I'd really like to run Outbreak Prime for Vosik--I love that gun, and would relish any opportunity to pump it into raid boss and watch those nanites go crazy. But as an LFGer, I'm kinda married to my Genesis Chain/Event Horizon/Dark Drinker loadout for that encounter. Genesis Chain and Event Horizon are my preferred guns for the adds and boss damage respectively, but the centerpiece here is Dark Drinker - not just for the captains, but because having a sword to block the SIVA headshot balls from adds tends to be huge, especially when I'm holding down a lane with some new random person I've never played with before. Can't tell you how many times I've gotten surprised thanks from a rando partner for creating a situation where we never have to worry about damage from those stupid SIVA balls! Keeping your fellow player alive is always a priority in LFG raids, and this tends to be a low-key hero move for that fight.
So, now that the potential to get the rest of the Exotics are out, why dont you do a final Exotic Weapon Tier list but for only the raid weapons compared to others for PvP compared to PvE or something of the sort? I think it would be a great way to end Destiny 1 exotics.
if you don't have a burning eye for the Aksis encounter the only other Scout rifles in the game that will one shot the shanks are the Badger CCL and Keystone 01 with Explosive Rounds
My heavy is always a Terminus if I don't require Sword/Sleeper/Rocket. So much so, that each of my three characters have their own. My main character has a normal mode one to distinguish because I prefer it to the Harrowed.
hey datto can you do one of those fancy damage tests between hezen vengeance , the warpath, and any other rockets with those perks, and dark drinker cuz everyone has been fighting about what does max dps to aksis. Ya know cuz your a pro at dps testing
What console do you play on? If your on PlayStation type in Destiny's Destiny in the community's tab and it should pop up. It has loads of players searching for raids all the time!
I use Hunger of Crota for Crota encounter as well, as I feel it's better than using up my exotic slot for Gjally, mainly because HoC has cluster bomb and increase damage to Hive Ultra/Major. I use Red Death for the ads
I still don't understand why they had to nerf Touch of Malice. What's was so wrong about a weapon being the best option in one fucking encounter in the entire game ? Now it's useless everywhere.
"(When mentioning Warpriest) Use The First Curse and Sleeper Simulant" ...I am assuming not at the same time, you probably meant when holding the brand you use TFC and when DPS-ing you use Sleeper. For anyone curious what he is actually using in the footage with TFC I would guess that is a Quillumns Terminus judging by the Solar Damage and his usage of it elsewhere, that and its great for clearing ads. "(When mentioning Vosik) I use Outbreak Prime --- I don't actually run with an exotic" Assuming you mean armor? But you use Ruin Wings? Or... its just the raid gauntlets which are essentially Ruin Wings. Nothing wrong here, carry on.
I need to start using Fatebringer more. I was so pumped for it and when I finally got it, I hardly used it. I need a legendary version though because in raids, I'm almost always running either exotic heavies (ghorn, sleeper, dark-drinker) or special (black spindle).
Datto, you make vids like this one and the raid strategy videos. You are considered the go-to for damage tests and what is best in terms of DPS. Why do you seem upset or annoyed that people are telling you/asking you to test the warpath/hezen on Aksis?
Well you sort of answered it in your second sentence. He's the go-to guy. It was discovered while he's packing up his apartment and moving to another state so he doesn't have time to devote to any videos, let alone a new theorycraft. During this busy time, he's gotten literally thousands of messages of people telling him to test out or to use the warpath (because he's the go-to guy and surely HE MUST do a video on it) and stop using dark drinker. It gets annoying after the first 50 I'm sure. Someone in reddit already did damage numbers so if Datto did it, he would be stealing their thunder.
I'm Voidwalker main with Nothing manacles My main Scout rifle is my Treads Upon Stars with Explosive rounds and Grenadier. For my Titan I have Hero Formula with Take a Knee, explosive rounds and Firefly and for Huntress Angel's Advocate with Outlaw, explosive rounds and Firefly. As Titan I'm mostly using Defender and Hunter - Nightstalker and Gunslinger for Oversoul. Oracles - Scout rifle with explosive rounds, fusion rilfe for oracles and Raze lighter Templar and Gatekeeper- if I'm dealing dmg - Sleeper and ex machina, for clearing mobs - hrotf shotgun or Found Verdict and Raze Lighter Atheon - Scout, Praedyth's Revenge and Sleeper Abyss, Bridge and Ir Yut - Scout, hrotf shotgun and Raze Lighter Crota - Scout, Ex Machina and Gjallahorn Opener in KF - Bad JuJu, hrotf shotgun/Susanoo and machine gun totems - Raze Lighter, Ex machina and Scout Warpriest - Doom of Chelchis, Black Spindle and Quilims Terminus Golgoroth - Scout/Smite of Merrain, Black Spindle and Quilims Terminus and here I'm changing for Stromcaller with Impossible Machines Vosik and engine- Scout, Ex machina and Raze Lighter Aksis 1st - Voidwalker Aksis 2nd - Sunsinger with Sunbreakers (only on Hard) and ofc I'm using Dark Drinker during this part.
I personally like to use ACD/O gauntlets for the titans because its really useful in the lamps section in crotas end because it has a perk where getting meleed by an enemy released a shockwave
Does nobody else use Quantiplasm for the Abyss section of Crota's End? I've found those 4/5 seconds of extra run speed are an incredible boon to running that part fast and efficiently. I need fewer grenades and melees, I can kill thralls coming at me to go faster, I'm getting hit from behind less, I've even used it to catch up if I've fallen behind before. It works on Knights pretty well, and then I can get back to running with that extra speed boost again. I rarely even have to use my primary with Quantiplasm equipped.
Suggestions for the specials and heavies are solid . But nah , I'm not rocking Fatebringer for everything lol . I'm surprised he didn't use Fatebringer for Wrath of the Machine too .
Who noticed that Datto doesn't know his exotics? Warpriest he said First Curse and Sleeper Sim. Then Vosik he says he uses Outbreak Prime then he says he doesn't use an exotic for that phase.
+Datto I saw your test of If Materia months ago and understand your impressions weren't very positive, but I was curious if you've tested your loadout with dumping the magazine of If Materia into Vosik and then, rather than doing the lengthy reload of the LMG, which kills the total damage output, immediately swap to Outbreak Prime for the remainder of the time, which is what I've been doing recently. I also use the Quantiplasm to help clean up captains, so I obviously don't have a sniper rifle available for boss damage. I'm not keen on blowing myself up with rockets when someone walks in front of me (teammates PvP strafing on a boss that barely moves is just a joy), so it's down to Outbreak Prime (mob destruction and boss damage combo) and an LMG. I'm curious to know if you've tried this combination out and how the numbers turned out. I've had some fairly strong damage phases with this setup (perhaps bad teammates just made it look better than it is), but I don't have a team to control the settings nearly as well as you have for your tests.
I thought ruin wings were bugged and didn't actually increase heavy drops? thought that's why everyone uses the takonot helm for the extra heavy and tracking.
Any good rolled explosive round scout, void shotgun, and heavy of choice is best for the beginning parts of VOG, for Templar you should use VOG scout for ranged oracle damage, ex for dps, and whatever good dps heavy you want(Ghorn is prefered)
Given you said you don't use an exotic on vosik, why not try no back up plans? You don't need bastion on the bubble as the damage phase is so short so relentless with a T5 strength build will mean you always have force barrier active. Yes you lose the raid gauntlets for extra heavy but there are always synths and in your case you use OP for DPS anyway. I run this set up and always go in the middle, helps keep me alive when I'm grabbing that front bomb right in his firing line.
Most players cannot and should not be messing around with the rocket launchers. You need a fairly specific gear setup for it but more importantly you need to NOT ACCIDENTALLY BLOW YOURSELF UP. I can't stress how much simpler it is to just sit at the bosses feet and spin until your sword ammo is gone. Yes the RL do more dmg but you need to play perfectly for it to be worthwhile and let's be real here, not many are good enough at the game and the damage difference is very minimal.
JPOG7 TV maybe throw Hazen in there too, All effectively have Cluster bombs. So it comes to a battle of max ammo capacity. RoF, And damage per shot ( If Blast radius and velocity influence that, incorporate that into it.) add it likely will be an estimate b/c cluster bombs. Also a plus to Cluster bomb rockets is that they are ledgendary. meaning if little heavy drops you can use a Spindle as your special/Exotic
Dark Drinker doesn't actually multi-hit, that's just the way it applies damage normally. But yeah, watching the warpath video that's going around, the cluster bombs do seem to be hitting both his leg hitbox and his torso hitbox in some cases. But I think the major issue with them is inadvertently addressed at the end of that video when he's going "why not hunger?". He posits that hungers tracking is somehow making the clusters inconsistent, but really the clusters are just always inconsistent. You can even see on the last 2 shots of his test, the clusters go everywhere and don't do nearly as much damage. It's the same problem as the "wolfpack oversaturation' gally problem, but even worse. If this were more rigorously tested by someone like, erm, I don't know, Datto *cough cough*, I'm sure we'd see some wild variation in the damage from cluster rocketing.
Nicholas Payne yeah but the warpath, unto dust add Hezen don't have tracking and have tripod. so the only inconsistacies would be where the clusters go. But a big plus of the rockets are that 1. They're ledgendary, 2. you can fire most of them in teleport 1 and 2, leading to more time to snipe in teleport 3. add a Spindle in there and I do think that you would out-dps Dark by a decent margin
Like I was saying, I don't think the tracking is the source of inconsistency, I think it's just the clusters themselves. But either way, it's certainly possible, and if we're talking 3 damage phases I'd be interested to see what the slower firing but higher damage Hezen does, though I'd also be interested to see if 6 people firing cluster bombs has a similar ghost damage effect to what gally wolfpacks do when too many are fired in close succession.
+Nicholas Payne Don't know if this was mentioned but there is no "hitting multiple legs". The boss is one entity hitting more than 1 leg at a time does not do anymore damage than hitting just 1.
What weapons would you recommend for people who are running the raids for the first time? I want to bring my wife through her first raids but she obviously doesn't have any of the weapons listed since they are raid weapons (aside from Red Death and Sleeper Simulant which she does have). Thanks and keep up the great work!
Also what is = to Burning Eye because I probably won't be able to do Trials, and I believe the next one is the last one, so I need to know if there is anything = to the Burning Eye scout rifle.
Did Bungie nerf the burning eye? I just did wrath of the machine today and it seems like burning eye no longer one shots the shanks. Anyone have an answer for this?
No. Burning Eye has a selection of barrel perks in the first column instead of optics, so it gives the gun just enough extra damage to still one shot the shanks. Look for a Badger CCL, Keystone, Hand of Judgement, etc type of scout with explosive rounds instead.
Pyro Any scout of that Archetype with explosive rounds one shots them. That's specifically what I was referring to when I responded to op. The other differences like stability will differ though.
Datto, can you please tell us how you managed to run the first curse and the sleeper at the same time for the warpriest? I wish I could do that. ;) I see it's got quillim's terminus in the description. Just messing with ya, man. Good stuff. :)
Hey Datto, can you do a video comparing the best hand cannon, the best, auto, the best scout, etc... for.pve and pvp of all the raids? comparing all the weapons you get? Can you?
On death singers could you use a dark drinker (it is the only exotic sword I have). Also wouldn't dark drinker be better because it does more damage than raze lighter.
curious if u seen the post about cluster bomb rockets being better than dark drinker for akisis damage. VOG rocket being best. curious ur thoughts or if u would test
Datto, what are your thoughts on the Warpath from last week with the god roll that makes it so more damage than dark drinker? It's also on the dead orbit rocket this week
Datto rocking out that double exotic loadout on Warpriest with First Curse and Sleeper! RUclipsr perks!
UntamedPig66 I know this is a 2 year old comment but buddy you need to learn what a joke is
@@YeeY5 that was a joke
@@YeeY5 bruh i hope ur not serious
@@adeptshadowprice3772 he’s responding to someone who deleted their own comment
2:32 getting an outlaw proc on Atheon - Datto 2017
DropBombGaming Thank you for linking this xD
DropBombGaming Also noticed that.
good catch!
Anyone else remember when the solution to everything in pve was simply fate bringer, black hammer and ghorn?
I ran fatebringer, ice breaker and hunger of crota, I used gally of course but i always liked my ice breaker better lol
JJ CAT yeah I'm with you although not by choice, I did the raid every week for months and never got the gally until year 3
I didnt get ice breaker until mid year 2 from an accidental legacy engram purchase
Anyone else pick up on the fact he said he used First Curse AND Sleeper for warpriest?
Liam McEwan I noticed it too you're not the only one lol
Liam McEwan yeah man but we'll get over it
it triggered me
I think he meant to say that use first curse if you have a the aura otherwise use sleeper for damage
Liam McEwan also in his vosik loadout he uses outbreak prime and says he doesn't use an exotic for that part
6:35 is one of the greatest understatements I've ever heard.
"This is gonna be it for destiny 1"...*Cries*
These videos bring back memories.
Yes
Theres just not many d1 vids left really
This is just the video I wanted to see! Thanks for putting the time into making this for us, Datto! ♥
Anyone else find it funny he's talking about his Titan build but showing Hunter gameplay?
I was just about to comment that XD
titan can be invisible now
and they can blink
Dont forget they can trhow nova bombs at aksis too
Azer_XP hunters can blink...
Hey Datto, have you tried Fatebringer? I don't think you mentioned it in this.
BlackStarKamehama "face palm"
JulianoDaBoss doesn't understand irony
JulianoDaBoss your content makes me facepalm
Some kid On RUclips true
@@2CallofdutyWhitepops r/woosh
Dark drinker in the abyss is great when you have weight 10x because you can just slash forward
Wait does it have infinite ammo
Ogga Bob nope but it has more than enough ammo
Derek Cech especially with 2x scabbard and memory of radegast
Try the bolt caster mate 👌
Nice vid, Datto! Thanks for your insight on what weapons to use in the raids.
I'm loving your choice of music Datto!
Thanks Datto! Really needed this guide.
just looking at the music you are listening to to in the background of the stream: You have great taste!
I'd really like to run Outbreak Prime for Vosik--I love that gun, and would relish any opportunity to pump it into raid boss and watch those nanites go crazy. But as an LFGer, I'm kinda married to my Genesis Chain/Event Horizon/Dark Drinker loadout for that encounter. Genesis Chain and Event Horizon are my preferred guns for the adds and boss damage respectively, but the centerpiece here is Dark Drinker - not just for the captains, but because having a sword to block the SIVA headshot balls from adds tends to be huge, especially when I'm holding down a lane with some new random person I've never played with before. Can't tell you how many times I've gotten surprised thanks from a rando partner for creating a situation where we never have to worry about damage from those stupid SIVA balls! Keeping your fellow player alive is always a priority in LFG raids, and this tends to be a low-key hero move for that fight.
Funny, I was just watching your Wraith of the Machine load out video earlier today.
So, now that the potential to get the rest of the Exotics are out, why dont you do a final Exotic Weapon Tier list but for only the raid weapons compared to others for PvP compared to PvE or something of the sort? I think it would be a great way to end Destiny 1 exotics.
YES please Datto.
Silentninja238 i think that would be sort of unnecessary, seeing as they would all get like a C+ for everything and an A if elemental burn.
if you don't have a burning eye for the Aksis encounter the only other Scout rifles in the game that will one shot the shanks are the Badger CCL and Keystone 01 with Explosive Rounds
Daniel my cryptic dragon one shots them. it has crowd control, explosive rounds and firefly. I can only one shot them if crowd control is active.
Daniel I use treads upon stars which has the same impact of burning eye does that one shot w/ explosive round (haven't done raid yet)
What's the point if you have to get the crowd control to activate when you can just get a scout that will do it without.
I cant say for sure. Only one way to find out.
Daniel I'm yet to go to the lighthouse....
You have a very good taste in music
been a while since I've seen a video like this
Havent played AoT yet but the raids look really fun with the current guns and all the guns from all times!
Yee First Curse was my Y2 main for Warpriest as well. Such a fun weapon to use and one-shotting ads is good.
My heavy is always a Terminus if I don't require Sword/Sleeper/Rocket. So much so, that each of my three characters have their own. My main character has a normal mode one to distinguish because I prefer it to the Harrowed.
hey datto can you do one of those fancy damage tests between hezen vengeance , the warpath, and any other rockets with those perks, and dark drinker cuz everyone has been fighting about what does max dps to aksis. Ya know cuz your a pro at dps testing
Telesto in the beginning of Crota's End is also a really good option!
*sigh*
I miss these days. Every time I try and go back for raiding in Destiny 1 the LFG is dead everywhere I look.
Really? I have two pages full if friends on d1. If u want u cab add me. TheLazrGamer145
What console do you play on? If your on PlayStation type in Destiny's Destiny in the community's tab and it should pop up. It has loads of players searching for raids all the time!
Kordell 98 same for Xbox the official destiny 1 club still had tons of people raiding
for Axsis try using the Hezen Vengeance. It does more DPS then the swords and doesn't use ur exotic slot
I use Hunger of Crota for Crota encounter as well, as I feel it's better than using up my exotic slot for Gjally, mainly because HoC has cluster bomb and increase damage to Hive Ultra/Major. I use Red Death for the ads
7:58 Nice exotic drop there mate.
I still don't understand why they had to nerf Touch of Malice. What's was so wrong about a weapon being the best option in one fucking encounter in the entire game ? Now it's useless everywhere.
"(When mentioning Warpriest) Use The First Curse and Sleeper Simulant" ...I am assuming not at the same time, you probably meant when holding the brand you use TFC and when DPS-ing you use Sleeper. For anyone curious what he is actually using in the footage with TFC I would guess that is a Quillumns Terminus judging by the Solar Damage and his usage of it elsewhere, that and its great for clearing ads.
"(When mentioning Vosik) I use Outbreak Prime --- I don't actually run with an exotic" Assuming you mean armor? But you use Ruin Wings? Or... its just the raid gauntlets which are essentially Ruin Wings. Nothing wrong here, carry on.
I need to start using Fatebringer more. I was so pumped for it and when I finally got it, I hardly used it. I need a legendary version though because in raids, I'm almost always running either exotic heavies (ghorn, sleeper, dark-drinker) or special (black spindle).
never thought that a exotic sword would be ideal for raid boss damage
Datto, you make vids like this one and the raid strategy videos. You are considered the go-to for damage tests and what is best in terms of DPS. Why do you seem upset or annoyed that people are telling you/asking you to test the warpath/hezen on Aksis?
Well you sort of answered it in your second sentence. He's the go-to guy. It was discovered while he's packing up his apartment and moving to another state so he doesn't have time to devote to any videos, let alone a new theorycraft. During this busy time, he's gotten literally thousands of messages of people telling him to test out or to use the warpath (because he's the go-to guy and surely HE MUST do a video on it) and stop using dark drinker. It gets annoying after the first 50 I'm sure. Someone in reddit already did damage numbers so if Datto did it, he would be stealing their thunder.
I'm Voidwalker main with Nothing manacles My main Scout rifle is my Treads Upon Stars with Explosive rounds and Grenadier. For my Titan I have Hero Formula with Take a Knee, explosive rounds and Firefly and for Huntress Angel's Advocate with Outlaw, explosive rounds and Firefly. As Titan I'm mostly using Defender and Hunter - Nightstalker and Gunslinger for Oversoul.
Oracles - Scout rifle with explosive rounds, fusion rilfe for oracles and Raze lighter
Templar and Gatekeeper- if I'm dealing dmg - Sleeper and ex machina, for clearing mobs - hrotf shotgun or Found Verdict and Raze Lighter
Atheon - Scout, Praedyth's Revenge and Sleeper
Abyss, Bridge and Ir Yut - Scout, hrotf shotgun and Raze Lighter
Crota - Scout, Ex Machina and Gjallahorn
Opener in KF - Bad JuJu, hrotf shotgun/Susanoo and machine gun
totems - Raze Lighter, Ex machina and Scout
Warpriest - Doom of Chelchis, Black Spindle and Quilims Terminus
Golgoroth - Scout/Smite of Merrain, Black Spindle and Quilims Terminus and here I'm changing for Stromcaller with Impossible Machines
Vosik and engine- Scout, Ex machina and Raze Lighter
Aksis 1st - Voidwalker
Aksis 2nd - Sunsinger with Sunbreakers (only on Hard) and ofc I'm using Dark Drinker during this part.
I personally like to use ACD/O gauntlets for the titans because its really useful in the lamps section in crotas end because it has a perk where getting meleed by an enemy released a shockwave
interesting thought on red death for Golgy
Does nobody else use Quantiplasm for the Abyss section of Crota's End? I've found those 4/5 seconds of extra run speed are an incredible boon to running that part fast and efficiently. I need fewer grenades and melees, I can kill thralls coming at me to go faster, I'm getting hit from behind less, I've even used it to catch up if I've fallen behind before. It works on Knights pretty well, and then I can get back to running with that extra speed boost again. I rarely even have to use my primary with Quantiplasm equipped.
I had a giggle with Datto talking about his Titan choices when the video seems to mostly be Hunter gameplay so far.
Datto probably knows about the first curse and sleeper thing it is an either or situation i'm pretty sure.
Suggestions for the specials and heavies are solid . But nah , I'm not rocking Fatebringer for everything lol . I'm surprised he didn't use Fatebringer for Wrath of the Machine too .
Who noticed that Datto doesn't know his exotics? Warpriest he said First Curse and Sleeper Sim. Then Vosik he says he uses Outbreak Prime then he says he doesn't use an exotic for that phase.
You should make a video rating all the adept raid weapons from worst to best
So Datto you're telling me that I need to do a raid to get a gun so that I can do raids?
+Datto I saw your test of If Materia months ago and understand your impressions weren't very positive, but I was curious if you've tested your loadout with dumping the magazine of If Materia into Vosik and then, rather than doing the lengthy reload of the LMG, which kills the total damage output, immediately swap to Outbreak Prime for the remainder of the time, which is what I've been doing recently. I also use the Quantiplasm to help clean up captains, so I obviously don't have a sniper rifle available for boss damage. I'm not keen on blowing myself up with rockets when someone walks in front of me (teammates PvP strafing on a boss that barely moves is just a joy), so it's down to Outbreak Prime (mob destruction and boss damage combo) and an LMG. I'm curious to know if you've tried this combination out and how the numbers turned out. I've had some fairly strong damage phases with this setup (perhaps bad teammates just made it look better than it is), but I don't have a team to control the settings nearly as well as you have for your tests.
Dam datto showing your secrets.
During crota why not use red death for the heals since you use hunger instead of gjhallahorn
on oracles and confluxes i recommend No Backup Plans instead of Ruin Wings.
I thought ruin wings were bugged and didn't actually increase heavy drops? thought that's why everyone uses the takonot helm for the extra heavy and tracking.
Any good rolled explosive round scout, void shotgun, and heavy of choice is best for the beginning parts of VOG, for Templar you should use VOG scout for ranged oracle damage, ex for dps, and whatever good dps heavy you want(Ghorn is prefered)
My primaries that I normally use are the Hung Jury, Nirwen's Mercy, Keystone, and Adept Fang of Ir Yut.
Given you said you don't use an exotic on vosik, why not try no back up plans? You don't need bastion on the bubble as the damage phase is so short so relentless with a T5 strength build will mean you always have force barrier active. Yes you lose the raid gauntlets for extra heavy but there are always synths and in your case you use OP for DPS anyway. I run this set up and always go in the middle, helps keep me alive when I'm grabbing that front bomb right in his firing line.
Datto if you don't kill the thralls that spawn before the door in KF the centre ads won't spawn
The Arcader What encounter are you talking about?
We need to see Datto's seal of approval on Warpath, Unto Dust, Hezen Vengeance vs Dark Drinker on Aksis.
Most players cannot and should not be messing around with the rocket launchers. You need a fairly specific gear setup for it but more importantly you need to NOT ACCIDENTALLY BLOW YOURSELF UP. I can't stress how much simpler it is to just sit at the bosses feet and spin until your sword ammo is gone. Yes the RL do more dmg but you need to play perfectly for it to be worthwhile and let's be real here, not many are good enough at the game and the damage difference is very minimal.
A good portion of the guns he named I don't even have, haven't done a raid since crota came out
For Aksis since I don't have dark drinker I just use the rocket launcher the warpath with field scout, tripod, and cluster bomb.
Got Abyss I use: Nechrochasm, void shotgun, word of Crota (cluster bombs)
make warpath or unto dust vs dark drinker for aksis, it seems interesting
JPOG7 TV maybe throw Hazen in there too, All effectively have Cluster bombs. So it comes to a battle of max ammo capacity. RoF, And damage per shot ( If Blast radius and velocity influence that, incorporate that into it.) add it likely will be an estimate b/c cluster bombs. Also a plus to Cluster bomb rockets is that they are ledgendary. meaning if little heavy drops you can use a Spindle as your special/Exotic
Dark Drinker doesn't actually multi-hit, that's just the way it applies damage normally. But yeah, watching the warpath video that's going around, the cluster bombs do seem to be hitting both his leg hitbox and his torso hitbox in some cases. But I think the major issue with them is inadvertently addressed at the end of that video when he's going "why not hunger?". He posits that hungers tracking is somehow making the clusters inconsistent, but really the clusters are just always inconsistent. You can even see on the last 2 shots of his test, the clusters go everywhere and don't do nearly as much damage. It's the same problem as the "wolfpack oversaturation' gally problem, but even worse. If this were more rigorously tested by someone like, erm, I don't know, Datto *cough cough*, I'm sure we'd see some wild variation in the damage from cluster rocketing.
Nicholas Payne yeah but the warpath, unto dust add Hezen don't have tracking and have tripod. so the only inconsistacies would be where the clusters go. But a big plus of the rockets are that 1. They're ledgendary, 2. you can fire most of them in teleport 1 and 2, leading to more time to snipe in teleport 3. add a Spindle in there and I do think that you would out-dps Dark by a decent margin
Like I was saying, I don't think the tracking is the source of inconsistency, I think it's just the clusters themselves. But either way, it's certainly possible, and if we're talking 3 damage phases I'd be interested to see what the slower firing but higher damage Hezen does, though I'd also be interested to see if 6 people firing cluster bombs has a similar ghost damage effect to what gally wolfpacks do when too many are fired in close succession.
+Nicholas Payne Don't know if this was mentioned but there is no "hitting multiple legs". The boss is one entity hitting more than 1 leg at a time does not do anymore damage than hitting just 1.
No chaos dogma. That things holy. I swear by it. Its killing potential is unquestionable ✌️
What weapons would you recommend for people who are running the raids for the first time?
I want to bring my wife through her first raids but she obviously doesn't have any of the weapons listed since they are raid weapons (aside from Red Death and Sleeper Simulant which she does have).
Thanks and keep up the great work!
Also what is = to Burning Eye because I probably won't be able to do Trials, and I believe the next one is the last one, so I need to know if there is anything = to the Burning Eye scout rifle.
I wonder if Datto will do a video about the vendor FWC rocket does more damage then Dark Drinker. IMO Dark Drinker will always be my go to for Aksis
FrisKris same because dark drinker is reliable on captains
Honestly Fatebringer is such a fucking good pve gun, even now. I could use it in any activity and be satisfied.
Wonder if Datto would consider doing a dps test with Hezen with Takionaut and Hunger.
I use telesto in the abyss part of crota. its really fucking good especially because it has battle runner as well
So, basically just fatebringer, fatebringer and FATEBRINGER?
Isn't first curse a exotic? So you cant have sleeper sim.
Lil CookieBoi he made a mistake
Hey Datto did you hear that Lord of Wolves out dpses black spindle?
7:45 "i dont use an exotic"
10s before "i use outbreak prime"
basically nothing switches with your loadouts, simply because Fatebriger, Ex Machina, and Quillims are like the best raid guns ever soo
outbreak prime but did he say g didn't run an exotic after for aksis stage 1
My Golgorth loadout was Chaos Dogma, Spindl,e and I believe Quilliums
Did Bungie nerf the burning eye? I just did wrath of the machine today and it seems like burning eye no longer one shots the shanks. Anyone have an answer for this?
Fatebringer is great for aksis part 2 as well
are you talking about the adept smite of merrain?
Would a treads upon stars with explosive be the same as a burning eye?
Flynnborghini yes. That's what I use.
No. Burning Eye has a selection of barrel perks in the first column instead of optics, so it gives the gun just enough extra damage to still one shot the shanks. Look for a Badger CCL, Keystone, Hand of Judgement, etc type of scout with explosive rounds instead.
Pyro Any scout of that Archetype with explosive rounds one shots them. That's specifically what I was referring to when I responded to op. The other differences like stability will differ though.
Datto, can you please tell us how you managed to run the first curse and the sleeper at the same time for the warpriest? I wish I could do that. ;)
I see it's got quillim's terminus in the description. Just messing with ya, man. Good stuff. :)
7:48 datto: corrects himself
me: ENGINE TANK
How am I supposed to use first curse and sleeper
love the video
Wait you can't use first curse and sleeper at the same time
Hey Datto, can you do a video comparing the best hand cannon, the best, auto, the best scout, etc... for.pve and pvp of all the raids? comparing all the weapons you get? Can you?
For wrath of the machine chaos dogma 1 shots shanks for aksis phase 1 btw
Big nostalgia
i binge the old videos
On death singers could you use a dark drinker (it is the only exotic sword I have).
Also wouldn't dark drinker be better because it does more damage than raze lighter.
But explosive rounds glitches out firefly and outlaw (the two main perks), it's just not worth it.
Apparently, Hezen Vengeance has higher DPS against Aksis than Dark-Drinker does. Investigate?
curious if u seen the post about cluster bomb rockets being better than dark drinker for akisis damage. VOG rocket being best. curious ur thoughts or if u would test
Man I gotta get this legendary fatebringer to drop
you mention an equal sniper to ex machina when killing atheon. what would an equal sniper be?
Wait am I crazy? How are you running First Curse and Sleeper at the Warpriest? Swapping?
shinyhunterzach I'm guessing he just arbitrarily puts sleeper into his heavy slot and forgets first curse is an exotic
Nnnnh
no warpath/unto dust with cluster bombs?
These builds were good :).
Would Swordbreaker be better than Found Verdict in Crota?
what is the name of the rocketlauncher at 1.48???
Datto, what are your thoughts on the Warpath from last week with the god roll that makes it so more damage than dark drinker? It's also on the dead orbit rocket this week
why did he say ex ma-china same as year two 2 that sniper wasnt in y2
The LDR can oneshot the knights in Kings Fall Totems.
7:31 good meme