Mecca is NOT Mentioned in the Bible | with Joshua Bowen, PhD
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- 00:00 Background and Degrees of Dr. Joshua Bowen
02:40 What do we know about Bible locations?
06:58 Types of Psalms
09:30 Psalm 84 and the Valley of Baca
12:37 Is Baca a name place?
15:01 What is Zion?
18:41 Where is the Wilderness of Paran? Is it Arabia?
23:36 The Absurdity of Islamic Claims of Paran
3 Questions:
25:14 Did Israelites have a connection with Mecca?
27:33 Did Abraham build the Kaaba?
32:02 Is the Kaaba significant to the ancient Near East?
34:35 Dr. Bowen's Book on the Old Testament
35:43 Sumerian - Digital Hammurabi
Links to Dr. Joshua Bowen:
The Atheist Handbook to the Old Testament Joshua Bowen (2021) (tinyurl.com/4jj2tcny)
Learn to Read Ancient Sumerian for the Absolute Beginner Joshua Bowen & Megan Lewis (2020) (tinyurl.com/yatg8ty3)
Sumerian Classes on @the_flavor : • 📜📜 Learning to Read An...
Did the Old Testament Endorse Slavery? Joshua Bowen (2020) (tinyurl.com/y6uytbkv)
Learning to Pray in a Dead Language: Education and Invocation in Ancient Sumerian Joshua Bowen (2020) (tinyurl.com/2f5rd7tc)
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Dr. Joshua Bowen was kind enough to talk to me about Biblical locations, the Psalms, the Valley of Baca, the Desert of Paran, and more. He specifically answered my questions about Mecca, the Kaaba, and Abraham. Thereby, he greatly helped debunk Islamic narratives which try to connect the Kaaba to Abrahamic religion. I am very grateful and I will have him back soon.
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What the Bible scholar is not saying that the events in the Quran are historically acurate??? Noooo
AP, someday you must invite Darkmatter 2525 to talk about İslam.
Hope you will read my comment.
@Apostate Prophet can you check psalms 122 i believe it can help you"I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the Lord.
2 Our feet shall stand within thy gates, O Jerusalem." This psalms is atributed to David so David can talk about the temple while the temple didn't exist it destroys khalil's point
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Darkmatter what a weird name.
@@greylonewolf8750 Why? FecalMatter2525 is historically illiterate and his brain-cell-destroying cartoons are baseless caricatures. Guy doesn't even know what the Byzantine Empire was
Am waiting for that one Muslim who would say "He doesn't understand Arabic" and should have asked a scholar.😂😂😂
Nah team Muhammadman will get to move the GoalPosts with a mentally unhealthy dose of Whataboutery. As I think we both know they are queens of Denial.
I am an Assyrian, I would love to hear this guest talk about my peoples' history! I know this may appear unrelated, but the endless genocide of my people to the hands of the Muslims is almost never spoken of anywhere. I feel like you have the perfect platform for this A.P.
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
Become a Muslim and join your Assyrian people, you are not the first and will not be the last
@@backfire4468 🤡🤡🤡
@@backfire4468 I am an Assyrian because when my ancestors were given the option to surrender to Islam or fight, they fought. You are a Muslim today because your ancestors were too afraid to fight and gave up. They surrendered because they were afraid. You are of that lineage, never forget
@@realblackmilky you mean, through all this 1400 years in the middle east the Muslims were afraid of forcing the religion on the Assyrian because they were afraid 🤣 brah , come on
Muslims always say "are you a scholar? Are you a scholar??" when we talk about the Quran. But they don't hesitate to interpret the Bible anyway they like. Such hypocrites.
They interpret science too the way they want when it doesn't match their scriptures.
Islamic studies 101
This goes for all Muslims.
Those Muslims that don’t say anything are not Muslims cos they know the stuff written in the quran and hadiths are BS.
m.ruclips.net/video/u9qLuCoiX-k/видео.html
The words scholar and Islam are opposites
Muslims will pull out the 'Bible is corrupted' card now that an actual Bible scholar is looking into this 😄.
What did he say that refutes the islamic perspective. He wasnt sure about most things and this a scholar🤔
That card always comes into play when the claims in the Quran get questioned
@@trustme7660 it was a question?
@@user-nx5be4sw6w he said Muslims will pull out the.”Bible is corrupted card” now that an actual scholar is looking into this.
So yes the claims in the Quran are being questioned.
@@user-nx5be4sw6w He's being careful so that his head will still be on his shoulders
Muhammad's claim the Kaaba was built by Abraham was a baseless lie - "And we're proud of dat!"
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
7, 40, 3 and 40 are major numbers in the Abrahamic religions. 7 is important because God created the world in 7 days. Jericho was destroyed in 7 days. You guys go around the mountains of kabaa 7 times which has nothing to do with God.
@@madinahcolakoglu9200
Everything is wrong
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 Jews do it because as the other commenter
said 7 is a important number. Aside that, you're trying to connect something that's not a connection. By your logic. Pagans used to go around the kaba 7 times, muslims adopting that ritual makes islam derive from paganism? If you'd say no. Then don't make this absurd connection either
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 Islam copied off other religions. Thats the most logical explanation of these vague connections. Not the other way around that: Judaism was originally christianity. Thats just stupidity and no jew scholar would agree with u.
From a Christian, hopefully this guy doesn't start receiving de@th threats from followers of the religion of peace
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!!
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 wow you just copy and paste you are legitimately right not just a belligerent 1d1ot stfu.
Eh you don't have to be a Christian or a Jewish person to be showered with islamic love, their ideas of Jihad ruins anyone's day.
@The Bible is a trinitarian book ruclips.net/video/N34rp3iXqV8/видео.html Moses to Mecca by Avi Lipkin
@Noham Adbisbiubankim ruclips.net/video/N34rp3iXqV8/видео.html Moses to Mecca by Avi Lipkin
Now we're talking!
What have you learned?
Jesus loves you ❤️
@@Luiz-jr3lp and i ❤️ him
Let me explain to you what is the history behind the Kaaba is according to scholars too.
Mohsin Fani wrote in The Dabistan (~1645 AD):
According to the learned, the Kaaba (the cubic temple at Makka) is an emblem of the sun, on which account it is right [for astral worshippers] to worship it; and the well Zem Zem signifies likewise ‘the great luminary,’ as Hakim Khakani said relative to both:
O Kaaba, thou traveler of the heaven!
O Zem Zem, thou fire of the world!
Hajer Ul Asvad, ‘the Black Stone at Makka,’ represents the body of Venus,
which on the border of the heavens is a star of the planets.
In the above quotation, Venus is said to be “on the border of the heavens” because Venus is only observable near the east and west horizons shortly after sunset and shortly before sunrise. The inner planets and the moon normally cannot be seen against the backdrop of the sun.
How did “the learned” come to possess this knowledge that the Kaaba represented the sun? The information was passed down from pre-Islamic times. Of course the knowledge could only be discretely passed along for fear of the Islamists who tried to stamp out any untoward teaching about Islam or Muhammad. Without such discretion, many memes of information could easily become just so many nails in an academic’s coffin.
The learned had plenty of facts at hand by which they could confirm the validity of traditions. For instance, Al Kalbi (died 821-822 AD/206 AH) wrote in The Book of the Idols that Allat had sacred “stones,” and that “Allat stood in Al Ta'if...She [Allat] was a cubic rock....”
There were other facts that showed the Kaaba was basically the betyl of a goddess. In pre-Islamic times, Allah the moon-god’s consort would have been Allat the sun-goddess. The Satanic Verses suggest that Allah’s “house” was in fact a betyl for his consort and daughters:
The Arabic word Kaaba is feminine. The cubic building actually represents Allat’s breast, as the etymology of the word Kaaba informs us: “Arabic ka‘ba, cube, cubic structure, from ka‘aba, to swell, be full (said of breasts).”
The Kiswa blanket over the Kaaba indicates that the Kaaba is the home of a goddess. Such coverings have a long history. The Bible records that female shrine prostitutes wove such “houses” (Hebrew: Beit) for the Venus goddess Ashtorah (YLT 2Ki 23:07).
The Kaaba was called the Bait Allah, or “the House of Allah,” but the Kaaba could just as well have been called Bait Allat after Allah’s consort. Francis Burton visited the Kaaba and reported on the presumed femininity of the Kaaba.
The part of the cover [Kiswa], covering the door, is called [a] Burka just like the veil [Burka] the Arabic women are wearing in front of their face...
Robert Eisler wrote similarly:
In fact, Arab mystics even compare the Ka’aba to a virgin, adorned with her
finest wedding-dress. Comp. Lenormant p. 154, quoted a verse of Abd-er-Rahin el Buray ‘and the Ka’aba, the bride of Makka, is shining newly adorned with (wonder) signs’.... Then the clothing of the Ka’aba would be the remains of an old feast that represented the hierogamy [Greek: sacred marriage] of the deity.
The fact that Allat was an Arabian sun-goddess and that she was represented by cubic rocks helped confirm in the ancient’s mind that the cubic Kaaba did indeed represent the sun-goddess. By extension, these facts allowed the ancients to refer to the sun as the heavenly Kaaba that traveled the skies.
Also by extension, the ancients knew that the Black Stone was Venus since the Black Stone was set into a corner of the cubic Kaaba. The planet Venus was always observed to be near the sun.
The crescent-shaped Hatim Wall, the cubic Kaaba and the Black Stone were the moon, the sun and Venus. An ancient way of symbolizing the moon, the sun and Venus would be: (crescent-square-star), which looks a lot like the outline of an overhead view of the Hatim Wall, the Kaaba and the Venus Black Stone (see several photos of the Kaaba and Hatim Wall).
Malise Ruthven recounts another astral tradition about the Kaaba:
The earliest Muslim sources suggest that the pre-Islamic cult of the Kaaba had some astronomical significance. The historian Masudi (896-956 [AD]) [in Murudj, iv. 47] stated that certain people had regarded the Kaaba as a temple dedicated to the sun, moon and the five visible planets (making up the mystical figure of seven, the number of circumambulations required for each Tawaf). The story that there were exactly 360 idols placed round the temple also points to an astronomical significance [360 = 12 months of 30 days each]. Among the votive gifts said to have been offered to the idols were golden Suns and moons
[Al Azraki, p. 155 sqq.]
The 360 idols around the Kaaba reminds one of how the ancient Babylonian myth Enuma Elish relates that Marduk, god of Jupiter, lined the skies with 300 gods who acted as guards. Incidentally, Allah’s ninety-nine names (Quran 7:180; 59:24)3518 reminds one of Marduk’s fifty names.3519
The historian Masudi (896-956 AD) provides information that tends to confirm the above-mentioned traditions. He wrote in the Golden Meadows:
The Haranian Sabians have temples according to the names of the intellectual substances and the stars...(the temple) of Saturn is hexagonal; of Jupiter, triangular; of Mars, long (rectangular); the sun square [like the cubic Kaaba]; that of Venus, a triangle in a quadrangle; that of Mercury, a triangle
inside an elongated quadrangle, and that of the moon, octagonal [like the Dome of the Rock].
One can infer from Masudi’s writing that the cube part of the Kaaba, not
including the crescent-shaped Hatim Wall, is a sun-god temple. The medieval scholars knew because they went on the Hajj and they read about Makka. Masudi’s information also shows that the Dome of the Rock is a moon-god temple as shown by its octagonal shape.
Ibn Ishaq wrote that there was a plaque at the Kaaba that said:
I am Allah the Lord of the Bakka [Makka]. I created it [the Kaaba] on the day [on Friday, according to Al Tabari (839-923 AD) that I created heaven and earth and formed the sun and moon and I surrounded it with seven pious
angels.
Friday was the day of Venus in the astrological week. Note how Islamic tradition places the creation of all the astral bodies on Friday, the same that Muslims weekly attend Mosque for Friday Prayers.
Ibn Ishaq also wrote:
By the Black Stone, when they stroke it,
When they go around it morning and evening.
So the pre-Islamic Makkans made sure to touch the Black Stone in the morning and evening. Venus, the Morning and Evening Star, is often visible during these times
In the ninth century, Nicetas also speaks of the ‘idol of Xoubar’...said to represent Aphrodite.
John of Damascus identifies Xabar or Xaber (he uses two forms) with both Aphrodite herself and with the Ka’aba, which according to him represents the head of the pagan goddess.
John of Damascus (~675-749 AD) said that even during his day the Black Stone
still had traces of the head “of the Semitic Venus (i.e. the Greek Aphrodite).”
John of Damascus knew Arabic but he was writing in Greek. His Greek transliteration of Kaaba was Kabar. John used the same term Xabar for the Black Stone affixed to the Kaaba.
The eighth-century Byzantine writer, Georges the Monk, said that Muslims worshipped “god...the moon and Aphrodite.”The moon might refer to the crescent-shaped Hatim wall, and Aphrodite is the Greek version of Venus and may refer to the Venus Black Stone.
Constantine Porphyrogenitus’ book, De Administrando Imperio (The Administration of the Empire) (950 AD), states about Muslims:
They pray also to the star of Aphrodite which they called Koubar, and in their supplication cry out ‘Allah Oua Koubar, that is, God and Aphrodite. For they call God ‘Alla; and Oua they use for the conjunction and they call the star Koubar. And so they say ‘Alla Oua Koubar.
Evidently, the author Constantine Porphyrogenitus confused the word Akbar in
the phrase, Allahu Akbar (Allah is great!), with the word for the Kaaba, or the word that John of Damascus used for the Kaaba: Xaber.
The author of this ruler’s training book wrote specifically for the Byzantine emperor. So one can see that the emperors believed the Kaaba was at least a Venus goddess shrine, if not a shrine for Allah the moon-god.
@Constantine Mithras What do u mean ? Please give a further explanation
Let's all take a *moment of silence while remembering the now buried Kaaba claims!*
We had a good laugh!
Indeed a good laugh.
Can you send this link to hamza
They are waching
@@takinarditakinardi3199 🤣🤣🤣
Pore lost sheap
@@takinarditakinardi3199 U wouldn't
Christos from you're asstos .
Wow, Dr. Joshua is a very knowledgeable and humble person. He has so much interesting stuff going on which I didn't know existed. Thanks AP for bringing him to your channel.
Lol that why he says , may be , i dont know , u guess , can , could be , lol lol
@Muhammad Hakim How about you listen to the content and pick apart what he's saying rather than bitch about how he goes about his editing? I swear people with your amount of intellectual engagement eats up half-assedly edited videos like it's some sort of godsend, either, and no, the amount of "t"s in your "what" doesn't add to your point. I'm sorry, I know it's very difficult for you to wrap your head around that.
Also, to double down on your point, what do you think he would edit out to take away from his argument? so what if he edited the video? I doubt you would sit through the thing, anyway.
@Muhammad Hakim Also, your little playlist didn't debunk anything this guy said. If laughing fits and circlejerks would qualify as intellectual discourse for you, then that says something more about you than the people you listen to.
@@greenme7094 _Lol that why he says , may be , i dont know , u guess , can , could be , lol lol_
While you ignore it when he says, "is", "was", "we know", etc. Typical, ignore the facts and deflect to what supports what you think that doesn't change a single fact.
@Muhammad Hakim _Look at how heavily edited this video is, are you guys blind or whatttt????? Why didnt he streamed this or atleast upload the full thing ??_
Why? How does that affect what was shown? An obvious reason it was edited is because there is so much information he had to edit it down to a manageable length.
Dawood would say: *"Overkill is underrated!"*
Where is he actually?
@@DarkAngel-cj6sx He left the impression that he had enough of corrupt way that youtube is handling things right now.
@@NomenNescio99 I miss someone I don't know personally lol.
I hope he comes back
@@DarkAngel-cj6sx never heard of him but his channel uploaded several times in the last week so...he's here?
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
Dr. Bowen was being too nice. He knew the claims of Muslims of the Kaaba is a lie.
I thought so too
ruclips.net/video/u9qLuCoiX-k/видео.html
Hello my dear,
I just wanted to thank you a lot for what you do. It helped me a lot and saved my life in a way but I no longer watch your videos coz I'm finally Free from this craziness called Islam and I don't want to hear about anymore. I'm peaceful with myself. So thank you so much.
please never stop coz other muslims need to know and think about it. Wish you all the best in life.
You helped me practice English too 😂 🍀🙏
I love seeing Muslims in the comments trying to comfort themselves with ad hom arguments
Ya, like 9 year old cry babies. Fear of islamic hell shadows their capacity to think.
attack on Islam(titan)😂
Game, set and match. Sorry hamza and Khalil, your incredibly unscholarly argument just got ground into dust- by an actual scholar.
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 Except for the fact that Sinai is in Egypt, not Arabia...
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 You're trying to connect things that are not there.
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 26:47 Check out that map❗
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 you are clearly misrepresenting the bible here just so you can use it to fit it with your argument but it doesnt work. I have just one question for you and its a simple one: For all the pasages you used, DID YOU AT LEAST CHECK ON THEIR CONTEXT? Because when you read the whole chapter, you will see that you are missing the point and all your argument will fall down!
If the Kaaba was, is, maybe important in the Bible, it would be mentioned in the Old Testament on several times and in several places by various writers, but it does not. This raises the question of why?
Muhammed really screwed up by claiming that the Kaaba was mentioned in the OT, didn't he? All he had to do was not claim that this was started in Judaism...
Just for reference, the Old Testament mentions Jerusalem hundreds of times. So the lack of Mecca is a pretty strong argument against Muslims.
What is OT?
Not just the Bible, but in all sorts of ancient sources! And in the archaeological record
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
😂😂😂…. He’s like I study this and I study that mostly through Hebrew studies of the Bible. A Christian going through Jewish research and Hands-on research in Israel. Islam is going to have a melt down. Shared on Other Social Media. This was epic. SAFI
I don’t think the Scholar’s a Christian rather an Atheist
Ignorance and misinformation, no one even know who wrote the edited, changed and corrupt book bible that was compiled nearly a century after Jesus dies. Lmao pagans
@@khus7253 its ok adbool your religion is all a lie. Just leave islam and accept Jesus is the image of God
@@a1990sGamer HAHAHAHHA GOD DOESNT DIE, MY GOD DOESNT ANYWAY. MAYBE YOUR GOD IS WEAK?
@@khus7253 You're proving that Christians and Jews don't worship the same God that muslims worship. Thank you for that. Also your god is so weak it can only speak arabic and can't become human if it wanted to, now that's weak
Oh come on! The Kaaba is literally a pagan house and still a pagan house today! The Qur'an says it so.
Kissing a stone is adolatry.
I need to read more consistently read both testaments, off and on like a facet. He really knows the books,historical facts,God bless you both ,great piece, must watch second one.🇨🇦
Another very good book on this subject that is worth reading is Dan Gibson's "Quranic Geography". He goes into great detail on the many locations mentioned in the OT, and how they cannot be where some Muslims claim that they are.
This should be fun. Let's see the Muslim claims *collapse* using Facts and Logic.
Edit: It's funny how Muslims desperately defend they're claims in the comment section 😂
Their just going to attack the Bible it’s their only answer to questions about the claims made in the Quran
@Bug Mimz Joseph Smith is pretty much just the American version of Muhammad.
@Sumit Mishra 🎯
@@James-en1ob And Charles Manson was a Muhammad could-have-been had there not been a police force to stop him.
@Bug Mimz unfortunately my entire family pretends they believe this nonsense, it's a bit ironic as reading the book of Mormon sparked an interest in ancient history...which suggests the BoM is a fiction 🤷
What a scoop! EXCELLENT show. Love this sort of considered content.
Hurray! Dr Josh. He's great. Loving that you got him on, he really knows his onions, despite his modesty.
It's nice to see when people who have a lot of knowledge about something are quick to admit what they don't know.
Do muslims admit that too?
Smart person say yes for yes no for no, stupid will claim everything as fact .thats what momo is
It's not so nice to listen to arguments that the sun sets each night in a muddy puddle of water each night.. shooting stars keep the demon's out of heaven.. stupid stuff like that..
@Miles Mustafa no it's not
Excellent presentation. I never see someone like this on the side of Islam going through the scriptures and what other scholars methodically. Are they even any Muslim archeologist? Or is it too depressing for them to find no evidence? I haven't seen this type of knowledge about scriptures like the expert you presented here.
Saudi Arabia bans archeology ,they are very much afraid it would destroy islam ......and thats what a muslim from saudi arabia told me ...
@@blackmamba6253 It's true. They started digging at Mecca and found NOTHING. They quickly filled it back in and tried to forget about it...
@@blackmamba6253 I believe that. I read an article about Muslim land owners near the temple mount. It said they were destroying any artifacts they found if the dug into the ground for any reason. They lead to a program were Jews were buying up any property that went on sale there. They would disguise the fact that it was Jewish people buying it.
Because to them Allah knows best
@@palmindigo1995 they have fall back to that believing everything they see and hear from non Muslims is a big conspiracy against them. Islam works best in a closed society where people can point out even that archeology doesn't support any part of Islam. If Mecca can't be shown to have any artifacts that date it to ancient times the Quran falls all apart. If there was any evidence Muslims would be presenting to the world instead of their ridiculous attempts at twisting Jewish and Christian scripture to support them.
Didn't know about this before 30min ago. Looking forward to hearing the content. Praying for your health.
LET'S GO!
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 Galatians 4:30 But what does the Scripture say?"Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance of the free woman's son"
Exodus 13:6 For seven days eat bread made without yeast and on the seventh day hold a festival to the Lord...9 This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that the law of the Lord is to be on your lips.
The phylacteries are fastened in such a way as to symbolise the Feast of the Unleavened Bread, not as a pilgrimage.
@@dulcettones5536 so, I'm assuming somebody wrote something on my comment. Not sure what it was.
Was it biblical dissing?
@@dulcettones5536 also, I believe that Galatians 4:30 is talking about spiritual bondage of the person who did not believe and was damned in their sins versus when the person becomes a follower of Jesus, repents and becomes free from that damnation by the blood at home and of Christ, Jesus. Based on the context surrounding that verse.
Freedom from the condemnation (spiritual wages of sin) and bondage of the weight and necessity of sin is our inheritance upon our following of Jesus and renouncing wickedness and disbelief
Still unaware of what the original question was under my original comment though
@@dulcettones5536 ruclips.net/video/N34rp3iXqV8/видео.html Moses to Mecca by Avi Lipkin
Please help me tell David Wood that I miss him and I'm hoping he's doing well
I was actually very surprised and pleased at how impartial Professor Bowen tried to be here. Very well done.
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
Um your talking about the Saeder meal (sorry bad spelling), they are not supposed to literally go on a pilgrimage, it is call a pilgrimage meal because it was a meal their ancestors took before leaving Egypt, and the last supper of Jesus was this meal because he was the lamb that was to be sacrificed. There is more but RUclips comment section is a poor debate medium. Please understand the passage before you post it more then once.
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 So Jewish and Christian scriptures are corrupt according to Islam, and yet Islam tries to find itself in those scriptures? Can't have it both ways.
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 It is a related word, chag is just used as feast. chagag is the circle reference, although it is also a circle as in a reel - where a person spins around, rather than march in a circle.
חגג - châgag
BDB Definition:
1) to hold a feast, hold a festival, make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast, celebrate, dance, stagger
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to keep a pilgrim-feast
1a2) to reel
@Jesus or Muhammed do you believe this guy..lol he thinks that the Bible says that earth is flat lol you Christians
His *confusion* when you named Mecca
"Give me a moment sir" vibes
😂
We are proud of that 💪😊
This was great and it just Reiterates what we know about Islam. We know that it is based on lies and deceit and will not stand up to objective scrutiny. Way to go AP and thank you Dr. Bowen.
Exactly! So are the "other two" Abrahamic mythologies by the way! El Shaddai, hmmm... Shadu Rabu, Bel/Ba'al/I'lu Shadu "Lord of the Mount/Air", an ancient Mesopotamian deity, by other and similar cultures known by many names and titles, called "the Most High".
Yahweh... Yah, Yam the Judge of the River?
Every mythology has one source, why not seek for it and go back to the SOURCE? The Bible? Hahahaha, the stories of the Bible are, just like the Qur'an, plagiarized from much much much older stories.
Stories of the Great Flood already existed BEFORE the Old Testament by the way, in Sumer, Babylon, Egypt and even India.
To Christians here it's so hard to accept, like: "We know that Islam isn't true now but MY religion, Christianity TOO??? Nooo, that can't be, shut up, lies lies lieees!!! Jesus (Bacchus) is King!"
Yeah yeah, take everything from us polytheists and then claim our gods are demons?
Okay, then so is warrior storm deity, by your logic, Christians and Jews!!!
At least we "pagans" know the name of our gods and worship ALL OF THEM instead of taking a local deity of a Canaanite tribe and calling it "the only true G(?)od"...
🤭🤫🙄😒😅🤔🤨
Didn't have to delete us tho, or destroy our temples and build your synagoges, churches and mosques over 'em and burn our historical scriptures to ashes...🤮😤🖕🏻
@@vulk7183us polytheists? LMAOOOOOOO
@@vulk7183that’s a really funny rant you just went on talking about how “it’s all made up” then claiming blanket “polytheism” as your religion 🤔 😂 🤔
AP trying to hold back his laughter 🤣
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
Seriously, when he looked baffled by the weird suggestions of Muslim apologists, I had to laugh very badly.
@@ApostateProphet when academia meets Islamic logic...🤦♂️
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 you are trying to hold on for twigs, but no use. Mount Sinai in Arabia, yes - but that is FAR FAR north to the Medina; far closer to Israel. Nice try. ;) Muslims, you have been schooled in this video by the schoolar! K.O.! God bless.
@@ApostateProphet Idk, I think you did a good job of laughing 😉
This is what you call overkill 😂
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 what does all of this unrelated information have to do with the video?
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 Hi . In Israel or Palestine there is a huge place called Judea. In fact, most of the names in Palestine are names from Hebrew. Arabic was not spoken in Palestine 600 years ago. Arabic arrived from Saudi Arabia who invaded the area by force and war. Arabs who are Palestinians are actually Jordanians. 75 percent of Jordan is Palestinian. Jordan is four times larger than Israel. History must be seen. And not just talking exciting. The Kingdom of Judah is Israel Most Palestinians live in Judea and Samaria
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 Why did you spam?
Santa claus currupted the bible 🤣
When AP asked Dr. Bowen about his background, I thought he meant the yellow cat on the blue bricks.
🤣🤣🤣
Lmao XD.....Anyways, it is actually not a cat. Its Mušḫuššu figure just like on Neo-Babylonian's Ishtar Gate
The question becomes: If Mecca and the Kaaba were so important to Abraham, why would it be edited from the Bible? What would be the point? Israel has lost many things important to them and they don't excise it from their Scriptures. They'd write a lament about it.
If Mecca was a center of Yahweh worship for Israel and it was later taken by pagans, the writers of the Hebrew Bible would simply write that as God's judgment for Israel's sin, and then pray for its restoration.
They wouldn't erase if from their history.
Awesome to see Dr. Josh here!
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
"Nothing comes to mind" - that pretty much summarizes what actual scholars think of the claims that Muslims make about Abraham and the Kaaba.
This is really great content. Thank you dear prophet.
The Kaaba always has been and will be a Pagan temple in the middle of nowhere.
Yeah, actually... that's pretty much what it is. 🤷♀️
Non Muslim baby 😂
Yeah the whole circling and throwing rocks as part of Hajj.
And, "kissing of the black stone for the forgiveness of Sin". Good source of tourism income for the KSA I suppose...
There have been several kaabas on the Arab peninsular, all have been pagan temples
Thank you both! This was like attending the best of university tutorials - really seeking understanding rather than playing polemics.
You should make a video of your cat walking on a Quran
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 Not you again. More lies and bs? 🤢🤮
Alpha Beta ......i line my cats litter tray with quranic pages.....my cat loves it as its very absorbent when urinated on.
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 is a confirmed loser.
Let me explain to you what is the history behind the Kaaba is according to scholars too.
Mohsin Fani wrote in The Dabistan (~1645 AD):
According to the learned, the Kaaba (the cubic temple at Makka) is an emblem of the sun, on which account it is right [for astral worshippers] to worship it; and the well Zem Zem signifies likewise ‘the great luminary,’ as Hakim Khakani said relative to both:
O Kaaba, thou traveler of the heaven!
O Zem Zem, thou fire of the world!
Hajer Ul Aswad , ‘the Black Stone at Makka,’ represents the body of Venus,
which on the border of the heavens is a star of the planets.
In the above quotation, Venus is said to be “on the border of the heavens” because Venus is only observable near the east and west horizons shortly after sunset and shortly before sunrise. The inner planets and the moon normally cannot be seen against the backdrop of the sun.
How did “the learned” come to possess this knowledge that the Kaaba represented the sun? The information was passed down from pre-Islamic times. Of course the knowledge could only be discretely passed along for fear of the Islamists who tried to stamp out any untoward teaching about Islam or Muhammad. Without such discretion, many memes of information could easily become just so many nails in an academic’s coffin.
The learned had plenty of facts at hand by which they could confirm the validity of traditions. For instance, Al Kalbi (died 821-822 AD/206 AH) wrote in The Book of the Idols that Allat had sacred “stones,” and that “Allat stood in Al Ta'if...She [Allat] was a cubic rock....”
There were other facts that showed the Kaaba was basically the betyl of a goddess. In pre-Islamic times, Allah the moon-god’s consort would have been Allat the sun-goddess. The Satanic Verses suggest that Allah’s “house” was in fact a betyl for his consort and daughters:
The Arabic word Kaaba is feminine. The cubic building actually represents Allat’s breast, as the etymology of the word Kaaba informs us: “Arabic ka‘ba, cube, cubic structure, from ka‘aba, to swell, be full (said of breasts).”
The Kiswa blanket over the Kaaba indicates that the Kaaba is the home of a goddess. Such coverings have a long history. The Bible records that female shrine prostitutes wove such “houses” (Hebrew: Beit) for the Venus goddess Ashtorah (YLT 2Ki 23:07).
The Kaaba was called the Bait Allah, or “the House of Allah,” but the Kaaba could just as well have been called Bait Allat after Allah’s consort. Francis Burton visited the Kaaba and reported on the presumed femininity of the Kaaba.
The part of the cover [Kiswa], covering the door, is called [a] Burka just like the veil [Burka] the Arabic women are wearing in front of their face...
Robert Eisler wrote similarly:
In fact, Arab mystics even compare the Ka’aba to a virgin, adorned with her
finest wedding-dress. Comp. Lenormant p. 154, quoted a verse of Abd-er-Rahin el Buray ‘and the Ka’aba, the bride of Makka, is shining newly adorned with (wonder) signs’.... Then the clothing of the Ka’aba would be the remains of an old feast that represented the hierogamy [Greek: sacred marriage] of the deity.
The fact that Allat was an Arabian sun-goddess and that she was represented by cubic rocks helped confirm in the ancient’s mind that the cubic Kaaba did indeed represent the sun-goddess. By extension, these facts allowed the ancients to refer to the sun as the heavenly Kaaba that traveled the skies.
Also by extension, the ancients knew that the Black Stone was Venus since the Black Stone was set into a corner of the cubic Kaaba. The planet Venus was always observed to be near the sun.
The crescent-shaped Hatim Wall, the cubic Kaaba and the Black Stone were the moon, the sun and Venus. An ancient way of symbolizing the moon, the sun and Venus would be: (crescent-square-star), which looks a lot like the outline of an overhead view of the Hatim Wall, the Kaaba and the Venus Black Stone (see several photos of the Kaaba and Hatim Wall).
Malise Ruthven recounts another astral tradition about the Kaaba:
The earliest Muslim sources suggest that the pre-Islamic cult of the Kaaba had some astronomical significance. The historian Masudi (896-956 [AD]) [in Murudj, iv. 47] stated that certain people had regarded the Kaaba as a temple dedicated to the sun, moon and the five visible planets (making up the mystical figure of seven, the number of circumambulations required for each Tawaf). The story that there were exactly 360 idols placed round the temple also points to an astronomical significance [360 = 12 months of 30 days each]. Among the votive gifts said to have been offered to the idols were golden Suns and moons
[Al Azraki, p. 155 sqq.]
The 360 idols around the Kaaba reminds one of how the ancient Babylonian myth Enuma Elish relates that Marduk, god of Jupiter, lined the skies with 300 gods who acted as guards. Incidentally, Allah’s ninety-nine names (Quran 7:180; 59:24)3518 reminds one of Marduk’s fifty names.3519
The historian Masudi (896-956 AD) provides information that tends to confirm the above-mentioned traditions. He wrote in the Golden Meadows:
The Haranian Sabians have temples according to the names of the intellectual substances and the stars...(the temple) of Saturn is hexagonal; of Jupiter, triangular; of Mars, long (rectangular); the sun square [like the cubic Kaaba]; that of Venus, a triangle in a quadrangle; that of Mercury, a triangle
inside an elongated quadrangle, and that of the moon, octagonal [like the Dome of the Rock].
One can infer from Masudi’s writing that the cube part of the Kaaba, not
including the crescent-shaped Hatim Wall, is a sun-god temple. The medieval scholars knew because they went on the Hajj and they read about Makka. Masudi’s information also shows that the Dome of the Rock is a moon-god temple as shown by its octagonal shape.
Ibn Ishaq wrote that there was a plaque at the Kaaba that said:
I am Allah the Lord of the Bakka [Makka]. I created it [the Kaaba] on the day [on Friday, according to Al Tabari (839-923 AD) that I created heaven and earth and formed the sun and moon and I surrounded it with seven pious
angels.
Friday was the day of Venus in the astrological week. Note how Islamic tradition places the creation of all the astral bodies on Friday, the same that Muslims weekly attend Mosque for Friday Prayers.
Ibn Ishaq also wrote:
By the Black Stone, when they stroke it,
When they go around it morning and evening.
So the pre-Islamic Makkans made sure to touch the Black Stone in the morning and evening. Venus, the Morning and Evening Star, is often visible during these times
In the ninth century, Nicetas also speaks of the ‘idol of Xoubar’...said to represent Aphrodite.
John of Damascus identifies Xabar or Xaber (he uses two forms) with both Aphrodite herself and with the Ka’aba, which according to him represents the head of the pagan goddess.
John of Damascus (~675-749 AD) said that even during his day the Black Stone
still had traces of the head “of the Semitic Venus (i.e. the Greek Aphrodite).”
John of Damascus knew Arabic but he was writing in Greek. His Greek transliteration of Kaaba was Kabar. John used the same term Xabar for the Black Stone affixed to the Kaaba.
The eighth-century Byzantine writer, Georges the Monk, said that Muslims worshipped “god...the moon and Aphrodite.”The moon might refer to the crescent-shaped Hatim wall, and Aphrodite is the Greek version of Venus and may refer to the Venus Black Stone.
Constantine Porphyrogenitus’ book, De Administrando Imperio (The Administration of the Empire) (950 AD), states about Muslims:
They pray also to the star of Aphrodite which they called Koubar, and in their supplication cry out ‘Allah Oua Koubar, that is, God and Aphrodite. For they call God ‘Alla; and Oua they use for the conjunction and they call the star Koubar. And so they say ‘Alla Oua Koubar.
Evidently, the author Constantine Porphyrogenitus confused the word Akbar in
the phrase, Allahu Akbar (Allah is great!), with the word for the Kaaba, or the word that John of Damascus used for the Kaaba: Xaber.
The author of this ruler’s training book wrote specifically for the Byzantine emperor. So one can see that the emperors believed the Kaaba was at least a Venus goddess shrine, if not a shrine for Allah the moon-god.
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!
@@madinahcolakoglu9200
That doesn’t refute the historical facts I mentioned in my comment . Paul went to Arabia , do u know the reason ( I sure you don’t ) , I like your desperate attention to prove that Kaaba in the Jewish and Christian scriptures. As for the Jewish phylactery it’s a cultural thing that has to do with them and not Christianity and they are as reminders of God + of the obligation to keep the Law during daily life , I see nothing in common with the Kaaba or the black stone of Mecca .
Exodus 5:1 : Afterward Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Let my people go,so that they may hold a festival to me in the wilderness.’”
As for וְיָחֹ֥גּוּ ‘wə-yā-ḥōg-gū ‘ in Hebrew for ‘’that they may hold a feast’’ doesn’t prove anything about Kaaba because nothing is described about that feast ( obviously it would be a Jewish way of feast ) Also both Hebrew and Arabic are Semitic languages from the same linguistic family so many words are very similar . Where did you find that וְיָחֹ֥גּוּ means to move in a circle ( applies for exodus 12:14 too) ? Please give a reference for that or you are making things up
@@whoisnext9837 You're giving them too much credit. They didn't make it up, whoever they copy/pasted that crap from did.
@@RichWhiteUM Exactly!
@@whoisnext9837 ruclips.net/video/N34rp3iXqV8/видео.html Moses to Mecca by Avi Lipkin
Great conversation. Brilliant guest AP 👏👏
this was fantastic!! thank you for making this AP!
Thank you for putting the maps up! Geography is a deficit of mine, so that's really helpful!
Thanks for this!
Nothing more awesome where two of your favourite youtubers have a video out together!
I usually don't comment but this was a very nice conversation, and I like that you are very careful framing questions. I wish we could have him on again! Great interview AP.
Islamic logic:
- The Bible is corrupted.
- The Kaaba is in the Bible, so Islam is true!
Ha, ha, ha...
I can't believe...
Its more than that
Allah affirms the bible. But abduls are spitting on the face of him by nailing bible as a corrupt. 😄
Great job finding a scholar to debunk the Islamic narrative.
BTW, the link to Dr. Bowen's youtube channel does not work but a quick search will lead you to the channel
This refreshingly different and research based video, AP. Wonderful to learn this from researchers. 👍
What a quality content..Kudos Ridvan..
A debate between Dr joshua Bowen and Hamza the hamster would be really interesting
Lol. That would be cruel.
Hamsta is a snarky angry child. I would imagine he would get a bit nasty, he loses his temper too easily. I wouldnt want to subject the lovely doctor to that kind of situation.
Hamza has anger issues. He is hot headed.
Hamza would just yell over him, call him bias then insult him and finally ban him lol
Dr Bowen is a fantastic guy. You can watch his discussions on various atheist channels as well
Great video and info! God bless you both
That was quite an episode AP !!! I am looking forward to what comes next !
The best thing about Dr.Joshua is that he doesn't act like a know-it-all, although I have a feeling that he does know A Lot. Was great listening to him :o)
Ancient Sumerian ? I've seen the Rosetta Stone in the British Museum, and that seemed complicated enough ! As to Mecca and the Kaaba, it seems to be a later invention of the Muslims where they have re-written the actual history by force.
Dr Josh is always a good listen regardless the topic. And great interview AP👌
You are an excellent interviewer and presenter, AP! 😎👍
Nice touch with Ave Maria playing at the end 👌 lol
Pinning the foundation of the Kaaba to Abraham and the biblical prophets was just an attempt of the emerging Arab empire to justify itself and graft itself onto the older traditions.This has been done over and over again by different empires -e.g.the Roman empire grafting itself onto the myths and legends of the Greeks.But also in emerging and newly converted Christian cultures -the Ethiopians aka Abyssinians who were converted to Christianity in the fifth century approx. have all these stories about how their kings (the negus) descend from a liaison that king Solomon had with the queen of Sheba and they even claim they have the original Ark of the Covenant .They have a book called "The book of kings" that outlines these claims.The Rastafarian religion of the West Indies is partly based on this material.Another parallel might be the Glastonbury legends in medieval England.This town is now largely known for its huge pop music festival but it has been a sacred spot since the most remote pre-Christian times.Legends grew up that Jesus visited here as a boy being part of a trade mission organized by his uncle Joseph of Arimethea.The very famous English patriot song "Jerusalem" words by William Blake music by Hubert Parry outlines these legends -"and did these feet in ancient times etc. Just one of many many examples of cultures trying to graft themselves onto older traditions.
Mohammed wanted a Judaism for Arabs and Islam is what he cooked up. Why he even had Muslims initially pray towards Jerusalem until the Jews quite rightfully rejected his claim to prophethood and he got into a huff and changed the qibla to Mecca…
Great job AP & Dr. Joshua Bowen, you're doing well for comparative religion scholarship.
Great collab!
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!!
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 It must be really hard being you.
I pity you.
@@gustavlarsson7494 ruclips.net/video/N34rp3iXqV8/видео.html Moses to Mecca by Avi Lipkin
Without "stay away from Islam" at the end, something seems missing, great show though
Out of topics but can we acknowledge the differences between other religions scholars vs muslim scholars in room discussion or talks ???!
Other religions scholars and apologists: talking in calm manners, relaying everything they had learned, relaying the information and facts according to real education and studies/research but keeping it lowkey even tho they've been studying all their lives, explaining things without blaming or attacking the other party or wishing their death.
Meanwhile, muslim religion scholars and apologists : talking in high voice, acting they are the smartest the holiest, blaming other party, not actually answering the question that they're given instead pointing out the flaw in other party (pointing out every flaws that they can think of the other religion), wishing death for the other party, attacking them, kicking out people from room discussion coz they can't answer the questions (from the other party) or coz they (the other party) pointed out facts about Islam that they don't agree, hiding every flaws in Islam even tho they know it themselves, hiding every facts known on their religion according to the studies/research, and last but not least making up facts as they talk.
So ridiculous..wow..
Y E S
Hindu fertility temple.
Ridvan, terrific. Thank you.
Amazing duo
I now wonder what is the role of islamic scholar?
Glad to hear from Dr. Joshua Bowen. I learned a lot from him today and realize how rich the hebrew bible text is.
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!!
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 you copy/ paste your comment from a funny source which you dont know what was talked about. it is funny how you state that bible is corrupt yet at the same time go back to its verses and trace your islamic roots from them. lolz
If you're interested in this topic, a very good books is Dan Gibson's "Quranic Geography". He goes into great details related to these subjects.
Yes it gives an insight into how deep Hebrew is as a language.
Mecca pretty far South.. the reaction of Dr Joshua facial expressions is priceless
Thank you, AP, for having an interesting guest on and his book sounds good. He's a bit of a slow talker but that made it easy to take notes. Some of the Muslim apologist guests speak so quickly, or over on each other, that I can't hardly take notes.
Quality content, apostet
The Dr looks young and humble but very educated.
I feel tiny with this little Bachelors of mine
So I got pretty much at least 35 minutes of quality biblical scholarship
Thanks for the video.
Supper analysis Ap
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!!
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They are not Islam Apologetic if they didn't use the phrase "The Bible is corrupted"
Hi Ridvan.
Please organize an interview with Hamed Abdal Samed.
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!!
Very informative. 👍🙏
Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges:
The word Baca is derived from the root which means to weep, but it nowhere means weeping, for which words of a different form are used. Here, as in 2 Samuel 5:23, it probably denotes some kind of balsam-tree, so called from the ‘tears’ of gum which it exudes. The vale of Baca or the balsam-trees was some vale which, like the vale of Elah or the terebinth (1 Samuel 17:2), and the vale of Shittim or acacias, took its name from the trees which grew there. Balsam-trees are said to love dry situations, growing plentifully for example *in the arid valley of Mecca; and this is clearly the point of the reference* .
Amazing.. a Fulbright scholar, awesome Dr. Joshua Bowen 👍
I strongly disagree, in my Bible Mecca is mentioned! ( well I used correction fluid, then wrote Mecca using a ballpoint pen)
😅
Love Bowen, have a few of his books. A real incite into history. 👍
Very interesting!
Amazing lecture (how i feel it is)!!
There used to be 22 Kaabas in Arabia...Please contact with Ibn-e-Maryam. He has done a great research in this regard.
Thanks, blessings to you!
Dr. Joshua Bowen is a great scholar.
Cant help but notice there’s a Mesopotamian iconography on the background behind the good Dr…
I can remember having a conversation with you on Twitter in DM’s about taking the Mesopotamian origins of the Abrahamic faiths argument to Mohammed Hijab…
Keep growing in knowledge…
These gods-which are sometimes regarded in the Hebrew Bible as fallen angels and arguably are the genesis of Paul’s “principalities and powers”-are condemned to death not simply because of their failure to rule with justice, but more importantly, for their rebellion against their Maker, Yahweh. Their unjust rule of the nations was simply one of many expressions of their rebellion, which was the principal reason for Yahweh’s discipline.
As God’s most gifted and beautiful supernatural being, Satan abused his authority and then led a rebellion with his fallen angels against God Yahweh. God punished him by limiting his authority on earth; he is still the “god of this world” (2 Cor. 4:4) but his authority is checked by God’s sovereign purposes, and his final destruction is decreed.
Deuteronomy 32:17: “They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.”
Daniel 11:7: “Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.“
Ancient pagan religions were animated by powers hostile to Yahweh, actively fighting Yahweh’s control of the cosmos. It was no surprise that history is full of conflict, because its driving animus is conflict between supernatural forces, which are visibly represented by both religious and political communities. In other words, wars between nations were really only the shadowy surface of the deeper and more fundamental combat between spiritual powers.
@@tobyc8668 I don’t believe in the Abrahamic faiths.
If we look at the evidence without a theistic lenses it paints the picture that the Abrahamic faiths have their origins in the Mesopotamian polytheistic epics, started by the Hebrews in Babylonian captivity circa 500/600BC, borrowing stories such as creation from the Enuma Elis, flood from the epic of Gilgamesh/Epic of Atrahasis etc…
@@RedLFCBlood
There are dozens of flood stories, creation stories found throughout the ancient world, not only in Mesopotamia. (e.g in chinese mythology, Nüwa created humanity due to her loneliness, which grew more intense over time. She molded yellow earth or, in other versions, yellow clay into the shape of people.). Would you then say Arahamic faith also copied from chinese mythology similar to Assyriology?
Therefore in my opinion, your "so called evidences or claim of proofs" are in reality based on plausibility (on the basis of similarity) rather than empirical evidence. You can disagree with me but this is a christian's perspective.
Early in the Old Testament, we could see that the wicked was already trying to establish a one-world system. It started with Cush, who was the bloodline of Hamites, and he married a very beautiful woman named Semiramis. The Bible stated that Semiramis was the one who created a lot of false Goddesses who tried to deceive humans to worship them. This was before mesopotamia whose kingdom was form by Nimrod a child of Cush and Semiramis. The great harlot (religious Babylon) is described in revelation 17:1-2. As a religious system, Babylon came into being long before Christianity, but in Satanic imitation it anticipated the coming true Messiah. According to religious history and legend, the Babylonian religion was founded by the wife & also mother of Nimrod (a great-grandson of Noah), named Semiramis. She was a high priestess of idol worship, and she gave birth to a son who she claimed was conceived miraculously. The son, named Tammuz, was considered a savior. Many ancient artifacts remain with the familiar motif of the mother Semiramis holding the savior-infant Tammuz, which predate Christianity. It was also said that Tammuz was killed by a wild beast and then miraculously brought back to life. Baal was the local, Canaanite name for the Babylonian Tammuz. The Bible makes specific mention of some of the features of the classic religion of Bablyon:
- Ezekiel protests against the ceremony of weeping for Tammuz (Ezekiel 8:14)
- Jeremiah mentions the heathen practice of making cakes for the queen of heaven (Jeremiah 7:18) and offering incense to the queen of heaven (Jeremiah 44:17-19, 44:25)
Therefore for Christians, your "evidences & proofs" are something the Christians are already familiar with and reference in the bible.
@@tobyc8668 mate I could show multiple parallels in the Abrahamic faiths to the polytheistic Mesopotamian accounts… but it would fall on to deaf ears…
The flood account possibly goes back to around 10500BC, the Younger dryas melt water pulse 1a and melt water pulse 1b and been highly mythologised over the thousands of years following it…
It wasn’t god who sent the flood, it was literally a cosmic accident, an asteroid or comet impacting the earth…
@@RedLFCBlood
It would pointless charade since Christians who read their bible would be already well aware of the existence and expected such parallel accounts from the (religious babylon). Satan as taught to us is known as the great counterfeiter & imitator (e.g. Unique Son, And Son Of Destruction, unholy trinity - himself, the beast, and the false prophet). This is a pattern of Satan that keeps repeating from history, this include his kingdom (Nimrod’s kingdom a.k.a Mesopotamia) after Genesis 6, and him repeating his kingdom at Genesis 6 before Adam’s kingdom.
Therefore, it would be pretty much an attempt of trying to establish a causal connection between two events based on dubious grounds. And then, somehow representing it as "facts". it would be basically repeating what was written in Genesis about the characteristic of the babel religion, as well as what’s happening in our modern-day civilization, where people are brainwashed and taught to allow our imagination to run wild, and then followed by concocted beliefs with all kind of conspiracy theories.
The Babel's rebellion of autonomous man-centred religion is present with us today, but, in Christ, God is establishing an everlasting kingdom which will shatter all kingdoms of men. The years after the flood were like a new creation as people multiplied and a new civilization was established. Nimrod is identified as a priest-king by historians, and was an empire-builder who worshiped a fertility goddess based on a deified Eve. Nimrod founded mighty cities, established state-worship and paganism which included human sacrifice, etc. Nimrod was deified as a father of the gods and was given the title of emancipator or deliverer of mankind. Rebelling against the authority of heaven, men worshipped pagan deities. The name Zoroaster means "seed of the woman." This is an allusion to Genesis 3:15 in this ancient religion. Much of pagan mythology traces its historical origin back to Genesis 11, Babel, and Nimrod.
In rebellious pagan religion, man's idea becomes the standard of truth. Man decides to be his own deliverer, deifies himself, and seeks to restore paradise through empire building. Nimrod is not only a founder of empire building and rebellion, but he also founded false worship in a one-world religious culture. This paganism is active in modern culture and is even creeping into the Christian church. Today we see everywhere psychological religion promoting a deified humanity and the belief that there is a spiritual force behind everything.
These ideas are among the dumb idols of Psalm 115:2-8 which conveniently cannot hold men accountable. Paul describes the pagan worship of the creation in Romans 1:22-25. Modern Babel worship is an ideal of peace, unity, and brotherhood which mimics God and where man makes his own route to God, usurping the prerogatives of divinity. Babel worship is manifest in the pluralistic faith of the deified state. Following Nimrod, our society worships man’s autonomy; we project upon "god" our own inner psychology.
Today it is considered a serious offense to challenge another person's inner psychology. As it was at Babel, there is an alliance between mystery pagan religion and the vision of a statist society. Christ alone, the promised Seed of the woman, is the true priest-king, the man of obedience. In Christ as taught in Bible, God is establishing an everlasting kingdom which will shatter all kingdoms of men (Isa. 9:6-7; Isa. 2:2; 1 Tim. 6:15; Dan. 2:44-45; 7:27).
No more legs to stand on...Kaaba was and is idol worship
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!!
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 nobody worships the Kaaba but Muslims. You won't find a single Jew or Christian there bro.
@@jdubs325 no we don’t worship the Kaaba, are jews worshiping the wailing wall….
ruclips.net/video/N34rp3iXqV8/видео.html Moses to Mecca by Avi Lipkin
10:42 🌳🌿 the Tree/Shurb is "the Baca bush or balsam", aka "chewing gum" mastic plant (Pistacia Lentiscus)...Pistacia lentiscus is native throughout the Mediterranean region...and apparently it does not grow in the Arabian peninsula..
Fantastic!
Thank you!
I have the book on the Old Testament.
I found Doctor Bowen on Derek Lambert's channel Mythvision.
Doctor Bowen can also do a wicked voice impression of Kent Hovind!
One difference in Biblical law vs. all other legal systems at that time, their law was universal- no allowance for wealth, office or class. It was first to have equal justice under the law. It also required two or more witnesses, also unique. Western Civilization owes them that at least.
Galatians 4:25 “- For this Agar ( mother of Ishmael) is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.”
paul himself also went to Arabia…….Galatians 1:17 “Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.”
Jews wearing phylacteries or tefilin with a black cube and strings they put the strings around their arms exactly 7 times….muslims go around the kabah 7 times….
From EXODUS 5:1 KJV ( blue letter bible ) : “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a FEAST (ḥāḡaḡ ….!!) unto me in the wilderness.” :
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; a primitive root (compare H2283, H2328); properly, TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION.
EXODUS 12:14 ( blue letter bible): “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG ) to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST ( HAG )by an ordinance FOR EVER.”:
חָגַג châgag, khaw-gag'; TO MOVE IN A CIRCLE, i.e. (specifically) TO MARCH IN A SACRED PROCESSION!!!!! חָגַג :verb make pilgrimage, keep a pilgrim-feast!!!!
חַג ḥāḡ /châg : SACRIFICE ( remembrance of the offer of Abraham) ON A PELGRIM-FEAST …..!!!!
These are the words used in Exodus 5:1 and Exodus 12:14…….!!
@@madinahcolakoglu9200 That black cube worn by Jews contained verses from Deuteronomy, the Kabba contains nothing.
Muslim apologist's logic: he clearly admitted that he is not an expert on trees therefore he is not an expert on this topic. 🤣
According to muhamad, abraham was 1000 years old when he built the kaaba.
Muhammad couldn't count past 72.
When will you conference with Dr.Jay Smith ( Pfander Films) AP?
He and his circle of scienticst have done so much work right now? They allready have good conclusions about the invention of islam.
Agree.
Also have a look at Abdullah Sameer and Gondal recent presentation on Muhammad's epilepsy. From both angles SIN is falling apart. Most of the Muslims commenting don't want to do their homework
I know that the vast majority of muslims (and probably 100% of muslim apologists) will still be in denial, but the importance of this is that nonmuslim people who are susceptible to be deceived by muslim apologists will learn something...
Lol . Jews were taken back to misr ( egypt ) they were gypsies all though their life. They disbelief in moses :) they dont follow moses.
@@greenme7094 yes yes i’m sure that’s what happened.
Some more information for all:
The sons of Korah who wrote Psalm 84
were not allowed into Jerusalem due to their rebellion against Moses :Numbers 16:1-40
When they were finally allowed into Jerusalem they sang this psalm as a psalm of praise
Interesting interpretation, but that is if we assume the Psalm really was written by the son of Korah in the first place
@@MrEVAQ Thanks for your comment
It's not an interpretation btw
@@canyouhandlethetruth3466 Well, it is. You're interpreting this to have been written by the sons of Korah.
You're assuming that actually happened
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Thanks for your comment
Am neither interpreting nor assuming anything friends
Just stating what is written & in historical records
Peace out
(V6) interesting to note the valley of weeping making a well of tears . This perhaps refers to Bochum, the place of weeping (Judg. 2:1-5). Those who weep and seek God will be refreshed by rain and pools of spiritual water (v6; Isa. 43:2; 44:3;Zech. 10:1).
Very cool interview. For some reason Muslims will praise over and over Islamic scholarship. But then they'll scoff at anyone being a biblical scholar as if it's a fake field of study.
Muslims definitely need to give Biblical scholars more respect. They are our historians for the past prophets.