The video is not clear on what this does or doesn't do, can it voice call, and watch youtube? If not, you should make that very clear and the video is misleading.
I am 100% making that, and I'm adding speech to text; also text to speech for when people respond. Should I integrate noise cancellation into the vape unit? There's a sentence you don't see every day lol but it's an opportunity for RISCV to create a tiny market slice, too small to even be niche but enough for a single dev to make some $$$ without paying asinine royalties to capital/investment management companies, which own all the really good commercial tools at this point.
@dieselphiend my point is, for such a business critical service, you would want to expect some degree of central authority to impose a set of rules and, specially, a "good enough" availability service levels. Hence, there would need to exist, at least, an enterprise grade mesh (which private users may end up prefering as well, due to better QoS) Eventually, at least 1 private organization would be laying down these setups over countries, in order to ensure service coverage. Et voilà! You have ISPs again. There are existing, and actually old, technologies to provide cheap service across small areas, such as Wi-Fi long range links, private cell phone repeaters... which a single individual could try and rig over his/her community. Therefore. Why do we even need this? To use for simple messaging over some specific locked app/protocol which apparently does not support any sort of high bandwidth usages. I see really niche usecase for this product. Basically, is sort of like a off-the-grid communication tool, only that you are still in a grid (some one else's), unless you crawl your way through this thing source code and actually have an isolated setup, if you are paranoid or a criminal. Still, you could do the same (private network mesh) with existing technology in much simpler ways. Hence. Why?
french already did this. Take a look at their country side. Some supermarkets do exist but their main selling products are chemicals and products that you can't produce at home, majority of food is from local farmers. Quality food, similar price.
Exactly. There comes a point where peer to peer is not enough on its own and will have to be interconnected with a bigger system such as the internet, cellular service, satellite systems, or landline phone connections.
@@FrostCraftedMC but it is using low frequencies so only so much bandwidth it can have. If you wanted to send pictures or videos, you would have a hard time. If more people get on it, it will actually congest the network even more
If disposable vape manufacturers started including these LoRa chips in those new full color display vapes and gaming vapes we would have a robust national and possibly international wireless mesh network within days.
@@jamess1787 "Who calls these days?" I would say hundreds of millions worldwide. What I'm able to arrange by call in one minute, you will be typing like an ldiot half an hour.
God I wish you would stop overselling the crap out of every product, project or video you cover/produce. It is tiresome and makes your content, which can be actually pretty entertaining/informative, hard to watch. So over the top every time, disingenuous and just plain tacky. Just be real man. People will love it. This click bait RUclips marketing brain is just getting shameful at this point. Just showcase what you've got, it's awesome without the fluff! You make good content! Let it stand on its own without the crap. You don't need it like others do!
It only bothers me when i fall for it by only watching what grabs my attention via thumbnail. I try not to let the “ phone killer “ algorithm nonsense be the reason I watch. I try to either watch videos from creators I already trust where the subject matter fits to my interests or I look at videos out of simple curiosity knowing that even when I don’t like the video I still try to find something to learn from it. If all else fails I just stop watching it, without regrets, knowing that I’m actually curating my feed by cutting the video short, this lets the algorithm know I didn’t like the video. I’ve never seen his videos but I recognized the tech that’s why I’m here.
It's a myth, meshtastic doesn't work in the woods, so if your in the desert, you might be in luck but if there's trees or mountains, your better off using a messenger pigeon
No, this one "plugs" into a network of all other devices that do this and sends the packets over it. You don't have to be close to the other node, they don't even have to connect to each other. They just have to "see" somebody else in the meshtastic network. It's basically the internet, but off the internet. Using a different technology which has soooooo much more range than wi-fi, but it's super slow because of it. Great for text, or sensors sending data. You can also install a more powerful version of this on your roof and basically become a "cell tower" for people near you, to give back to the community
@@FAB1150 So as soon as everyone gets one of these it'll be useful. Until then it's a walki-talki. Also, it doesn't do voice as far as I can see, and definitely isn't doing web browsing of any kind, which is one of the main things people use their phones for at this point. So it's a shitty beeper at this point with no one using it.
Yeah.. without a massive coverage i can't see this competing with anything. Like someone already commented - this technology should be implemented into an actual phone device and not the separate device, it should also work as a hotspot to provide mesh infrastructure with phones nearby which do not have this technology. The security risk is massive, every connection should be encrypted and terminated if another device intercepts it.
@@joshuachubb9397 I don't think control is the right term for this. Its only partially about being semi anonymous and more about independent infrastructure which works without the need of infrastructure from some service provider. If being able to use your phone and communicate with people is what you need, then you can just use existing services and it's fine. More so if frequencies can be easily intercepted by the third party, then you have same or even less amount of control for your anonymity. So what we are left with is the cost. If you are planing to use it on your isolated from the world farm walkie-talkie might be cheaper option.
For national parks, assuming that a mesh like service coverage area could be made for it for continuous service, these could hypothetically solve some issues for the campers in that area if they need to get in contact with emergency services, or even the forestry service wanting to talk amongst themselves. That being said, there have been no videos to suggest these can function that way.
Seems to be good technology for emergency situations. I live in New Orleans, La where we have frequent cell outtages during hurricane season and festivals like Mardi Gras. Maybe even good for off grid living/ tech homesteading/ compound living.
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10km is nothing, I guess you never heard of Motorola 35 mile walkie talkies.....56.32 km. They're about 100.00 for a pair, multichannel, multi frequency, etc etc.
This is how excited Id be to play with toy walkie talkies. As a kid, hype af. Nothing compared to the power of phones though. Phones control our way of life. Its more than just calls and texts lol.
@joshuachubb9397 yeah Phones are definitely a double edged sword. It's nice to fantasize about the way of life before they blew into the forefront of our very existence, but I think it's unrealistic to speculate a world without them anymore. At least in the modernized societies, we've grown so dependent on the constant stimulation, it's difficult to imagine that people in today's age would let that technology go, as nice as it is to wish for at times for the sake of our community and even sanity
The biggest fear factor isn't the phones themselves but the minds behind the engineering companies, producing hardware and software to consume our humanity for the sake of short lived pleasure. We put so much energy into this digital life that when we try to engage in our physical reality, there's minimal interest from most involved in the digital dystopia. There will come resolution but I'm not sure how or whether it will happen in our lifetime.
Being a Meshtastic user myself, i believe it is overated. You are limited by the number of nodes and your recipient need a node themselves. The range is not as good, also. Sure you can upgrade your antenna, later on the battery, tinker a lot for what? One text message. Please stop these videos, i thibk you're overstating the Meshtastic network ...
to right gives it a bad name makes it into a joke sound like the compression is not its use case i was thinking a grate way to communicating with smart Nodes withe no need for internet connection
so? do you really constant communication if cell service goes down? you just keep about with your day until they're back up. Unless you're on an expedition where cell service doesnt exist, in which case, get a fucking walkie talkie. They're a fraction of the price, have batteries that can be swapped, and don't rely on the function of another device to be useful.
Pretty cool reuse for 900 mHz frequencies. I'd like to see signal tests of the unit outside the carbon fiber printed case. Carbon fiber can affect the capability of the antenna to send and receive.
In emergency situations, handheld radios like GMRS, ham, and CB radios are far more reliable than enclosed mesh systems. These radios are robust, can survive EMPs, and don’t rely on any external infrastructure. In the event of an EMP, your smartphone and other modern electronics are likely to be fried, but handheld radios, especially when turned off, are much less likely to be affected. While the Meshtastic device may offer encrypted communication, in a real emergency, you want to be in communication with as many people as possible. The Meshtastic device is essentially a glorified enclosed mesh system, and similar functionality can be found in free apps available on app stores. For serious emergency preparedness, traditional handheld radios are the way to go.
@@ValTek_Armory and the network falls over if too many people connect as the same messages get repeated by everyone in the node they bounce around like Pachinko balls
Imagine this in reverse. So we’ve picked up this device today. It can text, make calls, do video, browse the internet, call anyone anywhere in the world, and you don’t need line of sight. I dunno…. Seems like phones win.
@@pauls5745 it’s not as if you can’t listen in on radio transmissions, likely more easily. Encryption solves this. Encryption exists on both devices. Not saying you can’t use these radios for specific use cases, but it’s hard to see how you escape from the sheer utility of a phone, which already saturated the market.
Incorporating SDR with laser links is next. It would be a great experiment for cities beaming information to your neighbor. Use solar panels for a laser receiver.
Why would you want to regress technology. Your phone can do more than this. A walkie talkie can do more than this. What's the point? You couldn't even text your spouse when you're at work unless you work right down the street from your house.
It's not going to replace cell phones but I can see where it would be usable. Such as group communication if you are in the middle of the woods camping or if multiple cars are traveling down a secluded highway. The range of these devices is going to be limited by the antenna. It's like ham radio. The better the antenna the longer the communication. A roof or pole-mounted external antenna with db gain should drastically improve the range of this device. So you can have one device at the house with a roof-mounted antenna and then a second device in your car with a nmo style antenna mounted on the roof of the car. I wonder how many "fars" they could talk to each other. Personally I have not used the 900mhz band for direct radio to radio communication but where I live a lot of public safety agencies use the state-wide VIPER radio system. It's mostly 800mhz range and it does great as long as the user is not too far away from a VIPER tower. The 800mhz portables transmit on 3 watts of power and have a few miles of range and our mobile (vehicle-mounted) radios have 35 watts of power and can go 20-40 miles. I am glad to see communication technology that is innovating like this one. If these little "radios" can be connected to cell towers and use them in like a daisy chain these devices would be absolutely amazing. Thank you for posting about these. I would love to see some real-world range testing performed.
10km is nothing, I guess you never heard of Motorola 35 mile walkie talkies.....56.32 km. They're about 100.00 for a pair, multichannel, multi frequency, etc etc.
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10km is nothing, I guess you never heard of Motorola 35 mile walkie talkies.....56.32 km. They're about 100.00 for a pair, multichannel, multi frequency, etc etc.
In the early 2000's they said mesh networking was going to eliminate cell towers and give free Internet to everybody, that was 24 years ago and I'm still waiting. Lora has very limited bandwidth, it can send information such large distances because the data is slimmed down. It's useful for getting sensor data from the top of a mountain, but you'll never be able to make a call on it.
It's good and all but it's still limited to line of sight and because of that the range is still fairly short. Plus it's using 915 antenna, would be good to have it swappable for compliance to different regions
certainly has some niche use cases but as mentioned by many others , not going to effect phone companies. I did think of use cases like search and rescue in areas with low/no cel signal so could be used in addition to walkie talkies. For example , different search pods looking in different areas, one pod with a doctor and another pod finds the target who is injured - they can explain things via walkie talkies but it isnt always clear, text messages are clearer and you could also send photos to help diagnose things. Or another use case is in areas with high cel saturation , like at sports events / festivals - security and stewards could be provided with these to ensure stable communications. Niche uses, but useful
This is a great solution for the masses in one party/autocratic countries (i.e. China, Bangladesh, Iran) where communications are heavily controlled by the government.
This honestly makes the most sense for a total grid down scenario. I don’t see any benefit to this otherwise. You would need one of these nodes every so often in a circular area to make it worth any value outside a set of long range walkie talkies, or even a CB/HAM radio truthfully.
These type devices are designed for line of sight to get the full coverage claims. Take the range of whatever it is you’re using then divide it in half to be realistic if you’re in a clear flat space like a giant meadow. So 10km is about 6 miles cut that in half to 5km and 3 miles. Then divide that into 4 and that’s how far the range is with buildings. So just a little more than 3/4 of a mile range. That’s accurate.
Ok now picture this, the phone you have has a built in walkie talky for calling and the LoRa network for texting built in. The phones have a built in relay system for passthrough messages but only saves the messages that comes from friends and family that you added to your contacts. It feels seamless to the user to use. Then your communications can be divided into local and global. global being cellular and data. Local with walkie talky networks a LoRa. The walky talky network could also be configured over a hidden secondary LoRa connection just to pack the call into a non interference encrypted digital connection. Looking at the secondary LoRa connection would just look like a bunch of computer code if placed in the primary LoRa texting app.
LoRA /Wan is a different radio spectrum and power output. Building it into the phone may be possible, as it would work like Satellite connections, a separate software/hardware to normal cellular traffic. It needs bluetooth, a battery, and two antennas. Putting this into a smaller container would defeat the purpose as the antenna (and battery) needs to be large to make it efficient over distances. Sending a photo over LoRA would be difficult. URLs and web links, not that difficult. GPS updates, links, yes. So it can be used to send tracking or other things. Remote sensors. Temps. Motion. Locations. keystrokes. etc. It can also sync between apps, add new people via invites or in-person authorisation QR codes, et al. So you don't have strangers on the same chat group. it works over miles, because it's repeating/meshing what's already on the same radio, rebroadcasting to make it louder, sic. It also can't bill or track users with an ID, so if you drop out of the network, it can't store messages or forward them over LAN/WiFi or SMS/GSM/4G/5G networks. Unless you build that into the program you use, to give you an ID to contact with, i.e. using LoRAWAN to relay messages. It's a bit like a wide-area bluetooth. When you disconnect, it won't really help find you again. If the network mesh drops out, you have to start over.
If this could be used without the cell phone assistance i would be on board. I still might give it a try honestly, so I can be in the loop when the technology develops.
Let’s be real here, this won’t replace strategically positioned phone towers. However, I see great potential here for Festival and outdoor adventure communication within a group of friends which is almost always a problem. I’ll definitely keep an eye on that :)
This is a very interesting device/ technology. I think it could actually be a potentially useful tool for my family as we travel a lot out of county, and out of urban areas. the though of a portable network system is really exciting...
Interesting technology that could be very useful in certain situations but I would be amiss if I didn't point out that with the requirements It needs to work, it sounds like that device would work perfectly in a 15 minute city until the government doesn't want it to.
I am sure there is no danger from radiation, toting around a mini cell tower, they are working on mini Nuke reactors too, we will be glowing here soon.
Can i use this to make a phone call to a POTS network? Its neat if its a separate, private network, but not very useful if it isnt interoperable with existing infrastructure.
I was hopeful for 0.2 seconds. My cell provider sucks but its pretty much the only option I have. I was hoping to be able to have a device that would allow me to call/text anyone I wanted without issues. But still to this day. It seems like that is a dream. I can browse the web, internet just fine. But making a call on a cell phone outside of a wifi network, forget about it
Might as well subscribe if you are reading this
Lol. Nuh, I'll just dislike the video and any other clickbait trash you put out, simp.
The video is not clear on what this does or doesn't do, can it voice call, and watch youtube? If not, you should make that very clear and the video is misleading.
If the world ends and grid is down...we have bigger problems and im pretty sure this device is not going to help much.
Don't delete comments. Your video is clickbait trash, own it.
Dammit! Stop making me buy random awesome gadgets! lol
(keep up the great work, DS!)
A vape that can send text messages? That’s like every Zoomer’s dream device.
I feel like this could be a future video topic for Crazy Ken… I like being wrong though 😂
The catch is, it's not refillable lol
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I am 100% making that, and I'm adding speech to text; also text to speech for when people respond.
Should I integrate noise cancellation into the vape unit? There's a sentence you don't see every day lol but it's an opportunity for RISCV to create a tiny market slice, too small to even be niche but enough for a single dev to make some $$$ without paying asinine royalties to capital/investment management companies, which own all the really good commercial tools at this point.
funny enough they exist there's lots of vapes that run android and yes even disposables
This sounds like saying supermarkets are dying because anyone could produce tomatoes in their backyard 😂
It wouldn't be hard to get it off the ground. Just give out a hundred or so according to where they live, within, say, a city or county.
@dieselphiend my point is, for such a business critical service, you would want to expect some degree of central authority to impose a set of rules and, specially, a "good enough" availability service levels.
Hence, there would need to exist, at least, an enterprise grade mesh (which private users may end up prefering as well, due to better QoS)
Eventually, at least 1 private organization would be laying down these setups over countries, in order to ensure service coverage. Et voilà! You have ISPs again.
There are existing, and actually old, technologies to provide cheap service across small areas, such as Wi-Fi long range links, private cell phone repeaters... which a single individual could try and rig over his/her community.
Therefore. Why do we even need this? To use for simple messaging over some specific locked app/protocol which apparently does not support any sort of high bandwidth usages.
I see really niche usecase for this product. Basically, is sort of like a off-the-grid communication tool, only that you are still in a grid (some one else's), unless you crawl your way through this thing source code and actually have an isolated setup, if you are paranoid or a criminal.
Still, you could do the same (private network mesh) with existing technology in much simpler ways. Hence. Why?
french already did this. Take a look at their country side. Some supermarkets do exist but their main selling products are chemicals and products that you can't produce at home, majority of food is from local farmers. Quality food, similar price.
@@auguststas7770 Is there something like this in the US or North America?
@@Kazekoge101 meshtastic is open source hardware and software. You can make your own.
The beginning of the end of smartphones.
Step 1: connect your smartphone to the device.
Bonk! 😂
He didn't say smartphones, he said cell carriers like T-Mobile and Google fi.
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Okay, this isn't a threat to cell companies, but it is amazing technology. I can see all kinds of potential uses for it.
good for remote camping locations where you still might need to contact people at camp while you're out hiking or something
Exactly. There comes a point where peer to peer is not enough on its own and will have to be interconnected with a bigger system such as the internet, cellular service, satellite systems, or landline phone connections.
it has the potential to be a threat to cell companies if everyone had one
@@FrostCraftedMC but it is using low frequencies so only so much bandwidth it can have. If you wanted to send pictures or videos, you would have a hard time. If more people get on it, it will actually congest the network even more
Not to cell phone companies but to cell services providers 😉
If disposable vape manufacturers started including these LoRa chips in those new full color display vapes and gaming vapes we would have a robust national and possibly international wireless mesh network within days.
Just Do it!
You recreated the plot of silicon valley but with vapes
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Wireless wifi ejuice would be nice
0:03 "this is no ordinary communication device" thank god, and here i was thinking these were vapes /j
+1
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Oh man, wait till you hear about walkie talkies.
wow
Ham radio
I don't think walkie talkies are encrypted
@@cutty02you just have to talk in pig latin, duhhhh!
I have a set of Motorola walkies that par with your android to share GPS maps and whatever ekse they do I bought 5 years ago
"bro pass me that vape i saw it in your pocket"
Seriously I thought this was a joke lmao
So walkie talkies that you can't talk on.
I feel like my time was robbed.
A "phone killer" that can't make calls.... LMAO
HILARIOUS
Who calls these days? There's also WiFi calling if you need that face-time
@@jamess1787 not everyone is GEN-Zidiots , we call
Haha
@@jamess1787 you probably never had a meaningful job 😅
@@jamess1787 "Who calls these days?" I would say hundreds of millions worldwide. What I'm able to arrange by call in one minute, you will be typing like an ldiot half an hour.
He's taking a video of the "phone killer" with his phone 😂😂
Yeah he didn't script the introduction obviously, the correct wording was telecom company alternative. That's obviously what he means.
God I wish you would stop overselling the crap out of every product, project or video you cover/produce. It is tiresome and makes your content, which can be actually pretty entertaining/informative, hard to watch. So over the top every time, disingenuous and just plain tacky. Just be real man. People will love it. This click bait RUclips marketing brain is just getting shameful at this point. Just showcase what you've got, it's awesome without the fluff! You make good content! Let it stand on its own without the crap. You don't need it like others do!
Yes.
All he cares about is numbers, he even is saying so in the video. He is an algorithm b*tch :D
Facts !!!!!
gotta play the RUclips algorithm game to get noticed unfortunately.
It only bothers me when i fall for it by only watching what grabs my attention via thumbnail. I try not to let the “ phone killer “ algorithm nonsense be the reason I watch. I try to either watch videos from creators I already trust where the subject matter fits to my interests or I look at videos out of simple curiosity knowing that even when I don’t like the video I still try to find something to learn from it. If all else fails I just stop watching it, without regrets, knowing that I’m actually curating my feed by cutting the video short, this lets the algorithm know I didn’t like the video. I’ve never seen his videos but I recognized the tech that’s why I’m here.
this is a great way to stay connected in more remote areas but it wont replace a pocket sized laptop.
wow
Technically anything pocket sized can be placed on top of your lap
It's a myth, meshtastic doesn't work in the woods, so if your in the desert, you might be in luck but if there's trees or mountains, your better off using a messenger pigeon
Tfw you accidentally hit your wifi extender and get zooted
Omfg DED
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wow
Mega amps?. No, no, no, my friend. That is Milli Amp. 1000th of an amp, Not a million amps. That battery would be worth millions.
Thank you for confirming it most likely being milli amp, I'm super baked and confused with the mega amp thinking this is really high power gadget 😶🌫️
wow
@@Tokermon Batteries put out milliamps. Power plants put out mega amps.
@@forgeteverythingyouknow5413 yeah I gathered that from my vape and phone battery thanks!! 👍
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I like Helium’s implementation of Lorawan. Pay the host and incentivize them to do proper antenna placement. Connect to Wi-Fi/Ethernet.
Wow, they reinvented the radio walki-talki!
closer to HAM packet radio. i've been sending messages around the world that way with my Commodore 64 for years! 😀
Exactly
@@JimmPratti agree
No, this one "plugs" into a network of all other devices that do this and sends the packets over it. You don't have to be close to the other node, they don't even have to connect to each other. They just have to "see" somebody else in the meshtastic network.
It's basically the internet, but off the internet. Using a different technology which has soooooo much more range than wi-fi, but it's super slow because of it. Great for text, or sensors sending data.
You can also install a more powerful version of this on your roof and basically become a "cell tower" for people near you, to give back to the community
@@FAB1150 So as soon as everyone gets one of these it'll be useful. Until then it's a walki-talki.
Also, it doesn't do voice as far as I can see, and definitely isn't doing web browsing of any kind, which is one of the main things people use their phones for at this point.
So it's a shitty beeper at this point with no one using it.
MOM, THE TECHBROS REINVENTED WALKIE TALKIES AGAIN
Yeah.. without a massive coverage i can't see this competing with anything. Like someone already commented - this technology should be implemented into an actual phone device and not the separate device, it should also work as a hotspot to provide mesh infrastructure with phones nearby which do not have this technology. The security risk is massive, every connection should be encrypted and terminated if another device intercepts it.
They are assuming you want more control over your wireless communications not less.
@@joshuachubb9397 I don't think control is the right term for this. Its only partially about being semi anonymous and more about independent infrastructure which works without the need of infrastructure from some service provider. If being able to use your phone and communicate with people is what you need, then you can just use existing services and it's fine. More so if frequencies can be easily intercepted by the third party, then you have same or even less amount of control for your anonymity. So what we are left with is the cost. If you are planing to use it on your isolated from the world farm walkie-talkie might be cheaper option.
Imagine if every smartphone had a radio built-in that could do this ... LOL
technically your built-in GSM radio can be used for 900 mhz LORAWAN communication but the vendors have the baseband processor completely locked down
Wow! A portable repeater! Wow! Wow! Wow!! There's NEVER a MESH technology out in the market UNTIL NOW!
wow
Wow
Wow
Imagine if cell phone manufacturers included a LoRa radio on their phones...
wow
For national parks, assuming that a mesh like service coverage area could be made for it for continuous service, these could hypothetically solve some issues for the campers in that area if they need to get in contact with emergency services, or even the forestry service wanting to talk amongst themselves.
That being said, there have been no videos to suggest these can function that way.
Nah, commercial land mobile radio fills that void in VHF, UHF, and 800 band widths.
Hell even CB radio works better probably to be honest.
Boy, that is a head-turner. I gotta say, this is design chef's kiss.
I feel like this technology has been around for decades but we're just now being allowed to use it.
I concur....
If you know about it, it's 20+ years old.
like every other technology.
pictochat?????
DARPA has had EVERY bit of tech we use for about 40 years before it reaches us ..
Seems to be good technology for emergency situations. I live in New Orleans, La where we have frequent cell outtages during hurricane season and festivals like Mardi Gras. Maybe even good for off grid living/ tech homesteading/ compound living.
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At least "freedom" seems to be showing promise in becoming more "free" in some ways.
I be interested to see how all the communication device makers go for sales once we all are fused with tech capable of all the functionality that is usually what the external phones offer.
Feeling this happening in my lifetime, and i dare say, in the blink of an 👁🫢
10km is nothing, I guess you never heard of Motorola 35 mile walkie talkies.....56.32 km. They're about 100.00 for a pair, multichannel, multi frequency, etc etc.
Says the person who capitalizes every single word.
@@bits360wastaken Now Why Does That Trigger "YOU"?
This is how excited Id be to play with toy walkie talkies. As a kid, hype af. Nothing compared to the power of phones though. Phones control our way of life. Its more than just calls and texts lol.
Next question. Should phones be controlling our way of life? If yes, then continue. If no, then maybe let's take this step away from them?
@joshuachubb9397 yeah Phones are definitely a double edged sword. It's nice to fantasize about the way of life before they blew into the forefront of our very existence, but I think it's unrealistic to speculate a world without them anymore. At least in the modernized societies, we've grown so dependent on the constant stimulation, it's difficult to imagine that people in today's age would let that technology go, as nice as it is to wish for at times for the sake of our community and even sanity
The biggest fear factor isn't the phones themselves but the minds behind the engineering companies, producing hardware and software to consume our humanity for the sake of short lived pleasure. We put so much energy into this digital life that when we try to engage in our physical reality, there's minimal interest from most involved in the digital dystopia. There will come resolution but I'm not sure how or whether it will happen in our lifetime.
@@johnbolieau4227 It's really not a big deal to step away from the phone/computer for the better part of a day. Try it.
Being a Meshtastic user myself, i believe it is overated. You are limited by the number of nodes and your recipient need a node themselves. The range is not as good, also. Sure you can upgrade your antenna, later on the battery, tinker a lot for what? One text message. Please stop these videos, i thibk you're overstating the Meshtastic network ...
Imagine 10% of phone users had one though..
@@ZED-PV but they dont. why would they when they already have a phone?
to right gives it a bad name makes it into a joke
sound like the compression is not its use case
i was thinking a grate way to communicating with smart Nodes withe no need for internet connection
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@@valasdarkholme6255 1.07 kbps long range
What flavor vape is that
black licorice
Grape 🍇
with this we are going to the old radio time😂
The people saying "it's not adequate technology" are the same people who don't have shit when they're cell service goes down, keep up the good work
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so? do you really constant communication if cell service goes down? you just keep about with your day until they're back up. Unless you're on an expedition where cell service doesnt exist, in which case, get a fucking walkie talkie. They're a fraction of the price, have batteries that can be swapped, and don't rely on the function of another device to be useful.
@unoriginalname3442 bro my family lives 215 miles north of me you're dense asf
Pretty cool reuse for 900 mHz frequencies. I'd like to see signal tests of the unit outside the carbon fiber printed case. Carbon fiber can affect the capability of the antenna to send and receive.
what do ya do, whistle with that vape? 😂
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I can definitely imagine people keeping this device in their FEMA kits, but beyond that, maybe campers might benefit from it.
Campers aren't techbros that try to reinvent the wheel; theyll use their walkie talkies that they've been using for decades without issue
I just came to see if anyone else thought this looks like a vape
If every smartphone comes with an internal LoRa antenna from factory (like Bluetooth for decades)... it could be very interesting!
There was a unit like this from a company called Beartooth a while back. They don't offer it anymore but neat idea
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In emergency situations, handheld radios like GMRS, ham, and CB radios are far more reliable than enclosed mesh systems. These radios are robust, can survive EMPs, and don’t rely on any external infrastructure. In the event of an EMP, your smartphone and other modern electronics are likely to be fried, but handheld radios, especially when turned off, are much less likely to be affected. While the Meshtastic device may offer encrypted communication, in a real emergency, you want to be in communication with as many people as possible. The Meshtastic device is essentially a glorified enclosed mesh system, and similar functionality can be found in free apps available on app stores. For serious emergency preparedness, traditional handheld radios are the way to go.
In my area (Metro Detroit) I never once was able to connect to another node. My meshtastic excitement went from 100 to 0 and my gear collects dust.
That is the problem with niche tech. If nobody adopts it, then it is effectively useless
@@ValTek_Armory and the network falls over if too many people connect as the same messages get repeated by everyone in the node they bounce around like Pachinko balls
Imagine this in reverse.
So we’ve picked up this device today. It can text, make calls, do video, browse the internet, call anyone anywhere in the world, and you don’t need line of sight.
I dunno…. Seems like phones win.
but phones need a biased 3rd party as a go between, ensure regulation and give up the ghost if the feds come knocking.
@@pauls5745 it’s not as if you can’t listen in on radio transmissions, likely more easily.
Encryption solves this. Encryption exists on both devices.
Not saying you can’t use these radios for specific use cases, but it’s hard to see how you escape from the sheer utility of a phone, which already saturated the market.
You need to change your thumbnail and title. It does not represent what the product does.
That’s how click bait works… draws you in falsely. He isn’t getting rid of his phone. 😅
What stops these devices from calling like traditional walkie-talkies? Is it the diminishing data transpher at longer ranges?
Incorporating SDR with laser links is next. It would be a great experiment for cities beaming information to your neighbor. Use solar panels for a laser receiver.
i messed around with laser links they kinda suck. directional microwave is better and cheaper
@@rabbitdrink But laser is more secure.
@@magnitudematrix2653 smoke or fog could reveal the beam, but both is safe if you aes encrypt your packets like you should
They should build it like a phone case you can clip on/off..no guy has room in his pocket for more stuff
If they can add a screen, sort of like how old pagers used to be, I'd be 4000% in
Yeah but old pagers are still way better than this thing is
I just looked pagers only cost $5 a year and they are text pagers anywhere in the world
Pager for factor with open network that tells you of other users are near by. That could be useful. I could see this being used for very bad purposes.
Why would you want to regress technology. Your phone can do more than this. A walkie talkie can do more than this. What's the point? You couldn't even text your spouse when you're at work unless you work right down the street from your house.
Pagers are even more useless. I don't know why anyone ever even used them. When would you need to text someone TWO miles away?
When you are range testing keep it upright. The cross polarization loss between a horizontal and vertical device is not to be disregarded
I couldn't bear to watch past the two-minute mark. The vocal fry is off the charts. 🤦🏽♂️
The Hunter wireless sprinklers interest me
Awsome, for just text...😂 wake me up when I can send VOICE!!!!!!!!
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That's what I was thinking it did according to the title! Carriers have nothing to worry about with a free text walkie talkie
Need to incorporate one in every smartphone!
4:00 mega ampere is crazy
A phone killer that needs a phone to work ..... very clever title.
Nice looking vape
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It's not going to replace cell phones but I can see where it would be usable. Such as group communication if you are in the middle of the woods camping or if multiple cars are traveling down a secluded highway. The range of these devices is going to be limited by the antenna. It's like ham radio. The better the antenna the longer the communication. A roof or pole-mounted external antenna with db gain should drastically improve the range of this device. So you can have one device at the house with a roof-mounted antenna and then a second device in your car with a nmo style antenna mounted on the roof of the car. I wonder how many "fars" they could talk to each other. Personally I have not used the 900mhz band for direct radio to radio communication but where I live a lot of public safety agencies use the state-wide VIPER radio system. It's mostly 800mhz range and it does great as long as the user is not too far away from a VIPER tower. The 800mhz portables transmit on 3 watts of power and have a few miles of range and our mobile (vehicle-mounted) radios have 35 watts of power and can go 20-40 miles. I am glad to see communication technology that is innovating like this one. If these little "radios" can be connected to cell towers and use them in like a daisy chain these devices would be absolutely amazing. Thank you for posting about these. I would love to see some real-world range testing performed.
10km is nothing, I guess you never heard of Motorola 35 mile walkie talkies.....56.32 km. They're about 100.00 for a pair, multichannel, multi frequency, etc etc.
I'm all for decentralized cell service. 😎🤖
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But it's not
It is indeed the end of the cell phone connection providers. It can cover quite an area !
WARNING!!
some of the developers/mods on the meshtastic discord are ban crazy. if you try to help people by awnsering their questions you will get banned.
Lovely Ban banners Fork Mestastic to be for freedom of speech and not Didel Bidel drones.
Not my experience.
This reminds me of the early days of usenet news. A public cell-based network for communities. Except this one is portable! Cool beans! 😎
why do i have a feeling this isnt gonna go far.
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It'll go about... 10km lmao. Useless
It's 3D printed with PLA CF. Dev on Reddit says not to expose them to 120+F heat . Leaving it in a car in summer is a no-go.
Okay I'm going to buy me one. I'm going to try it out and I'm let your guys know what's going on and how I feel about the device. This is The new wave 🌊 wave of technology thank you for the video and letting us know about this device. Everybody have a wonderful day. Thank you😊💯👋😎💪🇵🇷👍👍🍾✌️🆒🆗🏆
The tech isn't new. It's just packaged to sell now
Don't bother. Mestastic has some serious limitations.
10km is nothing, I guess you never heard of Motorola 35 mile walkie talkies.....56.32 km. They're about 100.00 for a pair, multichannel, multi frequency, etc etc.
In the early 2000's they said mesh networking was going to eliminate cell towers and give free Internet to everybody, that was 24 years ago and I'm still waiting. Lora has very limited bandwidth, it can send information such large distances because the data is slimmed down. It's useful for getting sensor data from the top of a mountain, but you'll never be able to make a call on it.
Walkie talkies already exist
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This is the second new product I've seen this week where someone invented a walkie talkie and told me it would overtake phones.
Looks like a vape lol
It's good and all but it's still limited to line of sight and because of that the range is still fairly short. Plus it's using 915 antenna, would be good to have it swappable for compliance to different regions
It is swappable. The antenna. The battery. The case. Even the board. Can find a lot on etsy, amazon, aliexpress etc
Not really, depending on how many people around you use it. You can communicate with any device in your mesh over multiple hops.
that's why it's a mesh
certainly has some niche use cases but as mentioned by many others , not going to effect phone companies. I did think of use cases like search and rescue in areas with low/no cel signal so could be used in addition to walkie talkies. For example , different search pods looking in different areas, one pod with a doctor and another pod finds the target who is injured - they can explain things via walkie talkies but it isnt always clear, text messages are clearer and you could also send photos to help diagnose things. Or another use case is in areas with high cel saturation , like at sports events / festivals - security and stewards could be provided with these to ensure stable communications. Niche uses, but useful
This is a great solution for the masses in one party/autocratic countries (i.e. China, Bangladesh, Iran) where communications are heavily controlled by the government.
Been waiting for this for years. Niiice. So much can be done with this.
This honestly makes the most sense for a total grid down scenario. I don’t see any benefit to this otherwise. You would need one of these nodes every so often in a circular area to make it worth any value outside a set of long range walkie talkies, or even a CB/HAM radio truthfully.
Elevated position and line of sight. So what happens when you’re in the subway and the other person is on the other side of the mountain?
Probably won’t work with that small antenna
I wouldn't log on to my bank account with this
It's NOT FOR THAT PURPOSE.
@@gilmoreskeen1234We know. It was either a joke or Sarcastic. Even i got that part
😂 you are funny! How is this going to replace my smart phone. Can I have all my apps in it? Can I make a call? Don’t be ridiculous.
These type devices are designed for line of sight to get the full coverage claims. Take the range of whatever it is you’re using then divide it in half to be realistic if you’re in a clear flat space like a giant meadow. So 10km is about 6 miles cut that in half to 5km and 3 miles. Then divide that into 4 and that’s how far the range is with buildings. So just a little more than 3/4 of a mile range. That’s accurate.
Ok now picture this, the phone you have has a built in walkie talky for calling and the LoRa network for texting built in. The phones have a built in relay system for passthrough messages but only saves the messages that comes from friends and family that you added to your contacts. It feels seamless to the user to use. Then your communications can be divided into local and global. global being cellular and data. Local with walkie talky networks a LoRa. The walky talky network could also be configured over a hidden secondary LoRa connection just to pack the call into a non interference encrypted digital connection. Looking at the secondary LoRa connection would just look like a bunch of computer code if placed in the primary LoRa texting app.
"No, no, no, no, no, this sucker's electrical, but I need a nuclear reaction to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity I need."- Doc Brown
If only they made a Simcard that allows the same with your phones. Would be perfect for dual Sim phones.
LoRA /Wan is a different radio spectrum and power output.
Building it into the phone may be possible, as it would work like Satellite connections, a separate software/hardware to normal cellular traffic.
It needs bluetooth, a battery, and two antennas. Putting this into a smaller container would defeat the purpose as the antenna (and battery) needs to be large to make it efficient over distances.
Sending a photo over LoRA would be difficult. URLs and web links, not that difficult. GPS updates, links, yes. So it can be used to send tracking or other things. Remote sensors. Temps. Motion. Locations. keystrokes. etc.
It can also sync between apps, add new people via invites or in-person authorisation QR codes, et al. So you don't have strangers on the same chat group.
it works over miles, because it's repeating/meshing what's already on the same radio, rebroadcasting to make it louder, sic.
It also can't bill or track users with an ID, so if you drop out of the network, it can't store messages or forward them over LAN/WiFi or SMS/GSM/4G/5G networks. Unless you build that into the program you use, to give you an ID to contact with, i.e. using LoRAWAN to relay messages.
It's a bit like a wide-area bluetooth. When you disconnect, it won't really help find you again. If the network mesh drops out, you have to start over.
It's like something you can talk in while walking or maybe even the reverse: talk and walk.
I thought it might’ve been a jammer or something lol. Boy, this could end those cell phones alright.
Oh my gosh, The Four Ambassadors make a featured appearance! I used to live in one of those buildings. Fantastic location!
If this could be used without the cell phone assistance i would be on board. I still might give it a try honestly, so I can be in the loop when the technology develops.
Most places dont have buildings going that high
Let’s be real here, this won’t replace strategically positioned phone towers. However, I see great potential here for Festival and outdoor adventure communication within a group of friends which is almost always a problem. I’ll definitely keep an eye on that :)
This is a very interesting device/ technology. I think it could actually be a potentially useful tool for my family as we travel a lot out of county, and out of urban areas. the though of a portable network system is really exciting...
You can use these to connect to CalTopo and ATAK. You can share your location, routes, and other info with others.
Interesting technology that could be very useful in certain situations but I would be amiss if I didn't point out that with the requirements It needs to work, it sounds like that device would work perfectly in a 15 minute city until the government doesn't want it to.
I am sure there is no danger from radiation, toting around a mini cell tower, they are working on mini Nuke reactors too, we will be glowing here soon.
Thats a beauriful view of biscayne bay. Im really looking forward to use it on my long trips
This would be great for a "15 minute city" or not.
Thanks for the nap.
Lemme get some of that 1800 mega amperes battery plz 😂😂
Network congestion is definitely a thing with meshtastic.
Can i use this to make a phone call to a POTS network? Its neat if its a separate, private network, but not very useful if it isnt interoperable with existing infrastructure.
I was hopeful for 0.2 seconds. My cell provider sucks but its pretty much the only option I have. I was hoping to be able to have a device that would allow me to call/text anyone I wanted without issues. But still to this day. It seems like that is a dream. I can browse the web, internet just fine. But making a call on a cell phone outside of a wifi network, forget about it
Only a threat to Police trying to stop drug dealers, this is just the new Nextel chirp phome😂
probably useful for a private home/office network to connect IOT seamlessly, its more of a threat to wifi mesh/wifi controller based networks
Nothing like hitting the magic smoke flauvored vape
Okay, i did not understand most of what you said, but i am intrigued, so i will check it out for awhile.
Literally need a smartphone to use the thing.