How I learned the anklemotion - My mistakes and thoughts - Doublebass
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Hi there!
I pretty quickly thought I would make a video in where I talk about my mistakes when Learning the anklemotion. Obviously many of us go through this trial and error phase, but if this video helps even ONE drummer to avoid these mistakes then I'm happy :)
That creeping motion was VERY helpful thanks
You are welcome!
Thanks for giving us your journey on the ankle motion. Patience is key. It's very frustrating. You helped me out a lot.
Thanks for your comment! Keep it up 👌🏻😊
Thanx for the Video. I'm glad for sharing your Ankle Motion Journey with us. 🎉
Thanks!
that part at 2:53 where you start on the ground and shift up to the pedals to get the motion down is exactly what i did to learn it. I'm surprised no one else tried it this way. It seemed like a logical approach to going from ground practice to pedal. Nice
Really good video! I have had my singles(180-200bpm) down with my both feet for so long, but trying to play them together is so unbelievable hard. It just starts to sound uneven so easily. Playing with both feet sequentially with same volume and following metronome..feels like this road is gonna take forever lol.
@@juusoleino6631 keep it up! I know what you are going through. I was soo close to quit practicing doublebass (anklemotion) but then suddenly it clicked. 👌🏻🧠
definitely going to try and loosen my spring tension to see how it feels! thanks for the info
@@CM_chunk_drums No problem mate!
This experience you shared is awesome, thanks! Please do more. Similar to spring tension, I feel the beater angle and height makes a huge difference, on the weight and speed of the pedal, how do you adjust your beater?
I also managed to get the ankle motion down in 2022-2023, and I can relate to a lot of the things you mentioned. Definitely not use (or at least start with) a high spring tension, and being PATIENT with myself.
I would also add a few technical things that worked for me:
- Do not start at medium tempos and gradually build up speed. This is a different motion. I personally trained directly at 180 bpm (16th notes)
- The motion itself feels more like "bouncing a basketball" rather than "pushing down your calf". I don't feel like my leg is going down, but more that my foot is "rotating". As in, the ball of my foot is always on the footboard, but NOT pushing consistently all the time during the motion. When the beater comes off, it feels like my foot is barely touching the footboard.
- Even though this motion should not be using the shin muscles, I feel like you have to train them somewhat. They have to contribute a little bit, but they shouldn't do all the work.
- Finally, I want to say that the seat position didn't matter that much. I am sitting almost with 90 degree angles with my legs.
Let me know if you had similar experiences :)
Hi!My sensations are as if I'm kicking something with my foot, that is, I feel as if my leg is walking forward and back, while watching myself from the side in the mirror, my technique is absolutely correct.
This was very helpful thank you
The part at 2:53 is the most crucial part and the best way to start getting familiar with the technique,i found also helpful to play in not convienient tempos e.g 200 bpm even if you manage to hit at least 2 hits with good technique after doing it for some time it will increase the speed on this technique.
Nice video, hey i have a question, the controlled ankle motion u started doing off the pedals, did u touch the ground with the heels?
@@ian__luca Yes I did!
Thanks for the advices. I'm very discouraged... :(
Keep going! Took me two years working 20min every two days and then I a got results. This video was the one who helped me the most
Thanks for this. Yeah it's a life journey, that damn technique :D
Thanks, very helpful.
¿Could you recommend any exercises or rudiments for the double pedal?
Sure I could. I could actually make a video where I show a couple of exercises. Are you asking for exercises spesifically for the anklemotion?
@@SamiK1989 yes, for ankle motion.
That would be very nice from yours.
Thanks
Greetings from Finland! I was also able to Get the motion down last year at some point after several years of struggle!
Thats awesome to hear! 🤝🏻
This is great!
I'm at the stage where I can do the single foot, left or right, but when I try to do 16th notes with both feet I devolve into the twitchy mess and there's a lot of unison hits, very frustrating
Do you know if you are balanced on your drumseat?
@@SamiK1989 it's always been an issue but I'd say lately I have been well balanced, yes. I can lift my feet and not fall forward
1:00 my drum teacher told me to tighten the spring as much as possible, I tried it and realized that during training it would not work, so I created the tension I needed
Smart move by you (And not your teacher)
Great video! And what about the beater and plate angle? Did you modify it or do you use the regular 45 degree for beater and regular angle for the plate?
I also have the Speed Cobras as I told you in other video, so I will try lowering the tension since I was trying with high tension lately.
Hi!
I started out with the basic 45 degree beater angle. I also never changed the position of the footboard.
Try lowering the tension as you said. It definitely helps out in the beginning.
Thank you for this video, Sami.
A question about difference between twitching and correct anklemotion:
It looks to me from this video that twitching results from only moving the front of the foot, almost like it's just the toes.
Anklemotion, in contrast, seems to use the whole foot pivoting from the ankle.
Is that right?
I suspect I may have fallen prey to twitching, so I want to be able to identify those differences. Hence my question.
Hey mate , was wondering about those direct drive conversion kits , does it run against the kick drum head as it looks to protrude more than the regular chain attached
Hi mate! For me it doesnt run against my kick drumhead.
I would like to ask you how often do you practice? I'm having troubles at mid tempos like 120 bpm, some kind a twitch motion. What exercises would you suggested at mid tempos?
Hi! I'm aiming to practice 3-4 times per week. I would not say 120bpm is "Midtempo". Try the flat-foot / full-leg motion at those tempos. It should be much easier since 120bpm tempo is not that fast, if you think about the actual midtempo bpm-range that is somewhere like 140-170bpm :)
Thank you very much :) @@SamiK1989
Brother. Last video I saw was you struggle to seperate your feet. Lots of flams and unisens. How did you manage to get past that? That's where I'm at right now
My balance is fine.
Hi!
I focused alot in the beginning to work with just on foot at a time. Once you progress ITS much easier to start playing with both feet at the same time.
@@SamiK1989 yeah I was afraid of that 😂
Nah awesome. Good to hear. I'll keep going one foot at a time. Cheers legend!
@@Arosa03 Thanks dude! Just keep at it and have patience! 🫵🏻
Hello again. I decided to go to this video a second time and ask. What muscles do you use when playing with ankle movements? Many people write that this technique greatly develops the calf muscles, but personally, the front muscles of my leg and the side muscles of my leg, those below the knee and above the ankle, burn.
Hi Alex! Im basically only using the calfmuscles. It sounds like you are activating your shin muscle. I dont have ANY burnin sensation in the shinmuscles when I use the anklemotion. Really hard to give you more precise advice since I dont know how your technique looks like.
@@SamiK1989 Thank you for the answer. Unfortunately, I don’t know your name.
@@Alexdrummer09 It’s ”Sami” and no problem mate!
ALL THE 3 THINGS U SAYD JUST HAPPEN TO ME! damm! everybody say "SPRING TO UR BODY WEIGHT 1 ONE FINGER FAR DRUMHEAD" but if u are a big guy this means U HAVE TO BUY STRONGER SPRING...and spin at 180bpm.....when u stuck at 135 bpm, how can u pretend to learn ankle at 180? some advice on spring setting for a 138-140bpm ankle newbie?
I would say that ankle technique is no good for slower tempos like 140. At 140 just use your whole leg. Ankle technique starts for me at 170ish. At drum technique academy Iwas taught up start at my most comfortable tempo for the technique, 180 for me, then work my way down in tempo then up in tempo. When you play slower you move your foot down the pedal and when you play faster move your foot up to the front of the pedal. I know it’s different yo the way we practice drums in every other situation but for ankle technique you need to start at reasonably fast tempos.
Also this is right! But now start the problem: if a fellow likes to play classic metal, and don’t give a damm to cover tempos from 180 to 2800 bpm( nowadays there is a run to the fastest speed ) how to learn the magical mixed technique ankle/full leg To cover from 130 to 180? I mean, i look to play with the less fatigue i can with full leg i get 130, at 140 with full leg is a torture. Start to integrate ankle from 133 it looks in my opinion a good choice. But i want to learn to cover all the ramp of bpm from 130 to 180 instead jump to 180 to come back. Because those are the tempo i like to play, those are the tempos that makes “hard” a song. Not speed, very high bpm to me is just mess, not hard music. But i respect everybody taste.
What drive shaft are you using with your Speed Cobras?
ACD driveshaft
Yea boii I’m just at the beginning of this heccin hell
Alrighty! Im hoping you are going to benefit from this video then =) Remember: Have patience!
@@SamiK1989thanks, all your previous videos were helpful I guess
@@SamiK1989 Like they are definitely the most helpful material that’s on RUclips currently
@@WPive That means very much to me! There are alot more skilled and experienced drummer on youtube talking about these topics, but thank you very much for your kind words!
How can u tell the difference between twitching and real ankle movement? I can do really fast and powerful single strokes but I don't feel them anywhere and takes me about 5 seconds to start it 😂
"It takes me about 5 seconds to start it" that sounds almost exactly like the nervous twitching motion. I think once you gain control of the pedals only using your ankles you can start and stop whenever you want. You dont need several kickhits before the notes "line up" perfectly.
Hi guys, and thank you Querque for this amaziong video. I have one question: can you watch the video below and tell me what you think about the swing of this pedal? Is possible that the beater swings only two or three time.....??? Tnk you very much: ruclips.net/user/shortspfWKtLFww_Q
The pedal is a DW4002, very very heavy.
Mattia
Hello! Thank you. I watched your video and the springtension is VERY loose. Try to tighten it up a few turns at least.
I think it’s loose springtension in the beginning but yours are a little bit too loose ( Then I dont know if your pedals are working correctly? 🙂)