I just started learning and studying classical music and Beethoven was someone that I always wanted to know better and understand why he is considered such a genius... But man, nobody prepared me for this. Thanks for the comment, it helped me be sure about what I was hearing! What a beautiful art music is!
@@agustinmilano6839 Ain't it the truth? What's really crazy is that no other composer sought to develop that jazziness, until Gershwin came around. As Debussy said (I forget the exact quote) music isn't about theory, but the pleasure it can bring.
@@robb6560 Exactly what I had in mind. His late music is atemporal. For example the slow sections of his "Heiliger Dankgesang" are closer to renaissance music than romantic music. After a few months he comes up with the Grosse Fugue, something that sounds like what a composer from the 20th century would compose.
I agree, Ludwig would have soared freely if he could have broken free from the shackles of diminished chords and dominant 7ths needing to tonicize a key. The last 3 sonatas showed he wanted to go there. He did in some of his fugues and late string quartets, exploring free-floating chromaticism which I think is where he was heading.
In one sense - because the romantic era followed, I would agree. But in another sense, the issue for many following composers was that Beethoven pushed things so far ahead they struggled to find a way to follow. The Romantic movement, in that sense, was a bit of a side-step and then a rather different path that would take decades to converge,
Beethoven is a lot more recent than you think he might be, he wrote this sonata only about 75 years before Scott Joplin wrote his Maple Leaf Rag which is considered the birth of ragtime/jazz. Still impressive that Beethoven was 75 years ahead of his time, but nowhere near 100s of years.
Drew Guy It makes sense to me. A lot of people who listen to his earlier sonatas and then listened to Beethoven progress and become more abstract and complex in his later years have an easier time going through sonata to sonata. You start noticing subtle differences, and eventually they have transformed into something beyond our comprehension.
It’s as we grow older that the last 3 sonatas become something else. If they do so then WE have aged well, grown into a deep and wonderful, perfectly beautiful understanding. We are blessed by the gods of music.
16:47 Gershwin? Heinrich Neuhaus (teacher of Gilels and Richter) in his book “The art of piano playing” explains many parallels and prophesies of Beethovens texture, for instance the 3rd movement of Hammerklavier reflects Chopin etc...
For me this is the most sublime piece of music written by Beethoven or any other composer. It is like a mini summary of Beethoven's entire musical journey, from the depths of human despair, struggle against the odds, joyous celebration, glimpsing something beyond humanity, touching the divine, coming back down to humanity, finding peace and reconciliation with ones place in the universe, and giving thanks for life. It lasts a mere half hour and contains the most profound expressions of every emotion Beethoven ever captured. And it sends shivers down my spine and makes me cry (the joyful kind of tears, not the sentimental ones) everytime I hear it. The most sacred experience an atheist like myself can have. Still the best piece written for piano all these years later.
I agree with you in general . I would just add a few of his other pieces in there because this piece doesn’t capture those emotions. He wrote more beautifully and ethereally in other works….Sonata 31, String Quartet #14….etc
Yes, perhaps my statement was a little sweeping. I was speaking in the context of thinking about piano works. But I don't want to exhaust all the joys of Beethoven to soon, and I'm still saving the famous quartets and Diabelli variations for the future. I rarely listen to these gems, because when I do, I want that sublime rediscovery.
@@georgebreidenthal725 I am an atheist and I have been living with this sonata for more than forty years, more precisely with this particular rendition of op.111. Pogorelić is perfect ( this was released in 1982 when he was only 24 years old, pretty amazing if you think about it) and this is Beethoven 's testamentary work. So, yes, I can feel this music is sublime. I don't need religion to help me recognize what's inside of every conscious, thinking and deeply emotional human being. I sincerely hope you understand this, George. Best regards!
@@Ivan_1791 with extreme majesty, beethoven made it clear that what he has done has been done and has ended. It gave the greatest emotions that nobody expected in that period. that final chord, as well as the whole last sonata, for me expresses a chapter that ends, a difficult life full of misunderstandings, which however ended divinely thanks to his music. it is a powerful message of hope that he has transmitted, he is now exhausted from the heavy life he has gone through but he has done so with the awareness of having given something magical, divine to the whole world and which can never be forgotten.
@@fdggothic5015 yes of course he composed other pieces like the memorable 9th symphony, the greatest symphony ever written before.. but practically he finished his life with these compositions.. I think this last sonata was a sign of his end, as if it meant that it was going out and that now all he had to say had said it
To be fair, he knew this would be his last piano sonata (he felt that the instrument constrained him, which is why he transitioned towards string quartets and symphonies. This was written several years before his death. None of this is to say I wouldn't kill to hear his tenth symphony, of course.
The first time I listened to this I was exhausted from work, and I fell asleep halfway through, when I woke up it was over, and honest-to-god I thought I'd dreamt up that Second Movement haha... but it's real! It's real I tell you!
There have been some special people on this planet (Beethoven being one of them), and a lot of this sonata makes me shake my head at his sheer genius. The beginning is frenetic and pissed off, the ragtime comes out of nowhere, and the ending is beautiful, ethereal, and song like.
I think Pogo butchers the rhythm, ruins the continuity by too much tempo and dynamics changing. Romantic style influenced pianists are always trying to bleed meaning from the music by stopping, lingering, trying to be "poetic." These last three Beethoven Sonatas, absolutely sublime in their perfection don't need their terse elegance ruined by such performances.
@@oomphlau its ok if you like a less romantic interpretation but for me Beethoven Is all about expression, and the interpreter takes a major role in that.
@@oomphlau This comment nails it. The romantics mostly considered themselves followers of the classical composers, not “romantics”. So many performances butcher the music with rubato.
People may not be aware that Pogorelić was only 24 years old when this recording was made. Certainly a striking fact, it gets one thinking... How often do we come across a mature and masterful performance such as this one with its executor who slammed the school door behind him just a minute ago?
One of the better recordings by Pogorelich. In comparison, listen to the many other pianists' interpretations available of this great work, but here Pogorelich stands out. Thank you for the upload.
Wow! At 21.56 (the point that elicited Brendel's comment) Beethoven threatens to dive into the infamous popular music progression 1-6-2-5-1 but stops after the 6 chord. He resists going into the lush minor seventh, or 2 chord. Virtually half of all popular songs ever written use the 1-6--2-5-1 as their basic chord progression. We used to refer to it as the "heart and soul" progression after the pop song of the same name. As a classical music buff of 65 years I always wondered why classical composers seem to eschew the 1-6-2-5-1, seeing as how it has become so ubiquitous in pop music today. In the 32nd Sonata Beethoven gave us what must have been the first use of the boogie boogie syncopation in classical music, but stopped short of consummating it with the 1-6-2-5-1 progression to round out his foreshadowing of 20th Century pop music. Amazing.
Beethoven was the King of the piano Sonatas and it's very nice to see them with the Sheet Music Most know the Famous Moonlight Sonata but he also composed 31 other outstanding Piano Sonatas thanks for posting Beethoven was always a huge influence on me and a zillion others the Beautiful Melodies and advanced harmonies made Beethoven as famous as any Rock Star today in Europe during his lifetime and ever since Thanks So very much for posting these Gems PJ GRAND
In my opinion this is alongside the 'Große Fuge' Beethoven's most remarkable and visionary work. Hard to believe that something like it was composed in the early 19th century.
Shortly after the 111-record came out in the middle eighties we, my then girl friend + 20 friends, on the occasion of my girlfriends birthday, went to the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam to hear Ivo P. playing this Beethoven sonata live. It was of course amazing. But when we returned home to continue the party an enormous discussion broke out about Ivo's execution of the work. And the group did not consist of classical scholars at all, Beatles, Stones and Van Morisson were mixed in too. Pogorelic (sic!) had opened a can of worms, which was so wonderful ... Ivo makes the composition very strong, in timing and melody, to me extremely moving. And I knew the sonata by other performers ..., older piano lions, whose names do not pop up immediately although Wilhelm Kempff comes to mind, but I could be mistaken ... Interpretation of classical works of art is a very interesting subject, both by conductors and instrumentalists. Not only because of interpreters and their development, but also because we as people and listeners change, and the times they are changing as well :-). Actually, my tears always start flowing just after the boogie-woogie part because it's there that Beethoven really gets in the thinnest of airs, melodically and emotionally that, as far as I know, has not been reached by any other composer. Hugs to all.
Me too. After the boogie-woogie, I can only say that it is Beethoven's most intimate, warm, and delicate piano music ever written. Those trills at the final variation is just indescribably beautiful. Can't stop the tears from flowing there.
What wonderful insight you have expressed. Thank you. For me, the music itself says it all - I have nothing worthy to add, other to suggest that anybody not aware of this piece of music is in for the treat of his or her life exploring this side of Beethoven's creativity. Treat this as a genuine portal to the world of his Piano Sonatas Opp 101 - 111 and his String Quartets Opp 127 - 135. This is a superb recording, thank you.
According to historian Günter Schnitzelstein, when performing the section at 16:47, Beethoven would back-kick the piano stool away and shout “ jetzt schlag zu” (now hit it) and proceed to play standing up while simultaneous hammering the keys with his bare foot.
I listened to it after the professor gave it to me as an assignment and I have been listening to it every single day since then. I love such powerful and poignant songs. It's great play
I like Pogo's relaxed tempo for the first movement. I think that's the slowest I've heard it performed, but it works because of the intensity he brings to every note.
Pogorelich is known for his often eccentric interpretations, but his performance of this great sonata is virtual perfection. I particularly like the tempo he uses for the first movement. So many pianists - even some of the great ones - take this far too fast. Pogorelich allows us to hear every detail of the semiquaver motifs. Personally, I love Pogorelich's eccentricities, and rate his Gaspard de la Nuit as one of the best on record. He was, as is well known, eliminated from the 1980 Chopin competition by a majority of he judges, prompting the renowned Martha Argerich to leave the judging panel in protest. Incidentally, who knows of a single recording of the winner of that competition, the Vietnamese Dong Thai Son? So much for some piano competition judges! I bet Ashish can dig one out!!
9:19 The end of the first movement is unparalleled in its power and simplicity. Beethoven waves a hand and the storm clouds obediently roll away as if they had never been there.
A very experimental sounding sonata with a lot of interesting sounds to linger on while listening or playing, crazy rhythms and time signatures. This might as well be a sonata in all keys rather than just C minor.
The fact that the last four Sonatas written by this man, all of which must be heard many, many times (and by many pianists) to be fully appreciated, were written when he was profoundly deaf says so much about his undoubted genius. Some may award that description to Mozart, but I will always disagree. The depth of emotion that Beethoven brought to his music, in so many different styles, has not, in my opinion, been bettered yet. He is destined to remain the greatest composer ever. Newcomers to Beethoven would do well, even if they are not pianists, to buy the three volumes of the Sonata scores and read them as they listen to the music. This brings greater depth of understanding and love for the music.
+wintonian I completely agree with you. Mozart was a prodigy (although Beethoven was too, to some degree), and his genius could not be questioned. In my opinion, however, he treated music more like a craft, of which he was a master, and sought to compose based on the rules and conventions established at the time. Although he had his own unique touch, along with practically perfected the classical style, it took Beethoven to stretch the rules and limits of composition. He made music more personal, and a gateway to his inner self.
+Jonathan Kofi Very well written comment. However, Mozart died at 35, beethoven had an extra 22 years to develop. Even then lots of Mozart's later stuff gets pretty emotional and ahead of its time. Check out fugue in c minor k546
what does it have to do anything when you can just ignore the repeat sign pffft also i have a feeling the op is ignorant about mozart, probably only knows his piano sonatas, symhonies and such
That part really isn't jazz or ragtime as many think. It's very rigidly composed, and lacks the improvisatory nature of those later genres. It's part of the larger context of the second movement. Not to sound elitist (those genres have their merits), but I'll quote Sir Andras Schiff: "This is the most spiritual music of the most spiritual composer...let us not speak of banalities."
That's a lot of a compliment because I read many more than one book that Chopin did not like Beethove's music! And Brendel's comment is right to the point: the end of this Sonata is simply divine!
My favorite moment in the whole sonata is the return of the opening theme in Var. 5 of the Arietta, and Pogo *nails* it, the way he sings out the theme against the gently flowing arpeggios beneath it. It's like the first rays of the rising sun.
One time, my music playlist had this sonata in it, and then right afterwards, Bach's WTC book 1, and it felt like the ending of the sonata just fit so well with the beginning of the WTC.. I felt like I had come full circle
Now I know 'beethoven was ahead of his time' is not just a saying you have to say cause he's one of the great and it's something you kind of have to say about them but... He really dropped a ragtime in the middle of the sonata !!! It's like a piece of the future, a premonitory revelation that gets a hold of him for a short time
Is this truly Beethoven? I see a mixture here. Heaviness: Rachmaninoff Fugue-like parts: Bach Some m.g. semiquaver runs: Mozart Swing: Gershwin Loudness: Scriabin (e.g. sonata in e flat minor) Pureness: Burgmuller (like La Candour) Passion: Brahms (like Rhapsody in g minor) Note: Bach's Praeludium in c minor, well tempered clavier book 1 closely matches the Baroque-ish semiquaver run.
Note that the whole second movement is kinda Bachian in essence in the sense that a whole universe comes out organically from one theme. Like the chaconne or the passacaglia
I'm currently waiting for my online chemistry test to start so I decided to play this on my computer while I waited and oh my god the beginning fits to how I feel right now so well.
BEE!!!! Do it brother!! Your last Sonate is brilliant and set forth a future! I hope I can meet you in Heaven (if there is a place) and hear you play this for all those beautiful music lovers out there!
Ludwig van Beethoven:32.c-moll Zongoraszonáta Op.111 1.Maestoso - Allegro con brio ed appassionato 00:00 2. Arietta - Adagio molto semplice e cantabile 09:54 Ivo Pogorelich-zongora
@@nicb4589 this sonata is far from classical era. This is way into romanticism already. And myth or not, it is said that the person who created jazz (can't remember his name) got the inspiration from a piece by Beethoven that he was studying (most likely this piece).
MAgus L It is not far from classicism like you say, but B does bridge the gap between Early Romanticism and the previous Classical period. But that is beside my point. To say that the “jazzy” variations are written in the jazz idiom or with the jazz idiom in mind is darn near impossible!
@@nicb4589 we agree that Beethoven only had his own sonata in mind. It is still way ahead of his time though and the world didn't hear a similar thing for another century. Beethoven didn't create jazz, he created this sonata, but him who created jazz is said to have been inspired by Beethoven and developed the idea. And I'm no expert in music by any means, but this sounds to me more romantic than classical. I accept that I could be widely mistaken due to lack of formal education, I'm just a music lover!
MAgus L Well, the inspiration has to be drawn from somewhere, I guess. And it’s good that even though you’re not taking any formal education, you’re looking into all this information/backstory/influence behind. It’s stuff we musicians are still debating today, so it’s a great conversation to have. This sort of thinking can multiply your appreciation of the music by a million in my opinion!
God had nothing to do with it, it was all Beethoven. You'll be an old man if you waited for a god that doesn't exist to create something as great as this.
>but the best moment of the generally awesome second movement comes at 21:56 Beethoven collides B and C and hits your heart with it. A lesser composer would not dare to do that. Also, 8:13 looks like a callout to the finale of 14th sonata.
let me say that this piece brings up the genius of beethoven, because it's not only one of the best piece ever written but beethoven discouvered two musical genres, he discouvered the "romântique" music and then in this piece he already show some signs of jazz. I don't think that his genius can be compared to something or someone else, not even mozart... LOVE BEETHOVEN
He wasn't on his own Sung po-yu. Bedrich Smetana was completely deaf when he wrote his six cycles of Ma Vlast, my country. He never heard a single note. If you haven't heard it I strongly urge you to. It's power and beauty will stay with you all your life. I promise you.
Its amazing how strong Beethoven really was after all he had suffered in his lifetime. His mother dying, his failed romances, his deafness, young Carl hating me, etc
Thank you most profoundly Ashish for offering me such an experience of the rarest interpretative depth one can find... Pogorelich becomes Beethoven writing this sonata this very minute. Exquisite and precious interpretation as an interpretation should be!!!
Incrediblly masterful pianism by Pogorelich, a captivating interpretation pushing at the boundaries of historical tradition, I couldn't stop listening; not sure I'm convinced, but I will definitley be back ...
It's so WEIRD... for a composer to accidentally write jazz, but not be living anywhere near the context of jazz... really proves that music can come from a deeper place than just our immediate influences and surroundings.
I would not compare these sonatas, Ashish, but I'll say about the 32nd: I have never, ever stopped being deeply moved by it., and before I leave this vale, i'll definitely make a stab at learning it. there is an otherworldl quality to it, it seems at times almost like some fantastic improvisation that begins at A and ends at infinity. I heard it first as a child, the Schnabel recording... ... This one by Pogorelich is wonderfully held back. Here's apianist that could whack it out in his sleep playing it at an Arrau like speed.... I found the Pires recording on RUclips and it also does something...
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When I heard this piece for the first time, I thought the “jazz” variation was added by the performer. Now I realise Beethoven actually composed it!
Crazy, man, like totally out there.
I just started learning and studying classical music and Beethoven was someone that I always wanted to know better and understand why he is considered such a genius... But man, nobody prepared me for this. Thanks for the comment, it helped me be sure about what I was hearing! What a beautiful art music is!
@@agustinmilano6839 Ain't it the truth? What's really crazy is that no other composer sought to develop that jazziness, until Gershwin came around. As Debussy said (I forget the exact quote) music isn't about theory, but the pleasure it can bring.
True! I thought the same!
Lol
16:47 Ludwig van Gershwin
Underrated comment 😂😂 (when I first played this for my dad and told him to guess the composer...his first guess really was Gershwin!)
@@maestrobjwa90 lol
@@maestrobjwa90 nice lmao
Lol.
@@maestrobjwa90 I played to some people and they thought it was post-war music lol, or music from the 20's.
If Beethoven had lived up to 100 years, he’d have composed 22nd century music.
ruclips.net/video/yxFB3VIFGos/видео.html Here we are 22nd Century
No, he composed literally music that is above time.
@@robb6560 Exactly what I had in mind. His late music is atemporal.
For example the slow sections of his "Heiliger Dankgesang" are closer to renaissance music than romantic music. After a few months he comes up with the Grosse Fugue, something that sounds like what a composer from the 20th century would compose.
@@Ivan_1791 Well, that's show catagorise music by period isn't the smartest thing, isn't it?
I agree, Ludwig would have soared freely if he could have broken free from the shackles of diminished chords and dominant 7ths needing to tonicize a key. The last 3 sonatas showed he wanted to go there. He did in some of his fugues and late string quartets, exploring free-floating chromaticism which I think is where he was heading.
29:29 a simple, yet so beautiful C major chord. The point where everything started, now marks the finale of a titan's era.
Beethoven is without a doubt the keystone between the Classical and Romantic eras. This piece is many many years ahead of its time however.
Late Beethoven is the keystone between Romanticism and Modernism.
In one sense - because the romantic era followed, I would agree. But in another sense, the issue for many following composers was that Beethoven pushed things so far ahead they struggled to find a way to follow. The Romantic movement, in that sense, was a bit of a side-step and then a rather different path that would take decades to converge,
@Andrea Murrone ...just after
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.
Full stop.🤗
@@vittoriomarano8230 cap
@@Trooman20 nah, it's true. Beethoven stands on the shoulder of Mozart and Haydn (moreso Mozart).
Its amazing how Beethoven was able to come up with this "Jazz Feel" 100s of years before it became what it is... just simply marvelous!
Blubaibi33 Isn't it more like ragtime?
And deaf
Beethoven is a lot more recent than you think he might be, he wrote this sonata only about 75 years before Scott Joplin wrote his Maple Leaf Rag which is considered the birth of ragtime/jazz. Still impressive that Beethoven was 75 years ahead of his time, but nowhere near 100s of years.
@@shehannanayakkara4162 Yes and S. Joplin considered himself in the classical camp not jazz.
@@shehannanayakkara4162 about one lifetime, or in other words one Verdi
These sonatas age well, like fine wine. When I first listened to them, they were good, now they are something else.
I think it's probably you that's changed.
Drew Guy It makes sense to me. A lot of people who listen to his earlier sonatas and then listened to Beethoven progress and become more abstract and complex in his later years have an easier time going through sonata to sonata. You start noticing subtle differences, and eventually they have transformed into something beyond our comprehension.
TOO WRONG ....
It’s as we grow older that the last 3 sonatas become something else. If they do so then WE have aged well, grown into a deep and wonderful, perfectly beautiful understanding. We are blessed by the gods of music.
@LeftRight “Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music.”
- Rach boi
16:47 Gershwin? Heinrich Neuhaus (teacher of Gilels and Richter) in his book “The art of piano playing” explains many parallels and prophesies of Beethovens texture, for instance the 3rd movement of Hammerklavier reflects Chopin etc...
For me this is the most sublime piece of music written by Beethoven or any other composer. It is like a mini summary of Beethoven's entire musical journey, from the depths of human despair, struggle against the odds, joyous celebration, glimpsing something beyond humanity, touching the divine, coming back down to humanity, finding peace and reconciliation with ones place in the universe, and giving thanks for life. It lasts a mere half hour and contains the most profound expressions of every emotion Beethoven ever captured. And it sends shivers down my spine and makes me cry (the joyful kind of tears, not the sentimental ones) everytime I hear it. The most sacred experience an atheist like myself can have. Still the best piece written for piano all these years later.
I agree with you in general . I would just add a few of his other pieces in there because this piece doesn’t capture those emotions. He wrote more beautifully and ethereally in other works….Sonata 31, String Quartet #14….etc
Yes, perhaps my statement was a little sweeping. I was speaking in the context of thinking about piano works. But I don't want to exhaust all the joys of Beethoven to soon, and I'm still saving the famous quartets and Diabelli variations for the future. I rarely listen to these gems, because when I do, I want that sublime rediscovery.
Neil. How can one listen to this music and still be an atheist? Take a listen to From Bacteria to Beethoven on RUclips.
@@georgebreidenthal725 Thanks George. I will take a listen.
@@georgebreidenthal725 I am an atheist and I have been living with this sonata for more than forty years, more precisely with this particular rendition of op.111. Pogorelić is perfect ( this was released in 1982 when he was only 24 years old, pretty amazing if you think about it) and this is Beethoven 's testamentary work. So, yes, I can feel this music is sublime. I don't need religion to help me recognize what's inside of every conscious, thinking and deeply emotional human being.
I sincerely hope you understand this, George.
Best regards!
29:29 the final C chord expresses the end of all his life, it contain all the wonderful work he has done in his life
Why?
@@Ivan_1791 with extreme majesty, beethoven made it clear that what he has done has been done and has ended. It gave the greatest emotions that nobody expected in that period. that final chord, as well as the whole last sonata, for me expresses a chapter that ends, a difficult life full of misunderstandings, which however ended divinely thanks to his music. it is a powerful message of hope that he has transmitted, he is now exhausted from the heavy life he has gone through but he has done so with the awareness of having given something magical, divine to the whole world and which can never be forgotten.
gaetanofanelli Wasn’t he composing still after this sonata was created though?
Fdg gothic Yeah he composed some more but not a ton atleast I think. He probably purposefully made this the last piano sonata though
@@fdggothic5015 yes of course he composed other pieces like the memorable 9th symphony, the greatest symphony ever written before.. but practically he finished his life with these compositions.. I think this last sonata was a sign of his end, as if it meant that it was going out and that now all he had to say had said it
Wow... Just when I thought I heard all of Beethoven something else comes up and continues to amaze me..
God, do I wish Beethoven lived just a few more years but God am I grateful for everything he was able to create in his short time here.
Why just a few more? J/K ;)
@@SChristianCollins Heal him and make him immortal
Lived relatively long compared to other composers
To be fair, he knew this would be his last piano sonata (he felt that the instrument constrained him, which is why he transitioned towards string quartets and symphonies. This was written several years before his death. None of this is to say I wouldn't kill to hear his tenth symphony, of course.
@@santiagol365 True.
The first movement has a sort of sinister, sneaky sound...and I LOVE it.
Top hat curly 'stache villain kinda sound
The first time I listened to this I was exhausted from work, and I fell asleep halfway through, when I woke up it was over, and honest-to-god I thought I'd dreamt up that Second Movement haha... but it's real! It's real I tell you!
21:05
shaking chills
yeah
You mean "shaking trills"?
Sorry.
his 1st sonata starts with a C, and his last sonata ends with a C major chord, how beautiful
Egemen Sezgin yeah, but the first note of the first sonata is c ;-)
@Charlemagne f minor arpeggio going upward.
Yep, ye haft mentioned it.
I haft deleteth my previous comments.
@Charlemagne Oof
No. First sonata is Fm
@@leemotosuwa as explained, the first note is C
Pogorelich did a great job
6:12 this part is extraordinary
I also noticed how clearly this fugue part sounds in the hands of Pogorelich. I think this is the best performance.
There have been some special people on this planet (Beethoven being one of them), and a lot of this sonata makes me shake my head at his sheer genius. The beginning is frenetic and pissed off, the ragtime comes out of nowhere, and the ending is beautiful, ethereal, and song like.
The second movement is amazing under Pogolerich's hands. His eccentric touch is perfect for such a modern and extravagant composition.
I think Pogo butchers the rhythm, ruins the continuity by too much tempo and dynamics changing. Romantic style influenced pianists are always trying to bleed meaning from the music by stopping, lingering, trying to be "poetic." These last three Beethoven Sonatas, absolutely sublime in their perfection don't need their terse elegance ruined by such performances.
@@oomphlau to play a wrong note Is insignificant, to play without passion Is inexcusable.
L.V. Beethoven
@@oomphlau its ok if you like a less romantic interpretation but for me Beethoven Is all about expression, and the interpreter takes a major role in that.
@@marcossidoruk8033 People need to stop overusing that god damn quote everywhere it isn't needed
@@oomphlau This comment nails it. The romantics mostly considered themselves followers of the classical composers, not “romantics”. So many performances butcher the music with rubato.
16:47 whoa THIS is Beethoven?!?!?
No, it's Palestrina.
Chenluo Family no, it's 50 Cent
Ludwig van Beethoven wait, that true? It s from Palestrina?
*Slowly sighs in disappointment*
No, this is Patrick.
The second movement sound like you are staring into the depths of Beethoven’s soul. It is as if you are traveling to another dimension.
21:08 it remind to me the scherzo of Beethoven's 9th symphony
It sounds kind of like Mozart's Turkish March?
@@LiamLKV definitley not😅
@@LiamLKV no? 😂😂
@@LiamLKV What
I've listened to this sonata many times, and never noticed! It is indeed quite similar, good find!
People may not be aware that Pogorelić was only 24 years old when this recording was made. Certainly a striking fact, it gets one thinking...
How often do we come across a mature and masterful performance such as this one with its executor who slammed the school door behind him just a minute ago?
16:47 starts a kind of ragtime! very modern!
You're right!
He was ahead of his time
@@Noah-wv4td LMAOO
Beethoven does boogie woogie.
@@underzog or vice versa.
amazing how Beethoven took leap from classical to boogie woogie and after that naturally landed in minimalism and impressionism
One of the better recordings by Pogorelich. In comparison, listen to the many other pianists' interpretations available of this great work, but here Pogorelich stands out. Thank you for the upload.
Wow! At 21.56 (the point that elicited Brendel's comment) Beethoven threatens to dive into the infamous popular music progression 1-6-2-5-1 but stops after the 6 chord. He resists going into the lush minor seventh, or 2 chord. Virtually half of all popular songs ever written use the 1-6--2-5-1 as their basic chord progression. We used to refer to it as the "heart and soul" progression after the pop song of the same name. As a classical music buff of 65 years I always wondered why classical composers seem to eschew the 1-6-2-5-1, seeing as how it has become so ubiquitous in pop music today. In the 32nd Sonata Beethoven gave us what must have been the first use of the boogie boogie syncopation in classical music, but stopped short of consummating it with the 1-6-2-5-1 progression to round out his foreshadowing of 20th Century pop music. Amazing.
Beethoven was the King of the piano Sonatas and it's very nice to see them with the Sheet Music Most know the Famous Moonlight Sonata but he also composed 31 other outstanding Piano Sonatas thanks for posting Beethoven was always a huge influence on me and a zillion others the Beautiful Melodies and advanced harmonies made Beethoven as famous as any Rock Star today in Europe during his lifetime and ever since Thanks So very much for posting these Gems PJ GRAND
In my opinion this is alongside the 'Große Fuge' Beethoven's most remarkable and visionary work. Hard to believe that something like it was composed in the early 19th century.
After the last chord, one can smoothly replay the first sonata. Wonderful cycle.
@@JuanSantos-yq1jn I imitate other musicians. Therefore by this word I am an idiot... What?! Stravinsky you big bully
17:50 onwards is pure Beethoven! It’s viscerally emotional, has a “minor” feel and is full of Sforzandi
Exactly how anyone would imagine Beethoven jazz to sound like.
The entire trill section of the second movement is amazing, but the trills at 22:58 are especially beautiful!!
16:47 Swing it, Luddy, you hepcat
The first movement is filled with mature feelings but the second movement sounds so child-like and innocent its absolutely beautiful i love this piece
The Arietta is just beautiful. Another proof of how lyrical Beethoven can get.
Shortly after the 111-record came out in the middle eighties we, my then girl friend + 20 friends, on the occasion of my girlfriends birthday, went to the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam to hear Ivo P. playing this Beethoven sonata live. It was of course amazing. But when we returned home to continue the party an enormous discussion broke out about Ivo's execution of the work. And the group did not consist of classical scholars at all, Beatles, Stones and Van Morisson were mixed in too. Pogorelic (sic!) had opened a can of worms, which was so wonderful ...
Ivo makes the composition very strong, in timing and melody, to me extremely moving. And I knew the sonata by other performers ..., older piano lions, whose names do not pop up immediately although Wilhelm Kempff comes to mind, but I could be mistaken ...
Interpretation of classical works of art is a very interesting subject, both by conductors and instrumentalists. Not only because of interpreters and their development, but also because we as people and listeners change, and the times they are changing as well :-).
Actually, my tears always start flowing just after the boogie-woogie part because it's there that Beethoven really gets in the thinnest of airs, melodically and emotionally that, as far as I know, has not been reached by any other composer.
Hugs to all.
Me too. After the boogie-woogie, I can only say that it is Beethoven's most intimate, warm, and delicate piano music ever written. Those trills at the final variation is just indescribably beautiful. Can't stop the tears from flowing there.
What wonderful insight you have expressed. Thank you. For me, the music itself says it all - I have nothing worthy to add, other to suggest that anybody not aware of this piece of music is in for the treat of his or her life exploring this side of Beethoven's creativity. Treat this as a genuine portal to the world of his Piano Sonatas Opp 101 - 111 and his String Quartets Opp 127 - 135.
This is a superb recording, thank you.
According to historian Günter Schnitzelstein, when performing the section at 16:47, Beethoven would back-kick the piano stool away and shout “ jetzt schlag zu” (now hit it) and proceed to play standing up while simultaneous hammering the keys with his bare foot.
I pretty much already know some idiot is going to take this seriously lmfao
😂😂
16:47 *I'M JAZZIN' IT UP DADDYO'*
I'll just say
Daniel Thrasher?
Cause no one else did and I feel bad
You and boogie beethoven get down here right this instant!
@@koreboredom4302 I can't papa I'm floating on jazz
I go by papa b now
@@ludhannsebastivanbachthove4987 your name papa b lmaooooooo
I listened to it after the professor gave it to me as an assignment and I have been listening to it every single day since then. I love such powerful and poignant songs. It's great play
first chords of 1st movement sounds so stunning.
This is the greatest piece, of the greatest set of pieces, by the greatest composer of piano music.
maybe
I don’t know if Beethoven is the greatest composer of piano music because Chopin is definitely a contender for that title
@@notafurry5965 Chopin music is silly and empty, and lacks ideas against Beethoven's masterworks.
@@eduardoguerraavila8329 I agree
@@eduardoguerraavila8329 absolutely and utterly clueless
This is one of my favorite of all Beethoven's Sonata's! Love it forever!!!
Sonatas - no apostrophe.
6:12 is this a fugato ? Sounds awesome!
Free form canon I think
It is
Sounds like mozart fugue for 2 pianos
This is Beethoven's most profound sonata.
The 31st is better though
disagree
@@lucaslorentz ok
Hammerklavier above everything
@@karoldettlaff5345 nah
l часть
Вступление 0:01
ГП 1:56
Св.п 2:32
ПП 2:55
ЗП 3:30
динамическая реприза 8:45
ll часть 9:53
1 вариация 15:15
2 вариация 16:47
3 вариация 18:51
4 вариация 22:30
5 вариация ?24:43?
кода 27:31
I like Pogo's relaxed tempo for the first movement. I think that's the slowest I've heard it performed, but it works because of the intensity he brings to every note.
Pogorelich is known for his often eccentric interpretations, but his performance of this great sonata is virtual perfection. I particularly like the tempo he uses for the first movement. So many pianists - even some of the great ones - take this far too fast. Pogorelich allows us to hear every detail of the semiquaver motifs. Personally, I love Pogorelich's eccentricities, and rate his Gaspard de la Nuit as one of the best on record. He was, as is well known, eliminated from the 1980 Chopin competition by a majority of he judges, prompting the renowned Martha Argerich to leave the judging panel in protest. Incidentally, who knows of a single recording of the winner of that competition, the Vietnamese Dong Thai Son? So much for some piano competition judges! I bet Ashish can dig one out!!
9:19 The end of the first movement is unparalleled in its power and simplicity. Beethoven waves a hand and the storm clouds obediently roll away as if they had never been there.
A very experimental sounding sonata with a lot of interesting sounds to linger on while listening or playing, crazy rhythms and time signatures. This might as well be a sonata in all keys rather than just C minor.
I don’t care what you say, but that thing is Jazz, the swing and texture is there, plus the dude was freaking deaf!! True genius!!
The fact that the last four Sonatas written by this man, all of which must be heard many, many times (and by many pianists) to be fully appreciated, were written when he was profoundly deaf says so much about his undoubted genius. Some may award that description to Mozart, but I will always disagree. The depth of emotion that Beethoven brought to his music, in so many different styles, has not, in my opinion, been bettered yet. He is destined to remain the greatest composer ever.
Newcomers to Beethoven would do well, even if they are not pianists, to buy the three volumes of the Sonata scores and read them as they listen to the music. This brings greater depth of understanding and love for the music.
+wintonian I completely agree with you. Mozart was a prodigy (although Beethoven was too, to some degree), and his genius could not be questioned. In my opinion, however, he treated music more like a craft, of which he was a master, and sought to compose based on the rules and conventions established at the time. Although he had his own unique touch, along with practically perfected the classical style, it took Beethoven to stretch the rules and limits of composition. He made music more personal, and a gateway to his inner self.
+Jonathan Kofi Very well written comment. However, Mozart died at 35, beethoven had an extra 22 years to develop. Even then lots of Mozart's later stuff gets pretty emotional and ahead of its time. Check out fugue in c minor k546
+irishmanonthecan Mozart still couldn't get rid of his habit of putting the repeat sign when you thought a piece was over
what does it have to do anything when you can just ignore the repeat sign pffft
also i have a feeling the op is ignorant about mozart, probably only knows his piano sonatas, symhonies and such
One's genius doesn't make another's less great
A deaf man predicted rag time (16:47)
invented
That part really isn't jazz or ragtime as many think. It's very rigidly composed, and lacks the improvisatory nature of those later genres. It's part of the larger context of the second movement. Not to sound elitist (those genres have their merits), but I'll quote Sir Andras Schiff: "This is the most spiritual music of the most spiritual composer...let us not speak of banalities."
@@spacebanana5000 lol I just thought it kinda sounds like ragtime 🤣
@@spacebanana5000 Ragtime, or at least Scott Joplin’s works, was also very rigidly composed and involved no improvisation.
He time travelled and met up with Scott Joplin real quick and as a result of his time travelling, he was forced to lose his hearing
16:48 When Beethoven invented Jazz music
That one violinist composer who invented heavy metal: "Am I a joke to you?"
@@Kyubiwan who is he?
@@jmrabinez9254 vivaldi
@@Kyubiwan with what song?
Summer 3rd mvt
That's a lot of a compliment because I read many more than one book that Chopin did not like Beethove's music! And Brendel's comment is right to the point: the end of this Sonata is simply divine!
My favorite moment in the whole sonata is the return of the opening theme in Var. 5 of the Arietta, and Pogo *nails* it, the way he sings out the theme against the gently flowing arpeggios beneath it. It's like the first rays of the rising sun.
The Arietta is a very transcendental and mystical piece.
One time, my music playlist had this sonata in it, and then right afterwards, Bach's WTC book 1, and it felt like the ending of the sonata just fit so well with the beginning of the WTC.. I felt like I had come full circle
Now I know 'beethoven was ahead of his time' is not just a saying you have to say cause he's one of the great and it's something you kind of have to say about them but... He really dropped a ragtime in the middle of the sonata !!! It's like a piece of the future, a premonitory revelation that gets a hold of him for a short time
Is this truly Beethoven?
I see a mixture here.
Heaviness: Rachmaninoff
Fugue-like parts: Bach
Some m.g. semiquaver runs: Mozart
Swing: Gershwin
Loudness: Scriabin (e.g. sonata in e flat minor)
Pureness: Burgmuller (like La Candour)
Passion: Brahms (like Rhapsody in g minor)
Note: Bach's Praeludium in c minor, well tempered clavier book 1 closely matches the Baroque-ish semiquaver run.
That's why this sonata is so great.
Every artist is a mix of fragments from all the other artists before them
@Aksel Pelkonen yea, but not all of them were, so focus my argument on these
@Aksel Pelkonen you got a point dawg
Note that the whole second movement is kinda Bachian in essence in the sense that a whole universe comes out organically from one theme. Like the chaconne or the passacaglia
Perfectly played.
I'm currently waiting for my online chemistry test to start so I decided to play this on my computer while I waited and oh my god the beginning fits to how I feel right now so well.
This one, this sonata is so simple, yet so complex. Beautiful
Beethoven lasts sonatas and me. Forty years of love.
the best sonata of classical music 28:25 this is the most beautiful and talented moment
16:47 Variation Alla Gershwin
BEE!!!! Do it brother!! Your last Sonate is brilliant and set forth a future! I hope I can meet you in Heaven (if there is a place) and hear you play this for all those beautiful music lovers out there!
This is deep
@@taranmellacheruvu2504 I am actually 14 and the second movement is sooo good.
Ludwig van Beethoven:32.c-moll Zongoraszonáta Op.111
1.Maestoso - Allegro con brio ed appassionato 00:00
2. Arietta - Adagio molto semplice e cantabile 09:54
Ivo Pogorelich-zongora
Köszönöm az értékelést
16:47 He was so ahead of his time
It’s not jazz or boogie-woogie. You have to hear this music with classical era ears. It’s not him predicting boogie woogie lol
@@nicb4589 this sonata is far from classical era. This is way into romanticism already. And myth or not, it is said that the person who created jazz (can't remember his name) got the inspiration from a piece by Beethoven that he was studying (most likely this piece).
MAgus L It is not far from classicism like you say, but B does bridge the gap between Early Romanticism and the previous Classical period. But that is beside my point. To say that the “jazzy” variations are written in the jazz idiom or with the jazz idiom in mind is darn near impossible!
@@nicb4589 we agree that Beethoven only had his own sonata in mind. It is still way ahead of his time though and the world didn't hear a similar thing for another century. Beethoven didn't create jazz, he created this sonata, but him who created jazz is said to have been inspired by Beethoven and developed the idea. And I'm no expert in music by any means, but this sounds to me more romantic than classical. I accept that I could be widely mistaken due to lack of formal education, I'm just a music lover!
MAgus L Well, the inspiration has to be drawn from somewhere, I guess. And it’s good that even though you’re not taking any formal education, you’re looking into all this information/backstory/influence behind. It’s stuff we musicians are still debating today, so it’s a great conversation to have. This sort of thinking can multiply your appreciation of the music by a million in my opinion!
This sonata is one reason God invented tears! Well played and, as previously noted, worth listening to performed by many pianists.
God had nothing to do with it, it was all Beethoven. You'll be an old man if you waited for a god that doesn't exist to create something as great as this.
@@pianoboylaker6560 i think you misread the comment. but yes
@@pianoboylaker6560Beethoven is God himself.
I was deeply concentrated, studying for a final.. then the second movement began and before I knew it I was dancing in front of my desk^^
The opening page of the second movement sounds like Minecraft ambient music.
Edit: 23:01 is my favorite part, it sounds like rain in the forest.
16:48 the moment Beethoven invented Boogie Woogie. Pogorelich makes no attempt at hiding the similarity.
27:41 Extremely magical and luminous. It reminds me of the Walt Disney Pictures logo on the movies. Seriously!
>but the best moment of the generally awesome second movement comes at 21:56
Beethoven collides B and C and hits your heart with it. A lesser composer would not dare to do that.
Also, 8:13 looks like a callout to the finale of 14th sonata.
Man I love your channel!
Pogorelich, the best performance
let me say that this piece brings up the genius of beethoven, because it's not only one of the best piece ever written but beethoven discouvered two musical genres, he discouvered the "romântique" music and then in this piece he already show some signs of jazz. I don't think that his genius can be compared to something or someone else, not even mozart... LOVE BEETHOVEN
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Absolutely agree with you. Beethoven's geniality is above all composers and above all art.
don't forget Bach;)
Sounds more like blues, and boogie woogie
My favorite moment begins at 24:51 :”-)
5th variation
I always start to laugh at 16:47 :D
Me too ahahah it's incredible, i laugh even at 13:00
Beethoven late works never fail to impress.... and all are from a deaf man. Truely incredible.
He wasn't on his own Sung po-yu. Bedrich Smetana was completely deaf when he wrote his six cycles of Ma Vlast, my country. He never heard a single note. If you haven't heard it I strongly urge you to. It's power and beauty will stay with you all your life. I promise you.
The same avout liszt. But it is more an unexpectation than impression
久しぶりに聴いて最後涙が出ました。終わってまだ音が鳴っている様な妙な感覚に襲われ鳥肌ががたちました。
So glad for Beethoven. Bravo to the performer.
Its amazing how strong Beethoven really was after all he had suffered in his lifetime. His mother dying, his failed romances, his deafness, young Carl hating me, etc
Carl czerny hate beethoven?
@@Twilight55685 no Karl van Beethoven, his nephew.
@@Trooman20ooowh
Thank you most profoundly Ashish for offering me such an experience of the rarest interpretative depth one can find... Pogorelich becomes Beethoven writing this sonata this very minute. Exquisite and precious interpretation as an interpretation should be!!!
Thank you. Very soothing in these trying times. Have a blessed day. 🙏
Napoleon was taking a bow to Greatest of all ...
Napoleon was dead.
God, I love this sonata. I really do.
23:13 His piano concerto no. 5 :)
II.Adagio
Good ear
Incrediblly masterful pianism by Pogorelich, a captivating interpretation pushing at the boundaries of historical tradition, I couldn't stop listening; not sure I'm convinced, but I will definitley be back ...
Beethoven 18. E flat major Sonata, 4th movement also jazzy like 16:47
This performance is so clear!
16:47 He was obviously drunk when he wrote this.
I was drunk when I wrote everything
There has been speculation that Beethoven was bipolar--- or, that he had Asperger's Syndrome. This sonata is brilliant, but peculiarly so.
Frozy Could be real. He drunk VERY much vine in his last years
Frozy nice avatar, julliane
He was a genious. You wouldn't understand
27:41 the perfect emulation of a music-box
The final Cmaj chord is the equivalent of "that's all folks", makes me sad, was his final piano sonta.
Agreed, it feels a long and harsh but beautiful journey coming to an end
with no hyperbole simply trascendental
It's so WEIRD... for a composer to accidentally write jazz, but not be living anywhere near the context of jazz... really proves that music can come from a deeper place than just our immediate influences and surroundings.
Human soul
People say time travel is impossible. After hearing this I'm not so sure. Beethoven may have had a time machine.
I would not compare these sonatas, Ashish, but I'll say about the 32nd: I have never, ever stopped being deeply moved by it., and before I leave this vale, i'll definitely make a stab at learning it. there is an otherworldl quality to it, it seems at times almost like some fantastic improvisation that begins at A and ends at infinity. I heard it first as a child, the Schnabel recording... ... This one by Pogorelich is wonderfully held back. Here's apianist that could whack it out in his sleep playing it at an Arrau like speed.... I found the Pires recording on RUclips and it also does something...
🙏🙏 One wants to sit in silence for an hour after listening to this.