The History of Vauxhall: Part 2

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  • Опубликовано: 9 янв 2025

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  • @jackjacko8706
    @jackjacko8706 5 лет назад +4

    I owned two 1965 Cresta’s. Great cars, that in Australia the GMH Holden couldn’t compete with. So they stopped selling them. This story has glossed over the 6 cylinder Velox’s and Cresta’s with hardly a mention. But they were the mainstay of a large family car for the fifties and sixties.

  • @williamegler8771
    @williamegler8771 2 года назад +4

    This video just shows how the British can spin facts in their favor.
    The last complete vehicle devolped by Vauxhall was the original Viva.
    Vauxhall has just been a marketing division selling rebadged Opel's or models from other GM divisions for decades.

  • @daytriker
    @daytriker 5 лет назад +2

    Grew up with a '58 or so Victor Estate, then a neighbour had a Velox. Came to Canada & friends Dad had a Cresta 4 door with the Bar Graph Speedo. Shame they didn't even get a mention as I would have thought they were an important part of Vauxhall history.

  • @davedebang-bang6168
    @davedebang-bang6168 6 лет назад +3

    I had an old boyfriend who had the VX220. I loved driving that around. You just had to be careful when you came across speed humps lol. The power of the VX was instant and exciting verging almost on the erotic. It had such a unique feel to it. I’ve also driven the lotus Elise and I preferred the VX and the calibra

    • @rutter1ify
      @rutter1ify 6 лет назад +1

      Bummer

    • @raycroal
      @raycroal 6 лет назад

      the vx was always rated the better car over the lotus by reviewers

  • @michaeltutty1540
    @michaeltutty1540 2 года назад

    This was a very interesting video. As a kid I was very familiar with Vauxhall saloons, even here in Canada. Ma had a 58 Velox (positively dreadful). A neighbour had a 59 Victor Super. Another neighbour had a Viva, and a cousin had a 60-something Velox. The 59 was the best of the bunch and was on the road well into the 1980s before it died of terminal rust. Ma's 58 managed to last all the way to 66. It was scrapped before it got a flat tire, because the rust was so terrible there was no way to change a tire!

  • @user-zn6zb2ot3z
    @user-zn6zb2ot3z Год назад +1

    No mention of the senator?

  • @tomforrest7814
    @tomforrest7814 8 лет назад +16

    4:36 wait haha go back first he said it produces 130 off bhp which is wrong it produces 145bhp and then he said its alright because it weighs less than 400kg hahahahaha less than 400kg? wow make that 875kg lol someone needs to read his script next time

    • @GRAHAMAUS
      @GRAHAMAUS 8 лет назад +2

      Yep, it's laughably bad. Full of mistakes in Pt1 as well - called a Viva a Victor, talked about a "Fiarenza". WTF?

    • @andisadler2897
      @andisadler2897 6 лет назад

      Hes a fookin idiot. Hes talking about the VX 220 145bhp n/a then added a turbo 200bhp changed name to Speedster then tuned to 220bhp. It weighed 930kg. 0-62 in 4.7 top speed 150mph. Flying machine. Z20LET engine and F23 Getrag box. Love the engine and the box, i got them in my car. engine can be played with in sooo many ways, excellent engine to work on.

    • @Parassassin
      @Parassassin 5 лет назад

      If there was a definition of carbores in the dictionary, there would be a screenshot of these comments 😂

  • @maltwhiskey1424
    @maltwhiskey1424 4 года назад +1

    And what about the Ventora, Victor, Firenza, Royale and even Ranger ? And the one we had .. the VX4/90 ?

  • @farmideas
    @farmideas 6 лет назад +1

    Did I hear 'Vectra'? Surely one to mention as a model used by taxis as well as fleets, and me as well - my 1.9 diesel saloon has done 240,000 without much going wrong and still gives 56mpg. Thought the details of Zafira were interesting.

  • @alzollinger1128
    @alzollinger1128 5 лет назад +1

    the VX220 weighs 1000kg no mention: all of them GM since 1925 and Vauxhall is a badge swap Opel since mid 1970s. A truly Royal tradition: remember George V's badge swap in July 1917?

  • @redbank493
    @redbank493 5 лет назад

    I used to work for 2 different Vauxhall dealers in the 1970’s. Where is the Victor and Cresta in this? They were very stylish cars. The Cavaliers were Holden Commodore’s in Oz

  • @johnnyfannucci
    @johnnyfannucci 4 года назад

    I had a 3.3 Ventora back in the late 70’s

  • @holmbjerg
    @holmbjerg 6 лет назад +11

    No mention that Vauxhall basically became Opel in the UK?

    • @louisbeerreviews8964
      @louisbeerreviews8964 6 лет назад +2

      holmbjerg no Vauxhall is uk Opel is Europe dumb

    • @rutter1ify
      @rutter1ify 6 лет назад

      @@louisbeerreviews8964 💯👍

    • @bascranmurali5462
      @bascranmurali5462 5 лет назад

      Both of them are under General Motor.

    • @kevinmanns7170
      @kevinmanns7170 5 лет назад +1

      @@bascranmurali5462
      Not anymore, now they're owned by the French PSA group ( Peugeot/Citroen), and have basically become badge engineered Peugeots. Once they close Ellesmere Port and move production back to France due to Brexit, there won't be any Vauxhalls at all. A total tragedy.

  • @christophernewman627
    @christophernewman627 6 лет назад +6

    What about Vauxhall’s Corsa and nova

  • @andisadler2897
    @andisadler2897 6 лет назад +1

    they brought out a turbo charged VX 220 that made 200bhp. also in 2004 tuned them again to 220bhp and named them Speedster. Z20LET engines.......grrrrrreeeaaatttt alongside the F23 gearbox.

  • @davedebang-bang6168
    @davedebang-bang6168 6 лет назад

    My brother had the lotus Carlton. It was a fantastic car and really really shifted but was very comfortable. After then he went to a calibra

    • @raycroal
      @raycroal 6 лет назад +2

      what a fall

    • @StuartOliver83
      @StuartOliver83 4 года назад

      Should've kept the Carlton lol £100.000 now most likely

  • @eamonryan2198
    @eamonryan2198 6 лет назад +6

    He didn't say anything about the tie up with Opel. The Vauxhall Cavalier was a rebadged Opel Ascona, and the coupe version was the Opel Manta. Now with the sale of Opel/ Vauxhall to PSA it looks like Vauxhall's days are numbered.

    • @plottwist1733
      @plottwist1733 6 лет назад

      I wonder what will become of Vauxhall after Brexit. I'd be interested to see what they'd come up with if they started designing their own cars again instead of just rebadging Opels, but I doubt that will ever happen.

    • @raycroal
      @raycroal 6 лет назад

      @@plottwist1733 yeah but what if they become rehashed peugeots that might be a bad thing

    • @plottwist1733
      @plottwist1733 6 лет назад +1

      @@raycroal That would be bad. Very bad.

    • @obelic71
      @obelic71 5 лет назад

      @@plottwist1733 PSA is not stupid!
      Opel & Vauxhall are making money again.
      Vauxhalls are RHD Opels.
      I have a gutt feeling that PSA will concentrate their RHD PSA car production in the UK.

    • @kevinmanns7170
      @kevinmanns7170 5 лет назад

      @@obelic71
      You're being foolishly optimistic there, post Brexit that's IT for Vauxhall. PSA only bought them for their production facilities to increase their own capacity. The writing is already on the wall.

  • @MarkAtkin
    @MarkAtkin 6 лет назад

    At 0:18 he is off to a bad start. The Chevette did not replace the Viva. The Viva continued alongside the Chevette until it was replaced by the Astra.

    • @MarkAtkin
      @MarkAtkin 6 лет назад

      And then it gets worse! He says the Cavalier was one of the most succesful cars of the 1970s. The next sentence starts with "After the lean years of the 70s", accompanied by pictures from the 1960s.

    • @vernonmatthews181
      @vernonmatthews181 3 года назад

      No mention of the Thatcher years, as least so far.😎

  • @GenaFrog
    @GenaFrog 7 лет назад +3

    Nova saloon or coupe? Thought it was just a basic boxy hatchback? I always wanted a white Nova saloon as a kid and used to say I wanted one when I learnt to drive, never had one tho

    • @pauldavies5199
      @pauldavies5199 7 лет назад

      Gena F I learned to drive in a 1.5 TD Nova in ‘95. Think it was on a K plate. Loved that car

    • @andisadler2897
      @andisadler2897 6 лет назад

      GTE! Car thiefs christmas come early.

    • @raycroal
      @raycroal 6 лет назад

      there was a saloon

  • @StuartOliver83
    @StuartOliver83 4 года назад

    I love my 2.6 V6 omega,I prefer my E34 for quality but the omega is superb

  • @VauxhallVictorMan
    @VauxhallVictorMan 10 лет назад +12

    Did I miss the word "Victor"? The best selling Vauxhall of the 50's!
    Saw a few 101's and that was it. What a huge disappointment !!

    • @richardarcher3435
      @richardarcher3435 6 лет назад +1

      I totally agree VauxhallVictorMan. He's missed the most exciting Vauxhalls. The 101 is an absolute classic (only shown when talking about the Viva), as is the one in your graphic, and possibly the most famous and most beautifull of all Vauxhalls is surely the Cresta PA. I only watched the video to see what he had to say about those. He skipped over the most exciting period, the 60s, consequently I haven't watched this video.

    • @eskimojulie
      @eskimojulie 6 лет назад

      no mention of the velour either ?@@richardarcher3435

    • @richardarcher3435
      @richardarcher3435 6 лет назад +1

      When I Google 'Vauxhall Velour' I get car floor mats. Do you mean the Velox? I think that was just a cheaper version of the Cresta.

    • @eskimojulie
      @eskimojulie 6 лет назад

      Yes Richard exactly that, sorry its my spell checker . I learnt to drive in a victor fb with column change and later owned a victor 101, my father owned a velox just like the black one in the showroom that never got a mention in this video.

    • @amojak
      @amojak 6 лет назад

      he called the viva a victor in the first half around 9 mins in :D

  • @Panzerbeast
    @Panzerbeast 7 лет назад

    When is the Volkswagen Cavalier coming out?

  • @225M3RCR
    @225M3RCR 5 лет назад

    Looking back at the vx220 it was way ahead of its time in way of looks
    Think it would look up to date today to be honest
    Tell you What though it does not weigh 400kg like he said😂

  • @rosalieschischka4999
    @rosalieschischka4999 6 лет назад

    I owned a great OPEL Manta Coupe Holden based on them Ron N Z

  • @vanmust
    @vanmust 5 лет назад

    while the 60ies were the lean years for Vauxhal their equivalents in Europe broke records used as affortable family cars taxis company fleet of stationwagons etc

  • @RonWarner60
    @RonWarner60 3 года назад

    Wich is now VAUXHALL and wich is OPEL???

  • @claremartin5951
    @claremartin5951 10 лет назад +3

    By the way Clare is my wife. I am Steve

  • @asimiqbal7421
    @asimiqbal7421 5 лет назад +1

    If ever I want to buy a cheap and cheerful car always go for a Vauxhall

  • @alanh6994
    @alanh6994 6 лет назад +1

    The heading says the " history of Vauxhall."", But what about the Wyvern, Velox, and Cresta Type E from the 1950s; The Cresta and Velox PA from the late 1950s to early 1960s: The Cresta PB 2.6 & 3.3 from 1964 to 66; The F Victor; The FB, & FC victors through Most of the 1960s, The FD victors, VX4/90 and Ventora: the FE Victor. VX4/90, Ventora, through the 1970s.
    There was also no mention of the Viva GT, or Firenza models either.
    It seems that these were ignored by this item, as were the other post and pre war models.
    There was also no mention of where the name Vauxhall originated ( the Vauxhall Iron works), or that the company was bought by General Motors in the 1020s.
    If you entitle an item as being "The history" of a subject, surely it should include the COMPLETE history, not just a selection of it?

    • @1963sticky
      @1963sticky 6 лет назад +2

      err, watch part 1 mate !!!

    • @vernonmatthews181
      @vernonmatthews181 3 года назад +1

      Your so right, I don't think that the presenter ( or Vauxhall ) have any idea just how many territories that they exported to, or the alternate names they were branded under.😎👌👍

  • @luinesharpuines192
    @luinesharpuines192 5 лет назад +3

    Funny how the British still call Opel cars British cars. I mean how can you call a German badge swap Opel British ?

  • @v8valiant68
    @v8valiant68 6 лет назад +1

    Vauxhall is essentially Holden is essentially Chevrolet and not to mention Buick, Pontiac ect ect ect

    • @getz051
      @getz051 5 лет назад

      You got it all wrong, Vauxhall was Vauxhall and ither GM brands rebadged them as their's like the Viva which was sold in Australia as a Vauxhall Viva until the next model which vecame a Holden HB Torana and from there nearly all Holden's built were reworked Vauxhall from 1965 to 1979 and after that it was a mixture of Vauxhall's and Opel's when Holden released the 1978 VB Commodore which was a 1973 Opel and then changed back to using a Vauxhall in 1987 and releasing it in 1988 as a VN Commodore, Holden in the mid 90's revamped the Vauxhall and sold it as a VT Commodore 1997, a VX in 2001, VY in 2002 and last model of that body tge VZ til 2006. The next 2 models were supposed to have been Aussie designed as i haven't seen any Opel's that look close until they started using the Opel Insignia as the all New Holden Commodore which aren't a bad looking vehicle but sales here aren't doing well since GM USA shut the factory down in 2016 and as for all other rebadged Vauxhall's were sold as other GM brands like Chevrolet but have never seen any with Pontiac or Buick badges only rebadged as Chevrolet in Canada and the US and possibly South America

    • @v8valiant68
      @v8valiant68 5 лет назад

      @@getz051 still makes it a Holden

    • @getz051
      @getz051 5 лет назад

      @@v8valiant68 no never been a Holden, it's a Vauxhall, it may be a GM product, it is not made in Australia, it is made in England at the Vauxhall Factory, they were exported to Australia and then trucked ti Holden's Factory to have all badges, airbag and air con gas changed to meet Australian Standards and a Holden Compiance Plates added then sent to dealers as a Holden which it will never be as there is no such thing as a Holden, it's only a badge now which is used on the German GM, Opel Insignia, all Vauxhalls were and still are Vauxhall's and the last Vauxhall's to be badged a Holden were the British Built Vauxhall Calibra and Vauxhall Astra of the early 90's anything after that were all Opel's and Daewoo's which are Korean and German GM not US, Australian or English

    • @vernonmatthews181
      @vernonmatthews181 3 года назад +1

      Separate parts catalogues do exist for both HB Toranas & HB Viva's ( Envoy Epic's - Canada ), these catalogues don't count for anything now.
      Three quarters of the UK CKD HB kit would have contributed to Holdens little hb in 4 cylinder form, whilst Pruneau went on to develop the LC ( 69-71 ) & LJ ( 72 - 74 ) in swb form.
      In New Zealand, you could either buy CBU if you wealthy enough to import, or for the masses you had to wait for a CKD model as you could only buy them with overseas funds, remember post ww2.😎👍👌

  • @yellowgruts8340
    @yellowgruts8340 6 лет назад

    No mention of the Victor

  • @mrtry8982
    @mrtry8982 4 года назад +1

    I ❤️ u Vauxhall 🥲✊ 🇬🇧

  • @AbhiTek_
    @AbhiTek_ 7 лет назад

    What about the Vectra?

  • @aeroflopper
    @aeroflopper 4 года назад

    i always wondered why vx called there VX220 so and not a vx130.

  • @andyhillhouse9813
    @andyhillhouse9813 6 лет назад +3

    I've had 2. Buying a Vauxhall is like buying a toaster. Nothing to get excited about.

    • @johnny6476
      @johnny6476 6 лет назад

      The Ferrous Fisherman What would you consider exciting then?

    • @VEMANIS
      @VEMANIS 5 лет назад

      is the same with british crap cars...lol

    • @kevinmanns7170
      @kevinmanns7170 5 лет назад

      Bullshit, you've obviously never driven a Vauxhall Senator 24V. The Millennium Falcon of of the motoring world. The fastest toaster you've ever heard of !!

  • @andisadler2897
    @andisadler2897 6 лет назад

    Vauxhall Nova - 98 thefts per 10,000 in the 80s vehicles now thats staggering lol.

  • @themanwithabigsmileonhisfa9210
    @themanwithabigsmileonhisfa9210 9 лет назад +3

    Zafira?

  • @MrDaiseymay
    @MrDaiseymay 6 лет назад

    Between the two halfs, we are treated to an advert for Peugot

    • @saddoncarrs6963
      @saddoncarrs6963 6 лет назад +1

      Seems fair, Philip. Opel/Vauxhall are owned by Peugeot.

  • @amojak
    @amojak 6 лет назад

    no mention of the royale.. the ventora..

    • @raycroal
      @raycroal 6 лет назад +1

      now you're talking these are the vauxhalls i love the viscount and royale coupe or a monza ,cavaliear mk1 hatch i loved the early eighties opel senator i think that might be a royale saloon but not sure

  • @matthewgodwin3050
    @matthewgodwin3050 6 лет назад +1

    Talks about the Lotus Carlton whilst showing us the Vectra. Oops.

  • @sarahwebster8927
    @sarahwebster8927 6 лет назад +2

    We just glossing over Vauxhall’s 1980’s heyday?

    • @kensmith7230
      @kensmith7230 5 лет назад

      no mention of the mk2 cavalier the car that saved vauxhall from going bust in the 1980's

  • @sethdalton3413
    @sethdalton3413 2 дня назад

    The history of Vauxhall and no mention of the Victor???

  • @getz051
    @getz051 5 лет назад +1

    Crappy history lesson as it didn't show every model, no Cresta's from the 40's 50's and 60's, no Victor's of the 50's and 60's and then they took credit for Opel cars which are built in Germany

  • @andisadler2897
    @andisadler2897 6 лет назад +1

    He forgot to mention that Vauxhall in the 80s were the most stolen car in the uk. Astras,Belmonts,Cavaliers so easy to steal. Snap the ignition barrel off with a pipe and just turn the black plastic thing with screwdriver ....simple. Thank god there better now cause ive got one.

    • @kevinmanns7170
      @kevinmanns7170 5 лет назад

      Ah...the Belmont. I knew he'd missed out some classic Vauxhalls, but the Belmont wasn't one of them. Are there any left in 2019 ?

    • @vernonmatthews181
      @vernonmatthews181 3 года назад

      HC's were so easily broken into, HB / GT even easier.😎

    • @andisadler2897
      @andisadler2897 3 года назад

      @@vernonmatthews181 Easy bud. Pull plastic off around steering wheel then left with ignition barrel sticking out. Put scaffold pipe (around 12 inches)around it and snap it. Then use any flat edge screwdriver and away you go.

  • @rsmit2797
    @rsmit2797 6 лет назад +5

    400 Kg? Bollocks!

  • @mcmcolm
    @mcmcolm 3 года назад

    Is this Reverend Bob?

  • @Pmjs
    @Pmjs 2 года назад

    I had a Vauxhall Astra 2.0CDTI SRI Sports Tourer 2013 was much better than my Vxl Cavalier 1.6L 92K.

  • @dkoz8321
    @dkoz8321 Год назад

    I am confused. Chevette and Cavalier are American cars. Have I been deceived , in that both were Vauxhall cars rebadged to Chevrolet and assembled in US?

  • @anthonyperkins7556
    @anthonyperkins7556 2 года назад

    Since PSA Groupe took it over, and now Stellantis, it's just Peugeot Citroen bits with a Vauxhall badge slapped on.
    Nah the current Vauxhall range doesn't appeal to me, I prefer the previous GM model range of Vauxhall's, they offered a wide choice and lots of innovation that the current range just does not.

  • @desertbob6835
    @desertbob6835 5 лет назад

    Word across the pond is that GM is selling both Vauxhall and Opel. I smell Tata...again.

  • @benfranklin4111
    @benfranklin4111 6 лет назад

    niceeeee

  • @p4cks
    @p4cks 10 лет назад +5

    400kg??? haha as is!

  • @1974UTuber
    @1974UTuber 6 лет назад

    The Astra was rebadged as a Holden Astra in Australia and it was a load of rubbish here.
    The Nova was sold as a Holden Nova here and the car was rubbish. Not to mention it was a Toyota AE92 Corolla but with a GM motor in it that was pure rubbish.
    And the Zafira was sold here as a Holden Zafira and I dont think there is one of them left on the road. They all fell apart or rusted to bits

  • @Leylandman1
    @Leylandman1 6 лет назад +3

    This guy talks a load of bollocks. I was on the assembly line at Vauxhall in Ellesmere Port, from 1969 to 1976. The HC was not replaced in 1975. It went onto 1979.

    • @raycroal
      @raycroal 6 лет назад

      yeah you got w reg ones

    • @vernonmatthews181
      @vernonmatthews181 3 года назад +1

      In New Zealand, when the Magnum ceased production in 1977, we ceased importing CKD HC units ( Viva's) at the same time, whilst in the UK they continued till 79.
      Only the Chevette / CF / CF2 continued.
      😎👌👍

  • @claremartin5951
    @claremartin5951 10 лет назад +1

    Yeh????? 400 kgs?????.My Suzuki X7 in 1981 wasnt much lighter than that????I think he meant 1000kgs

    • @tomforrest7814
      @tomforrest7814 8 лет назад

      +clare martin yeah its 875kg he didnt read his script haha

    • @Cupat1
      @Cupat1 6 лет назад

      Your old X7 weighed 322lbs (146kg) so quite a bit lighter

  • @lesliebutton6586
    @lesliebutton6586 3 года назад

    You claim the Chevette was Britain's first hatchback???
    UTTER RUBBUSH!!!
    The Austin Maxi came out in 1969

  • @TORAKKA-wb5zf
    @TORAKKA-wb5zf 9 лет назад

    I WISHD ID HAD SOME DAY VAUXHALL CAVALIER.

    • @GenaFrog
      @GenaFrog 7 лет назад

      My dad owned a beautiful 1600gls Cavalier Sports Hatch, BTO 929T

  • @Pablo-sr2zx
    @Pablo-sr2zx 3 года назад

    The 80s and early 90s were the years for all cars then after that it seems to have went backwards

  • @petertelleus5862
    @petertelleus5862 5 лет назад

    Min morbror hade en
    Wauxhall wen tura
    Med svart tak
    Vinröd inuti 6 cylindrar bensin registrerad ffr999
    Göteborg Sverige
    Acmop telleus RUclips Sweden .

  • @46danz
    @46danz 6 лет назад

    The Viva was a piece of shit,other cars had oil changes with the viva you had to drop the engine which i did on many occasions. You could pick them up cheap because everyone hated them.

  • @paulmilsom1092
    @paulmilsom1092 2 года назад

    I got to the Meri a.. and lost all interest enough ..

  • @guitarfoundry
    @guitarfoundry 7 лет назад +4

    i can't come to terms with his ears..
    Vauxhalls are horrible...just horrible..the styling is only marginally less ugly than Fords of the era, but they are vile to drive and they always have the steering wheel off centre to the left..Everyone I've driven from the 90's onwards has the steering wheel off centre..then there's the sheer tedium of driving them..So boring...The Vectra was a pig..

    • @renburton1026
      @renburton1026 6 лет назад +1

      simon lloyd and the drivers of them are always utter shit as well, they’re still as bad today

    • @MrRohanThomas
      @MrRohanThomas 6 лет назад +2

      Firstly even top gear said that Vauxhall don't make ugly cars and in reliability Ford is utter shit, just search it on google, vauxhall came fourth in the Telegraph's top 20 brands for reliability

    • @NYChemicalRomance
      @NYChemicalRomance 6 лет назад +3

      Nearly as bad as your punctuation 😂😂😂

    • @Thorscauldron
      @Thorscauldron 6 лет назад

      At one point Vauxhall had a terrible reputation for rusting.

    • @StuartOliver83
      @StuartOliver83 4 года назад

      Oh dear you may trigger my OCD lol I'll have to go outside to check my steering wheel in the omega,,😳

  • @vx.calibre2901
    @vx.calibre2901 4 года назад

    well, sorry Vauxhall but until you learn how to build a gearbox, ill not be buying another.

    • @vernonmatthews181
      @vernonmatthews181 3 года назад

      In New Zealand, Fords out of Thailand have BIG problems.😎

  • @miniboys3459
    @miniboys3459 6 лет назад +1

    I hate Opel

    • @longbridgearchives7366
      @longbridgearchives7366 6 лет назад +1

      Mini Boys I agree vhaxhalls better

    • @MarkAtkin
      @MarkAtkin 6 лет назад +4

      Just swap the badges. That is the only difference.

    • @sarahwebster8927
      @sarahwebster8927 6 лет назад

      You’re in the wrong place then bud arnt ya, go n toss off your SU’s on your 1275.

  • @kerrydangerfield6528
    @kerrydangerfield6528 6 лет назад

    Fuckin scrap. All of em

    • @paulanderson79
      @paulanderson79 5 лет назад

      I'm not a fan either. The only one that grew on me was the face lifted MkIII Cavalier 2.5 V6.