I Was Surprised, In a Bad Way (Slow Speed). Lagoon 380 Boat Tour!
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
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I month ago, I went to Marbella, Spain, to check out a 2012 Lagoon 380 for sale, something that I thought would be perfect for me; little did I know that this boat would make me never look at that type of boat again.
Today's video is a short boat tour! Hope you enjoy it!
What was the reason for posting this video? Content like this will keep ppl from returning to your channel.
It was pointless in relation to the title. And the content , you said yourself wasn’t meant for RUclips. So it’s like you just threw it together, just to make a video?
Hey!
Well i did think some of you guys would appreciate it, and so i put it up there. Thanks for the feedback I'll definitely keep that in mind!
Why were you surprised? In a bad way?
This is just a sensationalist headline.
I agree......., have you checked the bulkheads, that's the only reason if you were surprised in a bad way. Don´t buy it until a good check on the internal structure.
Wow! False advertising. Your objections are basically about speed which you provide little evidence for.
Hey! If you want to you can't look up it's performance characteristics and youll be able to see that the data matches my observation.
Wide hulls and heavyweight .
Huh? You didnt even sail it? No performance figures to back up your opinion. Disappointing.
well kept boat, what where the KPIs when you were talking about "slow"....whats fast under which conditions at how much rpm etc.....bad video by the way.....guess you're fishing for clicks with the headline
Hey Gregor! Sorry you didn't like the video. What is it that you didn't like?
I think i state it fairly clearly that I was personally surprised that it was slower than expected considering other boats i have sailed.
@@CatamaranFreedom Hey,
what does slow mean in your world? There is no comparison to anything here. Just saying the boat is slow is like saying the Porsche is slow and no one knows you just drove a Formula 1 car. The pictures are very bad because they are constantly panned back and forth without focus on anything. Your comments can hardly refer to the blurred pictures. The viewer is not taken along and waits, even though the shakiness makes him sick, for the resolution of your headline. But unfortunately that doesn't come either, except that the boat was slow.....what is slow? In how much headwind and current, at what power setting of the engines and what consumption was the boat and how fast?
Decribe the boats you've sailed under which circumstances.....
Blue Skies
Gregor
@@gregorbehling7026 Cool! I appreciate your input! Thanks for taking the time to be constructive! That is not always the case with comments :)
@@CatamaranFreedom unfotunately you didn't answer my question!
@@gregorbehling7026 oh I didn't actually think you wanted an answer! My bad.
It is slow compared to most cruising cats in that length class (check out multihull dynamics.com), mainly do to it's physical characteristics. Wide hulls, large wetted surface, quite heavy and fixed keels.
But those are the "metrics". It's another thing that the boat "feels" slow, unresponsive at the helm, slow to accelerate etc, but that's a subjective experience.
Does that come a little bit closer to answering your question?
Lagoon are the cheapest . Structural engineering = zero.
Haha zero is a low score ;)
Lagoon is doomed ,bad ,bad workmanship
Are you sure? Do you think if they do a good job with the bulkheads they will be forgiven?
@@CatamaranFreedom I’m certain, the sky is falling.. lol - the armchair quarterbacks are certainly beating their tambourines..
@@bjackson1975 Looks like it is falling, just as fast as Lagoons resale value. ruclips.net/video/zoXWKz4Odsg/видео.html
@@nandrews8412 Lagoon is apparently making their choice in the matter.
Stick around to the end for what!
Title of the video is catching attention. But in the end there's nothing behind. You just told it's been too slow for you. So what? A bad surprise promises something spectacular, extra ordinary damage or anything in that direction. It's a little bit fooling people with naming the video this way.
I didn't see it that way André. I actually was surprised that it was this slow but you make a good point! Thanks for the input!
Wouldn’t touch a lagoon product with a 10 foot pole
Hahaha. Not a fan;)
I am with you William ro many issues specifically broken and cracked bulkheads
@@tjs0067 Not on this model, or?
@@tjs0067 on one model only. remember more lagoons have circumnavigated than any other catamaran, I wouldn't say no to one, but this one is a bit small
@@licencetoswill no not only 1 model, it is an issue across most of their models. It’s just that Parlay made it very public on their 450. There is documented issues on the 500, 440, 420, 400 & 380 etc. if you research the insurance claims worldwide you will find the answers.
L380 is a great boat...
I agree!
everything I can see says the lagoon 380 is never intended to be a lightweight fast cat - its about middle ground - there are slower - however this was pretty flat, light conditions not suited well to it.. it does have reasonable bridge deck clearance and can handle a heavy blow. Its not of course a Shockwave or an Outremer. What else are you looking at? I am looking too... but older, cheaper. 2002 model or 2006 FP Athena 38, Dufour nautitech etc. I don't want a super fast boat as it won't have the load capacity I need for diving, kitesurfing family touring.
I like how you are thinking! And definitely middle ground. It seems to have incredible amount of storage space but I'm wondering how it sails with that much weight. On this day it was nesröy empty.
Most boats I'm looking at are priced below 200k (i have a full list on my website).
I have considered prouts and geminis but I'm not sure they measure up to the safety standard I'm looking for.
I have noticed the athena but i know nothing about it, what are your thoughts on athena?
@@CatamaranFreedom thks your site has some great stuff. some great vids of lagoon 380 putting up with big winds e.g. ruclips.net/video/vzJu17GiN9E/видео.html. Anything that sells over 600 units deserves a look. on FP Athena 38 I read (only, no experience) that it is lighter and finer entry so seemingly more agile in lighter winds and faster. but its a more rudimentary layout internally and seemingly less headroom and internal space. The Athena has a more sleek look. I understand the upright windows of the lagoon mean less solar gain internally. one really has to try on both but v-tricky with Covid upon us. Ive been on a Prout 37 elite - slow & slappy but practical. The main Gemini benefit over these is really that it is so narrow it can fit in a mono berth. Both solid boats of course the Prout has done a lot of blue water. The Gemini builder did a trans Atlantic with his son and swore never again - also I see complaints of them being a bit creaky and the berths are limiting.
Thanks that means alot! There are just soo many things to learn, but i have realized that writing articles makes the info stick in my head!
It would be cool to Sail a athena, do you have any boats around you that you can visit?
I share your thoughts on the prout and gemini. They don't really feel worthy of the money for a round the world trip.
What are you looking to do with your cat?
I love how a handful of 450s have had bulkhead problems and the RUclips commenter yacht surveyors have all agreed that all Lagoons now have bulkhead issues. This will hopefully save me a few thousand dollars in the years to come from less demand.
I agree that most commentors have their expertise from watching Parlay. But they have a point:
The "handful" is almost 100 confirmed cases now, but most boats haven't checked their bulkheads.
The 400 has bulkhead issues, too. Plus someone just discovered a cracked mast support column, and several owners have checked and found the exact same damage.
The 380? Just look at the nice 2010/2011 380 owner's version in Spain, the one that is listed with half a dozen brokers. Or Daria's sistership Monika, also for sale in Spain. Or Kerika, which has all port side bulkheads detached and one cracked.
@@nothingspecial8500 I'm sure you've spoken with more than 500 450 owners to know that most of the more than 1000 havent been checked. You've totally convinced me that 2 individual 380s with unknown use histories are sufficient evidence that several thousand of them must also be defective.
@@joelw2023 nope. I looked at enough 400 to know that almost nobody outside the FB group bubble implements the technical notes issues by Lagoon. Try to find a rot free 400 - or any Lagoon with the escape hatch fix implemented.
From my experience the 450 owner group is not much different in that matter.
The 380 never reached 1000 units as far as I know, but I could be wrong. My three examples are just the two units I know with bulkhead problems which are currently on the market. I have more on file that were sold, some of them years ago.
But I don't want to convince you of anything. If you are in the market for a Lagoon cat you are most likely a big boy and make your own decisions. Good luck!
Doesn’t seem that your title shows this to be a ad boat. Slow maybe, but that is expected
Enjoyed your channel! Just Subscribed.I’m trying to convince my wife that a circumnavigation is a great retirement project and went so far as to even start a little channel (@NavalGazingatCampDavid) to sell her on the life style….desperate times and all that. Lol. Thanks again for the great content. I have a whoooole new appreciation for the time and care it takes to create these episodes!
shittiest boats out there and i thought that well before the 450 bulkhead disaster.
misleading title with no indepth description about the downsides except for the motor speed?... what do you expect for 25HP engines?
What's the misleading part?
Looka like a newer lagoon 42
It does, doesn't it! I wasn't sure since I haven't focused much on lagoons. What you think, 2018 or newer?
Its a nice boat. Smaller than some others. Slower than some. It will however get you to a lot of places if sailed under the right conditions. I wouldn't want to be out in terrible weather in that boat, but with the right planning you shouldn't be.
I definitely agree that proper planning is key when it comes to staying safe! Although sooner or later that unexpected storm always seems to show up :)
@@CatamaranFreedom very true. Thing I keep seeing is folks tend to push the envelope for the boat and gear they got. Get something better and you go out in things that are worse. Anyone going the living aboard cruising route shouldn't be under the illusion that any boat marketed towards them is safe in a hurricane.
I've been doing a lot of reading lately on all the accidents I can find over the years. Almost every catamaran accident I've seen has been from 1 of 2 things. Folks with low skills making mistakes that lead to the boat having substantial damage or failing to see to maintenance. Folks with high skills letting the confidence in a boat put them in a bad situation. That former group isn't going to do any better with a better boat. That latter group would actually be better off in a lesser boat if it convinces them to not be so stupid.
One thing I do keep seeing though is the folks who are cruising successfully are meticulous about timing their trips with a constant eye towards safe passages. Even then they can still get stuck in a squall but nothing that should come close to taking out any of the catamarans that are commonly being used in the charter industry.
So in the end if I had to choose between a bigger boat or better quality gear I think gear is the way to go. The better gear would be everything from better chain and anchors, to sails and lines, well maintained engines with spares, and last but absolutely not least.... the best comms gear I could run combined with something like predictwind. Now if you can afford all the extra bells and whistles go for the bigger boat.
Check for cracked bulkheads. Lagoons are famous for them.
Yeah. I really hope they figure that out! Looks like a sloppy job of fiberglassing.!
@@CatamaranFreedom sloppy job of fibreglassing on one boat maybe ,on dozens then its a design fault.
@@CatamaranFreedom did you ever check your bulkheads, are they single plywood like the 450?
@@willyum1208 hey will!! No sorry i didn't!
Anybody wanting/looking at a lagoon boat today, must get his head checked. And then book into a asylum.
Can you tell me why that is please ? I am trying to learn about boats. Thanks !
@@BibiBubuish Bulkheads. Go Check out Parlay Revival YT Channel
Lagoon has very poor build quality. Many people are finding serious structural problems with them.
I'm awaiting the official lagoon response!
@@CatamaranFreedom yep.. before I say anything negative, we need to give Lagoon an opportunity to respond. That will be their moment.
@@bjackson1975 Considering the upgrade/repairs to make them seaworthy are quoted from 50-90k im guessing they will file bankruptcy after the class action suit.
@@nandrews8412 Still too early to tell. Hoping the community will at least give them time to make it right before the inevitable cancel sentiment occurs.
Lagoon is great. It's a cruising boat not a fast race cat.
I definitely agree with you on that!
Good boat to me.. in ref to your video.
They are no super fast gunboats but with TLC and some common sense a lagoon will serve you well.
I agree. It's a matter of sailing preferences. But i was surprised that a lightly loaded 380 would be that sluggish . Other than that it's a nice boat
Why is it that almost all current yacht have a racing rig? Even if obviously cruisers.
A mast head rig is so much better. It gives better support to the mast, but most of all allows the mainsail to be let out to 90deg, so you can spill wind, lay a hull, and easier to reef.
L380 is a great entry level boat. Price wise, space, it’s a great bargain if it fits your needs. Very basic though. All boats are a compromise. 380 is great for day sailing or shorter trips although people live aboard. It does 6.5 knots in 10knots so it’s decent for what it is.
I agree! Looks great for liveboard but the tradeoff seems to be sailing characteristics!
You know of any L380 that has been modified for speed?
@@CatamaranFreedom why modify it for speed? Get a boat designed for speed. Trade offs are what they are. This boat is designed for a particular niche. Changing it to a more aggressive sail plan might get you more speed, but it would also likely make the boat riskier. If you dealt with the increased risk you would then have spent so much money that it would have been easier to sell this boat and buy the appropriate one. Case in point: One stay vs two stays for the mast. A boat meant to be out in bad conditions should have 2. If you want a more aggressive boat don't even consider one that doesnt have 2. Otherwise you are likely to push your boat into a situation where everything can go from fine to really really bad in a moment.
This boat can and will get you to many places cruisers want to go. The trips have to be well planned of course. The boat is definitely one meant for better weather conditions. Saying all that you can find these boats for sale occasionally in some remote places. So someone sailed it there.
I disagree about needing 2 stays. The 380 Mast is only 57ft above the waterline. In comparison, a 450F is 75 ft AWL. The 380 doesnt need 2 stays for that height. The 380 has a CE rating for every ocean in the world. Many of them have done multiple circumnavigations.
Hi,
It is a beautiful comfortable and safe sailboat but it is, for me, a houseboat or "Catacaravan".
I like yachts that are nervous at the helm and fast, therefore the trimaran.
Yeah that makes sense! You want some action right :)?
@@CatamaranFreedom ... Yes please, next time you interview a multihull designer, like R Wood, why not about trimarans.
Very interesting! I like the idea
I looked at lagoons. They are cheaply made and not structurally built well at all. After seeing a few different models, i decided to stick with a mono hull.
Interesting. But surely there should be some cats that are up to your standard?
@@CatamaranFreedom the problem with lagoons is the grids and bulkheads are glued and not glassed on. Joint separation is common. Same with jeaneau, benetau, and lots of newer brands. Most production boats are all owned by the same company. Diffrent brands but same owners. I ended up buying a Tayana 52. Built strong.
I guess you have seen the story of parlay revival? That's not good build quality..! And I totally agree with you on that
@@CatamaranFreedom yes ive seen parley. But i have seen alot of adhesive faliures from the company who owns lagoon, benatau and a few other brands. In my opinion, if you want a good solid boat. Go a little older build. I boat a boat for compfort, reliability, stingth and one i can sail around the world on with no question. I got a Tayana 52
That's strange isn't it? There's no real magic to a good bond, so it's only for saving the company some money? Or what Do you think?
How much was the owner asking fir this boat
Hey Micheal. 220k euro
Check what you can't see , the bulk heads. Internal inspection is vital when buying any cat especially a LAGOON. You can always polish a Turd , but it will still be a turd. Check all service records with the company LAGOON and all outstanding recalls for repairs or upgrades recommended by the Manufacturer.
It's a better live aboard than you realize. The 380 has lots of spaces to add more storage.
As a livebaord i definitely agree. I haven't found many 38ft cats with that amount of space!
Yep, we lived aboard our 380 for a year. It’s a great catamaran
Same, same with all the Cats. If it ain't white, it's not right. I don't get it.
I personally wouldn’t buy a boat that was built by the same group that lagoon is part of. There are far too many reports of cheap structural build quality and poor engineering. If one must look at the production builders, I would look at the SA production builders like Leopard, exquisite etc. Far better build quality and after sales support and service.
I definitely think your onto something. But i also think that if lagoon handles the situation in a good way I'll feel comfortable looking into buying one
Amen. Well said. One word: bulkheads
Ja but not everybody is keen on balsa cores.
Intressant video, hitta precis din kanal så ska passa på och titta in dina tidigare videos också.
Men är du bosatt utomlands eller reser du endast runt just nu i jakt på en passande cat.
@Tommy tack för det schyssta orden! Det är alltid kul att höra! Hoppas du finner de andra klippen användbara också!
Jag har en lägenhet i Spanien, så jag passade på att kolla in en när jag var där. För hemma i Sverige verkar det vara noll catamaraner till salu :(
Är du också på jakt?
@@CatamaranFreedom ah okej Nice. Som du säger är det snålt med just katamaraner här i Sverige, jag tror jag sett ett lagoon 380 på blocket.
Ja, eller snarare drömmen skulle vara att segla jorden runt på katamaran. Just nu tittar jag mest runt online och försöker bilda mig en uppfattning om vilken båt som skulle passa mig och min budget. Innan jag slår till måste jag dessutom sälja min lägenhet för att kunna finansiera ett köp.
Men 380 känns som den båt som är inom räckhåll. Sätter man ribban för högt kommer man nog aldrig i väg
@Tommy Ja eller hur! Man kan hitta en eller två men då är dem oftast svindyra och inte riktigt värt det tycker jag. Vad siktar du på för budget? Och när tänker du dra iväg?
Jag har precis sålt min campervan och börjar jobba mot att få ihop finanserna. Har du koll på båtlån?
Ja 380 är fin. Men jag har en hel andra båtar i samma prisklass som är mer intressant för mig. ( Om du vill kan du googla "best catamarans under 200k" så har jag en artikel om de båtar som jag kollar på just nu.)
@@CatamaranFreedom
Jag skulle tro att min budget landar nånstans mellan 1 - 1.5 miljoner. Så med tanke på det måste jag försöka hitta en båt som har lite renoveringsbehov. Har inte tittat på båtlån, skulle verkligen vilja försöka slippa det.
Om inga större förändringar sker skulle jag vilja åka om ca 1 år. Men mycket ska ju klaffa så det är svårt att sätta ett realistiskt mål.
Jag studerar just nu på yrkeshögskolan till programmerare, så hoppas kunna jobba med det när jag väl är på resande fot.
Hur ser din plan ut? Hur var campervan livet?
Okej, intressant ska gå in och läsa nu.
@tommy Jag har samma tidslinje och samma budget som du verkar ha. Dock funderar jag på att ta lån så att jag kan få avkastning på pengarna istället för att ha dem låsta i båten.
Leopard 40 , it has space , and better built
The boat at the end look like a fountain pojo to me
What model do you think?
Great Boat!
glad you like it
you are looking in the end in Lagoon to..Look at the sign ;)
Haha well said ;)
@@CatamaranFreedom you are welcome ;)