Elhanan - actually did something rather than stealing glory, didn't kidnap and assault a woman, didn't send a loyal follower to his death. Seems like a stand-up guy. No wonder Christians don't give a crap about him.
and apart from that I never understood how one would read the story of David as something heroic: They are supposed to meet in a one-on-one duel to spare the armies, right? Like the Greek heroes. Shepherds are no weaklings petting lambs, they guard the community's life stock and they have deadly slings which can be used to kill birds in flight. Then David shows up with a gun to a spear fight and executes David with a long range weapon. WT actual F. How on earth can you turn this into "God was with him"? Jeeeeeez 🙄
Dr. Dan, encontré su cuenta hace unos días y estoy admirada de encontrar un académico de su nivel aquí en RUclips, le agradezco que de acceso libre a algunos de sus trabajos y las referencias de los textos que usa para presentar sus videos. I hope I can buy your work someday. But what I wanted to say is this: thank you for using subtitles it really helps, you don't have any idea how much matter for some, it does matter to me. Sometimes I can't listen to voices, each voice is heavy and hurts and makes me nervous therefore in those days I can't watch videos/TV. It is amazing to be able to keep watching you in days so bad to me.
@larrywest42 Yes, more so every day we Americans are operating out of a broken epistemology where merit means nothing, and reckless stupidity is elevated to stations of power.
Could you address this next? "So the Lord was with Judah. And they drove out the mountaineers, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the lowland, because they had chariots of iron” I'm thinking about buying an iron chariot in anticipation of the second coming.
Thank you. I have always thought the translations of the Bible are suspect. But your incredible knowledge confirms that in a way I never could. I wish everyone could or would listen to you. The reason I care so deeply is because I see the damage caused by interpretation of scripture.
For some reason, this video made me think of the concept of "Death of the Author". I wondered if all these people are basically killing God by inserting their preferred interpretations onto the texts. Then I remembered that men wrote the Bible and they've been dead for a long, long time.
Multiple usages of italics doesn't necessarily imply they're inconsistent. The same could be said of plenty of other uses of punctuation. Capital letters can denote formality, or divinity, etc. This is consistent throughout literature in general. Italics are used to imply emphasis, inner monologues, etc. I'm not aware of the KJV implying or stating a singular use of italics which are then, therefore violated. Your videos are a lot of fun to contemplate. Thank you so much.
@maklelan Doesn't 1 Samuel 48-50 recount David defeating "the Philistine," which seems to call back to 1 Samuel 4, identifying Goliath as "the Philistine"? I understand that Chronicles was written/compiled much later, so it makes sense that they could have appropriated the story and injected David into it. But 1 Samuel is much older than Chronicles, so how does that square with the story in 2 Samuel? I do not know any Biblical Hebrew or Greek, so I'm just going on what's in the NRSV. Is there a similar twisting of words in the translation of 1 Samuel?
1 Samuel 17:54 says that David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem, but in 2 Samuel 5, Jerusalem was still a Jebusite city during Saul’s reign; the Jebusites there telling David he was not welcome until he “removed the blind and the lame” (their way of saying never come back). It wasn’t conquered until after David became king. Again, chances are higher that what was written in 2 Samuel 21 about Goliath came first.
55Now as Saul watched David going out to fight the Philistine, he asked Abner, the general in command of the army, “Whose son is that young man, Abner?” Abner replied, “As surely as you live, O king, I don’t know.” 56 The king said, “Find out whose son this boy is.” 57 So when David returned from striking down the Philistine, Abner took him and brought him before Saul. He still had the head of the Philistine in his hand. 58 Saul said to him, “Whose son are you, young man?” David replied, “I am the son of your servant Jesse in Bethlehem.”- The familiar story of David and Goliath, when Saul first finds out who David is, as laid out in 1 Samuel 17. But we have this from the previous chapter, 1 Samuel 16: 14 Now the Spirit of the Lord had turned away from Saul, and an evil spirit[t] from the Lord tormented him. 15 Then Saul’s servants said to him, “Look, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. 16 Let our lord instruct his servants who are here before you to look for a man who knows how to play the lyre. Then whenever the evil spirit from God comes upon you, he can play the lyre[u] and you will feel better.” 17 So Saul said to his servants, “Find[w] me a man who plays well and bring him to me.” 18 One of his attendants replied,[x] “I have seen a son of Jesse in Bethlehem who knows how to play the lyre. He is a brave warrior[y] and is articulate[z] and handsome,[aa] for the Lord is with him.” So Saul sent messengers to Jesse and said, “Send me your son David, who is out with the sheep.” 20 So Jesse took a donkey loaded with bread, a container of wine, and a young goat[ab] and sent them to Saul with[ac] his son David. 21 David came to Saul and stood before him. Saul liked him a great deal,[ad] and he became his armor-bearer. 22 Then Saul sent word to Jesse saying, “Let David be my servant, for I am very pleased with him.”[ae] 23 So whenever the spirit from God would come upon Saul, David would take his lyre and play it. This would bring relief to Saul and make him feel better. Then the evil spirit would leave him alone." So 1 Samuel 16 tells an entirely different story of Saul meeting David. Have you ever discussed these discrepancies?
There is a theory (which I got from watching the archaeologist Israel Finkelstein) that I quite like. It goes like this... the story of David killing Goliath was repurposed around the end of the 7th century BCE. Prior to that time, the dominant neo-Assyrian empire was in control of the lands of the Northern Kingdom. But then the neo-Assyrian empire collapsed, (over-extended and facing revolts from the Babylonians and Medes). In this vacuum, the southern Kingdom of Judah felt they had the best claim to the north, but the power they would have to defeat to take the north was Egypt. At that time, Egypt employed Greek Hoplites as their shock troops, stationed in Egyptian controlled Philistia. So the revised story is propaganda to show how a small, weakly armed nation of Judah could defeat the heavily armed Greek / Egypt war machine. (The description of Goliath even matches a late 7th century Hoplite, but not a 10th century Philistine). When Josiah was defeated and killed in 609 BC by Necho II at Megido, it put an end to that dream. Finkelstein argues that many ideas, (like there being one unified Jewish people that were given the entire area of Israel by God), come from the time of the power vacuum before Josiah was killed.
The 19th century, when adventists and scholars tried to harmonize it in order to help predict the end of the world and the return of Jesus using discovered manuscripts and a focus on "the real meaning." Nobody really cared about Bible mistakes until 200 years ago or so and many that did, such as several founding fathers of the USA just dismissed them, rightfully so, as nonsense that shouldn't matter to a secular society except more some of its more vague ethical ideas that made practical sense.
I would assume around the time that the concept of biblical inerrancy emerged. Unfortunately, for that there is no singular date, as the concept has gone in and out of vogue since the early church fathers, and varied in how strict it was believed.
I'm not sure where it began, the earliest seeds of this idea, though, I know where ended-The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy in 1978. 🤷🏽♂️ it basically took 1,900 years to figure out.
@ I would agree. Origen and John Chrysotom were already arguing that the Bible was congruent in regards to all matters of faith. Although not a perfect univocality as conceptualized today, as they allowed for historical inconsistencies, it does start the idea that the Bible, in regards to faith, speaks with one voice. Augustine, in chastising Jerome’s portrayal of Paul, reaffirms this theological univocality, as well.
@4:40 Evangelical Fundamentalists, desperately make excuses to keep their opinion that the bible author's writings are "divinely inspired" even though Genesis 1 claims that the vast grasslands and tropical jungles were created on Day 3, before the Sun's HEAT was created afterward on Day 4.
@dvonzosch461 - God also said, "Let there be LIGHT" on the First day. How do you know that that particular "Light" could not have sustained the "Plant Life" God created on the 3rd Day ? Here are all the definitions of that Hebrew word "Light" in Genesis 1:3, ... אוֹר ( light, light of day, light of heavenly luminaries (moon, sun, stars), day-break, dawn, morning light, daylight, lightning, light of lamp, LIGHT OF LIFE, LIGHT OF PROSPERITY, light of instruction, light of face (fig.), Jehovah as Israel's light.) Also, Isaiah 46:10 declares that God "SPEAKS the END FROM THE BEGINNING." So if that is the case, then it makes sense that the "Plant Life" would come FIRST BEFORE the actual SUN, although the "Light" came on Day 1. So if you are quoting from Genesis Chapter 1, then you must also consider the other portions of scripture like Isaiah 46:10.
My reading of 1 Samuel 17 says David killed Goliath and this was while Saul was alive.... and 2 Samuel 21 says Elhanan killed Goliath -- but David was also there but this battle was *after* Saul had died. So it seems to be two separate events. In the second event, either Elhanan killed a different Phillistine named Goliath, or he killed Goliaths still-living brother, as the chronicles passage states. Either way, it doesn't seem to in any way negate the narrative of David killing Goliath, and whether it was Goliath's brother Elhanan killed, or some other person by the same name, doesn't change anything relevant to the message of the gospel. The breakdown of the bethlehemite and Lahmi question was very interesting!
Aside who killed who. What I haven't heard anyone mention is that the way david(we will go with for simplicity) killed goliath would have been considered so underhanded and dishonorable that it wouldn't have been a victory, it would have been shameful. The whole point of sending your best two worriors to face each other was to see who was actually the better worrior. Anyone can use a bow, or sling to kill someone from a distance. It wouldn't have proven anything. More than likely goliath's army would have been more infuriated than frightened. Because they had been dealt such a dishonor. It would have made them fight harder instead of fleeing. It would be like two samurai facing each other in a duel, but one of them just pulls out a crossbow and ends the other one while he was listing his accomplishments. It would have completely destroyed tradition and honor rules. He would have been so shamed that he would have had to commit hari kiri or have his whole family executed. That is the type of thing david did. They were expecting him to fight with honor and instead he just cheated. It's like a boxer winning the world championship by packing his boxing gloves with lead shot.
I have never heard this pronunciation of Elhanan before and it's all I can focus on this preacher saying. "El Hannan." Not to make fun, just I've *never* heard it!
Rocks don't kill people people kill people what about chariots are we going to ban chariots next when they wrote militia they didn't really mean militia they meant anyone could have a rock
Bible, False mighty one of B'bayl (Babylon) known as "Byblos," worshipped for papyrus, a main staple for paper and needs of ancient peoples. "Scribes" wrote "Scripture" on "scrolls." There were no "books" or "Bible." We call the Scriptures the "Tanak & The Natsarim Writings." In Aibreet (Hebrew), scribes (sapayrim) wrote on scrolls (sapayrim), taken from the papyrus reed (soop).
The books of Samuel are known to have textual issues (for example, a missing number and part of a number in 1 Sm 13.1, and a whole paragraph falling out a couple chapters earlier).
Lahmi is the guardian of Enki, Bêt Lahmi is Bethlehem. Lahmi has a sister, the two apotropaic creatures from Mesopotamian mythology are the guardians of the Temple of E.absu in Eridu. Mythology morphs over time.
People need univocality and consistency because they are trained to think in black&white terms. Either the bible is perfect , univocal, and consistent ; therefore, completely "correct" - OR - there are conflicting stories from various perspectives and built with rhetorical goals like politics; therefore, completely "wrong". Muddling through to find the truths that are either helpful or historical and having to learn about the cultures that the stories came from etc. is too much work; it ends up being like reading the news and who wants to do that more than they have to? 😅
I was reading about Roman naming conventions yesterday and there were only about 20 forenames and 16 family names and the third name was basically a sub-family (branch) name so keeping people sorted out was very difficult. You had to list generations (he was the 4th Augustus after the 2 Julius in a row), tie them to some historical event or date (came from Gaul during the first year of Nero's reign), or depend on nicknames (considered too informal for most documents) and titles.
But , if we assume a similar naming structure, we have P(eter) Goliath Philistine with 2 sons P(hil) Goliath Philistine the Elder and P(hil) Goliath Philistine the Younger of which only the family name makes it into the Hebrew Chronicles.
OR you can write off the book as a poorly edited collection of campfire stories, legends, and mythologies gathered by a bunch of ANE smelly herder nomads/marauders in their effort to achieve national reputation through having a written history, to justify their violence and thievery because "the god said so."
The whole section of narrative is full of quirks. There's a woman (Abigail I believe) who pretty much stays in the background here. David had no sword, nor would he take one from his men. The high priest of the temple authorized David to use Goliath's sword. That still doesn't explain the requirement to decapitate Goliath. Jesus teaches through Pilate that is how authority works.....back to Cain and Able.
If memory serves, this was a territory dispute between west bank Semites. I can't recall if there was a time duration involved. If I'm not mistaken, Korah affixed someone's head to the ground with her tent stake. Laying claim of territory if not a body as well. That may have been the final word of Goliath's passing. A woman with no quarter. Sounds like Lilith. In this day and age there are signs of these secret gardens. Removed from sight, unused, barren, and presumed to be forgotten. Leaving mans contempt to consume everything like fire. Her final refuge and resource. Ain't anyone's job to watch this play out, even for a second.
I love how this guy uses the New World Translation. Most people hate that Bible but I like it, not for casually reading as it's horrid in that respect, but for study and questioning renderings I think it's pretty good. Not the 2013 version as that's pretty much an abomination but the 1984 study version is really pretty good to check its cross references.
did you hear the one about the Chinese fella that went to the ophthalmologist. The doctor says I know what your problem is, you have a cataract. The man replied no, I drive a Rinkin Continental.
Goliath isnt nessassarly a proper name. Your study will begin when you get a "strongs concordance" & you start defining every word yourself. The bible never contradicts itself, its either a mistranlation or timing issue or your applying somthing to the wrong group of people. These are letters written to & about groups of peoples, you cant apply every word to everybody. Example who is hebrews written to? Who is romans written to? Why are there 4 gospels all so similar but different? Matthew is written to judah Mark to ephrom Luke to israel John to gentiles
Or.. one could simply read other passages that clearly tells who killed Goliath. 1 Samuel 21:9 KJV - And the priest said, The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom thou slewest in the valley of Elah, behold, it is here wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod: if thou wilt take that, take it: for there is no other save that here. And David said, There is none like that; give it me.
@lavieestlenfer so we have a clear verse that clearly tells explicitly Who killed Goliath and your take is that I'm siding with the clear verse over the ambiguous verses that contain improper sentence structure. Hmm go figure.
@@davidcrane6593That's fine if 1) you don't think the bible is inerrant, and 2) by improper sentence structure you mean perfectly fine sentence structure.
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Goliath - so big they killed him twice.
Lol. I literally laughed out loud!
Goliath is a raid boss. He was defeated in multiple raid battles to get him to drop something valuable.
@@bengreen171 😂😂 right? I mean two same stories, different killer but same Giant and possible brother
Goliath is still alive.
Aaaaand STAY dead!
I heard the siren in the background and thought the "Univocality Police" were coming after Dan.
Beat me to that. You can hear his breath, then pace quicken -- they comin' bois!
No, it's because Chris Hansen told him to have a seat, but McClellan ran away instead.
Come 2025, they might actually arrest Dan for that.
I knew absolutely nothing about this, so I loved every second of this video.
Half the Christians watching this are like, "Elhanon who?"
Elhanan - actually did something rather than stealing glory, didn't kidnap and assault a woman, didn't send a loyal follower to his death.
Seems like a stand-up guy. No wonder Christians don't give a crap about him.
Wow, what a disgusting bigot you are.
Maybe he did, and then David came over and stole the story.
@@meej33Um ,yes. That's the point being made.
@@HiramLoki it was clearly a joke.
and apart from that I never understood how one would read the story of David as something heroic:
They are supposed to meet in a one-on-one duel to spare the armies, right? Like the Greek heroes. Shepherds are no weaklings petting lambs, they guard the community's life stock and they have deadly slings which can be used to kill birds in flight.
Then David shows up with a gun to a spear fight and executes David with a long range weapon.
WT actual F. How on earth can you turn this into "God was with him"?
Jeeeeeez 🙄
Good thing God has us to sort His word out. Silly God.
Dr. Dan, encontré su cuenta hace unos días y estoy admirada de encontrar un académico de su nivel aquí en RUclips, le agradezco que de acceso libre a algunos de sus trabajos y las referencias de los textos que usa para presentar sus videos. I hope I can buy your work someday. But what I wanted to say is this: thank you for using subtitles it really helps, you don't have any idea how much matter for some, it does matter to me. Sometimes I can't listen to voices, each voice is heavy and hurts and makes me nervous therefore in those days I can't watch videos/TV. It is amazing to be able to keep watching you in days so bad to me.
If this scholarship could pervade American culture, we would improve exponentially. We'd be smarter and better.
Which is why anti-education, anti-science, anti-expertise forces always get ample support from powerful groups.
@larrywest42 Yes, more so every day we Americans are operating out of a broken epistemology where merit means nothing, and reckless stupidity is elevated to stations of power.
@@larrywest42Sadly, true
@@HelloNewman1989no, you just have far less merit than you think you do.
@@larrywest42nobody is anti-education, anti-science, or anti-expertise. You just suck. Get over it.
I loved reading Frog and Toad stories to my kids!
Could you address this next?
"So the Lord was with Judah. And they drove out the mountaineers, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the lowland, because they had chariots of iron”
I'm thinking about buying an iron chariot in anticipation of the second coming.
It's hard to believe people are still using the King James version when there are so many better versions out there.
It’s the version that supports the patriarchy the most…
The texts are ancient, and the KJV sounds like the English version of ancient.
Last time I was this early Goliath hadn't been killed by anyone yet!
Goliath has the head of Scorpio and feet of Pisces. He is the five months in Rev. 9.5.
I was raised a Lutheran and we were taught unequivocally that every word of the Bible was inspired and written by God. Oh well.
Thank you. I have always thought the translations of the Bible are suspect. But your incredible knowledge confirms that in a way I never could. I wish everyone could or would listen to you. The reason I care so deeply is because I see the damage caused by interpretation of scripture.
And I'm not even sure they're interpreting as much as they are deciding on a position and finding something they can say supports it.
For some reason, this video made me think of the concept of "Death of the Author". I wondered if all these people are basically killing God by inserting their preferred interpretations onto the texts. Then I remembered that men wrote the Bible and they've been dead for a long, long time.
Inspiring Philosophy has a great video breaking down the history of this text and the differences
Goliath : I never trusted that guy
Cute outfit, Dan, as always.
CSI: Bethlehem
At least two seasons, Goliath and Golgatha.
Brother, you had me looking for the 5-0 when the sirens went off.
Awesome video and awesome shirt!
But...but...but... the pastor said that David killed Goliath, right before the collection. How could he be wrong?
It was something he "et".
@@donaldwert7137 bada boom!
❤❤❤❤thanks Dan!!
Goliaths not dead! But his career is...😅
I saw him in Kmart last week.
Goliath lives.
The translation of ancient Hebrew texts clearly relate that David and Goliath got stoned on Bethlehem Bud.
Not mead?
@@daltonadams4672 Mead is for kids... ;)
Oh no say it isn't so. We have to reclaim Davids medals for killing Goliath.
Get digging folks.
Stolen valor!
Multiple usages of italics doesn't necessarily imply they're inconsistent. The same could be said of plenty of other uses of punctuation. Capital letters can denote formality, or divinity, etc. This is consistent throughout literature in general. Italics are used to imply emphasis, inner monologues, etc. I'm not aware of the KJV implying or stating a singular use of italics which are then, therefore violated.
Your videos are a lot of fun to contemplate. Thank you so much.
Frog and Toad killed Goliath!
Chinese whispers springs to mind.
Cops sometimes say, eyewitness views aren’t always dependable. 🤔
OK, I admit it. I killed Goliath.
Bake him away, toys
@maklelan Doesn't 1 Samuel 48-50 recount David defeating "the Philistine," which seems to call back to 1 Samuel 4, identifying Goliath as "the Philistine"? I understand that Chronicles was written/compiled much later, so it makes sense that they could have appropriated the story and injected David into it. But 1 Samuel is much older than Chronicles, so how does that square with the story in 2 Samuel? I do not know any Biblical Hebrew or Greek, so I'm just going on what's in the NRSV. Is there a similar twisting of words in the translation of 1 Samuel?
1 Samuel 17:54 says that David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem, but in 2 Samuel 5, Jerusalem was still a Jebusite city during Saul’s reign; the Jebusites there telling David he was not welcome until he “removed the blind and the lame” (their way of saying never come back). It wasn’t conquered until after David became king. Again, chances are higher that what was written in 2 Samuel 21 about Goliath came first.
It wasn't me, if that's what you're implying.
It’s always you Raytheon
It was Davey, I never trusted him after what he did to the family home.
55Now as Saul watched David going out to fight the Philistine, he asked Abner, the general in command of the army, “Whose son is that young man, Abner?” Abner replied, “As surely as you live, O king, I don’t know.” 56 The king said, “Find out whose son this boy is.”
57 So when David returned from striking down the Philistine, Abner took him and brought him before Saul. He still had the head of the Philistine in his hand. 58 Saul said to him, “Whose son are you, young man?” David replied, “I am the son of your servant Jesse in Bethlehem.”-
The familiar story of David and Goliath, when Saul first finds out who David is, as laid out in 1 Samuel 17.
But we have this from the previous chapter, 1 Samuel 16:
14 Now the Spirit of the Lord had turned away from Saul, and an evil spirit[t] from the Lord tormented him. 15 Then Saul’s servants said to him, “Look, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. 16 Let our lord instruct his servants who are here before you to look for a man who knows how to play the lyre. Then whenever the evil spirit from God comes upon you, he can play the lyre[u] and you will feel better.” 17 So Saul said to his servants, “Find[w] me a man who plays well and bring him to me.” 18 One of his attendants replied,[x] “I have seen a son of Jesse in Bethlehem who knows how to play the lyre. He is a brave warrior[y] and is articulate[z] and handsome,[aa] for the Lord is with him.” So Saul sent messengers to Jesse and said, “Send me your son David, who is out with the sheep.” 20 So Jesse took a donkey loaded with bread, a container of wine, and a young goat[ab] and sent them to Saul with[ac] his son David. 21 David came to Saul and stood before him. Saul liked him a great deal,[ad] and he became his armor-bearer. 22 Then Saul sent word to Jesse saying, “Let David be my servant, for I am very pleased with him.”[ae]
23 So whenever the spirit from God would come upon Saul, David would take his lyre and play it. This would bring relief to Saul and make him feel better. Then the evil spirit would leave him alone."
So 1 Samuel 16 tells an entirely different story of Saul meeting David.
Have you ever discussed these discrepancies?
Verse 23 should say, " When the evil spirit of God." Not the spirit of God.
I think the Bible copied this gag from the Simpsons. Where every single time Mr Burns meets Homer he has no idea who Homer is.
@@mannymann321 its the spirit of God. He also has lying spirits
I’d really appreciate a video on this as well too.
@Cr-pj8bz but the book says the evil spirit of God. There is a difference from the spirit of God and the evil spirit of God. Huge difference.
There is a theory (which I got from watching the archaeologist Israel Finkelstein) that I quite like. It goes like this... the story of David killing Goliath was repurposed around the end of the 7th century BCE. Prior to that time, the dominant neo-Assyrian empire was in control of the lands of the Northern Kingdom. But then the neo-Assyrian empire collapsed, (over-extended and facing revolts from the Babylonians and Medes). In this vacuum, the southern Kingdom of Judah felt they had the best claim to the north, but the power they would have to defeat to take the north was Egypt. At that time, Egypt employed Greek Hoplites as their shock troops, stationed in Egyptian controlled Philistia. So the revised story is propaganda to show how a small, weakly armed nation of Judah could defeat the heavily armed Greek / Egypt war machine. (The description of Goliath even matches a late 7th century Hoplite, but not a 10th century Philistine). When Josiah was defeated and killed in 609 BC by Necho II at Megido, it put an end to that dream. Finkelstein argues that many ideas, (like there being one unified Jewish people that were given the entire area of Israel by God), come from the time of the power vacuum before Josiah was killed.
Thank you so much!
That's the question: where and when did the dogma of univicality of the Bible emerged?
Good question.
The 19th century, when adventists and scholars tried to harmonize it in order to help predict the end of the world and the return of Jesus using discovered manuscripts and a focus on "the real meaning." Nobody really cared about Bible mistakes until 200 years ago or so and many that did, such as several founding fathers of the USA just dismissed them, rightfully so, as nonsense that shouldn't matter to a secular society except more some of its more vague ethical ideas that made practical sense.
I would assume around the time that the concept of biblical inerrancy emerged.
Unfortunately, for that there is no singular date, as the concept has gone in and out of vogue since the early church fathers, and varied in how strict it was believed.
I'm not sure where it began, the earliest seeds of this idea, though, I know where ended-The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy in 1978. 🤷🏽♂️ it basically took 1,900 years to figure out.
@ I would agree. Origen and John Chrysotom were already arguing that the Bible was congruent in regards to all matters of faith. Although not a perfect univocality as conceptualized today, as they allowed for historical inconsistencies, it does start the idea that the Bible, in regards to faith, speaks with one voice. Augustine, in chastising Jerome’s portrayal of Paul, reaffirms this theological univocality, as well.
PUT THE LINK OF ORIGINAL VIDEO IN THE DESCRIPTION 👊😉 MADHA
@4:40 Evangelical Fundamentalists, desperately make excuses to keep their opinion that the bible author's writings are "divinely inspired" even though Genesis 1 claims that the vast grasslands and tropical jungles were created on Day 3, before the Sun's HEAT was created afterward on Day 4.
@dvonzosch461 - God also said, "Let there be LIGHT" on the First day. How do you know that that particular "Light" could not have sustained the "Plant Life" God created on the 3rd Day ? Here are all the definitions of that Hebrew word "Light" in Genesis 1:3, ... אוֹר ( light, light of day, light of heavenly luminaries (moon, sun, stars), day-break, dawn, morning light, daylight, lightning, light of lamp, LIGHT OF LIFE, LIGHT OF PROSPERITY, light of instruction, light of face (fig.), Jehovah as Israel's light.)
Also, Isaiah 46:10 declares that God "SPEAKS the END FROM THE BEGINNING."
So if that is the case, then it makes sense that the "Plant Life" would come FIRST BEFORE the actual SUN, although the "Light" came on Day 1.
So if you are quoting from Genesis Chapter 1, then you must also consider the other portions of scripture like Isaiah 46:10.
Balboa Park??? Hope you are having a good time, dan!
My reading of 1 Samuel 17 says David killed Goliath and this was while Saul was alive.... and 2 Samuel 21 says Elhanan killed Goliath -- but David was also there but this battle was *after* Saul had died. So it seems to be two separate events.
In the second event, either Elhanan killed a different Phillistine named Goliath, or he killed Goliaths still-living brother, as the chronicles passage states.
Either way, it doesn't seem to in any way negate the narrative of David killing Goliath, and whether it was Goliath's brother Elhanan killed, or some other person by the same name, doesn't change anything relevant to the message of the gospel.
The breakdown of the bethlehemite and Lahmi question was very interesting!
COVID killed Goliath
I think the David bits were added later to add credence to “David was great”. Completely my own stupid thought. No scholarship here.
colonel mustard in the library with a pea shooter. it's just a story.
A story in a book that has and will continue to cause extraordinary damage to human beings and the planet Earth. 😢
Love Frog and Toad.
Where does he keep all his T-shirts?!
Thank you.
Aside who killed who. What I haven't heard anyone mention is that the way david(we will go with for simplicity) killed goliath would have been considered so underhanded and dishonorable that it wouldn't have been a victory, it would have been shameful. The whole point of sending your best two worriors to face each other was to see who was actually the better worrior. Anyone can use a bow, or sling to kill someone from a distance. It wouldn't have proven anything. More than likely goliath's army would have been more infuriated than frightened. Because they had been dealt such a dishonor. It would have made them fight harder instead of fleeing. It would be like two samurai facing each other in a duel, but one of them just pulls out a crossbow and ends the other one while he was listing his accomplishments. It would have completely destroyed tradition and honor rules. He would have been so shamed that he would have had to commit hari kiri or have his whole family executed. That is the type of thing david did. They were expecting him to fight with honor and instead he just cheated. It's like a boxer winning the world championship by packing his boxing gloves with lead shot.
Wasn't Goliath Davids' dog? I remember watching the TV show back in the early 70s.
Goliath is better as a gargoyle.
I just now realized that Goliath's nemesis is also named David.
I have never heard this pronunciation of Elhanan before and it's all I can focus on this preacher saying. "El Hannan." Not to make fun, just I've *never* heard it!
An American preacher being ignorant of authentic pronunciations and simply butchering it? I am shocked, shocked I say.
Sooooo,
Are later scribes appropriating an Old Story of A Hero Killing Monster ( Goliath the Giant )
and assigning it to a brand new Hero (David) ?
Say it isn't so. Next thing you know, they'll appropriate a pagan midwinter festival and shoe horn in the birth of the Messiah.
Elchanan (God's favored one) 😂
Love the Frog and Toad shirts!
The rock did
Rocks don't kill people people kill people what about chariots are we going to ban chariots next when they wrote militia they didn't really mean militia they meant anyone could have a rock
Vive le Rock!
@archivist17 whoever threw that rock and hit Goliath between the eyes. It's the rock fault. The rock killed Goliath
Frog and Toad are friends.
what if it was high blood pressure that killed Goliath?
I think we should ask the legitimacy of the Giant… raphaim or nephilim 😅
Bible, False mighty one of B'bayl (Babylon) known as "Byblos," worshipped for papyrus, a main staple for paper and needs of ancient peoples. "Scribes" wrote "Scripture" on "scrolls." There were no "books" or "Bible." We call the Scriptures the "Tanak & The Natsarim Writings." In Aibreet (Hebrew), scribes (sapayrim) wrote on scrolls (sapayrim), taken from the papyrus reed (soop).
The books of Samuel are known to have textual issues (for example, a missing number and part of a number in 1 Sm 13.1, and a whole paragraph falling out a couple chapters earlier).
Did he just use the nwt 😮😂
Lahmi is the guardian of Enki, Bêt Lahmi is Bethlehem. Lahmi has a sister, the two apotropaic creatures from Mesopotamian mythology are the guardians of the Temple of E.absu in Eridu.
Mythology morphs over time.
And what about Lahmi's sister? Is she single?
I killed Goliath. Also, I’m Spartacus.
People need univocality and consistency because they are trained to think in black&white terms. Either the bible is perfect , univocal, and consistent ; therefore, completely "correct" - OR - there are conflicting stories from various perspectives and built with rhetorical goals like politics; therefore, completely "wrong". Muddling through to find the truths that are either helpful or historical and having to learn about the cultures that the stories came from etc. is too much work; it ends up being like reading the news and who wants to do that more than they have to? 😅
lol Mind = blown.
David
Thanks Dan. ❤
So who the heck killed Goliath?
Maybe we all killed Goliath! Go Team! Yeah!
Didn’t IP respond to this already?
I like Michael Jones from Inspiring Philosophy. But I get the feeling that Dan may be right on this one.
@@matthewkramer9975 not trying to stir the pot, but I think both are equally interesting perspectives
I think it was Negan. Lots of zombies in the Bible, so it fits.
Lots of zombies in McClellan's comments section too.
Gee Davey
It's contradictory really for the book to build any of those guys up like that, when we can all plainly see that Dan M is God's chosen badass.
Perhaps it was Goliath and Goliath, Jr who were killed. Goliath, Jr out to get revenge on his daddy's killer?
Elhanon’s story was appropriated? More like Plagiarized. 😂
Plagiarism is about who wrote it. No, appropriated is fine here.
@@KaiHenningsen it’s called modern day forgery
I’m confused 🫤 in 1 Samuel it’s David who kills Goliath. In the 2samuel is about the brother of Goliath… sooo???
Dan, you act the same as Caesar - doing two things at the same time.
That's kinda impressive!
Elhanan
What if there were two people named Goliath, and Elhanan slew one of them and David the other??
Goliath’s father, also a giant, had 2 sons, also giants, and named them both Goliath … like George Foreman did.
Boom. All verses are true.
I was reading about Roman naming conventions yesterday and there were only about 20 forenames and 16 family names and the third name was basically a sub-family (branch) name so keeping people sorted out was very difficult. You had to list generations (he was the 4th Augustus after the 2 Julius in a row), tie them to some historical event or date (came from Gaul during the first year of Nero's reign), or depend on nicknames (considered too informal for most documents) and titles.
But , if we assume a similar naming structure, we have P(eter) Goliath Philistine with 2 sons P(hil) Goliath Philistine the Elder and P(hil) Goliath Philistine the Younger of which only the family name makes it into the Hebrew Chronicles.
‘We all know that…’ four very dangerous words.
OR you can write off the book as a poorly edited collection of campfire stories, legends, and mythologies gathered by a bunch of ANE smelly herder nomads/marauders in their effort to achieve national reputation through having a written history, to justify their violence and thievery because "the god said so."
A skilled sling operator has a huge advantage against someone with a sword.
It was Peralta, Peralta killed the Worriors!
David hit Goliath with a stone. Hardly a mortal wound for a Philistine imho. Goliath's body was decapitated. Nobody is walkin' that off.
The whole section of narrative is full of quirks. There's a woman (Abigail I believe) who pretty much stays in the background here. David had no sword, nor would he take one from his men. The high priest of the temple authorized David to use Goliath's sword. That still doesn't explain the requirement to decapitate Goliath. Jesus teaches through Pilate that is how authority works.....back to Cain and Able.
If memory serves, this was a territory dispute between west bank Semites. I can't recall if there was a time duration involved. If I'm not mistaken, Korah affixed someone's head to the ground with her tent stake. Laying claim of territory if not a body as well. That may have been the final word of Goliath's passing. A woman with no quarter. Sounds like Lilith. In this day and age there are signs of these secret gardens. Removed from sight, unused, barren, and presumed to be forgotten. Leaving mans contempt to consume everything like fire. Her final refuge and resource. Ain't anyone's job to watch this play out, even for a second.
Clearly Bill O'Reilly
Romer wants to rewrite 9th century bce history because of what is actually under Kiriath jearim or ba'al
Outside the bible , did he exsit ?
I love how this guy uses the New World Translation. Most people hate that Bible but I like it, not for casually reading as it's horrid in that respect, but for study and questioning renderings I think it's pretty good. Not the 2013 version as that's pretty much an abomination but the 1984 study version is really pretty good to check its cross references.
Is the New World Translation the Jehovah's Witness one?
I have a cataract in my right eye.
did you hear the one about the Chinese fella that went to the ophthalmologist. The doctor says I know what your problem is, you have a cataract. The man replied no, I drive a Rinkin Continental.
@@cygnustsp
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@@cygnustsp ouch!
Goliath was not that big (6'-6'6"?), and probably blind as a bat. I could take him.
Goliath isnt nessassarly a proper name. Your study will begin when you get a "strongs concordance" & you start defining every word yourself. The bible never contradicts itself, its either a mistranlation or timing issue or your applying somthing to the wrong group of people. These are letters written to & about groups of peoples, you cant apply every word to everybody. Example who is hebrews written to? Who is romans written to? Why are there 4 gospels all so similar but different?
Matthew is written to judah
Mark to ephrom
Luke to israel
John to gentiles
Maybe goliath is a title, like big boss
Or.. one could simply read other passages that clearly tells who killed Goliath.
1 Samuel 21:9 KJV - And the priest said, The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom thou slewest in the valley of Elah, behold, it is here wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod: if thou wilt take that, take it: for there is no other save that here. And David said, There is none like that; give it me.
Literally doing exacty what Dan said: pretending conflict isn't there by picking which verse you'll believe and which you'll ignore.
@lavieestlenfer so we have a clear verse that clearly tells explicitly Who killed Goliath and your take is that I'm siding with the clear verse over the ambiguous verses that contain improper sentence structure. Hmm go figure.
@@davidcrane6593That's fine if 1) you don't think the bible is inerrant, and 2) by improper sentence structure you mean perfectly fine sentence structure.
@@lavieestlenfer Dan literally describes imperfect sentence structure in this video that pertains to the ambiguous verses.
Didn't watch the video or didn't understand it? The Samuel passage was written later.