganza they have tunnels that run from the bar, down the street so Murrieta could escape from the law. Also in that town, was where a very famous candy inventor started before moving to San Francisco. Oh, the real pronouncing of that town you butchered is to-wall-emee.
Viva Juan Cortina, Joaquin Murrieta, Tiburcio Vasquez!
Check out Juan Cortina in the Rio Grande Valley. Believe me. There's a great story.
The great San Joaquin valley..
proud to be raised in the great valley
Thanks for your hard work brotha .. I was born in Socorro.. so two episodes hit home with me .. I am New Mexico now .. your stories made me and aunt laugh.. stay safe .. god bless
Do you think that Joaquín may have used someone else in his place when he was set to be killed?
I don't think so, no. But maybe.
Have you considered doing an Episode of 2 lesser known Outlaw Cowboy Bandits who were from my Hometown Area of CA. whose Sir Names were Sontag and Evans? They were well known in the San Joaquin Valley Area in Counties such as Fresno Co., Kern Co., Kings Co., and Tulare Co.
Interesting??!!
I'm using my wife's tab ..my name is don Joaquin murrieta and a direct descendent to the murrieta s of that time ...Joaquin murrieta was not killed as the traditional story claims as with most of the stories told about Joaquin regarding the reward it had. Time limit to catch Joaquin it has been proven that hery love kill n decapitated a random Mex in order to claim the reward the 5 Joaquin were set up to cause confusion as to the true identity of Joaquin murrieta each were spread out to thru out various towns to conduct their biz so to any one who saw or claimed to have seen Joaquin they would give description of the Joaquin assigned to their town as being the bandit as would the others so a mix up in description confusion there for a method to secure joaquins true description ... As to why Joaquin turned bandit look up law of 1850 394 .....Joaquin died of old .age about 80
One question. How do I join your team for free. I love what you’re doing but I think I could help you grow
This is a blood in, blood out type outfit
@@WildWestExtravaganza where’s the knife?
He is my great great great uncle!!!
Same only hes my great grand father
My Great Great Grandmother was a cousin of his
My great great grandmother was cousin of his
All I can say is pure kickass content, dig it.....giddy up and can't wait to here the next one.....oh yeah found a cool book on who where the first cowboys and who started it and who started all those bad ass hats they wore,...the cowboy hat story, was documentary online, and the book I found. By Russell Freedman , in the days of the Vaqueros, America's first true cowboys, please check it out would be a killer for the podcast...great stuff...jjj
One question tho Josh, you said records were hard to find but how sure are you there was no connection to the Stan marsh of Colorado fame?
You're right, there's always a possibility. South Park Genealogical Association may be of assistance.
I always love when you sneak little jokes in like that and they catch you off guard lol!! Love what you’re doing bro thanks for making my night just a little better!
Not what I was expecting.
They definitely don’t teach about this in school when we’re learning about our local history.
Another excellent podcast however I like to think that the first part of the story is true I mean what else could he have done could he go to the whites and ask for justice for his wife I think not so he would have no other alternative then to seek his own justice he wasn’t going to get it from the white court
Yeah, there will never be any way to know but you're right...he couldn't exactly have gone to the authorities.
You mean immigrant Europeans????.
Believe it’s east of San Francisco.
Yes
Lived in Sonora most of my life it has a lot of tourism due to Colombia being right there and it is a old west type tourist town
Love ya. Mean it.
I got some ocean front property in Arizona. Lol damnit now im gonna have that song stuck in my head
It's the head from Silence of the Lambs.
Is it really?
@@WildWestExtravaganza It looks like it. When Clarice enters the storage unit. I'll dig it up and make sure. But hey I could be wrong lol. Another great episode Senor Josue.
@@WildWestExtravaganza Ok, close but no cigar... wipe this comment from the historical record lol.
Now I'm just curious where it's from
@@WildWestExtravaganza yeah me as well now. I remember that damn head in a jar, and not sure it if from pics on the web, or if I have seen it in real life as a kid.
Hail Joaquin 💪🏽
For sure!!!👍💯
Good Stuff
You should check out Ben Lilly from Louisiana. Little known outdoorsman from back in the day. I’ve been told he almost single handedly wiped out the black bear population in that state.
Imagine being a badass mofo called Harry Love, an absolute unit in your time, with a wicked 'stache and hairdo, and then one day you get cucked and shot by some rando Chad "bodyguard". Nothing F's you up harder than time, man. Feels bad.
We all slip up from time to time
Pio Pico was a governor of California. Pico Boulevard, Pico Rivera
Murrieta was blamed for crimes he never committed and not charged for things he actually did!!
Harry Love and the pretty fella to his right did stuff together around the campfire.
Dave stamey is great.
The Australian joke was nicely inserted for a smelly Seppo hahaha but you might want to fact check before you say Australian. The Californian Gold Rush was roughly 1848-1855 and Australia wasn't a federation until 1901. We were still seperate colonies even during Australia's own gold rush
Also Americans forget they were the original convict colony before Australia was even considered for that. We were both colonised by those bloody limeys after all. Sorry had to shove that in there.
Thank you for reading my useless facts.
Thumbs up overall, I appreciate and am entertained by your videos.
You say, "saggy balls" like it's a bad thing.
It's only bad if they're small.
Happy 4th 🎉
Happy 4th!
Cool story, fom the foothills, hadn't heard him. Tuolumnie = two all uhm me, I think.
I’d very much like to know your sources, what you are saying makes no sense at all. You’re the first to make him out to be nothing more than a common criminal and murder. Other sources say people join him. For some reason you’re saying that he joined a gang.
There are some pretty good articles here in the video description. Did you check them out?
@@WildWestExtravaganzayes, and three of your links lead to websites that are no longer running. The links that are still functional can hardly be called reliable sources. You did touch up on a couple of facts. You left out the part where the sister identify the head. That’s why they called him the Zorro because he recruited people that look similar to him. That’s why they called him the sly fox. A.k.a. Zorro. The part where you said were the preacher confirmed it was joaquin. Of course he’s gonna confirm that. The preacher and the rest of the people that confirm that that was his head wanted to make sure he continued to be the sly fox. I live here in California and I talked to old people that tell me about the legends of joaquin. Them and other historians, true historians agree that he was a Vigilante. His story was so popular that it did make a man write books about a guy name Zorro. From there on a lot of people plagiarized, and made their own version of Zorro. And it went all the way back around back to the states. I will agree with you that the Zorro that we seen on TV and comic books was inspired by different vigilantes.
I was the 33rd like.... Its a sign
It's a sign to be quicker to like
Haaarry Lowe;-) haha
Me gusta
No relation to Stan. Epic
Ta-walla-me County
What kind of european shit is that!???.
The Chinese community showed their gratitude to Harry Love by giving him 1/2 price coupons for Chinese restaurants and laundry from Santa Cruz North to China Town San Francisco, he also received discounts at every massage parlor and opium den in Northern California!
Christ almighty, feels like I'm playiin cards with my sisters kids or somethin
Dear Wild West ... I don't know why I NEVER hear about an unusual wild west hero of mine by the name of Dave Mather.
How about it.
They don't call him Mysterious for nothing! I did talk about him a bit on the Dave Rudabaugh episode.
This story goes a long way to showing that a hero can be made of any scoundrel given the right story teller and a receptive audience.
Josh, ...please do remember that there is no Nation on the face of this Planet have a perfect "Past History". Furthermore, just because History is always written by the Victor, does not mean that the Victor was always in the wrong. Also, there was a Show on one of PBS Channels out there in CA. where one Eliseo Gamino interviews an old Hispano Ranchero Historian by the name of Humberto Garza. You will find some interesting facts about Joaquin Murrieta on it.
If I gave the impression that I think any nation has a perfect history, then I'm doing a very bad job at expressing my views.
@@WildWestExtravaganza Not necessarily. All in all, Josh, I like your Episodes of this Show you have on RUclips.
" Mexican ranchero!!!.
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For what it's worth, news is based on rumor, gossip, myths and lies. History is based on "old news" and on records public and private; yup, that's rumor, gossip, myths and lies. My most recent newspaper cost me $4.50!
Tuolumne.......2 wall eh me
Noted
Sonora California is East of San Francisco not West. Lol
yo my great ancestor was joaquin murrieta
Very cool
Tuolumne two-wall-uh-me
I been told that the Spanish word "Panoche" is also the name for a Spanish Deseart Treat which means Bread Pudding.
It is!
@@WildWestExtravaganza I would like to try some one of these days. If I do, hopefully it is a Dairy-free and Gluten-free Variation thereof.
A head weighs less than a body.
Immigrants of their own land
There's a big misconception of what an american is,in the united states!!!,
Not anymore, daddy's home!!!
Mexicans and there reservation brothers and sisters, are the real, and only north Americans!!! The rest are immigrants, U.S. citizens!!!
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Sucks that he wasn't the hero we thought of him as
That's history for you
Just an observation being a born and raised Californian, Sonora is east of San Francisco, not west or it would be in the Pacific ocean lol. Just sayin...🎩😆
I dunno why but my mind flips east and west when Im recording
@@WildWestExtravaganza directional dyslexia lol. They call me "The Smartass Kid" 🎩😆