Popper, Soros and the Open Society
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Karl Popper, known for his concept of falsifiability in the philosophy of science, also was a somewhat influential political thinker in his time. Popper endorsed what he called "the Open Society," a liberal democratic society based on abstract and depersonalized material connections, instead of direct social relationships.
This vision was particularly influential on one of Popper's now famous students, George Soros, who would go on to use his significant wealth won in financial markets to found the Open Society Foundation, a significant source of funds for leftist political agitation and pressure in America and Europe. Soros's worldview has somewhat departed from Popper's, with an emphasis on what Soros calls reflexivity, the principle that in human domains, our theories of world affect the world itself.
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Ironic to say that Plato isn't that important; for one thing obviously Aristotle was Plato's student, who was Socrates' student, and then the student of Aristotle was none other than Alexander the Great.
Also, the likes of Vervaeke with 'awakening from the meaning crisis' and related projects have really brought Platonism into focus; just see Keith Woods' recent videos as well.
>not FLAC
Karl Popper most likely could not deadlift more than Plato, therefore he is wrong.
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Good point.. good point..
Can't falsify that
Plato would wrestle fuck popper
@@mistakenmeme Plato was a professional wrestler.
Karl Pooper
It was inevitable...
toilet tier argumentation
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So true king!
Open Soyciety
0:00 Start - The Open Society (Popper's Book)
19:38 I want to speak to our manager
50:01 The break
1:10:12 On George Soros & Open Society Foundation
1:30:32 Conclusion, recommendations (or the opposite)
How about we start with the first true thing this guy says.....oh wait....
@@martineshamzin7535 Go hang out with your friends instead of being passive aggressive in the RUclips comment section. Yelling at the TV wasn't a healthy boomer hobby. It hasn't gotten healthier for you, zoomer.
@@martineshamzin7535 37:0 what's wrong with democracy Lorn
So basically he wrote a giant excuse for why he should rule as a dictator in the shadows using manipulation instead of a open dictator using direct violence. You're not excused Juice boy.
Plus advocating for an "Open Society" in my book makes somebody a bad guy as well.
Early Life never fails.
@@redcoat4348 Except when Wikipedia deliberately removes Early life to protect the tribe.
@@vargdog6602 Your comment(YT ghostbanned it): >Carroll Quigley describes the rise of the Secret Group the Milner Group, and how it preserves "liberal democracy" throughout the world and how it tries to secretly influence the world.
>Quigley endorses the group saying that although their means we're bad their ends were righteous.
>Quigley also details in his book Tragedy and Hope how the groups related to the Milner group take advantage of the two party system and central banking to remain in invisible power.
>Quigley also says this group declined after WW2 and is a shell of it's former self.
>British rule declines; American World Order rises.
>Allen Dulles, key member of the Council on Foreign Relations (Started by the Milner Group and Allen Dulles is also mentioned as an important member of the CFR) starts the CIA and is head of the CIA until the Kennedy administration.
>CIA since it's beginning works on globalization, growing as a secret power over the world. Influencing European, Middle Eastern, South American, and Asian political spheres.
>Victor Marchetti, a former special deputy director for the CIA details in his book, The CIA and The Cult of Intelligence, that the CIA originally sought out global control but later scrapped the idea.
>CIA over time partners with NGOs and Corporations along with the IMF and World Bank and starts globalizing nations, forcing monopolies to control them and ruining lives for private benefit. This is eventually called economic hitman work.
>One of the NGOs that helps spread this globalization is the Open Society Foundation.
>OSF is inspired by Karl Popper who describes in a very similar way what the Milner Group was while also combining elements of technocracy.
>The technocracy elements are growing more and more each day in the modern era.
This can't all be a coincidence right? Is it possible there is a worldwide conspiracy inherited by the CIA/CFR? Is there anyone like Quigley that has historically documented such groups past the 1970s? Regardless of any of this, society is definitely heading in one direction, and that direction does not look pretty.
@@vargdog6602 Alex Jones
33:43 "Tradition is a set of solutions for which we have forgotten the problems."
Yeah, that's a good quote. But in most cases, we just don't know, if we forgot the problems or if the problem has already been solved in a better way nowadays.
Some traditions were never solutions, but creators of problems.
I think of traditions of physically abusing women for speaking "out of turn".
@@NawidN Was that an actual thing ever?
@@NawidN That has always been considered wrong, at least in the West.
@@NawidN Because granting too much freedom to women leads to the decay of society. Example: turn on the tv
Luke, the topic of the decline of happiness in Western democracies is absolutely worth dedicating an entire episode to. It would be a more general topic than some of the more esoteric deep dives on specific works or ideas, but would certainly be a topic applicable to nearly everyone, whether they are aware of it or not all across the Western world.
Yeah, a dude that thinks there is a country called Hungaria is just genius.
I feel this topic is such a 'taboo' or at least people think it's just non-existent, just like they believe that democracy means personal freedom. People are most likely still telling themselves that they are happier than anywhere else in the world or any other era in history "because they live in modern and free countries"
@@tresojos Thats probably mostly Hollywood telling them its a great time to be alive. Honestly, this country has never seen harder times. its not difficult to see extreme economic decline in every city. Plus, we have an administration that is dedicated to pushing people into groups that traditionally have extreme suicide rates like LGBTQ, with trans people having suicide rates so high, that only 20% have NOT tried to kill themselves. How is it taboo? Everyone knows it.
@@martineshamzin7535 Yes so it seems. There's still a big difference between everyone knowing something- and accepting something as a reality/acting upon it
@@martineshamzin7535 Whats wrong? Hungaria is my favorite country besides Englandia
35:24 It's not entirely accurate to say Plato wasn't very influential in the Middle Ages. 1) Plato was the teacher of Aristotle, and there is plenty of Plato in Aristotle (and in Thomas Aquinas, for that matter), 2) the Isogogue, a widely read introduction to Aristotle's categories at the time, was a commentary by Porphyry, a Neoplatonist from late antiquity (this also illustrates how Neoplatonist philosophers saw Plato and Aristotle as largely saying complementary things, rather than contrary things). This contributed to the people of the Middle Ages understanding Aristotle through a Neoplatonic lense/framework. 3) The lack of access to the complete works of Plato in the Middle Ages can only be really true of the Latin West. The Eastern Roman Empire continued to have full access to all of Plato (and Aristotle, and all the rest), in the original language, throughout the Middle Ages. 4) What little Plato the Latin West did have access to was highly influential throughout the period. 5) St. Dionysius the Areopagite was widely read in the Latin West and the Roman East, and his thought shares many commonalities with Neoplatonism.
The Middle Ages were highly influenced by Plato.
Howdy. 1) Aristotle was barely taught by Plato and was deemed by Plato to be one of his worst students and completely unfit for any advanced or esoteric teachings. Aristotle did not understand Plato. 2) Neoplatonists, or anyone for that matter, who believe Plato and Aristotle are saying largely complimentary rather than contrary things have clearly not read Plato and Aristotle, for their differences are night and day. 3) Good point. 4) How? 5) Another good point, though let us note that, while Dionysius the Areopagite is much more like Plato than Aristotle, Dionysius and Plato still had some disagreements on fundamental issues (such as how we know and realize God). Two Plato scholars I recommend are Norman D. Livergood and Pierre Grimes. I also recommend the paper The Post-Modern Attack On Plato by F. L. Jackson. Best wishes.
@@tjalferes
1) That's interesting.
2) Regardless, I think it is pretty clear modern scholarship has overemphasized the disagreements of the two, and ancient Neoplatonism seems to have clearly produced a sort of synthesis between them.
4) If you're unaware of the Platonic influence on the thought (or at least thought parallel to Plato; the Platonic and generally Hellenic influence on the thought of the Middle Ages can also be overemphasized and often is by antagonistic scholars as a means of attacking the sincerity and genuineness of the Middle Ages' Christianity) of the Middle Ages, there is much scholarship on the topic. I listened to a playlist of lectures a while ago on a different topic then this, but it ended up summarizing some of this research.
5) I'd be the first one to point out the differences between St. Dionysius and Plato in thought and to oppose the overemphasis of the influence the latter had on the prior. That's why I only said they have many commonalities. St. Dionysius is clearly a thoroughly Christian thinker, as certain more careful scholars have pointed out.
God bless.
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Yep agreed, without Plato ther'es no Neoplatonism so goodbye Hermeticism, goodbye entire Western Esoteric Tradition, no more Kabbalah, no more Rennaissance, no nothing, but I also agree with the other guy that Aristotle was basically the reverse of Plato for all intents and purposes, as portrayed in Raphael's School of Athens (one pointing upwards "as above" while the other pointing downwards "so below" - I'll let you devise which is which). On the other hand Plato also advocated for slaves so... Just sayin.
Actually neoplatonism was quite influential in the middle ages since there were overlaps and similarities in character between neoplatonism and Augustinianism. St. Augustine, the most influential theologian in the middle ages, was Platonic at least in his theological anthropology. Works such as Timaeus was widely read in the middle ages. The Victorines were more Augustinian and the school of Chartres were more Platonic. Aristotle was introduced to Europe (there was no "Europe" before around 8th century) in around 12th century. His thoughts were regarded avant-garde and incited many controversies since it was through the interpretation of Avicenna and Averroes, especially the latter, who held theses such as the unity of the intellect and the immanence of the deity, that Aristotle's thoughts were introduced. For instance, in the University of Paris Aristotelian philosophy was mainly read and developed in the faculty of art, and the theology professors and theologians were Platonic and Augustinian. Bernard of Clairvaux fought and condemned Peter Abelard fiercely for his proto-Aristotelian logic. Aquinas was condemned for his Aristotelian thoughts, and St.Bonaventure debated Aquinas on behalf of the traditional Augustinian and Platonian thoughts. Many Franciscan Aristotelian scholastic philosophers were in fact Platonic at heart. Thomism became somehow official only after counter-reformation, and was really influential only in jurisprudence. Tons of Thomist Dominicians in the late middle ages, for example Meister Eckhart, reverted to neoplatonism.
1:01:00 what did he mean by house if the rising son misery ?
“Democracy destroys the unity of the Rumanian nation, dividing it among political parties, making Rumanians hate one another, and thus exposing a divided people to the united congregation of [foreign] power at a difficult time in the nation's history. This argument alone is so persuasive as to warrant the discarding of democracy in favor of anything that would ensure our unity -- or life itself. For disunity means death.” -- Codreanu
The way Luke says soyence haha
Francis Parker Yockey - Imperium. Highly recommended.
YOCKEY??? LIKE THE GUY FROM TNO??????? 🖐️😮🖐️
Is it recommended to read Spengler beforehand?
Carl Schmitts Concept of the political for a quick btfo of liberalism
All of you are wrong. Read the book "in defence of aristocracy" by Anthony Ludovici
Legend says he caught some wild internet in the woods and used it all to upload this single podcast
Would you mind doing an episode on libertarians and ancaps in particular?
@@jcs27 I'd watch it and so would you
@@jcs27 Thank you, I appreciate it
My guy is back finally.
My guy is black finally
How do you convert your audio recording to video?
Do you have a function for that ?
I tried ffmpeg -y -i $Image -i $Audio -c:a copy $Out.avi
but i could not upload the .avi file that it output to youtube.
Or do you use the "Noob" way of doing it?
I still dont understand what falsifiability means other than scientific provability. Every scientific hypothesis is falsifiable, otherwise it wouldnt be scientific. Please help me out here.
My view of organic society is a society with meaningful and real associations. Once they got too big for that, they became 'abstract' or as he would put it depersonalized. But that didn't stop it from being managed. Such a depersonalized society seems to be only possible through a strong top-down order. Basically like a lawful evil thing. Looks like an attempt to make an 'abstract' society of his type would be dystopic as they have been relatively speaking for most humans in the Holocene.
I mean Popper was essentially correct in that Plato's ideal utopian society, "The Republic", was essentially a totalitarian militaristic state.
Content status: CONSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED.
what's the font used for the logo?
ChadBrains
Samons was a Professor of mine. He was actually quite great.
_An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred._
So Popper is the origin of the bug man, I see
Is the typo in the tagline intentional?
13:36 A lot of people have proposed that Plato's Republic and the totalitarianism/utopianism therein is actually not representative of Plato's actual beliefs and is in fact intended ironically by Plato. Given Plato's (or at least Platonism's) penchant for concealing the true meanings of works of literature, it isn't entirely beyond the pale that this might be the case. Worth looking into.
Penchant, not pension. Don't worry, you can take it for granite that in this doggy dog world, mistakes like that are a diamond dozen.
I think it is the same what Popper does with Socrates. They want to like him / use him, but they don't like his works.
@@evelynwalton6674 lol
Add these to your spotify!!!! Another great video
Get on Schopenhauer and Heidegger my man...
What mic are u using sounds great
Your claim that he only has good things to say about Marx is weird. Mostly people see the open society and it’s enemies as a takedown of Marxism. Why do you think there has been lot of things published in defence of Marx against Popper? For instance cornfords the open philosophy and the open society.
Though if you are claiming that he says positive things about Marx as a scholar and a person then I might br willing to concede, but Poppet also concedes in a footnote that he might have too generous about Marx’s character. But, in my opinion, Marx’s scholarship is good and he is worth reading.
You are confusing Marxism with Communism. Popper agreed with the stated goals of Marxism. His takedown was of communism as a means of implementing Marxian ideology.
This episode maybe one of the best together with Feierabend and Stoicism
I've been waiting for it the whole month
Who is Play Doh? I always undetstand Play Doh. I thought, that's a plasticine for children.
Plato
@@salj.5459 I already got it after he mentioned him in a few other videos.
It's a bit weird how his name is pronounced in English :P
But thanks :)
Have you read any of A. W. Tozer's work, Luke?
WOW
Indeed
What is soyence?
Soy+science
The abstract society is not the same thing as an open society.
So what I'm getting here is that Popper was basically a satanist lol.
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Popper destroyed Hegel who was Marx's main influence. So how does Soros, a Marxist acolyte, claim he is for an open society when he supports political groups who favors closed societies? Soros has shown Popper is not an influence on him, but instead seems to be rebelling against the teachings of Popper. This guy speaking needs to allow the philosophy teachers to talk to us about Karl Popper. I rather hear what Daniel N Robinson or Ross Kelly has to say about Popper.
Soros is a globalist who believes in enforced egalitarianism via “democracy.” Liberalism at the barrel of a gun
The ends justify the illogical process.
Uploaf
Luke, is there a reason why you don't take notes? Are you familiar with Zettelkasten, how to take smart notes etc. community of note takers in academia? Is note-taking small brained?
Soros is palpatine, change my mind.
#blacklivesmatter
@@omalone1169 i'm sorry this is a wendy's
luke sounds tired
it's all so tiresome
110th
I don't like the idea of marriage.
Especially nowadays marriage is unnecessary. There's not even a huge penalty for breaking up. Not by law nor by social norms, which I don't really care about anyway.
If I want some relationship to be stable, we could make our own rules on how our relationship should work.
@@choomaque I agree.
But a marriage legitimized by a state doesn't help.
If you start a relationship, telling everyone of your family and friends about it is better than marrying in secret, if the relationship should last.
Wow. What a command of history you have! It's remarkable! Thank you! But what I really like is your kjv bible app on the command line. Using it a lot more often, Bible verses at my finger tips. Thank you so much, Luke.
>app
What did you expect from someone with Popper’s early life history?
Oy vey
shut it down!
The amount of vaguery in this statement signals to people many different things. Instead of being a coward why don’t you just say what you have to say.
+Drew Zi
He’s Israeli. Is that enough for you tattletale?
@@redcoat4348 what. Popper was Anglo-Austrian. Popper’s early life history is as a communist.
I feel like they switched to making societies based on person's involvement in funny medical procedures where they would either remove certain body parts or add certain fluids
Early Life Simulator
It is clear what he means by it. The fact that you think he should have a clear ideological systems is exactly the problem. The system he is putting forward is not an ideological one. The system he is putting forward is a methodological one, about the best way to change society that does not apriori favour any particular proposal for improvement. Any political system that increases the amount and intensity of criticism is a good one, which means increasing the openness to dissenting views. All ideologies attempt to reduce the amount of criticism of their favoured principles.He separates methodology from ideology and you’re asking him to recombine them, which is absurd. democracy, in his eyes, is a system that allows and fosters criticism, it is a system that therefore takes all ideological positions seriously and tries to milk them for solutions to problems, and where they are found lacking to reject the proposals. Whether or not we need a central government or a decentralised government cannot be decided apriori but by piecemeal improvement through criticism. I cannot see an ideology just a solution to a major problem that has plagued democracy for most of its life.
I've heard the same arguments from a 14 year old who thinks he's figured the world out as I have from Karl Popper.
"there are better ways to learn than from books" based I never read books
Uncle Luke getting banned in 3 2
2 Live Crew got censored
I can tell from the title that this episode is going to go into detail about how the elite treats the common man like dumb cattle. Totally bogus, their hubris knows no bounds. Anyway, back to consooming this content
You should make an episode on Bertrand Russel and his mathematical philosophy.
You dont even need to early life check popper or soros...
thanks, now I have an excuse to clean my house
The lower/middle classes increasingly work and stress their asses off to outcompete each other out while the guys at the top are immovable and reap all the benefits is what I’m getting here. A very Darwinian, dystopian “open society” made for billionaires. A fucking nightmare TBH.
22:00 Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy is a book on economics, sociology, and history by Joseph Schumpeter, (1942)
I feel like I'm listening to a less dramatic Soverign Nations. Also, Popper was known also for the "tolerance paradox" which I agree with to a point. But you have to choose a baseline to start with so you know what you cannot tolerate, and I choose a baseline (Christ) in direct opposition to his.
Sovereign Nations is mandatory listening.
That j believe is a good standard. Normally however, people invoke Popper's intolerance to exclude right wing extremism but we should use it to not tolerate satanism.
I thought the tolerance paradox was Herbert Mercuse. It's hard though because I get all these perverted pedos mixed up
The idea of reflexivity is Popper's. It is in his 'The Poverty of Historicism'; he calls it the Oedipus effect, he later generalised it in his theory of the three worlds.
Wow man. Literally, i went to buy Popper's OSAIE, and saw Soros wrote the forward and was like "What the fuck, please tell me there is someone who can explain this to me right now" and here you are!
Popper was way too much optmistic about democracy and freedoms
He wasn't optimistic, he was cynical and sly. He knew exactly where they would end up. Go to Wikipedia and read his early life. You will understand.
@@Laotzu.Goldbug What has his early life got to do with it? You are a paranoid little bunny.
@@Laotzu.Goldbug Oy vey
just alter your voice, make another site with a new political podcast and unleash all the things you don't want to say here.. and then shill for it
The Prosecutor did a great video on this. The guy is a genius. He used to upload on RUclips but moved to gab iirc. His channel is still on here with tons of good material.
The decline of happiness in western democracies? Hmm sounds familiar. I better write a letter to my uncle Ted asking what he thinks.
Weird gaps in audio?
I think we all swim in a sea that has been polluted by Popper.
Nonsense.
If they can make it work in Israel first, I am willing to look in to it.
Any update?
Holy crap, I just finished fooled by randomness by nassim taleb who wrote about popper and soros and the open society.
good book
That guy believes IQ is a “pseudoscientific swindle” and that differences in intelligence between races are trivial
@@arizonagroyper "Insert person here" has said some things that I disagree with, therefore I should disregard every other thing that person has said regardless of the veracity of their claims.
Have you read André Wang-Lin's articles about how China might end up thwarting this?
This is great, hard to find much good commentary on Karl Popper. Much appreciated!
Im Gen Z, and I think he is a comic book villain....from Hungaria.
Who was an enemy of Sir James Goldsmith
We are the comics....
Big "braned"?
Nordic Man: Yes
Bran is a good source of fiber
Luke my dude, I hope you come back to this podcast sometime in the future
1:10:27
Not real Ted
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14. Woe to you who set at nought the words of the righteous; for ye shall have no hope of life.
15. Woe to you who write down lying and godless words; for they write down their lies that men may hear them and act godlessly towards neighbour.
16. Therefore they shall have no peace but die a sudden death.
Book of Enoch, chapter XCVIII
Didn't saw this on my sub box, probably because you use a red flag term.
Would this have placed the British Empire as a closed society? And the American public of the same time period as a closed society? They seem to develop in parallel..
Good video otherwise, but Platonism is absurdly influential historically. Even the example given (the Middle Ages) is incorrect.
I admire your refusal to advocate politically. The way that you maneuver through these politically adjacent topics without ever stepping on that line is an art form that like so much else, you conduct beautifully.
Agreed
pairs well with keith wood's video on the new right
Let's go! Not related is back baby.
90 mins = perfect lenght
This is one of the best academic podcasts, I can't believe it only has 7k views...
The "great reset" has come!
That abstract society quote had me absolutely seething
Seething? Wow, dude calm down. We have an abstract society so we don’t have to deal with arseholes like you who can’t control their emotions.
THATS HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!!!!
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His talk about striving like that would be very helpful if an elite group or elite groups were scouting for these striving individuals in a situation where they are trying to drive the overall population iq down and keeping their own sub-population iq stable, getting as many on board with them to help their genepools while the rest of society goes down a bad route. And oh boy that personal responsibility talk would also be very helpful to keep the declining population in agreement with their circumstances wouldn't it? I can see why some people would be interested in enacting these ideas.
That democracy from Popper talk sounds dumb in hindsight, though to be fair, he didn't have access to data showing how in democracies non-elites are less likely to get what they want when in conflict with the elites in comparison to literal dictatorships.