Was there any logic to the Michael Penix Jr. Draft Pick by the Atlanta Falcons?
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i think mac jones should get 1 billion dollars
Cowboys could use a fresh face, he and Lance could make a new pro meta of a two headed monster at QB.
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Vikings fan here. A part of me understands what the Falcons did, Kirk is a great quarterback and the Falcons will never draft that high as long as Kirk plays for them. That would force them to extend Kirk every few years, unless they had the option to go to Penix. Smart move imo
That’s a good point
Especially since, after the NFL hands down the penalty for tampering - which will be lost draft picks - the Falcons knew they won’t have the draft capital to trade next season. I think that was their original plan - to take a 2025 QB - but that isn’t going to happen after the tampering. So they had to try to take their QB now…they simply won’t have the picks to take one in 2025.
The problem is, if that's the case, draft a high ceiling, raw, developmental QB. Penix is a pro-ready guy who would not benefit as much sitting on the bench. It doesn't make sense. If you don’t believe in Cousins health after the big injury, why sign him to the big bucks instead of just a 1/2 year deal?
Yes but they won’t need a QB as long as Kirk plays for them lol. This is like saying you should drive your new car to the dealership to buy a second car because without the first car you can’t drive to the dealership to buy the second one. Ignoring the fact you can only drive one car at a time so you don’t really need a second car when you already have one.
@@erikdayne5429 the only way they get a QB as talented as Penix is it they have a 2-3 win season after Kirk is gone. Those season get coaches and GMs fired. It would be more like having to walk everywhere for a year after you trade in your old car before you can get a new one. I'd rather have the second car ready in that case
I think you need to look at evidence of QBs sitting a year or more when they are drafted in the first round.
To me everything comes back to the giving Kirk 100m guaranteed. The moment you did that, *every* decision in your franchise for the next 3 years should be based around 'Assuming Kirk is healthy and plays well', because if he doesn't then you're screwed anyways. If you had a problem with accepting the risk of Kirk being injured or bad or old or the team caring more about 'sustainability' than going all-in, then why were you the team to make the decision to sign him in the first place? You could've had ANY defensive player you wanted, or a damn good offensive prospect, and instead you took a player who only helps if the most expensive player on your team is out of the picture, and will be at the end of his rookie contract even if everything does work out. People praise the Jordan Love situation but with how inflated the QB market is I wouldn't want to be the person who has to decide how much to pay him...
Stuff like this is exactly why middling teams get stuck in limbo forever.
Yeah it’s not about who they drafted it’s about who they didn’t draft. Like you said every defender was still on the board, plus plenty of good offensive players. As soon as Bears fans saw this pick they started celebrating because they knew it meant Rome Odunze had fallen to them at 9. If you’re gonna pay Kirk Cousins $100 million it would make sense to go all in and try to put the best team around him, drafting Penix doesn’t help with that.
I'm not mad it's insurance.. as a saints fan I think it's wise.. considering all the qbs we had to use when almost all of went down
The #8 overall pick is a pretty steep price to pay for insurance
Rodgers first year as a starter the packers drafted Brian Brohm in the second round and Matt Flynn I think in the 7th
The Packers have done a lot of dumb stuff, but 7th and 2nd round picks aren’t as valuable as 1:8
If they got Johnny Newton in the 2nd this pick would have looked WAY better... but they got a 3rd round talent instead of the 1st round player.
Maybe newton fell for a reason
i think the years of having a declining matt ryan; then marcus mariota, then desmond ritter influenced this decision. I also think losing picks for tampering, and next years draft class being weaker at QB also factored in drafting penix. i would have preferred to see them go for a super bowl instead.
Good points made
What if Kirk gets hurt? Then it's back to Taylor again! They can still go for the Superbowl with solid QB play! We were placed in a bad situation regarding the QB position because of the previous GM not getting a successor for Matt Ryan to mentor before leaving out the door!
It is a quarterback’s league these days. It was a good decision.
The only way that the Falcons move made sense is that they’re scared and they’d rather hedge to avoid anxiety about the future than make moves to win now.
It makes so much more sense and if you had explored the issue a bit more critically in depth, I think you’d realize the genius behind it.
You sign Kirk and draft Penix for a plethora of reasons:
It’s a bridge QB- the best you can get to *win now* which the team needs. Likely Kirk isn’t winning a Super Bowl but there’s benefits to being a winning team and not winning a Super Bowl for a couple of years.
It’s the future QB- the only way the Falcons can have long term success. Kirk’s deal is really a 2 year deal and for the last chance unless they to took a tank season, they have a chance to get a top 10 pick on a QB AND they believe in him.
It’s the cover- if the Falcons sign Minshew or Darnold, it’s obvious they’re drafting a QB giving another team the chance to jump them for Penix.
The main problem with the critiques of the pick that I see are that nobody is putting themselves in the GM chair and exploring the alternatives.
Not signing Kirk and you can’t win now, not taking Penix and they likely never get their guy which has alluded them since Matt Ryan left. There hasn’t even been a good QB the last couple of drafts at their slot.
I actually think it would have been dumb to a) win with a rookie QB who likely needs some nuanced work (mechanical, pro scheme; etc) to develop, or try and sign a Russ or Darnold type that are going to have them back at this same position next year.
Signing Kirk was the best chance to win this year and maybe next.
After this season, the Falcons won’t be able to get a guy in 2025 and probably will be picking too late to get a guy they love in 2026.
If your ass is on the line as a GM, this was the right decision. There’s even more reasons than those I listed, but that’s the start.
One thing I agree with you on… the only real question here is if you think McCarthy or Nix were better players to pick.
List of QBs the Falcons have had a chance to draft with a top 10 pick since TF has been there.
21. Justin fields Mac Jones
2nd round Kyle Trask
22. Pickett/Willis/Ridder
23. Will Levis
List of FA QBs TF has had a chance to get since he arrived in 21
Kirk Cousins
1. Baker Mayfield
2. Derek Carr
3. Gardner Minshew
4. Taylor Heinicke
5. Jameis Winston
6. Jimmy G
The best FA QB since 21. They thought no way an accurate, cannon arm and quick release QB with 4.4 speed would be available at 8. Then he fell into their Lap and everyone is mad.
In terms of strategy it feels somewhat questionable. Not that either the Cousins contract or Penix draft pick are bad in isolation but together they are somewhat puzzling.
However, the truth of the draft (and actually most subjects in life) is that great execution trumps great strategy. If Michael Penix becomes a great QB it simply won’t matter how good or bad the process of drafting him was. Basically, if their scouting was correct then hardly anything else matters.
the assistant gm said they thought penix would be gone by the time they had to pick and that in their entire tenure that was the 1st time they saw a qb they thought could be the guy. the moment he fell to them they took him and i don't blame them. FO thought penix would be gone before 8 which led to kirk. after horrible qb play for the past 2 years i wouldn't put it past that a cheap stop gap wasn't gonna convince arthur blank. they'll either look stupid and get fired or look like geniuses, only time will tell.
66 QB started nfl games last year …. But the way there are 32 teams in the nfl
Even if we agree to the argument that the Falcons are using, then it's still not smart. Love was young when he was drafted and Penix is old, Love is only a year older than Penix right now, Love was also a project QB, the kind you take and develop for a year or two, Penix is a polished prospect ready to play. But there was a prospect available that fits the "GB model" in 21 year old JJ McCarthy. So even if we're accepting this, then Penix was still the wrong pick.
Also the "GB model" (stupid name) has major drawbacks. GB used a first round pick on a player that would not contribute to winning during what turned out to be a 3 year super bowl window, a SB window that closed with no SB win.
Another is the cap takes major hits, GB is still not out from under Rodgers contract. So the team under Rodgers finals years was not as good as it could've been and this new team under Love is still not as good as it could be.
I have an argument they probably aren't gonna have a 1st round pick due to tampering so they're getting a qb now because they arent likely to get a decent one deep into next years draft. They likely already knew kirk isnt gonna be a good long term option and wanted to eventually draft a qb.
Saying dak or kirk, is closer to saints drafting jake haenar or raiders drafting aidan oconell, than this situation
Don't forget Russell Wilson beat out Matt Flynn his rookie year too
One last thing, since I'm a Packers fan and the "GB model" really bothers me. This model is not for winning Super Bowls, this is the ugly truth of this model. What it's for is stability with a "good enough" team, a team that wins the division and maybe a playoff game or two, a team that never finishes below .500. GB never goes all in and never will, this is why we only win the Super Bowl every 15 years or so.
I’m not saying you can’t criticize the Packers FO, because you can, but in terms of “the model” it’s hard for me to criticize.
Do you really think the difference between the Packers winning more SBs or not is a single 1st round pick invested like every 15 years?
Again, you don’t have to love their overall team assembly but their handling of the QB position appears to be best in class.
@@96RHE it's more then 1 pick. It's a high premium pick and cap hit on a player that isn't being played,where that money could be spent to go all on a SB. I get both points tho
If your ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl then paying a good qb Kirk cousins great money won’t get you their however I do think he the perfect qb to sit behind for 2 seasons and learn
Maybe they forecast the qbs in two years when cousins would be out aren't good so when they don't have to trade up take a guy.
They could of just another vet for cheap and draft someone who’s gonna start
It screws both Cousins and Penix to some extent at the benefit of the head office keeping the team above average to keep their jobs. If they were pushing for a SB they would have grabbed a pass rusher as their team has holes.
No it dosen't! Penix gets to learn from a solid vet for two years and the falcons can continue to build up the team so by year 3 Penix will be ready to roll all while Kirk still gets his 100 million in the first Two garenteed years! Kirk with the FA agent moves on offense should be enough to make a playoff run!
@@nicholasmallard2926 Whatever. Falcons will be mid. Enjoy.
There was logic but it was upside down, twisted, locked in a basement never to see the light of day. There was logic but it wasn’t very logical.
My biggest criticism is from a player's perspective that Cousins went to the Falcons because he wanted a long term commitment and they lured him to them then without telling him pulled the rug out and drafted Penix. Also from Penix's perspective he could have gone to a team who wanted to play him right away. Now he has to sit 3 years despite being ready to go. I heard an opinion that makes sense that the GM and coach hedge their bets so they would be there for the next 5 years to see how this plays out. Feel like a selfish move that is only going to create bad feelings for both QBs.
Long term commitment on a 35 year old QB who just recovered from a major injury? You'll get 3 years at most unless you're Tom Brady. Kirk's guaranteed money is done after 2 years. After that it's Penix's show.
Fair point
Shame he won’t be playing, if he had gone to the Raiders he would be a starter
Answer: no
This Penix stuff is funny. Do people even care about the falcons big board? Penix was #2 on their board behind Caleb. Falcons met with him in person, which internet GMs didn't.
Thank You! NFL Teams boards are alot different then the media's or fans mock drafts!
Doesn't kirt .C get hurt too
The Seahawks could have drafted a QB too
The same people killing the falcons now were praising the packers last season for developing Jordan love
Penix will be 32 when Cousins contract is up that's why ATL is getting shit
@@modestopimpin4549 huh??? He’s 23 now & will be 25 by the time cousins contract runs out of gtd money. Terrible troll by you just stop
@@llAGreenll bro Penix is literally 28 right now,do your homework kid
@@modestopimpin4549 yea ur not gonna gas light me loser lol sorry ass raiders foh
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It does as much as we can't believe it. It's just the contract that Cousins got makes it hard to believe. But it does makes sense... MPJ can be back up, learn from a vet Qb... If Cousins gets hurt, Falcons got another Qb to start. If Cousins contract ends or if he decides to retire, MPJ steps in. It's supposed to be a contigency plan, insurance policy
The logic behind it makes sense. It's just stupid because of the moves made beforehand