I didn't really appreciate how good Danny John Jules was as The Cat and what a difficult character that is to play until I saw someone else try to do it. That's really true of all the actors. Each wears their role like a glove.
Exactly. If you listen very carefully to what Doug says at the start of this docuemntary, he says that he and rob had to tailor the characters to fit the actors so the characters have certain characteristic traits that Craig, Chris, Danny, Robert, etc. all have.
ludocrat oh wow. Picking apart my poor typing eh. Nice. Well let’s dismiss American Jewish comedians and comedies then (or Jewish humour itself, heavily permeated into US comedy) or the fact the US invented modern standup and had the first comedy clubs, or Steven Wright, or Richard Pryor, or George Carlin, or Tom Hanks, or The Simpsons, or Seinfeld, or Frasier, or This is Spinal Tap, or Ghostbusters... Christ I could go on and on. Honestly, what have you been smoking? Or do you just love Only Fools and Horses n ‘Towers THAT much. 😂😂 😂.
ludocrat The Simpsons pretty much kicks the shit out of anything the UK has produced, even if it overstayed it’s welcome. And comedy films? Well there’s always Four Weddings or Bridget Jones 😂😂. The thing you’ve obviously failed to grasp if that the US has is size and wealth- so naturally you’ll get some stellar work and utter trash. Pointing at the shit (sex n city) or stuff you personally didn’t care for (Fresh Prince) is to deliberately dismiss anything truely awesome that came from that side of the pond. Hey, you can always wank yourself silly to Fawlty Towers I guess. Watching a man beat a car with a stick was always my granddad’s favourite bit.
American comedy is often about a gang of broadly similar people who fundamentally love each other despite verbal sparring. British comedy is about a gang of disparate people who pity each other or insult each other, even physically attack each other, are stuck together through conscription / employment and love's optional, occasional.
As a young lad of just 18, straight out of School (year 12) travelling to England. I ended up in Guildford, working at a Wimpy. I saw Red Dwarf's pilot and like everybody I worked with, we went NUTS. OWWW OOH EEE says the cat. Smeghead says Lister. A year later came back to Australia and introduced it to all my friends. I introduced it to my wife in 2000. She's a devotee to her shiny Kochanski Core. I'm still a Complete Smegger. The American version was/is so smegging awful, I want it erased from my memory too. Love the cast, love the writers and crew. I listen to the audio books 1 to 2 times a year as I drive 100+ k. Every night for approx 4 hours. They are part of my psyche.
American producers are all about money. They don't know how much heart and sole goes into every red dwarf episode, from the cast, the crew and the producers. Thats why i will always love english comedy.
Ego. Money is what they claim to want but they make all the decisions which please their own egos. In this case, not listening to the show's creators and pushing their own script, despite how inferior it was and disliked by everyone around them. Their own ego sabotaged the show's success.
Jef The Mef That's the problem with the monetary system. Most art in any form will only be picked up if the majority of a countries population i.e idiots will buy into it.
Red Dwarf started of as British, and it should always be British. There's really is no need to ever try and change it to accommodate and American audience. The American audience clearly loves the show, with the awesome cast it already has. Long Live Red Dwarf!
Many of the cultural references don't make it. The US is very insular. There is a class barrier in the US, but it can be crossed very easily once you have money - not as ingrained as the English class system. Quark would be the US Red Dwarf.
I agree, some things should stay British for good and Red dwarf, James Bond and Dr who for example. Americans have got a different sense of humour to us brits I think
We never make a "Britsh " version of an american show, so why does America think they need an !American" version? Its english and people get the jokes....
@@MaximusJohal "We never make a British version of an American show" - Apart from Hustle, Spooks, Luther, Coupling, Desmonds, and believe it or not Rainbow (which was inspired by Sesame Street)... which all have obvious American influence. The title Spooks is even American. No one calls them that over here.
It wasnt exactly that. They didnt trust the American Audience If you go back to the early pitches for reddward they got turned down because There wasnt a window, Jow would they pull back from a sofa...
@TheSmithersy yeah its not that they dont trust the writers they dont trust ths viewers to understand the humor or something they treat Americans like they are stupid. (Atleast they did for a long time.) Smarter more socially aware streaming service showsbare doing well. More Importantly audiences are getting shows from other countries before they can make a Bastardization of them.
There's a very strange attitude here in the States where too many people think that no matter how good something is, we can do it better. And as far as American audiences not getting foreign shows/movies, unfortunately, that one seems to be true. I know a lot of folks who love US remakes like The Office or Ghosts or Being Human, but can't stand the originals. Or they won't watch a foreign film like Ju-On or Ringu, but we remake it and suddenly it's a hit. I grew up watching British television, so I get the humor, and sadly, most of the remakes we've done have just sucked.
Wait a minute did someone say they tried to remake Fawlty Towers for the US market. I thought Steve Martin playing Inspector Clouseau was misjudged enough but no.
This is such an interesting story, particularly with how Craig put it, they were all upset but couldn't hold a grudge against each other for that reason. It's really similar to how the real Red Dwarf crew will mock and complain about each other but will always band together when the time comes. It's a shame Red Dwarf wasn't able to be adapted as an american show but hey they've gone on to do 7 seasons and a movie on UK television since. Craig Charles hinted last year that they're still not done as well!
I'm really not sure how it happened, but I had really appreciated UK television series from an early age, especially Red Dwarf and Doctor Who. It always makes me a little sad when my friends have never even seen (or even heard of) all the absolute gems that have came out of the UK.
Errm, did you watch the video? He said as much. Given it was a Red Dwarf convention, did he really expect a different answer? Kind of a self selecting group there.
The two good things after S6 for me were the new kitchen in Starbug, and the new Kochanski. I adore Chloe Annette's portrayal just as much as Claire Grogan's (met Chloe once).
I've been a Red Dwarf fan since i was very young, about 11. i had no idea there was an American pilot until today. I'm 35. anyway, gonna check it out now.
A long time since I watched it, but I recall only one original joke that made me laugh. After they're out of Stasis they find Kryten's head in a cupboard and ask him what he's been doing for 3 million years. He responds "Well I've been reading that 'stop' sign".
This week is Chris Barrie's birthday, Sunday March 28th... same day as my oldest daughters birthday! Chris is a delight and a treasure love all the boys from the Dwarf!
It would never have worked because Red Dwarf was part of the uniquely British existential attitude towards science fiction such as The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, not the ‘peuw peuw’ mise en scene of 80s American sci fi.
Right idea, wrong reason....as with all British series/movies which they attempt to make over, whether sci-fi or not, it is the depth of character that the Americans fail over. The comedy of Red Dwarf is based on easy, simply seeming jokes, which in fact are hilarious because of the knowledge and familiarity we have with the people involved. And the characters are people because they've been developed that way.... warts and all....
It's not only science fiction but other types of comedy too. In USA: Someone who is not me got hit in the balls or fell down so I laugh. In UK: People and life in general are absurd and miserable so there's nothing else to do than laugh about it.
@@JuanPerez-cs1gxI don't remember who I heard say it, but I recall a British comedian relating the difference between US and UK mentalities. In the US, most Yanks tend to see themselves as a heroic character, whereas most Brits usually are more comfortable being the downtrodden loser. I don't know if that's true about my brethren across the pond, but it's true about most Yanks. Personally, I relate more with the British mentality, which is why I love so much British humor. Well, humour.
Amazing to think 14 writers were employed to work on the Red Dwarf pilot, which in running time for NBC would amount to 22 to 23 minutes of content. In the original version, only Rob and Doug wrote the episodes, for a run time of 29 minutes of content per episode. Says everything doesn't it?
@@pressureworks 14 writers brought in to create a 22 minute sitcom. Whereas in Britain, only Rob and Doug wrote the episodes for the first six seasons.
It's from an episode in series 7, but i'm not wholly sure what its relevance was in that context though. Unless the person who edited this was alluding to some class difference between LHO and JFK.
Doug is talking about the class system in America. JFK was upper class member of American society who became President, who was gunned down by Lee Harvey Oswald a working class guy. I think that is why they used it.
Hollywood TV is totally counter to 'art for art's sake'. It's all: lets have faux-clever one-liners and canned laughter so it plays in Peoria and next year we can move to Malibu.
Pure Craig, he and Hattie were the only ones not invited over. At that stage with so much involvement of the Brit crew, NBC should have just pumped money into upping the budget on the BBC series.
Orville struggled with tone initially, the profane family guy humour of the 1st series was gradually phased out as Seth McFarlane decided he wanted to tell more morality stories like the Stsr Trek: The Next Generation. Given those too shows share a lot of writers and producers that's why the Orville is more the spiritual successor to 90s era Star Trek than current era shows like Discovery. A slightly paler facsimile but still... OK.
Just watched [art 1 and this (part 2). Where's part 3? Can't find it anywhere, not even in your playlist, @Ace Rimmer ?! Surprised nobody else has asked too.
9:47 So am I Craig, so am I. Not just because Red Dwarf UK would not have continued after Series V, but also because of what I commented on Part 1. If Red Dwarf USA had become a hit, Jane Leeves would never have done Frasier and I would never have become a Frasier fan (which would have been a pity because I love the Niles & Daphne relationship).
the brits aren't full of themselves, don't take themselves too seriously, and have a great time and a laugh. It shines through. The americans, it's all about money first, not art. What they don't get, great art makes money to follow. 14 writers can't have a vision of what it is they would like to make.
I just find it weird that the longer this went on, the more they kept trying to add members of the British cast to this American remake. So you just basically end up with the British show, but made in Hollywood. Esp if they'd accepted Doug and Rob's scripts. Can you imagine if it had taken off, and Red Dwarf was more well known as an American 90's sitcom, rather than the Brit show it started as?
Lister however is more British than fish and chips served in a bowler hat and in the feeble minds of American producers of the time that was unacceptable for a protagonist.
I honestly think they didn't make it American enough, look at Steptoe or The Office, the amount of changes they make basically create a different show.
Exactly what Doug said, they didn’t tailor the scripts to the actors so it failed. I’m glad it failed but hey, perhaps they could try again now in the 2020’s.
Why would they? British TV work is very different process. In the states, a sitcom runs to over 26 episodes, meaning 26 weeks of work on one sitcom. Yes they could earn a large salary, but it can become soul destroying when you are churning out a huge amount of episodes per season. British sitcom seasons tend to run to 6, 7 or 8 episodes at most.
@@johnking5174 It's like what happened with Paul Whitehouse, Johnny depp was a fan of his comedy which is how he ended up on the fast show, then Johnny introduced Paul to his director friends who cast him in a few movies etc, thing is Paul prefers the British system where he is allowed to write and act and be the showrunner for his own projects rather than being told what to do by suits, so he gave up. Same with Hugh Laurie who described House as torture towards the end.
Would have been worth it just to see Terry Farrell in her red catsuit. Kind of ironic, really. She played a cat with nine lives and would later play a character that was a host to a symbiote that had experienced many lives. I quite liked that different version of Cat, though. The casting of Lister was a huge misstep. Right there, it showed that the execs didn't really have an understanding of the show or its characters. Lister is a likeable, down to earth, slob. Someone every man aspires to be. You couldn't see the American one using his teeth to cut his own toenails. But this kind of BS has always been an issue in Hollywood when they're trying to adapt British comedy material. Terry Pratchett said in an interview years ago that preliminary work had begun on turning Mort into a movie. Except that they wanted to change everything, including the character of Death. The execs involved didn't think that audiences were ready to see Death as a humorous character ... then a few months later, Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey lands. Like he said, Hollywood execs are idiots.
This shows the problem with Hollywood /American TV. They rehash and remake everything, but have no clue what made the original great. I am American and love British TV Red Dwarf is one if my favorites, the US pilot was crap, missed everything that made the original the classic.
John Cleese said about British comedy that he and the Python guys went to Michael Mills head of BBC comedy and did an awful pitch of what would be Monty Python. Michael told them go away and make 13 shows, and they did. That was it. Totally different world to American comedy shows.
That's how it used to be. But Brit TV hasn't been that free for decades. On Faulty Towers, Head Of Light Entertainment Bill Cotton didn't find anything funny in the scripts, but he trusted Cleese's abilities and let him make it. Likewise, Only Fools And Horses got lukewarm ratings for the first two series. These days it'd be axed after the first, but the BBC believed that shows sometimes needed a few series to grow audiences.
The BBC is socialism, it's funded by British license payers to provide entertainment to the people. Apart from PBS, American Networks are set up to sell to advertisers and to make the most capital as possible which leaves the huge flaw that in general most new shows will not make it past pilot or first series as they won't generate enough revenue quickly enough and even worse than that is the fact that the most popular shows are normally the ones aimed at the lowest common denominator so the average intelligence of the populace lowers so selling a Sci fi comedy in the states will always be an uphill battle. Or I could put it this way, when America were showing the live feed of Apollo missions in the 60's people rang up to complain that it was boring and to play re-runs of I love Lucy instead, something tells me if Britain had been first to the moon the live feed of the astronauts would never have been cut to make way for crude comedy
How on earth could red dwarf cross over to the USA . It’s totally British & most of the gags are so nuanced. Also they have created a comedy universe over decades!
...The original creators of RED DWARF and their efforts to make this something special despite all the BS does show through even so. It's not what it could have been but it's got some damn funny bits. I'll take these two pilots as alternate universe occurrences which parallel the original.
The irony and sad truth is that it is actually White actors that are being replaced by dark groidlings. I would love to see White actors complain about being radically rewritten without a mass media indignant bloodfart, but then that wouldn't be the Agenda now would it? I am sourly disappointed that CC had to go below the belt and pull the "pity me" wog-line, after all he isn't 100% black but a mischling. Kind of rich though how they always take the dark side, it has more victim perks because trying to elicit sympathy by being White doesn't really fly among the "hate Wht1ey" programmed commie bots.
The americans should have done a series, Called it White Dwarf in the same universe but 3 million light years in the opposite direction with unique characters clashing in dinamically diferant bubt the same ways. make it their own.
They want "likeable" people as leads, and in their minds, only tall good looking people can be "likeable", small ugly people are automatically annoying and pedantic - that's why Rimmer was average looking and smaller.
How strange that there was the little problem of where Red Dwarf US pilot was taped = NBC wanted it in their Burbank Studios, Rob and Doug chose Universal Studios. Now in 2022, NBC and Universal are all one company!
Craig Charles has a mischievous twinkle in his eyes when he smiles/smirks. That is what makes him the best Lister. Nothing against the American actor, but he just doesn’t have the spark.
The main reason fantastic British comedies dont work in America is that it all has to be rewritten so it is a)more viewer friendly and b)so a"moral"can be learnt at the end of every episode they produce,British comedy doesnt work like that,Red Dwarf,The Inbetweeners,Shameless,Fawlty Towers,Men Behaving Badly...these shows always ended with the characters basically learning nothing by sacrificing a moral for a big laugh, when the shows are rewritten they lose 90% of the humour that made them hits
That and the tradition of this always happening on US remakes (with the exception of The Office and Shameless). I think what happened with the failed US remake of Coupling was probably more of an influence (a more recent remake, of a romantic sitcom, with the British husband and wife creators of the show going to Hollywood and hitting the culture clash and American TV dumbing down).
The irony is that Craig Charles was cast as Lister so that The Cat wouldn't come off as a stereotype and Battle's "Cat" was recast as a part for Terry Farrell for the same reason!
mostly, but the off-the-wall line about giving the cat beer 🐈 🍺 🤯 almost made up for it. The Kryten's eyeballs in the coffee punch line was also terrific, even if the setup of him short-circuiting went on too long. the Terry Farrel Cat was okay, but I'm glad the UK version stayed. VI is very strong
@@ShamrockParticle I laughed at that line when Leeves' computer says "Actually that one felt good". The female casting in the American version is much more interesting, ironic given that the British one was much more male orientated (especially back when Norman Lovett was the computer(
*Dumps your tea into the harbor while looking you in the eye* Well to be honest you're basically right.The Brits have a way of doing a dry, non-pretentious style of humor that we Americans can only rarely get right. Which is why we never should have tried to Americanize Red Dwarf in the first place. Or Doctor Who, for that matter.
"Whaddya mean some Brit tried to change the script!! It's brilliant as it is! I don't care if they originally wrote Red Dwarf they don't know what's funny!!"
British comedy and American comedy are worlds apart. You can't have an American Red Dwarf, just like an American Are You Being Served, Mr. Bean, One Foot in the Grave, Dad's Army, 'Allo 'Allo and several others just would not work as an American series.
I find it very interesting that you see acting ability is correlated with whiteness. I find it even more interesting that therefore for you if they made a modern day red dwarf you would be getting annoyed and triggered over the cast and think Craig and Danny shouldn't play lister and cat as they must be worse than a white person.
@@Alex-cw3rz In the early 90's they picked the best actor first and changed the role to fit the person. Now they would pick an actor on race, and not adapt the role.
@@Alex-cw3rz Second *I find it even more interesting that therefore for you if they made a modern day red dwarf you would be getting annoyed and triggered over the cast and think Craig and Danny shouldn't play lister and cat as they must be worse than a white person.* How dare you insinuate such a digusting thing, you should be ashamed of yourself.
@@Infernal460 Oh really and what's changed are you a casting agent or did you just pull that out of your arse? Come on tell me how it's changed or was just vage wokeness that can't be seen in any way except from some RUclips reactionaries the only tell... More importantly you ignored the premise didn't you, if it was made today you would say they were chosen for an agenda you have to agree with that because that's what you said and therefore what you are saying is wrong because you agree they were picked correctly. Now do you see how ridiculous your assertion is. And again you have not addressed the fact that what you are saying is whiteness in your head is correlated with ability for a modern day role/any role after you were indoctrinated into your present ideology.
As the great novelist and old Twilight Zone writer Charles Beaumont said 'Attaining success in Hollywood is like climbing a gigantic mountain of cow flop, in order to pluck one perfect rose from the summit. And you find when you’ve made that hideous climb … you’ve lost the sense of smell'. Only a tiny percentage of shows made in America end up half way endurably decent because the dumbest people have the power.
@@jim191185 Apart from the Beatles maybe, they would be completely confused by it. It does make a case for Lister being a Bostonian or New Yawker - somewhere with an odd American accent. (Not a Texan - too obvious.)
The funniest part of this was when he said "let's see the white people, the black people and the yellow people" my jaw dropped for a second,( couldn't believe it) before I was crying with laughter 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭🤪
I have never seen the second American pilot ever or any clips of it. surely if it were really leaked and not just talk youtube would be full of it? at this point I think the second one doesn't exist in the wild
They changed the format from the UK version to the US version for no reason and they train wrecked it; what I would like to know is how popular is the UK version in the US and does it have a strong fan base like the UK??? I still hold out hope for a big budget movie version of the stoiry with new actors and cameos from the original cast, assuming the UK writers are fully involved.
I've never understood why Americans take hit British shows and destroy them. It's hard to accept they are so insular &/or egotistical that they can't enjoy a British concept without changing it to an all American one
American sitcom creation is totally different to British sitcoms. The whole sitcom world in the US seems to be so different to the British way. Loads of writers, so many men in suits watching what you are doing, interference from many people. Compare this to a typical sitcom in Britain with just maybe 1 or 2 writers and that is it.
The Pythons guys ran up against this. Their friend Marty Feldman got his own show, that was co-produced by the British ATV, and an American network. It was shot at studios in the UK. The Pythons were invited by Feldman to write for it. They turned up at the studios, and found there was a Writers Room, packed with Americans. The deal was you had to turn up every weekday and spend 8hrs coming up with gags. The Pythons gave up on this, as the British way was a couple of writers working on stuff at home, or in a pub, and there was no clock watching by the TV company. You just did it in your own time, and then handed it in. The American way for them was too creativity killing because it was like any normal office job, with no room for the mind to roam, just a production line, of what have you got, what have you got.
I would love to Work on a RedDwarf Reboot. Umm not a Remake MORE like Battle Star Galactica Where it is the Same Mythos in a similar setting but Characters are completely re invented Like The concept of an American version but without the BAD tropes of American TV Keep the uniqueness of it being a distinctively British Comedy style just Updating it.
The same thing happened with The Young Ones, where Nigel Planer was the only one who was brought over for the US pilot remake. He too saw how shit and missing the point the American creatives were, and was genuinely happy when the show wasn't picked up as he'd signed a 6 series deal. The comedy show Mash And Peas perfectly parodied US remakes of Brit shows with their idea of an US Only Fools And Horses: ruclips.net/video/zLA7Kx4srUs/видео.html
That basically boils down to employed/unemployed. The difference is that in the US system you can cross the class barriers once you get money. In the Brit system, you can't.
Going by what was planned, they would of had almost the entire English cast (had they been available) minus Craig.... bit weird... something of an issue between the writers and Craig in England at the time?
@@DanielRed2 Well RD disappeared for 3 years between Series 6 and 7 anyway, when we were used to one series a year. But yeah, Craig's C's regional accent was def the reason he wouldn't have been cast. At this point on American TV, they might also have had an issue with a Black lead as the hero, and with Kochanski being White (even in the 90's some Southern Broadcasters wouldn't run a mixed race relationship). Rimmer's RP accent, and Kryten and Cat sounding American would have kept them in, but I guess the hero had to sound American.
Well they wouldn't have had a problem with an Englishman as Lister, (the "bad" guy), since they like to hate on them, but everyone else would have to be very photogenic to be a lead, and of course the females attractive. They would have looked to an up and coming actor for that. I doubt it's the writers fault the US producers tried to poach the UK actors. I've no doubt Charles would have been in like Flynn had they offered.
@@Cheepchipsable I'm sure Craig Charles or the writers have made suggestions that Charles was too plain looking to be the lead, which is ridiculous as even now he has a lot of admirers. He's definitely a good looking guy, and his charm and personality add to that, but by American Sitcom standards they wanted someone like Craig Bierko. Bierko (who actually comes across as a really nice guy in interviews), was also up to play Joey in Friends, so I think that says everything.
They were copying and pasting basically and they ran out of the magic toner that made the original great. If I had my way, I'd go on my own tangent with RD. Something relate-able. Nobody ever does a story about how geeks would react if they had their own ship and faced the dangers like their sci-fi shows would. Sure, people would say "Why call it Red Dwarf, if it's original?" but I would tell them to watch the original pilot.
It also doesn't really exist anymore outside of the upper class families. It's not like in the middle ages where if you were born a peasant, then that's what you'd always be. Today, it's entirely possible for a working class person to become middle class. Today's concepts of class and social mobility are pretty analogous between the UK and the USA.
It seems like people have always stratified themselves. Even when a group of people form a gang, you have the leader, his lieutenants and the foot soldiers. The problem is that people tend to abuse their positions of authority and that creates resentment. This is what brings about revolution. Maybe it's less about having a classless society, and more about one where there's always a mutual respect. Because even if you're at the top of a social system, you still need those under you to carry out the orders, and they're less apt to do that when they feel constantly fucked over.
@@brianm2881 It does exist, very much so. Much more in England than in Scotland. You can still be rich in the UK like Alan Sugar and not be posh. Now the whole issue has been muddied by the fact that inner cities are more diverse, so it's conflated with that issue.
Once again, a bunch of greedy network execs tried to do an American re-make of a successful British tv show, without understanding or giving a hang about what the original source material was about, or what made it successful.
Guardians Of The Galaxy (2014) is very much an American Red Dwarf. If the US RD had been done properly I think it would have resembled Guardians in execution. Not the same as UKRD, but it's own good thing.
Lower Decks is another attempt at one. It's appalling. As someone said, Futurama is probably the best analogy. It's well liked, but the attitudes are similar.
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I didn't really appreciate how good Danny John Jules was as The Cat and what a difficult character that is to play until I saw someone else try to do it. That's really true of all the actors. Each wears their role like a glove.
Because the actors themselves change the character to make it fit.
someone else trying to fit into the role would be like wearing someone elses glove
in part I think that is becouse the writers rebuild the character for the actor
Exactly. If you listen very carefully to what Doug says at the start of this docuemntary, he says that he and rob had to tailor the characters to fit the actors so the characters have certain characteristic traits that Craig, Chris, Danny, Robert, etc. all have.
Danny played the cat like James Brown. Go watch a bit of James Brown dancing on stage. He is in his own world...just like every cat ever.
@@billschlafly4107 Danny has said that the Cat was a combination of James Brown, Little Richard and Richard Pryor.
Silver lining here is that due to the American pilot not being picked up Robert Llewellyn was able to still be Kryten for series 6.
The best season in the series imo also.
Maybe not a silver lining. The later series are awful, except perhaps the sixth one.
Thanks for finally telling us. We had no idea.
@@thursoberwick1948 he just said Series 6! Smeeeeeeeeee----haaaaaaaaaaaaa
Thank GOD
*British Comedies* = How can we delight and amuse our audience?
*American Comedies* = How can we make as much money, for as long as possible?
Maybe that used to be the case but the UK is rapidly being turned into some horrible little mini corporate USA now.
True, but the US has a rich history of truely great comedies.
that translates to everything in America not just comedy
ludocrat oh wow. Picking apart my poor typing eh. Nice. Well let’s dismiss American Jewish comedians and comedies then (or Jewish humour itself, heavily permeated into US comedy) or the fact the US invented modern standup and had the first comedy clubs, or Steven Wright, or Richard Pryor, or George Carlin, or Tom Hanks, or The Simpsons, or Seinfeld, or Frasier, or This is Spinal Tap, or Ghostbusters... Christ I could go on and on.
Honestly, what have you been smoking? Or do you just love Only Fools and Horses n ‘Towers THAT much. 😂😂 😂.
ludocrat The Simpsons pretty much kicks the shit out of anything the UK has produced, even if it overstayed it’s welcome. And comedy films? Well there’s always Four Weddings or Bridget Jones 😂😂. The thing you’ve obviously failed to grasp if that the US has is size and wealth- so naturally you’ll get some stellar work and utter trash. Pointing at the shit (sex n city) or stuff you personally didn’t care for (Fresh Prince) is to deliberately dismiss anything truely awesome that came from that side of the pond.
Hey, you can always wank yourself silly to Fawlty Towers I guess. Watching a man beat a car with a stick was always my granddad’s favourite bit.
American comedy is often about a gang of broadly similar people who fundamentally love each other despite verbal sparring. British comedy is about a gang of disparate people who pity each other or insult each other, even physically attack each other, are stuck together through conscription / employment and love's optional, occasional.
Pretty much sums up the difference between the UK and US versions of The Office.
not always though, the odd couple was about disparity.
I reckon Futurama is a proper Red Dwarf USA
Fare enough, bender says," just like fun on a bun!!!
Maybe Matt Groening should have been the showrunner on RDUSA, rather than just using some Simpsons writers.
Watch "hyperdrive" on dailymotion, it gets better the more times you watch.
@@eviltaylor1 Hyperdrive is proof that British writters don't bat 100% either. It was so... meh.
@@stainlesssteelfox1 I thought so too the first time, it really grew on me the second time around though.
As a young lad of just 18, straight out of School (year 12) travelling to England. I ended up in Guildford, working at a Wimpy. I saw Red Dwarf's pilot and like everybody I worked with, we went NUTS. OWWW OOH EEE says the cat. Smeghead says Lister. A year later came back to Australia and introduced it to all my friends. I introduced it to my wife in 2000. She's a devotee to her shiny Kochanski Core. I'm still a Complete Smegger. The American version was/is so smegging awful, I want it erased from my memory too. Love the cast, love the writers and crew. I listen to the audio books 1 to 2 times a year as I drive 100+ k. Every night for approx 4 hours. They are part of my psyche.
American producers are all about money. They don't know how much heart and sole goes into every red dwarf episode, from the cast, the crew and the producers. Thats why i will always love english comedy.
Ego. Money is what they claim to want but they make all the decisions which please their own egos. In this case, not listening to the show's creators and pushing their own script, despite how inferior it was and disliked by everyone around them. Their own ego sabotaged the show's success.
Jef The Mef That's the problem with the monetary system. Most art in any form will only be picked up if the majority of a countries population i.e idiots will buy into it.
Mr. Clarke: I prefer salmon to sole.
KutWrite I’m more of a cod person, but I don’t mind salmon from time to time
it's hilarious how you think that doesn't apply to literally any media producer in any country.
Red Dwarf started of as British, and it should always be British. There's really is no need to ever try and change it to accommodate and American audience.
The American audience clearly loves the show, with the awesome cast it already has. Long Live Red Dwarf!
Many of the cultural references don't make it. The US is very insular.
There is a class barrier in the US, but it can be crossed very easily once you have money - not as ingrained as the English class system.
Quark would be the US Red Dwarf.
I agree, some things should stay British for good and Red dwarf, James Bond and Dr who for example.
Americans have got a different sense of humour to us brits I think
We never make a "Britsh " version of an american show, so why does America think they need an !American" version? Its english and people get the jokes....
WaaaaaAAAaaacist
@@MaximusJohal "We never make a British version of an American show" - Apart from Hustle, Spooks, Luther, Coupling, Desmonds, and believe it or not Rainbow (which was inspired by Sesame Street)... which all have obvious American influence.
The title Spooks is even American. No one calls them that over here.
So in conclusion, the US made the show crap because they did not trust the CREATORS OF THE ORIGINAL SERIES?!
It wasnt exactly that. They didnt trust the American Audience
If you go back to the early pitches for reddward they got turned down because There wasnt a window, Jow would they pull back from a sofa...
@TheSmithersy yeah its not that they dont trust the writers they dont trust ths viewers to understand the humor or something they treat Americans like they are stupid. (Atleast they did for a long time.) Smarter more socially aware streaming service showsbare doing well.
More Importantly audiences are getting shows from other countries before they can make a Bastardization of them.
American producers wouldn't know a good show if it bit em in the ass. I'm still sour about The Good Guys being cancelled.
There's a very strange attitude here in the States where too many people think that no matter how good something is, we can do it better. And as far as American audiences not getting foreign shows/movies, unfortunately, that one seems to be true. I know a lot of folks who love US remakes like The Office or Ghosts or Being Human, but can't stand the originals. Or they won't watch a foreign film like Ju-On or Ringu, but we remake it and suddenly it's a hit. I grew up watching British television, so I get the humor, and sadly, most of the remakes we've done have just sucked.
3:41 Robert's American accent is good.
It's supposed to be Canadian.
@@thursoberwick1948no it’s not, that’s kryten. Robert was doing American there
Wait a minute did someone say they tried to remake Fawlty Towers for the US market. I thought Steve Martin playing Inspector Clouseau was misjudged enough but no.
taffwob its aptly called 'PAYNE'
It was set in California.
John Larroquette was in it.
they tried to do ft in usa more than once, the sitcom payne was the most successful attempt, that kept the character.
Amandas it was called
This is such an interesting story, particularly with how Craig put it, they were all upset but couldn't hold a grudge against each other for that reason. It's really similar to how the real Red Dwarf crew will mock and complain about each other but will always band together when the time comes. It's a shame Red Dwarf wasn't able to be adapted as an american show but hey they've gone on to do 7 seasons and a movie on UK television since. Craig Charles hinted last year that they're still not done as well!
I'm really not sure how it happened, but I had really appreciated UK television series from an early age, especially Red Dwarf and Doctor Who. It always makes me a little sad when my friends have never even seen (or even heard of) all the absolute gems that have came out of the UK.
So... we're _not_ the baddies?
Robert Llewelyn at the end was hilarious
Extraordinary!
43000 dollars for a weeks work. I think I'd enjoy it too 😂
Danny John-Jules once said that fans at a U.S. Red Dwarf convention told him they thought the American version (not sure which pilot) was crap.
+azapro911 As proved by the sitcom BIG BANG THEORY. who echo the sentiment
Errm, did you watch the video? He said as much.
Given it was a Red Dwarf convention, did he really expect a different answer? Kind of a self selecting group there.
Terry Farrell would have been a good cat and provided a very different take on the character
Jane Leeves though... Love her. She would have made a great Holly.
All the Holly's were fantastic.
Hilly is funny in this documentary to be fair!
Was Merc Lapedus run the show or something? Listening to these guys talk reminds me so much of the show 'Episodes'
“American comedy prison”
"It was very clean, there was no grunge in it" - Pretty much my thoughts of Season 7 onwards
It's not boring or domestic enough. It should be about killing time in space.
Season 6vof red dwarf was a massive success so they were given more money
I loved 6. hated 7 but enjoyed series 8
The two good things after S6 for me were the new kitchen in Starbug, and the new Kochanski. I adore Chloe Annette's portrayal just as much as Claire Grogan's (met Chloe once).
From about season 3 tbh
I've been a Red Dwarf fan since i was very young, about 11. i had no idea there was an American pilot until today. I'm 35. anyway, gonna check it out now.
What did you think?
@@Caluma122 not a patch on the original
A long time since I watched it, but I recall only one original joke that made me laugh. After they're out of Stasis they find Kryten's head in a cupboard and ask him what he's been doing for 3 million years. He responds "Well I've been reading that 'stop' sign".
Fire 🔥 exit sign.
This week is Chris Barrie's birthday, Sunday March 28th... same day as my oldest daughters birthday! Chris is a delight and a treasure love all the boys from the Dwarf!
It would never have worked because Red Dwarf was part of the uniquely British existential attitude towards science fiction such as The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, not the ‘peuw peuw’ mise en scene of 80s American sci fi.
Right idea, wrong reason....as with all British series/movies which they attempt to make over, whether sci-fi or not, it is the depth of character that the Americans fail over. The comedy of Red Dwarf is based on easy, simply seeming jokes, which in fact are hilarious because of the knowledge and familiarity we have with the people involved. And the characters are people because they've been developed that way.... warts and all....
It's not only science fiction but other types of comedy too. In USA: Someone who is not me got hit in the balls or fell down so I laugh. In UK: People and life in general are absurd and miserable so there's nothing else to do than laugh about it.
@@JuanPerez-cs1gxI don't remember who I heard say it, but I recall a British comedian relating the difference between US and UK mentalities. In the US, most Yanks tend to see themselves as a heroic character, whereas most Brits usually are more comfortable being the downtrodden loser. I don't know if that's true about my brethren across the pond, but it's true about most Yanks. Personally, I relate more with the British mentality, which is why I love so much British humor. Well, humour.
Amazing to think 14 writers were employed to work on the Red Dwarf pilot, which in running time for NBC would amount to 22 to 23 minutes of content. In the original version, only Rob and Doug wrote the episodes, for a run time of 29 minutes of content per episode. Says everything doesn't it?
Really about 14 minutes.
@@pressureworks 14 writers brought in to create a 22 minute sitcom. Whereas in Britain, only Rob and Doug wrote the episodes for the first six seasons.
@@johnking5174 I said really 14 minutes is the actual content time these days.
What was the Lee Harvey Oswald clip at 11:45 about?? 😕
It's from an episode in series 7, but i'm not wholly sure what its relevance was in that context though. Unless the person who edited this was alluding to some class difference between LHO and JFK.
Doug is talking about the class system in America. JFK was upper class member of American society who became President, who was gunned down by Lee Harvey Oswald a working class guy. I think that is why they used it.
@@johnking5174 that's a bit tenuous. Surely the rockefellers and the fowk coming through the dust bowl would have been a better reference?
@@seldom_seen_kid I did not edit this - I am just giving you my opinion - it is not gospel
@@johnking5174 settle down JK.
I too was just giving my opinion.
It'll be interesting to see if the new script for the U.S pilot is available to read online.
Hollywood TV is totally counter to 'art for art's sake'. It's all: lets have faux-clever one-liners and canned laughter so it plays in Peoria and next year we can move to Malibu.
Sounds like you're describing The Big Bang Theory
I do wonder if Hollywood was ever a place for art even in it's early days.
kryten towards the end, he was just like Dave Allen talking Very Funny!
Fawlty Towers wasn't working because of Basil Fawlty?!
Madderthanmadmadmen!
If a programme had Basil Fawlty in now, it would receive a lot of complaints.
Fawlty Towers without Basil Fawlty is essentially _Newhart._ Not that that's a bad thing mind you. It's just a different thing.
8:03 you can take Craig out of the angry poems, but you can't take the angry poet out of Craig.
Pure Craig, he and Hattie were the only ones not invited over. At that stage with so much involvement of the Brit crew, NBC should have just pumped money into upping the budget on the BBC series.
The Americans got "The Orville" its ok but not red dwarf, as the series has gone on the humour has gone too. Red Dwarf 30 years later is still funny.
True, the Orville isn't quite as good as Red Dwarf... but still better than most other shows currently on!
Orville is, in actuality, some of the worst garbage I’ve ever seen and is right up there with the two RD American pilots. Utter utter tripe
Orville struggled with tone initially, the profane family guy humour of the 1st series was gradually phased out as Seth McFarlane decided he wanted to tell more morality stories like the Stsr Trek: The Next Generation. Given those too shows share a lot of writers and producers that's why the Orville is more the spiritual successor to 90s era Star Trek than current era shows like Discovery. A slightly paler facsimile but still... OK.
Just watched [art 1 and this (part 2). Where's part 3? Can't find it anywhere, not even in your playlist, @Ace Rimmer ?! Surprised nobody else has asked too.
There is no part 3. Part 2 is the last part.
@@acerimmer3717 Ah ok. Thank you. That explains it then. :)
9:47 So am I Craig, so am I. Not just because Red Dwarf UK would not have continued after Series V, but also because of what I commented on Part 1. If Red Dwarf USA had become a hit, Jane Leeves would never have done Frasier and I would never have become a Frasier fan (which would have been a pity because I love the Niles & Daphne relationship).
Frankly, losing seasons 6+ would not have been much of a loss.
ExBruinsFan Season 6 is probably the best
J'avo Whiffer Oh yes, I think "Gunmen of the Apocalypse" is the best of Series VI.
@@demcra3485 6 maybe, but nothing after that.
the brits aren't full of themselves, don't take themselves too seriously, and have a great time and a laugh. It shines through. The americans, it's all about money first, not art. What they don't get, great art makes money to follow. 14 writers can't have a vision of what it is they would like to make.
Hardly call RD "great art"
I just find it weird that the longer this went on, the more they kept trying to add members of the British cast to this American remake. So you just basically end up with the British show, but made in Hollywood. Esp if they'd accepted Doug and Rob's scripts. Can you imagine if it had taken off, and Red Dwarf was more well known as an American 90's sitcom, rather than the Brit show it started as?
Red Dwarf is set in space, Kryten and the Kat have pseudo US accents. Captain Hollister was American. It never needed a US version
Lister however is more British than fish and chips served in a bowler hat and in the feeble minds of American producers of the time that was unacceptable for a protagonist.
@11:55 any explanation for the tiny snippet of a JFK assassination movie?
Alternatively, it is the asassination of a British comedy classic.
It's from the Red Dwarf Series 7 episode Tikka To Ride (1997)
I honestly think they didn't make it American enough, look at Steptoe or The Office, the amount of changes they make basically create a different show.
Yes, each idea needs to be tailored for it's culture.
Exactly what Doug said, they didn’t tailor the scripts to the actors so it failed. I’m glad it failed but hey, perhaps they could try again now in the 2020’s.
I love the British "I don't want to go to America."
Why would they? British TV work is very different process. In the states, a sitcom runs to over 26 episodes, meaning 26 weeks of work on one sitcom. Yes they could earn a large salary, but it can become soul destroying when you are churning out a huge amount of episodes per season. British sitcom seasons tend to run to 6, 7 or 8 episodes at most.
Oh dude, I didn't mean it in a bad way. I genuinely just thought it was funny. Like haha funny.
@@johnking5174 It's like what happened with Paul Whitehouse, Johnny depp was a fan of his comedy which is how he ended up on the fast show, then Johnny introduced Paul to his director friends who cast him in a few movies etc, thing is Paul prefers the British system where he is allowed to write and act and be the showrunner for his own projects rather than being told what to do by suits, so he gave up. Same with Hugh Laurie who described House as torture towards the end.
Danny looks about 20 in this video- is he immortal?
I think this was made ages ago.... Also, black people tend to age well.
This was a DVD extra so it's nearly 20 years old.
I've had the pleasure of meeting Danny at a convention. Yes, he is immortal.
I met him once. I couldnt stop smiling. Made my day.
Would have been worth it just to see Terry Farrell in her red catsuit. Kind of ironic, really. She played a cat with nine lives and would later play a character that was a host to a symbiote that had experienced many lives. I quite liked that different version of Cat, though.
The casting of Lister was a huge misstep. Right there, it showed that the execs didn't really have an understanding of the show or its characters. Lister is a likeable, down to earth, slob. Someone every man aspires to be. You couldn't see the American one using his teeth to cut his own toenails. But this kind of BS has always been an issue in Hollywood when they're trying to adapt British comedy material. Terry Pratchett said in an interview years ago that preliminary work had begun on turning Mort into a movie. Except that they wanted to change everything, including the character of Death. The execs involved didn't think that audiences were ready to see Death as a humorous character ... then a few months later, Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey lands. Like he said, Hollywood execs are idiots.
Terry Farrell and Jane Leeves are the highlights here. Ironic given the original series was so male orientated.
This shows the problem with Hollywood /American TV. They rehash and remake everything, but have no clue what made the original great.
I am American and love British TV Red Dwarf is one if my favorites, the US pilot was crap, missed everything that made the original the classic.
Haha, that fake American laughter
HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAAAAAAA!
its the customer service/see you in court laugh
It's the original bbc canned cockney laughter from 1966
The attitudes of the American producers....it deserved to fail.
I will have to see the pilot.
It is on RUclips
Was it any good?
Why did you need to make a USA version? You don't see the UK making a reboot of Friends do you for example.
what the hell is the jfk clip doing at 11:44... am I missing something? conspiracy?
It's from the Tikka to Ride episode of Red Dwarf where they go back in time and accidentally thwart the assassination of JFK.
John Cleese said about British comedy that he and the Python guys went to Michael Mills head of BBC comedy and did an awful pitch of what would be Monty Python. Michael told them go away and make 13 shows, and they did. That was it. Totally different world to American comedy shows.
That's how it used to be. But Brit TV hasn't been that free for decades. On Faulty Towers, Head Of Light Entertainment Bill Cotton didn't find anything funny in the scripts, but he trusted Cleese's abilities and let him make it. Likewise, Only Fools And Horses got lukewarm ratings for the first two series. These days it'd be axed after the first, but the BBC believed that shows sometimes needed a few series to grow audiences.
@@davidjames579 Well they do, but they can't afford to wait that long any more. It has to perform within a few shows or it's finished.
@@Cheepchipsable Exactly they won't even let the whole series play, despite having made the episodes.
The BBC is socialism, it's funded by British license payers to provide entertainment to the people. Apart from PBS, American Networks are set up to sell to advertisers and to make the most capital as possible which leaves the huge flaw that in general most new shows will not make it past pilot or first series as they won't generate enough revenue quickly enough and even worse than that is the fact that the most popular shows are normally the ones aimed at the lowest common denominator so the average intelligence of the populace lowers so selling a Sci fi comedy in the states will always be an uphill battle.
Or I could put it this way, when America were showing the live feed of Apollo missions in the 60's people rang up to complain that it was boring and to play re-runs of I love Lucy instead, something tells me if Britain had been first to the moon the live feed of the astronauts would never have been cut to make way for crude comedy
@@A-small-amount-of-peas I guess you have nothing to do on this May day, that you compiled that piece of nonsense.
Didn't know they tried to adapt Fawlty Towers as well... THREE TIMES!?
I've seen a clip of the Fawlty Towers dinning experience, I thought that was bad enough.
How on earth could red dwarf cross over to the USA . It’s totally British & most of the gags are so nuanced. Also they have created a comedy universe over decades!
It is possible... rarely happens, but it has been done. The US The Office was brilliant. but very different to the UK version.
Yeah, the Cat is a British character.
...The original creators of RED DWARF and their efforts to make this something special despite all the BS does show through even so. It's not what it could have been but it's got some damn funny bits.
I'll take these two pilots as alternate universe occurrences which parallel the original.
8:12 When Lister wentWoke. Sad to see that BS affecting the UK, whilst I agree the trade was general shite regardless.
The irony and sad truth is that it is actually White actors that are being replaced by dark groidlings. I would love to see White actors complain about being radically rewritten without a mass media indignant bloodfart, but then that wouldn't be the Agenda now would it? I am sourly disappointed that CC had to go below the belt and pull the "pity me" wog-line, after all he isn't 100% black but a mischling. Kind of rich though how they always take the dark side, it has more victim perks because trying to elicit sympathy by being White doesn't really fly among the "hate Wht1ey" programmed commie bots.
guest what NBC want to give another shot at making the US version of Red Dwarf
Is there a part 3?
No part 3.
@@acerimmer3717 Thanks, big man.
What episode of red dwarf was at 1:50 to 2:05
Kevin Kenney thanks
Great documentary. Was nice to see that they all think RD:USA was a joke.
I think the point is, it wasn't a joke. ;-)
RoastLambShanks
Good point. Poor choice of words there. Not so much a joke. More an abomination.
11:46 - 47: "There is a class system everywhere." Cut to Lee Harvey Oswald about to Kill Kennedy. What the Hell?!?
It's from the Red Dwarf episode Tikka To Ride
The americans should have done a series, Called it White Dwarf in the same universe but 3 million light years in the opposite direction with unique characters clashing in dinamically diferant bubt the same ways. make it their own.
It would have been better if they switched Rimmer and Dave Lister on the US one.
They want "likeable" people as leads, and in their minds, only tall good looking people can be "likeable", small ugly people are automatically annoying and pedantic - that's why Rimmer was average looking and smaller.
Another excellent example of British subterfuge with that slipping a new but verboten script, to the US cast.
8:15 ha bloody ha ha ha!!!
How strange that there was the little problem of where Red Dwarf US pilot was taped = NBC wanted it in their Burbank Studios, Rob and Doug chose Universal Studios. Now in 2022, NBC and Universal are all one company!
Craig Charles has a mischievous twinkle in his eyes when he smiles/smirks. That is what makes him the best Lister. Nothing against the American actor, but he just doesn’t have the spark.
I seem to remember that being a part of one of the episodes in the original series....or am I drunk?
I bet the guys from Trailer Park Boys could've done it justice, and may argue about a class system.
And don't throw Canada at me.
Edit. Just heard Doug talk about the reality of the US class system.
The main reason fantastic British comedies dont work in America is that it all has to be rewritten so it is a)more viewer friendly and b)so a"moral"can be learnt at the end of every episode they produce,British comedy doesnt work like that,Red Dwarf,The Inbetweeners,Shameless,Fawlty Towers,Men Behaving Badly...these shows always ended with the characters basically learning nothing by sacrificing a moral for a big laugh, when the shows are rewritten they lose 90% of the humour that made them hits
I wonder if the writers of "Episodes" based their premise on the fate of "Red Dwarf" in the USA?
That and the tradition of this always happening on US remakes (with the exception of The Office and Shameless). I think what happened with the failed US remake of Coupling was probably more of an influence (a more recent remake, of a romantic sitcom, with the British husband and wife creators of the show going to Hollywood and hitting the culture clash and American TV dumbing down).
The “white dwarf” comment is funnier than the entire US pilot lmao
The irony is that Craig Charles was cast as Lister so that The Cat wouldn't come off as a stereotype and Battle's "Cat" was recast as a part for Terry Farrell for the same reason!
Us pilot as a raw product was pretty good...especially holly.
mostly, but the off-the-wall line about giving the cat beer 🐈 🍺 🤯 almost made up for it. The Kryten's eyeballs in the coffee punch line was also terrific, even if the setup of him short-circuiting went on too long.
the Terry Farrel Cat was okay, but I'm glad the UK version stayed. VI is very strong
@@ShamrockParticle I laughed at that line when Leeves' computer says "Actually that one felt good". The female casting in the American version is much more interesting, ironic given that the British one was much more male orientated (especially back when Norman Lovett was the computer(
The problem is that there's often quite a big difference between British and American humor.
+Captain Crazy Yes, the difference is one is intelligent and the other is not. In general.
+florbalmb98 Yes the american one is not intelligent :D
*Dumps your tea into the harbor while looking you in the eye* Well to be honest you're basically right.The Brits have a way of doing a dry, non-pretentious style of humor that we Americans can only rarely get right. Which is why we never should have tried to Americanize Red Dwarf in the first place. Or Doctor Who, for that matter.
devospudc The american doctor who movie was actually good and i enjoyed it.
+Christian W Silly American! Everyone knows your meant to put the teabags in BEFORE the water, NOT after!
And yes, I know this comment is a year old
"Whaddya mean some Brit tried to change the script!! It's brilliant as it is! I don't care if they originally wrote Red Dwarf they don't know what's funny!!"
You sir are a total TIT
@@schmally4111 It's sarcasm.
I didn't even realize there was a US Red Dwarf.. looks like that was a good thing.
Same. I thought this was just a doc about the UK one.... just made in America.
British comedy and American comedy are worlds apart. You can't have an American Red Dwarf, just like an American Are You Being Served, Mr. Bean, One Foot in the Grave, Dad's Army, 'Allo 'Allo and several others just would not work as an American series.
11:44 thats a pretty random clip of Lee Harvey Oswald about to shoot JFK .. umm wha da fuk?
It's from a later RD episode they travel through time and accidently stop it.
8:49 Race is considered more important than ability, these days.
I find it very interesting that you see acting ability is correlated with whiteness.
I find it even more interesting that therefore for you if they made a modern day red dwarf you would be getting annoyed and triggered over the cast and think Craig and Danny shouldn't play lister and cat as they must be worse than a white person.
@@Alex-cw3rz
In the early 90's they picked the best actor first and changed the role to fit the person.
Now they would pick an actor on race, and not adapt the role.
@@Alex-cw3rz Second
*I find it even more interesting that therefore for you if they made a modern day red dwarf you would be getting annoyed and triggered over the cast and think Craig and Danny shouldn't play lister and cat as they must be worse than a white person.*
How dare you insinuate such a digusting thing, you should be ashamed of yourself.
@@Infernal460 Oh really and what's changed are you a casting agent or did you just pull that out of your arse? Come on tell me how it's changed or was just vage wokeness that can't be seen in any way except from some RUclips reactionaries the only tell...
More importantly you ignored the premise didn't you, if it was made today you would say they were chosen for an agenda you have to agree with that because that's what you said and therefore what you are saying is wrong because you agree they were picked correctly. Now do you see how ridiculous your assertion is. And again you have not addressed the fact that what you are saying is whiteness in your head is correlated with ability for a modern day role/any role after you were indoctrinated into your present ideology.
@@Alex-cw3rz I find it very interesting you seem to function without a brain...
As the great novelist and old Twilight Zone writer Charles Beaumont said 'Attaining success in Hollywood is like climbing a gigantic mountain of cow flop, in order to pluck one perfect rose from the summit. And you find when you’ve made that hideous climb … you’ve lost the sense of smell'. Only a tiny percentage of shows made in America end up half way endurably decent because the dumbest people have the power.
If they accepted the rewritten script, Red Dwarf US would've worked.
I did NOT recognize Kryten without his make up.
I bet craig especially felt shit, they had robert, then asked chris and danny. But not Craig.
kaw203
Most likely due to his Scouse accent. Americans would struggle to follow it.
@@jim191185 Apart from the Beatles maybe, they would be completely confused by it. It does make a case for Lister being a Bostonian or New Yawker - somewhere with an odd American accent. (Not a Texan - too obvious.)
So basically by various things happening to prevent the script being filmed, that sounds to me like sabotage.
NBC are used to that - just ask Conan O'Brien
i agree i've seen it on youtube and its ship. If i was rob and doug i would of pulled out completely and left it to the americans
The funniest part of this was when he said "let's see the white people, the black people and the yellow people" my jaw dropped for a second,( couldn't believe it) before I was crying with laughter 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭🤪
I have never seen the second American pilot ever or any clips of it. surely if it were really leaked and not just talk youtube would be full of it? at this point I think the second one doesn't exist in the wild
Its here ruclips.net/video/nfJsViD9SjM/видео.html
wow thanks ^~^
They changed the format from the UK version to the US version for no reason and they train wrecked it; what I would like to know is how popular is the UK version in the US and does it have a strong fan base like the UK??? I still hold out hope for a big budget movie version of the stoiry with new actors and cameos from the original cast, assuming the UK writers are fully involved.
Final Space is the american Red Dwarf.
I've never understood why Americans take hit British shows and destroy them. It's hard to accept they are so insular &/or egotistical that they can't enjoy a British concept without changing it to an all American one
NBC: Nothing but crap.
Or Never Believe Contracts as in Conan O'Brien fiasco in 2010
American sitcom creation is totally different to British sitcoms. The whole sitcom world in the US seems to be so different to the British way. Loads of writers, so many men in suits watching what you are doing, interference from many people. Compare this to a typical sitcom in Britain with just maybe 1 or 2 writers and that is it.
The Pythons guys ran up against this. Their friend Marty Feldman got his own show, that was co-produced by the British ATV, and an American network. It was shot at studios in the UK. The Pythons were invited by Feldman to write for it. They turned up at the studios, and found there was a Writers Room, packed with Americans. The deal was you had to turn up every weekday and spend 8hrs coming up with gags. The Pythons gave up on this, as the British way was a couple of writers working on stuff at home, or in a pub, and there was no clock watching by the TV company. You just did it in your own time, and then handed it in. The American way for them was too creativity killing because it was like any normal office job, with no room for the mind to roam, just a production line, of what have you got, what have you got.
I would love to Work on a RedDwarf Reboot.
Umm not a Remake
MORE like Battle Star Galactica
Where it is the Same Mythos in a similar setting but Characters are completely re invented
Like The concept of an American version but without the BAD tropes of American TV
Keep the uniqueness of it being a distinctively British Comedy style just Updating it.
The same thing happened with The Young Ones, where Nigel Planer was the only one who was brought over for the US pilot remake. He too saw how shit and missing the point the American creatives were, and was genuinely happy when the show wasn't picked up as he'd signed a 6 series deal.
The comedy show Mash And Peas perfectly parodied US remakes of Brit shows with their idea of an US Only Fools And Horses: ruclips.net/video/zLA7Kx4srUs/видео.html
Llewellyn's right, can't lie, I get why he didn't want to go over there...
Why are there some shots of the Kennedy assassination interspersed? Am I having a seizure?
Because editing...
It's an scene from an episode of Red Dwarf VI, they travel back in time and accidentally prevent the assassination of JFK.
Health insurance and no health insurance. Is that the American class system?
Money or no money, so effectively yes. The UK class system is historically rooted in money too.
@@chrisofnottingham agreed
That basically boils down to employed/unemployed.
The difference is that in the US system you can cross the class barriers once you get money. In the Brit system, you can't.
@@Cheepchipsable Facinating! I was not expecting the class system to be like it is in the US.
@@Cheepchipsable Nope. WASPS are still a thing. Compare the Bushes with the Trumps, they both have money but it is obvious which is upper class.
Didn't "Red Dwarf" get at least one mention on "The Big Bang Theory"?
It did. And on Buffy the Vampire Slayer once.
Yeah, during the blackout episode.
Going by what was planned, they would of had almost the entire English cast (had they been available) minus Craig.... bit weird... something of an issue between the writers and Craig in England at the time?
Could be, but my guess is that it's a matter of accent. Craig would probably be too tricky to understand for the Americans.
Pretty sure he was in prison at that time.
@@DanielRed2 Well RD disappeared for 3 years between Series 6 and 7 anyway, when we were used to one series a year. But yeah, Craig's C's regional accent was def the reason he wouldn't have been cast. At this point on American TV, they might also have had an issue with a Black lead as the hero, and with Kochanski being White (even in the 90's some Southern Broadcasters wouldn't run a mixed race relationship).
Rimmer's RP accent, and Kryten and Cat sounding American would have kept them in, but I guess the hero had to sound American.
Well they wouldn't have had a problem with an Englishman as Lister, (the "bad" guy), since they like to hate on them, but everyone else would have to be very photogenic to be a lead, and of course the females attractive.
They would have looked to an up and coming actor for that.
I doubt it's the writers fault the US producers tried to poach the UK actors. I've no doubt Charles would have been in like Flynn had they offered.
@@Cheepchipsable I'm sure Craig Charles or the writers have made suggestions that Charles was too plain looking to be the lead, which is ridiculous as even now he has a lot of admirers. He's definitely a good looking guy, and his charm and personality add to that, but by American Sitcom standards they wanted someone like Craig Bierko. Bierko (who actually comes across as a really nice guy in interviews), was also up to play Joey in Friends, so I think that says everything.
They were copying and pasting basically and they ran out of the magic toner that made the original great.
If I had my way, I'd go on my own tangent with RD. Something relate-able. Nobody ever does a story about how geeks would react if they had their own ship and faced the dangers like their sci-fi shows would. Sure, people would say "Why call it Red Dwarf, if it's original?" but I would tell them to watch the original pilot.
The class system in England is older than The United States of America itself. It goes working class, the middle class and the higher class
It also doesn't really exist anymore outside of the upper class families. It's not like in the middle ages where if you were born a peasant, then that's what you'd always be. Today, it's entirely possible for a working class person to become middle class. Today's concepts of class and social mobility are pretty analogous between the UK and the USA.
It seems like people have always stratified themselves. Even when a group of people form a gang, you have the leader, his lieutenants and the foot soldiers. The problem is that people tend to abuse their positions of authority and that creates resentment. This is what brings about revolution. Maybe it's less about having a classless society, and more about one where there's always a mutual respect. Because even if you're at the top of a social system, you still need those under you to carry out the orders, and they're less apt to do that when they feel constantly fucked over.
@@brianm2881 It does exist, very much so. Much more in England than in Scotland. You can still be rich in the UK like Alan Sugar and not be posh. Now the whole issue has been muddied by the fact that inner cities are more diverse, so it's conflated with that issue.
Maybe if HBO had taken it on, back then, it might have been ok?
NBC executives were absolutely terrible.
Americans don't need an American version if it's good then it's good. Maybe back in the 80s they thought so..not now.
Once again, a bunch of greedy network execs tried to do an American re-make of a successful British tv show, without understanding or giving a hang about what the original source material was about, or what made it successful.
They think replicating success is easy. as opposed to taking a risk and making something original.
Guardians Of The Galaxy (2014) is very much an American Red Dwarf. If the US RD had been done properly I think it would have resembled Guardians in execution. Not the same as UKRD, but it's own good thing.
Lower Decks is another attempt at one. It's appalling. As someone said, Futurama is probably the best analogy. It's well liked, but the attitudes are similar.