100% agree. These cards have a very formidable legacy, but they've aged much more poorly than many people realize. "Any two monsters is full Orcust combo" is really no big deal when said combo locks you into Dark monsters and also requires you to run a level 7 brick in your deck, on top of having no hand trap resilience. It's just not the type of thing a deck in current YGO wants to be doing anymore, as a splashable engine; I am of course not talking about people who were already on Orcust as their primary deck of choice, but that's still a rogue deck at best.
Im happy dragoon and master peace are playable, didnt expect all these cards to immediately go to 3, but i dont see any of them being played at more than 1 other than diagram in true draco decks
From this list, the card I'm most concerned about is Knightmare Mermaid. What made it so strong is that it has super-generic materials, and that it lets you go into Orcust combo by itself. Orcust locks, but if you do it at the end of the combo it isn't so bad. Basically, take a lot of the generic boards that you're familiar with, and add Dingirsu shenanigans on top of it (either as destruction protection, or as an additional interrupt with Babel + Cymbal Skeleton). In it's purest form, this requires but a single main-deck slot for the Knightmare, but 4 slots for the combo (generic knighmare link, knightmare mermaid, galatea, dingirsu).
One it's not even a one card combo in itself. It is a card that needs a knightmare monster to go into. So thats not "super-generic". When you think of "super-generic" you think of any monster even a normal monster can be use and even a token. You can look at the amount of knightmare monsters it's not like you have a hand full of them. Sure Orcust works but they only have one Knightmare card. Do you know how many handtraps are in the game. It's why to much stuff. Think about this how many Beastials do you think people play that banishes a dark or light monster. Even boards that just step up a lot of negates. Also Nib which just gets rid of everything. It's so many counters to the deck. It's nothing against the deck but it isn't as powerful. If you ever seen Fiendsmith while it is at full power with other decks that is more broken then Knightmares because it really needs the Orcust cards to be good at all. I will admit some Knightmares can stand on their own. Cerberus, Phoenix, Goblin and even Gryphon is used sometimes. Goblin was the only one on the banlist that was good even though the other two being Cerberus and Phoenix are used the most in almost ever extra deck. Mermaid won't be as broken as it's nothing like the Fiendsmith link 1.
@@BlazingAce20 granted it’s not as good but doesn’t Requiem also take any two monsters for closed heaven, then need to summon Lacrima from deck(ideally)? Mechanically, isn’t mermaid the almost same but less powerful…unless I’m missing something?
I mean.. If Iblee was still legal sure it'd be scary. But Iblee is banned so your only target is Knightmare Orcust now; which you aren't gonna run in anything but an Orcust deck.
@@FearedKamil Orcust only locks after you activate the effect of Knightmare. The solution is simple: you do it last, after you've run out of gas or you've already built the board up. Any two effect monsters can turn into this combo.
What surprised me most was Avramax. I didn't even remember it entering a limited list, let alone being banned. Even though I had it on MD, and even in TCG, I have 2 copies, 1 in my Traptrix deck, as a big beatstick to go over stuff.
They’re letting you know Avramax in the pack. I thought the same too I was like wtf but if you read the text above it it says revealed cards and that’s for the upcoming selection pack
Centurion can make this card as part of there turn 1 end board. Now you got this card to worry about on top of a potential Cosmic Blazer Dragon being on the board.
I made a meme about summoning Dragoon, Branded is the way, Lubellion easily summons him, like first turn summon. It's insane. Verte is a waste of space cause you don't gotta pay LP with Lubellion lol
Im going to try and run Goblin in my ABC deck and my Vanquish souls deck. Im debating trying to put dragoon in VS since having a brick in hand can still activate some VS effects.
Already bought all the Knightmare cards on the off-chance they'd come back. The game has become so fast, I don't think they'll make much of an impact on the top 5 current decks.
Do you even want to play mermaid when the new support comes out? You're going to need to waste extra deck slots just to summon out orcust knightmare, when normal summon harp or girsu already goes into full combo. Plus, it's not like you can normal summon orcust knightmare out if you brick on it
I think I saw a scary tenpai combo where they go Secret Village + Dragoon as their turn 1 Don't really remember the whole route, but after using Sangen summoning, they made AFD to change it to Secret village then the usual anaconda > dragoon something like that
Ah yes and then you kaiju them and watch them cry because they have no spellcasters lmao. That's not scary. If they have no spellcaster then neither can use spells lmao but it be funny if the other player doesnt need to use spells.
@@BlazingAce20 not all the time that will work lmao. I have a Tenpai/ Centur-Ion deck with Ancient Fairy Dragon as the bridge. I normally wait after they Kaiju and then Primera into their Kaiji to start my combo. Works everytime 😂
If your deck needs an aditional normal summon, it's probably not good enough to compete anyway. We can maybe see Goblin as an extender in Yubel or Snake Eye decks that they only use if they get handtrapped. I will also try it out in rescue ace because that deck heavily benefits from extra normal summons
Thank you for explaining the history of these cards. For me, who has joined YGO recently, I cannot gauge how good or bad the card is or why they were banned in the first place to begin with. This helps me a lot.
Agree everyone is just overhyping when I heard they unbanned all the dragon rulers everyone just say dragon link tier one and so on lol they didn't even leave a mark and now we have cards like knightmares when iblee is banned i thinks its fair plus all these cards needs bricks to play them imagine drawing a vanilla monster on your opening hand yikes we have diabelstar and the fiendsmith engine that can play without any consistency issues.
Until you see games can you really say that. Oh wait you might say different when Fiendsmith is out in January right. A better link 1 that is way more broken then mermaid. Not everything can work together well.
@BlazingAce20 I played fiendsmith for the context It just annoying that konami make a card that can make every deck mono It happen with adventure Fiendsmith and orcust Verte and etc Not healty in that sense And iam not saying that mermaid is broken No but mono build that isnt my thing
From this banlist, we can see Konami is ready to embrace the chaos. I want to see an event in MD where every card in history is unbanned, at three. Bring back Halq, bring back VFD, bring back the Ishizu cards. I want to see the old meta, the new meta, the rouge and the unplayable decks being fcked by this change. Honestly, would make a heck of an April Fool event
Ban list? This is more like a Prison Break
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Spot on. Now my TCG DM white forest toy box aka the Tenpai slayer is available on master duel
Because it is a prison break
Sweaaarrr my brain is not gonna take this punishment 🙄
100% agree. These cards have a very formidable legacy, but they've aged much more poorly than many people realize. "Any two monsters is full Orcust combo" is really no big deal when said combo locks you into Dark monsters and also requires you to run a level 7 brick in your deck, on top of having no hand trap resilience. It's just not the type of thing a deck in current YGO wants to be doing anymore, as a splashable engine; I am of course not talking about people who were already on Orcust as their primary deck of choice, but that's still a rogue deck at best.
Dragoon is still a good boss monster.
Im happy dragoon and master peace are playable, didnt expect all these cards to immediately go to 3, but i dont see any of them being played at more than 1 other than diagram in true draco decks
diagram is also crazy in dino
From this list, the card I'm most concerned about is Knightmare Mermaid. What made it so strong is that it has super-generic materials, and that it lets you go into Orcust combo by itself. Orcust locks, but if you do it at the end of the combo it isn't so bad. Basically, take a lot of the generic boards that you're familiar with, and add Dingirsu shenanigans on top of it (either as destruction protection, or as an additional interrupt with Babel + Cymbal Skeleton). In it's purest form, this requires but a single main-deck slot for the Knightmare, but 4 slots for the combo (generic knighmare link, knightmare mermaid, galatea, dingirsu).
One it's not even a one card combo in itself. It is a card that needs a knightmare monster to go into. So thats not "super-generic". When you think of "super-generic" you think of any monster even a normal monster can be use and even a token. You can look at the amount of knightmare monsters it's not like you have a hand full of them. Sure Orcust works but they only have one Knightmare card. Do you know how many handtraps are in the game. It's why to much stuff. Think about this how many Beastials do you think people play that banishes a dark or light monster. Even boards that just step up a lot of negates. Also Nib which just gets rid of everything. It's so many counters to the deck. It's nothing against the deck but it isn't as powerful. If you ever seen Fiendsmith while it is at full power with other decks that is more broken then Knightmares because it really needs the Orcust cards to be good at all. I will admit some Knightmares can stand on their own. Cerberus, Phoenix, Goblin and even Gryphon is used sometimes. Goblin was the only one on the banlist that was good even though the other two being Cerberus and Phoenix are used the most in almost ever extra deck. Mermaid won't be as broken as it's nothing like the Fiendsmith link 1.
@@BlazingAce20 granted it’s not as good but doesn’t Requiem also take any two monsters for closed heaven, then need to summon Lacrima from deck(ideally)?
Mechanically, isn’t mermaid the almost same but less powerful…unless I’m missing something?
I mean.. If Iblee was still legal sure it'd be scary. But Iblee is banned so your only target is Knightmare Orcust now; which you aren't gonna run in anything but an Orcust deck.
@@FearedKamil Orcust only locks after you activate the effect of Knightmare. The solution is simple: you do it last, after you've run out of gas or you've already built the board up. Any two effect monsters can turn into this combo.
What’s a goon to a goblin? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 LETS GO
Lil Wayne?
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@@RatedRko257 Real shit
Dragoon has been power crept for a while now, but it'll be an interesting tech card to see splashed into decks that can field it.
What surprised me most was Avramax. I didn't even remember it entering a limited list, let alone being banned. Even though I had it on MD, and even in TCG, I have 2 copies, 1 in my Traptrix deck, as a big beatstick to go over stuff.
Avramax wasn't on the banlist
They’re letting you know Avramax in the pack. I thought the same too I was like wtf but if you read the text above it it says revealed cards and that’s for the upcoming selection pack
@@zacharyhampton9978 fair. 'cause I used him a fewweeks ago, and it'd be weird if he went on the limited/banlist just to be removed this fast.
you can also open a new window and search cards in master duel meta so you don’t have to keep opening ygo edo/pro
Centurion can make this card as part of there turn 1 end board. Now you got this card to worry about on top of a potential Cosmic Blazer Dragon being on the board.
I made a meme about summoning Dragoon, Branded is the way, Lubellion easily summons him, like first turn summon. It's insane. Verte is a waste of space cause you don't gotta pay LP with Lubellion lol
Im going to try and run Goblin in my ABC deck and my Vanquish souls deck. Im debating trying to put dragoon in VS since having a brick in hand can still activate some VS effects.
With Iblee banned I don't think Orcust will be problematic.
As an orcust player even if we had it the deck still wouldn’t be tiered
Yeah rogue at best depending on the format and that would have to include modern engines/tech
I thought about Goblin being an abc card too when I first saw it.
Already bought all the Knightmare cards on the off-chance they'd come back. The game has become so fast, I don't think they'll make much of an impact on the top 5 current decks.
Do you even want to play mermaid when the new support comes out? You're going to need to waste extra deck slots just to summon out orcust knightmare, when normal summon harp or girsu already goes into full combo. Plus, it's not like you can normal summon orcust knightmare out if you brick on it
Dragoon isn’t the issue, anaconda still unban is
Even if Verte gets banned, there's still a cheap way to summon Dragoon, and that's with Lubellion
doesn't Red Eyes Fusion have a restriction that prevents you from summoning other monsters besides setting them?
Anaconda also does that
@nziom doesn't that mean you can never end anything with it in the first turn besides spells/traps?
@@jest5837 it means you'll have to wait after you finish your combo to do the anaconda line
anaonda ignores that restriction. is an old ruling. check it.
@@trolbgamer3560 damn really? that's so weird but I'll definitely check it
*Crazy train starts playing*
I think I saw a scary tenpai combo where they go Secret Village + Dragoon as their turn 1
Don't really remember the whole route, but after using Sangen summoning, they made AFD to change it to Secret village then the usual anaconda > dragoon
something like that
Ah yes and then you kaiju them and watch them cry because they have no spellcasters lmao. That's not scary. If they have no spellcaster then neither can use spells lmao but it be funny if the other player doesnt need to use spells.
@@BlazingAce20 what do you expect from a turn 1 tenpai? Just like Cali's example, the other "distruption" would be a hieratic seals
@@BlazingAce20 do you think you play kaiju for only that
@@BlazingAce20 not all the time that will work lmao. I have a Tenpai/ Centur-Ion deck with Ancient Fairy Dragon as the bridge. I normally wait after they Kaiju and then Primera into their Kaiji to start my combo. Works everytime 😂
Isnt orcust getting a new link 1? Mermaid might not even make the cut for orcust anymore.
Red-eyes support RISE UP!!!
Cali at this point its time to ubanned Needle Halqifibrax I'm just saying??😅
Hell no
Never.
I'm just waiting for fiendsmith and then it's over lol
Same, they are taking their time
All of these cards are going to 3!! Insane
If your deck needs an aditional normal summon, it's probably not good enough to compete anyway. We can maybe see Goblin as an extender in Yubel or Snake Eye decks that they only use if they get handtrapped. I will also try it out in rescue ace because that deck heavily benefits from extra normal summons
they are testing the water with mermaid because new link 1 orcust flop
Everyone’s gonna be summoning dragoon for fun for a week lol
Thank you for explaining the history of these cards. For me, who has joined YGO recently, I cannot gauge how good or bad the card is or why they were banned in the first place to begin with. This helps me a lot.
Agree everyone is just overhyping when I heard they unbanned all the dragon rulers everyone just say dragon link tier one and so on lol they didn't even leave a mark and now we have cards like knightmares when iblee is banned i thinks its fair plus all these cards needs bricks to play them imagine drawing a vanilla monster on your opening hand yikes we have diabelstar and the fiendsmith engine that can play without any consistency issues.
At long last DM will have its revenge on the meta.
At this point they could as well unbann dark matter dragon, broadbull, eclipse wyvern etc
They got dark matter craftable for unlimited play style, hopefully he actually gets unbanned
Honestly the only card thats going to be really see use is dragoon these other cards could have been unbanned honestly
ib add succesion is still fire jsyk, runick kashtira rose dragon is just diet kitchen synch
The link ib is far better. She sets instead bypassing ash and she no target shuffled when used as link material
It game on now wow they hit us with the spam list master duel got an up grand
Fiendsmith unbanned before it came out
Muddy muddragon is the way
Cloudian can make dragoon
All except dragoon sounds good. That dude gonna be in every deck as their new "boss" monster
Yeah for like a week until people realize it's bad.
@@devinbannish1469 dragon link and branded is the only ones that can run it with no problems
Love these unbans fr. Free Block dragon next
Are any of those worth investing in?
Two only, dragoon and master peace W/ true draco field spell. I am not sure the rest, wait for reveals in the set.
Forgot the mekka knight link “on the screen see”.
Sooooo ban anaconda right??? RIGHT??? It’s time to take a long break from master duel again
Dragoon bcm generic,screw komoney
Most of these cards are trash if I’m honest the only one that kinda good is dragoon but only for brand and fusion decks
Nah bro,synchro decks can summon dragoon by using muddragon synchro
@ so not only 3 bricks in deck but 2 extra deck slots for a single negate.
For me mermaid is not healthy
One card full combo orcust
The problem is every deck has the potential to play orcust full combo
Until you see games can you really say that. Oh wait you might say different when Fiendsmith is out in January right. A better link 1 that is way more broken then mermaid. Not everything can work together well.
@BlazingAce20
I played fiendsmith for the context
It just annoying that konami make a card that can make every deck mono
It happen with adventure
Fiendsmith and orcust
Verte and etc
Not healty in that sense
And iam not saying that mermaid is broken
No but mono build that isnt my thing
Dragoon is cheap period. Hate seeing this card in every other game. Whoever thinks it is fun needs to get their head checked.
Cali forgetting Elf is in the game with Goblin
From this banlist, we can see Konami is ready to embrace the chaos. I want to see an event in MD where every card in history is unbanned, at three. Bring back Halq, bring back VFD, bring back the Ishizu cards. I want to see the old meta, the new meta, the rouge and the unplayable decks being fcked by this change. Honestly, would make a heck of an April Fool event
Now that Dragoon is here, I just want Rhongo back. They can just limit sales ban and that card that was used to cheat it out
I dont
Heeyyy i can play my true king yang zing dino deck again
Yo! First!
Honestly the only card thats going to be really see use is dragoon these other cards could have been unbanned honestly