I nearly spit out my tea when you said you framed the letter about someone’s complaint of you, I laughed so hard. That is so funny and cool, Dr. Honda. 😂
Yes, that made me smile too. He had the most balanced take on that case, the fact that both sides came to the table with such preset biases is not surprising me but it’s still disappointing
No, he's a terrible shrink. This whole video was him making claims he could not justify and putting words in someone's mouth. He called jbp terrible things and was incapable of providing a single example. This guy is not a psychologist he is an activist.
This comment section is depressing and gross. Dr. Honda, I support you. Your expertise, experience in your field, compassion and critical reasoning around these topics make you an exceptional content creator, professor and therapist.
Dr. Honda: "Just trying to be in his shoes" Dr Honda about to get on an all meat carnivore diet, start taking benzos and start tweeting 200 times a day about woke culture and Hunter Biden's laptop.
@@ania5038 good one. Clever. I am taken aback. However, Dr. Peterson said he did not know they were addictive. I do not know if he knows about caffeine, maybe. I hope he is careful about it.
I got in huge fights with my ex about calling anyone a doctor. He thought only MDs could be called doctors and refused to understand that the term doctor comes from a doctorate education. His family was full of MDs but that sure didn't make him smart.
Back in 2017, I got my doctorate in Anthropology. The previous year, I was talking to my grandmother and she asked why I was still going to school, and I told her "I am going to be a doctor, grandma. I am almost there." I was expecting her to be brimming with pride that her grandson is going to have a doctorate. Instead, her response was, "Yeah... but not a real doctor." It was a bit disappointing but it is what it is. This idea that only MD's are real doctors is pretty common. Thats why even after I got my doctorate, I never put my title on anything unless its in a strictly professional capacity. It does suck though because I am really proud of my degrees. I put in an unimaginable amount of work to get there, so I would love to proudly use my title. But in a sort of anti-intellectual world we currently live in, its better for me to sort of hide my education. Fortunately, this seems to be a largely uniquely American thing. I work a lot in other countries, and there, education is valued more and I get to feel that little bit of pride by being called doctor, as its considered rude to not use a person's title.
I was just watching Housewives of Potomac last night, and believe it or not, this very subject came up. One of the women, Dr. Wendy Osefo is a PhD. There is a new woman who joined the cast, and for some reason the way she and another woman were speaking was like a PhD isn't a doctor. I'm thinking, are they really trying to downplay the fact this woman is a PhD? Have they never heard of a doctorate? Such an odd stance to take 🤔
Remember that here in Canada, we don’t have free speech in the same way: we have limits against hate speech for protected identities under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Transphobia by a professional on an ongoing basis is unacceptable. I am a teacher - and if I said the same things, I should and would lose my license from the Ontario College of Teachers.
Something important to note: Jordan keeps representing the issue as if its about his political criticisms. But if you look up "Jordan peterson college of psychologists" on google, the first hit is the document with the tweets in question. None of them are political lol. Its just him being an unprofessional fool online and embarrasing his profession.
I got so much value watching the Depp vs. Herd trial with Dr. Honda, but it's sickening the way people treated him. Death threats for not taking sides on an issue he never witnessed or got involved in. It's so illogical. Ill never forget how i was having lunch with friends at this hibachi place, and there was an Amber terd tip jar at the registers with a poop emoji. I may not be a Amber Heard supporter, but I just thought that was such bad taste for a place of business. People just really took it way too far, IMO. As for Jordan Peterson, I really don't know anything about him but I have been folling the Ruby Franke story a bit and whats come of light about Jodi Hildebrandt who also got her liscense taken away and its just YIKES I cant even explain my feelings about this kind of thing. As a grad student of counseling and psychology I'm just so confused/flabbergasted/disappointed that these people somehow make it through the grueling process of school, education, trainings, hours of experience and pass the exams issued by their governing body,and actually get liscened in the first place, and then go out and harm others on both micro and macro levels. Its like I have to work really hard and somehow these people skate right by.
I agree about the tip jar, I'm fully in Depps side but it's inappropriate for a business to do that. Also, if you're a restaurant I'd think you'd want to keep poop references to zero when people eat.
In my country, the institute where a man who almost finished his MD education, was warned that he was an animal abuser. The institute was advised not to give him his licence. His reaction was to kill the neighbours who reported the animal abuse, and one of his teachers. This happened 2 days ago. Unfortunately psychopaths can be intelligent.
I find the complaint funny. Once my mom was talking to a few doctors, my mom being a nurse (RN) and DrPH. A lady (family member) came up to everyone in the circle talking and said, she isn't a doctor like you all. Everyone turned to look at her and one guy asked for her to leave the conversation. Some people are not educated and find the need to put down others for no reason other than to be mean.
Actually, one of the doctors signaled to her husband to come take her somewhere else to talk. She was pretty embarrassed to say the least.@@MsJeanneMarie
Some people have this crude sense of humor. They're trying to be snarky and sarcastic, but they aren't actually funny and don't know how to read a room. I had a family member do this to her own daughter when she got her law degree. Her mom was trying to downplay her at her graduation banquet. Everyone just looked like, 'What are you doing?' People like that just don't even get that no one thinks it's funny
It's ridiculous that Peterson can't see the legitimate concerns about his behaviour. The Twitter trolling is highly unprofessional and problematic. He NEEDS to be more sensitive on social media.
Oh I'm sure he sees them, chances are he just doesn't care at all. Why abide by a moral code when you could be gathering more shiny dubloons from your gullible audience?
I lost my brother (figuratively) to the cult of Jordan Peterson. His philosophies have the surface layer appearance of self building and endurance of character but there’s just too much straw-manning of women and “liberals”. If you can only build your character by tearing other down, than you end up alone; much like my brother. Since following down the alt-right pipeline he has alienated himself from most of the family. Even the male members of my family are sick of hearing him. It sucks. I miss him, but it feels like he joined a cult who teaches him that if I reach out to him I’m just trying to manipulate him. So I let it rest for the time being. As a Canadian, and woman, and avid follower/patreon I’m SO glad you are covering this.
I'm a straight woman and pretty sure men are more obsessed with alpha men than women are. Actually when they think alpha means behaving in abusive ways, women don't tend to like those men at all.
@@raspberrykissable so what?! it was relevant to her comment, there is a reason that a woman mentioning her sexulity bothered you so much! find that reason.
As a retired probation officer i found his popularity to be really alarming. His attitudes towards certain groups of people, women, ethnic minorities etc are ones that were common with my offenders, in particular those that committed hate crimes, sexual assault and domestic abuse. I've noticed that some of the young men who follow JP go down the far right rabbit hole, becoming more misogynistic, angrier and more depressed. It's worrying. I've heard him misinterpret research, claim that research doesn't exist when it does and claim that racism doesn't exist because his black friend told him that. He's anti muslim, anti lgbtq. Most of the time he looks like he's drunk or on something or he's crying. At the very least he needs media training. He seems like an incredibly unhappy person.
These views do not represent JP at all. I don’t understand where you get this from. I have never heard those statements come out of this mouth or perhaps it is your interpretation of what he talks about.
I disagree with some of what you’ve said about JP. You could be right about the trajectory of the young men Who follow him. He does seem quite unhappy. He Often looks to the contrary position. Makes him popular but alas, this is not a recipe for happiness 😊
A few years ago Peterson was addicted to benzos and went to Russia to be put in a chemically induced coma to get through the withdrawals. He hasn’t been the same since, I think he suffered some pretty severe brain damage.
It would be nice if you shared your evidence or resource about such a treatment Peterson went through. Did he disclose this himself on a video? Without some kind of proof it’s just gossip or speculation. I’m reluctant to believe it. Not that I’m a fan of his, I’m not. But when people make such claims they should include the resource for proof. You could ruin a person making such claims. You could also get sued for defamation.
@@dreamzofhorses when he went to Russia his daughter posted about it, she said he couldn’t take the physical effects of withdrawals and after the coma he was unable to move and walk normally for a couple months. They were worried he wouldn’t be able to move and talk normally again. It looks like he and his daughter also uploaded a video from Serbia a couple months after the coma where they go into the details.
@@dreamzofhorseshis family LITERALLY REPORTED it. So Jordan Peterson is not going to sue anyone (especially in this comment section) for reporting this easily provable fact that they themselves have affirmed to be true.
I should never read the comments beneath a JP video. The hoops that these people have to jump through to support him/to refuse he's a problematic person are numerous. It alarming, frankly.
Most people like him because he's provided a lot of free educational content that allows people to use their own mind expand their intelligence and think deeply about topics. This society doesn't want independent thinkers, which I can tell by your comment you don't think deeply about stuff - and that is okay, most people are surface level -but for those that do, we value people like him.
@@Bec_love I "don't think deeply about stuff" because I don't like a specific person you like. Great insight - you definitely sound like someone that is open to learning the perspective of others. Generally, assumptions mean you're not trying too hard to think about things. But that's okay.
@@Bec_love People like him because they're insecure with themselves and he teaches them not to take accountability, but to put the blame on other groups for their problems (trans, immigrants, the blacks!!, modern feminsts/sjw, etc.).
It would be interesting to hear your analysis on the health issues Jordan Peterson developed after stopping Xanax. He was fully disabled for over a year, and I don't think he's mentally fully recovered from it. I now find him to be far more impulsive and prone to calling people names. The Twitter trolling is out of control, and everything seems to have gone to his head in the worst kind of way since that event occured.
Imagine having half the world hate you, calling you racist, transphobic, trying to get you fired Etc, while your wife and daughter are both deathly ill. Who would handle that well?
@@HaleyStark.He's bringing that all on himself. Everything he's being called, he deserves. Even if he's not fully transphobic, he's saying things that give people a good reason to think he's transphobic. Like the shit he says about Elliot Page and calling his doctor a criminal. I'll use an analogy. Someone who might not necessarily be a pdf file, going on the internet and saying that the age of consent should be 14. Doesn't necessarily mean the person is literally attracted to minors, but they deserve all the backlash they get from openly saying something disgusting on the internet.
As a Canadian, I was SHOCKED to learn he was still teaching at uoft as recently as he was. His rise in popularity is quite scary... Canadians say we are nothing like America in terms of isms, but we are right on par..
I think the difference is that we don't talk openly about it in the same way that it's talked about in America, for the most part. Perhaps because people are very comfortable pointing to America as a scapegoat to get out of deeper conversations about our isms and problem. (Also we have a significantly smaller population so the magnitude of the issue is inherently less)
It’s become a lot ‘louder’ here in the last few years I’ve found. I recently left Toronto for Victoria bc, the last local election we had a group here called ‘viva’ which was basically a ppc offshoot trying to take over local government, that’s happening all over Canada. I think the trucker movement made it ‘louder. It’s gross.
Jordy forgets in Canada we have hate speech laws. He’s just a walking contradiction himself. As a Canadian I apologies for the Peterson family they are the worst.
I took a look at the Canadian code of ethics for clinical psychologists. There seems to be multiple areas where Petersons behavior online seems to violate what he agreed to uphold simply by being a licensed professional. If he has an issue with the code of ethics, that’s one thing- but to make a huge stink about having violated a code that you agreed to uphold…seems woefully immature to me- especially as a licensed provider myself.
It's kind of shocking how much of his behavior the college is willing to put up with before taking disciplinary action. I have very little faith in the social media training as a tool to change his behavior.
I used to have a Twitter account and trust me, he's not even in the top 10% of deranged professors. It's actually horrifying when you see how many professors seem almost possessed.
u fr???? they litrally lisened to twitter troles and said "aight im a communist now" the fact it wasnt even his clients that complained but rather ppl that dont like his politics sais it all lmao
So ironic for Jordan Peterson to call anyone a self-righteous moralizing thing... Projection much? That's HIS whole thing. Does Jordan Peterson have his own psychologist? He needs one, because he makes the whole field look bad. There has to be some standards, or else he makes psychologists in general look like overemotional unstable cranks like he is.
LOL! You both must not be Canadians. Because if you were you’d know everything he’s fighting for - this is a tiny sliver with little context. Did you know that under the criminal code it is now ILLEGAL for someone to misgender an individual here? Do you know that our economy has plummeted and yet our government is FUNDING “drag queen summer camps” for children 7 years old and up? I wish I was kidding. You need to see the bigger picture of what’s going on here - our prime minister is leaning towards communism, he’s even boasted about how much he admires countries who are communist, and then he does this. This is all part of what he’s fighting for.
Peterson thinks that he can say whatever without checks and balances Hilariously he sued a university over being likened to Hitler Cosmic irony and karma are both laughing 😂
so many people seem to forget that medical professionals have to uphold certain standards and that it isn’t actually unreasonable at all to revoke a license when a medical professional does not meet those standards. medical professionals take an oath that they are required to uphold. they also must regularly reapply for their certifications/licenses. that’s how it is in the medical field. anyone opposed to meeting those standards and upholding their oaths should not be in this field. end of story. edit: glad i’m not the only person who refused to take sides during the depp/heard trial. i felt that it wasn’t my place as an outside party who never witnessed any of the incidents.
Dr Honda, I don't understand how having an opposing opinion to others is considered harmful to some people and unsafe and bigoted.Even if he is a clinician, he has a right to freely express his thoughts, because quoting him " In order to think you have to risk being offensive". And all this was an attempt to censor him. It was an attack on free speech itself. Already, clinicians can no longer question when a person thinks they have gender dysphoria. All they HAVE TO DO is affirm it. That is completely opposing to standards of healthcare, if doctors are obligated to take the words of the patient as a fact rather than investigating it first. It wpuld be like if I think I have a heart condition, surgeons operating on me without confirming any diagnosis, just based on my words. Complying with everything leads to this.
I watched some of your videos on the Depp/Heard trial and I found them very educational especially in terms of the forensic psychologist assessments and the conceptualisation of relational dynamics including.
I agree with Dr Honda totally, as someone that is studying medicine when you are part of a profession that is govern by certain bodies and the Medical College of my country there are certain standards that have to be uphold. As a person you can have as many opinions and views as you want but when you are putting your views out there and you are using your profession as part of affirming those views do not be surprised that the licensing body of said profession is going to call you into question if what you say is considered controversial. I was rather neutral on Peterson and I got to watch some of his lectures but apparently he has gotten a lot more extreme and, like Dr Honda said, this is only going to add fuel to the fire of his martyrdom.
"when you are putting your views out there and you are using your profession as part of affirming those views do not be surprised that the licensing body of said profession is going to call you into question if what you say is considered controversial." Isn't that excatly what Dr Honda is doing? Or is it okay for Dr Honda because his views are not controversial?
@@nessmiaou3424 I think the difference here is the way this are handled, Dr Honda said himself in the video how he might approach the situation. In the end I think it also has to do with ego, you can be the most expert clinician but if you fucked up you did, don't expect everyone to just kiss the ground you walk. If the College of Psychologist thinks that Peterson is violating some of their standards, they have a right to call him into question; otherwise just don't be a member. What Peterson has to do is fight back the right way, not go on the internet and rant about how he is not going to let a judge tell him what to do. If anything it just solidifies the point of those that are against him.
I don't think he's a bigot. I think he has genuine compassion if you listen to his talks and interviews. I agree his tone and demeanor is a little harsh at times but what he says makes sense to me anyways not that my opinion matters. I see your points as well.
@@yadusolparterre How was confirming that College of Psychologists of Ontario is the licensing body for the field the same as saying "blindly follow them"? If I say "The Arizona Board of Psychologists Examiners is the licensing body for Arizona", it's a completely nuetral statement about who is in charge of licensing for the territory. It never meant anything more than that.
I've watched lots of Peterson's lectures, listened to some of his podcasts and I've read 12 Rules for Life. I also love Dr. Honda and I watch this channel daily. I enjoyed this video and I'm looking forward for the next ones. I don't understand much about these regulations, but I tend to think that the government shouldn't have that much say on his licence because of social media. Maybe if the complaint came from a client, and depending on the complaint. I also want to say that for years Peterson has said that he's against the government regulating speech. I think the whole situation has to do mainly with this. Plus he's always been strongly against this type of mandatory training, I don't think it has to do with power. Maybe complying would be simpler, but it would be against his beliefs.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I appreciate that. The issue is this. He has a government-issued license to practice as a clinician - to treat ALL people in Canada, not just some people. The standard of care within mental health is to not discriminate and to follow the science which recognizes the reality of trans people and the perils of body shaming. The licensing agency is the only barrier between potentially harmful clinicians and the public. That agency stated that he is absolutely free to express his point of view, but he cannot make social media posts that alienate or harm his past, present, or future clients, who could be trans, plus-sized, or otherwise. And thus, he needs a little bit of training to learn how to refrain from making those few posts (out of thousands) that are problematic. That's it. Just a simple training - the sort that we clinicians take every month.
@@PsychologyInSeattle actually, in Canada our regulatory boards are independently run. The government gives them authority through legislation, and some professions have more than one college they can choose to be a part of, depending on the province. As a counsellor I have to be part of a professional association as well as a regulatory college to practice and the ethical standards of both are quite high. At least that’s my understanding. It’s pretty complicated, legislation wise.
I thought your delivery regarding the psychology around the Heard/Depp trial was very professional and thoughtful. Dr. Shannon was awesome too. BPD is very destructive untreated. And I really hoped people took something away, an interest, an awareness regarding psychology and very real and present psychopathy. There are many good resources out there (including yours) that people can make a conscious decision to extend their learning. Better understanding of social interactions…behaviours that might inform and equip people better in the current social and political environment (independent, critical thinking with a healthy dose of skepticism).
@@ania5038 I’m not sure that the author/hosts viewpoint specifically stated that Jordan Peterson SHOULD loose his license because he was personally opposed to trans-gender. He spoke directly to the ethics and conduct that would become a part of the disciplinary process. Members whom are part of professions of trust to the care of others have a responsibility and an obligation -- and or fully aware of the consequences of such (OVERT) violations. Particularly conducting such behaviour on the steps of the university, openly violating those he was entrusted to be a mentor (of some kind) to. Those same students are in fact, the clients. You think you can take a job at Burger King, and then stand at the front door (while employed), screaming at the clients about how YOU think the special sauce is the wrong colour. Come on, man! Your ass would be canned in two seconds, if not the cops called to drag your sorry ass off. But, the University, despite sending him warning letters to cease his activities, never actually fired him. He can thank his membership in a professional organized (union) for that. The very protections he has in Canada (union), that he rails against politically. What a hypocrite! Good Lord. He doesn’t care about any of it, or anyone but himself. His means have been served, and undoubtedly, he’s going to continue to exploit it for all it’s worth$$$. End Stop. Now there’s a case study worth psychological analysis. I all in.
@@ania5038 and PS, I am very aware that all people are capable of abuse, not just psychological, but physical to. I would say the person who said women only abuse in lesbian relationships is just incompetent. Pandering political ideology and rhetoric (in a learning curriculum) under the guise of psychology is another matter entirely. Not to mention all the toxic discrimination he continuously rages on about. The Rage within ALONE should be a red flag if your indeed a student of psychology.
Dr Honda, you are always very calming, I appreciate that. Your commentary of the Depp V Heard trial was very balanced. I watched the entire trial and was pro Depp. But listening to your expertise on Heards issues helped me to be more balanced and understanding of the situation.
I had no idea that Jordan P had this aggro, anti-LGBTQ side to his persona. The comments I’ve seen from him before were far more moderate (like he clearly doesn’t believe gender is fluid but he was talking in a respectful manner) and less offensive…. Yikes. I never liked the guy but I actively dislike him after seeing him spew this kinda hateful rhetoric.
I think in the past, he's been more careful to couch or talk around his anti-LGBTQ opinions. He did rise to prominence over refusing to respect people's pronouns. I think in his increased approval and platforming by the right (and maybe his personal problems?), he's gotten more and more comfortable being more explicit about these things.
@@PinkCatsyAhhhh, so being anti woke is how he got his initial popularity? I thought it was more from his motivational speaking. That’s good to know, thank you. Sounds like he’s escalating and making his views more overt overtime.
@@andedomhe's a narcissist, you tell him no and he'll keep going to self destruction He absolutely could be in a position to hurt people and that's a risk any respectable body won't risk. One man goes rogue, pedals snake oil sales and curing autism (give him time) there's going to be calls to unseat his superiority complex
His badge of honor is getting into heated discussion with undergrads who are inexpeienced and have not made up their minds. I don't see any difference between him and Jordan Klepper trolling MAGAs for thier incompetence. Both are targeting the most vulnerable for their own fame.
I ignored the heard v depp series because the obsession on SM overall made me uncomfortable. I ignored 95% of the SM commentary. I'm sorry you went through that Dr Honda
Savy Writes Books satirically uses JP's "Up Yours, Woke Moralists! We'll See Who Cancels Who" as part of her current intro. I thought it was so ridiculous it was funny, it's like someone's Grandpa trying to insult people without actually getting "how the kids talk". But reading Pageboy and finding out how attacked Elliot Page felt that it was part of a screed directed solely at him (I hadn't known that it was), AND Elliot's somewhat abusive Dad liking that comment and not even talking to his son just furthered the family disconnect. It gave me a more sobering perspective on people like JP using their education and voice of authority to just be hateful. I feel sorry for all of his clients and those he's hurt, and I hope there's a point where he can't hurt anyone anymore. Thanks for the video! I'm sure you have enough ideas right now, but Jodi Hildebrandt (therapist of the recent child abuse case in Utah) and her approach to therapy would be an interesting and timely topic, too. She uses "distortion" and other concepts in a much different way than you've used it, and it would be interesting to hear an educated professional point out where her ideas go off-road (everywhere, probably everywhere).
A lot of the videos aren't available online anymore, but Rachel Oates' video on the topic has a lot of videos about Jodi's ideas (ex. kids don't need privacy at all, even in bathrooms, from the moment they're born babies have agency and can manipulate you, etc.) I understand if you don't dive into this, but if you do, there are a lot of "informative" clips there to react to.
As far as Peterson goes -- I mean, this is the part I DO understand... that there are not clear guidelines on social media use and who is a social media use expert who is also an expert in licensed clinical practice guidelines? I'd want to know who is that expert and what their credential are to actually train on that, and that is a valid criticism and question. HOWEVER, as I think most of us who have worked as professionals know -- there have always been standards and regulations about how we can behave towards the public -- and although social media is new, TV isn't new, radio isn't new, and getting caught on tape though rarer in the past isn't new, or being recorded or having letter exchanges or emails even isn't that new. And so as members of the public we are 100% free. But as professionals with licenses or any accreditations, we have ALWAYS been restricted by professional guidelines. As a preface, I hold NONE OF THESE VIEWS but have the right to have them without any goverment entity intervening: I am free to join westboro and picket funerals with hate speech on those signs. I am free to use racial slurs and homophobic and transphobic slurs as much as I want as a citizen. I am free to join eugenics groups against disability and hold the opinion that people with disabilities should be sterilized or shouldn't be allowed to have medical care and let Darwinism win if I just express those opinions. And if I did any of these publicly I could easily lose every accreditation or license I ever held. And I feel pretty comfortable saying that I would be surprised if any of his licenses or accreditations are anything he actually uses or requires for what he's currently doing. He honestly probably just keeps it up so that he can pretend to have legitimacy and be performative with these acts. Licensing is only required for working with people as a professional, in a legitimate professional practice following those guidelines, OR teaching or training future professionals in accredited programs. He resigned from his last legit teaching job over 2 years ago, and I don't know when he stopped clinical practice, but it's not listed as his current occupation. He works as a content creator, and for the Daily Wire, and is chancellor of Ralston which is a bogus unaccredited "university". About as useful as a degree from Trump U -- and I'm fine with whatever people want to pay for or believe, you're free to get an unaccredited degree from both Trump and Ralston and hey go for PragerU while you're at it -- but the point is that Jordan Peterson does not require any licenses or accreditations to be a chancellor of a scambait college, nor to be a content creator, podcaster, or to write books, or to do any of the things that have made him a super popular multi-millionaire. I also feel fairly comfortable speculating that the biggest reason that he is putting up the fight of his life against this horrible oppressive regime in Canada that is trying to force him to take a class on social media like "fascists" and not just letting his license lapse is because the longer he draws out this legal fight and paints their judges and government and accrediting and licensing bodies as fascists, the more clicks and even donations he's going to get from uneducated Americans and Canadians and others who don't know that as this is happening he's only making more and more money fighting the government "for his livelihood" over a license he hasn't used probably in years, or at best he stopped needing 2 years ago when he resigned from an accredited university.
I'm always tempted to roast him mercilessly, but I also know it's cruel - he seems to be literally brain damaged from his past substance issues and shady medical treatment.
I felt bad once for him when he cried while talking about lonely men who are asking for help. A lot of people online made fun of him of that, but come on, we can't just apply harmful stereotypes about men only to people we don't like. Showing emotions should be normal
@@Charlotte8591 He has always had a big ego, and he has been problematic for a long time, but he also has changed noticeably since he got back from treatment in Russia
Humiliation and shame. I was born intersex 55 years ago inside Tennessee raised female. Wrong decision by doctor raised in Christian family and Christian school. I was always very masculine whipped by teachers, bullied by kids and shunned parents for not exhibiting feminine behavior. In my 20's conversion therapy was offered first. I finally sought out a psychologist and still had to pass through Harry Benjamin Standards of Care over two years signed off by PhD's. Physicians inside Tennessee had to verify I was intersex for the state to amend my birth certificate to male. I have lived a male life almost 30 years now with birth certificate amended so I could have correct identification for drivers license, work and a passport. Someone inside Tennessee recognized me and caught me out alone. The pastor said "People around here don't like it when you change your sex. When born, the doctor made the decision but you changed it." I finally saw a gender affirmative therapist and got a trans related PTSD diagnosis. Affirmative meant they didn't caste blame back on me like the pastor or religious psychiatrist I saw first. Jordan Peterson representing licensed psychologists links up with Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh to condemn with moral judgements someone like me serving as a healthcare provider in Stealth. Mr. Peterson whines and cries a lot with a persecution complex he brought on himself. The pastor said I brought this on myself. God chose how I was born. Before his illness Mr. Peterson asked himself the question "Do I have the right to be questioning gender?" No he doesn't because it isn't him or anyone in his family. He is supposed to be someone a human being who might be trans could trust because his license represents a profession. He didn't know Eliot Page to make a hateful comment calling their surgery mutilation and the surgeon a butcher. Narcissism with new found belief in an Old Testament god full of judgement and condemnation. He once used Disney characters for his lectures but they are too woke now so he switched to Old Testament Bible Stories. His new schtick about narrative is repackaged Joe Campbell. Tennessee law voided my amended birth certificate back to original birth sex last summer. Sad Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson with a license to practice working for The Daily Wire in Tennessee ensured I can't return back there to care for my 80 year old Veteran dad since the PTSD diagnosis. Dangerous to live in Tennessee.
The comments indicate that I'm reaching that audience, so my hope is to provide them with some nuance. They can like him, but without the ability question your leader, then you're in a cult.
Being interested in much of JP's work, I consider KH's point that had he not been famous, there's the possibility that JP might have responded differently the social media training - perhaps more openly. Interesting video as it in my opinion brings up the ongoing thoughts and responses regarding self-disclosure in the therapeutic professions. Thank you!
Wonderful news! ❤ Very happy to see you covering this situation, hopefully, all the hateful comments are not going to discourage you from sharing your opinion
Thanks. But the comments are obviously coming from the cult of gender, so it doesn't get to me. I see these individuals as having been cruelly indoctrinated by our weird culture, and then attacked for adhering to that culture, and then seeking a charismatic leader to save them. I don't blame them. I blame the original indoctrination.
I think a confused and insecure person who grew up in a conservative household might would. Maybe they would hope JP could help them with their "problem" and "heal" them, because "they're not normal". I mean there's a lot of people fighting who they are their whole life. I find this thought devastating.
Dr. Honda I’m a long time follower and supporter of your channel however I am very disappointed in this. I think that if you’re going to go over reports on Jordan Peterson you should ALSO review what he says straight out of his mouth.
I don’t understand how Jordan is surprised about this when he goes around spewing unscientific hate speech. Like, yeah your license is going to be in jeopardy because of your actions.
At the very least, J.P. is setting a terrible example for his students/patients/followers when it comes to communication. He seems to be angry all the time. It's all about being right and someone else is wrong. That's very unhealthy and gets you nowhere.
I always agree with your views Dr., but I also find that saying things like “religion is magical thinking” is being biased and potential harming to clients who identify as religious, only because it’s not supported by science. I’m appalled by Jordan’s statements, but we should be fair for both sides.
II appreciate your thoughts Dr Kirk. However, I think the issue of transgender identity has become a lot more complex in recent years, and I wonder if the science quite reflects that. While perhaps 10 years ago, gender affirming care would have made perfect sense for the handful of transgender persons who needed to transition, most of whom were typically in their 40's, this is no longer the case. The huge uptick in gender reassignment surgery, particularly in teenage girls, points to something else going on, and the backlash in Europe, with many gender reassignment clinics being shut down (being sued left right and centre because such surgeries are incredibly complex and mean a lifetime of medical care that nobody really warns them about, because they receive affirming care), is telling. While I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson's delivery on social media, as a highly decorated academic (he taught at Harvard for Chrissakes), I don't think he should remain silent about areas of his profession that he deeply disagrees with.
What is your training or experience with transgender people? And why are you trying to cultivate doubts about gender affirming care? Are you trying to claim that the science has somehow changed in the last 10 years? Where's the evidence of THAT? You cannot fight against the medical consensus by just saying *your contrary opinion* about something LOL.
JBP is in no way an expert in trans issues and/ or psychology. He is a run of the mill clinical psychologist with a focus on CBT and interpersonal relationships ( with research done in the area of addiction and the Jungian BS doesn‘t count)
My worst fear is to end up with a therapist who holds his views. Yikes yikes yikes. He is without a doubt dragging down the reputation of psychiatry as a profession. Right behind Jodi Hildebrandt. Please do a deep dive on her 🙏
I can’t believe there was a time when I thought this man was innovative 😩😂😂 how he can’t see he has become unhinged. Reposting pics of plus size women with the caption “no this is not beautiful”, commenting on Elliot page and a slew of other useless tweets that are meant to harm people who have done nothing to him…. The definition of die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.
A bit of context here. Jordan Peterson's comments on gender affirmation are in relation to how it is presented to minors. The laws in Canada have moved in a direction where it gives a lot of power to clinicians to override parental consent. I know people who don't want to have kids because they fear they would have their children taken away from them if they disagree with the clinician. And a child could through their school interact with clinician without parents giving consent upfront in some Provinces.
I hope he stands by his conviction (…being that he will never comply with the order based on his principles) And with THAT, personally and willingly revokes his own license…..but we all know that’s not likely. (Content and victimhood is the name of the game. Not actually getting his own house in order, and/or taking responsibility. He’s a disgrace to the profession, (pandering a political agenda under the banner of psychology (and so called philosophy, which he has proved over and over to be unqualified and inconsistent in his understanding, and worse his projection and propaganda of his extremely biased ideology and rhetoric. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg he FLOATS on. He’s a disgrace to Canada. Would he just move to Florida already
I appreciate your perspective on this, as I’m very conflicted about this case. I’m not a Jordan Peterson fan, and I find a lot of his tweets and opinions extremely bigoted. That being said…..I am interested in where the line is drawn when it comes to a licensed professional talking about their personal beliefs. Peterson definitely seems to cross that line IMO, but I could see other cases that are less clear. For an extreme example, back when homosexuality was in the DSM, could a therapist lose their license for saying they don’t believe homosexuality is a mental disorder since that would go against the scientific consensus at the time?
Yes which is why I do not believe he is crossing the line. His broader point on people sawing off parts of their body as an identity is that children are being sterilized and teens hacking off their breasts in the name of gender identity before their identity and body are finished finished developing. He is trying to bring awareness to a dangerous path we are heading down. He has interviewed a teen who was swept up in this trans agenda and she no longer has breasts and has a deep male voice due to negligent adults. The doctor who removed this teenagers breast still has their license and probably still performing this surgery on teens. Where is the line? As much as doctors are allowed to perform these life altering medical procedures on children Dr. Peterson should be allowed to voice his opinion against this.
The line is only blurry to you because you're intentionally blurring it. You're comparing the actions of someone who is *morally wrong* to the actions of someone who is *morally right*. You should really ask yourself why you're doing that. It's a choice. It would only appear the the same if you don't have a conscience. Are you really not able to integrate the reality that people can be punished for doing both good and bad things? Taking the punishment away from people who do bad things in NO WAY helps protect people from being punished for doing good things. Do you know what actually protects people? Know what right and what's wrong and acting accordingly.
@@jnl3564 Don't attack people for asking good faith questions. Ad Hominem BS like that isn't dismantling an argument, it's trying to shame the person for daring to voice their concerns. @emel3925 That's a difficult question to answer and really the only answer I feel confident about giving is "It's complicated, and not always applied consistently" It's also good to remember that psychology is VERY new still. By the time I took courses, Freud had already been thoroughly debunked and now most of the stuff I learned in school is being reexamined as well. Prejudice can have long lasting effects in any science or social science, and all of these were subjects pioneered by upper-class white men with a lot of education but not a lot of perspective. That bias is in every academic subject (for example, look at all those ancient artifacts that are so clearly dildos that spend decades being classified as religious artifacts b/c straight men couldn't imagine them serving any practical purpose . Psychology is constantly having to reexamine and challenge ideas, and often the line between "radical theorist" and "total nutjob" isn't clearly demarcated, especially when it's still mostly upper class white guys calling the shots. That's probably why despite Peterson doing some clearly unethical things, including spouting ideas that mainstream psychology has already thoroughly debunked, he still kept his license for a loooooong time. Your question is hypothetical, but I have a good example from real history that might answer some of it. Dr. Henry Anonymous was a big spokesperson for the gay rights activism at the start of the 70s, declaring a lot of APA claims were way off base. He acknowledge he was gay and a psychiatrist. However, he only appeared to speak wearing a face mask, baggy clothes that hid his body shape, and a microphone that distorted his voice greatly. He knew the things he was saying could cost his job and maybe even his license thanks to the homophobia of the time, but at the same time he could speak on many of the very real flaws in how the APA was looking at and addressing homosexuality, and how those flaws end up hurting far more than they could ever help (an approach Peterson has sadly gone the opposite route with, ignoring the real experiences of the trans community and repeating claims long after they've been debunked). We now know his name was John Fryer, so he did get credit and could come out later in life. But it's always a risk to go against the mainstream especially if your exposing bigotry, but a GOOD argument can change people's minds eventually, whereas relying on rhetoric to induce fear will only ever be able to close minds. It's really interesting to compare the two (both were addiction specialists originally) and then contrast how different their methods were. Definitely highlights the different between the very real fear some face thanks to misinformation and the work needed to counter it vs the fame and spectacle that will always draw the more ego driven away from putting in the work needed to uphold any of the standards and ethics expected of their career choice.
Okay so these are the questions that come to mind from my point of view. The things Peterson are saying would be offensive to certain clients he would have coming in, but not all therapists can be everything to everyone. I’m not condoning anything he said but even if he didn’t say anything publicly online, he still shouldn’t be the one to treat for example a trans person because I’m almost positive he wouldn’t be the right fit for them. Even if he had never said a word online he still wouldn’t be a good fit for that person, and at least now if they saw the things he posted they would be sure he wasn’t the therapist for them instead of finding out face to face. I think with freedom of speech comes the right for your thoughts to offend others. It’s not pleasant and I don’t want to offend anyone, but in order to have free speech and thought you have to have the right to think things that might offend others. In my opinion not all therapists should be forced to be the same or approach things the same way. What if someone is a Christian and goes to someone who thinks all Christian’s are homophobic and bigots? That probably isn’t the right fit for that client. There should be regulations but not ones that seem to shoehorn people into only being allowed to think or speak in one way. There should be professionalism online but my thought process is, nobody can be everything for everyone and this falls into that category for me. Everyone should have a therapist to go to who will fit their world view and even if I don’t agree with your point of view you should have a place to go. Not all therapists should be the same or think the same because then you’re blocking a large amount of people from receiving care in a way they’re comfortable with. Again not trying to be controversial this is just where I’m coming from trying to see both sides and genuinely want to hear your opinion on this because I respect your opinion and thoughts.
Publically shouting hateful and bigoted speech against minorities is not an "well everyone has their flaws and everyone has a right to their opinion" kind of situation. LOL. This shows a serious flaw in his world view and moral bankruptcy. It's serious.
When I hear a politician saying "strong borders" I don't hear "I'm a racist" I hear national security and State integrity. Organize crime and terrorism are a constant threat and there must be strong surveillance of the borders. The race doesn't matter as long as people use the proper channels to enter the country. I also throw my critics to the internal processing of "Strong borders"..strong also should mean diligent and representative of the good will of the people of the United States...that means the inmigration system should be fair, intelligent, speedy, comfortable and and humane. I don't understand how "strong borders" is directly implying racism.
Not to mention that the current system of weak borders invites human rights abuse at every stage of the process, from trafficking to substandard and illegal work conditions for those that cross illegally.
I feel worried for JP, he is definitely a changed person from a few years back. He is much more angry now and like on the verge of a mental breakdown, but all the time. He reminds me of a close family member who had Bipolar Disorder. I think a complete Social media break is a good idea for my own mental health, and i need these breaks more often.
I’m honestly more worried for the many many people who are hurt by the men who’ve been influenced by Peterson’s cleverly worded misogyny, transphobia, bigotry tbh.
@@user-pq2nv7lt8n loads of people suffer from mental illness and aren’t misogynistic ass holes. Just saying. I think it’s more ideology meeting addict/narcissistic traits.
I think a good lable for the personality trait you were describing about yourself besides flexible would be open minded. Two things many ppl need to become more of.
While I agree that Jordan Peterson has been reckless with his social media postings as of late, I believe he hasn't been a practicing clinician for several years. To him, this is a matter of principle and free speech.
I watch both you and Peterson extensively and respect both. I read twelve rules for life and it’s amazing. Jordan Peterson, at least to my knowledge, is not a hateful person and my gut tells me he’s simply not calling the BS on what he’s being persecuted for. Yes, a lot of people wouldn’t be as open about it on social media. I probably wouldn’t either, but the man has principles and he’s sticking up for them. I can see where both of you are coming from.
Screenshots posted online show the tweet in question from the Canadian clinical psychologist’s account, which reads: “Remember when pride was a sin? And Ellen Page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician”
I liked Jordan Peterson in the past but he seems unhinged these days. In his vernacular- extremely disagreeable, volatile and red in his face with this bizarre rageful grin to the point I would be afraid if I had to interact with him in person and we had a disagreement. It seems he lost a lot of civilized inhibitions and has no problem with ragefully humiliating someone in public over an ideology.
I started listening to his college lectures a few years ago and enjoyed his insights. I thought he was brilliant. Then as he became more political I started to unlike his youtube videos so his content would not be recommended to me.
does he have to accept trans clients? I would imagine he wouldn't sign up to treat them in his practice. Wouldn't it be ethical to just allow him refer those clients to someone else, especially if they are seeking gender-affirming care ? Because it seems as if the science is unclear on whether gender affirming care actually does treat trans people effectively.
He doesn't treat patients anymore, he only wants to keep his license to give authority to his bigoted views. But yeah, sadly, if he does lose it he will do just fine. Look at Dr. Phil.
Theres more to him than a couple of headlines .... maybe have a deep dive of his actual videos... while i dont agree with everything he says, i do think he has some great content and also some that i completely dont agree with and i have the same with you but i dont write you off either ... i take the good from each person and be myself
Kinda sad and scary that there are fans of Dr. Honda who also profess to like JP in the comments. The man is a misogynist and a transphobe. And, he's just a weirdo.
I also love both of them and I don't agree that he is a misogynist at all. As a woman I have found tremendous support in dr Petersons works and it contributed strongly in healing my depression. I also don't think he is a transphobe, but I can see how that may be debatable. I hope dr Honda will review some of dr Petersons own stuff too and not just hearsay from media, because we all know they are more about dramatic effect that actual information. You may still not like him, but I promise you there's more behind him than media shows.
I'm one of those people, I've watched many of Peterson's lectures and I watch Dr. Honda daily. There's no need to agree with everything one or the other says to find value in their content and be helped by them, and feel grateful in return. I don't like Peterson's twitter, but his work has helped me structure my life. I don't agree with most of Dr. Honda's political views, but his work has helped me navigate my relationships.
A question has occurred to me. What is Ontario trying to do? They want Peterson to get media training, but why? So that he can lie better about his real views? How will this protect his clients? In fact, if anything, it will make it more likely for him to harm his clients because they will be less aware of what he really thinks. Clearly what they are doing is political, it has nothing to do with the wellbeing of potential clients. Notice, they are making no attempt to change his views, but only whether he expresses them publicly. It's a disgrace really, whatever your opinion of Peterson is.
@@triciat2855 guess what these are consequences of exercising your right to say what you want. Having the right to something doesn't mean you can't have consequences for exercising it - in terms of free speech, it just means you can't be jailed. But in Canada, we have hate speech laws so he doesn't have license to say whatever he wants in Canada anyways.
@@PinkCatsyEvery democracy is founded on free speech though. We have to allow folks to say abhorrent things in order for everyone to be free. Every dictatorship starts with banning speech.
It's not décorum training, it's a licensed board pushing their own political agenda and muzzling all dissenting voices. That's exactly how every single dictatorship begins.
holy toledo, I used to be a fan of the guy because he was so good at boundaries. but man, does he have bigtime anger issues, couldn't recognise them in him until I could see them in myself. I think the paradoxical disorder he had really affected him and hopefully he will be able to correct his course a little.
same here. used to be a fan (and in a way i still am - i admire some of the stuff he's done, his course on pinoccio, a couple of his books and a couple of his interviews), but now it's like... i don't recognise him anymore, if that makes sense. i mean you could suspect something was going on internally bc of how he seemed to put an emphasis on the notion of knowing yourself & your inner demons specifically. but then again we all have inner demons... yeah honestly this is just sad and i don't understand how we've ended up here
This is the thing… I believe Jordan is a very bright, and extremely well educated person who sometimes speaks truths when it comes down to the psychology field, yet I don’t agree with his conveniently newfound right wing ideology (that made him and his family mega rich), which is ironic because he was a fervent admirer of Russian ideology and art (extreme left) before he became popular on RUclips, and Joe Rogan made him 20x more popular. Jordan truly doesn’t need his license for his livelihood anymore, since he makes millions of dollars off of his tours, social media platforms, app, sponsorships, and other endeavors/investments. He doesn’t need to practice anymore, so losing his license shouldn’t be a big deal, yet, losing his license would hurt his ego immensely (it’s obvious), because he worked hard for many years to achieve his academic degrees. At this point, to him, is about his ego and winning against the “extreme left” and his academia colleagues. It’s about creating drama, attention, controversy, because that = to lots of money on SM. The dude is clever AF, so don’t ever feel bad for him. He knows exactly wtf he’s doing. 🤓😬🥴😂
I think we need professionals to be able to speak up when they see dangers in society and not just 'go along'. We need them to be able to speak their mind. Otherwise, who else can sound a potential alarm if not an expert in psychology?
not if this alarm is not scientific - Peterson is on an ego trip, it’s all about himself and being 100% right 100% of the time - big red flag for a scientist…
@@djamilawilschke7259Everyone has to deal with ego and he often admits that he welcomes those that keep him in check. Generally though he finds the attention overwhelming and humbling and brings him to tears realizing how many people just need a little encouragement. Watch his recent interview with Piers Morgan. Ego or not, that is no reason to dismiss someone a warning from with high credentials. Most of how the gender surgeries are performed are not fully developed. There are no studies that affirm benefit. If anything, in the UK a huge clinic had to shut down and is now facing multiple lawsuits for child mutilation. In the history of mankind, this is all very new and I think he is saying to take the foot of the gas until we can see good risk/benefit studies.
@djamilawilschke7259 That is really subjective. I don’t know what evidence you have to support that? Could it be possible you are misreading his passion for ego? Do his ideas threaten your ideas?
Been waiting for you to react to him for months now! Thanks for making this videos. He’s definitely been given a lot more credit than what he deserves while providing highly biased arguments supporting his own ideologies/personal values. It’s sad that people would fall for his pseudoscience and agenda cause it simply fits the narrative they wanna believe.
I would say you hit the nail on the head with the speculation that this gives him the opportunity to gain more attention, and a wider audience. This all feeds the monster, I'm afraid.
I mean, I guess most people won’t say it, but I think that Jordan Peterson is like a religious, conservative/political conservative, who is trying to impart knowledge to all people, but only considering a certain bracket of people, and then being surprised when it’s not received. Maybe he should just be a religious counselor, how about that? Because his lane of communication and expertise seems to be very very narrow and almost combative of how wrong his clients and his colleagues are. Maybe he’s just in the wrong field? 🤷♀️ maybe he’s looking to be an influencer opinion piece and not so much a professional.
It’s really weird anyone would be surprised that you try to be unbiased as a therapist. I’m pretty sure that’s a part of what being a therapist is supposed to be. 😂 That tells me that person has never been to therapy a day in their life. That’s the most basic knowledge about therapy and how it works. Maybe don’t go to a therapy channel if you want a drama channel take.
I love how people likes to complain about others who don't agree with them... just go to someone else who will agree with you.. it's not that hard people lol
It would be beneficial if you knew more about Peterson and his work via what people say about him. This could be a very insightful dialogue however not if you primarily prioritize information provided from a media witch hunt. To have a fair assessment on this, I suggest looking into Peterson, his work, and his direct words in full context before speculating. Losing his licence for having an opinion and worldview outside of the mainstream is not just; whether you agree with his ideology or not he did nothing unethical in his practice. By that premise, it justifies the very same people who reported you over not agreeing with your way of expression or point of view re: Depp/Heard.
Wouldnt justify the complaint Dr Kirk got because he (as advertised) uses his experience and education in psychology to make observations, while simulatenously behaving within the ethics required of his professional license, whereas peterson uses his profession and education to incorrectly miguide people to consider his opinions as facts. Dr Kirk has also reacted and watched peterson videos, you personally just havent seen them
I like a lot of what Peterson has done, but the way he acts on twitter is completely unacceptable. If he was simply expressing unpopular opinions that would be one thing, but the guy has developed a serious propensity for being a grade A asshole.
I nearly spit out my tea when you said you framed the letter about someone’s complaint of you, I laughed so hard. That is so funny and cool, Dr. Honda. 😂
Yes, that made me smile too. He had the most balanced take on that case, the fact that both sides came to the table with such preset biases is not surprising me but it’s still disappointing
And then he switched topics immediately 😂😂
Ha! Yeah, well, I guess leaning into it feels better than otherwise.
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Funny thing, JP doesn’t even want to practice, he just needs the title as an intellectual badge and part of his branding.
All the Canadians showing up for this. 😅
So cringe 😭
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So here for it! 🇨🇦🍁🇨🇦
What are either of you talking about?
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Dr. Kirk framing the complaint getting declined is amazingly petty and I’m here for it 😂
I mean, if it were me, I would comply. It's not a big deal.
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Anybody else get really sad when you hear that people went after Dr. Kirk!?
Who hasn't had some lunatic overreact to something they've said on social media? This just seems to be part of life now. 🤷🏽
Not people, one delusional person
No, he's a terrible shrink. This whole video was him making claims he could not justify and putting words in someone's mouth. He called jbp terrible things and was incapable of providing a single example. This guy is not a psychologist he is an activist.
@@yadusolparterre Well at least now your complaint in framed in his office. 😂😂
@@BekaB85 probably ! He's the kind of guy to put his ideology above any professional consideration
This comment section is depressing and gross. Dr. Honda, I support you. Your expertise, experience in your field, compassion and critical reasoning around these topics make you an exceptional content creator, professor and therapist.
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Couldn't agree more. 😊
Yes! All of this. We love Dr. H.
Dr. Honda: "Just trying to be in his shoes"
Dr Honda about to get on an all meat carnivore diet, start taking benzos and start tweeting 200 times a day about woke culture and Hunter Biden's laptop.
What's wrong with taking benzos?
Don't forget the postmodern, neo-marxist lobsters!
@@ania5038 an expert who didn't understand that benzos were addictive!!!! Wow. Ok.
@@ania5038 good one. Clever. I am taken aback. However, Dr. Peterson said he did not know they were addictive. I do not know if he knows about caffeine, maybe. I hope he is careful about it.
@@ania5038Isn’t his mantra for people to take responsibility for their own actions and behaviours?
I got in huge fights with my ex about calling anyone a doctor. He thought only MDs could be called doctors and refused to understand that the term doctor comes from a doctorate education. His family was full of MDs but that sure didn't make him smart.
What???😂😂😂Omg he sounds dumb!The privilege of it all.
Back in 2017, I got my doctorate in Anthropology. The previous year, I was talking to my grandmother and she asked why I was still going to school, and I told her "I am going to be a doctor, grandma. I am almost there." I was expecting her to be brimming with pride that her grandson is going to have a doctorate. Instead, her response was, "Yeah... but not a real doctor." It was a bit disappointing but it is what it is. This idea that only MD's are real doctors is pretty common. Thats why even after I got my doctorate, I never put my title on anything unless its in a strictly professional capacity. It does suck though because I am really proud of my degrees. I put in an unimaginable amount of work to get there, so I would love to proudly use my title. But in a sort of anti-intellectual world we currently live in, its better for me to sort of hide my education. Fortunately, this seems to be a largely uniquely American thing. I work a lot in other countries, and there, education is valued more and I get to feel that little bit of pride by being called doctor, as its considered rude to not use a person's title.
I was just watching Housewives of Potomac last night, and believe it or not, this very subject came up.
One of the women, Dr. Wendy Osefo is a PhD. There is a new woman who joined the cast, and for some reason the way she and another woman were speaking was like a PhD isn't a doctor. I'm thinking, are they really trying to downplay the fact this woman is a PhD? Have they never heard of a doctorate? Such an odd stance to take 🤔
Remember that here in Canada, we don’t have free speech in the same way: we have limits against hate speech for protected identities under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Transphobia by a professional on an ongoing basis is unacceptable. I am a teacher - and if I said the same things, I should and would lose my license from the Ontario College of Teachers.
Something important to note:
Jordan keeps representing the issue as if its about his political criticisms. But if you look up "Jordan peterson college of psychologists" on google, the first hit is the document with the tweets in question.
None of them are political lol. Its just him being an unprofessional fool online and embarrasing his profession.
I was looking for part two only to realize that this was posted only two hours ago. This is great Doctor Honda, thank you for covering it.
Part two coming soon!
Part 2 is up btw!
Thank you so much for letting me know! I'll check it out.@@genevievexx
The way he talks just infuriates me. He's so hateful and pompous and self righteous.
Yet nothing about what he talks about. Very mature.
Hateful how?
His daughter is the same and the mom is so meek.
@legzz187 have you listened to him? Transgenders, feminists, liberals, Trudeau, and that's just the beginning.
@@oksanaml9279 specifically?
I got so much value watching the Depp vs. Herd trial with Dr. Honda, but it's sickening the way people treated him. Death threats for not taking sides on an issue he never witnessed or got involved in. It's so illogical. Ill never forget how i was having lunch with friends at this hibachi place, and there was an Amber terd tip jar at the registers with a poop emoji. I may not be a Amber Heard supporter, but I just thought that was such bad taste for a place of business. People just really took it way too far, IMO.
As for Jordan Peterson, I really don't know anything about him but I have been folling the Ruby Franke story a bit and whats come of light about Jodi Hildebrandt who also got her liscense taken away and its just YIKES
I cant even explain my feelings about this kind of thing. As a grad student of counseling and psychology I'm just so confused/flabbergasted/disappointed that these people somehow make it through the grueling process of school, education, trainings, hours of experience and pass the exams issued by their governing body,and actually get liscened in the first place, and then go out and harm others on both micro and macro levels. Its like I have to work really hard and somehow these people skate right by.
I agree about the tip jar, I'm fully in Depps side but it's inappropriate for a business to do that. Also, if you're a restaurant I'd think you'd want to keep poop references to zero when people eat.
@@Aaron-kj8dv 😄
In my country, the institute where a man who almost finished his MD education, was warned that he was an animal abuser. The institute was advised not to give him his licence. His reaction was to kill the neighbours who reported the animal abuse, and one of his teachers. This happened 2 days ago. Unfortunately psychopaths can be intelligent.
Years ago, Jordan Peterson at least came across as overall professional and thoughtful, now he looks like a Batman villain..
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He thinks that he is the joker 😂
Yeeees. My god, I was missing the right name to my feeling! Batman villain fits so well. his clothes!!! So much
I find the complaint funny. Once my mom was talking to a few doctors, my mom being a nurse (RN) and DrPH. A lady (family member) came up to everyone in the circle talking and said, she isn't a doctor like you all. Everyone turned to look at her and one guy asked for her to leave the conversation. Some people are not educated and find the need to put down others for no reason other than to be mean.
Haha that’s awesome!! Do you know if she left the conversation quietly or how she reacted to being asked to leave?
Actually, one of the doctors signaled to her husband to come take her somewhere else to talk. She was pretty embarrassed to say the least.@@MsJeanneMarie
@@sweetgirl4u247 hahaha that’s so awesome. lol I’m glad she was embarrassed. Sometimes that needs to happen for people to realize!
Some people have this crude sense of humor. They're trying to be snarky and sarcastic, but they aren't actually funny and don't know how to read a room.
I had a family member do this to her own daughter when she got her law degree. Her mom was trying to downplay her at her graduation banquet. Everyone just looked like, 'What are you doing?'
People like that just don't even get that no one thinks it's funny
It's ridiculous that Peterson can't see the legitimate concerns about his behaviour. The Twitter trolling is highly unprofessional and problematic. He NEEDS to be more sensitive on social media.
Oh I'm sure he sees them, chances are he just doesn't care at all. Why abide by a moral code when you could be gathering more shiny dubloons from your gullible audience?
I lost my brother (figuratively) to the cult of Jordan Peterson. His philosophies have the surface layer appearance of self building and endurance of character but there’s just too much straw-manning of women and “liberals”. If you can only build your character by tearing other down, than you end up alone; much like my brother. Since following down the alt-right pipeline he has alienated himself from most of the family. Even the male members of my family are sick of hearing him. It sucks. I miss him, but it feels like he joined a cult who teaches him that if I reach out to him I’m just trying to manipulate him. So I let it rest for the time being. As a Canadian, and woman, and avid follower/patreon I’m SO glad you are covering this.
I'm a straight woman and pretty sure men are more obsessed with alpha men than women are. Actually when they think alpha means behaving in abusive ways, women don't tend to like those men at all.
Crazy that you now have to state your sexuality in a RUclips comment.
@@raspberrykissablelook at that a hurt alpha male
@@GitanAnimexI’m not a male 😂
@@raspberrykissable so what?! it was relevant to her comment,
there is a reason that a woman mentioning her sexulity bothered you so much!
find that reason.
@@Elle-xf8mwIt doesn’t bother me. I just wanted to point out the absurdity of it. Not sure why you’re so bothered by my comment.
As a retired probation officer i found his popularity to be really alarming. His attitudes towards certain groups of people, women, ethnic minorities etc are ones that were common with my offenders, in particular those that committed hate crimes, sexual assault and domestic abuse. I've noticed that some of the young men who follow JP go down the far right rabbit hole, becoming more misogynistic, angrier and more depressed. It's worrying. I've heard him misinterpret research, claim that research doesn't exist when it does and claim that racism doesn't exist because his black friend told him that. He's anti muslim, anti lgbtq. Most of the time he looks like he's drunk or on something or he's crying. At the very least he needs media training. He seems like an incredibly unhappy person.
Just admit you glanced over news articles and never watched any of his talks.
These views do not represent JP at all. I don’t understand where you get this from. I have never heard those statements come out of this mouth or perhaps it is your interpretation of what he talks about.
@@BorisMiljkovic just admit your best qualities dripped down sister-momma's leg?
I disagree with some of what you’ve said about JP. You could be right about the trajectory of the young men Who follow him. He does seem quite unhappy. He
Often looks to the contrary position. Makes him popular but alas, this is not a recipe for happiness 😊
@@Denchanter he is a pretty intense man and very emotional.
A few years ago Peterson was addicted to benzos and went to Russia to be put in a chemically induced coma to get through the withdrawals. He hasn’t been the same since, I think he suffered some pretty severe brain damage.
What's your excuse?
It would be nice if you shared your evidence or resource about such a treatment Peterson went through. Did he disclose this himself on a video? Without some kind of proof it’s just gossip or speculation. I’m reluctant to believe it. Not that I’m a fan of his, I’m not. But when people make such claims they should include the resource for proof. You could ruin a person making such claims. You could also get sued for defamation.
@@dreamzofhorses when he went to Russia his daughter posted about it, she said he couldn’t take the physical effects of withdrawals and after the coma he was unable to move and walk normally for a couple months. They were worried he wouldn’t be able to move and talk normally again.
It looks like he and his daughter also uploaded a video from Serbia a couple months after the coma where they go into the details.
@@dreamzofhorseshis daughter literally told the news.
@@dreamzofhorseshis family LITERALLY REPORTED it. So Jordan Peterson is not going to sue anyone (especially in this comment section) for reporting this easily provable fact that they themselves have affirmed to be true.
I should never read the comments beneath a JP video. The hoops that these people have to jump through to support him/to refuse he's a problematic person are numerous. It alarming, frankly.
@@ania5038 why should I acknowledge someone's existence that a) doesn't affect me personally and b) I view as problematic? Make it make sense.
Yeah I agree, it’s just depressing
Most people like him because he's provided a lot of free educational content that allows people to use their own mind expand their intelligence and think deeply about topics.
This society doesn't want independent thinkers, which I can tell by your comment you don't think deeply about stuff - and that is okay, most people are surface level -but for those that do, we value people like him.
@@Bec_love I "don't think deeply about stuff" because I don't like a specific person you like. Great insight - you definitely sound like someone that is open to learning the perspective of others.
Generally, assumptions mean you're not trying too hard to think about things. But that's okay.
@@Bec_love People like him because they're insecure with themselves and he teaches them not to take accountability, but to put the blame on other groups for their problems (trans, immigrants, the blacks!!, modern feminsts/sjw, etc.).
It would be interesting to hear your analysis on the health issues Jordan Peterson developed after stopping Xanax. He was fully disabled for over a year, and I don't think he's mentally fully recovered from it. I now find him to be far more impulsive and prone to calling people names. The Twitter trolling is out of control, and everything seems to have gone to his head in the worst kind of way since that event occured.
Yeah, others have speculated about that as well. Could be a factor. Hard to know.
Imagine having half the world hate you, calling you racist, transphobic, trying to get you fired Etc, while your wife and daughter are both deathly ill. Who would handle that well?
@@HaleyStark. Indeed. I suspect J.P has had a pretty rough life and the past few years are no exception.
@@HaleyStark.what were they deathly ill with?
@@HaleyStark.He's bringing that all on himself. Everything he's being called, he deserves. Even if he's not fully transphobic, he's saying things that give people a good reason to think he's transphobic. Like the shit he says about Elliot Page and calling his doctor a criminal. I'll use an analogy. Someone who might not necessarily be a pdf file, going on the internet and saying that the age of consent should be 14. Doesn't necessarily mean the person is literally attracted to minors, but they deserve all the backlash they get from openly saying something disgusting on the internet.
As a Canadian, I was SHOCKED to learn he was still teaching at uoft as recently as he was. His rise in popularity is quite scary... Canadians say we are nothing like America in terms of isms, but we are right on par..
I think the difference is that we don't talk openly about it in the same way that it's talked about in America, for the most part. Perhaps because people are very comfortable pointing to America as a scapegoat to get out of deeper conversations about our isms and problem. (Also we have a significantly smaller population so the magnitude of the issue is inherently less)
It’s become a lot ‘louder’ here in the last few years I’ve found. I recently left Toronto for Victoria bc, the last local election we had a group here called ‘viva’ which was basically a ppc offshoot trying to take over local government, that’s happening all over Canada. I think the trucker movement made it ‘louder. It’s gross.
We also don’t have “free speech” like the US.
@@meanjean3023 in what way?
@@Kwd123 America has the First Amendment, and Trudeau has been wreaking havoc on our charter rights.
Petersons ego has inflated with his fame.
He’s the loudest up in Canada. Why? Why is he so famous?
Jack of all master of none plus spreading hatred. Trendy formula that works well in this age.
Jordy forgets in Canada we have hate speech laws. He’s just a walking contradiction himself. As a Canadian I apologies for the Peterson family they are the worst.
Someone needs to lecture Peterson about that jacket.
Lmao!
I took a look at the Canadian code of ethics for clinical psychologists. There seems to be multiple areas where Petersons behavior online seems to violate what he agreed to uphold simply by being a licensed professional.
If he has an issue with the code of ethics, that’s one thing- but to make a huge stink about having violated a code that you agreed to uphold…seems woefully immature to me- especially as a licensed provider myself.
Specify?
It's kind of shocking how much of his behavior the college is willing to put up with before taking disciplinary action. I have very little faith in the social media training as a tool to change his behavior.
I used to have a Twitter account and trust me, he's not even in the top 10% of deranged professors. It's actually horrifying when you see how many professors seem almost possessed.
Yeah, in my experience, licensing boards react slowly.
u fr????
they litrally lisened to twitter troles and said "aight im a communist now"
the fact it wasnt even his clients that complained but rather ppl that dont like his politics sais it all lmao
You are lost in the sauce.
@@Aaron-kj8dvpossessors?
So ironic for Jordan Peterson to call anyone a self-righteous moralizing thing... Projection much? That's HIS whole thing. Does Jordan Peterson have his own psychologist? He needs one, because he makes the whole field look bad. There has to be some standards, or else he makes psychologists in general look like overemotional unstable cranks like he is.
So agree.
LOL! You both must not be Canadians. Because if you were you’d know everything he’s fighting for - this is a tiny sliver with little context. Did you know that under the criminal code it is now ILLEGAL for someone to misgender an individual here? Do you know that our economy has plummeted and yet our government is FUNDING “drag queen summer camps” for children 7 years old and up? I wish I was kidding. You need to see the bigger picture of what’s going on here - our prime minister is leaning towards communism, he’s even boasted about how much he admires countries who are communist, and then he does this. This is all part of what he’s fighting for.
Peterson thinks that he can say whatever without checks and balances
Hilariously he sued a university over being likened to Hitler
Cosmic irony and karma are both laughing 😂
so many people seem to forget that medical professionals have to uphold certain standards and that it isn’t actually unreasonable at all to revoke a license when a medical professional does not meet those standards. medical professionals take an oath that they are required to uphold. they also must regularly reapply for their certifications/licenses. that’s how it is in the medical field. anyone opposed to meeting those standards and upholding their oaths should not be in this field. end of story.
edit: glad i’m not the only person who refused to take sides during the depp/heard trial. i felt that it wasn’t my place as an outside party who never witnessed any of the incidents.
Dr Honda, I don't understand how having an opposing opinion to others is considered harmful to some people and unsafe and bigoted.Even if he is a clinician, he has a right to freely express his thoughts, because quoting him " In order to think you have to risk being offensive". And all this was an attempt to censor him. It was an attack on free speech itself. Already, clinicians can no longer question when a person thinks they have gender dysphoria. All they HAVE TO DO is affirm it. That is completely opposing to standards of healthcare, if doctors are obligated to take the words of the patient as a fact rather than investigating it first. It wpuld be like if I think I have a heart condition, surgeons operating on me without confirming any diagnosis, just based on my words. Complying with everything leads to this.
Cue all the Peterson disciples that are about to flock to your page in defence of their leader….
So true!
They are all in a cult
@@haruhisuzumiya6650yup. J.P.have ALOT blood on his hands."no joke".And by the way;nobody can convince me he's off his benzos.
Heartwarming to see your priorities are in the right place
@@Samsgarden have no idea what you are on about
I watched some of your videos on the Depp/Heard trial and I found them very educational especially in terms of the forensic psychologist assessments and the conceptualisation of relational dynamics including.
I agree with Dr Honda totally, as someone that is studying medicine when you are part of a profession that is govern by certain bodies and the Medical College of my country there are certain standards that have to be uphold. As a person you can have as many opinions and views as you want but when you are putting your views out there and you are using your profession as part of affirming those views do not be surprised that the licensing body of said profession is going to call you into question if what you say is considered controversial. I was rather neutral on Peterson and I got to watch some of his lectures but apparently he has gotten a lot more extreme and, like Dr Honda said, this is only going to add fuel to the fire of his martyrdom.
"when you are putting your views out there and you are using your profession as part of affirming those views do not be surprised that the licensing body of said profession is going to call you into question if what you say is considered controversial."
Isn't that excatly what Dr Honda is doing? Or is it okay for Dr Honda because his views are not controversial?
@@nessmiaou3424 I think the difference here is the way this are handled, Dr Honda said himself in the video how he might approach the situation. In the end I think it also has to do with ego, you can be the most expert clinician but if you fucked up you did, don't expect everyone to just kiss the ground you walk. If the College of Psychologist thinks that Peterson is violating some of their standards, they have a right to call him into question; otherwise just don't be a member. What Peterson has to do is fight back the right way, not go on the internet and rant about how he is not going to let a judge tell him what to do. If anything it just solidifies the point of those that are against him.
Dr. Honda covering Jordy B. Peterstone right before my birthday is the perfect present.
I don't think he's a bigot. I think he has genuine compassion if you listen to his talks and interviews. I agree his tone and demeanor is a little harsh at times but what he says makes sense to me anyways not that my opinion matters. I see your points as well.
Good luck with these comment sections. Already looking bad down here.
You are correct Dr. Honda, College of Psychologists of Ontario is the governing and licensing body for the field.
So they are always right and whatever political agenda they push is the good one. Makes sense.
@@yadusolparterre OP didn't even give an opinion, just made a factual statement. Did you just need to vent?
@@frozenraspberries1552 what's the point in saying "they are the boss", if not to suggest that we should blindly follow them?
@@yadusolparterre How was confirming that College of Psychologists of Ontario is the licensing body for the field the same as saying "blindly follow them"?
If I say "The Arizona Board of Psychologists Examiners is the licensing body for Arizona", it's a completely nuetral statement about who is in charge of licensing for the territory. It never meant anything more than that.
@@frozenraspberries1552 meh. You're a woman.
... See? It's a factual comment. Does it sound neutral? No.
Oh man, the comments incoming might be similar to the Depp vs Heard ones.
hope not!!
They were crazyyyyyy, people had extreme views.
Oh, we already know it's gonna happen.
I'm just surprised this has taken this long 🤷♀😶
Jordan's histrionic entitlement morphs into mein Fuhrer when you increase the playback speed. yikes!
I want to watch this video but I can't stand JP's face and voice and everything that JP does. Welp, I guess I'll watch in disgust.
I've watched lots of Peterson's lectures, listened to some of his podcasts and I've read 12 Rules for Life. I also love Dr. Honda and I watch this channel daily. I enjoyed this video and I'm looking forward for the next ones. I don't understand much about these regulations, but I tend to think that the government shouldn't have that much say on his licence because of social media. Maybe if the complaint came from a client, and depending on the complaint.
I also want to say that for years Peterson has said that he's against the government regulating speech. I think the whole situation has to do mainly with this. Plus he's always been strongly against this type of mandatory training, I don't think it has to do with power. Maybe complying would be simpler, but it would be against his beliefs.
100%
Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I appreciate that.
The issue is this. He has a government-issued license to practice as a clinician - to treat ALL people in Canada, not just some people. The standard of care within mental health is to not discriminate and to follow the science which recognizes the reality of trans people and the perils of body shaming. The licensing agency is the only barrier between potentially harmful clinicians and the public. That agency stated that he is absolutely free to express his point of view, but he cannot make social media posts that alienate or harm his past, present, or future clients, who could be trans, plus-sized, or otherwise. And thus, he needs a little bit of training to learn how to refrain from making those few posts (out of thousands) that are problematic. That's it. Just a simple training - the sort that we clinicians take every month.
@@PsychologyInSeattle actually, in Canada our regulatory boards are independently run. The government gives them authority through legislation, and some professions have more than one college they can choose to be a part of, depending on the province. As a counsellor I have to be part of a professional association as well as a regulatory college to practice and the ethical standards of both are quite high. At least that’s my understanding. It’s pretty complicated, legislation wise.
I thought your delivery regarding the psychology around the Heard/Depp trial was very professional and thoughtful. Dr. Shannon was awesome too. BPD is very destructive untreated. And I really hoped people took something away, an interest, an awareness regarding psychology and very real and present psychopathy. There are many good resources out there (including yours) that people can make a conscious decision to extend their learning. Better understanding of social interactions…behaviours that might inform and equip people better in the current social and political environment (independent, critical thinking with a healthy dose of skepticism).
@@ania5038 I’m not sure that the author/hosts viewpoint specifically stated that Jordan Peterson SHOULD loose his license because he was personally opposed to trans-gender. He spoke directly to the ethics and conduct that would become a part of the disciplinary process. Members whom are part of professions of trust to the care of others have a responsibility and an obligation -- and or fully aware of the consequences of such (OVERT) violations. Particularly conducting such behaviour on the steps of the university, openly violating those he was entrusted to be a mentor (of some kind) to. Those same students are in fact, the clients.
You think you can take a job at Burger King, and then stand at the front door (while employed), screaming at the clients about how YOU think the special sauce is the wrong colour. Come on, man! Your ass would be canned in two seconds, if not the cops called to drag your sorry ass off.
But, the University, despite sending him warning letters to cease his activities, never actually fired him. He can thank his membership in a professional organized (union) for that. The very protections he has in Canada (union), that he rails against politically. What a hypocrite! Good Lord.
He doesn’t care about any of it, or anyone but himself. His means have been served, and undoubtedly, he’s going to continue to exploit it for all it’s worth$$$. End Stop.
Now there’s a case study worth psychological analysis. I all in.
@@ania5038 and PS, I am very aware that all people are capable of abuse, not just psychological, but physical to. I would say the person who said women only abuse in lesbian relationships is just incompetent.
Pandering political ideology and rhetoric (in a learning curriculum) under the guise of psychology is another matter entirely. Not to mention all the toxic discrimination he continuously rages on about. The Rage within ALONE should be a red flag if your indeed a student of psychology.
I’m guessing the people that complained were on the side of AH. The few fans she has left, are so over the top.
@@bobbicatt no,the majority who complained were Depp fans
@@ania5038 then he won't need his licence
Dr Honda, you are always very calming, I appreciate that. Your commentary of the Depp V Heard trial was very balanced. I watched the entire trial and was pro Depp. But listening to your expertise on Heards issues helped me to be more balanced and understanding of the situation.
I had no idea that Jordan P had this aggro, anti-LGBTQ side to his persona. The comments I’ve seen from him before were far more moderate (like he clearly doesn’t believe gender is fluid but he was talking in a respectful manner) and less offensive…. Yikes.
I never liked the guy but I actively dislike him after seeing him spew this kinda hateful rhetoric.
I think in the past, he's been more careful to couch or talk around his anti-LGBTQ opinions. He did rise to prominence over refusing to respect people's pronouns. I think in his increased approval and platforming by the right (and maybe his personal problems?), he's gotten more and more comfortable being more explicit about these things.
@@PinkCatsyAhhhh, so being anti woke is how he got his initial popularity? I thought it was more from his motivational speaking.
That’s good to know, thank you. Sounds like he’s escalating and making his views more overt overtime.
@@andedomhe's a narcissist, you tell him no and he'll keep going to self destruction
He absolutely could be in a position to hurt people and that's a risk any respectable body won't risk. One man goes rogue, pedals snake oil sales and curing autism (give him time) there's going to be calls to unseat his superiority complex
@@PinkCatsyThe issue about him not respecting people’s pronouns is about him not wanting to be forced into saying words.
His badge of honor is getting into heated discussion with undergrads who are inexpeienced and have not made up their minds. I don't see any difference between him and Jordan Klepper trolling MAGAs for thier incompetence. Both are targeting the most vulnerable for their own fame.
I ignored the heard v depp series because the obsession on SM overall made me uncomfortable. I ignored 95% of the SM commentary. I'm sorry you went through that Dr Honda
Savy Writes Books satirically uses JP's "Up Yours, Woke Moralists! We'll See Who Cancels Who" as part of her current intro. I thought it was so ridiculous it was funny, it's like someone's Grandpa trying to insult people without actually getting "how the kids talk". But reading Pageboy and finding out how attacked Elliot Page felt that it was part of a screed directed solely at him (I hadn't known that it was), AND Elliot's somewhat abusive Dad liking that comment and not even talking to his son just furthered the family disconnect. It gave me a more sobering perspective on people like JP using their education and voice of authority to just be hateful. I feel sorry for all of his clients and those he's hurt, and I hope there's a point where he can't hurt anyone anymore.
Thanks for the video! I'm sure you have enough ideas right now, but Jodi Hildebrandt (therapist of the recent child abuse case in Utah) and her approach to therapy would be an interesting and timely topic, too. She uses "distortion" and other concepts in a much different way than you've used it, and it would be interesting to hear an educated professional point out where her ideas go off-road (everywhere, probably everywhere).
A lot of the videos aren't available online anymore, but Rachel Oates' video on the topic has a lot of videos about Jodi's ideas (ex. kids don't need privacy at all, even in bathrooms, from the moment they're born babies have agency and can manipulate you, etc.) I understand if you don't dive into this, but if you do, there are a lot of "informative" clips there to react to.
As far as Peterson goes -- I mean, this is the part I DO understand... that there are not clear guidelines on social media use and who is a social media use expert who is also an expert in licensed clinical practice guidelines? I'd want to know who is that expert and what their credential are to actually train on that, and that is a valid criticism and question.
HOWEVER, as I think most of us who have worked as professionals know -- there have always been standards and regulations about how we can behave towards the public -- and although social media is new, TV isn't new, radio isn't new, and getting caught on tape though rarer in the past isn't new, or being recorded or having letter exchanges or emails even isn't that new. And so as members of the public we are 100% free. But as professionals with licenses or any accreditations, we have ALWAYS been restricted by professional guidelines. As a preface, I hold NONE OF THESE VIEWS but have the right to have them without any goverment entity intervening: I am free to join westboro and picket funerals with hate speech on those signs. I am free to use racial slurs and homophobic and transphobic slurs as much as I want as a citizen. I am free to join eugenics groups against disability and hold the opinion that people with disabilities should be sterilized or shouldn't be allowed to have medical care and let Darwinism win if I just express those opinions. And if I did any of these publicly I could easily lose every accreditation or license I ever held.
And I feel pretty comfortable saying that I would be surprised if any of his licenses or accreditations are anything he actually uses or requires for what he's currently doing. He honestly probably just keeps it up so that he can pretend to have legitimacy and be performative with these acts. Licensing is only required for working with people as a professional, in a legitimate professional practice following those guidelines, OR teaching or training future professionals in accredited programs. He resigned from his last legit teaching job over 2 years ago, and I don't know when he stopped clinical practice, but it's not listed as his current occupation. He works as a content creator, and for the Daily Wire, and is chancellor of Ralston which is a bogus unaccredited "university". About as useful as a degree from Trump U -- and I'm fine with whatever people want to pay for or believe, you're free to get an unaccredited degree from both Trump and Ralston and hey go for PragerU while you're at it -- but the point is that Jordan Peterson does not require any licenses or accreditations to be a chancellor of a scambait college, nor to be a content creator, podcaster, or to write books, or to do any of the things that have made him a super popular multi-millionaire. I also feel fairly comfortable speculating that the biggest reason that he is putting up the fight of his life against this horrible oppressive regime in Canada that is trying to force him to take a class on social media like "fascists" and not just letting his license lapse is because the longer he draws out this legal fight and paints their judges and government and accrediting and licensing bodies as fascists, the more clicks and even donations he's going to get from uneducated Americans and Canadians and others who don't know that as this is happening he's only making more and more money fighting the government "for his livelihood" over a license he hasn't used probably in years, or at best he stopped needing 2 years ago when he resigned from an accredited university.
I'm always tempted to roast him mercilessly, but I also know it's cruel - he seems to be literally brain damaged from his past substance issues and shady medical treatment.
I felt bad once for him when he cried while talking about lonely men who are asking for help. A lot of people online made fun of him of that, but come on, we can't just apply harmful stereotypes about men only to people we don't like. Showing emotions should be normal
He doesn't seem brain damaged. He just has a big ego.
@@Charlotte8591 He has always had a big ego, and he has been problematic for a long time, but he also has changed noticeably since he got back from treatment in Russia
...the speed I clicked on this video!!
haha me too!
right!!!
I came here to write exactly the same thing 😂
So fast!!!!
Humiliation and shame. I was born intersex 55 years ago inside Tennessee raised female. Wrong decision by doctor raised in Christian family and Christian school. I was always very masculine whipped by teachers, bullied by kids and shunned parents for not exhibiting feminine behavior. In my 20's conversion therapy was offered first. I finally sought out a psychologist and still had to pass through Harry Benjamin Standards of Care over two years signed off by PhD's. Physicians inside Tennessee had to verify I was intersex for the state to amend my birth certificate to male. I have lived a male life almost 30 years now with birth certificate amended so I could have correct identification for drivers license, work and a passport. Someone inside Tennessee recognized me and caught me out alone. The pastor said "People around here don't like it when you change your sex. When born, the doctor made the decision but you changed it." I finally saw a gender affirmative therapist and got a trans related PTSD diagnosis. Affirmative meant they didn't caste blame back on me like the pastor or religious psychiatrist I saw first. Jordan Peterson representing licensed psychologists links up with Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh to condemn with moral judgements someone like me serving as a healthcare provider in Stealth. Mr. Peterson whines and cries a lot with a persecution complex he brought on himself. The pastor said I brought this on myself. God chose how I was born. Before his illness Mr. Peterson asked himself the question "Do I have the right to be questioning gender?" No he doesn't because it isn't him or anyone in his family. He is supposed to be someone a human being who might be trans could trust because his license represents a profession. He didn't know Eliot Page to make a hateful comment calling their surgery mutilation and the surgeon a butcher. Narcissism with new found belief in an Old Testament god full of judgement and condemnation. He once used Disney characters for his lectures but they are too woke now so he switched to Old Testament Bible Stories. His new schtick about narrative is repackaged Joe Campbell. Tennessee law voided my amended birth certificate back to original birth sex last summer. Sad Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson with a license to practice working for The Daily Wire in Tennessee ensured I can't return back there to care for my 80 year old Veteran dad since the PTSD diagnosis. Dangerous to live in Tennessee.
I hope you take care of yourselves and Dr Honda and PIS team, please dont mind the unkind comments this will bring.
The comments indicate that I'm reaching that audience, so my hope is to provide them with some nuance. They can like him, but without the ability question your leader, then you're in a cult.
Being interested in much of JP's work, I consider KH's point that had he not been famous, there's the possibility that JP might have responded differently the social media training - perhaps more openly. Interesting video as it in my opinion brings up the ongoing thoughts and responses regarding self-disclosure in the therapeutic professions. Thank you!
Wonderful news! ❤
Very happy to see you covering this situation, hopefully, all the hateful comments are not going to discourage you from sharing your opinion
Thanks. But the comments are obviously coming from the cult of gender, so it doesn't get to me. I see these individuals as having been cruelly indoctrinated by our weird culture, and then attacked for adhering to that culture, and then seeking a charismatic leader to save them. I don't blame them. I blame the original indoctrination.
@@PsychologyInSeattlewe have all been indoctrinated sadly. Including you.
I’m pretty sure that if a trans person was looking for care, they wouldn’t choose Peterson as their psychologist.
I think a confused and insecure person who grew up in a conservative household might would. Maybe they would hope JP could help them with their "problem" and "heal" them, because "they're not normal". I mean there's a lot of people fighting who they are their whole life. I find this thought devastating.
@@serenushkaexactly 100%
Dr. Honda I’m a long time follower and supporter of your channel however I am very disappointed in this.
I think that if you’re going to go over reports on Jordan Peterson you should ALSO review what he says straight out of his mouth.
He's done that, even publicly as recently as 3 months ago
I don’t understand how Jordan is surprised about this when he goes around spewing unscientific hate speech. Like, yeah your license is going to be in jeopardy because of your actions.
At the very least, J.P. is setting a terrible example for his students/patients/followers when it comes to communication. He seems to be angry all the time. It's all about being right and someone else is wrong. That's very unhealthy and gets you nowhere.
I always agree with your views Dr., but I also find that saying things like “religion is magical thinking” is being biased and potential harming to clients who identify as religious, only because it’s not supported by science. I’m appalled by Jordan’s statements, but we should be fair for both sides.
II appreciate your thoughts Dr Kirk. However, I think the issue of transgender identity has become a lot more complex in recent years, and I wonder if the science quite reflects that. While perhaps 10 years ago, gender affirming care would have made perfect sense for the handful of transgender persons who needed to transition, most of whom were typically in their 40's, this is no longer the case. The huge uptick in gender reassignment surgery, particularly in teenage girls, points to something else going on, and the backlash in Europe, with many gender reassignment clinics being shut down (being sued left right and centre because such surgeries are incredibly complex and mean a lifetime of medical care that nobody really warns them about, because they receive affirming care), is telling. While I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson's delivery on social media, as a highly decorated academic (he taught at Harvard for Chrissakes), I don't think he should remain silent about areas of his profession that he deeply disagrees with.
What is your training or experience with transgender people? And why are you trying to cultivate doubts about gender affirming care? Are you trying to claim that the science has somehow changed in the last 10 years? Where's the evidence of THAT? You cannot fight against the medical consensus by just saying *your contrary opinion* about something LOL.
JBP is in no way an expert in trans issues and/ or psychology. He is a run of the mill clinical psychologist with a focus on CBT and interpersonal relationships ( with research done in the area of addiction and the Jungian BS doesn‘t count)
"Imagine if you were a Trans client and wanted to see Jordan Peterson..." - then you really do have issues! Ha 😂
@saitama3795yes, most trans folks do indeed have gender dysmorphia. Guess what helps? Gender affirming care. ❤
Not to mention he has said he doesn’t take on clients anymore he goes around doing his speaking engagements, podcasts and interviews so
My worst fear is to end up with a therapist who holds his views. Yikes yikes yikes. He is without a doubt dragging down the reputation of psychiatry as a profession. Right behind Jodi Hildebrandt. Please do a deep dive on her 🙏
He's got a doctorate in Clinical Psychology. And no, I'd never go to him for therapy; he needs to heal himself; he's miserable and angry.
@@oksanaml9279That doctorate doesn't mean anything.
This is news to me. Can I just say how happy the video title makes me?
You’re sick that’s why
If he had a benzodiazepine addiction, it damages the frontal cortex of the brain where humans get their impulse control from, so this makes sense.
I can’t believe there was a time when I thought this man was innovative 😩😂😂 how he can’t see he has become unhinged. Reposting pics of plus size women with the caption “no this is not beautiful”, commenting on Elliot page and a slew of other useless tweets that are meant to harm people who have done nothing to him…. The definition of die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.
A bit of context here. Jordan Peterson's comments on gender affirmation are in relation to how it is presented to minors. The laws in Canada have moved in a direction where it gives a lot of power to clinicians to override parental consent. I know people who don't want to have kids because they fear they would have their children taken away from them if they disagree with the clinician. And a child could through their school interact with clinician without parents giving consent upfront in some Provinces.
I hope he stands by his conviction (…being that he will never comply with the order based on his principles)
And with THAT, personally and willingly revokes his own license…..but we all know that’s not likely. (Content and victimhood is the name of the game. Not actually getting his own house in order, and/or taking responsibility.
He’s a disgrace to the profession, (pandering a political agenda under the banner of psychology (and so called philosophy, which he has proved over and over to be unqualified and inconsistent in his understanding, and worse his projection and propaganda of his extremely biased ideology and rhetoric. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg he FLOATS on.
He’s a disgrace to Canada.
Would he just move to Florida already
I read the end of your comment just to see if you where a Peterson fan akkxksjxjjsjxj I’m glad you aren’t
I appreciate your perspective on this, as I’m very conflicted about this case. I’m not a Jordan Peterson fan, and I find a lot of his tweets and opinions extremely bigoted. That being said…..I am interested in where the line is drawn when it comes to a licensed professional talking about their personal beliefs. Peterson definitely seems to cross that line IMO, but I could see other cases that are less clear. For an extreme example, back when homosexuality was in the DSM, could a therapist lose their license for saying they don’t believe homosexuality is a mental disorder since that would go against the scientific consensus at the time?
Yes which is why I do not believe he is crossing the line. His broader point on people sawing off parts of their body as an identity is that children are being sterilized and teens hacking off their breasts in the name of gender identity before their identity and body are finished finished developing. He is trying to bring awareness to a dangerous path we are heading down. He has interviewed a teen who was swept up in this trans agenda and she no longer has breasts and has a deep male voice due to negligent adults. The doctor who removed this teenagers breast still has their license and probably still performing this surgery on teens. Where is the line? As much as doctors are allowed to perform these life altering medical procedures on children Dr. Peterson should be allowed to voice his opinion against this.
The line is only blurry to you because you're intentionally blurring it.
You're comparing the actions of someone who is *morally wrong* to the actions of someone who is *morally right*. You should really ask yourself why you're doing that. It's a choice. It would only appear the the same if you don't have a conscience.
Are you really not able to integrate the reality that people can be punished for doing both good and bad things? Taking the punishment away from people who do bad things in NO WAY helps protect people from being punished for doing good things. Do you know what actually protects people? Know what right and what's wrong and acting accordingly.
@@jnl3564 Don't attack people for asking good faith questions. Ad Hominem BS like that isn't dismantling an argument, it's trying to shame the person for daring to voice their concerns.
@emel3925 That's a difficult question to answer and really the only answer I feel confident about giving is "It's complicated, and not always applied consistently" It's also good to remember that psychology is VERY new still. By the time I took courses, Freud had already been thoroughly debunked and now most of the stuff I learned in school is being reexamined as well. Prejudice can have long lasting effects in any science or social science, and all of these were subjects pioneered by upper-class white men with a lot of education but not a lot of perspective. That bias is in every academic subject (for example, look at all those ancient artifacts that are so clearly dildos that spend decades being classified as religious artifacts b/c straight men couldn't imagine them serving any practical purpose . Psychology is constantly having to reexamine and challenge ideas, and often the line between "radical theorist" and "total nutjob" isn't clearly demarcated, especially when it's still mostly upper class white guys calling the shots. That's probably why despite Peterson doing some clearly unethical things, including spouting ideas that mainstream psychology has already thoroughly debunked, he still kept his license for a loooooong time.
Your question is hypothetical, but I have a good example from real history that might answer some of it. Dr. Henry Anonymous was a big spokesperson for the gay rights activism at the start of the 70s, declaring a lot of APA claims were way off base. He acknowledge he was gay and a psychiatrist. However, he only appeared to speak wearing a face mask, baggy clothes that hid his body shape, and a microphone that distorted his voice greatly. He knew the things he was saying could cost his job and maybe even his license thanks to the homophobia of the time, but at the same time he could speak on many of the very real flaws in how the APA was looking at and addressing homosexuality, and how those flaws end up hurting far more than they could ever help (an approach Peterson has sadly gone the opposite route with, ignoring the real experiences of the trans community and repeating claims long after they've been debunked). We now know his name was John Fryer, so he did get credit and could come out later in life. But it's always a risk to go against the mainstream especially if your exposing bigotry, but a GOOD argument can change people's minds eventually, whereas relying on rhetoric to induce fear will only ever be able to close minds. It's really interesting to compare the two (both were addiction specialists originally) and then contrast how different their methods were. Definitely highlights the different between the very real fear some face thanks to misinformation and the work needed to counter it vs the fame and spectacle that will always draw the more ego driven away from putting in the work needed to uphold any of the standards and ethics expected of their career choice.
Okay so these are the questions that come to mind from my point of view. The things Peterson are saying would be offensive to certain clients he would have coming in, but not all therapists can be everything to everyone. I’m not condoning anything he said but even if he didn’t say anything publicly online, he still shouldn’t be the one to treat for example a trans person because I’m almost positive he wouldn’t be the right fit for them. Even if he had never said a word online he still wouldn’t be a good fit for that person, and at least now if they saw the things he posted they would be sure he wasn’t the therapist for them instead of finding out face to face. I think with freedom of speech comes the right for your thoughts to offend others. It’s not pleasant and I don’t want to offend anyone, but in order to have free speech and thought you have to have the right to think things that might offend others. In my opinion not all therapists should be forced to be the same or approach things the same way. What if someone is a Christian and goes to someone who thinks all Christian’s are homophobic and bigots? That probably isn’t the right fit for that client. There should be regulations but not ones that seem to shoehorn people into only being allowed to think or speak in one way. There should be professionalism online but my thought process is, nobody can be everything for everyone and this falls into that category for me. Everyone should have a therapist to go to who will fit their world view and even if I don’t agree with your point of view you should have a place to go. Not all therapists should be the same or think the same because then you’re blocking a large amount of people from receiving care in a way they’re comfortable with. Again not trying to be controversial this is just where I’m coming from trying to see both sides and genuinely want to hear your opinion on this because I respect your opinion and thoughts.
Publically shouting hateful and bigoted speech against minorities is not an "well everyone has their flaws and everyone has a right to their opinion" kind of situation. LOL. This shows a serious flaw in his world view and moral bankruptcy. It's serious.
When I hear a politician saying "strong borders" I don't hear "I'm a racist" I hear national security and State integrity. Organize crime and terrorism are a constant threat and there must be strong surveillance of the borders. The race doesn't matter as long as people use the proper channels to enter the country. I also throw my critics to the internal processing of "Strong borders"..strong also should mean diligent and representative of the good will of the people of the United States...that means the inmigration system should be fair, intelligent, speedy, comfortable and and humane. I don't understand how "strong borders" is directly implying racism.
Not to mention that the current system of weak borders invites human rights abuse at every stage of the process, from trafficking to substandard and illegal work conditions for those that cross illegally.
I feel worried for JP, he is definitely a changed person from a few years back. He is much more angry now and like on the verge of a mental breakdown, but all the time. He reminds me of a close family member who had Bipolar Disorder. I think a complete Social media break is a good idea for my own mental health, and i need these breaks more often.
He definitely struggles with mental illness. Far more severe than the average struggling person.
I’m honestly more worried for the many many people who are hurt by the men who’ve been influenced by Peterson’s cleverly worded misogyny, transphobia, bigotry tbh.
Jordan Peterson was always terrible.
@@user-pq2nv7lt8n loads of people suffer from mental illness and aren’t misogynistic ass holes. Just saying. I think it’s more ideology meeting addict/narcissistic traits.
He has turned into jack of all master of none. I think Ben Shapiro bought him. Whatever Ben eats at night Jordan scoops in the morning.
I think a good lable for the personality trait you were describing about yourself besides flexible would be open minded. Two things many ppl need to become more of.
While I agree that Jordan Peterson has been reckless with his social media postings as of late, I believe he hasn't been a practicing clinician for several years. To him, this is a matter of principle and free speech.
I watch both you and Peterson extensively and respect both. I read twelve rules for life and it’s amazing. Jordan Peterson, at least to my knowledge, is not a hateful person and my gut tells me he’s simply not calling the BS on what he’s being persecuted for. Yes, a lot of people wouldn’t be as open about it on social media. I probably wouldn’t either, but the man has principles and he’s sticking up for them. I can see where both of you are coming from.
Well at least you’re getting two opposite viewpoints
Wow. Well, at least you are getting some dr honda to contrast the hate speech.
Agree .... I watch both and I like and don't like things from each. This video didn't go into any of his content just media headlines....
Screenshots posted online show the tweet in question from the Canadian clinical psychologist’s account, which reads: “Remember when pride was a sin? And Ellen Page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician”
@@lunalou8888 did you notice the '#1' part in the video title?
I liked Jordan Peterson in the past but he seems unhinged these days. In his vernacular- extremely disagreeable, volatile and red in his face with this bizarre rageful grin to the point I would be afraid if I had to interact with him in person and we had a disagreement. It seems he lost a lot of civilized inhibitions and has no problem with ragefully humiliating someone in public over an ideology.
I started listening to his college lectures a few years ago and enjoyed his insights. I thought he was brilliant. Then as he became more political I started to unlike his youtube videos so his content would not be recommended to me.
I love you, very intelligent, very informed, a true professional
Aw thanks, Jason. I love you too.
does he have to accept trans clients? I would imagine he wouldn't sign up to treat them in his practice. Wouldn't it be ethical to just allow him refer those clients to someone else, especially if they are seeking gender-affirming care ? Because it seems as if the science is unclear on whether gender affirming care actually does treat trans people effectively.
It's bad that the title brings a little smile to my face
Same :)❤
I have to admit, I can only watch this with a bag of popcorn
He doesn't treat patients anymore, he only wants to keep his license to give authority to his bigoted views. But yeah, sadly, if he does lose it he will do just fine. Look at Dr. Phil.
Stopped listening at 10:33... sorry, I disagree.
How open minded of you 😂
@@alisonf6478 I'm trying. Hey, at least i got over half-way! 😊
Theres more to him than a couple of headlines .... maybe have a deep dive of his actual videos... while i dont agree with everything he says, i do think he has some great content and also some that i completely dont agree with and i have the same with you but i dont write you off either ... i take the good from each person and be myself
Kinda sad and scary that there are fans of Dr. Honda who also profess to like JP in the comments. The man is a misogynist and a transphobe. And, he's just a weirdo.
Cognitive dissonance at its finest
I love Dr. Peterson ❤
I also love both of them and I don't agree that he is a misogynist at all. As a woman I have found tremendous support in dr Petersons works and it contributed strongly in healing my depression. I also don't think he is a transphobe, but I can see how that may be debatable. I hope dr Honda will review some of dr Petersons own stuff too and not just hearsay from media, because we all know they are more about dramatic effect that actual information. You may still not like him, but I promise you there's more behind him than media shows.
I'm one of those people, I've watched many of Peterson's lectures and I watch Dr. Honda daily. There's no need to agree with everything one or the other says to find value in their content and be helped by them, and feel grateful in return. I don't like Peterson's twitter, but his work has helped me structure my life. I don't agree with most of Dr. Honda's political views, but his work has helped me navigate my relationships.
@@Vanessa_S0 yea I have the same, one for structure and responsibility in life and one for relationships and being vulnerable.
A question has occurred to me. What is Ontario trying to do? They want Peterson to get media training, but why? So that he can lie better about his real views? How will this protect his clients? In fact, if anything, it will make it more likely for him to harm his clients because they will be less aware of what he really thinks. Clearly what they are doing is political, it has nothing to do with the wellbeing of potential clients. Notice, they are making no attempt to change his views, but only whether he expresses them publicly. It's a disgrace really, whatever your opinion of Peterson is.
This. Especially when the "science" does not separate gender from sex. It's just a newly proposed construct to which many do not adere to.
LOL I can't believe he's doing all this over a social media decorum training! What a baby 😂
@@triciat2855 he made a choice to try and uphold his license so he decided to comply with the policy of the governing body, cry about it lol,
@triciat2855 LMFAO wow I'm so surprised, yet another smoothbrain using words they don't even know the definitions of
@@triciat2855 guess what these are consequences of exercising your right to say what you want. Having the right to something doesn't mean you can't have consequences for exercising it - in terms of free speech, it just means you can't be jailed. But in Canada, we have hate speech laws so he doesn't have license to say whatever he wants in Canada anyways.
@@PinkCatsyEvery democracy is founded on free speech though. We have to allow folks to say abhorrent things in order for everyone to be free. Every dictatorship starts with banning speech.
It's not décorum training, it's a licensed board pushing their own political agenda and muzzling all dissenting voices. That's exactly how every single dictatorship begins.
Jordan Peterson is such a self-righteous, defensive person
holy toledo, I used to be a fan of the guy because he was so good at boundaries. but man, does he have bigtime anger issues, couldn't recognise them in him until I could see them in myself. I think the paradoxical disorder he had really affected him and hopefully he will be able to correct his course a little.
same here. used to be a fan (and in a way i still am - i admire some of the stuff he's done, his course on pinoccio, a couple of his books and a couple of his interviews), but now it's like... i don't recognise him anymore, if that makes sense. i mean you could suspect something was going on internally bc of how he seemed to put an emphasis on the notion of knowing yourself & your inner demons specifically. but then again we all have inner demons... yeah honestly this is just sad and i don't understand how we've ended up here
This is the thing…
I believe Jordan is a very bright, and extremely well educated person who sometimes speaks truths when it comes down to the psychology field, yet I don’t agree with his conveniently newfound right wing ideology (that made him and his family mega rich), which is ironic because he was a fervent admirer of Russian ideology and art (extreme left) before he became popular on RUclips, and Joe Rogan made him 20x more popular.
Jordan truly doesn’t need his license for his livelihood anymore, since he makes millions of dollars off of his tours, social media platforms, app, sponsorships, and other endeavors/investments.
He doesn’t need to practice anymore, so losing his license shouldn’t be a big deal, yet, losing his license would hurt his ego immensely (it’s obvious), because he worked hard for many years to achieve his academic degrees. At this point, to him, is about his ego and winning against the “extreme left” and his academia colleagues. It’s about creating drama, attention, controversy, because that = to lots of money on SM. The dude is clever AF, so don’t ever feel bad for him. He knows exactly wtf he’s doing. 🤓😬🥴😂
I think we need professionals to be able to speak up when they see dangers in society and not just 'go along'. We need them to be able to speak their mind. Otherwise, who else can sound a potential alarm if not an expert in psychology?
Trans people are not a danger that we need to be warned about. Check yourself
not if this alarm is not scientific - Peterson is on an ego trip, it’s all about himself and being 100% right 100% of the time - big red flag for a scientist…
@@djamilawilschke7259Everyone has to deal with ego and he often admits that he welcomes those that keep him in check. Generally though he finds the attention overwhelming and humbling and brings him to tears realizing how many people just need a little encouragement. Watch his recent interview with Piers Morgan.
Ego or not, that is no reason to dismiss someone a warning from with high credentials. Most of how the gender surgeries are performed are not fully developed. There are no studies that affirm benefit. If anything, in the UK a huge clinic had to shut down and is now facing multiple lawsuits for child mutilation. In the history of mankind, this is all very new and I think he is saying to take the foot of the gas until we can see good risk/benefit studies.
@djamilawilschke7259 That is really subjective. I don’t know what evidence you have to support that? Could it be possible you are misreading his passion for ego? Do his ideas threaten your ideas?
Been waiting for you to react to him for months now! Thanks for making this videos. He’s definitely been given a lot more credit than what he deserves while providing highly biased arguments supporting his own ideologies/personal values. It’s sad that people would fall for his pseudoscience and agenda cause it simply fits the narrative they wanna believe.
Spot on comment. It's like you see through his act or you're under his spell. The guy imo is nuts and transparent as a window
You said he's a known trans bigot? If this were true why didn't they take his license years ago? How can you be sure?
I would say you hit the nail on the head with the speculation that this gives him the opportunity to gain more attention, and a wider audience. This all feeds the monster, I'm afraid.
I mean, I guess most people won’t say it, but I think that Jordan Peterson is like a religious, conservative/political conservative, who is trying to impart knowledge to all people, but only considering a certain bracket of people, and then being surprised when it’s not received. Maybe he should just be a religious counselor, how about that? Because his lane of communication and expertise seems to be very very narrow and almost combative of how wrong his clients and his colleagues are. Maybe he’s just in the wrong field? 🤷♀️ maybe he’s looking to be an influencer opinion piece and not so much a professional.
As a matter of fact in his younger ages he had been inclined to build a church!
Love that you’re discussing this thank you!! ❤❤❤
It’s really weird anyone would be surprised that you try to be unbiased as a therapist. I’m pretty sure that’s a part of what being a therapist is supposed to be. 😂 That tells me that person has never been to therapy a day in their life. That’s the most basic knowledge about therapy and how it works. Maybe don’t go to a therapy channel if you want a drama channel take.
I love how people likes to complain about others who don't agree with them... just go to someone else who will agree with you.. it's not that hard people lol
It would be beneficial if you knew more about Peterson and his work via what people say about him. This could be a very insightful dialogue however not if you primarily prioritize information provided from a media witch hunt. To have a fair assessment on this, I suggest looking into Peterson, his work, and his direct words in full context before speculating. Losing his licence for having an opinion and worldview outside of the mainstream is not just; whether you agree with his ideology or not he did nothing unethical in his practice. By that premise, it justifies the very same people who reported you over not agreeing with your way of expression or point of view re: Depp/Heard.
Wouldnt justify the complaint Dr Kirk got because he (as advertised) uses his experience and education in psychology to make observations, while simulatenously behaving within the ethics required of his professional license, whereas peterson uses his profession and education to incorrectly miguide people to consider his opinions as facts. Dr Kirk has also reacted and watched peterson videos, you personally just havent seen them
I like a lot of what Peterson has done, but the way he acts on twitter is completely unacceptable. If he was simply expressing unpopular opinions that would be one thing, but the guy has developed a serious propensity for being a grade A asshole.
are we gonna ignore the fact that he sounds like Kermit