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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
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    After missing out on Olympic qualification as woman, Pat Manuel returned to competition after transitioning. Can he now find challengers to return to the top of boxing?
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Комментарии • 205

  • @Olympics
    @Olympics  7 лет назад +20

    You can read more about the IOC Guidelines, which were defined by medical specialists taking all the scientific evidence available into consideration, including stipulating testosterone level limits here: stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf

  • @gaboogablah
    @gaboogablah 5 лет назад +90

    There should be mens, womens and trans categories for sports.
    Trans should compete against trans only.
    That's how to have equally.

    • @zoegauthier7540
      @zoegauthier7540 5 лет назад +7

      gaboogablah nah this dude was on levels of testosterone to make him equal to guys. transgender people aren’t a separate category?? they’re girls or boys.

    • @skgtt1811
      @skgtt1811 5 лет назад +11

      liam gauthier so men boxing women is ok? Tell that to the Australian woman boxer killed by a trans person in the ring

    • @zoegauthier7540
      @zoegauthier7540 5 лет назад +1

      Serkos Kanellopoulos i believe there should be different requirements for mtf people, because the hormonal changes are less intense. i hope that woman rests in peace.

    • @zoegauthier7540
      @zoegauthier7540 5 лет назад

      gaboogablah the most disgusting thing to me is how purely hateful you are. what if that was you? have you ever hated yourself? have you ever been diagnosed with mental illness? have you ever hurt in a way that nobody understood? how do you think it’d feel if they already felt that way, then on top of it people like you are spiteful and hateful for no reason. if you believe in god, he is not a man of hate. he sees all men and women, mentally ill or not, as his children. you are not doing what the lord would want and even if you don’t believe in a god, your mentality is what gets people killed. you need to rethink your values.

    • @SurferBobbyLew
      @SurferBobbyLew 5 лет назад +4

      This is a woman end of story on hormone therapy. She is biologically female a women with gender disphoria

  • @ernestmac13
    @ernestmac13 7 лет назад +121

    Pat isn't taking enough Testosterone to give him an unfair advantage over men who are not in his particular situation, the change is only dramatic because the female is accustomed to estrogen. If Pat had been born a boy but had a health issue rendering his testicles unable to produce testosterone, folks wouldn't be up in arms about him being on testosterone supplements.

    • @alexxander966
      @alexxander966 7 лет назад +12

      Social Media Meham I don't know why this is so hard for everyone to wrap their minds around?

    • @hannahjwakeling3829
      @hannahjwakeling3829 7 лет назад +8

      If he was to take to much testosterone his body would most likely turn the excess testosterone into estrogen, so it's not like he has more than a cis male

    • @kaenkano1927
      @kaenkano1927 5 лет назад +2

      Great f*cking reply true story, I agree whole heartedly...

    • @kaenkano1927
      @kaenkano1927 5 лет назад +1

      Though it does feel strange knowing she was born a woman. But after watching the fight, this girl boxes like a man. She gave a good fight both in performance for the crowd and in the ring. God bless her I wish her the best. Im excited for next fight. Hopefully theres more promotion next time because this should be considered a big thing in boxing.

    • @dchappy6985
      @dchappy6985 5 лет назад +4

      Still Cheating!

  • @mathewstovell5167
    @mathewstovell5167 5 лет назад +36

    American politics interfeering with world sport including the olympics. This is just pathetic.

  • @mattthedestroyer2804
    @mattthedestroyer2804 5 лет назад +18

    He's still weaker than biological men, why are people saying this is unfair??? 😂😂😂😂
    Testosterone isn't the only difference between genders

  • @alexdalacios3238
    @alexdalacios3238 5 лет назад +21

    Wake up ppl this all of hollyweird

  • @lexnite22
    @lexnite22 7 лет назад +81

    People on here talking like as if they have a PhD in human physiology and an understanding of medicine in hormonal treatment, get out of here and get an education.

    • @azn0azn0azn
      @azn0azn0azn 7 лет назад +24

      lexnite22 how about you educate us instead of bashing our "nonsense."

    • @taniwhab3860
      @taniwhab3860 7 лет назад +9

      Chingye he/she/it won't because most likely they can't.....

    • @alex73217
      @alex73217 6 лет назад +2

      At last read the article they posted alongside this video... that would be a start :D

    • @edwingutierrez3923
      @edwingutierrez3923 5 лет назад +1

      They do have an education.... gender dysphoria is an actual thing, and what is pretty sad is people like you preaching falsly and embracing this stupidity

    • @tyrone05
      @tyrone05 5 лет назад +2

      the people that had PhD's in Physiology wrote books about male and female and now are being told they were wrong. Explain

  • @cantilever
    @cantilever 5 лет назад +21

    Pat almost got knocked out by a winless journeyman in her professional debut. (She got a gift decision in a bout that should have been scored a draw.) She would be destroyed by any world-class male super-featherweight. Why...? 'Cause she's a biological woman competing against biological dudes...

    • @tyrone05
      @tyrone05 5 лет назад +1

      no anyone with a decent ability to fight. World class would be murder and should no be sanctioned

    • @Sean_Regan
      @Sean_Regan Год назад

      Shh the snowflakes will hear you.

  • @jaywright8837
    @jaywright8837 6 лет назад +20

    Good on you mate :))

  • @idiotwhonoonelikes1128
    @idiotwhonoonelikes1128 7 лет назад +21

    Why is everyone being disrespectful

    • @RikuBielfelt
      @RikuBielfelt 6 лет назад +3

      I see no disrespect and i managed to scroll all the way to your comment xD

    • @tyrone05
      @tyrone05 5 лет назад +3

      the only disrespect is people trying to tell us our common sense is not correct. That is a major insult

    • @mikemendez3778
      @mikemendez3778 5 лет назад +2

      @@tyrone05 Yeah like a man is not a woman

    • @takeoma5798
      @takeoma5798 3 года назад

      @@tyrone05 Actually your common sense is kinda wrong, no offense to you tho, nobody teaches about trans people in school, you just here about it. So I completely understand why you would be offended because when people insult your intelligence. But I’m not here to insult you I’m just here to try and educate you and hopefully you’ll change your view on trans people because they suffer from a lot and people are very ignorant about this subject. See there’s a medical condition call Gender Dysphoria. Essentially it means that trans people are born with the brain of the gender they conform with, for example, a transgender man would have a brain structure and function of that of a cisgender male’s like a larger Hippocampus and a brain size abt 11% larger than a women’s, they’re was an entire study made by the Cleveland Clinic devoted to this called Research on the Transgender Brain: What You Should Know. This medical condition has been also seen in animals and I believe Harvard did I study on this as well called Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity. So I hope this helps you understand transgenders a little more. And I hope I didn’t offended you either, people are ignorant to a lot things that go one in the world and that’s not your fault I just hope you have a better understanding about these people.

    • @wolfgangamadeusmozart113
      @wolfgangamadeusmozart113 Месяц назад

      ​@@takeoma5798 Wdym "these people". Frankly, I find that bigoted.

  • @LilacDaisy2
    @LilacDaisy2 5 лет назад +3

    Is Pat winning against top sportsmen, like the trans who are slaying top women in their sports?

  • @claudiocastro9796
    @claudiocastro9796 6 лет назад +11

    Good job Pat, you are not a man, you are THE MAN, most of us will never be or become.

  • @urbanothepopeofdeath
    @urbanothepopeofdeath 5 лет назад +16

    " I lost, so I went trans". awesome, smh

    • @h2flow1
      @h2flow1 5 лет назад +3

      So Pat couldn't hack it as a woman fighting woman and lost. Now Pat wants to take tesotorone, and fight men. 🤔

    • @PuicyBuilt
      @PuicyBuilt Месяц назад

      Hahahaha

  • @MrGrey-zc2cy
    @MrGrey-zc2cy 6 лет назад +3

    The way I see it the testosterone doesn't give him an advantage because he used to be a woman.
    It's basically the opposite of trans-female athletes competing, sure they have reduced testosterone but they still have most of the advantages that come with going through puberty as a male.

    • @mikemendez3778
      @mikemendez3778 5 лет назад +1

      Yeah that chick has no chance at going pro

  • @diyap7343
    @diyap7343 5 лет назад +26

    Men, Women, Trans. We need the third category.

    • @jimmyjim5yearsago376
      @jimmyjim5yearsago376 5 лет назад +6

      Or maybe four category. Men, women, trans-men, trans-women

    • @onesimpletrick3448
      @onesimpletrick3448 5 лет назад +1

      Diya P yay for segregation!! No.

    • @diyap7343
      @diyap7343 5 лет назад +1

      @onesimpletrick it's not about segregation. When trans females compete against biological females without undergoing surgery or hormone therapy, they have a very obvious physical advantage because biological men compete on a much higher level than women.
      This isn't a plea for segregation. This is a call for reason.

    • @mikemendez3778
      @mikemendez3778 5 лет назад +3

      You mean men,women, mentally unstable?

    • @kekayaan6337
      @kekayaan6337 3 года назад

      @@jimmyjim5yearsago376 and white men, black men, Asian men, white women , black women , Asian women, trans women , trans men.

  • @onetwo19
    @onetwo19 5 лет назад +1

    This guy is really cool but if I hear him calling people transphobes and racists even one time, he won't be cool anymore. Remember, It's taken you years to decide to change so don't expect those around you, opponents, or whomever to just change right away. You have to be a little tolerance too!

  • @jennettesaxberg6528
    @jennettesaxberg6528 7 лет назад +43

    More power to him. Go pat.

  • @honestresponse6833
    @honestresponse6833 6 лет назад +6

    I've been in boxing and mma for a long time.........you are definitely a fighter!!! I wish you luck.

  • @bobleeswagger831
    @bobleeswagger831 5 лет назад

    Bouts fall out all the time in amateur boxing. People get cold feet and don’t show up. The trainer even said they didn’t tell anyone Pat was trans, but Pat and the trainer cry transphobia because the other guy pulled out??? Listen, I know Pat wants to compete, but this isn’t going to end well.

  • @androlibre9661
    @androlibre9661 6 лет назад +5

    Taking roids to be become a man or maintain avg male levels of Testosterone IS an advantage.. You're artificially maintaining T levels, so you experience no drop or natural fluctuation. Just like guys with a Low T doctors note are "allowed" to take Testosterone and all the sudden put up better numbers than in their prime. That being said........I doubt FTM trans athletes can actually dominate even when roided up

    • @kekayaan6337
      @kekayaan6337 3 года назад +2

      I wouldn’t compare a Low T dude to a female taking steroids.

  • @chrisalbright3599
    @chrisalbright3599 Год назад

    So this person is going to fight women. I thought you were never supposed to hit a girl. He couldnt cut it with men so they went girl

  • @Maitreya888
    @Maitreya888 Год назад

    She have little to no chance against male boxer. No fairytale story going to change millions of years of evolution.

  • @edithcallaway4316
    @edithcallaway4316 6 лет назад +2

    All these Jewphobic comments are sickening.

  • @weeniewizard
    @weeniewizard 7 лет назад +28

    LOVE! Ignore the hate and you do you! Wishing you lots of luck!

  • @maorinattydread1916
    @maorinattydread1916 5 лет назад +8

    Yeah my brotha much respect my Fellow Trans Brotha. Stand Strong and keep winning.

  • @alexanderk.5474
    @alexanderk.5474 7 лет назад +38

    Well, then let's lift the ban on doping too.

    • @samschumann3868
      @samschumann3868 6 лет назад

      A. K. Bruh what

    • @desprinkhaan641
      @desprinkhaan641 6 лет назад

      I'ts not doping, his testosterone levels is the same as the average man. Doping on the other hand, brings the level much higher than that, making that disadventage

    • @kekayaan6337
      @kekayaan6337 3 года назад

      it’s 2 different substances, steroids is anabolic(muscle building)while HRT is androgenic(develop male characteristics). And they only take the same level as biological men.

  • @batman1169
    @batman1169 5 лет назад +2

    Its PAT!

  • @mr_teo4072
    @mr_teo4072 7 лет назад +12

    Yeah sure. Have cross gender in sports. Just don't complain when a women gets killed by a transexual women.Simple.

    • @butterflykisses2552
      @butterflykisses2552 6 лет назад

      Mr_Teo That's why competitors use protective head hear, padded gloves, etc and what refs are for in contact sports.

  • @METAL-ADDICT
    @METAL-ADDICT 5 лет назад +4

    Now this I can get behind. Good fortune to you.

    • @Olympics
      @Olympics  5 лет назад +2

      Well said. Good luck to Pat in his professional career! 🥊

    • @mikemendez3778
      @mikemendez3778 5 лет назад +2

      @@Olympics have fun getting knocked out by real men

    • @kekayaan6337
      @kekayaan6337 3 года назад

      @@mikemendez3778 real men gets knocked out by real men as well. What’s the point? There can only be 1 winner.

  • @HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear
    @HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear 7 лет назад +26

    That's a girl though. Taking hormones in amateur boxing and olympics is not fair it's like taking in steroids please don't do this olympics commissioner.

    • @jonny5415
      @jonny5415 7 лет назад +2

      Henry Chaisritha
      in the link they posted it says, that the anti-doping code won't be affected by this.

    • @kekayaan6337
      @kekayaan6337 3 года назад

      if u mean doping, it’s 2 different substances, steroids is anabolic(muscle building)while HRT is androgenic(develop male characteristics). And they only take the same level as biological men. So I don’t understand your logic.

  • @aarthemuse6946
    @aarthemuse6946 7 лет назад +11

    Good luck !

  • @h2flow1
    @h2flow1 5 лет назад +2

    Sorry Pat, mother nature is against you on this one. No matter how hard you try.

    • @honchokzeetv1569
      @honchokzeetv1569 3 года назад +1

      Apparently not since he doing this good in life 😹

  • @JessM.93
    @JessM.93 Год назад

    She needs to box women.

  • @tristantoledo6866
    @tristantoledo6866 7 лет назад +14

    All right hormones are allowed? How about we let steroids be entirely legal, let's see how fair that would be.

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 6 лет назад

      Triston, you are a cretin .

    • @jensenlukematar
      @jensenlukematar 6 лет назад +1

      Tristan Turne He cannot take testosterone to exceed male range therefore, any other player's levels would match his. There is no advantage.

  • @kj22697
    @kj22697 7 лет назад +11

    No steroids, No Trans

  • @dannyd1098
    @dannyd1098 4 года назад +4

    she's still a biological woman

  • @johndixon2423
    @johndixon2423 5 лет назад +2

    NWO

  • @Aizenburton
    @Aizenburton 7 лет назад +11

    Pat won't get past the trials among the real men anyway. Testosterone or not. Some Cuban American kid will out class it.

  • @bobbycaldwell9460
    @bobbycaldwell9460 5 лет назад +1

    Has he had any success in fighting men? This is the first time I've seen a female-male athlete. I wish the drugs weren't necessary. It's left him with considerable facial scars. I think this might be a dead end for the story, but I'll still follow it.

    • @tyrone05
      @tyrone05 5 лет назад

      Pat had 1 victory, BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT the fighter Pat fought lost every single fight he has ever fought. And i watched the fight and look to me that he might have held back until the end

    • @mikemendez3778
      @mikemendez3778 5 лет назад +1

      Lol i doubt this chick has a chance

  • @RikuBielfelt
    @RikuBielfelt 6 лет назад +2

    Being labeled a woman?? No no, its not a label like some social trend, its male female science like it always has been. I hope this guy gets the help he needs

    • @RikuBielfelt
      @RikuBielfelt 6 лет назад

      Girl xD guy - FEMALE! boom finally - this female

    • @readynow12345
      @readynow12345 6 лет назад +1

      I think you meant she.

  • @armandocasas2231
    @armandocasas2231 2 года назад +1

    ¿Promise? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • @BoriPR82
    @BoriPR82 4 года назад

    Step in the ring with Devon haney and let's see if you a man.

  • @saswatikar7796
    @saswatikar7796 7 лет назад +15

    respect uhh sir.. salute to u

  • @chrisclayton2907
    @chrisclayton2907 Год назад

    Must be a fan of million dollar baby

  • @sophisticatedcaveman3275
    @sophisticatedcaveman3275 3 года назад

    Hmmm i think every boxer should know before they box her its only fair to the athlete and also the sport. They should be able to decide if they want to box her or not.

  • @808waimanalo
    @808waimanalo 7 лет назад +15

    A girl wanting to compete with the men? I don't see the gripe. Men transitioning into a girl, and competing? Nope. That's ethically wrong

    • @alexxander966
      @alexxander966 7 лет назад +8

      KUUIPO GRACE when a trans woman is on hormones, they also take testosterone blockers. They lose muscle weight. Their body becomes softer in general. They have no advantage over the other females. Except maybe a height advantage.

    • @808waimanalo
      @808waimanalo 7 лет назад +4

      Siha Kalahira MAY lose muscle mass. The fat "she" will produce henceforth from hormones will distribute in the female pattern. If they stop taking testosterone, they MAY lose muscle gradually. They will still have the benefit of bone density since hormones will not affect their skeletal structure(which can also play a HUGE part in competition). Not to mention if they haven't been snipped, they will still be producing test. The hormone therapy will only bring them down to the levels that the governing body, commission, Olympic counsel will recognize as being low enough to be considered female.

    • @808waimanalo
      @808waimanalo 7 лет назад +5

      Taniwha B I know. So my point still stands. A woman who transitions to compete as a man, I commend her. For the male transitioning to female however I have to disagree. The playing field will never truly be even no matter how much hormone blockers you take.

    • @sneesus98
      @sneesus98 6 лет назад +3

      Siha Kalahira they absolutely have and advantage. Just look at the size of a man's hand compared to a womans. How can you make a statement like that

    • @LilacDaisy2
      @LilacDaisy2 5 лет назад +1

      @@alexxander966 Do the female hormones also reduce skeletal structure and height? It is the worst misogyny for men to tell women that men should be allowed in female-only spaces "if they ..."

  • @toksy-yt
    @toksy-yt 5 месяцев назад +1

    😂😂😂😂

  • @vmbo
    @vmbo 7 лет назад +3

    Besides being unfair, doesn't this create really awkward situations? Like seeing some man putting hands on a transgender n or a woman getting punched by a male who had hormone therapy? It's not pretty.

    • @butterflykisses2552
      @butterflykisses2552 6 лет назад

      vmbo And yet Fallon Fox was beaten by a biological.woman OMG how did that happen?? That's impossible!

    • @jensenlukematar
      @jensenlukematar 6 лет назад +3

      vmbo This is simply a man fighting a man. His testosterone levels are in normal male range.

    • @honchokzeetv1569
      @honchokzeetv1569 3 года назад

      It’s the fact you wouldn’t have known he was transgender if it wasn’t said 😹 and how is it unfair when he is on hormone replacement therapy that levels out to the average man

  • @thedrenkemp124
    @thedrenkemp124 6 лет назад +4

    Bruh I tell y’all god going to destroy this whole world

    • @shawnclark5333
      @shawnclark5333 6 лет назад

      He should... Your grammar is atrocious.

  • @ZackClyneers
    @ZackClyneers 7 лет назад +1

    But it's ok you can do it.

  • @PuicyBuilt
    @PuicyBuilt Месяц назад

    Dam freak

  • @titaniumborn8779
    @titaniumborn8779 6 лет назад +1

    Now ppl think they are rocks or animals foh

  • @PaulaTicks
    @PaulaTicks 5 лет назад

    I do not believe in trans athletes competing in opposite gender sports but she seems like a great person. Glad she's happy.

  • @FREEDOM-qb8db
    @FREEDOM-qb8db 5 лет назад +1

    I think this is GREAT! I think "Trans-Women" should enter every single women's athletic competition in the country. From High School track and field to Women's Professional Boxing and Women's Soccer and Women's power lifting. Have at it Trans-Women, you should be allowed to compete as a woman in every way. Good way to bring more media attention to your cause also. And don't forget, you would be shoe-in's for College scholarships!

    • @kekayaan6337
      @kekayaan6337 3 года назад +1

      Wrong video bro, this is on transMEN.

  • @clone_101
    @clone_101 7 лет назад +5

    Fith

  • @robjong6966
    @robjong6966 7 лет назад +3

    So lets see who wins, a man or a woman on steroids. Honestly, my money is on men still winning but anything can happen in boxing.

    • @jensenlukematar
      @jensenlukematar 6 лет назад +1

      Rob Jong His testosterone levels are in perfect male range so, there is no advantage either way. He's just a man fighting other men.

    • @srihari5405
      @srihari5405 6 лет назад +2

      Jensen Luke That is what we call a woman on roids.

    • @readynow12345
      @readynow12345 6 лет назад

      Do you even have a GED perfect male range idiot lol.

    • @WadeAlma
      @WadeAlma 5 лет назад

      Won't matter. A real man with the same training will always win.

  • @no-bozos
    @no-bozos 6 лет назад +2

    How is it that this woman can pump hormones and testosterone (banned substances in boxing) into her body and still be allowed to box?

    • @readynow12345
      @readynow12345 6 лет назад

      Dude it's not gotten there yet & I doubt it ever will.

    • @WadeAlma
      @WadeAlma 5 лет назад

      Cause they will still get destroyed. That is a woman's body fighting a man. No chance.

    • @kekayaan6337
      @kekayaan6337 3 года назад

      if u mean doping, it’s 2 different substances, steroids is anabolic(muscle building)while HRT is androgenic(develop male characteristics). And they only take the same level as biological men. So I don’t understand your logic.

  • @RikuBielfelt
    @RikuBielfelt 6 лет назад +1

    Also to all of you talking about "haters" remember that truth and hate are not the same just because you want an excuse for this to be ok....

  • @hdugtkaodjgkf2247
    @hdugtkaodjgkf2247 7 лет назад +20

    yo, what is that?

  • @matiasampuero4711
    @matiasampuero4711 6 лет назад +2

    but he is a woman!!

  • @Teddy-iw6yb
    @Teddy-iw6yb 7 лет назад

    wowwww

  • @tottenhamhotspurish
    @tottenhamhotspurish 2 года назад

    At least he “he” boxes up and not down.

  • @ZackClyneers
    @ZackClyneers 7 лет назад

    I think I know why he's a trans man. I feel and see his experience that maybe it's his muscles. whatever he's gaining in the body is probably developing his experience by force and strike. That the truth on how women is made is like feeling and seeing like there's some fat on or in the body. So because he grew a lot stronger, he now became man its like changer you body by muscles.

  • @culchy1971
    @culchy1971 5 лет назад

    I'm ok for her to compete in the male division as long as she's not getting performance enhancers however she is

    • @chickenfriedwaffles
      @chickenfriedwaffles 7 месяцев назад

      HE is not. HE is taking T to get to the average level of men.

  • @mr.stranger4951
    @mr.stranger4951 5 лет назад

    That's one ruff looking lady! After she gets ko'd a few times in the pro league then she'll snap out of it!

  • @AnimalKaiser389
    @AnimalKaiser389 7 лет назад +1

    .

  • @chloewhittington326
    @chloewhittington326 7 лет назад

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