A CONVENIENT DISQUALIFICATION! The Story of the 1966 Monte Carlo Rally
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- The lights were legal, until they weren't. But apparently they were always illegal so... The right decision- It just happened to give the French car a win.
Conspiracy gonna conspiracy, but this is a story that has often been mentioned in videos but only until now have I been able to do a full in-depth look at things. So what is this whole thing with the Minis at Monte Carlo? Let's have a look.
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Nose is bunged up for the entire time I record. As soon as I say 'goodbye' and finish the recording... Sinuses open up.
WHY!?
Anyway, at least I sound like a proper car bore.
Dont be so hard on yourself mate. You sound ok given you are stuffed up. Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year. Look after yourself so you can be back in the new year doing these great story time videos. How much does Pat look like Stirling? Strong family resemblance.
"I think you'll find..."
The year 1966 was a big year for Mini at another race as well. The Mini Cooper S filled the top 9 positions at that years Gallaher 500, the annual endurance race at Mt Panorama which is now known as the Bathurst 1000. Rauno Aaltonen was the winning driver with Bob Holden, an Australian as his co-driver.
3:30 I love how it says "If you can read this please turn me over" upside down under the window.
That was the car my dad rallied in the '60s. He had connections to Cooper and was one of the first people asked to rally it in Britain. I asked him how he'd even driven one because he was 6ft tall. He said he had the seat fully back, he'd close his eyes and follow his codriver's instructions!
Thank you for telling some of Pat Moss's story. She was Dad's biggest racing hero. It would be wonderful if you could expand. Ann Jones is worth looking up too.
This was more emotional than I thought it could be. He passed on about 7½ years ago and I still want to call him up when certain things happen. But I'm really glad you did this story, it means a great deal to me.
This kind of reminds me of the 2003 F1 season where Bridgestone complained about the Michelin tyres. The head of Michelin was angry because 'We asked the FIA, when do you measure the size of the tyres. They said when new. We designed the tyre accordingly'
If you have a rulebook, you can't then change it at the last minute. This was very underhanded
Patrick Head sumed it up perfectly back then when he called Ross Brawn out during a press conference at the Italian GP: "Why did you wait for 38 races for raising this point? If you had this view all the time, it seems an odd time to raise it, Ross." Those tyres were legal since the 2001 San Marino GP (something that Head pointed out) and now were deemed illegal once the Michelin-shod Williams, McLaren and Renault began getting the upper hand and Ferrari threw a fit. This was the turning point for Michelin losing the 2003 title.
Another famous Mini victory was the 1966 Bathurst 500 with Rauno Aaltonen and Bob Holden. Minis took the first 9 places, all were Cooper S's. It was the first win for a front wheel drive car in the race and Aaltonen was the first foreign driver to win the race.
Another famous feature of the Mini was its rear subframe. I was a passenger in one when it collapsed; an experience like lowering yourself comfortably onto a toilet and having the bowl disintegrate under you, as the rear arches fell onto the wheels.
My dad made the front and rear subframe collapse over a hump back bridge in the 80s, that thing was apparently held together with rust patches
@@bjarulez British car. It’s a feature.
Dynamic suspension
That's the most accurate description I've ever heard
Single use heave spring
Yeah that disqualification was pants! Gotta love a Mini. It bears mentioning that the MIni won the Bathurst 1000 in 1966 down here in Aus. One of the drivers was Rauno Aaltonen. No small thing as it was a tough race. The Mini was pretty popular down here in Aus too.
Great vid once again! The thing with Timo and Tommi Mäkinen is that they are not related. Mäkinen is actually one of the most common last names in Finland so thinking that Timo and Tommi are related is the Finnish equivalent of thinking that Jack and Tom Smith must be related because they share the same last name. All though there are only ~5mil. of us Finns so I don't blame people for thinking that. Also Rauno Aaltonen is an under rated driver because not only did he win stuff in rally, he was also incredibly gifted with motorbikes and boats. It's something you should look into. PS his father opened the first ever Speedway course in Finland after the war.
Now I know why there is an achievement in Dirt Rally 2.0 for driving 66 (tedious) kilometres in a DS in Monte Carlo. Great video as always, Aidan.
Ironically the disqualification probably gave BMC more publicity than the 1,2,3 would have done.
As a lad, I remember watching on a black and white telly, a race from Brands Hatch. The Mini had just been released to the dealerships and to give sales a boost someone, probably John Cooper, thought that a promotional race should be held and invited as many F1, saloon and sports car drivers who were available to take part. I don't know if there had been any proper qualifying but the grid was drawn by ballot. As they came to the grid and the commentators waxed lyrical about the new micro car now available, a certain Graham Hill was seen walking down the grid having a word with every driver before returning to his car. Up went the Union flag (no lights in those days), down came the flag and they all set off. BACKWARDS! Only for about 20 yards or so, but then as one, they selected first and set off towards Paddock Hill. I have no recollection of who won but the dealers who had supplied the cars straight from their showrooms were later counting the cost as F1 drivers were reluctant to give way to each other in these 750cc bolides and bodywork became non standard. Also another fault reared it's head as the loading on the standard steel wheels was too much for the wheel studs that had a few of them becoming tricycles until they hit the banks! What a laugh that was, unless you were one of the unlucky dealers!
Hello Aidan: I was waiting for you to mention the film, "The Italian Job." You didn't disappoint. Thank you.
My Grandmother, who lives in a village near Leeds, remembers as a kid (I believe in the 50s) saying good luck to a family friend who was going to Monte Carlo. When she came back, she was a Monte Carlo Rally winner as the Co-Driver for Sheila van Damm. It’s not a special story, but as a rally fan it’s one of those cool stories that I like to think about. I’d love to hear about stories like these, and this video really reminded me of when she won the rally. (I forgot her name but it ended with Jackson.)
Pat Moss and her husband deserve their own clip.
Might be the cans talking, my fav episode.
Of a certain age but everyone knew or was a mini owner, even in NZ
Im old enough to remember this at the time my big brother had a cooper that was tuned to the point of madness, it was a race car without a roll cage on the streets, yes it was in the shop every Sunday to get tuned as it needed it every week lol, later I managed to get one when I lived in North Wales and what a car it was around the country lanes. I met the drivers I think they lived around the Wolverhampton area as they was customers at the computer company I worked at back last century
Another French fit up job, IMO. Just like Jean-Marie Balestre during his time at FISA, now FIA. Biased towards their fellow countryman/ manufacturer
Always loved the Mini Cooper. Two as the family car when I was growing up.
The Mini was an incredible rally car, and now because marketting reasons = more budget for racing, we're seeing massive SUVs trying to squeeze around. It's still incredible, but I do vastly prefer the smaller cars. Same reason I'm kinda glad BTCC hasn't updated their cars yet. They'll likely end up with SUV frames.
I wouldn't be opposed to chucking a Jeep Trackhawk and Merc G-Wagon around a circuit just to see which one is better, but that's a bit out of left field and too wacky I guess.
Another thing about the mini - somewhere there's footage of one of these at the Armstrong 500 (the imperial precursor to today's Bathurst 1000) missing the turn at Murray's, doing a U turn in the run off, and rejoining the main straight... All in excess of 40mph. A Morris Cooper also took a class win at the first Armstrong 500 at Mt Panorama (Wahluu to the traditional custodians of Wiradjuri country) in 1963.
It couldn't possibly be more obvious that the French disqualified the cars so a French car could win.
I remember watching the minis versus the Ford Galaxys at Castle Combe in the 90's. The Fords would disappear on the straights but a braking distance of at least three times the Mini, so they'd all close up again.
IIRC you can blame Jean-Marie Balestre for the 'rule change' that saw the mini's and the cortina banned from the race. He would change the rules during a race when he was head of FISA and the FIA!
Everyone loves an underdog story and the Mighty Mini lives on with the fact that nobody really thought it was going to be successful or even gave it a chance against the often 3 or 4 times more powerful and expensive Porsches or Saabs
From memory of early minis (I had a 76 1000 as my first car, and my dad bought a rotten 66 'cooper s' that was actually an 850) They didnt even have headlight bulbs, the headlights where always sealed beam units where you would replace the whole light if they stopped working, dont think they used bulbs until sometime in the mid 90's, even my 91 cooper had sealed beams for about a month after I bought it before upgrading. So to be able to see anything you needed to change the headlights.
Happy New Year! Please consider a story on the Mini Cooper victory at Bathurst in 1966!
10:10 Nice to see a photo of 33EJB, a car I had the pleasure of driving a short distance when I worked at Rover. Strangely that was 1989 when the car was just 23 years old, now of course she’s 57!
I didn't watch the video yet, but you, Aidan, has top content for the off season so far, I see AM, I'm interested, I see '66 rally Monte Carlo, I definitely click. Thank you...
One of many fits thrown in motorsport by the French.
Pedant moment, sorry, it was the 'British Motor Corporation' ( not company..) Leyland cut their (ST, Special tuning) Rally driving dept from the dinky stuff and concentrated on the 1800 'Landcrab' (That's a story of a car name in itself, racing across the Aussie bush). Great vid though Aiden, Pat Moss,who ended up marrying Erik Carlsson (Mr Saab) and is a legend in her own right, on horses or wheels... The French didnt want a three time winner on their hands (Kinda like how they kept trying to stop riders taking Eddy Merkx's opening stage wins record, in Le Tour De France, I think it was 5...Until one of our lot...Boardman or Cavendish or Wiggo, cant recall, smashed it iirc. The Frogs are a tad sore when their heros get taken off their plinths)
Now do a vid on Erik and the Saab 92-96. That was a proper giant killer!!
Hope the nose clears, keep warm, safe, and well!
Awesome cars... any corner at any speed
Still miss my mini.. one day ill have another
I've been waiting for this one for a long time.
Great video
If you want some trivia about the Australian Mini: Built at Leyland Australia's Victoria Park plant in Zetland, Sydney. Manufactured using Australian steel, glass and trim, only the engines came as crate units. Deviations from U.K. spec included obvious stuff like better cooling and tougher suspension, but all Minis also came with those front-window quarter-vent flaps so beloved of smokers...
FWIW I too find myself getting into rally these days - a lot of decisions made by Holden in the 1960s make a lot more sense if rallying is a big deal, and the barrier between "touring cars" (really production cars) and rallying was reeeeal porous back then.
I was lucky enough to meet Paddy twice in my life - as his binman! Lovely lovely man, was sad when he died
My current daily driver is a 2004 R53 Cooper S, I love it to bits, but it has nothing on my 1981 998 Mini City! That thing had no real power, and drum brakes all round - the rubber cones were solid, and the rear arms had seized, so the only real suspension was in the tyres - I basically drove it flat out everywhere, it would cock a leg at roundabouts - god I miss that little heap of rust! 😂
Pat Moss wasn't very keen on the mini. She didn't like the way it cornered.
Pat joined BMC to rally the big Healey, but did a great job in a Mini with someone called Stuart Turner as her co-driver.
Merry Christmas to Aidan and everyone else who tunes in.
I highly doubt a mini cooper could corner better than a formula 1 car of its time
The similar stuff was happening at the Dakar races in the 1980 and early 1990s. I think it was Peugeot at that time - they were effectively rebuilding the car for every stage and got away with it. Competitors cars were strangely held by customs, officials were late on purpose....
I'm more interested in rallycross... Than stage rally. Although recently fell out of love with that too.
For me it's similar, tho I have gotten back into stage rallys/hillclimbs again. Especially the later are full insane, pushing north of 1000hp in a modified production car up a hill
Dirtfish have some good rally videos. They recently did a couple with Oliver Solberg in a classic escort which were great
I miss the days of sporty practical and affordable cars that the average bloke could buy (and I wasn't even alive during those days): cars like the Mini Cooper, BMW 2002, Mazda RX3, first generation Nissan Skyline GT-R (nicknamed the "Hakosuka"), Toyota AE86 (*Eurobeat intensifies*), Nissan NX2000, Nissan Sentra SE-R, Nissan 180SX, Nissan 300ZX (Nissan, what happened to you?), Toyota Celica, Saturn SC, Ford Capri, Ford Escort, Ford Focus, Ford Fiesta, Ford Sierra (goddamit Ford, you used to make so many good cars in Europe, why'd you stop making them?), Honda Integra, Acura RSX, Volkswagen Corrado, Volkswagen Karmann Ghia, Audi 80 Coupe, Volvo 240, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Mitsubishi Cyborg, Mitsubishi Galant VR4, BMW 1 Series (back when the cars were rear wheel drive), Mazda MX3, Mazda MX6, Honda CRX, Honda Del Sol etc.
The economy, crossover SUVs and increasing complexity of newer vehicles all killed those cars off. Maybe we might see a resurgence of sporty practical and affordable cars once EVs become commonplace but it just wouldn't feel the same.
Excelent video.
Curious bit of Monte history; no British driver has won since Vic Elford in 1968 in a Porsche......who then won the Daytona 24 a week later for Porsche. I don't think this will ever happen again.......
Do a video on the 2011 Deutschland Rally
Wish you hadn't referred to the company as mini. That was the model not the constructor who was BMC. Wonder if the Cortina was from Dagenham or Cologne?
French bending rules in order to win??? How dare you?! Jean Marie Ballestre in the late 80's of F1 and the Dakar Rally organization while Robby Gordon was participating would be pissed to hear such a thing!
Sounds like a legit "Montreal screw job" to me
In the 1960s & 1970s British teams and drivers (and Finnish drivers in rallying) began to flood the top ranks of motorsport as French participation in comparison dried up. At this time the major sporting bodies were still French dominated, they started organised motorsport in 1887 and were a large part of the early decades until the Germans and Italians in 1930s & 1950s. By the 1950’s Talbot were the only French player left in F1 and Renault the only car factory too big to dismantle staying in Paris in the 1940s. France’s high-end automotive industry was stripped of equipment and people, who were enslaved by Germany in WWII. Its a point that the Mercedes and Alfa Romeo winners in the 1950s were 1930’s cars, they were just that fast. The British success in car racing seemed to boom after its aircraft industry had in the 1940s & 1950s. This did create a lot of suspicion around the French rule makers, if French teams or drivers benefited from decisions, but who can tell, the French are well known for their diligence to the rule book and precise measurement of car parts to an obsessional level as we all know 😼
Always a good job
Mr Aidan Millward you really need to drive one for a week if you haven't. Anyone that's had one knows why it's liked so much. Of all the cars I have had I only love my Mini. I now have a Mk4 MX5. I like it but I would never love it like the Mini. There is nothing like it to drive and goes around corners liked you would think was possible, and you can park it almost anyplace.
oooooo there is....its called trabant :D
9:40 malicious compliance is just great fun.
Paddy Hopkirk confirmed the 12th Beatle.
It was a stich up; the Mini was the winner.
Good effort - O’Clery is pronounced “O’Cleary”.
Gaelic, Welsh and Danish are very weird languages. 😅
Lol, the French missed the joke, inspector Clusoe is so clumsy, he bought an English car instead of a French one, not even an Italian one.
GP Laps WOOOOOOO
♥️🇬🇧😁if you ain't crashed a mini you ain't s**t.
The French are extremely poor losers, so yes, this was 100% deliberate. It is not a stereotype that the French are the most chauvinistic people around, with the possible exception of the Americans.
Disqualifying a car over the use of the wrong light bulbs, which have 0 impact on the actual performance, is pedantic to the point of being pathetic. The fact they went over those 4 cars with a fine tooth comb, and only those cars, says it all. If they hadn't found the bulbs, they would've made something up.
It reminds me of the mentality of Balestre during the Senna era, where Prost was protected by the FIA because he was French. It is just a sad shitshow they create by being this way. The fact it is still being discussed all those decades later shows how bad of an idea this was.
Although so I understand Prost didn't like Balestre
@@reptongeek It was much to his advantage and he never complained. Understandably so, it's F1. You take what you can get and if you have the right people on your side, life is a lot easier. I also understand why Prost didn't like Balestre. From what I've seen, he was not a nice person.
Timo most deffo was tommi’s father
In days long gone by nations would try and help their cars win. It probably wouldn't be hard to find Italian or British inspectors finding problems with other nations cars. British cars finishing top 4 in a French raice for years will upset the French. Maybe not the Germans or Italians, but it would the French
I should look at how popular F1 is when a Ferrari wins the championship. Is it more or less than a McLaren or Redbull or Mercedes.
Ferrari being the only founding member left has a lot more sway on what can and can not happen. If F1 makes more money with a Ferrari winning they might just help them when they can.
Hum, so the FIA has always been questionable ……….
Loeb era ruined the appeal of rally for alot of people
Yes they did the wrong thing disqualifying to give the win to a French car
We was robbed!
No reference to the 1966 Armstrong 500 Mini dominance?
SHAME.
No, since this is about mini in rally.
@@AidanMillward fair point
As a racing RUclipsr what do you think of the crackdown of NASCAR on fair use material?
You had that problem with the F1 bullshit and now the whole NASCAR community is hit.
The idiots at nascar don’t seem to understand that those RUclipsrs are the only reason people get into Nascar at all these days.
People like Brock Beard are absolutely legendary and NASCAR could never deliver the quality information he does!
We finally need a video platform out of the EU where fair use is held in very high regard!
Unfortunately in America there’s only corporate greed that rules the courts, that’s why nobody sues RUclips for it in the USA.
The money would win.
In Europe this would be totally different and we finally could use media like we should be able too!
Has Slapshoes been hit?
@@JohnSmithShields all of them got hit.
Some made videos, some posted on twitter about it and so on.
It’s just a disgrace!
As am imp driving boi I must post my obligatory "imp was better" comment even though that's not particularly true
Not particularly true? Tell that to Jim Richards! 🙂
Shed racing
Best kind
Garagista’s
Unfortunately, it's not a fuggin joke?
There are no model classic minis in the Monte Carlo souvenir shop. Why? do you think they are pissed off.🤣