they met her during Sly Cooper in Holland? When she was trying to win flight contest and defeat the black knight, now she is black knight herself. Plot confusion.
How could they do this to her? If you remember back sly 3 they really cared about her, and because Bentley and the gang risked their lives to save her from a smart Alec pirate, she could tell in her heart they need her by their side, man I find it heartbreaking to see this happen to Bentley, if you knew who Penelope was in the 3rd game you could tell she would never do this to him. She really loved him and wanted to stay with Bentley forever. If there's ever a 5th sly cooper game, I hope she returns to the good side, because this ain't her never was never will be. Think about it, if darth Vader one of the greatest movie villains can return to the good side. So can any fictional character.
optimusN64 I still wouldn’t trust her plus she was the Black Baron! You can’t trust her once oh ever, she tried to kill Sly, and I’ve played every sly cooper game.
Love that bit of Bentley fighting his personal demons. With Clockwork being responsible for his legs (because of his body being involved in that event) and Penelope for what was just established.
@@cindynoh8394 clockwerk was close to returning. If any longer she remained in clockwerks head, she would have turned full cloclwerk. It's supported by the lines she says in the end fight
I have no idea why they made penelope the traitor here. In sly 3, she wasnt not like the penelope on sly 4. She showed kindness, and also in the pirates episode, she fought lefwee for the cooper gang and yet she left the gang to rule the world and stuff. She NEVER showed that kind of personality in sly 3. It would be better off if the creators of the sly series didn't make the part of penelope's betrayal.
I wouldn't call it a betrayal. The gang had been disbanded for a long, long time. She no longer held feelings for the gang, but rather her husband/boyfriend, Bentley. Then, when her lover openly mocks her and basically says that he cares more for the gang than for her, she snaps and lashes out at him.
Well I kinda wanna say she was kidnapped by la paradox. Why she did what he said? ms. Decimal theory with decimal's hypnotic ability's think about it. La paradox most likely had penolope hypnotized to do his bidding I mean it makes sense & ties in with the penolope post card reference in the credits
Jeremiah D you know, that is a good hypothesis. Maybe that's why she was on Le Paradox's side. I think it makes more sense if that actually happened. ( I replied too late XD )
+Scrooge fanlol Thanks I feel smarter than Bentley & Dr. Eggman right now :D can't believe Bentley didn't see the link as Penelope's name was tossed around quite a bit in Decimal's chapter as well as just having the hypnotic ability's. But as it suggested at the end of Penelope's chapter, Bentley moved on......
I like the idea that Penelope broke up with Bentley over his obsession with Sly and the gang, but I think this was handled horribly. Especially since Penelope had a crush on Sly, was saved by him at least twice, then was saved by Bentley and in turn saved Bentley from Lefwee. It feels too harsh of a heel turn to want to kill Sly and the others to 'free' Bentley.
I can imagine after defeating Penelope, Carmelita approaches Penelope and this is how it went. Penelope gets up disoriented as Carmelita confronts her Carmelita saying "This is for breaking Bentley's heart and selling Sly out" Carmelita punches Penelope in the face
@@StonexxDemonmaggot yeah, that was when i had realized it too. and man did i wish i was wrong also for the most observant one could notice a picture of a mouse of some sort on the Black Knight's chest plate during the cutscene where Sir Galleth is explaining what had happened
Well her mark on Le Paradox’s time blimp and the Black Knight’s armour kinda gave it away, But I still hate the way they made Penelope in Sly 4, She was way better in Sly 3.
The game honestly didn't do very much to hide it, and that's *before* you even reach this chapter. Think about it. She disappears prior to the story, some new villain just so conveniently happens to have his own time travel equipment, the end of chapter 2 has Sly questioning where Le Paradox got said time travel equipment *in the first place.* Like, sure it wasn't super obvious at first, but the moment Sly said that is when I got suspicious. And sure enough, my hunch was proven correct.
And even from the beginning, making her disappear without a trace and no progressing clues up until the revelation smelled something's obviously wrong. I had the hunch from the beginning. I mean yeah, people might get surprised but people getting upset and don't want to accept it? As if this cliché hasn't been played out in a lot of stories, movies, games, etc.
My hope? That this isn't this time line's Penelope. Think about it: what happens if Sly during the next game, attempting to get back home from Ancient Egypt, goes into the FUTURE instead? A terrible dystopian future. A future where "The Bandit King", an evil crime lord rules the world with an iron fist. Sly sees the terror wrought by this monster and soon discovers....that HE is the The Bandit King. What if this Penelope came from the future (would explain the perfected Time Machine tech she gave Paradox) filled with hate against Sly because of his transformation into a cruel despot? What if her anger against ole' Benny Boy is because she saw him turn into just another burned out slave of the now-evil Sly Cooper? Yeah, yeah....I KNOW it's a silly idea. But it would be nice...
Better yet, if the Bandit King was Sly's son, a half-raccoon half-fox mogrel whose connections allowed him to skirt the law and control the world. Bentley, feeling indebted to Sly, serves the Son like a slave. Somehow I don't see Sly ever becoming a tyrant. But future generations might become tainted with greed.
You know there is some evidence that sir raleigh was originally supposed to be the villain of 'Of mice and Mech' Within the episode Of Mice and Mechs, there are a number of frog statues and frog motifs. The taverns are named after frogs, which is also pointed out in the loading screens for no reason. The safe treasure in the episode is also frog themed, and it's Sir Raleigh's top hat. Sir Raleigh is also an Englishman, who would probably feel at home in the medieval England setting, and he has a fondness for machines, so he could easily have built the mechanical henchmen in the level. This is why Penelope's betrayal of the team was so shoe-horned and nonsensical. Because it wasn't meant to be Penelope in the first place. Sir Raleigh, as a nod to the first game, was meant to make a comeback as a villain.
Yeah, I’m still mad about this. Seriously, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY GIRL?! If they’d said she was being mind-controlled by Miss Decibel, or was undercover to sabotage Le Paradox’s operations from the inside, or even that Le Paradox was threatening Bentley to force Penelope to work for him, I would’ve been totally cool with it. THIS is a complete decimation of Penelope as a character.
Unfortunately it feels like she fell victim to lazy writing It's easy to make a storyline out of conflict, much harder to pick up from where Honor Among Thieves left off (two people who not only love and support each other, but are made better for being in each other's lives rather than apart) If they ever DO make a 5th game I hope they either retcon or solve this somehow, otherwise HAT is where the series ends for me
I am so glad I'm not the only one who is upset about Penelope being a villain. Sure we didn't know much about her past before but it doesn't seem like it mattered in the end. And now she is going off saying Bentley is waisting potential with Sly and junk which isn't true. Sanzaru better find a way to fix this in the next game and not make her a villain again and Clockwerk better make a return
Arpeggio states that he never placed clockwerk's brain in the body so he can have a chance at revival as we see easter eggs of him throughout the game most likely with a new body
No the brain was in there. Arpeggio put all of the pieces together. You can even see Clockwerk’s personality take over Neyla’s towards the end of the battle.
I'll be honest. This part made me mad, like really mad!! Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to turn Penelope from a sweet and caring friend into a villain?! And why? Cause she thought Sly was holding Bentley back from taking over the world with her?! I know she's a mouse but what is this 'Penelope and the Brain'?! Did the developers do their research on her character? How she was in love with Sly at one point before Bently won her heart? How she was dedicate to the team and cared about her friends? How she saved Murray's life when Tsao tried to blow him up?! It just doesn't make any sense and there was no transition whatsoever!! Here's what I would believe: what if instead of betraying them she was captured by Le Paradox and brainwashed by Ms Decibel into believing the garbage excuse the writers gave her about Sly being a hindrance on Bentley? That I could believe far more than what they did here. And then when she imprisoned the brainwashing wore off and so she escaped to try and find Sly on her own in order to redeem herself in Bentley's eyes?
We actually know absolutely NOTHING about Penelope. She was under an assumed name for her introductory chapter, she seems to take actual delight in killing goons. (Listen to her taunts when she sends them flying) and also, she KILLS LeFwee in her boss fight, instead of just KOing them, something SLy has never been onboard with. (He KOs goons, and leaves the bigger bads for interpol.)
@@corjonbett ok, so...how are they suppose to let Interpol arrests him, there's no law in the area they're in. hell, it's the only area where Carmelita doesn't show up, showing that the law has no grip on the area. and she didn't kill him, all she did was knock him off the ship, the sharks are what did him in.
@@noahbusch7542 Nah? And then I just wonder what happened to Penelope’s giant robot knight in the Medieval Ages that was altered by modern technology? I just hope that Cooper Gang cleans the past up with something else like the mouse girl’s mess.
I agree with you. What they did to Penelope in this game excluding the character model because now she has a tail unlike the third game, what they did to her in this game I think it’s stupid. I honestly think it’s really stupid.
I think over the years Penelope felt Sly was holding him back since Bently is a genius and could do great things like cure cancer or somthing, she probably thought if Sly was out of the way there would be nothing in Bently's way.
I think it was during Bentley's follow mission that i realized who the Black Knight was, I just thought "wait robots, surveilance blimps, and machinery, plus Penelop used to be the Black Baron..." and piecing it together.
It's kind of obvious Penelope will be back if they make Sly 5. Besides, it wouldn't the first time a villain has been redeemed. Only this time it's in reverse.
Funny Penelope use to have a crush on Sly before she got with Bentley in Sly 3 and now she stabs the poor turtle in the back by joining Le Paradox and trying to kill her boyfriend's...scratch that EX boyfriend's best friend and destroying his family legacy some part of me always knew she was a brat
Well in Sly 3 when she played the Black Barren she was always picky about working with the best and when Sly kicked her butt at the airplain tournament she crushed on Sly cause he won till Bentley saves her from Le Fwe the pirate and looked at him as the best so I figured she was bratty of her test in the best if you know what I mean
+Jeronimo McArthur Yh that makes alot of sense she's never satisfied she a always looking for the better version. but I thought she really liked Bentley never thought it would come to this.
Well...she did in a way it's just she went behind his back cause she figured Bentley didn't know he was living in Sly's shadow and was held back and hoped Bentley would stand with her on her plan but Bentley chosed his good friend who was always there for him then his back stabbing ex
However good or bad you think Sanzaru's writing for this scene was, it does show that money is not Penelope's ONLY motivation. She probably sees money the way she sees Le Paradox...'a means to an end'. The same with the weapons she wanted to make with Bentley, but he no doubt refused due to his moral code. Which rubbed off on him from Sly, thus fueling Penelope's frustration.
Great point tbh especially when you account for her starting off as the Baron and being fine with money just for gain. Bentley had a test of his morality with this and I think it stayed true and even shown the reflection from when he was tested on a big decision like when the Contessa had taken the gang uk
Just thinking of that part in Sly 3 when Murray said to her you pretty good at breaking stuff in that General Tsao's final mission, guessing Bentley's heart is one of them now
Penelope kinda reminds me of terra from teen titans: both of them were originally friends of the main heroes, both were the love interest of one of the heroes ( beast boy and Bentley) both eventually became a villain for the main villian. However, unlike terra Penelope never redeemed herself or try to make up for her mistakes.
Penelope betraying the gang was just awful. But Bentley didn’t exactly open up to her reasoning. Does he really think Le Paradox has all the power in the world to not let anyone get in his way? If he does then why are they even trying to stop him? The point is, it feels like he doesn’t believe Penelope can turn on Le Paradox like she did them. Regardless, if a 5th game ever does come out, not only does Penelope need redemption, but Bentley needs renewed faith in her.
Yeah, Bentley's response here always bothered me. Panelope makes it VERY clear that Le Paradox never had the kind of leverage on her that Bentley thought he had, and dismissed him as a means to an end. What exactly makes Bentley think Le Paradox has the power to control Panelope when most of the power he's using is literally FROM her? Idk. It comes off as condescending, and because his point was weak, it really didn't do much to dissuade her at all.
I've been dumped a bunch of times in my life (actually, one relationship didn't work out, and the other two relationships resulted in an instance of cheating on another guy). I've seen many shocking moments in video games, but this one broke my heart. Penelope seemed so sweet. At first, I thought she would make a great sidekick to the Cooper gang in upcoming games. To be honest, I didn't expect something like this to happen in a video game. Ever. This is still an outstanding game though. Well played!
Thanks, man! XD Seriously, I feel a lot better now that you said that. I'm out of school now, so it's getting gradually easier to forget about my depression.
What the heck did they do to Penelope?! This whole world domination bit was never something she was in to in the 3rd game. There was never any hint of her being so greedy and wanting of power, in fact it was the exact opposite! Geez, the idea that she was providing the tech for all the bases was good enough without her having to be a bad guy to! They could have just had her be brainwashed by that Elephant woman, thus leaving a clue as to what the next boss would have been capable of, but noo! They had to put in a twisted kind of twist and make her evil all of a sudden. Lazy writing.
I can think of a WAY better idea for this instead of her betraying them. The Black Knight is revealed to be none other than Sir Raleigh the frog! The first enemy Sly faced, using Penelope as a prisoner to help him build those mechanical knights. Paradox wanted to capture Bentley to build their own time machine, but when his goons went to catch him, Bentley was out getting food, so with him not around, they caught Penelope instead. After freeing her she becomes a playable character with the ability to use drones. What do you all think?
Ahem. 1. While pretending to be the Baron, she nearly kills Sly by throwing him off a plane and only gives up when she clearly sees there's no chance she'll win. 2. While inspecting the chest to figure out how to open it, she gets blinded. Apparently. Even though she's wearing goggles and they "mysteriously" slide above her eyes when the chest opens. 3. She murders the pirate man by throwing him to the sharks. After slicing him with a sword a bunch of times. How many times has Sly, Bentley, and Murray killed their enemies? Once, if you count the machine with a grudge. 4. Evil Penelope is so guud and will probably redeem herself in the future anyway. So Why do people find Penelope going traitor so far fetched again? Someone give me good reasons beyond "She helped Sly's gang in the first game" for once, Pleeeease!
MadMachinist She was good because she actually had a thing for Bentley and she even stated that she’s doing all of this for him, believing that Sly is using Bentley in the same manner that Sly’s dad did with Dr. M. However that’s not true because the three of them each actually treat one another like family (whereas with Conner Cooper, Sly’s dad, his gang were friends at best) She may be a bit more rougher than the Cooper Gang, but she was part of a large dog fighting tournament that involved potential death for years, so it’s natural she’d be adjusted to that form of combat. On top of that, there’s no signs of her actually being a traitor in Sly 3. If she wanted to, she could have taken Sly’s cane in the third game and given it to Dr. M when the gang had their guard down at their lowest point. That would have proven far better than to go back in time and try to wipe the Cooper name. Another thing, putting on the goggles during that flash bang meant nothing. They aren’t wielding goggles and Penelope had no reason to act like she was blind because she wouldn’t have gotten anything out of it.
Well one reason is because after the Neyla betrayal, the developers needed someone who can reassure the cooper gang and the players that the new additions to the gang aren’t going to betray them, especially for former enemies panda king and Dimitri, which is why they made the mystical guru, the only cooper member with no criminal past, to approve that the new members are legit. Unfortunately sanzaru seemed to have missed that small bit.
what i never understood is how in thieves in time penelope says part of her betrayal was because sly and his group were chasing honor for chump change, but this line never sat right with me when you consider that at the end of sly 3, sly leaves a literal CAVE OF TREASURE for them to have, so many writing decisions in that game never sat right with me.
TheStorysOfDeath thank lord bentley found someone new,a cheetah????,well at least it better than that back stabbing traitor penelope,i was happy with penelope when sly cooper 3 because she was cool with her remote control airplane n that race car but then she betray them and call bentley dumb playing with his feeling.ooooohhhhh i hope they never go back together again!!!! p.s is this cheetah is smart like bentley and also how did your cousin know about sly cooper 5
adams darwins i dont know really but i think she is smart but i was talking to her saying omg i hope Bentley gets a new girlfriend and she said yea he does... Its 10 times faster then him... its a cheetah. she say she watched a video on it
6:00 Faruq (the announcer in battle bots) voice: In the red corner, chief machinist for Le Paradox, former dogfighter, gang member, mechanic, heart breaker and ex-girlfriend of her opponent. Penelope the Rat with her mech. It’s big, it’s round, it will pound you to the ground. The Black Knight! (Crowd booing and throwing tomatos at her) Faruq: And in the blue corner, he might not have the ability to walk or sense of fashion, but he makes up for it with brain power as strong as the Hulk, a shell as tough as metal, and loyalty to his gang and friends as big as a house. Give it up for Bentley the turtle and his mech. It’s a one robot apocalypse… flee before the Moat monster! (Crowd cheering)
Why come up with this plot twist? Wouldn't it have made more sense that La Paradox just captured Penelope and forced her to work for him? I think that would've been the better choice in the story. Who agrees?
Well I would have changed where it would it have been someone like Raleigh (Who is good with mechanics) and have Penelope be hypnotized, and you still fight her for the first part, but for the Bentley part, it would still be the same, except you would fight Raleigh instead of Penelope.
I remember this plot twist was the base breaker. I hope in the next game they detail exactly how she went from being such an avid member of the team to considering Sly's ideology a bunch of bull, as otherwise it seems kind of forced.
The thing is that Penelope's betrayal was very forced. They just did it to make the game more interesting. It does not make sense... Penelope was a very sweet and kind girl in Sly 3. There is no way she had such a twisted and sadistic side beneath (if you listen to what the Black Knight mutters to herself you will be shocked). Also, she thought Bentley was wasting his potential with Sly even after the gang DISBANDED? She left him while he wasn't even working for Sly anymore?? Major story flaw...
Actually the development was chaotic since the beggining, they wasted 1-2 years of development only to scrap it and start it again. Sony put a deadline to the game´s release date cuz they wanted the game launched as fast as possible. Also a DLC was cancelled in favor of Vita´s port.
You know, it would've made more sense if Raleigh was the Black Knight since he would've had a grudge against Sly for getting the crap kicked out of him in the first game, and he has the skills to accomplish what was seen in this level so what would've made sense is if La Paradox broke him out of prison and made him a deal to get revenge on Sly since they would've had a common enemy.
Penelope would never do this canonically... remember when she retrive Sly's cane? Remember when she rescued Murray's van and protected him from being killed from a whole army of Tsao? Or when she rescued Murray from being exploded by a barril of powder? Remember when she cross swords with the smartest pirate of the seven sees to save Bentley?! She wasn't doing all that just because she had a plan to stole Sly or whatever... she was part of the band and she loved them. This isn't something she would do. Never!
let's be honest for one second here people; while i share in the dislike that they did this to Penelope, realistically there was no other way for the plot of this game to happen without this twist. Bentley was the only person in the world who had plans for a time machine, and you know he'd have those plans locked up tighter than Fort Knox. and if Bentley is as smart as we've come to expect of him over the course of 3-4 games then it's doubtful that anyone could hack his security systems. the only people at that point who could get to the plans were Bentley himself, or someone he trusted enough with the key to the vault
I thought the identity of the black knight was Raleigh, the first sly villain, he also inviented big machines, it would have been great to see him again
I know people are mad by this betrayal and all and at frist I was kinda mad, too but I kinda peg Penelpe as a scam artist after replaying the games again. That and how quickly she changed her affections from Sly to Bentley. Could also be that I never really cared for Penelope anyway.
I think the logic was by making Penelope the bad guy, people would talk about it and this game would get sales. The problem is, that’s stupid and doesn’t make any sense.
If there's a Sly 5, I'm calling that Penelope will be the one to construct Clockwerk. Time-proof technology & a unwarranted hatred for the Cooper family? I can name a guess where that came from...
I think they made Penelope make a stupid betrayal decision just to show Bentley being UTTERLY disappointed in her. I realize now that Penelopy's betrayal was VERY unnecessary.
You know, I have a way this twist could be LESS insulting: when Penelope gets to her second form, another Penelope shows up. She reveals that during a test on the time machine, an accident sent her to another reality where she betrayed the gang during the third game and that reality's Penelope was sent here. While she worked with Le Paradox, the real Penelope worked to get back and stop her evil double. Sure, the evil twin and alternate reality are REALLY cliche, but better that than a massive F you to fans of the character.
I didn’t even know about Sly Cooper until later but yes, I HAVE watched the video games with the walkthrough.~ And I thought it was kind of sad seeing Penelope sold out everyone she cared about for the money. But when I hear her saying how she did this for Bentley. Hearing her saying how Sly stole his potential, I think she was replying about herself. It seems Penelope was hiding a side of herself we may not have even knew she had. I think she felt under appreciated. And maybe she felt Bentley was going through the same. But she still sold them out is what is hard to understand. If she sat down with Bentley or Sly and ask do I matter? I mean really matter? Maybe what Penelope wanted was to feel a since of Value. Is she worth more than what she thinks. I pray in Sly Cooper 5 she gets the redemption she needs.
At the end of the game when Bentley is talking about where everyone is now, Bentley says that Penelope escaped from prison and was sending Bentley mysterious postcards indicating that there will be some sort of action or story from Penelope in the next game. If there is another one.
Why penelope is blowing her tongue like a kid ? It's like she is in some revenge stuff but we didn't do anything to her (exept blowing up her plans to builds weapons and get some gain to it.).
All these years later and I can't help but think: *Why was this boss not **_Sir Raleigh?_* The giant, steam-powered monstrosities fit his M.O. perfectly and he'd obviously be out to get revenge on Sly for ruining him in the first game.
Le Paradox probably found it easy to manipulate Penelope, due to her brewing resentment of Bentley taking his job of safeguarding the Cooper legacy VERY seriously, plus adopting most of Sly's morals.
You might be. It's been awhile since I've played Sly three but I remember Penelope being like this. Also the colossal stupidity of a someone who has worked with the Cooper gang thinking they can away with doing them wrong is just bewildering. It's like a retcon now every time I play sly three I'm just going to remember her eventual back stab.
I just discovered that Penelope's VA also did the voice for Freddi Fish in those Humongous Entertainment kids games back in the day. From wholesome happy fish, to plotting semi-crazed mouse X)
The more times I keep looking at this it still gets worse & worse it's one of my biggest problem with the game at least Clockwerk had a good reason why he hated the cooper family he was jealous but her.. I'm filping the bird at the writes for that dumbass plot twist when Sly 5 is made & release sometime soon this is the only thing I want changed make Penelope not only redeem herself to the cooper gang but rejoin them for the REAL new theft then BOOM happy ending. I'm not expecting anyone of you lot to agree with me but for those who does great but bear in mind it's my opinion and it's not going to change until they do something about her.. but in the right way.
Becouse its for the germans in WW2 thousands of normal peeps died here We fought against gemany we are allies to the brittish the whole HIEL DUITCHLAND thing is incorrect. Im dutch. Not german... our wording is almost the same but the accent is REALY diffrent
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Well, what else did they expect from a girl they met ONLINE?!
Not to have her try to murder his friend.
Julian Chancellor If you meet a girl online? At the very least you should expect that...
tbh ur right
This is the best oneliner in the whole comment section.
they met her during Sly Cooper in Holland? When she was trying to win flight contest and defeat the black knight, now she is black knight herself. Plot confusion.
How could they do this to her? If you remember back sly 3 they really cared about her, and because Bentley and the gang risked their lives to save her from a smart Alec pirate, she could tell in her heart they need her by their side, man I find it heartbreaking to see this happen to Bentley, if you knew who Penelope was in the 3rd game you could tell she would never do this to him. She really loved him and wanted to stay with Bentley forever.
If there's ever a 5th sly cooper game, I hope she returns to the good side, because this ain't her never was never will be.
Think about it, if darth Vader one of the greatest movie villains can return to the good side. So can any fictional character.
i think Paradox may have tricked her into helping him which lead her to her idea of wealth since he used Decibel for the documents
meh....I think it's in her character to do it. She was the black baron after all.
optimusN64 plus, cross reference what penelope says here with what Dr. M says in Sly 3
optimusN64 she was hypnotized
optimusN64 I still wouldn’t trust her plus she was the Black Baron! You can’t trust her once oh ever, she tried to kill Sly, and I’ve played every sly cooper game.
Love that bit of Bentley fighting his personal demons. With Clockwork being responsible for his legs (because of his body being involved in that event) and Penelope for what was just established.
Actually it was Clock-la who crippled his legs, not Clockwerk, but good try
@@cindynoh8394 clockwerk was close to returning. If any longer she remained in clockwerks head, she would have turned full cloclwerk. It's supported by the lines she says in the end fight
Personally I hate that bit. Bentley had no character arc. It was just all implied. Doesn’t help that Penelope was poorly written in this herself.
@@kulla8587 Yeah me too. What they did to Penelope in this game. I think it's stupid
He might be a turtle but he is a shell shocker
I have no idea why they made penelope the traitor here. In sly 3, she wasnt not like the penelope on sly 4. She showed kindness, and also in the pirates episode, she fought lefwee for the cooper gang and yet she left the gang to rule the world and stuff. She NEVER showed that kind of personality in sly 3. It would be better off if the creators of the sly series didn't make the part of penelope's betrayal.
I wouldn't call it a betrayal. The gang had been disbanded for a long, long time. She no longer held feelings for the gang, but rather her husband/boyfriend, Bentley. Then, when her lover openly mocks her and basically says that he cares more for the gang than for her, she snaps and lashes out at him.
Well I kinda wanna say she was kidnapped by la paradox. Why she did what he said? ms. Decimal theory with decimal's hypnotic ability's think about it. La paradox most likely had penolope hypnotized to do his bidding I mean it makes sense & ties in with the penolope post card reference in the credits
Jeremiah D you know, that is a good hypothesis. Maybe that's why she was on Le Paradox's side. I think it makes more sense if that actually happened. ( I replied too late XD )
Jeremiah D oh my god that makes too much sense it scares me
+Scrooge fanlol Thanks I feel smarter than Bentley & Dr. Eggman right now :D can't believe Bentley didn't see the link as Penelope's name was tossed around quite a bit in Decimal's chapter as well as just having the hypnotic ability's. But as it suggested at the end of Penelope's chapter, Bentley moved on......
I like the idea that Penelope broke up with Bentley over his obsession with Sly and the gang, but I think this was handled horribly. Especially since Penelope had a crush on Sly, was saved by him at least twice, then was saved by Bentley and in turn saved Bentley from Lefwee. It feels too harsh of a heel turn to want to kill Sly and the others to 'free' Bentley.
"What's the matter, Penelope? Feeling dis-ARMed?" Lol classic.
Epic pun, Sly. Epic pun. 😄
I can imagine after defeating Penelope, Carmelita approaches Penelope and this is how it went.
Penelope gets up disoriented as Carmelita confronts her
Carmelita saying "This is for breaking Bentley's heart and selling Sly out"
Carmelita punches Penelope in the face
……..
“I get it.”
“Shut it, Nappa.”
(Couldn’t resist)
I’m not kidding but I looked at this comment as soon as he said it :0
Amphibia
The core: I get it. Cause you cut her arm off. Hahaha
Am I the only one who felt it was painfully obvious that Penelope was the Black Knight?
Seeing that when The Black Knight was talking, it had pink text subtitles which made it a bit obvious that it was her
@@StonexxDemonmaggot yeah, that was when i had realized it too. and man did i wish i was wrong
also for the most observant one could notice a picture of a mouse of some sort on the Black Knight's chest plate during the cutscene where Sir Galleth is explaining what had happened
Well her mark on Le Paradox’s time blimp and the Black Knight’s armour kinda gave it away, But I still hate the way they made Penelope in Sly 4, She was way better in Sly 3.
The game honestly didn't do very much to hide it, and that's *before* you even reach this chapter. Think about it. She disappears prior to the story, some new villain just so conveniently happens to have his own time travel equipment, the end of chapter 2 has Sly questioning where Le Paradox got said time travel equipment *in the first place.* Like, sure it wasn't super obvious at first, but the moment Sly said that is when I got suspicious. And sure enough, my hunch was proven correct.
And even from the beginning, making her disappear without a trace and no progressing clues up until the revelation smelled something's obviously wrong. I had the hunch from the beginning. I mean yeah, people might get surprised but people getting upset and don't want to accept it? As if this cliché hasn't been played out in a lot of stories, movies, games, etc.
Bentley: "Why'd you do it, Penelope?"
Penelope: "Idk. Writers?"
This comes back to bite her in my fanfiction!
My hope? That this isn't this time line's Penelope. Think about it: what happens if Sly during the next game, attempting to get back home from Ancient Egypt, goes into the FUTURE instead?
A terrible dystopian future. A future where "The Bandit King", an evil crime lord rules the world with an iron fist. Sly sees the terror wrought by this monster and soon discovers....that HE is the The Bandit King. What if this Penelope came from the future (would explain the perfected Time Machine tech she gave Paradox) filled with hate against Sly because of his transformation into a cruel despot? What if her anger against ole' Benny Boy is because she saw him turn into just another burned out slave of the now-evil Sly Cooper?
Yeah, yeah....I KNOW it's a silly idea. But it would be nice...
That's... actually a pretty good idea.
I want to see this happen so badly o.o
graph180 That is by far the best theory/idea of how to handle another game.
Better yet, if the Bandit King was Sly's son, a half-raccoon half-fox mogrel whose connections allowed him to skirt the law and control the world. Bentley, feeling indebted to Sly, serves the Son like a slave.
Somehow I don't see Sly ever becoming a tyrant. But future generations might become tainted with greed.
You know there is some evidence that sir raleigh was originally supposed to be the villain of 'Of mice and Mech' Within the episode Of Mice and Mechs, there are a number of frog statues and frog motifs. The taverns are named after frogs, which is also pointed out in the loading screens for no reason. The safe treasure in the episode is also frog themed, and it's Sir Raleigh's top hat. Sir Raleigh is also an Englishman, who would probably feel at home in the medieval England setting, and he has a fondness for machines, so he could easily have built the mechanical henchmen in the level.
This is why Penelope's betrayal of the team was so shoe-horned and nonsensical. Because it wasn't meant to be Penelope in the first place. Sir Raleigh, as a nod to the first game, was meant to make a comeback as a villain.
SHE PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDEL
+coolgoogles gameplay Such a lust for fiddles. WHOOOOOOO!!!
Who has ps3
add me wesam-us
Sure let play together!
a good luck wesam Sorry pal. Only on PS4.
STILL IN A DREAM SNAKEEATWR
I'M GONNA MAKE THEM GIVE BACK OUR PAST
Yeah, I’m still mad about this. Seriously, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY GIRL?! If they’d said she was being mind-controlled by Miss Decibel, or was undercover to sabotage Le Paradox’s operations from the inside, or even that Le Paradox was threatening Bentley to force Penelope to work for him, I would’ve been totally cool with it. THIS is a complete decimation of Penelope as a character.
Unfortunately it feels like she fell victim to lazy writing
It's easy to make a storyline out of conflict, much harder to pick up from where Honor Among Thieves left off (two people who not only love and support each other, but are made better for being in each other's lives rather than apart)
If they ever DO make a 5th game I hope they either retcon or solve this somehow, otherwise HAT is where the series ends for me
Perhaps she was mind-controlled, or at least corrupted, by Miss decibel and they were going to reveal that in the sequel they wanted but never got.
hey bently is right, hes not one of the bad guys. hes a thief but has a heart and helps out on the good side.
i agree he helps steal only from criminals and after they turn the criminal in to the police
cosmoman.EXE well Technically none of the gang are packed guys because they steal from other theives and a beat the bad guys and turn them in.
Penelope It Is He Most The Real Everything I Can Change My Destiny Are U Alright Bentley He's Gonna Did U
I am so glad I'm not the only one who is upset about Penelope being a villain. Sure we didn't know much about her past before but it doesn't seem like it mattered in the end. And now she is going off saying Bentley is waisting potential with Sly and junk which isn't true. Sanzaru better find a way to fix this in the next game and not make her a villain again and Clockwerk better make a return
Question is how WILL Clockwerk return? His main source of power has been destroyed and his parts are probably dust by now.
Arpeggio states that he never placed clockwerk's brain in the body so he can have a chance at revival as we see easter eggs of him throughout the game most likely with a new body
@@zombielion3020 Oh I must have missed that part then. Wow.
No the brain was in there. Arpeggio put all of the pieces together. You can even see Clockwerk’s personality take over Neyla’s towards the end of the battle.
Clockwerk can make a return... in Ancient Egypt.
Bentley mentioned 2005, the year that Sly Cooper 3 debuted.
Coincidence???
I think NOT!!!
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Maybe it’s an upgraded version of her black baron suit?
Honestly, this is the same girl who was once the freaking Black Baron. Her betrayal was surprising but not THAT much of a shock. ^^;
why is everything she represents "black"?
@@purplebard7349 Because black is cool
@@idontgiveashit7903 no it's edgy. Not in Sly Cooper series' case but normally yeetus
When Sly fought Penelope in this game it wasn't the first, it's like ending the same way they started
Purple Bard no
I'll be honest. This part made me mad, like really mad!! Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to turn Penelope from a sweet and caring friend into a villain?! And why? Cause she thought Sly was holding Bentley back from taking over the world with her?! I know she's a mouse but what is this 'Penelope and the Brain'?!
Did the developers do their research on her character? How she was in love with Sly at one point before Bently won her heart? How she was dedicate to the team and cared about her friends? How she saved Murray's life when Tsao tried to blow him up?! It just doesn't make any sense and there was no transition whatsoever!!
Here's what I would believe: what if instead of betraying them she was captured by Le Paradox and brainwashed by Ms Decibel into believing the garbage excuse the writers gave her about Sly being a hindrance on Bentley? That I could believe far more than what they did here. And then when she imprisoned the brainwashing wore off and so she escaped to try and find Sly on her own in order to redeem herself in Bentley's eyes?
Nah
We actually know absolutely NOTHING about Penelope. She was under an assumed name for her introductory chapter, she seems to take actual delight in killing goons. (Listen to her taunts when she sends them flying) and also, she KILLS LeFwee in her boss fight, instead of just KOing them, something SLy has never been onboard with. (He KOs goons, and leaves the bigger bads for interpol.)
@@corjonbett ok, so...how are they suppose to let Interpol arrests him, there's no law in the area they're in. hell, it's the only area where Carmelita doesn't show up, showing that the law has no grip on the area. and she didn't kill him, all she did was knock him off the ship, the sharks are what did him in.
@@noahbusch7542 Nah? And then I just wonder what happened to Penelope’s giant robot knight in the Medieval Ages that was altered by modern technology? I just hope that Cooper Gang cleans the past up with something else like the mouse girl’s mess.
I agree with you. What they did to Penelope in this game excluding the character model because now she has a tail unlike the third game, what they did to her in this game I think it’s stupid. I honestly think it’s really stupid.
I think over the years Penelope felt Sly was holding him back since Bently is a genius and could do great things like cure cancer or somthing, she probably thought if Sly was out of the way there would be nothing in Bently's way.
Does anyone else wonder what happens to The Panda King?
Probably has good life watching over jin king.
Four awesome Dancing chicks hook up is a new term for kidnapped nowadays cool.
Or the Guru?
He probably retired
He being the father his daughter needs and protect her from the wrong kind of suitors until the right one comes..... which might be a while.
Ironically this video was uploaded on Valentine's Day.
God, I love the Sly Cooper series
Me too! That's why I named my channel after the series!
It still upsets me to think about Penelope.
I know right
So dumb
@@janetrao2733i'm Know
She Lying
I think it was during Bentley's follow mission that i realized who the Black Knight was, I just thought "wait robots, surveilance blimps, and machinery, plus Penelop used to be the Black Baron..." and piecing it together.
More specifc, listen to how the Black Knight speaks during the follow mission, its WAY similar to the Black Baron's speech when you followed him.
It's kind of obvious Penelope will be back if they make Sly 5. Besides, it wouldn't the first time a villain has been redeemed. Only this time it's in reverse.
Are you talking about Dimitri and Panda king (The latter one only in the 3rd game) when talking about redeemed villains?
Funny Penelope use to have a crush on Sly before she got with Bentley in Sly 3 and now she stabs the poor turtle in the back by joining Le Paradox and trying to kill her boyfriend's...scratch that EX boyfriend's best friend and destroying his family legacy some part of me always knew she was a brat
what made come to that conclusion.
Well in Sly 3 when she played the Black Barren she was always picky about working with the best and when Sly kicked her butt at the airplain tournament she crushed on Sly cause he won till Bentley saves her from Le Fwe the pirate and looked at him as the best so I figured she was bratty of her test in the best if you know what I mean
+Jeronimo McArthur Yh that makes alot of sense she's never satisfied she a always looking for the better version. but I thought she really liked Bentley never thought it would come to this.
Well...she did in a way it's just she went behind his back cause she figured Bentley didn't know he was living in Sly's shadow and was held back and hoped Bentley would stand with her on her plan but Bentley chosed his good friend who was always there for him then his back stabbing ex
+Jeronimo McArthur Bentley made a good solid decision but was her plan for Bentley leave the sly gang and do what afterwards?
However good or bad you think Sanzaru's writing for this scene was, it does show that money is not Penelope's ONLY motivation. She probably sees money the way she sees Le Paradox...'a means to an end'. The same with the weapons she wanted to make with Bentley, but he no doubt refused due to his moral code. Which rubbed off on him from Sly, thus fueling Penelope's frustration.
Great point tbh especially when you account for her starting off as the Baron and being fine with money just for gain. Bentley had a test of his morality with this and I think it stayed true and even shown the reflection from when he was tested on a big decision like when the Contessa had taken the gang uk
Just thinking of that part in Sly 3 when Murray said to her you pretty good at breaking stuff in that General Tsao's final mission, guessing Bentley's heart is one of them now
Zee Realized how much It is a great way to go to the point of view
...Why must you hurt me in this way?
Damn im sad now- 😔
4:21 kind of impressive that Bentley built that robotic suit so fast. And just using the remains of the moat monster.
I miss Clockwerk. :(
clockwerk was a good game
joseph zamora
"Game"? I'm talking about the epic villain from the first Sly Cooper game.
If you look, you can see clockwork in this level
He's perched on a tower
Tristan Pate were!?!?!?!
I think it was a clock tower
Her betrayal truly made no sense.
He's awfully happy for a guy who just broke up with his girlfriend, via a physical altercation.
Penelope kinda reminds me of terra from teen titans: both of them were originally friends of the main heroes, both were the love interest of one of the heroes ( beast boy and Bentley) both eventually became a villain for the main villian. However, unlike terra Penelope never redeemed herself or try to make up for her mistakes.
Alas, sweet Penelope.
Parting is such sweet sorrow...
MY SON DOESN'T DESERVE THIS. I'm not kidding, Bentley is my favorite, and did not deserve being backstabbed.
Penelope betraying the gang was just awful. But Bentley didn’t exactly open up to her reasoning. Does he really think Le Paradox has all the power in the world to not let anyone get in his way? If he does then why are they even trying to stop him? The point is, it feels like he doesn’t believe Penelope can turn on Le Paradox like she did them. Regardless, if a 5th game ever does come out, not only does Penelope need redemption, but Bentley needs renewed faith in her.
Yeah, Bentley's response here always bothered me. Panelope makes it VERY clear that Le Paradox never had the kind of leverage on her that Bentley thought he had, and dismissed him as a means to an end. What exactly makes Bentley think Le Paradox has the power to control Panelope when most of the power he's using is literally FROM her?
Idk. It comes off as condescending, and because his point was weak, it really didn't do much to dissuade her at all.
I've been dumped a bunch of times in my life (actually, one relationship didn't work out, and the other two relationships resulted in an instance of cheating on another guy). I've seen many shocking moments in video games, but this one broke my heart. Penelope seemed so sweet. At first, I thought she would make a great sidekick to the Cooper gang in upcoming games. To be honest, I didn't expect something like this to happen in a video game. Ever. This is still an outstanding game though. Well played!
Those girls didn't deserve you. Don't give up.
Thanks, man! XD
Seriously, I feel a lot better now that you said that. I'm out of school now, so it's getting gradually easier to forget about my depression.
What the heck did they do to Penelope?! This whole world domination bit was never something she was in to in the 3rd game. There was never any hint of her being so greedy and wanting of power, in fact it was the exact opposite! Geez, the idea that she was providing the tech for all the bases was good enough without her having to be a bad guy to! They could have just had her be brainwashed by that Elephant woman, thus leaving a clue as to what the next boss would have been capable of, but noo! They had to put in a twisted kind of twist and make her evil all of a sudden. Lazy writing.
Her being brainwashed by Ms. Decibel is my head-canon.
newcollector I just finished watching sly 3 lets play so now rewatching sly 4 I agree i am mad about that
I agree with everyone that this plot twist just doesn't make sense. Hell the sequence of this part doesn't make sense either.
It's too bad we'll likely never get a Sly 5. I'd love to see Penelope face justice.
I can think of a WAY better idea for this instead of her betraying them.
The Black Knight is revealed to be none other than Sir Raleigh the frog! The first enemy Sly faced, using Penelope as a prisoner to help him build those mechanical knights.
Paradox wanted to capture Bentley to build their own time machine, but when his goons went to catch him, Bentley was out getting food, so with him not around, they caught Penelope instead.
After freeing her she becomes a playable character with the ability to use drones.
What do you all think?
SO MUCH BETTER
yeah, makes a lot of sense, also that was kind of the original idea except a new character captures Penelope instead of Raleigh
I really hate Sanzaru for ruining the Penelope character. I hate how every 4th installment of a franchise always ruining a perfect trilogy.
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Hey mean GOOD guys
NO
Hj Sudiasih yes
Ahem.
1. While pretending to be the Baron, she nearly kills Sly by throwing him off a plane and only gives up when she clearly sees there's no chance she'll win.
2. While inspecting the chest to figure out how to open it, she gets blinded. Apparently. Even though she's wearing goggles and they "mysteriously" slide above her eyes when the chest opens.
3. She murders the pirate man by throwing him to the sharks. After slicing him with a sword a bunch of times. How many times has Sly, Bentley, and Murray killed their enemies? Once, if you count the machine with a grudge.
4. Evil Penelope is so guud and will probably redeem herself in the future anyway.
So Why do people find Penelope going traitor so far fetched again? Someone give me good reasons beyond "She helped Sly's gang in the first game" for once, Pleeeease!
MadMachinist She was good because she actually had a thing for Bentley and she even stated that she’s doing all of this for him, believing that Sly is using Bentley in the same manner that Sly’s dad did with Dr. M. However that’s not true because the three of them each actually treat one another like family (whereas with Conner Cooper, Sly’s dad, his gang were friends at best)
She may be a bit more rougher than the Cooper Gang, but she was part of a large dog fighting tournament that involved potential death for years, so it’s natural she’d be adjusted to that form of combat. On top of that, there’s no signs of her actually being a traitor in Sly 3. If she wanted to, she could have taken Sly’s cane in the third game and given it to Dr. M when the gang had their guard down at their lowest point. That would have proven far better than to go back in time and try to wipe the Cooper name.
Another thing, putting on the goggles during that flash bang meant nothing. They aren’t wielding goggles and Penelope had no reason to act like she was blind because she wouldn’t have gotten anything out of it.
Well one reason is because after the Neyla betrayal, the developers needed someone who can reassure the cooper gang and the players that the new additions to the gang aren’t going to betray them, especially for former enemies panda king and Dimitri, which is why they made the mystical guru, the only cooper member with no criminal past, to approve that the new members are legit. Unfortunately sanzaru seemed to have missed that small bit.
what i never understood is how in thieves in time penelope says part of her betrayal was because sly and his group were chasing honor for chump change, but this line never sat right with me when you consider that at the end of sly 3, sly leaves a literal CAVE OF TREASURE for them to have, so many writing decisions in that game never sat right with me.
When they make sly cooper 5 make sure bentley find a new girlfriend
bros before hoes
actually my cousin told me that in sly 5 bentley falls in love with a cheetah
TheStorysOfDeath thank lord bentley found someone new,a cheetah????,well at least it better than that back stabbing traitor penelope,i was happy with penelope when sly cooper 3 because she was cool with her remote control airplane n that race car but then she betray them and call bentley dumb playing with his feeling.ooooohhhhh i hope they never go back together again!!!!
p.s is this cheetah is smart like bentley and also how did your cousin know about sly cooper 5
true xD
adams darwins i dont know really but i think she is smart but i was talking to her saying omg i hope Bentley gets a new girlfriend and she said yea he does... Its 10 times faster then him... its a cheetah. she say she watched a video on it
I couldn’t believe Penelope betrayed and abandoned Bentley because of working with Sly
I'm so sad about penelope... maybe a fifth game will do the trick and make her good again
6:00
Faruq (the announcer in battle bots) voice: In the red corner, chief machinist for Le Paradox, former dogfighter, gang member, mechanic, heart breaker and ex-girlfriend of her opponent. Penelope the Rat with her mech. It’s big, it’s round, it will pound you to the ground. The Black Knight!
(Crowd booing and throwing tomatos at her)
Faruq: And in the blue corner, he might not have the ability to walk or sense of fashion, but he makes up for it with brain power as strong as the Hulk, a shell as tough as metal, and loyalty to his gang and friends as big as a house. Give it up for Bentley the turtle and his mech. It’s a one robot apocalypse… flee before the Moat monster!
(Crowd cheering)
This comes back to bite her in my fanfiction!
Why come up with this plot twist? Wouldn't it have made more sense that La Paradox just captured Penelope and forced her to work for him? I think that would've been the better choice in the story.
Who agrees?
Well I would have changed where it would it have been someone like Raleigh (Who is good with mechanics) and have Penelope be hypnotized, and you still fight her for the first part, but for the Bentley part, it would still be the same, except you would fight Raleigh instead of Penelope.
Jestergirl The funny lady I could see that.
Daniel Heidenreich I could see that
I think the true reason while Penelope betrayed the Cooper Gang is because she wanted to avenge Clockwerk’s death. (Or Neyla’s...)
Jestergirl the funny lady thats what I was thinking similar too
couples just remember don`t you use a fighting robot when your about to break up
I remember this plot twist was the base breaker. I hope in the next game they detail exactly how she went from being such an avid member of the team to considering Sly's ideology a bunch of bull, as otherwise it seems kind of forced.
I love how this leans into the villains being, villainous! The tone is what matters, and they did a great job here.
"I ... don't... think...so..." Sly says slowly while she makes her escape.
The thing is that Penelope's betrayal was very forced. They just did it to make the game more interesting. It does not make sense...
Penelope was a very sweet and kind girl in Sly 3. There is no way she had such a twisted and sadistic side beneath (if you listen to what the Black Knight mutters to herself you will be shocked). Also, she thought Bentley was wasting his potential with Sly even after the gang DISBANDED? She left him while he wasn't even working for Sly anymore?? Major story flaw...
Sanzaru Games wrote the story script very poorly. if Sucker Punch develops Sly 5 they must turn Penelope good somehow.
Actually the development was chaotic since the beggining, they wasted 1-2 years of development only to scrap it and start it again.
Sony put a deadline to the game´s release date cuz they wanted the game launched as fast as possible.
Also a DLC was cancelled in favor of Vita´s port.
You know, it would've made more sense if Raleigh was the Black Knight since he would've had a grudge against Sly for getting the crap kicked out of him in the first game, and he has the skills to accomplish what was seen in this level so what would've made sense is if La Paradox broke him out of prison and made him a deal to get revenge on Sly since they would've had a common enemy.
''That mech design is so 2005''. Sly 3 was released in that year :P
Since this game wasn't made by Sucker Punch, I can ignore this game along with it's character assassination of Penelope.
Penelope would never do this canonically... remember when she retrive Sly's cane? Remember when she rescued Murray's van and protected him from being killed from a whole army of Tsao? Or when she rescued Murray from being exploded by a barril of powder? Remember when she cross swords with the smartest pirate of the seven sees to save Bentley?! She wasn't doing all that just because she had a plan to stole Sly or whatever... she was part of the band and she loved them. This isn't something she would do. Never!
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let's be honest for one second here people; while i share in the dislike that they did this to Penelope, realistically there was no other way for the plot of this game to happen without this twist. Bentley was the only person in the world who had plans for a time machine, and you know he'd have those plans locked up tighter than Fort Knox. and if Bentley is as smart as we've come to expect of him over the course of 3-4 games then it's doubtful that anyone could hack his security systems. the only people at that point who could get to the plans were Bentley himself, or someone he trusted enough with the key to the vault
I thought the identity of the black knight was Raleigh, the first sly villain, he also inviented big machines, it would have been great to see him again
It should've been him instead of this
OMG that would have been pretty cool
Yeah, I liked the guy
I loved Sly 4, still hoping they do a Sly 5, hit on the other ancestors and wrap up the story.
Graphics aged very well.
I know people are mad by this betrayal and all and at frist I was kinda mad, too but I kinda peg Penelpe as a scam artist after replaying the games again. That and how quickly she changed her affections from Sly to Bentley. Could also be that I never really cared for Penelope anyway.
Poor Bentley...
And that betrayal came out of no where. Like, what?
I'm trying to figure out why Penelope didn't close the chest before she started to fight Bentley. That knockout punch was square on that spot
At least they kept Dimitri's theme. It's just epic
I think the logic was by making Penelope the bad guy, people would talk about it and this game would get sales. The problem is, that’s stupid and doesn’t make any sense.
"I'm nobody's Puppet!" That insignia on your chest says otherwise.
Clearly she was planning to double-cross Le Paradox before he can.
This ain't a plot twist, this is just straight up plot poison
Poor Bentley, man! 😢
I hate this moment back in 2013 and I still hate this moment.
1:35
Did he say "Score 1 for the gay guys"?
I think he did XD
Awesome Saint 40 Since he's dressed as Robin Hood it was probably a reference to the Merry Men, since gay used to mean happy.
Pretty sure he said "Score one for the good guys."
I think he said, "Score one for the game, guys."
Yeah he said Score one for the good guys. Heard it when I was fighting the last boss.
5:19 I LOVE that double facepalm. It’s ALWAYS made me crack up!
If there's a Sly 5, I'm calling that Penelope will be the one to construct Clockwerk. Time-proof technology & a unwarranted hatred for the Cooper family? I can name a guess where that came from...
This is where I feel the game messed up story wise but this is just my opinion.
I think they made Penelope make a stupid betrayal decision just to show Bentley being UTTERLY disappointed in her.
I realize now that Penelopy's betrayal was VERY unnecessary.
"that mech design was so 2005" made my day :P
Reference to Sly 3’s release year
Oh she'll be back. During the end credits it says that she broke out of jail. Something tells me that she'll be back for revenge :)
You know, I have a way this twist could be LESS insulting: when Penelope gets to her second form, another Penelope shows up. She reveals that during a test on the time machine, an accident sent her to another reality where she betrayed the gang during the third game and that reality's Penelope was sent here. While she worked with Le Paradox, the real Penelope worked to get back and stop her evil double. Sure, the evil twin and alternate reality are REALLY cliche, but better that than a massive F you to fans of the character.
I'd take a really cliche over massive character assassination
As much as I hate this twist, her boss fight is pretty awesome
I didn’t even know about Sly Cooper until later but yes, I HAVE watched the video games with the walkthrough.~ And I thought it was kind of sad seeing Penelope sold out everyone she cared about for the money. But when I hear her saying how she did this for Bentley. Hearing her saying how Sly stole his potential, I think she was replying about herself. It seems Penelope was hiding a side of herself we may not have even knew she had. I think she felt under appreciated. And maybe she felt Bentley was going through the same. But she still sold them out is what is hard to understand. If she sat down with Bentley or Sly and ask do I matter? I mean really matter? Maybe what Penelope wanted was to feel a since of Value. Is she worth more than what she thinks. I pray in Sly Cooper 5 she gets the redemption she needs.
Penelope sounds like Gadget from Disney's: Chip and Dale the Rescue Rangers.
Black Knight Phase 1 1:06
At the end of the game when Bentley is talking about where everyone is now, Bentley says that Penelope escaped from prison and was sending Bentley mysterious postcards indicating that there will be some sort of action or story from Penelope in the next game. If there is another one.
5:19 That double facepalm is HYSTERICAL. 😂😂😂
the look on Sly's face when he said "know anyone that can swing that?"
I never really liked Penelope, but even I thought her reasons for betraying the Cooper Gang in this game was pretty dumb.
Why penelope is blowing her tongue like a kid ? It's like she is in some revenge stuff but we didn't do anything to her (exept blowing up her plans to builds weapons and get some gain to it.).
All these years later and I can't help but think: *Why was this boss not **_Sir Raleigh?_*
The giant, steam-powered monstrosities fit his M.O. perfectly and he'd obviously be out to get revenge on Sly for ruining him in the first game.
Because Sanzaru Games wanted their own version to be the only canon narrative as such they ignored past established lore for their own benefit
@@bamban_garcia5562 Seems about right. Sanzaru really flubbed it bad on the story.
Penelope.
other names: black knight (disguise🥸).
animal: mouse🐀.
gender: female♀️.
element: technology⚙️.
type: advanced technology.
class: smasher🪓/brawler🥊 (as the black knight🤺).
ability: technokinesis, machine creation📠, melee (using her knight mech), axe🪓/shield🛡️ mastery (using her knight mech), projectiles🚀 (using her knight mech), strength💪, agility, durability, endurance, strategy, stamina.
weapon: giant axe🪓, shield🛡️, missiles🚀.
location: medieval england🇬🇧.
home: kinderdijk, holland🇳🇱.
homeworld: earth🌎 (animal realm).
family: bentley the turtle🐢 (ex-boyfriend).
boss: cyrille le paradox (formerly).
minions: mech wolves🐺, owls🦉, hedgehogs🦔, miniature dragons🐉.
rarity: rare.
alignment: good😇 (formerly)/evil👿 (currently).
status: alive.
color: pink💗.
5:59 At that moment, I always like to say: "Fine, have it your way!"
She love sly then Bentley now hate sly
Le Paradox probably found it easy to manipulate Penelope, due to her brewing resentment of Bentley taking his job of safeguarding the Cooper legacy VERY seriously, plus adopting most of Sly's morals.
You might be. It's been awhile since I've played Sly three but I remember Penelope being like this. Also the colossal stupidity of a someone who has worked with the Cooper gang thinking they can away with doing them wrong is just bewildering.
It's like a retcon now every time I play sly three I'm just going to remember her eventual back stab.
I just discovered that Penelope's VA also did the voice for Freddi Fish in those Humongous Entertainment kids games back in the day. From wholesome happy fish, to plotting semi-crazed mouse X)
The more times I keep looking at this it still gets worse & worse it's one of my biggest problem with the game at least Clockwerk had a good reason why he hated the cooper family he was jealous but her.. I'm filping the bird at the writes for that dumbass plot twist when Sly 5 is made & release sometime soon this is the only thing I want changed make Penelope not only redeem herself to the cooper gang but rejoin them for the REAL new theft then BOOM happy ending.
I'm not expecting anyone of you lot to agree with me but for those who does great but bear in mind it's my opinion and it's not going to change until they do something about her.. but in the right way.
honestly the real happy ending to me is Sly and Carmelita getting married
Misty Graves Until then.. Not gonna happen.
***** well yes
2013 gave us two of the most awful villain reveal twists
Mandarin from Iron Man 3 & Penelope from Sly Cooper franchise. Damn you, Sanzaru! 😠
This is the only time Bentley walks on two legs after Sly 2, just wanted to point that out.
Black Knight Phase 2 5:59
If Penelope's Dutch, why doesn't she have an accent.
As an dutch person,
She has an normal dutch accent.
I hope england notice the old rivalry between england and holland
Jk
... you mean germany not the neatherlands...
Becouse its for the germans in WW2 thousands of normal peeps died here
We fought against gemany we are allies to the brittish
the whole HIEL DUITCHLAND thing is incorrect.
Im dutch. Not german... our wording is almost the same but the accent is REALY diffrent