Fun fact about the MICA , a rafale managed to do an of shoulder shot with a mica , so basically killed a plane behind it , which was locked by an other rafale
But more agile, responsive and with way way longer ranhe And no one is talking about it, just aim 120 worse than r77 left aim 120 worse than r77 right, im honestly sick of all the yapping
Having worked on the F-15 myself, it SHOULD be able to mount AIM-120's on every part, with 4 on the belly and 4 on the wings for a total of 8 potential 120's. Usually, the load is a 4x4 (4 AIM-9's and 4 AIM-120's), but can very well take all AIM-120's.
@@suspectorange Doesn’t matter which (worked on C’s, D’s and E models). The LAU-128 (that long thing that attaches the AIM-9’s to the pylon), was designed for the AIM-7, but also fits the AIM-120 like a glove.
I feel like Fox 3 missiles before being announced were expected to be OP but now seeing what they are like they are pretty tame if you know what your doing when defending against it
They ain’t that special. They still have multipathing lol. Just nice to NOT have to hold a lock. Can dump a missile then disengage or able to engage onto another aircraft
@@hdaum1410 Its fucking 12.3 and STILL doesnt have ir missiles with any form of irccm.... Even the mig21 bison at .3 br lower has access to r73 and r27t with irccm LMAO
@@nuckerball1259 bruh what are you smoking? It has PL-8s, which are licence built python 3s. If you need irccm to make those missiles work, it's a skill issue.
@@cslpchr Tell me you dont understand missiles without telling me you dont understand missiles. pl8/python 3 is a vastly inferior missile to the much newer r73 and aim9m, which is all this things gonna face at 12.3. It doesnt matter if your missile can pull 100g if its going to fall for the first flare it sees....
About the MICA, it doesn't have less range because it is lighter but because Gaijin nerf it because it will be a little OP if put in game with real stats... Normally it has 80 km max range, that a little more than early AMRAAM (60/70 km max range), and a little less than AIM120 C, or AAM4 wich are give for approximately 100 km max range. So the range of MICA may be increase when othet nations will receive better missiles
This isn't correct, all ARHs bar the AIM-54 and R-77-1 currently have a max range of 80kms (even the AIM-120C-5). The statcard figures are literally useless stats.
and "max ranges" only count if your target is is just flying in a straight line. the kill range for a reasonable chance of killing a defending target is much lower. also depends on the conditions where you launch your missiles.
Mica was designed to have a common frame for the IR and ARH missiles respectively. Thus it represents a middle ground. It does not have the range and kinematics of a purpose built BVRAAM, and does not have the agility of a SRM like the Iris-T or AIM-9X. The French are more reliant on the MBDA meteor as a competitive Bvraam.
@@EEEEEEE354 that false, in 90's, french didn't coun't on Meteor ... Moreover, the capacity to go far from a missile depend of the mass, the drag, the thrust and the combustion Time. The MICA are good in all that. The only thing why MICA turn more than other missile in cloth range is trust vectoring, but if you launch it in a strait line, it don't need to use thrust vectoring and thus, avec a range near an R77 and better than first AIM 120...
@@aflyingcowboy31 that isn't correct too, just read a little more infos on internet lol. AAM 4 and PL12 are more modern and have more range ... AIM 120 A and B have less. It's nice to explain to other how that work, but please try to have some good infos before doing it. I m not talking about the stats cards of WT but of the real behevior of the missile, and what I claim about the MICA is true ...
The DERBY and R-DARTER were developed together in fact the derby was just a slightly modified r-darter, the DERBY ER is where things change (the er has similar turning performance to that of the python 5 and aim9x
@MatAWG the germans dont operate a more modern AIM-9 the L(i) was only a test run they switched over to the IRIS-T but i dont know if its available for the ICE, another very important aspect is the balance factor IRIS-T was measured around 78G's thats a bit too much for the time being but maybe in the future.
@@hywang1949 so? Gaijin puts experimental stuff in the game all the time. The maus for one never saw action and was just a prototype but there it is at 8.0. Or how about the obj 279. Never saw action to my knowledge. If you're going to give Germany a "new plane" with shit handling, then I see nothing wrong with implementing iris t for them. However, gaijin routinely gives Germany something new last, but it usually ends up being kind of op such as everyone got 12.7 first, but the mig29g is better than most except the su27. My prediction, typhoon in a few updates with the iris t because that's the armament of a typhoon. Anytime before jan1st
@@TeamValkyrie2023we are not getting a eurofighter before jan 1st im sorry, we havent even gotten a legacy hornet yet, let alone a eurofighter, super hornet, strike eagle, and su35. we’re at least a year away from allat
Aim-120A is going to be the standard of Fox-3s. It will just barely be competitive enough. And the aircraft they are on aren’t even the best version of the aircraft in the game. The F-15J Kai is just a straight out upgrade and has AAM-4s and AAM-3s, essentially 120Cs and better aim-9Ms…
What I’m saying lol. Nothing super special. You just get to dump your missile and disengage OR get to engage onto the next target. But with multipathing and people STILL flying low in their “safe space” AMRAAMS are pretty niche
it's definitely special in BVR and some chaotic situations where 3 targets accidentally got a bit of altitude, with fox-1 you can only get one while locking all the way, fox-3 gives you more room and can get more targets at the same time, I'm not saying it's OP but it's not down to a level of uselessness, still special in half the cases you get in the 16vs16 chaotic gameplay, multipathing is a bit too strong but with the MICA in the game I doubt if we need to nerf it, cuz then Mirage 2000-5Fs would just be a 25KM death zone moving at mach 1.5...
where did you get this info? r77 didn't enter service until 1994 because of soviet union problems(kinda fell apart) and it really only started getting usable when the r77-1 (aa12b) entered service in 2015?
@@zehi04 It did enter service in 1994, yes, but the state tests of the r-77 (RVV-SD) were completed (meaning that the missile was fully ready to enter service) in 1991. The reason why this didn't happen is, as you mentioned, the collapse of the USSR
Although officially adopted in 1994, realistically Russia never used the R-77. Not even with the Su-27SM. Since the russian government never actually placed a big order, the R-77 was mainly an export weapon (for China and India). Russia kept using the R-27ERs until a few time ago (indeed, the Su-27SMs stationed in Belbek, Crimea, which are not capable of firing the R-77-1, still uses the R-27ER as its main weapon until today). Russia only transitioned to the ARH era in the early 2010s when it adopted the R-77-1 (this time with multiple big orders) and their new plataforms, such as the Su-27SM3, Su-35S and Su-30SM. The R-27EA (ARH variant of the R-27) was successfully tested in the late 80s aswell, but it’s claimed to never had entered service, so Russia had truly relying on obsolete missiles for decades (while massively exporting modern ones to other countries 🤡 just Russia in a nutshell…)
This isn't actually correct, the AIM-120A's date of 1991 is the date it was deployed for use by F-15s, whereas the R-77s date is not when it either entered service of was fully deployed.
@@-..----.--.-... "It did enter service in 1994, yes, but the state tests of the r-77 (RVV-SD) were completed (meaning that the missile was fully ready to enter service) in 1991" See this is disingenuous because if you are going to do this for the R-77 you have to do it for all of them, we use "entered service" because that is when it was actually being used i.e. everything was completed. For instance, the AIM-120A tests were not completed in 1991, 1991 is the year they were actually deployed into US service i.e. in September 1991 AMRAAMs started being used by F-15s and in 1992 were used in actual combat, 1991 is not the year the tests were completed. I don't think people actually realise how "old" the AIM-120A is, the AIM-120 completed its initial flight tests back in the early 80s.... Furthermore testing seems to have been fully completed in 1987 or 1988. Hence the R-77 was completed in 1994 not 1991, literally no one even used it until like 2002 (With India) because as noted by Illustrious the Russian weren't even really using the R-77 and were instead still using the R-27s, they only really started using the R-77-1 and that started back in like 2010 or something.
AIM-120Bs in DCS can take out a bandit flying almost 80 degrees below you at a range of about 10nm+altitude advantage. The turn capability is crazy. Not sure if it's that good IRL but DCS/WT it's night and day difference when it comes to AIM-120B turn performance.
Lotta crybabies in these comments. How about play the game. I’ve been using the AMRAAM and I’ve been smoking people. Especially people in other planes with the supposedly better missiles. These missiles are all good, and if you use them properly, they connect. Stop complaining endlessly and try to enjoy yourself. And maybe, just maybe, get good.
The MICE-EM range was actually modeled incorrectly sadly. It's supposed to have an 80km range/50mi range but I think for "balancing" purposes Gaijin nerfed it which is understandable but in real life there was no "balanced" sort of weaponry, just whoever can get the most powerful, lethal, weapon for the job
The 260 is esitmated to a be upwards of 130 to 150 miles. I say that because the PL-15 is 125NM and the reason the U.S is building the 260 is because of the PL-15
@@christopherchartier3017 tell that to ukraine, Russia scored confirmed kills from across the border with mig 31s against ukrainian flankers in the early war period
@@christopherchartier3017 Thats the crazy part to think considering its made to take down AWACS systems, almost similar to how the Phoenix was made to take out soviet bombers, except the r37m is just a much more modernized concept with a far more advanced seeker head, Its a hypersonic missile Im fairly certain it could hit a fighter, especially one of an older flanker with primitive/earlier warning systems🤷🏾♂️.
World's biggest air force and highest defense budget on its way to become the bottom dog in war thunder again lmao. Yes, adding 27SM which is 21 years old and adding F-15C which is 45 years old as it's main rival is wonderful. Wow.
@@SldOnEmWithDa45 Su27sm and grippen C entered service way later than the F15C, so it is just that if we put late 90s american jets alongside the others, USA will just become too OP
@@blayzz-xmp5861 what kind of logic is this? So after there's nothing else that could be added, you're saying that hypothetically an F-22A with AIM-260s has every right to destroy everything in it's path? If Su-27SM was created way after the F-15C, give me something that matches the age of that SM. Not a "new" F-15 which only things making it new being possibly a little higher thrust and AIM-120 capability. The fucking SM entered Russian service in two thousand fucking three. You're okay with a 24 year older aircraft being added to US tree?
Everybody's FOX 3 missiles : 80 km launch range. France : 50 km..... During a Taiwanese test on May 8 1998, a MICA EM destroyed a drone after traveling 67 km. MICA EM by Gaijin : 50 km range and 4.74 kg of explosives. MICA EM in reality : 80 km range and 12 kg of explosives. They really want to nerf it hard.
Ignore the stat card, the numbers are basically written at random in there. Also, the way the missiles are in the game right now, even a 40 km shot with any of them can only suceed in Matt's wet dreams. Any attempt to resist it and the missile will run out of energy.
Till they will add the Eurofighter, IrisT/For the F4F ICE) or a Proper Subtree to Germany in one of the furture Patches, the Airtree will suffer hard .... the Bundeswehr simple stopped upgrading from the end of the 80s and that Gap we start to feel right now.
I am just wondering why the f-15 can only 4 aim-120 instead of up to 8 irl. It’s pretty deceiving as it also only gets the a variant which is kind of inferior to most missiles that are being added.
Sometimes if they are close enough, they will still track and hit you. Was flying between mountains to dodge an aim120 and still got hit when I popped out.
They should have made a transition... F-16A ADF - AIM-120A, F-16C - AIM-120B and on other jets too, cause like this it's bs... You face 50G missles with F-16 at 12.0 and with other jets, which doesnt even have any medium range missles EDIT: F-16As at 12.0 doesnt even have AIM-9M
Another coin in the "Not coming back" jar. Cause the US always has to be shafted and get the short end of the stick. Though, frankly honest, the F-4F at 12.7? Good grief, somebody should be fired...
Looking at Rank VIII Chinese aviation tree, there is nothing for me right now, but I'm getting a sense that over the next 2 patches I'm either going to like Gaijin very much or hate Gaijin enough to uninstall War Thunder.
Maybe J-10 Winter update along with Raf, Typhoon, etc. But I feel they won’t come til maybe next year. But Gaijin is Gaijin so we shall see. They all likely will have a suppressed fm
@@frosty8183 I've always considered the current positioning of F-16A MLU to be a mistake. It was only ever justified by the now long-defunct novelty of having a late-model F-16 ingame, and Gaijin should have implemented F-16/79 for a Lima-Sidewinder- and Sparrow-only F-16 there.
What its interesting is its 11.7 at ground rb..it only has 2 freaking AGMs although I understand that aim120 can be nuts against other aircrafts but welp, decompression is still a thing gaijin.
@@explosivecommando9100 its pretty much that they shouldve made the ICE premium or something like what they did with the MiG-21Bison they are both modernized gen.3 jets, they decided against it because they already have no further planes to be added, and nothing which can counter the F-15C and others in the first place, and its too early for the typhoon.
Easily DOA. Should’ve been added in the Winter update and just had the F-4F ICE and the J-8F get AMRAAMS as an early test bed… but nope. Both jets be DOA when they got added and the J-8F STILL is.
Another update, nothing for Germany lmao. The ICE is going to be useless, it needs to be lower than 12.7 with being such a boat of an aircraft (even if it’s the lightest f4f). Germany hasn’t gotten anything in 2 whole major updates. While Russia is getting the new Sukoyi (an early 2000 version keep in mind). If you’re going to do that add the Eurofighter. MiG-29g is also going to get stomped. Fighting f14s,f16s,Grippens and not getting fox3s. This game is just so incredibly bad I’m not playing this next update
I was kind of ok with the phantom as a German player. Until I found out that A) Aim9L's on 12,7 ?! And more important, B) UK gets a TORNADO with fox3 and Germany doesn't ?! That's some snail level bullshit.
@@nuklear7074 sadly it never did operate it. On the other Hand, having only a Phantom at 12.7 until we get the Eurofighter is pretty bad. This plane has no business being up there, its just gonna get shredded
@@DJRaffa1000 I think it would be alright if it gets the L/I and goes down to 12.0 or even 11.7. Sure ARH are way better then SARH but with a semi decent player beeing able to avoid both types with no effort why should the ICE not be a lower BR.
@@nuklear7074 if it goes down to 12.0 or 11.7 the Phantom WI be completely fine. But currently at 12.7 it is rediculous what it has to face in great numbers. Also i'm a little rusty with my aim9s, what did the L/I do again that makes it better ? Some dort of flare resistance or what does it offer over the normal L.
@@DJRaffa1000 The 9L/I is a 9L with a new seeker head made by a german company. Its basically a 9L with IRCCM at least on par with the 9M if not a bit better.
@ThanhNguyen-xf9dl Its not the r77, its either the darby either the darter, one of them lofts super high and when it reaches the enemy plane it hits them from above. If the enemy plane doesn't do anything about it, the missile is almost out of energy at that point. 77 is a good missile, better than the aim 120 bcz higher G pulls but not gamebreaking by any means. We still have no idea how chaff hungry they are compared to eachother
Matt I know you love just throwing content out so fast when something new is out to get as much traffic to you but please do some research for the things you are talking about. Hearing you say I dont know anything about this makes me want to close down the video.
Fun fact about the MICA , a rafale managed to do an of shoulder shot with a mica , so basically killed a plane behind it , which was locked by an other rafale
I want datalink Gaijin
MICA should pull even more than the R-73
@@Epic_candlebold assumption that the people in my lobby that are colored blue will help me get a kill instead of sacrificing it all for 600RP lol
Mica is able to do that with datalink and without locking up the target so launching the mica cold and it will automatically connect to target
@@wardogleader3200in fact, mica is pulling more G than the r73 in the game!
The MICA also has thrust vectoring, just like the R73
Which makes it the best dogfighting missile. Crazy
But more agile, responsive and with way way longer ranhe
And no one is talking about it, just aim 120 worse than r77 left aim 120 worse than r77 right, im honestly sick of all the yapping
@@guvyygvuhh298Depends which 120 you're talking about.
@WilliamStewart1 Doesn't matter which version bcz the A and B should be completely identical performance wise
Having worked on the F-15 myself, it SHOULD be able to mount AIM-120's on every part, with 4 on the belly and 4 on the wings for a total of 8 potential 120's. Usually, the load is a 4x4 (4 AIM-9's and 4 AIM-120's), but can very well take all AIM-120's.
On the 15C MSIP II? Or on the strike eagle?
@@suspectorange
Doesn’t matter which (worked on C’s, D’s and E models). The LAU-128 (that long thing that attaches the AIM-9’s to the pylon), was designed for the AIM-7, but also fits the AIM-120 like a glove.
I feel like Fox 3 missiles before being announced were expected to be OP but now seeing what they are like they are pretty tame if you know what your doing when defending against it
Exactly what I expected, people were expecting too much from these early stage ARHs
America still got the short end of the stick w the worst fox 3 out of all of them
@@minew0lf true but at least it's on a decent plane rather than Germany with the f4f and the same missiles.
They ain’t that special. They still have multipathing lol. Just nice to NOT have to hold a lock. Can dump a missile then disengage or able to engage onto another aircraft
The MICAs are absolutely cracked, Matt is just so biased towards Russian stuff he can't tell. Lol
The fact that the J-8 is at 11.7 with fox 3s while the F-4F ICE is at 12.7 is crazy. The F-4 should be 12.0 or 12.3 at the highest.
J-8F is 12.3
@@hdaum1410 Its fucking 12.3 and STILL doesnt have ir missiles with any form of irccm.... Even the mig21 bison at .3 br lower has access to r73 and r27t with irccm LMAO
The J8 also only has 2 ARH missiles where as the F4F has 4
@@nuckerball1259 bruh what are you smoking? It has PL-8s, which are licence built python 3s. If you need irccm to make those missiles work, it's a skill issue.
@@cslpchr Tell me you dont understand missiles without telling me you dont understand missiles. pl8/python 3 is a vastly inferior missile to the much newer r73 and aim9m, which is all this things gonna face at 12.3. It doesnt matter if your missile can pull 100g if its going to fall for the first flare it sees....
20:00 the Darter and the Derby are the same missile, Darter is an exported variant of this missile, just like the RB.99 is from the AIM-120.
Invert it and your good,darter IS an exported version of the derby
@@tankm200 thats what he said
About the MICA, it doesn't have less range because it is lighter but because Gaijin nerf it because it will be a little OP if put in game with real stats... Normally it has 80 km max range, that a little more than early AMRAAM (60/70 km max range), and a little less than AIM120 C, or AAM4 wich are give for approximately 100 km max range. So the range of MICA may be increase when othet nations will receive better missiles
This isn't correct, all ARHs bar the AIM-54 and R-77-1 currently have a max range of 80kms (even the AIM-120C-5). The statcard figures are literally useless stats.
and "max ranges" only count if your target is is just flying in a straight line. the kill range for a reasonable chance of killing a defending target is much lower. also depends on the conditions where you launch your missiles.
Mica was designed to have a common frame for the IR and ARH missiles respectively. Thus it represents a middle ground. It does not have the range and kinematics of a purpose built BVRAAM, and does not have the agility of a SRM like the Iris-T or AIM-9X. The French are more reliant on the MBDA meteor as a competitive Bvraam.
@@EEEEEEE354 that false, in 90's, french didn't coun't on Meteor ... Moreover, the capacity to go far from a missile depend of the mass, the drag, the thrust and the combustion Time. The MICA are good in all that. The only thing why MICA turn more than other missile in cloth range is trust vectoring, but if you launch it in a strait line, it don't need to use thrust vectoring and thus, avec a range near an R77 and better than first AIM 120...
@@aflyingcowboy31 that isn't correct too, just read a little more infos on internet lol. AAM 4 and PL12 are more modern and have more range ... AIM 120 A and B have less. It's nice to explain to other how that work, but please try to have some good infos before doing it. I m not talking about the stats cards of WT but of the real behevior of the missile, and what I claim about the MICA is true ...
F.3 my beloved, finally gets into her age bracket
lets goooooooooo
Wow... PL-12 is develop from R-77 with performances like Aim-120B-C but somehow look like Gaijin don't really like that fact lol
it's chinese, until 2020's everything made in China is crap
The DERBY and R-DARTER were developed together in fact the derby was just a slightly modified r-darter, the DERBY ER is where things change (the er has similar turning performance to that of the python 5 and aim9x
Of course the 37d doesnt get the rb99. All they care about is briging in new planes to sell more ge.
Why would the 37D get it, unless you want it at a BR where it simply couldn’t compete
@MatAWG the germans dont operate a more modern AIM-9 the L(i) was only a test run they switched over to the IRIS-T but i dont know if its available for the ICE, another very important aspect is the balance factor IRIS-T was measured around 78G's thats a bit too much for the time being but maybe in the future.
IRIS-T on F-4F ICE is only been tested by WTD61 in this missile's early development.
honestly regarding the lack of hmd or a capable airframe, i feel like the iris t might actually be fine on it
@@hywang1949 so? Gaijin puts experimental stuff in the game all the time. The maus for one never saw action and was just a prototype but there it is at 8.0. Or how about the obj 279. Never saw action to my knowledge. If you're going to give Germany a "new plane" with shit handling, then I see nothing wrong with implementing iris t for them. However, gaijin routinely gives Germany something new last, but it usually ends up being kind of op such as everyone got 12.7 first, but the mig29g is better than most except the su27. My prediction, typhoon in a few updates with the iris t because that's the armament of a typhoon. Anytime before jan1st
Until then, spading the 29g is gonna suuuuuuuck.
@@TeamValkyrie2023we are not getting a eurofighter before jan 1st im sorry, we havent even gotten a legacy hornet yet, let alone a eurofighter, super hornet, strike eagle, and su35. we’re at least a year away from allat
I wanna point out the f-16a from benelux.... Its an F-16A with aim9m missles at 12.0.... that thing must go up preferably to 12.7
It’s 12.3
@@angelcod7359 then why would the netz be the same br
@@derbe8647 it’s the dev server, everything is subject to change don’t start getting all mad over it this early
Aim-120A is going to be the standard of Fox-3s. It will just barely be competitive enough. And the aircraft they are on aren’t even the best version of the aircraft in the game. The F-15J Kai is just a straight out upgrade and has AAM-4s and AAM-3s, essentially 120Cs and better aim-9Ms…
Yeah, I’m about sick with Gaijin screwing USA every chance they get and giving Russia EVERYTHING they want.
AAAAAnd all of this is basically useless because .. multipathing! Yay!
What I’m saying lol. Nothing super special. You just get to dump your missile and disengage OR get to engage onto the next target. But with multipathing and people STILL flying low in their “safe space” AMRAAMS are pretty niche
it's definitely special in BVR and some chaotic situations where 3 targets accidentally got a bit of altitude, with fox-1 you can only get one while locking all the way, fox-3 gives you more room and can get more targets at the same time, I'm not saying it's OP but it's not down to a level of uselessness, still special in half the cases you get in the 16vs16 chaotic gameplay, multipathing is a bit too strong but with the MICA in the game I doubt if we need to nerf it, cuz then Mirage 2000-5Fs would just be a 25KM death zone moving at mach 1.5...
I fly a lot of sim so I’m very exited for these
An opinion from someone that doesn’t know how to use them
Boohoo you can’t have a 100% hit rate within a certain range (pretty large) CRY ABOUT IT BABY THE GAMW NEEDS TO BE FUN AND BALANCED
Missile / Service Date
Derby 1990-1999~ unknown (could not find reference)
AIM-120A 1991
R-77 1991
AIM-120B 1994
R-Darter 1995
MICA-EM 1996
AAM-4 1999/2000
PL-12 2005
where did you get this info? r77 didn't enter service until 1994 because of soviet union problems(kinda fell apart) and it really only started getting usable when the r77-1 (aa12b) entered service in 2015?
@@zehi04 It did enter service in 1994, yes, but the state tests of the r-77 (RVV-SD) were completed (meaning that the missile was fully ready to enter service) in 1991. The reason why this didn't happen is, as you mentioned, the collapse of the USSR
Although officially adopted in 1994, realistically Russia never used the R-77. Not even with the Su-27SM. Since the russian government never actually placed a big order, the R-77 was mainly an export weapon (for China and India). Russia kept using the R-27ERs until a few time ago (indeed, the Su-27SMs stationed in Belbek, Crimea, which are not capable of firing the R-77-1, still uses the R-27ER as its main weapon until today).
Russia only transitioned to the ARH era in the early 2010s when it adopted the R-77-1 (this time with multiple big orders) and their new plataforms, such as the Su-27SM3, Su-35S and Su-30SM.
The R-27EA (ARH variant of the R-27) was successfully tested in the late 80s aswell, but it’s claimed to never had entered service, so Russia had truly relying on obsolete missiles for decades (while massively exporting modern ones to other countries 🤡 just Russia in a nutshell…)
This isn't actually correct, the AIM-120A's date of 1991 is the date it was deployed for use by F-15s, whereas the R-77s date is not when it either entered service of was fully deployed.
@@-..----.--.-... "It did enter service in 1994, yes, but the state tests of the r-77 (RVV-SD) were completed (meaning that the missile was fully ready to enter service) in 1991"
See this is disingenuous because if you are going to do this for the R-77 you have to do it for all of them, we use "entered service" because that is when it was actually being used i.e. everything was completed.
For instance, the AIM-120A tests were not completed in 1991, 1991 is the year they were actually deployed into US service i.e. in September 1991 AMRAAMs started being used by F-15s and in 1992 were used in actual combat, 1991 is not the year the tests were completed.
I don't think people actually realise how "old" the AIM-120A is, the AIM-120 completed its initial flight tests back in the early 80s.... Furthermore testing seems to have been fully completed in 1987 or 1988.
Hence the R-77 was completed in 1994 not 1991, literally no one even used it until like 2002 (With India) because as noted by Illustrious the Russian weren't even really using the R-77 and were instead still using the R-27s, they only really started using the R-77-1 and that started back in like 2010 or something.
Man the F15J Kai looks sickkkkkk , if I had to grind an f15 it’d be that one
bro is uploading at the speed of light
AIM-120Bs in DCS can take out a bandit flying almost 80 degrees below you at a range of about 10nm+altitude advantage. The turn capability is crazy. Not sure if it's that good IRL but DCS/WT it's night and day difference when it comes to AIM-120B turn performance.
The Mirage 2000 5F will be the new top dog istg
Mat talking about the mirage 5f: 'look at that acceleration of that missle'
Me:staring at the load of the m2000 cause it looks soooooo coooool
time to enjoy uptiers in my f4e vs f16s with fox3s
Mica has thrust vectoring and turns more than r73. Did an hour of dogfights, if u can get a radar lock noone survives this.
Lotta crybabies in these comments. How about play the game.
I’ve been using the AMRAAM and I’ve been smoking people. Especially people in other planes with the supposedly better missiles.
These missiles are all good, and if you use them properly, they connect.
Stop complaining endlessly and try to enjoy yourself. And maybe, just maybe, get good.
So Britain has to grind a top tier aircraft and pay 1.6 mil+ SL's JUST for a missile... not an aircraft... just a missile... let that sink in.
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The B model amraam came in 94, same year as the r77. The C another 2 years later, and there are like 8 c variants if i recall.
The MICE-EM range was actually modeled incorrectly sadly. It's supposed to have an 80km range/50mi range but I think for "balancing" purposes Gaijin nerfed it which is understandable but in real life there was no "balanced" sort of weaponry, just whoever can get the most powerful, lethal, weapon for the job
As a uk main, im very much looking forward to this update
So glad my f16c will be getting aim120 and I don’t have to grind f15 line
Same with 2000-5F 😁
I think the reason the r77 feels bad is because you launched it transonic, at that speed the chess grader fins make alot of drag at that speed
Bro the aim260 has an estimated range of 120 miles lol. The aim9x can pull between 60 and 70g’s. American unhealthy care is pretty nuts
Wait till you hear about the R37M or the IRIS-T
@@AJ_on_One1R-37M probably isn’t all that great against fighters
The 260 is esitmated to a be upwards of 130 to 150 miles. I say that because the PL-15 is 125NM and the reason the U.S is building the 260 is because of the PL-15
@@christopherchartier3017 tell that to ukraine, Russia scored confirmed kills from across the border with mig 31s against ukrainian flankers in the early war period
@@christopherchartier3017 Thats the crazy part to think considering its made to take down AWACS systems, almost similar to how the Phoenix was made to take out soviet bombers, except the r37m is just a much more modernized concept with a far more advanced seeker head, Its a hypersonic missile Im fairly certain it could hit a fighter, especially one of an older flanker with primitive/earlier warning systems🤷🏾♂️.
Bro called the RB-99 a "maybe not the Best Amraam" while it beeing a Hecking 120 D
Cant wait to face fox 3 aircraft that can fire from outside my range and crank and turn away before i have even fired a sparrow yet
God the new sea harrier looks sooooooooo good
World's biggest air force and highest defense budget on its way to become the bottom dog in war thunder again lmao.
Yes, adding 27SM which is 21 years old and adding F-15C which is 45 years old as it's main rival is wonderful. Wow.
Yep 😂😂 out of 5 NATIONS we are 1 and 2, but somehow the F-15 loses out to Cold War Technology
@@SldOnEmWithDa45 Su27sm and grippen C entered service way later than the F15C, so it is just that if we put late 90s american jets alongside the others, USA will just become too OP
All American tech in this game is obviously purposely nerfed because they can't win irl.
@@blayzz-xmp5861 what kind of logic is this? So after there's nothing else that could be added, you're saying that hypothetically an F-22A with AIM-260s has every right to destroy everything in it's path? If Su-27SM was created way after the F-15C, give me something that matches the age of that SM. Not a "new" F-15 which only things making it new being possibly a little higher thrust and AIM-120 capability.
The fucking SM entered Russian service in two thousand fucking three. You're okay with a 24 year older aircraft being added to US tree?
@@ephealtun For me the only way is giving every countries a sub tree with the necessary jet to close the gap
the RB 75T is a swedish modification of the RB 75, not a AGM-65G
i bought the F-20 because it could carry 3 AIM-120s in real life and the fact it isnt getting them make me livid
Dont buy of what they could have, buy off of what they have currently in game. Gaijin would usually over promise and under deliver
i remember when 30g's was impressive
Everybody's FOX 3 missiles : 80 km launch range. France : 50 km.....
During a Taiwanese test on May 8 1998, a MICA EM destroyed a drone after traveling 67 km.
MICA EM by Gaijin : 50 km range and 4.74 kg of explosives. MICA EM in reality : 80 km range and 12 kg of explosives.
They really want to nerf it hard.
Ignore the stat card, the numbers are basically written at random in there. Also, the way the missiles are in the game right now, even a 40 km shot with any of them can only suceed in Matt's wet dreams. Any attempt to resist it and the missile will run out of energy.
The German Mig29G should get the R77
No it shouldn’t
The aim-120 probly knows that the target is far enought so it turn less to gain more energy no?
between the f14c and the su27sm which one should i research first, are the aim 120's better or r-77
Looks like the aim120a takes quite a bit of time till it starts fully turning
It’s only 35G’s, but honestly for what that missile’s purpose is, that’s more than enough
Every missile needs to go fast to turn hard. It’s never going to achieve a 50 G turn off the rail. Only in during specific conditions
I feel offended that they didnt give the JA 37D AMRAAMs
germany just gets scammed again
lets put a 3. gen at 12.7 without irccm heat seekers
Till they will add the Eurofighter, IrisT/For the F4F ICE) or a Proper Subtree to Germany in one of the furture Patches, the Airtree will suffer hard .... the Bundeswehr simple stopped upgrading from the end of the 80s and that Gap we start to feel right now.
When does this update come out?
good question
I am just wondering why the f-15 can only 4 aim-120 instead of up to 8 irl. It’s pretty deceiving as it also only gets the a variant which is kind of inferior to most missiles that are being added.
Oh damn. 12.0 F16 with aim9m
Opinion on the likelihood that they’re gonna add the f-18 anytime soon
anyone know how they perform against ground huggers? Will they just slam into the ground?
Multitpathing is definitely still a thing
Hopefully they will act the same as Fox 1s when it comes to this
@@FergieThunder well yes but I mean will they lose radar lock just by being low altitude
I mean if ground clutter messes with on board radar I don't know why the missile radar wouldn't be affected by it.
Sometimes if they are close enough, they will still track and hit you. Was flying between mountains to dodge an aim120 and still got hit when I popped out.
I still wanna know where the darn HARMs are for muh F-16C lol
On the Dev server its good, But watch when it Hits Live it's gonna Under preform big time
Does the mirage 4000 will get mica’s ?
When is the update coming out?
The jas37 viggen should get aim 120 a it could carry them irl
The f4f ice is gonna get stomped, getting introduced at the same br as the other planes makes it useless.
MORE VIDEOS I NEED MOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's what they call balance. 4 120A or 6 R77 not -1 vs 6 thrust vectoring mica xD
F16 from China should have aim120.... Its MLU variant...
Aren’t AMRAAMs 40 g’s?
They were also 40 g’s for the test event
And F4F at 12.7 with aim9L only and archaic RDR without missile launch warning xD Rough
Love ur videos man
Do you need to hold the lock?
i heard that the 7-77 on board radar is worse than the AIM-120
will the GERMAN mig 29 get fox 3s?
They should have made a transition... F-16A ADF - AIM-120A, F-16C - AIM-120B and on other jets too, cause like this it's bs... You face 50G missles with F-16 at 12.0 and with other jets, which doesnt even have any medium range missles
EDIT: F-16As at 12.0 doesnt even have AIM-9M
The F-16ADF and the Italian and Chinese F-16 should have AMRAAMs along with the JAS-39A. Wtf is Gaijin doing man...
F-4 ICE could get the IRIS-Ts but it is way too early for that.
Do the F-4s got fox 3s? Probably not
bro why u didnt show the derby i waited for that😢
16:57 I think he’s coping about something
Coping about what?
Will japan's first f-15 get fox-3's?
Love your vids
do the mirage 2000c-s4 also get the mica?
No, only the 5f. The c-s4 and c-s5 will not get the mica
@@krislopez6590the 4000?
Hey, met! Can you please play the J-11A? I just want to know if it has a better RWR.
No, still has the old one. Is also heavier than the russian flanker... one more for the bias counter
@@HighRiskV like the phantom's rwr at 12.7
Another coin in the "Not coming back" jar. Cause the US always has to be shafted and get the short end of the stick. Though, frankly honest, the F-4F at 12.7? Good grief, somebody should be fired...
I thought the amraam was smokeless?
Did you really think they’re just going to add the Aim120C right away lol it took many years before it came out
Looking at Rank VIII Chinese aviation tree, there is nothing for me right now, but I'm getting a sense that over the next 2 patches I'm either going to like Gaijin very much or hate Gaijin enough to uninstall War Thunder.
Maybe J-10 Winter update along with Raf, Typhoon, etc. But I feel they won’t come til maybe next year. But Gaijin is Gaijin so we shall see. They all likely will have a suppressed fm
The block 20 should’ve gotten amraams
@@bwhittv1446 J-10 is not what I am primarily looking for.
@@frosty8183 I've always considered the current positioning of F-16A MLU to be a mistake. It was only ever justified by the now long-defunct novelty of having a late-model F-16 ingame, and Gaijin should have implemented F-16/79 for a Lima-Sidewinder- and Sparrow-only F-16 there.
@@dy031101look at belgians MLU bruh, there is no excuse
how shocking... the r-77 is just objectively better than the amraam, i'm so shocked.
how did u get the 14m ge i played the dev server and i didnt got any ge
He’s a content creator. They give him GE to showcase stuff
@@patriotic-panda oh k
so the us is getting the worse version of its own missile 😭
Yay gijian fucking over Italy again with the harrier not being able to get 6 missiles compared to the British one
Bro has 15 million GE 😭
It’s dev server ..
Awesome! The US gets boned again, and Russia gets the crown jewel missile. Again.
man the f4f ICE is not going to be good:(
the missiles are good keep your distance and your fine, dont engage the others in close combat or dogfight anything.
@@STRYKER1467sounds like how you play a mig21..gun n run but its still an F-4 fm at that br..
What its interesting is its 11.7 at ground rb..it only has 2 freaking AGMs although I understand that aim120 can be nuts against other aircrafts but welp, decompression is still a thing gaijin.
@@explosivecommando9100 its pretty much that they shouldve made the ICE premium or something like what they did with the MiG-21Bison they are both modernized gen.3 jets, they decided against it because they already have no further planes to be added, and nothing which can counter the F-15C and others in the first place, and its too early for the typhoon.
Easily DOA. Should’ve been added in the Winter update and just had the F-4F ICE and the J-8F get AMRAAMS as an early test bed… but nope. Both jets be DOA when they got added and the J-8F STILL is.
WHY DOES IT SHOOT THE WINGTIPS FIRST!! THATS NOT HOW THAT WORKS!
Lol as per usual gaijin gives the U.S the worst but hey im gonna have fun flying the F-14 and SU-27 more than the F-15C
And the worst F-15
What are you talking about lol f16a overperforming compared to Su-27 and MiG-29
m1a2(and sep and sepv2) over 2A5 and maybe 2A6 lol
@@yuanfurbaxthat’s the biggest cap I’ve ever heard lmao
@@angelcod7359 why?
@@yuanfurbax are you trolling rn?
Another update, nothing for Germany lmao. The ICE is going to be useless, it needs to be lower than 12.7 with being such a boat of an aircraft (even if it’s the lightest f4f). Germany hasn’t gotten anything in 2 whole major updates. While Russia is getting the new Sukoyi (an early 2000 version keep in mind). If you’re going to do that add the Eurofighter. MiG-29g is also going to get stomped. Fighting f14s,f16s,Grippens and not getting fox3s. This game is just so incredibly bad I’m not playing this next update
Mirrage s4 nao consegue utilizar os mica?
No
I was kind of ok with the phantom as a German player. Until I found out that A) Aim9L's on 12,7 ?!
And more important, B) UK gets a TORNADO with fox3 and Germany doesn't ?!
That's some snail level bullshit.
A) Maybe we will see the AIM9L/I for the ICE
B) Germany never operated the ADV
@@nuklear7074 sadly it never did operate it.
On the other Hand, having only a Phantom at 12.7 until we get the Eurofighter is pretty bad.
This plane has no business being up there, its just gonna get shredded
@@DJRaffa1000 I think it would be alright if it gets the L/I and goes down to 12.0 or even 11.7. Sure ARH are way better then SARH but with a semi decent player beeing able to avoid both types with no effort why should the ICE not be a lower BR.
@@nuklear7074 if it goes down to 12.0 or 11.7 the Phantom WI be completely fine. But currently at 12.7 it is rediculous what it has to face in great numbers.
Also i'm a little rusty with my aim9s, what did the L/I do again that makes it better ? Some dort of flare resistance or what does it offer over the normal L.
@@DJRaffa1000 The 9L/I is a 9L with a new seeker head made by a german company. Its basically a 9L with IRCCM at least on par with the 9M if not a bit better.
Naww I just did the math 70,000$ for just 14 million golden eagles 10,000 get for 50$.. 1,400 packs at 50$=70,000 $=14 mill GE??? We have questions
not gonna lie youre making me mad not showing the full load out of the new aircrafts like the 13.0 F16
R-77 having 15 more G’s of pull than aim120 is peak gaijin bias
I know the always do that
Did you research about it. R77 is the worst Fox 3.
Stat cards lie, R77 is an oiltanker.
@ThanhNguyen-xf9dl Its not the r77, its either the darby either the darter, one of them lofts super high and when it reaches the enemy plane it hits them from above. If the enemy plane doesn't do anything about it, the missile is almost out of energy at that point. 77 is a good missile, better than the aim 120 bcz higher G pulls but not gamebreaking by any means. We still have no idea how chaff hungry they are compared to eachother
Matt I know you love just throwing content out so fast when something new is out to get as much traffic to you but please do some research for the things you are talking about. Hearing you say I dont know anything about this makes me want to close down the video.
of corse the american planes are getting the worst missles again.....
Did you miss the Phantom at 12.7 with AIM9Ls? Quit crying. At least your jet was produced inside of the last 75 years.
Facts @@fboyg91
cry harder bro the f-15 and 16 c’s will still be competent. just get good at the game.
Soooo basically the us got the worst missile of all of them
Sotaque brasileiro?
Not gonna lie this update is stacked