Joe Budden Questions Gucci Mane's Judgement After Big Scarr TRAGEDY
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2023
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The question Joe doesn't want to ask is, how does someone like Gucci benefit in hiring such short lived artists...what are they getting out of it 🤔
$$$$$$
Bingo
That’s Deep
The insurance money
Tax Write Off
Labels are making More money from Life insurance policies than music in This generation.
Gucci gave them boys a chance, it's not his fault they happen to be junkies and criminals. Most new rappers are either real criminals or pretending to be one.
keep this same energy when it’s the jewish guys handling these acts
@@marcelohendrix6139 They already do.🤦🏽♂️
@@marcelohendrix6139 that didn't make sense
Exactly all of these big record labels sign criminals and ppl that does drugs and nobody talks about that but what’s to call out Gucci
🎵if a nicca hatin call em joe button😂 what has joe button done for hip hop for him to even have an opinion 🤷🏾♂️
When does giving folks chances become enabling bad behavior? I turn 40 this year and understood what Joe is getting at - how about we hold ourselves to a higher standard? Sure, talent comes from all facets of life. But where’s the mentorship? Where’s the education? The Man is going to come after us regardless. Why not keep your ish tight?
Why is no one holding lyor Cohen accountable or thr larger executives lyor said it himself its all about the dollar 🤔 so how can you then blame gucci if they are about the dollar too its across the board but these older executives been doing it and Gucci is trying to get paid too
Because we ain't stop the machine but we can govern ourselves.
I’ve seen Joe defend Lyor Cohen for the same thing and questioned why dame dash was criticizing him
Thank u for being real Joe. I am usually on his ish or ice side. Not today. Fuck good beats amd flows when it comes to LIVES!
Did scar not OD? How is Gucci responsible for what his employees do after hours or in their spare time?
Obviously it’s not his fault but at the same time he’s has a pattern of finding the hood boogers that are bound to get into trouble. Giving money to those dudes is a recipe for disaster when you got people who’d rather reinvest it into crime.
Exactly!! How is Gucci responsible for a dang junkie that OD? They getting on Gucci when his label under Atlantic the same label that sign criminals like NBAYB and Kodak who needed a WHOLE presidential pardon. 🤦🏽♂️
Exactly these are grown as men what can he do call their phone every 10 mins and wallo them with information lol
You have to understand the pattern in people in which you give these chances to. Gucci is responsible for putting ON a lot of artist but they don’t stay with him. And some of those dudes he know what they do and how deep in the streets they are. Although he is giving them a chance to change their life but we have to act like the money is life changing money…and some of those dudes have people they have to answer to as well. Look at Cyhi situation. He broke down how after he got them deals/money he had to break the bread down with his street homies. He didn’t have a choice but to break it down with them, he wasn’t in charge. I think for a lot of these artist that come from a street background they have somebody to answer to in those streets. Not blaming Gucci for their choices but him being a street dude himself he has to understand that some of those guys have bad situations on the outside that can hinder their music career.
I agree… just like Life Insurance, it’s the artist responsibility to do what’s right with their money. Not the label. Not the manager. Not the producer.
Joe 100%. I am from Atlanta. Born and raised. This shit ctazy out here. We can't avoid what hip hop has become. Gucci signed who he felt was real...I get that. But not at the cost of future black families. It's scary amd crazy out here for a regular person. I can't imagine if you have some clout on you.
so he's doing what white record label owners do?
Melanie that makes no sense. Gucci clearly tries to change the lives of young dudes he sees needs it the most.
It's not about them being hard. It's about them being dead in the streets if they don't find a way out. THINK
@@billycarter1798 when you give a street dude money they only use it to fund more thug activity
@@Triumphant144 unintentionally. I don’t think about the impact the music will have.
@@theanimerapper6351 Do you know how retarded you sound. Do you know how many street dudes were given a chance and made it to be successful in music and various other industries?????
There is alot of confounding variables here that Joe aint conseridering on why rappers are dying more today... social media...the rise of living your true rap vs it being entertainment
lit ep.
I’ve seen Joe defend Lyor Cohen for the same thing and questioned why dame dash was criticizing him
I just love this podcast. Big boys are talking!
Without Gucci we would never even see a lot of these young stars 👏🏽 they would of just been a bunch "never was" and "could of beens" at least he gave them a shot 💯
they should have never gotten a shot is the point...
Gucci is a great artist, but terrible mentor.
His artistes literally has no guidance once he puts them on.
Yo Gotti is the example for black CEO, he's a great mentor to his artistes and don't condone BS once he invests his money into young careers!
@@ochomunna2702 Dugg? Blac Youngsta?
Bruh that's stupid who did we find out about that we absolutely needed to know about from 1017. There is not one important artist on his label Dead, free, or locked up.
@@Dayxh8 2 out of a lengthy roster for over 15 years? That's nothing
Who has Joe put on other then headphones
Joe's point made no sense, Gucci is investing in artist that live in the hood and carry that mentality.. Gucci being a black businessman saying who he's signing should be evaluated is crazy lol probably one of his worst takes.
He’s using Gucci to talk about a bigger point when he could’ve talked about the rap game exploiting crime as a whole. He loved Back in Blood when it came out and even played it on the show but when Pooh Sheisty actually shoots and robs somebody now Gucci is a bad A&R and needs to stop signing street artists
it definitely makes sense cause we’ve brought this point with the jewish guys for not guiding and mentoring their artists but letting them crash out and die
@@MrGreendoggy I disagree with singling out 1 person, record labels for decades sign artist, don't do ish but squeeze every ounce of talent to generate revenue, and those same record labels aren't held to any standard of who or what they sign.. it's a bad take and makes no sense, to want to regulate how a person runs their business especially when that business is independent of others, and they take majority of the risk and losses.
@@marcelohendrix6139 I mean there's a difference between some fackin you over in business, versus telling someone who they can and can't sign to a record label; let alone how to run a business where they take majority of risk and losses.
You have a generation of artists who came up listening to the previous generation lie about performing crime after crime on records, and that new generation actually grew up trying to live up to those lies, and performed ACTUAL crimes. THAT'S why you got so many artists, nowadays, catching RICO cases or getting fitted for toetags at the morgue
Rawkus? John Forte..do ya research lol
I can feel what Joe is saying .... wt a ton of ppl falling to street situations in Hip Hop, the nature of the 'new music business' .. a lot of sponsorship & imaging & partnership based income ..... anyone signing artists gota smarten up and find artists that are OUT of that life ....
This shit ain’t new all the 90s rappers went to jail too
Way too many people on this podcast now are they permanent?
I agree. Too many people. Having Melissa makes sense for a woman’s perspective. But Flip is loud, unknowledgeable and doesn’t flow with their chemistry.
Even when Parks chimes in here/there he flows
@@Meditatedaily94you probably are rory or Mal nobody miss them corny neggas 🤣🤣🤣
Gucci gets all of this applause for the music but somehow slips the responsibility and accountability that comes with being the LEADER.
It's not about these artists still being in the streets because if Gucci or anyone truly cared about these artists, they'd protect them from the time the ink dries.
We can't say "they're out of control" when we have YET to put in the effort to stop it.
These are teens and twenty somethings.
He is draining them until they crash when they are helping them to crash.
Who with common sense would give these young artists CASH when they're nowhere near any financial institution and no financial adviser present?!
Who would do that? Who would risk their artist's life when they could easily rent a spot for them to focus on the music?!
Gucci has signed some TALENTED people. Many of these "guns and money" rappers have potential when they talk about something of substance.
But what's a hit song if we aren't going to see this artists alive again by year's end.
The game has always had an element of heartlessness, but considering NO artist has to sign to a label, apprecaiting the ones who do sign with you on the most basic human levels should be a given.
Gucci showed who he was by bragging about a self defense situation like he's John Gotti. To brag about being a position to have to kill another human being speaks volumes so I'm not shocked. And he's still going to reap what he's sowing because this isn't about artists doing too much. This is about someone cashing in and walking out. No respect.
So suge is trash too
He constantly fails these artistes. Yo Gotti is a great example of a mentor to his artiste, opposite of Gucci.
Do u not understand scarr mom n dad in his life so is Pooh shiesty n foo so how is it Gucci responsibility. And Gotti got the biggest crash dummy in game in blac youngsta
@@ochomunna270 when black youngsta was starting he got into shit too also all them former cmg artist are locked up go look
@@ochomunna270 umm Zedzilla? BLACK youngsta? 42 Dugg? Gotti has artists constantly tly locked up as well. They're just not prolific as Guccis artists
Grown men need to take responsibility for their OWN actions!!
I think they should acknowledge the power of social media also a lot of these rappers dying aren't Superstars their local and neighborhood rappers that we would not hear about back in the 90s cuz they reach wasn't as far without the internet
I be telling All my Homeboys. MARK ZUCKERBERG Got more say in your life then you do... the internet RUINED SOCIETY!!!!
Gucci bout to diss Joe Budden and I’m here for it!
Bro what….? It’s 2023 and u still entertained by disses like a 14 year old Nigga grow up
It’s a valid question and one day we HAVE to discuss how the contents and antics of current hip hop fuel these short life spans
What’s being said about Gucci can be said about Diddy.
You know, that is actually a valid thought.
People talk about diddy all the time y'all act like nobody ever brought that up this is the first time somebody ever brought this up about Gucci mane and 1017.
Yeah I'm over it being said about Diddy. Been hearing that shit for over 20 years now let's move on to some new ppl
I thought ish was a female in tht fit😭 he still goated tho
Wow
😂😂
Joe sounds clueless on this topic.
Somebody gave Joe a chance and not to mention he also had a drug addiction or we all going to over look that a short term unsuccessful rap career at that tbh
U worded this title wrong, big scar wasn't mentioned in this clip, it was the next episode
I understand EXACTLY what Joe is saying. Every time we log on social media gucci done signed another street neega that sounds exactly like the last. NO kind of quality control!! Same drugs, murder, rap shit. Pooh in jail, foogiano in jail, mac critter locked up for murder allegations. Scar overdose. And I’m sure if we examine the rest of the roster half of em on probation!! It’s sad af. He needs a rebrand immediately.
It's not his job to parent adults who are capable of making decisions.
The artists he signs are just like artists on every label Pooh Shiesty was signed and hit a smash hit and robbed somebody in broad daylight. Foogiano had a pending case before he signed. Scarr was shot and addicted to percs before he signed to gucci. Mac critter just killed somebody that day before christmas he was already signed for a minute. This stuff is out of his control he signs street artists because that’s what he knows and that’s what sells sometimes when you in the streets it catches up to you.
Y’all sound dumb! Mindset is everything in this industry. A real boss for example yo gotti is adding talent that are level headed want to grow in this buisness and definitely making him money! It’s been too many situations on 1017 that’s negative and evil nobody else labels is going through all that. It’s because Gucci ain a real boss. He signs these folk in a double 360, give ‘em chains and new teeth and no guidance and anybody that can’t see through that ain smart.
@@jadejackson7088 Again, nobody forced these artists to sign double 360's or not get an attorney to negotiate a contract that suits them. An A&R and/or label is not a babysitter or responsible to lock someone up who makes bad decisions in the world a label is just a tool to distribute the music. Gucci is signing artists that are on brand for his label. If anything, these artists should look at him as an inspiration to make money and leave a negative life or crime and addiction. As far as making him money, this fuckery IS making him money with all the publicity.
The thing is, which someone mentioned, some of these guys ain't really criminals so it's not that he taking from a criminal pool (even though he is) but that the CULTURE is more interested in the gun violence stuff. The concerts are packed full of people who are into that as opposed to backpack rap.
The reason is more social media
Joe just say what you wanna say from the jump lol…
Because the internet social media made the negativity top tier
I'm from Memphis and Gucci wasn't ready for the Memphis cross us from the city understand what it is
This is crazy , This man gives people a chance when no other one would, just like Dre/Eminem sign 50 cent look how he turned out a Great business man.. Gucci has signed people who are doing great things. One bad person makes a terrible mistake that on that person, not Gucci. How many other labels sign people who commit murders got killed or committed suicide or ended up in prison.
Gucci Mane brought
Nicki Minaj
Drake
Young Thug
Waka Flocka
Young Dolph
Peewee Longway
Kendrick Lamar (Vanity Slave pt. 2)
Introduced us to 2 Chainz from Tity Boi
Introduced us to Bankroll Fresh from Yung Fresh
Big Scarr
Asian Doll
Pooh Shiesty
And more
Exactly!! But yk Joe & the people agreeing wit him don’t see all the artists he’s consigned that elevated because of the opportunities he gave them, they just wanna focus on the “negative”
Where’s everyone whose been signed to 1017 since gucci got out of jail? They literally all locked up or dead lol
Joe is telling the truth
2024 Echanting has passed. Joe is a genius
Why all the good topics be 4-5 minutes long🤣
They hate on every thing not NY
Amen
Gotta protect your investment. On that NBA point Joe brought up David stern hired private investigators to watch Carmelo Anthony in his first few years and forced him to cut ties with his criminal friends and focus on ball.
I bet his cast is not happy 😢
Gucci is a great artist, but terrible mentor.
His artistes literally has no guidance once he puts them on.
Yo Gotti is the example for black CEO, he's a great mentor to his artistes and don't condone BS once he invests his money into young careers.
I literally can't imagine if EST Gee, Moneybagg, Big30 were under 1017. Tragedy!
Even Mozzy got only a 1 yr sentence and 42 Dugg will get sorted, with Gotti's guidance.
Real street OG CEO!
Gotti a hater tho... Look how all that shit went with Dolph🙏🏽🐬
@@jai3064 A Trulla mafia OG put out the hit on Dolph on some pure petty hating sh*t.
Gotti had nothing to do with the actual death of Dolph, not the attempts.
None of them are big As Pooh Shiesty and Moneybagg has Breadgang. He's his own boss
Whos going to scout it the labels? You know the labels dont care this is what they make their money from. Joe is in my eyes telling the police they need to watch the people Gucci Mane is signing. Flat out.
somebody tell me what Joe Budden trying to say is he saying this is by design
Did anyone blame inscope when 2pac got locked up
Joe Budden questioned gucci label only because I believe he heard other RUclipsrs content.
Simple Explanation... He's Signing Soldiers instead of Musicians or Rather Soldiers that can make music... And it's having a Ripple effect...
The storytelling done by rappers in the 90s-mostly-was done from the viewpoint of the average street dude. The storytelling done in modern rap is as if every single one of them is the ultimate crime boss that needs 1000 shooters around them at all times. It is **FICTION**. These rappers today are storytellers and average music fans get it twisted and think what they rap about is the norm
Joe Budden put out that one whack song called Pump It Up…and for some reason, people still listen to his opinions on hip hop 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂.
Is joe bringing two to get rid of two? 😭😭
At this level and for the investment the label is making, you gotta hire some handlers. Street shit sales but investments must be protected. You can’t just give lucrative deals with no strings attached. Hopefully after these setbacks Gucci will see the necessity of handlers and contracts that are negated when artists play gangster. Street credibility may have gotten you there but it won’t take you to the next level. Stop the nonsense or we stop the checks.
Joe Budden needs not to speak on gucci frfr
Gucci the 🐐.... PERIOD💯
A bunch of White Owned Labels did sign criminals like Shyne, Bobby Shmurda, Casanova 2x, King Von, Takeshi 6ix9ine, Kodak Black, Youngboy NBA, etc.
big l was signed to rawkus and he went to jail
Somebody gon clap Budden
Big Scarr was hard though
This is titled wrong.
I agree with Joe rap has become no different than what is on these streets corners. It's time for change especially if rap plans on being around
It’s not Guccis fault why these men making goofy decisions
I like this convo but y'all two faced as hell because y'all still glorify people like Surf and others to the same audience you preach too. If you gonna be against it be ALL THE WAY against it. Every other week Ice is promoting these same artist.
Facts. Their are huge hypocrites
These people have no idea how narco musicana works.
I think joe is on to something with his theory here. I would take it a step further by saying that these artist are signed not just because of there talent but also because of there short life expectancy. If an artist dies … they normally get a bump in their music streams right after. Who profits from that? The label. These labels now are targeting young talented individuals who they know most of the times won’t live to see their 30th birthday due to their lifestyle.
Great point- Also, doesn't these labels take out life insurance on those artists? More profit to the Label.
Artist been dieing from back in the day up until now only difference is social media and it's more on the news and Joe tripping looking at the Murder Inc and 50 beef it's been scary it ain't just happened overnight 🤔 East Coast vs West Coast beef it's just like with the average job you get the boss ain't gone come mentor and hold your hand they don't care what you long as you ain't on the clock doing it or in the company uniform
Rupert Murdock made money off of Rawkus Records. YIKES!!
You know he got insurance on the rappers right?
Ish clearly has no clue WTF he's talking about on any given topic, since he's clueless about what he's saying lately. Gucci currently has THREE artists in PRISON, TWO DEAD recently & he has at least THREE stories of taking CHAINS back, which makes him seem possibly broke + he promised to pay for Scarr's funeral, but instead made an excuse about his wife's birthday party celebration, then gave the family $10K & some flowers?? Why say you're going to do something PUBLICLY, when you know you're not going to do it?? Make this make sense!
His wife posted $20K in receipts and plus they sent flowers 💐 isn't it possible that he want the chains back because he doesn't want folks pretending to be with 1017?
It was 20k my boii
I can tell you never buried nobody.
You part a the generation wit ya hand out.
Andre salazar u sound like a valley girl expecting her daddy to pay for everything. How about not od'ing on drugs first of all. Second its not on your boss to pay for a funeral. If u died today would your boss pay for yours? Fuck no. As far as the chains go if he bought them then they are his. He can do what the fuck he want with them and that includes taking them back. And who needs more than 20k for a funeral especially when he was cremated? I hope u not a young nigga saying this because this is why your generation gets a bad rep. Comments like that
Man you typed all that out just to be *dead wrong* lmfao
Well it looks like ish isnt the only clueless one
Real talk I have always been thinking about this for a while now that it's like Gucci is not a grooming and a&r these his signed artists proffesionally like his supposed to be .at a point I felt Gucci as bad luck in terms of being a record company owner executive. Infact let me be real and say my mind , Gucci as bad luck with being chief executive officer to young gangstar rappers he needs an a&r partner like president to talk with his act like therapy and advise wise on how they should be moving and conducting themselves after getting signed etc
I'm with Joe his track record with 1017 is different from who he co signed or rubbed elbows with when he was fat Gucci..His personal track record with this label is questionable why is all the tragedy with this label?
Ppl dying and going to jail and yall mad at a conscious mind to think are your choosing abilities bad ? Or are u going for the most gangsta shit or it’s about talent 🤷🏾♂️
Now everyone want to put Gucci down
Too many hosts fr fr lol Rory and Mal hard to replace
Soooo can someone not be a criminal and be a money making hip hop artist?
Joe's the only one trying to get down to the real point, and these dudes can't pick up on context clues worth a shit. Exactly his label is on top right now. HOW and WHY is the question. At the end of the day, it's energy that keeps all things seen and unseen in motion on this planet.... Energy is either expended or harvested. No matter how hard they try that truth is just persisting. It's up, almost like God has something to say and people just keep turning the music up tryna drown him out... But even that subtle reference will go over most y'all's heads. He will be heard, though. It's time to wake up
Ok Joe can we not spiral downward we come to watch Ice, Ish now parks the other 2 need to go ... NOT GOING TO WORK!
Gucci trying to put e everybody on.....
Joe blowing smoke out his ass with this one. Didn Jay z sell dope, didn't pusha rap about coke, it's laundry list of old to new rapers whose done same shit
They transitioned!!!!! Gucci signing niggas without guiding them on the transition!!! How’re you not protecting your investments? How your whole roster keeps getting into the same shit? That’s what’s fishy about the whole 1017 group
I don't agree, this is all coincidental.
Joe One Hating MF SMH I’m Happy Gucci Answered This Fool Question.. The Ole Gucci Would’ve Got On His Head..
Simple, negativity and Crime sales!
Maybe the young men need to be redirected. He isn’t getting these young bm these rap sheets ! There is a common denominator lots of lost bm not just rappers. 😅
Is this new guy permanent I hope not he is not needed on this podcast.
His A&R skills a great, but Takeoff is dead, Poo Shiesty's in prison, Big Scarr is dead, his other artist is in an attempted murder charge, Young Thug in prison on a RICO charge, & Gunna as apparently a snitch, sooooo...at this point, artists might wanna stay away from signing and dealing with Gucci.
None of those people or situations have anything to do with Gucci
New watch new bracelet.. how knows we know!!
Ion like how they talking joe!
Joe Budden a hater for this one lol he big mad at Gucci 😂
King troll Joe touch himself aka Mr pump it up at it again
I think all Joe is getting at is before in rap your AnRs would get you media training and they would try to better instruct you. If you know better you have a better chance of doing better. He's not blaming Gucci for their actions he's questioning the process that Gucci uses to vet these guys. Till this day I can't understand why Pooh Shiesty with as much $ he had was trying to rob dudes for sneakers and weed. The only thing that comes close to this level of crashing out that I can recall is early Cash money (UNLV etc.) And No Limit ( C, Mac, those twins etc) nothing wrong with asking the question as to why 1017 has so many of these issues IMO.
Joe hating look at bad boy and def jam roster from the 90s
Rawkus Records 🤔 Kool G Rap was in the streets Big L died with that label
What the F is Joe talking about
Rap is done. The powers who have money clearly know it controls black people. We gotta move to another genre, or we're done as a people. Checkout Chillhop.
I LIKE THE POD BETTER WITHOUT FLIPP🤷🏾♀️
Why is flop Budden even speaking on someone else's success when he was given chance after chance and all he could give us was pump it up and a Marcus Houston feature the way a grown man wants to run his label and spend his money is his business every since he's become bi sexual he just thinks he can speak on anything like he's going to be protected by the lgtb Joe just focus on what you got going on you was never gangsta and barely a good artist if you focused this hard on yourself maybe you would have did more just beat women and be Eminems puppet 😂😂😂😂
He said a lot of nothing tbh
Joe Budden washed up
They trying to sign me now but I don't think it's legit but I live in Australia I have been jail alot but I don't call my self a gangsta I'm just a survivor of the harsh environment I was raised in so I flow dark
Everybody from bad boy dead