Home charging extension cables must never be left coiled while charging. The inductance of the coiled wire can cause resonance with the onboard charger input capacitors causing meltdown of the cable and potential destruction of the onboard car charger. Use the shortest extension lead of the heaviest gauge wire and ensure it is not coiled. I use a high quality 15A industrial extension cable with 2.5 square mm conductors just for my Hyundai 10A portable EVSE. I got a 15A/10A adaptor from Bunnings to plug in to my household 10A garage socket. It protects the household wiring with a 10A slow trip as well as being an RCD. Thanks for your informative video.
Hello, I bought the 2022 Kona EV and travelled 50K kms so far. No regrets. I charge from home at cost of $20 Canadian a month. That is the best part because of the Carbon Tax increasing yearly.
Thanks for spending time to create the video. I really found it useful, I should not have any problems now when I pick up my Kona next month. I was surprised to see free electric fast chargers in Australia. We have to pay for fast charge here in the UK (AFAIK)
The free chargers are few and far between, some councils (progressive) have them as well as shopping centres, the rest cost up to 50c / kWh (25p) although we dont have (currently) waiting fees, if you have finished charging and still plugged in.
That little box which comes with the car for charging which you called a charger in your video is not a charger, but an EVSE. The charger is installed in the car and any AC charging is going thought that internal charger with those devices outside just assuring safe connection, negotiating charging current, etc. You only use an external charger when you do DC charging in which case the DC current goes straight to the battery and then the external charger is responsible for controlling the process.
Informative video thanks for those “not in the know”. Having owned an i30 for a number of years, I expected a lot of the electric Kona when it arrived in 2019, but was sooo disappointed in sooo many ways when we took one for an extended test drive. Torque steer, traction control and tyre grip/handling, leg room in the rear, luggage room and more were all hopeless, so we waited for the Model 3 to arrive- best thing we could have ever done. It was perfect, has been brilliant since day one and keeps getting better with regular software updates. We’ve never looked back. P.S. We have never ACTUALLY needed to charge at more than a 10 amp socket in the garage to keep the battery where it’s needed- though we do have a wall charger and can therefore charge much faster-7kW for us on single phase, would be 11kW if we had 3 phase power. The advantage is then that we charge after midnight on cheap power.
I had the opposite problem, being an oldie with bad knee and back, I found it almost impossible to get in and out of a Tesla model 3, it was far too low to the ground. we bought the Kona EV as that was a much more comfortable ride.
I have a Niro EV ext which is basically a Kona. I charge it from 11pm to 6am if possible because I get lower rates and a rebate of 5c per Kw. The car has a setting for preferential charging times, if you plug it in it will determine how long to charge and use only the preferential time if possible. I I also charge at work, where it’s free, so half the time it cost me nothing to commute 70 miles a day. I put a separate 60 amp circuit in my garage for the EVSE, and my welder. So far it’s been a seamless transition.
The number of negative comments here baffle me The points spoken against the use of EVs always seems to be the most mundane point's. Like one comment here spoke about how gas stations have air pumps to check tire pressure , unlike EV charging stations. Or another comment doubted your range figures because they believe people drive 600km nonstop on a daily basis.
Robert, at the Uni I work at, the only chargers are in restricted parking areas... Students seem to have found buildings with outdoor electric and connect at night ;)
Interesting you must have older homes in the uk and Australia in the us we dont not have these problems with home charging because our homes are mostly new construction with 200 Amp breaker boxes
Thanks heaps for the video. We don’t have a charge station at our Southbank (Melb) apartment yet. What are your recommendations on fast chargers around Southbank and what are suitable times you see stations free ? Also, would you recommend me to buy a seperate type 2 charger or any other ? TIa
I would use plugshare.com and ABRP to find chargers. A seperate Type 2 cable is not a bad idea, just keep it in the car, and it can always be sold or swapped to the next car.
With the 30% energy consumption, do you know if that was for vehicles with heat pumps vs resistance heaters? From my understanding there is a big split between the two in consumption, and some manufacturers have fallen back to resistance heaters due to parts shortages.
Hey quick question.. what counts as " fast charging" In India . Most of our dc charging stations are 25kw. Which I argue, isn't actually that fast..I say 50kw should be considered minimum standard for fast charging
Hi Robert many thanks for this most informative video. I want to purchase a type 2 to type 2 cable, I assume the chargefox stations are 3 phase? therefore I would need a type 2 - 3 phase cable?
Thanks Robert. I have a gripe:- I think the manufacturers are rorting the consumer with the cost of EV's. Batteries cost around $200 per kWh retail - for the Kona 64kWh, that amounts to $12,800. The ICE equivalent car to the Kona costs say $30k then replace the cost of the the petrol engine & transmission with the Electric motor and electronics on a $ for $ basis (the electric drive train should be much cheaper, but lets leave that argument for another day), then tops, this car should be retailing for $43k not $67k! Not only are our Governments screwing us with EV's the manufacturers are too. Not going to happen if this behaviour continues, which is what our present government wants. Time we flipped this coal driven fossil of a government.
I dont' know the battery costs so can't comment...but I do know production runs are smaller so there's less economy of scale. I don't think carmakers are rorting people; it'd be in their interests to get prices to a point where there's mass-market adoption.
@@L2SFBC Actually that is a fair point. There is a tempering of the argument of economy of scale though if one considers that a large part of the manufacturing process already exists - in my mind this is just a new model. The electric motor too has been around longer than ICE and yes, modern electric motors are being developed along with manufacturing methods, but then again so are ICE. Not convinced that we aren't being rorted. I think they are riding the wave of EV evangelism - the early adopters driven by a desire to do something for our rapidly heating planet where our governments are not and milking that puppy for all its worth. This is a time we should all be acting within our individual abilities and should not be profiting from the cataclysmic future that we have created.
Sorry to harp on Robert. It just occurred to me that the 39kWh is less than $6k more than the 64kWh unit and aside from the extra capacity, it gets an extra motor. And yes, there is pricing adjustments to fit into the market, but, but...even so that is $6k for and 25kWh of battery which is $240 a kWh with a bonus electric motor thrown in.
Googling indicates - 'a better route planner'. I had planned on using the Kona's own display screen. Are you suggesting that I connect up my SP (smart phone) to replace it? Naaaaaaa, surely there's a better way?
This is a complete mess. - Your plugging it in when you get home Robert? And it takes 10-12 hrs? - Isnt that peak power time? - And it sucks big power? Double an air conditioner presumably for at least 2-3 hrs? And you wont time it, because plugging it in looks like pitching a tent. A total pain in the backside. Have you ever tried to roll up an extension cord without it tangling? Imagine if everyone did this at a Motel. 🤯 Theres nothing wrong with electric cars but we need way way more infrastructure and grid investment to make it a reality. This is hilarious because OTHER grid users who dont want an electric car will be paying for it - until private operators install fast chargers and they’ll charge you. Its now more expensive to drive a Telsa in California than owning a petrol car on energy costs.
It takes as long to charge as needed...you can choose to go to 100%, or something lower. You can also schedule charging so it only charges in off-peak times. Yes it sucks power, but it costs less to 'fill' than an ICE car (see other video for comparison). Yes the infrastructure needs upgrading, but that's mostly at the end point where people plug in, don't really need to generate much more total electrical power. Most users charge at home so no need to worry about DC charge rates. I didn't know that about the Tesla, got any links I can read?
@@L2SFBC So many people with range anxiety just don’t understand. In two years of Tesla ownership we have used, but have NOT needed to use public charging at all. (Obviously that’s been affected by closed borders and Covid, but the fact remains.) Driving anywhere such as Brisbane to Sydney to Melbourne to Adelaide would not effectively alter trip times at all. You drive a few hours, plug in to a Supercharger, go to the ‘loo, stretch your legs and/or have a coffee, and you’re ready to drive to the next Supercharger. Too easy! For us, our most common journey is Brisbane to a son’s place at Hervey Bay- well within battery range, so we drive to Hervey Bay, and plug in there. (There is also a Supercharger in Gympie, but we haven’t actually NEEDED to use it. If we did a round trip from Brisbane to Hervey Bay and back on the same day, we’d need only about 10 mins plugged in to the Supercharger on the way home, - just enough time for a ‘loo stop - with charging rates of up around 1000 kmh, ie: gaining over 15km of range every minute.) For us, about 99% of our charging has been done at home, after midnight on off peak power. (We never charge at peak time.)
There are still some huge problems in my view. All range quotes for Melbourne ignore the fact that heaters/AC and lights will be in use a lot of the time, meaning home charging will never keep up except in very moderate use. None of the EV charging stations are covered, so charging on a rainy winter day will ne a huge pain in the ass - be prepared for the woman of the house who is forced to use an EV to "swing the handbag" at the early adopter partner. 80% will not have a clue which cable to use and they may be flung far and wide in frustration.... None of the EV stations have air hoses so tyres will never be checked by most users leading to probable issues. A 6 year old EV with 70% battery capacity remaining due to age, being used in winter with heater and lights on, being charged at home would be unacceptable as the range would be crap. Having to use a damn app before you can go anywhere without range anxiety and making sure you have the correct cable with you is, well, just plain awful if you aren't a geek.
Well, no...the heating/lights takes 30% - call it 40% off the range. That's dropping from say 480 to 300km. That's still plenty for around-town work...most people would struggle to be doing more than 200km around town. Interstate long distance is, definitely, another matter. When you charge your EV, you sit inside it..weatherproof. Don't get the 'swing the handbag' comment. I really don't get the lack of air hoses...why's that an EV problem? Modern EVs won't lose 30% of the battery due to age as the tech to manage life is now much better. You don't need to use an app, just plug in at home and depart, easy. Basically for urban use the EV is easier than ICE.
@@L2SFBC When you go to a petrol station, there are air hoses to pump up your tyres. When you go to an EV station there are none, meaning many EVs will never check tyres - bad. If I supplied my wife with a car where she had to go under the bonnet in the pouring rain to select one of 3 or 4 possible cables to plug into a hard to find EV station and put said plug into the car and source, and sit in the car for 30 minutes soaking wet, she would be ecstatically pleased - not. Then she would throw the handbag, as it were, and tell me where I should shove the stupid vehicle :) And you can get all this fun for a price premium of a mere 40% above the cost of an ICE vehicle. Not to mention the inevitable Govt charges that will come when fuel excise disappears from the coffers. EVs are still in the realm of enthusiast's vehicles with limited mileage needs.
That air hose idea is great, really good point!!!! As for charging - as per the video, 90% of charging would be done at home. And you'd know which plug it is, only takes a moment. Yes, mileage excise will happen. Covered that in the costs video.
@@L2SFBC The later Model 3’s (and soon to arrive Model Y’s) have extremely efficient heat pumps for HVAC. In any temps you’re likely to see in Oz, range reduction in the cold is not much at all.
Home charging extension cables must never be left coiled while charging.
The inductance of the coiled wire can cause resonance with the onboard charger input capacitors causing meltdown of the cable and potential destruction of the onboard car charger.
Use the shortest extension lead of the heaviest gauge wire and ensure it is not coiled.
I use a high quality 15A industrial extension cable with 2.5 square mm conductors just for my Hyundai 10A portable EVSE. I got a 15A/10A adaptor from Bunnings to plug in to my household 10A garage socket. It protects the household wiring with a 10A slow trip as well as being an RCD.
Thanks for your informative video.
Thanks, great info!
Hello, I bought the 2022 Kona EV and travelled 50K kms so far. No regrets. I charge from home at cost of $20 Canadian a month. That is the best part because of the Carbon Tax increasing yearly.
Great to hear!
Thanks for spending time to create the video. I really found it useful, I should not have any problems now when I pick up my Kona next month. I was surprised to see free electric fast chargers in Australia. We have to pay for fast charge here in the UK (AFAIK)
Glad it helped! please share :-)
The free chargers are few and far between, some councils (progressive) have them as well as shopping centres, the rest cost up to 50c / kWh (25p) although we dont have (currently) waiting fees, if you have finished charging and still plugged in.
That little box which comes with the car for charging which you called a charger in your video is not a charger, but an EVSE. The charger is installed in the car and any AC charging is going thought that internal charger with those devices outside just assuring safe connection, negotiating charging current, etc. You only use an external charger when you do DC charging in which case the DC current goes straight to the battery and then the external charger is responsible for controlling the process.
That is true, thanks for the correction.
Informative video thanks for those “not in the know”. Having owned an i30 for a number of years, I expected a lot of the electric Kona when it arrived in 2019, but was sooo disappointed in sooo many ways when we took one for an extended test drive. Torque steer, traction control and tyre grip/handling, leg room in the rear, luggage room and more were all hopeless, so we waited for the Model 3 to arrive- best thing we could have ever done. It was perfect, has been brilliant since day one and keeps getting better with regular software updates. We’ve never looked back.
P.S. We have never ACTUALLY needed to charge at more than a 10 amp socket in the garage to keep the battery where it’s needed- though we do have a wall charger and can therefore charge much faster-7kW for us on single phase, would be 11kW if we had 3 phase power. The advantage is then that we charge after midnight on cheap power.
I had the opposite problem, being an oldie with bad knee and back, I found it almost impossible to get in and out of a Tesla model 3, it was far too low to the ground. we bought the Kona EV as that was a much more comfortable ride.
How on earth can you compare the Kona to a Tesla model 3? Their pricing is hardly comparable?
@@dekenba6482 Actually their pricing is VERY comparable, much closer than you’d think.
I have a Niro EV ext which is basically a Kona. I charge it from 11pm to 6am if possible because I get lower rates and a rebate of 5c per Kw. The car has a setting for preferential charging times, if you plug it in it will determine how long to charge and use only the preferential time if possible. I I also charge at work, where it’s free, so half the time it cost me nothing to commute 70 miles a day. I put a separate 60 amp circuit in my garage for the EVSE, and my welder. So far it’s been a seamless transition.
Thanks great info 👍
The number of negative comments here baffle me
The points spoken against the use of EVs always seems to be the most mundane point's.
Like one comment here spoke about how gas stations have air pumps to check tire pressure , unlike EV charging stations.
Or another comment doubted your range figures because they believe people drive 600km nonstop on a daily basis.
Yes well people will hate...
Only a 6k difference between standard and long range is crazy to me!
Standing in the dark looking for the right app, so glad we don't have to do that in the UK anymore (all rapids have to have contactless by law)
Robert, at the Uni I work at, the only chargers are in restricted parking areas... Students seem to have found buildings with outdoor electric and connect at night ;)
Clever!!! But these tricks will not last forever...or will they?
I'll give ABRP a go on my smart phone and see how we go.
Interesting you must have older homes in the uk and Australia in the us we dont not have these problems with home charging because our homes are mostly new construction with 200 Amp breaker boxes
Excellent video, very informative.
Thanks Maureen, please share :-)
Thanks heaps for the video.
We don’t have a charge station at our Southbank (Melb) apartment yet.
What are your recommendations on fast chargers around Southbank and what are suitable times you see stations free ?
Also, would you recommend me to buy a seperate type 2 charger or any other ?
TIa
I would use plugshare.com and ABRP to find chargers. A seperate Type 2 cable is not a bad idea, just keep it in the car, and it can always be sold or swapped to the next car.
With the 30% energy consumption, do you know if that was for vehicles with heat pumps vs resistance heaters? From my understanding there is a big split between the two in consumption, and some manufacturers have fallen back to resistance heaters due to parts shortages.
Hey quick question.. what counts as " fast charging"
In India . Most of our dc charging stations are 25kw.
Which I argue, isn't actually that fast..I say 50kw should be considered minimum standard for fast charging
Good question I don't know! I guess 25 is fast compared to 7...
India now has many 50kw chargers through fortum and other brands including the Electricity supply firms at least in the south
Hi Robert many thanks for this most informative video. I want to purchase a type 2 to type 2 cable, I assume the chargefox stations are 3 phase? therefore I would need a type 2 - 3 phase cable?
Not sure about Chargfox, sorry
Damn this great information!
Thanks Robert. I have a gripe:- I think the manufacturers are rorting the consumer with the cost of EV's. Batteries cost around $200 per kWh retail - for the Kona 64kWh, that amounts to $12,800. The ICE equivalent car to the Kona costs say $30k then replace the cost of the the petrol engine & transmission with the Electric motor and electronics on a $ for $ basis (the electric drive train should be much cheaper, but lets leave that argument for another day), then tops, this car should be retailing for $43k not $67k! Not only are our Governments screwing us with EV's the manufacturers are too. Not going to happen if this behaviour continues, which is what our present government wants. Time we flipped this coal driven fossil of a government.
I dont' know the battery costs so can't comment...but I do know production runs are smaller so there's less economy of scale. I don't think carmakers are rorting people; it'd be in their interests to get prices to a point where there's mass-market adoption.
@@L2SFBC Actually that is a fair point. There is a tempering of the argument of economy of scale though if one considers that a large part of the manufacturing process already exists - in my mind this is just a new model. The electric motor too has been around longer than ICE and yes, modern electric motors are being developed along with manufacturing methods, but then again so are ICE. Not convinced that we aren't being rorted. I think they are riding the wave of EV evangelism - the early adopters driven by a desire to do something for our rapidly heating planet where our governments are not and milking that puppy for all its worth. This is a time we should all be acting within our individual abilities and should not be profiting from the cataclysmic future that we have created.
Sorry to harp on Robert. It just occurred to me that the 39kWh is less than $6k more than the 64kWh unit and aside from the extra capacity, it gets an extra motor. And yes, there is pricing adjustments to fit into the market, but, but...even so that is $6k for and 25kWh of battery which is $240 a kWh with a bonus electric motor thrown in.
There's one motor in each vehicle. suspect the same motor just software-limited to 100kW. Would be interesting to see actual costs fo the battery etc.
Im just disappointing that the Kona doesnt have a Heat Pump, I would have been happy to stump up another $1k.
Robert, other video was pulled back?
Yes found an audio error, fixed it. SO annoying, many many hours of work and still slips by. Unlike a blog post you can't just fix a typo.
@@L2SFBC Understood... The wife teaches @ Uni, has to edit the online content (whilst cursing under her breath in Hungarian) ;)
It's back now under a new URL ruclips.net/video/Av2tGOaqRlU/видео.html
How can I display valid chargers along a route. Long journeys would be less stressful if this info was constantly updated. TIA
ABRP
@@L2SFBC Sorry - I've no idea what this means. [Is being 76 an excuse?]
Googling indicates - 'a better route planner'. I had planned on using the Kona's own display screen. Are you suggesting that I connect up my SP (smart phone) to replace it? Naaaaaaa, surely there's a better way?
There isn't for the Kona. ABRP is the best app I've found for planning.
Cost as much as Tesla no way....
This is a complete mess.
- Your plugging it in when you get home Robert? And it takes 10-12 hrs?
- Isnt that peak power time?
- And it sucks big power? Double an air conditioner presumably for at least 2-3 hrs?
And you wont time it, because plugging it in looks like pitching a tent. A total pain in the backside. Have you ever tried to roll up an extension cord without it tangling?
Imagine if everyone did this at a Motel. 🤯
Theres nothing wrong with electric cars but we need way way more infrastructure and grid investment to make it a reality.
This is hilarious because OTHER grid users who dont want an electric car will be paying for it - until private operators install fast chargers and they’ll charge you.
Its now more expensive to drive a Telsa in California than owning a petrol car on energy costs.
It takes as long to charge as needed...you can choose to go to 100%, or something lower. You can also schedule charging so it only charges in off-peak times. Yes it sucks power, but it costs less to 'fill' than an ICE car (see other video for comparison). Yes the infrastructure needs upgrading, but that's mostly at the end point where people plug in, don't really need to generate much more total electrical power. Most users charge at home so no need to worry about DC charge rates. I didn't know that about the Tesla, got any links I can read?
@@L2SFBC So many people with range anxiety just don’t understand. In two years of Tesla ownership we have used, but have NOT needed to use public charging at all. (Obviously that’s been affected by closed borders and Covid, but the fact remains.)
Driving anywhere such as Brisbane to Sydney to Melbourne to Adelaide would not effectively alter trip times at all. You drive a few hours, plug in to a Supercharger, go to the ‘loo, stretch your legs and/or have a coffee, and you’re ready to drive to the next Supercharger. Too easy!
For us, our most common journey is Brisbane to a son’s place at Hervey Bay- well within battery range, so we drive to Hervey Bay, and plug in there. (There is also a Supercharger in Gympie, but we haven’t actually NEEDED to use it. If we did a round trip from Brisbane to Hervey Bay and back on the same day, we’d need only about 10 mins plugged in to the Supercharger on the way home, - just enough time for a ‘loo stop - with charging rates of up around 1000 kmh, ie: gaining over 15km of range every minute.)
For us, about 99% of our charging has been done at home, after midnight on off peak power. (We never charge at peak time.)
Yes this is what I see. But you also have access to superchargers as Tesla owners. That helps a great deal?
There are still some huge problems in my view. All range quotes for Melbourne ignore the fact that heaters/AC and lights will be in use a lot of the time, meaning home charging will never keep up except in very moderate use. None of the EV charging stations are covered, so charging on a rainy winter day will ne a huge pain in the ass - be prepared for the woman of the house who is forced to use an EV to "swing the handbag" at the early adopter partner. 80% will not have a clue which cable to use and they may be flung far and wide in frustration.... None of the EV stations have air hoses so tyres will never be checked by most users leading to probable issues. A 6 year old EV with 70% battery capacity remaining due to age, being used in winter with heater and lights on, being charged at home would be unacceptable as the range would be crap. Having to use a damn app before you can go anywhere without range anxiety and making sure you have the correct cable with you is, well, just plain awful if you aren't a geek.
Well, no...the heating/lights takes 30% - call it 40% off the range. That's dropping from say 480 to 300km. That's still plenty for around-town work...most people would struggle to be doing more than 200km around town. Interstate long distance is, definitely, another matter. When you charge your EV, you sit inside it..weatherproof. Don't get the 'swing the handbag' comment. I really don't get the lack of air hoses...why's that an EV problem? Modern EVs won't lose 30% of the battery due to age as the tech to manage life is now much better. You don't need to use an app, just plug in at home and depart, easy. Basically for urban use the EV is easier than ICE.
@@L2SFBC When you go to a petrol station, there are air hoses to pump up your tyres. When you go to an EV station there are none, meaning many EVs will never check tyres - bad. If I supplied my wife with a car where she had to go under the bonnet in the pouring rain to select one of 3 or 4 possible cables to plug into a hard to find EV station and put said plug into the car and source, and sit in the car for 30 minutes soaking wet, she would be ecstatically pleased - not. Then she would throw the handbag, as it were, and tell me where I should shove the stupid vehicle :) And you can get all this fun for a price premium of a mere 40% above the cost of an ICE vehicle. Not to mention the inevitable Govt charges that will come when fuel excise disappears from the coffers. EVs are still in the realm of enthusiast's vehicles with limited mileage needs.
That air hose idea is great, really good point!!!! As for charging - as per the video, 90% of charging would be done at home. And you'd know which plug it is, only takes a moment. Yes, mileage excise will happen. Covered that in the costs video.
@@L2SFBC The later Model 3’s (and soon to arrive Model Y’s) have extremely efficient heat pumps for HVAC. In any temps you’re likely to see in Oz, range reduction in the cold is not much at all.
I will have to test one 👍
10 hrs charging?? Hahahahaha. Omg.
Why?