Ff16 is basically dmc5 combat with certain limitations and cooldowns. I was a bit bummed out that you couldn't equip all eikons at once. Was hoping threre would be accessories that would let you equip all of them at the same time or an accessory that would nerf the attack power but would also remove the cooldown from some of the eikon abilities
I'm not gonna lie, FF16 literally feels like DMC/KH combat with a FF story. and I'm here for it. I would love if 16 got a second installment just to see what they would make with regards to all the reviews and comments on it as a whole.
Might be possible considering Yoshi-P is currently godking of Square Enix's Creative Business Unit III. He's no long just the man that revived FFXIV from the grave, but the man who reinvigorated a lot of love for FF in general with FFXVI....while working on both games simultaneously. It's no wonder he was sleeping during FFXIV livestreams - _and the fans are all okay with it_ - because the guy was putting the finishing touches on FFXIV's biggest expansion and the end of the story arc that was 10 years in the making, all while FFXVI was deep in the most crucial stages of its development. I'm sure the Board thought they made a massive mistake when he made the executive decision to delay Endwalker - they probably thought he bit off more than he could chew pulling double producer/director duty. Oh ye of little faith. It's truly tragic how FFXIII and FFXV were built as these huge extended universes from the beginning, but Square Enix played it so conservative with FFXVI that I'm sure the sales numbers were a complete slap in the nuts to the board of directors when they realized how much money they lost by not putting more faith in their golden boy. They will undoubtedly revise their DLC plans going forward (read: greenlight DLC when they originally had no plans to do any at all) - presumably something to do with Leviathan and how she became "Leviathan the Lost" to begin with. Maybe another Eikon or two in addition.
to be fair, KH2 has alot of moments that feel like they came out of DMC3. and its even funnier because there are so many moments that you see in 16 that look like a HD version of the same scene in KH2.
IMO it does feel like it has that KH combat vibe. Specifically BBS since i kinda see the Eikon abilities like that game's command deck system. Ramuh's circle is basically a shotlock.
I feel this is a way of combining all three movesets so that the next dmc game nero has a complete sword skillset incorporating both Dante and vergils influences
Dante and Vergil are quite opposites. Plus it might be too complicated since DMC 5 Dante already has a million moves. So they'll have to find a middle ground
I think next dmc neros devil bringer should have its own separate moveset and be able to used as a separate weapon. The only thing his devil arm is good for is grappling enemies which they could do so much more with his devil bringer than just a grappling based weapon. His devil bringer needs to be a attack based weapon in next dmc while keeping the grappling movesets in
for mainline DMC stuff, Clive's parry punish with Zantetsuken (Arm of Darkness) is nearly 1:1 with Rapid Slash, and aerial Burning Blade is very similar to Roulette Spin. there's also un-upgraded/non-extreme Downthrust being Helm Splitter and Charged Shot/Magic existing for DmC stuff (not the same director), the Titan abilities are more similar to Eryx charged attacks with the giant disembodied fists, Mesmerize is basically Aquila's Buy In (aerial version too), Clive's normal Precision Counter is like Angel Evade, and Berserker Ring changes Precision Dodge to Demon Evade, complete with the temporary damage boost. while not similar in function, aerial Cold Snap looks and moves similarly to Angel Boost when used straight forward
omg i'm not the only person who felt this way!, i've goten up to getting Bahamut's power so far, but my favorite Boss fight I've encountered so far has to be Titan Lost, It felt like a Devil May Cry game and it felt so damn GOOOOD!!!
Finally a FF game with better combat system than previous installments I always wondered, why no one uses DMC combat system in any of their action game? Finally someone realized the best action combat system in the entire genre and incorporated it into their game.
its not that popular tbh and if we talk about qte... even less. Arpg is great but tactics or turn based makes you think twice what you're about to do, which still is interesting. In other words; communitty is still very divided with the combat system in rpgs.
@@CerenduilIf we are talking popularity turn based always falls short to AAA action games like assassin's creed Thr only exception is Pokemon but that has mostly to do with the giant multimedia empire the series has made, every time one comes out all people do is complain about it.
If only the guy in charge of the RPG elements for Capcom (weapons and armours crafting for MonHunt) got involved in FF16 as well, it would have been a perfect game. Imagine hunting multiple Morbols to make an armour set damn...
Love both games. But I'd say visually 16 is similar to DMC 5 but the actual feel of the gameplay is more similar to Kingdom Hearts. All in all though its a pretty fun game and a welcome into the franchise.
I think it’s a very less complicated version on dmc’s combat system. One thing I like and don’t like at the same time are the cinematic attack sequences but that also means you get locked into the animation and are much more prone to getting hit :(. Still I think the positives outweigh that one negative. I feel like I can be a real badass in 16 without being a nerd like in DMC5
@@rappercentral703So far in my playthrough, the cinematic down attacks can be canceled with other actions, other than that i'm not sure of any that really leave you open.
Bahamuts Megaflare is identical to DMC2 Lucia's ultimate DT move "Seraphic Rain", where she showers balls of light. Also all the Eikons mirror all the basic Style actions of the dmc series and even share the circle button: Phoenix Shift (Phoenix) = Dark Slayer - Air Trick; Deadly embrache (Garuda) = Snatch; Blind Justice (Ramuh) = Gunslinger - Multi Lock; Titanic Block (Titan) = Royal Guard - Royal Block+Eryx combo 1; Arms of Darkness (Odin) = Swordmaster/Dark Slayer (DMC4 Dante); Cold Snap (Shiva) = Trickster - Dash; Wings of Light (Bahamut) = Air Raid+Seraphic rain (DMC2); *And last but not least* Limit Break (Ifrit) = Devil Trigger.
@@starwarsfan2851that’s not a good thing…. I can’t wait for call of duty:tales of Iraq, a fantasy turn based jrpg…. FF7 remake has great combat..why didn’t they just use that?…
@@TheGreatAmarant72 bro no one here is gonna take your side, you keep crying to the comments section lmao sure your example is as absurd as you as if a company is gonna take that much risk for their game title
best part of ff 16 having dmc combat is how they added it. it doesnt have the extreme complex button combos dmc has but still has the bad ass style as well as needing some skill and game knowledge to show skill. an example being the parry system. and i dont mean the titan parry system but the normal one. also its not an exact 1 to 1 copy but still has similarities.
im not gonna lie, i think they should've added the style system to the game. having it add a multiplier to the AP you get after battles would be a great incentive to try to be as stylish as possible.
@@marcosdheleno they already have a 20% ap boosting item so i think thats why they didnt add it. though on the other hand they could have added a consumable thats like 20k per piece that increases ap gain for like 5 minutes but you can only hold one at a time.
For the bahamut beam(aka megaflare) its more akin to dmc4 where dante gets pandora, and that has a powerful beam also where dante just floats for a bit
its good that you compared with DMC5 because lets be honest, there's no way it would look as insane as Vergil in DMC4. i dont think we will ever see a character that goes as hard that...
@@Aripuni1 i think you're reading my comment wrong. DMC5 has more "animation frame" compared to ff16. Like how old Disney classic animation compared to Anime. Not the other way around.
@@yeeterteeter he was left handed way before that. Though idk if he was left handed before the injury that transformed his right into the Devil Bringer, or if he had to relearn after the injury.
my only complaint with aerial combat in FF16 is needing to spam stomp and garuda's grappling claw just to get some actual height during combo's, or needing garuda or phoenix for most aerial combat when it should be achievable with or without them.. I much preferred the simplicity of holding the attack button to go into an automatic aerial combo in DMC.
If you have an enemy in the air, you can do attack, magic burst, attack (hold attack), magic burst and if you upgraded burning blade you should charge enough to do an aerial burning blade before you land
Hold your magic button, launch with torgal, release magic for charged lift, phoenix shift, hold melee during, once the sword is fully charged release it. Doing that will give you more height than spamming stomp and deadly embrace twice. Edit: forgot to mention that there should be an accessory ring that should function like Easy Automatic in DMC, if I’m not mistaken.
back in dmc3, everyone was longing for freestyle to use all styles at once, but i never thought that wed want Clive to have all skills from the 4 characters in dmc5 he is the ultimate action game protag
@zeppelinbudda2368 If you think that, then you haven't played around with the combat enough. Once you start doing stuff like charging mid combo/ability, and riftslipping to extend combos, you will find that that Clive is just as Complex as Nero, some of his abilities are just tied to a submenu (R2 + attack).
@aidan4031 it's not as smooth ether I've done high lvl combos I get it. He's definitely not as good as dante or vergil and Nero is still more complex with his devil breakers
@@OblivionsAbyss Hard disagree, I legit think you need to spend more time in training mode and you might change your mind :) Also, Eikonic abilities = Devil Breakers
@@aidan4031 LOL pls... its cooldowns with enemies literally frozen in time up to 20 seconds to make sure your hits land, YOU have no idea how DMC5 plays if you make such a shit comment.
DMC wins in the neutral game style... that is to say, the neutral animations like ddoging and priming of the next animations for combos looks way better; however, I feel like FF16 has a better presentation simply because instead of just using new weapons, you are manifesting aspects of the gods/Eikons which is just cooler in my opinion.
Dmc 4 life, but still i kinda don't mind the Final fantasy gameplay change, Atleast in other parts it does feel like Final fantasy since most Ff games have core gameplay changes before. But I get the criticisms surrounding it.
Thats fine I think, People who play Capcom games tend to enjoy Square games as well. FF16's success will likely bring character action to a broader audience which will in turn help the next DmC market wise.
They hold their sword out, but it’s not the same. Paladin crouches down some, their arm is not so relaxed, and I’m sure I missed other details but you get the point
@@matheusmedeiros3349 that’s not a good thing! Final fantasy 16 shouldn’t just be a mosh mash of whatever the developers had laying around….. devil may cry combat, final fantasy 14 enemies and models and animations…it’s final fantasy 16 for Pete’s sake..
@@d2solo well tell me, is it ok for a game to literally copy the gameplay from another arguably less popular franchise? Is it dumb to then not be happy when a game changes it very core? not like ff7 remake where they make there own unique system and maintain at least the ghost of the old but literally stealing it from another game franchise?
I know that the same combat director participated in both games, but there are so many identical motions that it's a bit off as a fan of Devil Maycry. I would like to make a unique motion that fits the game separately.
it's kinda nice to see just how wrong people were about them "literally just using dmc animations" as I saw people saying. like. no. they're different animations. there's just only so many ways you can swing a big sword with 1 hand.
You know DMC fans is r******d and yeah FF 16 counterpart skill is actually pretty original, some move maybe little bit similar but bruh its not the same
For those who say the game's combat as not as deep as DMC's, I say you're right and that it would have been strange if you were wrong. Honestly, the director said it himself that even as is, he wasn't sure what the reception to this game was going to be. So at least with what I think is this game's success, you can expect deeper action-oriented combat systems going forward. Or at least with a sequel/spinoff/dlc if they do one.
This is a cool video! I love seeing stuff like this (and I’m also biased because you chose my favorite FF16 theme lol) I will say though that I feel like Titans’ Windup skill is closer to Helter Skelter for Nero’s Devil Breakers. I even remember it having nearly a 1:1 animation as well.
I like the fact that FFXVI is way flashier in terms of attacks than even DMCV. One of the things I was most disappointed about FFXV was how bland the attacks and magic system looked. Playing DIablo IV recently was the same. Where the spectacle?
FF16 needs the KH treatment in that they come out with like a Final Mix/Re:Mind cut of the game. Just make a shitton of hard bosses and add like 1 more node to each Eikon ring.
I finally understand why I’m liking 16 more than any other final fantasy. It’s just devil may cry in a scooby-do esq final fantasy disguise. And frankly I’m ok with that. 👌🏻
LOL, thats not influence, thats straight up copy of DMC5, a reskin :D They change a bid the animations so that it not looking 1:1. But still, you can clearly see all the DMC moves.
Well Final Fantasy series already made big Influence on game industry. Other companys already used and using their ideas but nobody care about it. I mean I know that this is totally copy of DMC. But cut them some slacks idc. If we looks closely, some of the moves in FF 16 was taken from Nier Replicant and Automata. Hitting with big Hand that appears from the thin air for example. And most of the moves are just classic normal human sword swings.
Ya know I'm all for games taking a note from the Dmc series with combat, but when some of these are legit copies of the same move it's very lazy looking.
love the combat system in ff 16 and they can do it in future games, but please give us back true party members, equipment system, buffs- and debuffs etc (the true ff or jrpg if you want). ff7 remake is better
so anyone else figure out the stupidly broken like 100 hit combo in 16? its so satisficing to use. basically when you stagger an enemy throw down lightning rod then use the defense orbs you get from ifrit that do damage as they spin around you and then once you cast that use dancing steel and you hit the enemy and lightning rod with both dancing steel and the orbs resulting in a fuck ton of hits. if you also throw in diamond dust before dancing steel you get the 1.50 damage multiplier on top of that. shit shreds health bars. best part is after the combo you can use level 5 zangetsu while they are still staggered. basically as soon as dancing steel ends you go into limit break and use the level 5 zangetsu you got from the entire combo. even managed to make it close enough that i can cast 1 level 5 zangetsu do the entire combo and cast another just in time for the stagger bar to finish. and even better is if you saved diamond dust you can basically throw them into another near stagger depending on the enemy. and thats only utilizing 4 out of the 6 skills you can have. want extra credit throw in level 4 megaflare on top of the dancing steel combo. can also use i think it is reime on top of the lightning rod too for more hits but i havent done so.
Any reason why the video upload is just 720p? Regarding certain abilities, I feel some of them bear more resemblance to the ones in previous DMC games, like Raging Fists having more in common with Hyper Fist from DMC3 Beowulf or Upheaval with DMC4 Shock! from Gilgamesh. Outside of that, I believe most of them are pretty good.
my one gripe with the combat is the long cooldown. i think it severely diminishes the flow. yeah you can change around. but compare it to DMC3, even having only 2 weapons, the fact you have so many options at all times makes it feel better to combo. in 16 you dont really have to think much on when to use them, at least not in nearly in the same way. specially since so many of them have such long wait times in between uses. i do think there should've been some limit, but either halving the cooldowns, or instead of CD it had a mp cost, and the mp is the thing that regenerates would probably make it feel more fun.
@@frosty6845 As commented above, the game uses DRS in performance mode, ranging from 1080p to 720p, though, only in the most demanding moments does the game drop that hard, In any case, it's better to upload a 4k video as RUclips's video compression adds a lot of macro-blocking to fast movement and particle effects, of which this game has a lot. For better image clarity, playing in Resolution Mode (Dynamic 1440p-1080p reconstructed to 4k) would have been a better choice.
The squeenix and capom collab I’ve been waiting for, in one game! Honestly square enix and capcom should merge. I bet those two alone would give xbox, playstation, and nintendo even more competition considering how much classic games they have in their list
@@jdogzerosilverblade299 AGREED. also, people are serioulsy sleeping on the amount of amazing IPs square has by it self. they probably have multiple times the amount nintendo has...
@mysterymeat1216 Considering FFVII:R and the sequel and also KH4, I think SE are going to prioritise UE over any other engine for future mainline titles of all their big games.
they were done by the same combat designer if I remember right. So yeah, I can see that. As long as they are not ripping code off of DMC, its all legit XD
Ff16 is basically dmc5 combat with certain limitations and cooldowns. I was a bit bummed out that you couldn't equip all eikons at once. Was hoping threre would be accessories that would let you equip all of them at the same time or an accessory that would nerf the attack power but would also remove the cooldown from some of the eikon abilities
DMCのアクションは本当にお手本
PS2で初めてやった時かっこよすぎて真似してた小学生時代
I'm not gonna lie, FF16 literally feels like DMC/KH combat with a FF story. and I'm here for it. I would love if 16 got a second installment just to see what they would make with regards to all the reviews and comments on it as a whole.
Might be possible considering Yoshi-P is currently godking of Square Enix's Creative Business Unit III. He's no long just the man that revived FFXIV from the grave, but the man who reinvigorated a lot of love for FF in general with FFXVI....while working on both games simultaneously. It's no wonder he was sleeping during FFXIV livestreams - _and the fans are all okay with it_ - because the guy was putting the finishing touches on FFXIV's biggest expansion and the end of the story arc that was 10 years in the making, all while FFXVI was deep in the most crucial stages of its development. I'm sure the Board thought they made a massive mistake when he made the executive decision to delay Endwalker - they probably thought he bit off more than he could chew pulling double producer/director duty. Oh ye of little faith.
It's truly tragic how FFXIII and FFXV were built as these huge extended universes from the beginning, but Square Enix played it so conservative with FFXVI that I'm sure the sales numbers were a complete slap in the nuts to the board of directors when they realized how much money they lost by not putting more faith in their golden boy. They will undoubtedly revise their DLC plans going forward (read: greenlight DLC when they originally had no plans to do any at all) - presumably something to do with Leviathan and how she became "Leviathan the Lost" to begin with. Maybe another Eikon or two in addition.
to be fair, KH2 has alot of moments that feel like they came out of DMC3. and its even funnier because there are so many moments that you see in 16 that look like a HD version of the same scene in KH2.
the "combat director" for FF16 is a designer from DMC5
IMO it does feel like it has that KH combat vibe. Specifically BBS since i kinda see the Eikon abilities like that game's command deck system. Ramuh's circle is basically a shotlock.
It's not because isn't a hack n slash.
Props for using this track. It was made for action, and is by far my favorite track in 16
Hell yes! Titan boss fight was sick with this soundtrack! I was hyped whilst playing it.
Anyone knows the title of the music?
@@everrunic8375 Do or Die. It plays for the first phase against Titan Lost.
I feel this is a way of combining all three movesets so that the next dmc game nero has a complete sword skillset incorporating both Dante and vergils influences
Dante and Vergil are quite opposites. Plus it might be too complicated since DMC 5 Dante already has a million moves. So they'll have to find a middle ground
? Nero has a bigger moveset than Clive if you're talking about melee.
I think next dmc neros devil bringer should have its own separate moveset and be able to used as a separate weapon. The only thing his devil arm is good for is grappling enemies which they could do so much more with his devil bringer than just a grappling based weapon. His devil bringer needs to be a attack based weapon in next dmc while keeping the grappling movesets in
@@x_NB3 have you not played DMC 5? Because they already did that.
@@gurnoorsekhon6402 Bringer nuckle isn't much
for mainline DMC stuff, Clive's parry punish with Zantetsuken (Arm of Darkness) is nearly 1:1 with Rapid Slash, and aerial Burning Blade is very similar to Roulette Spin. there's also un-upgraded/non-extreme Downthrust being Helm Splitter and Charged Shot/Magic existing
for DmC stuff (not the same director), the Titan abilities are more similar to Eryx charged attacks with the giant disembodied fists, Mesmerize is basically Aquila's Buy In (aerial version too), Clive's normal Precision Counter is like Angel Evade, and Berserker Ring changes Precision Dodge to Demon Evade, complete with the temporary damage boost. while not similar in function, aerial Cold Snap looks and moves similarly to Angel Boost when used straight forward
So Clive is 30% Nero, 30% Dante, 30% Vergil and 10% V.
That’s some Smokin Sexy Style right there.
I completely forgot V was a thing.
Some Final Fuckn Fantasy.
Ahh the titan lost ost, absolute banger
I forgot that it was a FF song that I thought it came from DMC at first.
DMCはスタイリッシュアクションの名に恥じぬ歴史を作ったなぁ
omg i'm not the only person who felt this way!, i've goten up to getting Bahamut's power so far, but my favorite Boss fight I've encountered so far has to be Titan Lost, It felt like a Devil May Cry game and it felt so damn GOOOOD!!!
this is a love letter to DMC, it's basically advertising lol, the only thing it's ever lacked is a deep story, a world. and FF excels in that.
@@brianrodriguez2721 dmc has a deep story, it just doesn't focus as heavily on it.
I swear to god, during that fight, they didn't even hide the fact the DMC combat director was on board, lol.
Finally a FF game with better combat system than previous installments
I always wondered, why no one uses DMC combat system in any of their action game? Finally someone realized the best action combat system in the entire genre and incorporated it into their game.
its not that popular tbh and if we talk about qte... even less. Arpg is great but tactics or turn based makes you think twice what you're about to do, which still is interesting.
In other words; communitty is still very divided with the combat system in rpgs.
@@CerenduilIf we are talking popularity turn based always falls short to AAA action games like assassin's creed
Thr only exception is Pokemon but that has mostly to do with the giant multimedia empire the series has made, every time one comes out all people do is complain about it.
If only the guy in charge of the RPG elements for Capcom (weapons and armours crafting for MonHunt) got involved in FF16 as well, it would have been a perfect game. Imagine hunting multiple Morbols to make an armour set damn...
Not everything has to be like DMC's combat
It's more interesting to have variety
@@Kirusei True
Before the game came out i was wondering how much of dmc influenced it. Then i saw the first 3 abilities were helm beaker, sringer and double jump.
*Enemy step.
Love both games. But I'd say visually 16 is similar to DMC 5 but the actual feel of the gameplay is more similar to Kingdom Hearts. All in all though its a pretty fun game and a welcome into the franchise.
Well the KH4 team helped too make their combat system
@@OblivionsAbyss yup and the director from DMC 5. I enjoyed the combat in the game.
I think it’s a very less complicated version on dmc’s combat system. One thing I like and don’t like at the same time are the cinematic attack sequences but that also means you get locked into the animation and are much more prone to getting hit :(. Still I think the positives outweigh that one negative. I feel like I can be a real badass in 16 without being a nerd like in DMC5
@@rappercentral703So far in my playthrough, the cinematic down attacks can be canceled with other actions, other than that i'm not sure of any that really leave you open.
@@treywiley5294'ahem' and i heard Platinum Games Helped too
Bahamuts Megaflare is identical to DMC2 Lucia's ultimate DT move "Seraphic Rain", where she showers balls of light.
Also all the Eikons mirror all the basic Style actions of the dmc series and even share the circle button:
Phoenix Shift (Phoenix) = Dark Slayer - Air Trick;
Deadly embrache (Garuda) = Snatch;
Blind Justice (Ramuh) = Gunslinger - Multi Lock;
Titanic Block (Titan) = Royal Guard - Royal Block+Eryx combo 1;
Arms of Darkness (Odin) = Swordmaster/Dark Slayer (DMC4 Dante);
Cold Snap (Shiva) = Trickster - Dash;
Wings of Light (Bahamut) = Air Raid+Seraphic rain (DMC2);
*And last but not least*
Limit Break (Ifrit) = Devil Trigger.
Motivation Slash-Vergil Ability
the "combat director" for FF16 is a designer from DMC5
Ik and I'm like this game feels like devil may cry 5 but easier
Well that answers the similarities. I'm glad to know they collab for this game. The combat in both game is one of the best so far.
@vindslscorner6410 yes definitely when I saw a friend play it I'm like wait this is dmc but final fantasy
@@starwarsfan2851that’s not a good thing….
I can’t wait for call of duty:tales of Iraq, a fantasy turn based jrpg….
FF7 remake has great combat..why didn’t they just use that?…
@@TheGreatAmarant72
bro no one here is gonna take your side, you keep crying to the comments section lmao
sure your example is as absurd as you as if a company is gonna take that much risk for their game title
デビルタイタン戦のBGMマジでDMC感あって最高や
ヒカセンからするとFF14のタイタン戦オマージュだと興奮したけど言われてみると確かにDMC感もあった
Great video. I'm a huge DMC and Final Fantasy fan. This game hits all my buttons
どちらも面白いゲームですよね❤
It sounds like you’re a DmC fan at least…
@@TheGreatAmarant72 please don't presume you know anything about me.
@@gagank478 but you’ve told me. You’re happy with final fantasy being replaced with more DmC.
@@TheGreatAmarant72 being fun?
best part of ff 16 having dmc combat is how they added it. it doesnt have the extreme complex button combos dmc has but still has the bad ass style as well as needing some skill and game knowledge to show skill. an example being the parry system. and i dont mean the titan parry system but the normal one. also its not an exact 1 to 1 copy but still has similarities.
im not gonna lie, i think they should've added the style system to the game. having it add a multiplier to the AP you get after battles would be a great incentive to try to be as stylish as possible.
@@marcosdheleno they already have a 20% ap boosting item so i think thats why they didnt add it. though on the other hand they could have added a consumable thats like 20k per piece that increases ap gain for like 5 minutes but you can only hold one at a time.
honestly glad they didn’t include the complex button combos because i can’t remember abilities unless they’re shown in the UI for me during battle
@@marcosdheleno The game does have a style meter and rating, it just only appears on stage replay.
I do want the fun combat input system. I am okay with button press because it gives newcomers to enjoy the game
fyi, Ryota Suzuki, the combat director of DMC5 also working on FF16 :)
For the bahamut beam(aka megaflare) its more akin to dmc4 where dante gets pandora, and that has a powerful beam also where dante just floats for a bit
I was thinking more of Kalina Ann in DMC5
The beam is Gigaflare. Megaflare is the rain of blasts.
In previous games gigaflare was called megaflare
@@joshwest9373 way before tetraflare was a thing too
@@godofsin4604 Tera, but yes.
Didn’t realize how close the skills were 😅
Lol people in the comment section don't know that the combat designer is the same person yet.
やっぱりDMCのアクションって理想的なモーションのオンパレードなんだよなぁ
dmcのディレクター？が携わってるから安定の面白さあるよなFF16
@@LENA-cb9cvそうなんですか!?FF16の実況見てたら「あれ？なんかガルーダの技ネロに似てるなあ」って思ってたけどだからなんですね笑
@@LENA-cb9cvFF16のコンバットディレクターを務めた鈴木さんはDMC5のバトルデザイナーとして携わっていましたがディレクターでは無いです
@@ゆき-l7e5x あ、Dではなくてデザイナーなのか。やはりアクションは見ていて気持ちがいいですね🥴
あ、これっていい印象にとるもんなの？
他作品の使いまわしみたいでサボりすぎだろて感情抱いちゃったわ
its good that you compared with DMC5 because lets be honest, there's no way it would look as insane as Vergil in DMC4. i dont think we will ever see a character that goes as hard that...
DMC 5 Vergil = Beautiful Precision
DMC 4 Vergil = Raw unrivalled POWER
@@theslickdevil8560 yep. i mean, DMC4 vergil is so broken, when played, people will think the video is sped up.
Somehow DMC5 animation look smoother. It almost like even a simple move has more animation frame than FF16.
Because DMC 5 is pure hack and slash while FF16 is RPG with hack and slash combat, FF 16 as RPG has more cooldown and recovery animation
@@Aripuni1 i think you're reading my comment wrong. DMC5 has more "animation frame" compared to ff16. Like how old Disney classic animation compared to Anime. Not the other way around.
"You Shall Die"
And discovering (consciously) that Nero is left-handed was a surprisingly cool surprise!
Being amputated by his own father didn't really leave him with many choices
😂😂😂 very true 🤣 just means you really gotta _hand_ it to Nero
@@yeeterteeter he was left handed way before that. Though idk if he was left handed before the injury that transformed his right into the Devil Bringer, or if he had to relearn after the injury.
I didn’t know Dante can back flip in the air after taking damage 😮.
Thats his aerial hit recovery animation. Kingdom Hearts games and FFXV also have this cool feature.
He has that since DMC4
@@benkraze3103😮, I’ve never seen it trough out my gameplay and I replay it a couple of times , is there a time I have to press a button ?
@@Gleamoz it's Flipper move
Trickster style
"Press ◯ while being sent flying by an enemy attack"
The Ice thing that cold snap leaves behind looks exactly like the crystal shield thing Urizen uses.
The song in the background is called "Do or Die" FF XVI's Soundtrack
It's almost like a lead combat designer from dmc5 worked on ffxvi.
I’m playing this game and it definately feels like devil may cry with a dab of Final Fantasy. 70/30
Combat director is from DMC
I wish FFXVI's combat was as good as DMC....
今、FF16進めてるけどDMC5もやりたくなってきた…クリアしたらやってみよう！！！！
Now imagine being able to use these abilities without having to wait for cooldowns to wear off ...
That would be too busted
@@MWOPPDLX It doesn't have to do the same amounts of damage, lol. It could make the game fun, though.
@@marloges the cooldowns aren't even that bad plus you can equip items to further reduce cooldowns
@@MWOPPDLX Okay, the combat system is good then
Was thinking the same thing. They could've included an accessory that would nerf attack power but would remove cooldowns from certain abilities
my only complaint with aerial combat in FF16 is needing to spam stomp and garuda's grappling claw just to get some actual height during combo's, or needing garuda or phoenix for most aerial combat when it should be achievable with or without them.. I much preferred the simplicity of holding the attack button to go into an automatic aerial combo in DMC.
FF16は少し難しいですよね
If you have an enemy in the air, you can do attack, magic burst, attack (hold attack), magic burst and if you upgraded burning blade you should charge enough to do an aerial burning blade before you land
Hold your magic button, launch with torgal, release magic for charged lift, phoenix shift, hold melee during, once the sword is fully charged release it.
Doing that will give you more height than spamming stomp and deadly embrace twice.
Edit: forgot to mention that there should be an accessory ring that should function like Easy Automatic in DMC, if I’m not mistaken.
There are also no launchers, except for Torgal
@@Sero4 Aerial charged melee is a launcher, and charged magic is also a launcher if an enemy is midair or downed.
こうやって見るとデビルメイクライって結構偉大だったんやな
スタイリッシュアクションの先駆けや
結構もクソも元から偉大ですが
今となってはバイオハザードの面影まったくないほどかっこよさに振り切ったな
back in dmc3, everyone was longing for freestyle to use all styles at once, but i never thought that wed want Clive to have all skills from the 4 characters in dmc5
he is the ultimate action game protag
Bruh it's too scripted their sum wiggle room but Dmc5 shits on FFVI combat so hard
@zeppelinbudda2368 If you think that, then you haven't played around with the combat enough. Once you start doing stuff like charging mid combo/ability, and riftslipping to extend combos, you will find that that Clive is just as Complex as Nero, some of his abilities are just tied to a submenu (R2 + attack).
@aidan4031 it's not as smooth ether I've done high lvl combos I get it.
He's definitely not as good as dante or vergil and Nero is still more complex with his devil breakers
@@OblivionsAbyss Hard disagree, I legit think you need to spend more time in training mode and you might change your mind :) Also, Eikonic abilities = Devil Breakers
@@aidan4031 LOL pls... its cooldowns with enemies literally frozen in time up to 20 seconds to make sure your hits land, YOU have no idea how DMC5 plays if you make such a shit comment.
Considering Square literally hired the DMC V combat designer/lead for XVI's combat, this was the obvious result, if ain't broke, don't fix it.
DMC wins in the neutral game style... that is to say, the neutral animations like ddoging and priming of the next animations for combos looks way better; however, I feel like FF16 has a better presentation simply because instead of just using new weapons, you are manifesting aspects of the gods/Eikons which is just cooler in my opinion.
"Hey man can I copy your homework?"
元祖スタイリッシュは伊達じゃない
Dmc 4 life, but still i kinda don't mind the Final fantasy gameplay change, Atleast in other parts it does feel like Final fantasy since most Ff games have core gameplay changes before. But I get the criticisms surrounding it.
Devil Fantasy 5?
Final May Cry 16?
I love both of then 👍👍
I believe the proper term is:
"Devil May Clive."
@@Ilyak1986😂
amazing vid thanks
Capcom was to busy with their RE Remakes that the character with a kit that would be perfect in DMC 6 is now in another game
Thats fine I think, People who play Capcom games tend to enjoy Square games as well. FF16's success will likely bring character action to a broader audience which will in turn help the next DmC market wise.
The Attack stance of Clive with his sword is the same as Gladiator/Paladin of FF14, it's a lot of reference to FF14 for some of the moves.
They hold their sword out, but it’s not the same. Paladin crouches down some, their arm is not so relaxed, and I’m sure I missed other details but you get the point
There is a LOOOOT of Ff14 things on FF16, my fav is the Ifrit vs Bahamut using Zettaflare (pretty the same of the Loisoux vs Bahamut)
@@matheusmedeiros3349 that’s not a good thing! Final fantasy 16 shouldn’t just be a mosh mash of whatever the developers had laying around….. devil may cry combat, final fantasy 14 enemies and models and animations…it’s final fantasy 16 for Pete’s sake..
@@TheGreatAmarant72dumb comment
@@d2solo well tell me, is it ok for a game to literally copy the gameplay from another arguably less popular franchise? Is it dumb to then not be happy when a game changes it very core? not like ff7 remake where they make there own unique system and maintain at least the ghost of the old but literally stealing it from another game franchise?
わざわざ同じ人呼んで同じように作らせてるんだからハイタイム付けてほしかったよね
マジでハイタイム欲しいと思う事めっちゃあったわ
かち上げ技があるのとないとじゃコンボルートの組み立て易さがダンチなんよな……
そこまで似せると
さすがに訴えられるとビビった説
@@-ratto-制作に携わった人同じでもダメなんかな
あるよ
空中限定だけど溜め攻撃で撃ち上げられる
I know that the same combat director participated in both games, but there are so many identical motions that it's a bit off as a fan of Devil Maycry. I would like to make a unique motion that fits the game separately.
it's kinda nice to see just how wrong people were about them "literally just using dmc animations" as I saw people saying. like. no. they're different animations. there's just only so many ways you can swing a big sword with 1 hand.
You know DMC fans is r******d
and yeah FF 16 counterpart skill is actually pretty original, some move maybe little bit similar but bruh its not the same
I bet if you would've played wwf no mercy and def jam 2, you would've said the same 💩
>literal plagiarism
>everybody in comments: "wow this is so cool"
Same combat director
@@lstsoul4376 He was the combat designer of DMC5, a lot of the moves and the combat system itself originate from older DMC titles.
The combat director worked on DMC 5.
Of course it has to end with jce. This channel is best for comparison videos like this
Perfect! However its looks similar but they feel WAY different to control tho! Its a WIN regardless :D
FF16 is like the simplified version of DMC but you still can play like DMC
Yes! That's what I've been saying. Visually they're similar but they feel completely different
That boy wants to be a son of Sparda so bad..😂
For those who say the game's combat as not as deep as DMC's, I say you're right and that it would have been strange if you were wrong. Honestly, the director said it himself that even as is, he wasn't sure what the reception to this game was going to be. So at least with what I think is this game's success, you can expect deeper action-oriented combat systems going forward. Or at least with a sequel/spinoff/dlc if they do one.
This is a cool video! I love seeing stuff like this (and I’m also biased because you chose my favorite FF16 theme lol)
I will say though that I feel like Titans’ Windup skill is closer to Helter Skelter for Nero’s Devil Breakers. I even remember it having nearly a 1:1 animation as well.
I like the fact that FFXVI is way flashier in terms of attacks than even DMCV. One of the things I was most disappointed about FFXV was how bland the attacks and magic system looked. Playing DIablo IV recently was the same. Where the spectacle?
I don't think it was flashier but definitely way better than the past installments, ff16 is my new favorite
FF16 needs the KH treatment in that they come out with like a Final Mix/Re:Mind cut of the game. Just make a shitton of hard bosses and add like 1 more node to each Eikon ring.
I finally understand why I’m liking 16 more than any other final fantasy.
It’s just devil may cry in a scooby-do esq final fantasy disguise. And frankly I’m ok with that. 👌🏻
8:40 nahhhh, music Sync was too FIRE 🔥 🤣🔥🔥🔥🔥😍
As someone with a old gen console who can't even play final fantasy 16 I'd have bought it right now just because of this video.
Dude check my combos
5:45 I think that’s based on Beowulf’s Lunar Phase
I think it's a bit of both ngl
This video is wrong, Its more similar to lunar phase vergil
LOL, thats not influence, thats straight up copy of DMC5, a reskin :D They change a bid the animations so that it not looking 1:1. But still, you can clearly see all the DMC moves.
FF: has weak and corny characters
Dmc: superior, invincible, lore and indestructible
Dante is dmc franchises only good character 16 at least had clive and cid
Wtf did final fantasy do to you 😭
Well Final Fantasy series already made big Influence on game industry. Other companys already used and using their ideas but nobody care about it. I mean I know that this is totally copy of DMC. But cut them some slacks idc. If we looks closely, some of the moves in FF 16 was taken from Nier Replicant and Automata. Hitting with big Hand that appears from the thin air for example. And most of the moves are just classic normal human sword swings.
I can't wait to play this on PC, god damn it! release it already!!!.
You gonna spend more time watching cutscenes than playing it actually
@@gofyjeans FF is about the story anyways
@goofyjeans and?
Ya know I'm all for games taking a note from the Dmc series with combat, but when some of these are legit copies of the same move it's very lazy looking.
Many of the movements FF16 attacs (from Clive, other protas or bosses, are copy/paste from FF14)
他の人が言ってたけど戦闘ディレクターの人がdmc5に関わってたって聞いて腑に落ちたゾ
これカプコンに小林pいたら面倒くさかったろうな…
(無双とBASARAのやつ)
Yeah, okay, now I can't unsee the Zantetsuken/Ultimate Judgment Cut similiarities.
More than half of Clive's moves look like DMC literally stole them....
love the combat system in ff 16 and they can do it in future games, but please give us back true party members, equipment system, buffs- and debuffs etc (the true ff or jrpg if you want). ff7 remake is better
Ff16 made me get the remake, ad I gotta say, combat in the remake is much more satisfying cause it feels strategic kind of
@@DeceptionIsTruth FFVIIR combat is turn-based disguised as an ARPG
FF16 is probably the closest thing to a DMC6 that DMC fans can get for now
You know what could be insane. Mixing elements - Like you do Garuda Aerial blast and then Phoenix rising flames. So it's become a giant Fire tornado.
Even the V Shadow Uppercut animation?
Interesting…..
07:50 I didn’t even know you could do that with the blades 😳😳😳
With Devil sword dante on swordmaster, hold the style button until the blades appear.
People noy realize that Final fantasy XVI its devil may cry clone cos the combat director of dmc 5 now build final fantasy XVI combat
Id be so hype if ff14 added a new class based on Dominants. I mean we have SMN but a melee who can wield the powers of Eikons sounds fun.
so anyone else figure out the stupidly broken like 100 hit combo in 16? its so satisficing to use.
basically when you stagger an enemy throw down lightning rod then use the defense orbs you get from ifrit that do damage as they spin around you and then once you cast that use dancing steel and you hit the enemy and lightning rod with both dancing steel and the orbs resulting in a fuck ton of hits. if you also throw in diamond dust before dancing steel you get the 1.50 damage multiplier on top of that. shit shreds health bars. best part is after the combo you can use level 5 zangetsu while they are still staggered. basically as soon as dancing steel ends you go into limit break and use the level 5 zangetsu you got from the entire combo. even managed to make it close enough that i can cast 1 level 5 zangetsu do the entire combo and cast another just in time for the stagger bar to finish. and even better is if you saved diamond dust you can basically throw them into another near stagger depending on the enemy. and thats only utilizing 4 out of the 6 skills you can have. want extra credit throw in level 4 megaflare on top of the dancing steel combo. can also use i think it is reime on top of the lightning rod too for more hits but i havent done so.
Yeah but thats a fucking lame playstyle
Final Fantasy with Devil May Cry is awesome!
dmc関係の人が開発に関わってるんだっけ？
就算dmc人员参与，也不该直接复制动作，毕竟是两个不同的系列，直接复制动作暴露自己没有想象力
DMC battle director is working with FFXVI
@@-N-E-V-E-R-禁止平A砍四下咯，动作捕捉都重新整了你怎么不叫dmc平A中间加火球？
@@LhLeo 单说就这个平A四连他连打击帧都快同步了，还看不出是copy过去的我只能劝你眼睛不用可以捐了，比平A4连抄的更凶的多了去了，只要是鬼泣资深玩家一眼看透，至于你这种只看粒子特效的小白那我说再多也没有用
Fun fact: one of the dmc combat directors worked on ff16
You mean the main combat director
You're both mistaken. DMC doesn't have a combat director title, and he wasn't the combat director of DMC5.
We need a DMC crossover like stellar blade got with Nier ❤️
I wish ff16 didnt have levelling up.
Just keep the ap skill set upgrade like dmc games.
デビルメイクライやったことないけどめっちゃ面白そうやん！
もろモーションDMCやんって思いながらプレイしたわ〜
DMCの方が動きはいいよね
FF16 is a somewhat Berseria themed Hack n Slash FF with DMC system
I wish ff16 had combos other than eikon abilities like dmc though
They have the same combat director, that’s why
Any reason why the video upload is just 720p?
Regarding certain abilities, I feel some of them bear more resemblance to the ones in previous DMC games, like Raging Fists having more in common with Hyper Fist from DMC3 Beowulf or Upheaval with DMC4 Shock! from Gilgamesh. Outside of that, I believe most of them are pretty good.
Because the game is 720p in performance mode
@@frosty6845 it isnt, its 1080p but can sometimes dip lower closer to 720
my one gripe with the combat is the long cooldown. i think it severely diminishes the flow. yeah you can change around. but compare it to DMC3, even having only 2 weapons, the fact you have so many options at all times makes it feel better to combo.
in 16 you dont really have to think much on when to use them, at least not in nearly in the same way. specially since so many of them have such long wait times in between uses.
i do think there should've been some limit, but either halving the cooldowns, or instead of CD it had a mp cost, and the mp is the thing that regenerates would probably make it feel more fun.
@@toukah4390it is always 720p in the combat
@@frosty6845 As commented above, the game uses DRS in performance mode, ranging from 1080p to 720p, though, only in the most demanding moments does the game drop that hard, In any case, it's better to upload a 4k video as RUclips's video compression adds a lot of macro-blocking to fast movement and particle effects, of which this game has a lot.
For better image clarity, playing in Resolution Mode (Dynamic 1440p-1080p reconstructed to 4k) would have been a better choice.
モーションは似てるけど
HITさせた時の快感が違う
The squeenix and capom collab I’ve been waiting for, in one game! Honestly square enix and capcom should merge. I bet those two alone would give xbox, playstation, and nintendo even more competition considering how much classic games they have in their list
if they merge that's less great games getting made. so no they shouldn't merge. but they should do a lot more partnerships.
@@jdogzerosilverblade299 AGREED. also, people are serioulsy sleeping on the amount of amazing IPs square has by it self. they probably have multiple times the amount nintendo has...
Imagined final fantasy in RE engine just like dmc5 and re2-4 remake
@yuseigallenger3165 the RE engine is not special in the slightest. Putting it on UE5 would make for some interesting improvements
@mysterymeat1216 Considering FFVII:R and the sequel and also KH4, I think SE are going to prioritise UE over any other engine for future mainline titles of all their big games.
11:55 I'm the storm that is approaching
The same guy made both these combat systems and the kingdom hearts combat system.
I was about to cry plagiarism until I remembered this game used a lead DMC combat developer
All I want to know is can you footstool/slash reset like in DMC?
slash, footstool, slash, footstool, slash, footstool repeat
Kinda?
Well I mean the combat designer is the same person for both the games
they were done by the same combat designer if I remember right. So yeah, I can see that. As long as they are not ripping code off of DMC, its all legit XD
DMCのスタッフいるからパクっても問題ないってスタンスは結構不快
DMCほど自由に動けるわけでもないしこれをDMC6とか言ってキャッキャしてるエアプもうざい
カプコンが訴えたらおもしろいよなw
多分普通にスクエニ負けると思う
デビルメイクライの方が初動が速く、モーションがいちいちかっこいいんだなぁ全部。身体を捻ったり足がやたら動いてたり、回避した時の動きが分かりやすい。クライブは身体に鋼でも入ってるかのような硬い動きで、硬直も多く次の攻撃までスムーズに移行しないので使ってて疲れる。
言い方の問題ですね。
僕はクライヴの動きの方が重厚感があってリアル思考でとても好きです！
dmcはその分軽く、プレイしていてFF16よりも爽快感が少し上回っていると感じますね！ただ少しチープな印象を受けます。
@@LENA-cb9cv DMCだ。dmcだともう一つの世界線の方になる。細かいけどここは間違えるな。
それともマジでもう一つの世界線（dmc）の方を言ってる？
後チープとか言ってるけど、DMCは「スタイリッシュ」アクションだからな？そこ勘違いしないように。
FF16は重厚、DMCは軽いとか言ってるけど全シリーズやってたらそんな感想出ないわ。
１～４・dmcもプレイしました？重厚感溢れるDMCやりたいなら１と２をプレイしてこい。いやホントに。
@@discharge9694怖
@@discharge9694皮肉で返してんだぞわかれよ
@hibiki8459 痛いと感じてしまうってことは同じような時期があったのかな？仲間だね。
痛くて結構。DMCファンとして申したかっただけ。
There is a fun game you can play here. Name the DMC move before SPIKE shows it.