We Need to Talk! What Does Jamaal Bowman's Loss Mean?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
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We Need to Talk! What Does Jamaal Bowman's Loss Mean?
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Our apathy toward voting is going to send us back to pre-civil rights. We need to stand up and fight people. 😡
Slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, redlining, Biden's Crime Bill and all black oppression was done by Democrats but you still vote blue? That's the definition of a sellout.
Karen just laced us with a good one. Fire! Good ideas, gooood. 8 years more before the big score.
Facts!
Again..Exactly what are we voting for that helps BA? Ex..I live in California. And there's nothing to vote on any ballot that helps BAs? I don't care about Latino/Hispanic/Asian issues..If any of it was about closing the wealth gap or equality for BAs then I'd vote..
And FIGHT HOW? Voting has NEVER HELPED BA...And we have no BAs in Politics Fighting for the Rights and Equality of BA..so what's the point? Voting as a Civic Duty has gotten BA NOTHING..We need a different strategy and different way of fighting for the Rights and Equality for BA because voting is getting us NOWHERE..🤔
AIPAC money defeated Mr. Bowman 🤬!!
Bowman defeated Bowman. He played games with his votes in Congress, as well as his support for President Biden, and it backfired on him. He basically wrote AIPAC's ads for them.
Yes and J Street disowned him. They'd already gotten their Iron Dome vote, which - among other things - cost him a lot of the progressive base that helped get him elected in the first place. You have no shot at beating re-districting when you've fractured your base. Karen's right, the Dems do play the long game.
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Jamaal did it to himself.
And people didn't vote...
Not partisan. It's about white supremacy.
Say it louder for the dummies in the back.
I'm black and I don't support Jamaal Bowman, what does that have to do with white sumpremacy?
@@HypnoticHollywood Don't feed this bot/troll.
@@HypnoticHollywood.....If you're black you should be familiar with white supremacy and how it functions. And if you are asking what this has to do with white supremacy then you should educate yourself further. Because comment sections are just for that purpose. Comments. Not catching up to speed in 2024.
@@MsSnu..Is that what you call it now when you're in the dark ?? Trolling ?? 😂😂😂
I am a big fan of Mr. Joe Madison having listened to him since he was on AM radio. Ms. Karen Hunter is my new hero. She is continuing to deliver the right message to wake us up and get engaged. Kudos to you Ms. Hunter since this is the most profound thing I heard in a while.
thank you.
I miss Ole Joe in the morning. But for a Minute I could have Swore I Heard Karen Hunter say a Cuss word one time. I was about to call her Josephine Madison😂😂😂😂
We lack political discipline so we suffer the consequences
Quick question and this is an honest one. He pulled a fire alarm to stop a vote. Is that political discipline? I hate the government so I am just asking and not trying to be a gotcha question?
*We also lack a critical thinking **#PoliticalEducation**!*
@@michaeltudda8462 Is pulling more money than any primary in HISTORY worst than pulling an alarm?
@@CrownsofDrapetomania Pulling? Don't you donate to elections? And its was a democratic election. I want to understand you correctly and not be disrespectful?
If we lack political discipline, then why are the two political parties coming after out support. Speak for your yourself; Perhaps u lack political discipline. U don't speak for Black people.
'How easy it is to control people who are predictable". FACTS
We can't repeat 2016. Period.
The fact that WE don’t vote in the primaries is why we lose! I have been saying this to anyone who would listen. We can change everything in a single primary election but WE don’t vote 😢
Exactly, That's why Louisiana have a very Conservative Governor now. Black people didn't vote!!
I never understand being "apathetic" at this point. We're losing unnecessarily. I blame the collision of politics & aggressive emotionalism. We need political tactical & strategic awareness, urgently.
Amen. When you have strategy, you don’t worry about your people being fickle or apathetic. People with a plan are not afraid of the future. We should be RUNNING to this election like those soldiers in “300”. We must focus. And STRATEGIZE.
Power To The People ✊🏾
Politics IS emotional; the minute Dems get that they will do better. Tap into emotions that’s what anyone who wins does. It goes beyond message and strategy. It’s emotions.
@@robyndonaldson1307 That will be our undoing. We need emotional maturity asap.
@@jonrych we do but my point is what often drives people and moves the needle are emotions-- whatever they are- fear, hope, revenge, etc.
@@robyndonaldson1307 that’s what we need to correct
Jamal slammed Israel and that was the End..
No strategy.
IT MEANS WE NEED TO STOP TALKING!!! …In the words of Kwame Ture… “ORGANIZE!, ORGANIZE! …ORGANIZE!”
As he used to answer his phone… “Ready for the revolution!” …YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT READY FOR THE REVOLUTION!!!⚡️🔱⚔️
Karen and others TALK TOO MUCH!!! Other groups work behind the scene but Karen type is about talking
@@aloziecnwachukwu1515 We need the talkers too. It is them who tell the rest of us why we need to organize.
@@aloziecnwachukwu1515Without dialogue, there is only emotion. Without them both, you have no direction. Our young people are being corrupted to the point of indifference or looking at Trump as an attractive choice. He should NEVER be a choice! And the Dems are a laughingstock! Most of them bow to money and power. Leaning Left to gain the votes and then renege on campaign promises. Green New Deal ring a bell?
Are we going to talk about how Hillary Clinton endorsed Latimar!?
we did.
Or the millions aipac spent on latimer the most money ever spent on a primary a foreign lobby basically elected him and instead of talking about aipac the biggest lobby we have in the us ppl are talking about their grievesess wuth Jamal of trying to spin it on blk folks 😒
What does the Congresstional Black Caucas do??? I rarely hear anything they are doing for the cause or the culture....🤔🤷🏾♀️
I like how this lady thinks. We have to be strategic, we cant be loyal to a party. Black people just dont get it.
I really hate that he lost. He made a few missteps. Seems like ever since he pulled that fire alarm he has been targeted. I didn’t know his district had been redrawn, though.
ikr! I have three family members in his district ages 67, 41, 40 and they did not vote for him because they said they were turned off by his bs!
17 million from big lobbying groups pushing false narratives vs 3 million grassroots donors he just couldn’t overcome that
@@trisha1989what bs ??
@@yassine8935 my aunt talked about the fire alarm and what she perceived as not supporting Bidens agenda (no votes) basing Democrats
He didn't just pull the fire alarm. You can see in the full video that he took/knocked down the emergency exit signs from the doors first. My guess is he had marching orders to delay that vote. Maybe the Dems didn't quite have all their ducks in a row.
This race showed me,"When people show you who they are, believe them!"
The corporate establishment didn't want Bowman to have that power.
Alarms should be blaring loudly today. This is a direct hit 🎯 to Democracy and people are apathetic as it occurs.
Shame on NYers for the low voting turnout. Where were these progressive for Rep. Jamaal Bowman? They do a lot of talking online but when it counts they don't show up.
What have Bowman done for his black American constituents?
Great point about voting in the primaries! Excellent point.
Was Bowman as vocal for Black people in his district as he was for the people in Gaza? Did he get money for community centers,job programs, anything? I truly don't know.
Exactly!
84% of the Bronx voted for Bowman.
"Everybody" loves him but nobody actually follows him. Boom 💥
Everybody loves Joe Biden I see you still stupid man been in Congress for 47 years you waiting but you can't name three things he did for just for black people Bk DJ the transsexuals executive order open the border for immigrants but he did nothing for blacks you still waiting like a slave use the idiot
I really like him, but was disappointed when he joined the Squad.
@cheryl8023 oh no, that was the quote about Jesus. Still, that's interesting. A lot of people actually thought more of him when he did. Why were you disappointed?
@@cheryl8023Explain.What is wrong with the squad.? Are they not suppose to represent America along with everyone else?
Reese is correct as well.
Wm play the wm ws race card but we don't vet them.
AIPAC BOUGHT THIS ONE !!! Respect to Mr Jamaal Bowman the Democratic party establishment sold him out....
No they didn't, dark money sunk him, he spoke up for Palestine and Israel peace, the powers don't want that, they want to see Israel slaughter the Palestinians, that's what got him sunk.
Sadly, the same people who paid for him to lose are also paying for the "democrat" who just won to lose in November.
What did Bowman do for his community while in congress?
@@tivmego Alot, go educate yourself.
@@MistaWallSt
And you couldn't name one?
I used to think some are not critically thinking, however STRATEGY is a component neglected to be considered in the PLAN! Yes, it's tiring but necessary for victory!
The Democratic party is more divided than we think especially at the local level here in New York. Also, outside money is influencing US elections nationally and locally which is disturbing; with the rise of social media voters are becoming extremely misinformed. Oh, Latimer is racist!
it always has been...
Yeah misinformed by democrats, the same people that tell you that men can have kids
Yeah misinformation from sodom and gamour democrats, the fools that tell you men can have kids
Prof Hunter is on point. A national strategy is needed to register some black and brown people as republican, in these gerrymandered districts. It is not just about race but about policy and power. The Poor Peoples campaign is keying in on some of this strategy under Rev. Barber's leadership.
Jamal bowman defeat tell us that he was never in a black American district, his district is primarily Caribbean immigrants African immigrants Latino immigrants. The other half was a bunch of white moderates in New York State.
APAC went after him because his district was not black American. And could easily be persuaded via anti-black American sentiment ,
This would never happen in a black majority district across the black south.
And by black, I mean, black and American (descendants of USA chattel slavery)
Powerful episode!! I had to do replay. You know what is happening.
Excellent question… what do we want? I will think about it but the first thing I want is representation …stop splitting our districts to reduce our AA voices. It goes back to taxation without representation. 2. Removal of qualified immunity for police officers. 3. While we are giving extra funds to recent migrants… there should be communication of what grants our communities have access to improve their financial situations, elimination of price gouging…stop playing into the hands of big business. If I continue with points ppl can get overwhelmed.
yup...but that requires a strategy, right?
@@KarenHunterShow oooo Ms. Karen, most definitely. There are several plays that could be made but the start is simple: Identify the ppl within the community that know how the hill really works and those working at "foundations" similar to the "Heritage Foundation" but with the purpose of equality and fighting for the community. Invite some voices to a small "summit" and let the brainstorming begin. It will be a lot of work, but every large endeavor has a small start.
Brought to you by vote blue no matter who and money in politics. I've had friends who would vote in Republican primaries in an attempt control who runs in the general. Not a bad strategy, but one of many tools. The problem is no one wants to do the research to vote for progressives in primaries and fail to understand the concept of voting down ballot. I always tell people, you can contribute to campaigns and volunteer for them, regardless if you can vote for them. People think it starts and stops at the ballot box, but the truth is it starts long before we get to the ballot box.
He shouldn't have even been able to still run after pulling that fire alarm anyway
*The regular-smegular Black Joe and Jane can not money wise compete with these **#SuperPACS** that are out there. The (TWO)most powerful things that Black people can exert, is UNITY and their VOTE.* 🗳️
Black people can take ownership of power. If the successful, powerful and wealthy blacks could combine or partner up to create a conglomerate just like wealthy whites, we could do some things.
Black people are expected to put everyone else’s issues a head of our own. There’s also a lack of organizations within the community educating the people on politics. It’s just get out the vote.
This 👆👏
Black people don't have a solid lobbying crew or a unified agenda...period.
Old white lady here. I live in a mixed neighborhood in a red state. I have been working with minority voters to help get out the vote. My political views align with my black neighbors because their success would ensure my success. Any white person who doesn’t agree with that is kidding themselves. Smart, reasonable, kind people have to work together or we are all lost.
@@KarenHunterShowwhich is why some of us are thinking about getting passports and leaving instead of continuing to fight a losing battle.
Bowman's suffered because he lacked the grass roots.😊
Who cares about Bowman living he sold out just like the Progressives and CBC.
It's all about political power. His area was gerrymandered by people who have political power. This should tell us to come together and fight for our issues and most of all vote in mass before white supremacists takes away our vote
I am HERE for the idea of NOT being predictable. I hope we will carry these thoughts with us and prepare for the NEXT fight in 4 years. Whatever happens this November, we have to change the way we engage in politics. These devils don’t take time off. Neither should we.
I feel like we are seeing the meshing of the traditional Moderate Conservative into the Centrist Democratic party, which is feeling to me like they are shifting to the right. This will be difficult for our Progressive heroes. It is time for the more Progressive wing of the party to apply the same pressure to the establishment Dems that MAGA supporters have hoisted onto theirs. I love the idea of crossing party lines for the purposes of voting in their primaries. I lead a citizen action group in Florida, and we also kicked around the idea.
I like this idea, too! Strategic politics is what we need. Great to see folks fighting!
Power To The People✊🏾
Democrats have been moving right since the Clinton era. Honestly, Progressives need to be a separate party. Centrist Dems are in the same bed as Republicans, including MAGA. They have the same donors. The difference is Centrist Dems are always ready to compromise with the Republicans and the Republicans have no interest in governing, at least not for progress. Centrist Dems would rather work with Republicans than Progressives. That's just fact.
Yeah. Go ahead and vote for the Maga Republicans how do you like your Apartheid served! Do black people have to not see but relive the 60's for them to realize what is going on! 20% of the black people voted and this is why black are going to lose and suffer!!!
The democratic party shifted to center/ center right years ago. Actually right after the Jimmy Carter presidency. Maybe not in speech but definitely in deeds.
The Democrats have been moving to the right since the Clinton era and they have clearly demonstrated that they would rather compromise with the right and the far-right, than work with progressives.
This loss, given the amount of money spent, is another example of desperation. Additionally, it demonstrates the short- sightedness of Eurofacing voters.
This is an example of talking too much and fighting for the wrong narrative. All thoughts about polarizing subjects do not need to be commented. The opponent or other side watched and used it against him. We are letting our emotions drive our actions and we are not be strategic. We are playing checkers and others are playing chess. We have to be smarter
Very much so!
The GOP owns the SCOTUS because they had a strategy and they executed it. We cannot roll through this society without a strategy. I remember when you said that. I wasn't angry with you because you had a STRATEGY.
It's whiteness
Lmao, no one cares when 30 plus black folk get tagged in one weekend in one city. Black communities destroyed themselves. Talkn bout GANG GANG.
I guess it's easy to blame others rather than be accountable
Isn't this a case of a Forgien country meddling in American politics 😂😂
I learned from this race and constituents in his district that this loss reflects a national vs. local or online vs real-life divergence in voter's values. Most of the online discussions seemed to focus on his advocacy for Palestine. However, he was down in support as shown in the Mellman Group Poll before AIPAC lent support. AOC won her race but she is very connected in her community and has similar positions to Bowman. As an incumbent, I think it would have been a better move for him to focus on his contributions to his community than have that eclipsed by the national conversation on Palestine.
You are absolutely correct. AOC is much active in her district Jamaal Bowman. In fact, I met AOC at a Kwanzaa event at the New York Public Library in Queens. Meanwhile, Jamal Bowman, who I did vote for in the primary, isn't seen out and about in the district.
He gave the appearance of not caring for Black people, but caring for others. Even if this wasn’t true how you are perceived by the public in the media is very important. Think before you speak.
Money talk in the political arena, and if you don't agree with the rich you'll be voted against.
This one falls on Hillary. Bowman's gerrymandered district is predominantly republican now. I don't think the Democrats will retain this district further contributing to congressional dysfunction 😢
Hillary didn't stop 80% of black people from voting!!
He has a majority Jewish base and he did not vote in there favor simple as that
Saw a narrative that says every synagogue in the area turned out in large numbers & early. Fact or not, that is the needed behavior.
I'm sorry Jamal Bowman lost his Primary, Prof. Hunter.
I believe he was outmatched by the 'special interest' big money donors whose strategically placed lying ads were just overwhelming.
This was a good brotha who has been making a difference for his constituents. All this didn't matter when it counted since redistricting also assisted in his loss.
It's a sad day for Mr. Bowman, but moreso for our politics since it shows us that money sadly appears to have more of an influence on our elections than someone who can make a difference in the lives of his constituents.
It is a SAD day indeed!💯
D’s are moving from left to center! Not far left to center but more like just to the side of the middle to the middle. D’s also can’t continue to call out Jewish Pacts on one hand for the atrocities in Gaza and then ask for money with the other hand.
When have they been left?
@@thorntonwilliams3851 good point!
@@thorntonwilliams3851 Exactly! If they were left we wouldn’t have the issues that are happening now.
Not since the mid 70s. They talk the talk. But they don't walk the walk. @@thorntonwilliams3851
In the post-Kennedy-Nixon debate world, I don't see how latimer won.
Latimier and Aipac have not won yet! The people in that district who don't like what happened to Bowman, need to vote for the most suitable Republican candidate in the general election. Form new alliances.
If Dems were to focus on 3 issues, we would criticize that too.
Bowman didn’t focus on his base enough. Black politicians rub the intersectional route and it doesn’t work. Focus on your people 1st and loudly. If you can’t do that then don’t run. We aren’t going to care.
Yes this is happening to people of color all over America and for Florida this is worse. I am saddened by the Jamaal Bowman loss.
Sister Karen you made some powerful points. It’s hits home for me because I come from the Bronx. Even though I don’t live there now. That area still means a lot to me. So not having brother Bowman representing the people. It’s a scary time ! I still have friends from grade school. Who still live in the Boogie down. That will be affected by this primary outcome. As you said we have to be more strategic when it comes to politics in general. You make valid points.
redistricting will always be a hinderance to success. apathy and discontent is the other. money talks and common sense walks, walks people away from the own best interest. y'all gonna learn!!!!
The other guy can’t even look us directly in our eyes
🤭
He's very bipartisan,he can look at the left side of the aisle and the right side of the aisle at the same time.
@@davidsheriff9274 😂😂😂😂 I guess that’s a good thing
Honestly, the lesson is that we should not waste our political capital helping other communities that do not necessarily share our interests and/or agenda. I sympathize with the Palestinian plight, but we needed Jamal’s vote for African American voting rights, the George Floyd Police reform Act, expansion of the Supreme Court, etc.
He's a "threatening" black man. Black men in politics have speak soft and eloquent. Everyone else can do what they want.
I will never stop saying I want reparations. I will never stop voting.
smart
,I guess it beats working
What does that mean? What does that look like to you?
@@sl123sl very ignorant...ever been in an accident? back pain? are you owed $$$ for the harm? now multiply that back pain by 400 years of injury. it's not complicated but I guess it's easier to be dumb and comment out of your ignorance than TRY to understand why reparations are owed.
@@KarenHunterShow you are beyond ridiculous...i suppose we should go back to the beginning of time and figure out who is owed what....and take into consideration all the crime committed...as well as all government handouts over the years and affirmative action....but this is the direction of the country...a steep and rapid decline...congrats
FBA 💯
They redraw to withdraw!
Had nothing to do with it......
Dr. Hunter, You are so ON POINT about Politics in general. We need AGENCY; An ULTIMATE and SUBSTANTIAL POWER BASE that's consistently navigates STRATEGICALLY in Primaries and General Elections. No folks we aren't quite WOKE yet! DEMOCRATS: We need a New PLAY BOOK !!!
Great topic,Karen. Love and Blessings. Truth and Justice. Louder and Stronger.⭐🌹🌹⭐😎☮️
You are right about folk following Jesus and doing nothing that Jesus stood for.
From a Georgian, not getting voting rights was THE nail….😢
I’ll take reparation thank you.
The Democrats have two overarching priorities that most of us experience:
1. Vote Blue
2. Send donation using Act Blue.
🙂
The Apathetic is the biggest voting block.
I don’t vote to place my trust in corrupt politicians. I vote as a defense to stop the bleeding. I agree, we should have listened to you and played defense in 2015.
Dr Carr called this defeat!
The experts are saying he made a lot of missteps, saying missteps is being nice, it's was just stupid the thing he did and said.
Apparently, stuff is going so good right now, that there is no need to bother to vote.
Damn, I was praying that he won but knew in my heart that the cards weren’t in his favor
I'm a left leaning moderate. I think Mr. Bowman's mistake was not recognizing that BOTH Hamas and Netanyahu are responsible for the atrocities happening to the Palestinians in Gaza.
😂 take garbage 🗑️ out here.
And, not recognizing that most of his constituents are Jews, what did he expect.
Bowman Never said anything about either side he wanted a ceasefire…he voted against an antisemitism bill that AIPAC supported.. Bowman was correct.. that is going against the 1st amendment.. that bill if you are BDS or say anything about Israel that is a CRIME.. that crazy 🤪 .. he is a smart man taking a fall .. but he will GET UP✌🏽
Hamas has no political power. Netanyahu is the president so all the atrocities are on him. Brutalizing the Palestinians because of Hamas is collective punishment, and that's wrong.
Jamaal bowman lost his seat because he was so worried about things that wasn't his concern. His first responsibility was to his constituents not Gaza. Not the progressive agenda. The people who voted him in. He wasn't doing that.
@Karen if we can't get something as simple as reparations and a anti crime bill what else is there? Love? Justice? Student loans and grants? What's left to demand??
All of this!!! Thank you God Bless 🙌🏽
Prof Hunter you really made me think about how dedicated black and brown folks are to the democratic Party while at the same time not understanding the nature of Politics in the country today. Just a few (4) generations back black folk were in the party of Lincoln. We do not have the memory of being republican. It has become necessary for us to be strategic about how we participate in party politics, especially in these highly gerrymandered districts. Thanks for saying it out loud. We better listen...
So reparations is the can that we just keep kicking down the road. Thank God that our ancestors were brave and took huge risks.......
$25 million is difficult to overcome.
Reparations 😂 hook, line, sinker! The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was telling people he wasn't real.
Serious advocates for reparations have never said don't vote. #ADOS founders #AntonioMoore and #YvetteCarnell suggest that if you don't like the Presidential Candidates leave that part of the ballot blank and vote Democrat down the the remainder of the ballot.
Back in the day when I lived in NYC, I was a registered Independent. I didn't know I couldn't vote during the primaries. I've been trying to reconcile this game ever since. Taking notes here.
I have been done with the US empire.
New Yorkers voted for Santos. Something going on up there. I’m not from there but I always considered the area, primarily Democratic.
We don’t have the money to compete.
Yes! It's telling us to sit down, shut up, and mind your business.
The answer is mandatory voting
#QueenMaDukez went #HardInThePaint
“How easy is it to control people that are predicable”… and shout out from Memphis-10… and I see you my sista Karen… and I agape love you… power to HIS chosen🎳
They wanted to get that black man outta there by all cost, smh
You are taking so dam dum tell me one thing that he's done
He’s an idiot! Glad he’s gone.
@@BryanSeldon-eg5szOkay, bot account found. 4mo. account. I sent it to IC3.
@BryanSeldon-eg5sz hope you dont talk as ignorant as you spell
they wrote that way so they don't get their comment deleted.
His Loss is telling us that APAC which is an Isreal lobby has way too much power in American politics , they spent over 25mil in that race & not surprised he lost.
"Poor ppl campaign" is how the Dems need to move/message if they are truly repping the ppl....
Bowmans district is mostly Jewish ppl. His stance on Isreal lost him his seat.
Thanks Karen for sharing this information. I liked your idea of registering republican so you can learn what their agenda is. I did that a few elections ago then changed back .I still get literature from republican party in some election cycles.
I remember when you told us to register as Republicans, I live in a closed primary state and I got the run around when I went to change it so I just vote republican as a registered Democrat in the primaries and the general election.
"Where we go from here" MLK jr, published in 1968. Go take a read and we will realize what he saw as the problem. We have not come as far as we think.
I was going along till I got to 10:25 minutes.
Have you heard of democracy, freedoms, Healthcare, education, dignity as a human, infrastructure, Supreme Court?
How do I know these things and someone's who's paid to know does not?
People saying George Latimer is a racist for pointing out that Jamaal Bowman's rhetoric alienated and ignored other demographic groups in his constituency is wild to me. He did not run a sophisticated campaign and clearly was not the best candidate for this district. I just read George Latimer's bio and platform, and also reviewed the districts demographics, and it's easy to see why beating Jamaal Bowman was light work. Sorry fam, it sucks, but it's true.
It means money still talks.
jamaal pulled that fire alarm so hard and sold himself
marjorie green start this scare tactic and, it work. she went 100 on him when he pulled the alarm.