Divine Men in Antiquity

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
  • Jesus of Nazareth was hardly the only person in the ancient world who was said to be son of God (or a god), to perform miracles, and to have ascended into heaven. John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place will review the lives figures including Apollonius of Tyana, Alexander of Abonoteichus, Pythagoras, and others and consider the implications for how the earliest Christians may have understood Jesus as divine.
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Комментарии • 51

  • @amysutherland2242
    @amysutherland2242 Год назад +27

    Thank you so very much for taking the time to prepare and present these lectures.

  • @portville1979
    @portville1979 5 месяцев назад +1

    Love John Hamer's videos.

  • @darksaurian6410
    @darksaurian6410 Год назад +3

    It's like if I sent a copy of myself to read a thousand books and reason through all the nagging questions and filter it back at me in 90 minutes. This and History with Cy are my top 2 you tube favorites.

    • @RelivingHistory1
      @RelivingHistory1 6 месяцев назад

      Omg I just left a comment on cys newest video a few hours ago. Now I'm here and I see this comment. Is this a sign?? 😂

  • @VSP4591
    @VSP4591 Год назад +7

    Again, a briliant dissertation. Clear, concise and structured. Thank you John. You are giving so much to us. Again God Bless You.

    • @williamnutile2929
      @williamnutile2929 Год назад

      ​@@ghtbbfarts is a part of a hole. Wholey holes are not Holy. Opinions and farts.odious .
      Accept all as opinion without
      Odious is folly.,.
      It is a wise man who rules the stars and a fool who is ruled by them

  • @JohnFBurrows
    @JohnFBurrows Год назад +7

    Fantastic lectures- thank you

  • @26beegee
    @26beegee 6 месяцев назад +2

    John, You are an amazing historian in that you are such a good story teller. You make ancient history feel like it was just yesterday. Which leads me to wonder how it is you are still a believer? History and faith seem to be in such contradiction I don’t know how you,reconcile the two. Next to the hiddenness of God it was history that made it impossible,for me to continue to be a believer. How do you do it? (Not sarcastically asking but in honest curiosity.) Cognitive dissonance just wouldn’t allow me to do what you seem to manage with little conflict.

  • @markangelagirard9944
    @markangelagirard9944 Год назад +3

    This is my favorite youtube channel. Brings me back to my undergad days at UBC.

  • @eldraque4556
    @eldraque4556 Год назад +3

    excellent, thank you

  • @cariboubearmalachy1174
    @cariboubearmalachy1174 Год назад +2

    I've been really enjoying these lectures for the past several years but why oh why is it so hard to search for them on RUclips? When I go on the Centre Place page, under Videos, I only see choir parts. Then the Centre Place Lectures playlist isn't sorted chronologically, so I can't use it to to find the latest lecture. I'm subscribed, so new lectures appear in my feed from time to time, but there's no way for me to find any videos I might have missed.

    • @angelawossname
      @angelawossname Год назад +1

      Look under live rather than videos.

    • @cariboubearmalachy1174
      @cariboubearmalachy1174 Год назад +1

      ​@@angelawossnameThanks! That helps!

    • @angelawossname
      @angelawossname Год назад

      @cariboubearmalachy1174 no dramas, I still forget to search under "live" sometimes. It took me ages to figure out. You should also be able to see upcoming lectures under "live" and turn on notifications for them.

  • @frederickzorn3542
    @frederickzorn3542 Год назад +2

    It sounds like Mathew is fake good news.

  • @annwood6812
    @annwood6812 Год назад +1

    Great context! I'm going to listen once more so I don't miss one thing.

    • @longcastle4863
      @longcastle4863 9 дней назад

      I find myself always listening more than one time to these lectures. Some even up to three or more times. Once looking at the slides, the other times with my headphones on and my phone in my pocket as I do my chores or engage in my hobby of drawing.

  • @blazinchalice
    @blazinchalice Год назад +1

    Hit that like button, friends

  • @cae02
    @cae02 Год назад +1

    Love the lectures

  • @terriwake-ox8eg
    @terriwake-ox8eg Год назад +1

    Please do a history of Jewish participation in ancient Egypt.

    • @Lewis0615
      @Lewis0615 Год назад

      Great idea. A lecture on how each tradition impacted each other would be interesting.

    • @zipperpillow
      @zipperpillow 5 месяцев назад

      Short lecture. They didn't do anything in ancient Egypt.

  • @mestermiska
    @mestermiska 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks!

    • @centre-place
      @centre-place  7 месяцев назад

      Thank you for supporting the channel!

  • @Stadtpark90
    @Stadtpark90 Год назад +1

    “Pumpkinification” 😂
    Does it relate to Californication?

  • @juvegirlbe
    @juvegirlbe Год назад +1

    did I do something wrong? It's out of synch for me. Great lecture!

    • @ghtbb
      @ghtbb Год назад

      Nah its just a basement dweller that doesn't understand human history and wants to sound smart.

    • @longcastle4863
      @longcastle4863 9 дней назад

      Just start the lecture over again when that happens and scroll to about where you left off

  • @biln2
    @biln2 Год назад +2

    you have the best (most scholarly) lectures on the internet. i'm talking A augmented across the board, with the occasional typo. that said, the critical analyses seem to stop short when it comes to that idea that the first amendment is somehow codified in Christianity and that whatever political ideologies beg recognition in US politics somehow is miscible with any Christian doctrine of celibacy, modesty, and temperance. if the doctrine requires curtains and whispering and hushing, guarded by pride, it's not a parable we heard from Christ nor has any sect since that time holding such things divination permitted to pass on their dismal lineage. you're right that 1 Tim's rejection of women leadership undermines, further, its disingenuous claims of authentic expression of Christian doctrine. 2 Tim 2:15 commends you and banishes any further shaming. the most Christian line in Shakespeare is “get thee to a nunnery!” that’s a call for celibacy rather than political entanglements. even Polonius’s inept counsel had admitted that much. there is no first amendment on this planet if a bunch of disparate letters can be put together and said to represent the teachings of Christ. if we’re gonna help anyone get closer to God or suggest anything about godliness, we ought to help them and not resort to any solutions short of the soundest, most-authentic doctrines.

  • @Dominic-mm6yf
    @Dominic-mm6yf Год назад

    Fascinating talk,was St Mark originally a scribe employed by the illiterate St Peter?

  • @noahbody9747
    @noahbody9747 Год назад

    2nd video where the audio and video is way out of sync. Audio kicks in 16 seconds after video.

    • @FireEverLiving
      @FireEverLiving Год назад

      It's a problem with RUclips's process of re-encoding videos, I think. The last video fixed itself after a few days.

  • @Grey-Elder
    @Grey-Elder 8 месяцев назад

    How would one define god in a sentence?

    • @centre-place
      @centre-place  7 месяцев назад

      Can you define things like music, art, love, beauty, perfection, goodness, among others, in one sentence?

    • @zipperpillow
      @zipperpillow 5 месяцев назад

      I can do it in one word. Fake.

    • @longcastle4863
      @longcastle4863 9 дней назад

      @@centre-placeWittgenstein made it pretty clear that’s impossible. As all those words mean different things depending on the context we are using them in. Words rarely have just one use. Love your lectures 😊

  • @Stadtpark90
    @Stadtpark90 Год назад

    41:19

  • @crossman3940
    @crossman3940 Год назад

    A million ways to say its a load of crap

    • @longcastle4863
      @longcastle4863 9 дней назад

      I don’t think most people listen to these to find out, simplistically, whether this or that thing is true or not. I haven’t been a believer for over thirty years, but still enjoy the scholarship involved in trying to understanding these ancient texts-that continue to influence our Western way of thinking.

  • @jimmyjames7941
    @jimmyjames7941 Год назад

    If you don't have a historical Jesus and what he has done is the sine qua non of Christianity and devoid of that you have squat- no salvation and no hope! His life IS a historical claim and not merely theological

    • @longcastle4863
      @longcastle4863 9 дней назад

      Maybe it’s not all about the individual human living forever. Maybe it’s about us loving ourselves as a species so the species can go on forever..

  • @deborahdean8867
    @deborahdean8867 Год назад

    He drags his talk on and on, speaking very, very slowly.

  • @bonerici
    @bonerici Год назад +4

    One of your most ambitious lectures. Thank you pastor John

  • @tctc440
    @tctc440 Год назад +4

    Another Awesome Presentation !!! Thank You
    I don't think I ever became Enamoured with Jesus the Christ because of his MIRACLES.
    The 1st Time I heard Sermon on the Mount I asked - Who is that man ???
    I sincerely believe his Disciples were All DOUBTING THOMASes.
    Philip asks Show us the Father ...
    For some Unknown Reason they had their Doubts.
    Amazingly PAUL was the One with No Doubts lol
    My Favorite Gospel is JOHN. Seems more down to earth or forthright or understandable. John seems to have had a Personal Relation with Jesus.
    Thanks Again

  • @Kid_Ikaris
    @Kid_Ikaris Год назад +1

    I was listening to whoever the mad pastor who wrote the Passion Translation of the Bible. And he completely messes up a Star Wars reference during a sermon.
    This gentleman on the other hand uses Grogu as an eloquent way to illustrate his point.
    These are the scholars you are looking for 🫳