@@flightmedic7634 it's kinda flattering in a way. I think the final plunge of Air Alaska 261 is particularly horrific, inverted and spinning little a top, thankfully it was over quick and you would be gone in about 12 microseconds after impact, just not enough time for your brain to process any extra pain.
Being a big aviation NERD I Love this show. Seen every episode. This disaster is similar to the Valu-jet incident that crashed into Florida everglades because of fire onboard. Horrifying to think about cuz not being able to escape the heat & smoke since you're thousands of feet up moving 100s of mph.. Wow! Can only imagine
I lived in Florida when the ValuJet aircraft went down in the Everglades and I remember that disaster being on the news and seeing the wreckage. I also remember that that particular aircraft went down after it caught fire due to expired oxygen generating canisters that were stored in the cargo hold that were activated by cargo shifting. The boxes which contained the oxygen canisters were labeled as "CoMat" or company material. Those canisters were NOT supposed to be hauled onboard any aircraft unless they were completely discharged beforehand, and obviously they were not. That aircraft, along with 110 souls were lost due to negligence. Hence why ValuJet no longer exists, along with many other "value airline" companies. Cost cutting practices have doomed many other airlines...just look at RyanAir and the many complaints that were made against it.
I honestly couldn't begin to imagine how gut wrenching it must be to do your best to assist an aircraft with an emergency onboard, that you know has multiple souls onboard, and then have your calls go unanswered suddenly. I know that I would break down in extreme emotions. That's such a sad moment for an air traffic controller knowing that the aircraft that was under your control has gone down with the loss of many lives.
Soon as they said there were computer batteries I thought of the ones we hear about in the news that for no reason burst into flames, but this crash predates that kind of battery I think.
Lithium batteries are dangerous, the partitions between the cells are thin and easily punctured, if punctured they create high energy that converts to high temperature heat, burst into flames and produce their own source of fuel and oxygen that helps the fire keep burning
I found a source on lithium-ion battery history, lithium element was discovered in the 1800s, lithium batteries were being developed in R&D labs in the 1960s, they were used in consumer products as early as 1972 in pacemakers, 1973 in Sanyo calculators, 1983 in AT&T devices and Sony devices, and 1985 the Matsushita Company was selling lithium batteries to the general public. So it could have been a shipment of products containing lithium batteries.
Small lithium batteries were common in computers of that generation (as today they were used to keep time and system settings). They weren't the same chemical compositions that are known for spontaneous combusting nowadays but they can still short and generate a lot of heat. Portable computers used lead-acid and ni-cad batteries which while not as volatile as lithium can still burn and create toxic and flammable gas. Not to mention plastics from enclosures and packing materials. I doubt it was military ordinance, otherwise the aircraft would have likely exploded instead of burned over 20 minutes.
That's exactly what it was, whether these "experts" believe that or not. A couple of the batteries likely rubbed through their packaging and shorted out on eachother.
There’s something bittersweet about the curiosity of humans that we would go to work, spending an obscene amount of money that almost certainly wasn’t fiscally responsible, making technological leaps and bounds all to give the families closure about how and why their loved ones died. We are both beautiful and hopeless creatures that only ever strive to understand and love
@studio732jrl2 Fyi RUclips just shadow banned you, your comments aren't showing up anymore outside of the initial notification field. I could only read half your last comment. But the fbi did an independant secret audit of the tsa and found that they could sneak in all sorts of weapons including in theory a nuclear bomb, and after they completed the audit they went public with the report of how bad the tsa did at finding what they were able to sneak in.
They called this airplane Helderberg. The Helderberg caught on fire. It’s kind of Ironic because it sounds similar to the Hindenburg that also caught on fire.
The Helderberg has its name from Afrikaans language which means something else when translated. The Hindenburg was named after the late German president. So I mean, I guess in English they sound similar but literally they couldn’t be more different in their own language
Me either .. the opening those doors was the biggest mistake ever because they brought the fire all the way to the door because of the oxygen and brought the plane down!
They can be if the pilot (or circumstances) have depressurized the plane and the pilot releases the door locks from the cockpit. If the aircraft is at higher altitudes and significantly pressurized, then a very large pressure differential is holding them closed with great force.
I always have but I hate when all the Captains never stress how serious the problem is. It's a huge fire or it could be another big huge ordeal and all the captains are all calm cool and collected about it when they are communicating with air traffic control....... I would stress it until I cannot stress it anymore it's an emergency!! we need help 911!! emergency everybody needs help I need help the whole aircraft needs help help!!! us now please!!!!!!!
@@dontreldontrel416 Agreed...........the passiveness is irrational and costed lives. Mayday should have been called the moment there was the slightest hint of fire. Fire in a tin box at 30,000 feet is VERY different from fire on solid ground.
Many thanks...the audio and video is clear. Some You Tubers are uploading the same story and when you play it's bad. This channel is providing a good quality videos .
My condolences for all who lost their loved ones. One thing that wasn’t discussed was the batteries inside the computers that was on board in the cargo hold. We now know some of the high tech batteries have caught on fire, or spontaneously combusted. I don’t know much about what materials go in to make computers and their batteries, so anyone who does have knowledge can you tell us if an element used in a computer or its batteries could trigger something like this? Be well all 😉
Damaged batteries are among the worst thing on an aircraft. Nowadays they are treated as hazmat (hazardous materials) and allowed to fly on "Cargo Aircraft Only." I'm absolutely sure the cause of the fire in this disaster were the batteries. Nothing else -- battery fires are a chemical reaction similar to a road flare -- they feed themselves. I'm surprised this episode ended without anybody thinking the pallet of them was so insignificant.
Did you copy user flightmedic or did they copy you? I'm always fascinated when people do that on social media. Someone sees a comment they like and rather than offer an original thought and even though the comment has already been made - even though its point has already been stated the person in question decides to make the exact same comment. Sometimes they paraphrase in an attempt to mask their plagiarism. You/they changed the emoji but the text is identical. My fascination is why people do this. Being trapped inside a metal tube while zooming through the sky in a raging fire is about as nightmarish as it gets 😬
I don't think anything would have saved them at least 80 circut breakers went out that they could hear in the only first minute and a half. But they quit using this combi 747 type after this so something good happened as a result of this crash I don't think it's a good idea to mix large amounts of cargo and passengers cause it's only a matter of time until cargo catches fire. In a large cargo plane only a handful of people will parish from the aircraft itself.
@@greggstrasser5791 (large amounts) is the key thing here as opposed to the cargo holds in the bellys of planes. If combis were ae safe as you say then this video wouldn't exist. It's just better to have designated aircraft when talking about the big stuff. They also tried to make a combination ore bulk oil carriers back in the 60s 70s but they quit making them because thay kept sinking or outright blowing up cause the inert gas system.
@@larchman4327 If it were inherently dangerous to have large quantities of cargo in one place, we wouldn’t have warehouses. We still use combies. We just don’t have a 747 combie.
There was a similar fire on another plane that was hard to figure out but they did figure it out and it was caused by a pallet of expired passenger oxygen tanks that were not sealed on the tops and they overheated releasing the Oxygen in those tanks fueling and starting the fire that was like blow torches lighting everything on fire. I bet it was the same issue that happened on that plane because the airline will take the weight of their own cargo but not necessarily say what they are transporting to there other warehouses of discarded or expired parts.
Very good job fellows!! Being trapped inside a metal tube while zooming through the sky in a raging fire is about as nightmarish as it gets 😬 very intense.
Yeah I know .. they never say "hey we have a fire on board" .. if they did, the investigations could go a lot quicker and sooner than taking years to find out that there was a firearm board after digging all this airplane parts up from the bottom of the ocean! 😒
It's not always clear that it's a fire. The Swissair 111 flight initially had smoke from the cockpit air conditioner (which was normal) but not a fire. Later there was much more smoke from the air conditioner indicating that they *really* had a problem, but still no visible fire. Things can smolder and produce smoke without creating a visible flame.
@@efulmer8675 and British Airways Flight 009 had smoke from flying through a volcanic ash cloud....that one had a happy ending thankfully but boy that plane looked like someone went over the whole exterior of it with a giant Brillo pad
They're grasping at straws with the "military cargo" speculation in my opinion. Seems unlikely that they wouldn't have found evidence of it among the wreckage if it had indeed been aboard. I also don't buy into the lithium-ion battery speculation some in the comments mention, as this was several years before they were made available commercially(1991) and it's extremely unlikely the computer batteries mentioned would have been some sort of experimental batch(this would be more believable if they were coming from say Japan). Here's info from Wikipedia about a newer theory: "In 2014, South African investigative journalist Mark D. Young presented a theory that a short circuit in the onboard electronics may have started the fire. The so-called wet arc tracking arises from the action of moisture when the insulation of live wires is damaged. A leakage current to another damaged wire with the respective potential difference may form. The resulting flashover may reach temperatures of up to 5,000 °C (9,000 °F). This temperature is sufficient to ignite the thermal-acoustic insulation blankets that were in use at the time until the late 1990s. Such a short circuit may have caused the fire on board Swissair Flight 111, resulting in the crash of the aircraft in 1998."
Because the pressure inside the cabin was almost, if not equal to, the pressure outside. When a plane is above a certain altitude the cabin air is more pressurized than the air outside. If a window, door or hole is opened in the fuselage at that pressure the air inside is forced out with explosive force until the pressures are equalized. The mostly equal pressures meant that the flight attendant wasn't in much danger of being sucked out (though I'd have been nervous if I had been him).
4 years before lithium ion batteries were first "commercially" used. However I'd about bet those computers were prototypes for testing. Computers and just 4 years before lithium ion batteries becoming available commercially??? This could have set back the release by 4 years if it was the cause. What do you think?
Maybe not lithium-ion (they weren't widely used in computers until the mid/late 1990s) but there were plenty of other types of batteries in computers that can short, generate heat and toxic/flammable gas. Add plastic flammable enclosures and packing materials into the mix, and you would have an inferno in short order.
It seems like that womans parents were having a gut feeling that day they got there will done etc.... That's so crazy. Plus was this before they had oxygen on the planes?
Yes they had oxygen on the planes, they always had ever since they first developed airplanes .. they're just not allowed to lower the oxygen when there's a fire for fear the oxygen would just feed the fire! 😥
@@MisTracy39TheVeganLady I believe the only time they're (the flight crew) allowed to drop the masks during flight are during an explosive decompression event, at which of course they drop automatically.
This would make a great movie. Kinda like Flight 93 or the perfect storm. No one survived so we don’t know exactly what happened but are able to fill in the blanks.
@@greggstrasser5791 tell that to Star Wars. They continually make bad movie after bad movie and it’s been like 40 years. Plus dairy cows can live 15-20 years.
Flammable cargo on commercial flights, without the knowledge or consent of the passengers. I'd bet there were a few lawsuits that came out of this debacle.
I used to ship out chemicals overnight Federal express and hazardous too, and they would go on an ordinary jet carrying passengers. Not really smart to do that!!!
I am inclined to believe that South African Airlines was carrying illegal weapons, propellant, or ammunition. Green Dot Aviation had a great video covering this.
Batteries are always going to cause a fire There was another fire that took down a UPS plane and that that's reason why we have to have batteries in fireproof containment units when they fly.
They only drop if the cabin air pressure goes lower than a specific value and it seems that they were calibrated not to drop automatically below 14000 feet (you'll be fine at that altitude or lower) and the Captain did not drop them himself because of the fire.
They aren't allowed to drop them during a fire emergency. I think the Swiss air fire episode explains that. The oxygen masks could give ample oxygen, making a fire worse
@@BangaGlaser Occasionally spontaneously combusts, causes a self fueled fire, burns really hot. Batteries Batteries Batteries. Why does everything have to be a government hoax.
@@MegaLokopo @bryan hensley I genuinely want to understand more. I know LiLo and LiPo batteries cannot handle being in the cargo hold. Also anyone remember the flight that was brought down because of the "used" passenger flight oxygen containers?
Isn't this the one where the manifest listed a cargo of "oxygen tanks" when in fact they were live oxygen GENERATORS used in the passenger oxygen masks onboard aircraft?
36:17 thats not what happened though. The cvr includes tape of the pilots talking about the dinner service sonething that wouldve happened soon after takeoff. Not within thirty minutes of the crash
If you have a raging fire on board a commercial airliner, the best option, ditch it in the ocean if you have to, or get it on the ground asap. Too many cases of onboard fires on commercial flights shows the longer they stay in the air, the better chance the fire will bring down the aircraft. ValueJet, a DC 9 crashed into the Everglades in 1995, and a few others flights show this to be true. A Swiss Air flight out of JFK in 1998 crashed in the ocean off the coast of Novia Scotia due to an onboard fire. The pilots have to think outside the box and go against their training to follow emergency procedures, which I imagine wouldn't be easy for them to do this, plus they can't just decide to land anywhere but have to descend and prepare the aircraft for an emergency landing, where an airport would be ideal. Yeah, heard the arguments before that it will cause the breakup of the aircraft if you ditch in the ocean. Maybe, maybe not, but the alternative is certain death.
Think of this as if you are the pilot and not sitting on the sidelines like we are currently. You have not only a duty to your passengers, you personally saw them board. Also, you have been given a shitload of hours of training by your company that lets you fly their pricey machine. A fire has been reported on a lot of flights over the years and the airlines use these incidents to further train pilots. Typically these fires get put out and its simply a divert to the nearest airport. These planes need almost 200mph just to not stall, so any terrain landing is guaranteed death. Water landings rarely work either. Also they fly over population centers and the only thing worse than a plane crash is when it crashes into an apartment building. So as long as they have some control over their avionics they will try to make an airport. Ditching hundreds of miles out in the ocean means likely nobody lives. If you think your car could get home, but you'll drive it. Well pulling over and waiting for AAA isn't a thing in the skies. If I had my hands on the controls of this plane I would've tried to make a runway
Who's to say that wasn't What happened We don't know how the plane crashed or if the pilots decided to ditch it because the Voicebox says cut out. But that could have been the end result of what happened. There are whole bunches of different factors to think about also for instance. At Night/Morning In the middle of the Indian Ocean Nautical miles away from Mauritius With that type of plane it would Easily break apart. Ditching would have been more risky Not to mention shark infested water Sounds like more ways to die and more problems to The Fray
Just because I shipped the chemicals by Federal Express it doesn't mean that they are going on a Federal Express Airline. They go on regular passenger jets!!!
I cannot imagine having to grab a manual to read while a huge fire rages before you. Why not train the crew how to fight fires? What if real firemen had to grab a book before each fire? They attend an academy to learn
You should check out the mentour pilot channel. That might give you a better understanding of the way things are done in aviation. He does a much more technical analysis of different aircraft accidents from a commercial pilot and airport firefighter perspective.
I have a fascination with biplanes crop dusters in the dawn of flight I have never been on a jet plane and will never... People don't realize the danger of jets the pilot takes you exactly as far as the crash site there is no getting out there is no parachutes you are force to ride the aluminum coffin straight into the ground I'll take my chances with a shoot and a biplane
There was just not jack didley damn the crew could do to save that plane once they realized the fire just would NOT go out. THAT fact screams sneaky military contraband being put on passenger flights. Those poor people…
Q u e s t i o n s: - Where were the drop-down Oxygen Masks during the Fire & why was there absolutely no mention of them in this documentary - Was there any investigation into the List of Passengers booked onto this f l i g h t ? These Questions seem obvious to me & it's odd that they were not brought up during this video.
@@Bryan-Hensley they were in the air for 38 mins after they declared an emergency. My guess is they knew there was a problem before that but thought they could put it out.
Masks only drop with sudden loss of cabin pressure and aircraft has to be above 14,000 feet. Also, oxygen supply to those masks is limited, 12 minutes I think. Something like just enough to get from max altitude to 14,000 feet.
Opening the doors and letting all that air out while there was a fire in the back was the biggest mistake and the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life .. All they did was probably bring the fire right to the doors and bring down the plane! 🥵
Well let's thank whatever God you believe in you don't have to make those critical decisions. I mean literally people were actually CHOKING on TOXIC FUMES. And what they did was prevent more deaths from smoke inhalation. And by the way When you base everything A "probability" Completely elementary but whatever.
They added a crapload of fresh air to the fire but they were stuck between a rock and a hard place with no alternatives and the airport way too far to make it with a raging fire and dead electrical systems. The cargo hold should have had a built-in fire suppression system
The only thing I will say .. ALL this time later .. and for NO ONE to be named for being the cause .. I do not think it was an actual group of people or ONE person that did it. There is NO WAY by now that they haven’t told SOMEONE what they did .. it would’ve came out eventually by now . People ALWAYS talk!! It’s human nature. If it was a someone that did it and not a someTHING. They would’ve bragged about it to someone by now and it would’ve came out . The fact that it hasn’t shows me it wasn’t a person or personS
sounds like they were smuggling rocket propellant to use it in anti aircraft rockets against Angola. Snuck it in with other cargo, didnt list it. Mystery solved.
Interesting documentary, but I cant say that I feel bad about people and companies that continue to do business with and within a country that practices apartheid...
What caused the fire on board South African Airlines flight 747?
I'm guessing the fire was caused by a combination of oxygen, heat, and flammable material.
@@LucidDreamer54321
They should have made the 747 very cold. 🛫🔥🛬
@@greggstrasser5791 No since oxygen causes fire to grow faster so it would be hot at least I heard that in one of these episodes.
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Lucid Dreamer made a firefighter joke... it’s a joke.
I think the fire was caused by the computer batteries and the packaging they were housed in.
Being trapped inside a metal tube while zooming through the sky in a raging fire is about as nightmarish as it gets 😬
Worse, nowhere to land. Less of a nightmare if there's a chance to find a landing strip, but over water...
You forgot about the vast ocean too. And in the dark.
It is almost as nightmarish as being in the United States while Joe Biden is president.
@@LucidDreamer54321 I'm not but someone is copying my posts and reusing them.
@@flightmedic7634 it's kinda flattering in a way. I think the final plunge of Air Alaska 261 is particularly horrific, inverted and spinning little a top, thankfully it was over quick and you would be gone in about 12 microseconds after impact, just not enough time for your brain to process any extra pain.
Being a big aviation NERD I Love this show. Seen every episode. This disaster is similar to the Valu-jet incident that crashed into Florida everglades because of fire onboard. Horrifying to think about cuz not being able to escape the heat & smoke since you're thousands of feet up moving 100s of mph.. Wow! Can only imagine
The only thing to do is repent for your sins and hope you wake up in Heaven! 🙏🏽
That makes 2 of us 😂
I can't even imagine!!
@@MisTracy39TheVeganLady Trust in Jesus as your Savior, repent, and KNOW you will wake up in Heaven!!!!!!
I lived in Florida when the ValuJet aircraft went down in the Everglades and I remember that disaster being on the news and seeing the wreckage. I also remember that that particular aircraft went down after it caught fire due to expired oxygen generating canisters that were stored in the cargo hold that were activated by cargo shifting. The boxes which contained the oxygen canisters were labeled as "CoMat" or company material. Those canisters were NOT supposed to be hauled onboard any aircraft unless they were completely discharged beforehand, and obviously they were not. That aircraft, along with 110 souls were lost due to negligence. Hence why ValuJet no longer exists, along with many other "value airline" companies. Cost cutting practices have doomed many other airlines...just look at RyanAir and the many complaints that were made against it.
I honestly couldn't begin to imagine how gut wrenching it must be to do your best to assist an aircraft with an emergency onboard, that you know has multiple souls onboard, and then have your calls go unanswered suddenly. I know that I would break down in extreme emotions. That's such a sad moment for an air traffic controller knowing that the aircraft that was under your control has gone down with the loss of many lives.
thats because your weak....
RIP Roy Truman 1942-2019. Underwater salvage expert. From South Shields, England (a Geordie).
I couldn’t imagine being in that position God Bless those people
This is evidence that cargo should never be put onboard planes with passengers. Period.
It's bad enough that there's luggage.
Or you need to design the cargo hold better to suppress fires.
it's even worse that there's passengers
@@adotintheshark4848 lol
This is evidence that planes need better fire suppression systems.
These documentaries are put together so well ❤️
so are you.!!!!
Thirsty
I have heard the actual CVR/ATC and its heartbreaking but the pilot remained professional the entire time and tried his best!
@@LucidDreamer54321 what do mean? I don't have any channels..
@@LucidDreamer54321
Did they ban your MAP channel?
@@LucidDreamer54321 u can post on utube without having ur own channel
@jillian goldstein Really? So you don’t have a channel called “jillian goldstein”?
@@LucidDreamer54321 I have no clue what ur talking about! That's my name I watch videos I comment I don't put up videos
"you'll be much more comfortable once we've complete this procedure"
Ah yes comfortable, meaning no longer in pain and suffering.. but it’s not what they thought it meant
Soon as they said there were computer batteries I thought of the ones we hear about in the news that for no reason burst into flames, but this crash predates that kind of battery I think.
Lithium batteries are dangerous, the partitions between the cells are thin and easily punctured, if punctured they create high energy that converts to high temperature heat, burst into flames and produce their own source of fuel and oxygen that helps the fire keep burning
I thought the very same identical thing as you did!!!
I found a source on lithium-ion battery history, lithium element was discovered in the 1800s, lithium batteries were being developed in R&D labs in the 1960s, they were used in consumer products as early as 1972 in pacemakers, 1973 in Sanyo calculators, 1983 in AT&T devices and Sony devices, and 1985 the Matsushita Company was selling lithium batteries to the general public. So it could have been a shipment of products containing lithium batteries.
Small lithium batteries were common in computers of that generation (as today they were used to keep time and system settings). They weren't the same chemical compositions that are known for spontaneous combusting nowadays but they can still short and generate a lot of heat. Portable computers used lead-acid and ni-cad batteries which while not as volatile as lithium can still burn and create toxic and flammable gas. Not to mention plastics from enclosures and packing materials. I doubt it was military ordinance, otherwise the aircraft would have likely exploded instead of burned over 20 minutes.
That's exactly what it was, whether these "experts" believe that or not. A couple of the batteries likely rubbed through their packaging and shorted out on eachother.
Never seen this one. Thought I'd watched every episode 2 or 3 times. Awesome.
Me too! 🥺
There’s something bittersweet about the curiosity of humans that we would go to work, spending an obscene amount of money that almost certainly wasn’t fiscally responsible, making technological leaps and bounds all to give the families closure about how and why their loved ones died. We are both beautiful and hopeless creatures that only ever strive to understand and love
Understand that the safety investigation takes place to improve the safety of all aircraft
14:44 if someone can sneak an atomic bomb onto a plane the airport really need to rethink their security
Really an atomic bomb 😂
If it was a nuclear bomb, I'm sure even in those days, we would have noticed.
@studio732jrl2 why is that
@studio732jrl2 to be fair, you could sneak an atomic/nuclear bomb onto a plane. They are very small nowadays.
@studio732jrl2 Fyi RUclips just shadow banned you, your comments aren't showing up anymore outside of the initial notification field. I could only read half your last comment. But the fbi did an independant secret audit of the tsa and found that they could sneak in all sorts of weapons including in theory a nuclear bomb, and after they completed the audit they went public with the report of how bad the tsa did at finding what they were able to sneak in.
Omg, I can only imagine what " the bodies suffered severe trauma" meant. Horrific.
Pieces
They called this airplane Helderberg. The Helderberg caught on fire. It’s kind of Ironic because it sounds similar to the Hindenburg that also caught on fire.
I guess it’s time to start using different names for aircraft, huh? Names beginning with “H” and ending in “berg” aren’t working out so well.
@@CRD-hi6vk I agree
wow
The Helderberg has its name from Afrikaans language which means something else when translated. The Hindenburg was named after the late German president. So I mean, I guess in English they sound similar but literally they couldn’t be more different in their own language
@@CYMotorsport I see
I didn't think plane doors could be opened mid flight.
If the cabin has been depressurized the doors can be opened, hence why they descended to 14,000 feet.
Never seen Eraser? Ofc!
Me either .. the opening those doors was the biggest mistake ever because they brought the fire all the way to the door because of the oxygen and brought the plane down!
They can be if the pilot (or circumstances) have depressurized the plane and the pilot releases the door locks from the cockpit. If the aircraft is at higher altitudes and significantly pressurized, then a very large pressure differential is holding them closed with great force.
Can't bear to watch this one. Too heartbreaking
I love this series
I always have but I hate when all the Captains never stress how serious the problem is. It's a huge fire or it could be another big huge ordeal and all the captains are all calm cool and collected about it when they are communicating with air traffic control....... I would stress it until I cannot stress it anymore it's an emergency!! we need help 911!! emergency everybody needs help I need help the whole aircraft needs help help!!! us now please!!!!!!!
Yes we do!!!
@@dontreldontrel416
Agreed...........the passiveness is irrational and costed lives. Mayday should have been called the moment there was the slightest hint of fire. Fire in a tin box at 30,000 feet is VERY different from fire on solid ground.
@@LouisGedo right he kept saying smoke smoke but the captain never said 🔥. Smh.
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Many thanks...the audio and video is clear. Some You Tubers are uploading the same story and when you play it's bad. This channel is providing a good quality videos .
I have to give credit to those who designed and manufactured the black box.
Yes, too bad they can't make planes out of the same material.
They can make planes out of the same material. It just wouldn't be able to fly at all - and more importantly *it would not protect the passengers.*
My condolences for all who lost their loved ones. One thing that wasn’t discussed was the batteries inside the computers that was on board in the cargo hold. We now know some of the high tech batteries have caught on fire, or spontaneously combusted. I don’t know much about what materials go in to make computers and their batteries, so anyone who does have knowledge can you tell us if an element used in a computer or its batteries could trigger something like this? Be well all 😉
Damaged batteries are among the worst thing on an aircraft. Nowadays they are treated as hazmat (hazardous materials) and allowed to fly on "Cargo Aircraft Only." I'm absolutely sure the cause of the fire in this disaster were the batteries. Nothing else -- battery fires are a chemical reaction similar to a road flare -- they feed themselves. I'm surprised this episode ended without anybody thinking the pallet of them was so insignificant.
The military angle is too politically convinent for the enemies of SA, I'd wager it was batteries.
Agree.
Convenient*** not "convinent". Go back to spelling class.
Damn..2 of 3 wrist watches found were still working??!!! Wow 😯😯
I want to know what brands of watches were these..
Being trapped inside a metal tube while zooming through the sky in a raging fire is about as nightmarish as it gets 😱
Cringe
Man, you can say that again!
Definitely a time for Repentance and calling on the LORD Jesus Christ 🙏🏽
Actually they did - this is verbatim or close to it of another comment in this thread by user flightmedic.
Did you copy user flightmedic or did they copy you? I'm always fascinated when people do that on social media. Someone sees a comment they like and rather than offer an original thought and even though the comment has already been made - even though its point has already been stated the person in question decides to make the exact same comment. Sometimes they paraphrase in an attempt to mask their plagiarism. You/they changed the emoji but the text is identical. My fascination is why people do this.
Being trapped inside a metal tube while zooming through the sky in a raging fire is about as nightmarish as it gets 😬
I don't think anything would have saved them at least 80 circut breakers went out that they could hear in the only first minute and a half. But they quit using this combi 747 type after this so something good happened as a result of this crash I don't think it's a good idea to mix large amounts of cargo and passengers cause it's only a matter of time until cargo catches fire. In a large cargo plane only a handful of people will parish from the aircraft itself.
When’s the last time you heard of packages at the post office spontaneously combusting?
There’s nothing dangerous about combies.
@@greggstrasser5791 (large amounts) is the key thing here as opposed to the cargo holds in the bellys of planes. If combis were ae safe as you say then this video wouldn't exist. It's just better to have designated aircraft when talking about the big stuff. They also tried to make a combination ore bulk oil carriers back in the 60s 70s but they quit making them because thay kept sinking or outright blowing up cause the inert gas system.
@@larchman4327
If it were inherently dangerous to have large quantities of cargo in one place, we wouldn’t have warehouses.
We still use combies. We just don’t have a 747 combie.
There was a similar fire on another plane that was hard to figure out but they did figure it out and it was caused by a pallet of expired passenger oxygen tanks that were not sealed on the tops and they overheated releasing the Oxygen in those tanks fueling and starting the fire that was like blow torches lighting everything on fire. I bet it was the same issue that happened on that plane because the airline will take the weight of their own cargo but not necessarily say what they are transporting to there other warehouses of discarded or expired parts.
ValuJet 592
@@Giratina575 Yep. Over the everglades. There were a few people that lost their jobs over that one, and rightly so.
Never knew 747's were made like this, interesting.
4 types-all-passenger, all-cargo, combi (like this plane) and convertible (able to convert from passenger to cargo and back, easily)
Very good job fellows!! Being trapped inside a metal tube while zooming through the sky in a raging fire is about as nightmarish as it gets 😬 very intense.
boss why did u just copypaste the top comment
Yeah,.a weird way to get attention
@@user-xd7dt6gr8l ya I've never had anyone copy my RUclips comments before ,not sure if I should feel irritated or flattered 🤨
Why are you posting under three different channel names?
Bot?
Why do they always say "a smoke problem" when there's a fire?
Maybe because the smoke kills you faster? 🤔
Yeah I know .. they never say "hey we have a fire on board" .. if they did, the investigations could go a lot quicker and sooner than taking years to find out that there was a firearm board after digging all this airplane parts up from the bottom of the ocean! 😒
It's not always clear that it's a fire. The Swissair 111 flight initially had smoke from the cockpit air conditioner (which was normal) but not a fire. Later there was much more smoke from the air conditioner indicating that they *really* had a problem, but still no visible fire. Things can smolder and produce smoke without creating a visible flame.
I don’t think they knew it was a fire just smoke
@@efulmer8675 and British Airways Flight 009 had smoke from flying through a volcanic ash cloud....that one had a happy ending thankfully but boy that plane looked like someone went over the whole exterior of it with a giant Brillo pad
May the victims of SAA flight 295 RIP. ❤️❤️
They're grasping at straws with the "military cargo" speculation in my opinion. Seems unlikely that they wouldn't have found evidence of it among the wreckage if it had indeed been aboard. I also don't buy into the lithium-ion battery speculation some in the comments mention, as this was several years before they were made available commercially(1991) and it's extremely unlikely the computer batteries mentioned would have been some sort of experimental batch(this would be more believable if they were coming from say Japan).
Here's info from Wikipedia about a newer theory: "In 2014, South African investigative journalist Mark D. Young presented a theory that a short circuit in the onboard electronics may have started the fire. The so-called wet arc tracking arises from the action of moisture when the insulation of live wires is damaged. A leakage current to another damaged wire with the respective potential difference may form. The resulting flashover may reach temperatures of up to 5,000 °C (9,000 °F). This temperature is sufficient to ignite the thermal-acoustic insulation blankets that were in use at the time until the late 1990s. Such a short circuit may have caused the fire on board Swissair Flight 111, resulting in the crash of the aircraft in 1998."
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Seems like ditching was their last chance
This was very sad
Agreed! Very sad indeed.
How did the flight attendant who opened the doors not be sucked out?
Because the pressure inside the cabin was almost, if not equal to, the pressure outside. When a plane is above a certain altitude the cabin air is more pressurized than the air outside. If a window, door or hole is opened in the fuselage at that pressure the air inside is forced out with explosive force until the pressures are equalized. The mostly equal pressures meant that the flight attendant wasn't in much danger of being sucked out (though I'd have been nervous if I had been him).
@@emilybach tu!
Because he was doing the sucking
Was ABSOLUTELY RIVETING! A million 👍's!!
4 years before lithium ion batteries were first "commercially" used. However I'd about bet those computers were prototypes for testing. Computers and just 4 years before lithium ion batteries becoming available commercially??? This could have set back the release by 4 years if it was the cause. What do you think?
yep
Maybe not lithium-ion (they weren't widely used in computers until the mid/late 1990s) but there were plenty of other types of batteries in computers that can short, generate heat and toxic/flammable gas. Add plastic flammable enclosures and packing materials into the mix, and you would have an inferno in short order.
If you listen to the audio CVR, it's frightening
sounds a lot like lithium batteries, but they were still a laboratory curiosity in 1990's
They DID have computers in the shipment with batteries, but I dont know what kind they were back then
It seems like that womans parents were having a gut feeling that day they got there will done etc....
That's so crazy.
Plus was this before they had oxygen on the planes?
Yes they had oxygen on the planes, they always had ever since they first developed airplanes .. they're just not allowed to lower the oxygen when there's a fire for fear the oxygen would just feed the fire! 😥
@@MisTracy39TheVeganLady I believe the only time they're (the flight crew) allowed to drop the masks during flight are during an explosive decompression event, at which of course they drop automatically.
This would make a great movie. Kinda like Flight 93 or the perfect storm. No one survived so we don’t know exactly what happened but are able to fill in the blanks.
Q: What is the difference between 9-11 and a cow?
A: You can’t milk a cow for 20 years.
@@greggstrasser5791 tell that to Star Wars. They continually make bad movie after bad movie and it’s been like 40 years. Plus dairy cows can live 15-20 years.
@@greggstrasser5791 yes you can if you keep them alive. Most are slaughtered after 4-5 years because we eat them.
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They had enough info to determine what happened without going to the crash in a part of the ocean to deep to work.
Colgan Air sounds fake to me. Something’s off about this also.
I take it you know all of this because you're a renowned expert on aircraft and aircraft crashes. Right?
@@paulherring8959 no I just listened to the story.
Flammable cargo on commercial flights, without the knowledge or consent of the passengers.
I'd bet there were a few lawsuits that came out of this debacle.
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Why do they not design and install a fire suppression system?
Cargo on a passenger plane is asking for a disaster.
Just getting ON a plane is asking for disaster!
I need more of these uploads! So good!
Search.. Air Plane crashes full length on RUclips. I have probably watched 50 or more. Sadly, waiting on more crashes for new shows or documentaries.
It's crazy to think people's loss can be others life saving help in the future. 😢
Between the door opening and the conspiracy theories; this episode was insane.
Great video but only thing what cause the fire in first place second fire extinguisher in cargo bay
The aircraft was a Boeing 747-200M (Mixed Variant) which can carry both Passengers and Pallets of Cargo.
Every time I hear South Africa I think Lethal Weapon 2.
Diplomatic immunity!
I don't. I think of Nelson Mandela.
I think they should have use a strong Bluetooth wireless signal from the cockpit to the black box Voice recorder . 😉
I used to ship out chemicals overnight Federal express and hazardous too, and they would go on an ordinary jet carrying passengers. Not really smart to do that!!!
" EXACTLY !!!
I am inclined to believe that South African Airlines was carrying illegal weapons, propellant, or ammunition. Green Dot Aviation had a great video covering this.
Their vids are just assumptions tho
Fire extinguishes are primarily used to extinguish a path for escape.
They're not that effective at putting a large fire out.
41:04 omg his eyebrows 😭🤣
Those aren’t eyebrows.
Those are South African jump wings.
He’s airborne.
Smoke problem my @$$! The freakin’ plane is on fire!
laptop frames WERE made of magnesium back then however, so if there was an ignition source....
Batteries are always going to cause a fire There was another fire that took down a UPS plane and that that's reason why we have to have batteries in fireproof containment units when they fly.
Why didn't the oxygen masks drop?
They only drop if the cabin air pressure goes lower than a specific value and it seems that they were calibrated not to drop automatically below 14000 feet (you'll be fine at that altitude or lower) and the Captain did not drop them himself because of the fire.
Fire loves oxygen
They aren't allowed to drop them during a fire emergency. I think the Swiss air fire episode explains that. The oxygen masks could give ample oxygen, making a fire worse
After that accident Combie discontinued. Rip Amen 🙏.
Do we know it wasn't batteries from the electronics?
I was screaming the whole time BATTERIES!
@@BangaGlaser Occasionally spontaneously combusts, causes a self fueled fire, burns really hot. Batteries Batteries Batteries.
Why does everything have to be a government hoax.
This was 4 years before lithium ion batteries were sold.
@@Bryan-Hensley Thermal runaway can happen in almost all batteries. lithium batteries are simply extra bad at it.
@@MegaLokopo @bryan hensley I genuinely want to understand more. I know LiLo and LiPo batteries cannot handle being in the cargo hold.
Also anyone remember the flight that was brought down because of the "used" passenger flight oxygen containers?
Isn't this the one where the manifest listed a cargo of "oxygen tanks" when in fact they were live oxygen GENERATORS used in the passenger oxygen masks onboard aircraft?
No. That’s the Value Jet crash.
@@lalabirdw2407 I’m literally watching that video as we speak. I’m surprised I forgot about this episode.
36:17 thats not what happened though. The cvr includes tape of the pilots talking about the dinner service sonething that wouldve happened soon after takeoff. Not within thirty minutes of the crash
I thought that the coordinates of the plane would be on the radar of the tower
Shouldn't they put the cargo in front of the people? The smallest crash and its going to crush everybody.
I want to tell the crew in the cockpit to find a hole in the ceiling and spray fire extinguishers up in there. 😳
If you have a raging fire on board a commercial airliner, the best option, ditch it in the ocean if you have to, or get it on the ground asap. Too many cases of onboard fires on commercial flights shows the longer they stay in the air, the better chance the fire will bring down the aircraft. ValueJet, a DC 9 crashed into the Everglades in 1995, and a few others flights show this to be true. A Swiss Air flight out of JFK in 1998 crashed in the ocean off the coast of Novia Scotia due to an onboard fire. The pilots have to think outside the box and go against their training to follow emergency procedures, which I imagine wouldn't be easy for them to do this, plus they can't just decide to land anywhere but have to descend and prepare the aircraft for an emergency landing, where an airport would be ideal.
Yeah, heard the arguments before that it will cause the breakup of the aircraft if you ditch in the ocean. Maybe, maybe not, but the alternative is certain death.
Think of this as if you are the pilot and not sitting on the sidelines like we are currently. You have not only a duty to your passengers, you personally saw them board. Also, you have been given a shitload of hours of training by your company that lets you fly their pricey machine. A fire has been reported on a lot of flights over the years and the airlines use these incidents to further train pilots. Typically these fires get put out and its simply a divert to the nearest airport. These planes need almost 200mph just to not stall, so any terrain landing is guaranteed death. Water landings rarely work either. Also they fly over population centers and the only thing worse than a plane crash is when it crashes into an apartment building. So as long as they have some control over their avionics they will try to make an airport. Ditching hundreds of miles out in the ocean means likely nobody lives. If you think your car could get home, but you'll drive it. Well pulling over and waiting for AAA isn't a thing in the skies. If I had my hands on the controls of this plane I would've tried to make a runway
Who's to say that wasn't What happened
We don't know how the plane crashed or if the pilots decided to ditch it because the Voicebox says cut out. But that could have been the end result of what happened.
There are whole bunches of different factors to think about also for instance.
At Night/Morning
In the middle of the Indian Ocean
Nautical miles away from Mauritius
With that type of plane it would Easily break apart. Ditching would have been more risky
Not to mention shark infested water
Sounds like more ways to die and more problems to The Fray
they should built planes with a roll down window for the crew when in trouble
Just because I shipped the chemicals by Federal Express it doesn't mean that they are going on a Federal Express Airline. They go on regular passenger jets!!!
Traveling in a fried-out combie...
I ran out of popcorn :(
Monday morning quarterbacking, but perhaps they should have ditched the plane before things got out of control.
I cannot imagine having to grab a manual to read while a huge fire rages before you. Why not train the crew how to fight fires? What if real firemen had to grab a book before each fire? They attend an academy to learn
You should check out the mentour pilot channel. That might give you a better understanding of the way things are done in aviation. He does a much more technical analysis of different aircraft accidents from a commercial pilot and airport firefighter perspective.
I have a fascination with biplanes crop dusters in the dawn of flight I have never been on a jet plane and will never... People don't realize the danger of jets the pilot takes you exactly as far as the crash site there is no getting out there is no parachutes you are force to ride the aluminum coffin straight into the ground I'll take my chances with a shoot and a biplane
It's also EXTREMELY unlikely that a crash would happen though, so I don't think you need to worry too much.
And I have the exact opposite fear of biplanes or prop planes. Never felt fear in a jet.
Jet planes are far, far safer than you think. You're vastly more likely to die in a car accident than a plane crash.
Why did they not have CO2 extinguishers?????
There was just not jack didley damn the crew could do to save that plane once they realized the fire just would NOT go out. THAT fact screams sneaky military contraband being put on passenger flights. Those poor people…
Bodies found suffering from trauma? Bodies suffering?
Q u e s t i o n s: - Where were the drop-down Oxygen Masks during the Fire & why was there absolutely no mention of them in this documentary
- Was there any investigation into the List of Passengers booked onto this f l i g h t ? These Questions seem obvious to me & it's odd that they were not brought up during this video.
"A smoke problem?" .. not "Hey we have a fire on board!" 🥺
I mean it is called "Fanning the Flames"
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What caused the fire in flight 295 37:39
It's like swiss 111
The cargo burned in this plane ✈️
They would probably have lived had they been allowed to fly over Africa.
They didn't even have time to land in the ocean.
@@Bryan-Hensley they were in the air for 38 mins after they declared an emergency. My guess is they knew there was a problem before that but thought they could put it out.
Politics is above aviation.
Dying on my own terms seems better than in the air on fire at another's mercy, just saying.
i hate it when the narrator says Debris like Day Bree? it makes no sense. It's Debris!
Can you please do disasters at sea?
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Oxygen masks?
Where was the mask drop down? Did I miss something?
Masks only drop with sudden loss of cabin pressure and aircraft has to be above 14,000 feet. Also, oxygen supply to those masks is limited, 12 minutes I think. Something like just enough to get from max altitude to 14,000 feet.
@@jeffs2809 umm unacceptable
Opening the doors and letting all that air out while there was a fire in the back was the biggest mistake and the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life .. All they did was probably bring the fire right to the doors and bring down the plane! 🥵
Well let's thank whatever God you believe in you don't have to make those critical decisions.
I mean literally people were actually CHOKING on TOXIC FUMES.
And what they did was prevent more deaths from smoke inhalation.
And by the way When you base everything A "probability" Completely elementary but whatever.
They added a crapload of fresh air to the fire but they were stuck between a rock and a hard place with no alternatives and the airport way too far to make it with a raging fire and dead electrical systems. The cargo hold should have had a built-in fire suppression system
@@HobbyOrganist it did have a protective seal but it wasn't secure so air got to it... 😶
The only thing I will say .. ALL this time later .. and for NO ONE to be named for being the cause .. I do not think it was an actual group of people or ONE person that did it. There is NO WAY by now that they haven’t told SOMEONE what they did .. it would’ve came out eventually by now . People ALWAYS talk!! It’s human nature. If it was a someone that did it and not a someTHING. They would’ve bragged about it to someone by now and it would’ve came out . The fact that it hasn’t shows me it wasn’t a person or personS
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White punk pilots on dope....
sounds like they were smuggling rocket propellant to use it in anti aircraft rockets against Angola. Snuck it in with other cargo, didnt list it. Mystery solved.
They had computers in 1988?
They should have ditched!!!!
See what happened.
Interesting documentary, but I cant say that I feel bad about people and companies that continue to do business with and within a country that practices apartheid...