Thank you so much for your work! As a former Mormon, it was my study of ancient religion and early Christianity that caused me to question and leave. It is so important to get this historical information out there!
love this channel, I've been looking for something like this for a while, this type of information gives you a whole new perspective on life and human behavior
Please, please, PLEASE open the mic for questions at the end of the lecture. The audience keeps taking over the mic to ask nothing and give comments that break the rithym.
Here's how I see it... this isn't a podcast show or similar, done for your pleasure. The audience members are part of a community and through their donations they are likely indirectly paying for this. Interactivity is this audience' reward for their continued support... much like a superchat or patron question. This is more like a tutorial class, not a lecture or sermon. It's existence online is likely the same as an online church service... uploaded so that local community members who couldn't be there in person can see it. (and it's publicly accessible because why not?). Even if some of the questioners are self indulgent... having a negative attitude towards those that are directly paying for this content is a good way to drive them to a private Vimeo streaming service like a lot of virtual churches, and then we get nothing. Perhaps it would be better to ask for a reposition of the camera so we can see some of these audience members (maybe front row only, so the shy ones can still sit up the back). Instead of seeing the audience members as unwelcome interruptions, we can see them as humans and feel like a part of the extended community. On the occasions that the camera has been pointed towards them, they do seem like a great group of people. I'm not a member of this community, same as yourself, I'm on the opposite side of the world enjoying the content. I just don't think being overly critical of audience interactivity will net you the improvements you want. The interactively... the community aspect... is likely the reason the entire thing exists in the first place.
I have watched some of the lectures and found them very interesting. I just wish you could have one Q&A section at the end, or maybe brief one throughout. I find some of the interventions taking from the pace of the presentation and serving, sometimes, of very little.
Y2K. I was working as a bouncer at a pretty rough club and I remember spending extra time in the dojo in preparation for that night. I was expecting the apocalyptic minded customers to be extremely violent and desperate and yet when the night arrived it ended up being completely dead in the club. Even though it was a weekend there were no customers that night. Everyone was staying home. The night had a very strange energy but it was the slowest night of the year. The next night, after everyone realized that the world was going to keep on living was actually far more eventful.
I was working an overnight shift in an ER that night. Normal night except we had to have contingencies in case the computers went down. Short digression about ER cycles: For me, full moons were always interesting but all the really bad stuff happened on new moons.
I had just turned 11. For a few months before Y2k, me, my brother and my cousins had changed "house" to "Y2K survival" as our playtime, where we'd sit in the closet as our bunker, then go raid the kitchen for food to surive. Our oldest cousin led those playtimes, she must've been 15. What a funny memory now.
I had the misfortune to get a copy of that pamphlet on the same day as I was prepping to do a stand-up comedy set. Reading through this thing furiously and coming to the conclusion that the punchline is only at the expense of frightened people who are being taken advantage of. And I try to keep a policy of not punching downward.
When I was briefly involved in an American Evangelical Christian church, I was told John of Patmos was John the Beloved. They also believed that everything in the Bible was absolutely true, and their interpretation of it was the only one. It did not fit my mind and I left to explore the more inclusive philosophies and beliefs of the world.
This topic is very interesting. But I literally just can't watch this video all the way through. These people (and THAT lady) just won't shut up. I know it's a problem in most of these lectures, (except for those sweet online only ones from last year), bet seriously, the format of the lectures should really change to have a firm Q&A (or is it Comments&Agreements?) at the end.
he's wrong about the four horsemen. In order for them to be now, the text clearly indicates that those horsemen activities would be WORLDWIDE, not just here and there around the world.
To the question about the lack of Phosphorus in the soil. At our sewer plant we are selling our ash which contains large amounts of phosphorus back to a nursery to be incorporated into compost for usage.
They filmed part of The Day After in Lawrence, KS. There was a public gathering about it where the Mayor used the phrase "peace iin our time". I laughed and nobody else got it.
In desperation for some literature during the last year or so I went to RUclips for some audio entertainment . What is with the zombie apocalypse theme? There is a ridiculously amount of this stuff.
Great video, thank you... Shall we say if any one of these destructive events or scenarios; come to being implemented. You can know fore-handed in hands, some souls did not inform you so.
Are in person sessions resumed?I know this an old recording. I am just wondering because I would love to take a trip to Toronto just to attend this meeting one week
27:42 the obvious date for time travelers is always now (temporal narcissism) Wait: „2019 is the most important time right now“ - did he stop counting time with the outbreak of CoVid19? - when I am, it’s 2021, and I‘m watching it only an hour or so after this was uploaded... 30:22 the end of history is always now 52:48 besieged groups with inside knowledge... (conspiracy theories are self-reinforcing) 1:04:32 reading universal signs and thinking that they portend to You is again that fallacy of temporal narcissism / chronological centrism P.S.: I need to rewatch this lecture every year and feel called out: reading things into things is just too much fun. I really need the reminder, that the only time stories should be retrofitted to, is the very time they were written. - But I love doing the foolish thing: Retrodicting the deep prehistoric past (12000 years ago) with pretty much every story there is. One part of me (- that mainly comes out at night) really believes that all the stories tell of the same catastrophic event: the Flood, the fiery sword of Eden, Samson tumbling the Pillar after having turned the Mill (= both times it is about the axis of the Earth), the holy lance piercing Christs side (the water gushing out is Meltwater Pulse 1b, the lance an impactor on the North American Iceshield 😂); the whole story about death and resurrection is about human civilization, rather than one guy from Galilee. - At least Plato / Solon / the Egyptian Priest still knew what Atlantis was about… Boy do I love writing my own key to all the worlds oldest and most important myths. I know: it’s ahistoric, against logic and also cultural appropriation. But looking for patterns and finding them where they should not be still feels like finding something. I leave it to others to throw out the bad stuff and just keep the good. - I tend to keep everything: I‘m a hoarder. It’s such a shame we already have lost so much. It becomes more like recreating the flesh around the bones. - I hate when others do it with the sculpting of Neanderthals or the painting of dinosaurs, but irritatingly I love doing very much more speculative things myself with the retelling of the Cataclysm with every old symbol and myth. The authors of „Hamlets Mill“ thought, that the hints in the myths were all about The Precession of the Equinoxes. I disagree. I think something more dramatic happened: Samson („the little Sun“) didn’t sway the pillar: he brought the house down and the whole court = civilization died, as soon as his hair had grown back: a solar outburst from the active Sun (=long hair) leads to Earth Crust displacement. If I start naming names, the algorithm will delete the whole comment again.
Independence Missouri in Jackson County Missouri is a suburb of Kansas City Missouri. Kansas City Kansas is a different city in a different county, in a different state
so what would be the psychology or motivation for some one to write an apocalyptic prophecy or prediction ore believe the world will end? that is what he is talking about in the first half hour. HOWEVER, this time, i don't think he presents it well.
I just wanna hear him say "hey that's a really cool insight, I think you might be into something, that's a really interesting and unique analysis, thank you, now shut the fuck up I'm tryna talk about ancient apocalyptic nonsense"
The space elevator idea won’t actually work. In order to keep the space elevator in position, you have to accelerate the elevator car horizontally thousands of miles an hour. You can use a rocket for that. But that’s exactly what we use rockets for already.
I enjoy all your lectures. I appreciate your effort. "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six." Revelation 13:18 How do you explain this. Thank you.
Isaac Newton being an algebraicist used formulas in the Bible to predict the world would end no earlier than in 2050. Leibniz who did not know of this claimed Newton’s formulation of gravity was magical action at a distance…
the constant interruptions with questions or comments that are generally complete tangents make me skip lectures.. we are not even a minute and a half in and someone is already butting in.. please go back to how you were doing these during the pandemic.. questions at the end ...
AI robots haven't yet taken over. I wish they would, because I think they would do a better job than humans. Sasquatch mystery still hasn't been solved. The earth is not flat. Interesting study here.
It’s an enlightenment it’s an unveiling it’s not an end at all in anyway shape or form it’s a new Jerusalem can’t you just say that. You might see that an hour into his lecture
15:50 given what Mormons the to really help the property values, can y'all come back? Independence really needs the help, it's pretty methed up. Sincerely, A Kansas cityan
Careful when using the word Baby boomers as referring to those born shortly after WW2 in Europe especially the UK and Germany and other European countries, you have absolutely no idea. We Europeans were born out of apocalypse. In Germany women were paid to have babies because there were so few young people left after the war and UK was a bankrupt with every major city devastated after WW2. The UK spent the next 60 years until 2006 paying back a huge debt with interest to USA without which the UK would have been finished. Baby boomers is a term coined by Americans to refer to prosperous post war Americans not the offspring of survivors in bomb devastated Europe. Know your history and terms before speaking and do not make it all up!
I find it hilarious that this room full of people is crapping on religious zealots and conspiracy theorists for believing in various apocalypses, while intermittently bringing up their own pet apocalypse theory and even denigrating others for not believing in it. Canadians, lol 😂
It's pretty easy to crap on people believing in future apocalypses based on the Book of Revelation when you know they have done it for 2000 years, and Revelation was about Rome, and John was writing about his present day. It was never a book about the future. However, religious idiots are religious idiots, and those fools think everything is about them. It's the narcissism of the Evangelical that pushes this nonsense forward in every age, whether you are a Jehovah's Witness or whatever usually cultlike Evangelical sect you are in.
Not at all a dark topic. In fact, we have been in a slow burning apocalypse since day 7 of creation began. Numby gumby souls are only just realizing what has been coming for some time
You say on one hand that St. John was writing for his own time but then on the other "if you read the [so-called] actual text" (whatever that means) say he was writing about a time in the future when the four horsemen would cease. Because, as you said, they are present in his own time and ever since. So was he writing for his own time or for the end of the world? In your effort to prove Christians wrong, you only ended up agreeing with them...
The [so-called] actual text would be the oldest copy written in the original ancient Greek language. (Very badly written too, scholars agree. Full of grammatical mistakes and other errors.) He IS writing for his own time. It's a letter you see, addressed to seven church congregations in what is now Turkey. He's pointing out what each Church is doing wrong (like having a female preacher, who Paul says Jesus is gonna throw her down and have her raped) and that they all better correct themselves because The End is coming VERY VERY SOON. The rest of it, is a "vision" of that End that is coming VERY VERY SOON. And it uses very loose and easy to decode symbolism to talk about God/Jesus coming down and busting up the Roman Empire, murdering and eternally torturing everyone who doesn't 'believe' in Jesus, and then moving all the "good" Christians into a decadent golden (literally) city where they live in luxury and splendour. If you haven't read the actual text, you should maybe just go do that and then comment on it.
@@almsahrah You have no idea what you're talking about. You and so-called scholars have no authority to speak about that which you do not understand. The Holy Ghost has explained these to us. I'll take that over whatever YOU think. Maybe you should go read what God has said and stop listening to men... probably the better idea
@@bejeta7 So this is what Jesus has "told" John to write: Rev 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. Rev 1:4 To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Rev 2:1 To the angel of the church in Ephesus Rev 2:8 To the angel of the church in Smyrna Rev 2:12 To the angel of the church in Pergamum And so on. But there's this too: Rev 2:18 To the angel of the church in Thyatira Rev 2:20 ...I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. Rev 2: 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. Rev 2:22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering Rev 2:23 I will strike her children dead. So you can either go and actually read the book of revelation yourself, and make your own judgement, or you can adhere to what other men have told you it says. I dare you to read the Bible you say God wrote.
@@bejeta7 And if scholars who can read ancient greek agree that a particular document is written badly, what's wrong with that? They are uniquely qualified to understand.
The confidence you have in your a millennialist position is totally inappropriate. Your axiom is that John the revelator intellectually created the book of Revelation. The premillennialist axiom is the assumption that John (as well as all prophets of the Bible) had a visionary experience from God (who is the ultimate author of the entire Bible) that he is writing in an attempt to make sense of. Maybe he did think it was for his time only. Maybe he didn’t have any conclusion and was as baffled by it as we are by reading it. The sheer arrogance of your claim that your position is the simple objective case is extremely biased. There has been a millennialists and premillennialists debating within the church from the beginning and it is NOT a settled issue. Nobody knows what’s true and you should show more respect to your own ignorance. You really ought to open your mind.
Thank you so much for your work! As a former Mormon, it was my study of ancient religion and early Christianity that caused me to question and leave. It is so important to get this historical information out there!
are you a "Bot" channel? I checked your channel, and you have no content, nor any important info about your channel. your channel was started in 2011
@@lukeyznaga7627 exactly like your channel then
Just recently came across this channel it’s brilliant keep them coming thanks alot
love this channel, I've been looking for something like this for a while, this type of information gives you a whole new perspective on life and human behavior
Please, please, PLEASE open the mic for questions at the end of the lecture. The audience keeps taking over the mic to ask nothing and give comments that break the rithym.
I think you like that professors' salted rhythm renato challido
@@martind349 I'll take salted rythm over audiencie non-questions any day.
Here's how I see it... this isn't a podcast show or similar, done for your pleasure. The audience members are part of a community and through their donations they are likely indirectly paying for this. Interactivity is this audience' reward for their continued support... much like a superchat or patron question. This is more like a tutorial class, not a lecture or sermon.
It's existence online is likely the same as an online church service... uploaded so that local community members who couldn't be there in person can see it. (and it's publicly accessible because why not?). Even if some of the questioners are self indulgent... having a negative attitude towards those that are directly paying for this content is a good way to drive them to a private Vimeo streaming service like a lot of virtual churches, and then we get nothing.
Perhaps it would be better to ask for a reposition of the camera so we can see some of these audience members (maybe front row only, so the shy ones can still sit up the back). Instead of seeing the audience members as unwelcome interruptions, we can see them as humans and feel like a part of the extended community. On the occasions that the camera has been pointed towards them, they do seem like a great group of people.
I'm not a member of this community, same as yourself, I'm on the opposite side of the world enjoying the content. I just don't think being overly critical of audience interactivity will net you the improvements you want. The interactively... the community aspect... is likely the reason the entire thing exists in the first place.
I personally love the interactions from Shaheen and others. Especially after binge listening to every lecture uploaded.
@stroncal that's cool too
I have watched some of the lectures and found them very interesting. I just wish you could have one Q&A section at the end, or maybe brief one throughout. I find some of the interventions taking from the pace of the presentation and serving, sometimes, of very little.
i like the spontaneous interventions as the highlight John's grace and expansive knowledge
Y2K. I was working as a bouncer at a pretty rough club and I remember spending extra time in the dojo in preparation for that night. I was expecting the apocalyptic minded customers to be extremely violent and desperate and yet when the night arrived it ended up being completely dead in the club. Even though it was a weekend there were no customers that night. Everyone was staying home. The night had a very strange energy but it was the slowest night of the year. The next night, after everyone realized that the world was going to keep on living was actually far more eventful.
I was working an overnight shift in an ER that night. Normal night except we had to have contingencies in case the computers went down. Short digression about ER cycles: For me, full moons were always interesting but all the really bad stuff happened on new moons.
I had just turned 11. For a few months before Y2k, me, my brother and my cousins had changed "house" to "Y2K survival" as our playtime, where we'd sit in the closet as our bunker, then go raid the kitchen for food to surive. Our oldest cousin led those playtimes, she must've been 15. What a funny memory now.
I love your lectures, and usually can't wait to watch the latest release, but maybe I shouldn't watch this one right before bed.
I listen to these to help me fall asleep.
LOVE your lectures just wish could hold q and A till end of the lecture?
Wow, crazy how this was recorded right before COVID. We as human beings truly do not know the future and never have.
My Mom once gave me a pamphlet: "88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be in 1988".
I had the misfortune to get a copy of that pamphlet on the same day as I was prepping to do a stand-up comedy set. Reading through this thing furiously and coming to the conclusion that the punchline is only at the expense of frightened people who are being taken advantage of. And I try to keep a policy of not punching downward.
I remember that one.
This guy has so much patience . Is he a school teacher ?
When live gives you an Apocalypse, just enjoy the wonderful Apocalypso music!
When I was briefly involved in an American Evangelical Christian church, I was told John of Patmos was John the Beloved. They also believed that everything in the Bible was absolutely true, and their interpretation of it was the only one. It did not fit my mind and I left to explore the more inclusive philosophies and beliefs of the world.
I was in my late teens early twenties. My brother also became involved with a similar church and remained within, becoming a minister and author .
Of course pets have souls. It’s humans I’m unsure of.
Are you ok?
@@LKRaider still searching but so far so good.
The John who wrote the Gospel also wrote Revelation. Revelation was written in approx.65 AD, not 90's AD.
This topic is very interesting. But I literally just can't watch this video all the way through. These people (and THAT lady) just won't shut up. I know it's a problem in most of these lectures, (except for those sweet online only ones from last year), bet seriously, the format of the lectures should really change to have a firm Q&A (or is it Comments&Agreements?) at the end.
Another good talk. Thanks. Interesting point about the Four Horsemen being here *now*.
he's wrong about the four horsemen. In order for them to be now, the text clearly indicates that those horsemen activities would be WORLDWIDE, not just here and there around the world.
I remember, being yelled at for asking, If it's radiation, ¿what's the point ’in our dawning desks as our hats?
Thank u for doing these. I’m hoping a lecture dedicated to Emma Smith is coming - as I’m sure it would be a deep dive. 😊
To the question about the lack of Phosphorus in the soil. At our sewer plant we are selling our ash which contains large amounts of phosphorus back to a nursery to be incorporated into compost for usage.
They filmed part of The Day After in Lawrence, KS. There was a public gathering about it where the Mayor used the phrase "peace iin our time". I laughed and nobody else got it.
In desperation for some literature during the last year or so I went to RUclips for some audio entertainment . What is with the zombie apocalypse theme? There is a ridiculously amount of this stuff.
What is this picture of the four horsemen in the beginning?
A real apocalypse: The Next Carrington Event. The last time the only electricity messaging we used was the Telegraph.
Questions break up flow, plus some could be easily googled.
Could they be put at the end? Love your lectures minus questions.
Great video, thank you... Shall we say if any one of these destructive events or scenarios;
come to being implemented.
You can know fore-handed in hands, some souls did not inform you so.
Are in person sessions resumed?I know this an old recording. I am just wondering because I would love to take a trip to Toronto just to attend this meeting one week
We have resumed doing new lectures monthly, but we haven't resumed in-person lectures.
I like the presenter, but all the comments of random folk on live presentation are so annoying
I appreciate your channel and I enjoy your lectures.
27:42 the obvious date for time travelers is always now (temporal narcissism)
Wait: „2019 is the most important time right now“ - did he stop counting time with the outbreak of CoVid19? - when I am, it’s 2021, and I‘m watching it only an hour or so after this was uploaded...
30:22 the end of history is always now
52:48 besieged groups with inside knowledge... (conspiracy theories are self-reinforcing)
1:04:32 reading universal signs and thinking that they portend to You is again that fallacy of temporal narcissism / chronological centrism
P.S.: I need to rewatch this lecture every year and feel called out: reading things into things is just too much fun. I really need the reminder, that the only time stories should be retrofitted to, is the very time they were written. - But I love doing the foolish thing: Retrodicting the deep prehistoric past (12000 years ago) with pretty much every story there is. One part of me (- that mainly comes out at night) really believes that all the stories tell of the same catastrophic event: the Flood, the fiery sword of Eden, Samson tumbling the Pillar after having turned the Mill (= both times it is about the axis of the Earth), the holy lance piercing Christs side (the water gushing out is Meltwater Pulse 1b, the lance an impactor on the North American Iceshield 😂); the whole story about death and resurrection is about human civilization, rather than one guy from Galilee. - At least Plato / Solon / the Egyptian Priest still knew what Atlantis was about…
Boy do I love writing my own key to all the worlds oldest and most important myths. I know: it’s ahistoric, against logic and also cultural appropriation. But looking for patterns and finding them where they should not be still feels like finding something. I leave it to others to throw out the bad stuff and just keep the good. - I tend to keep everything: I‘m a hoarder. It’s such a shame we already have lost so much.
It becomes more like recreating the flesh around the bones. - I hate when others do it with the sculpting of Neanderthals or the painting of dinosaurs, but irritatingly I love doing very much more speculative things myself with the retelling of the Cataclysm with every old symbol and myth.
The authors of „Hamlets Mill“ thought, that the hints in the myths were all about The Precession of the Equinoxes. I disagree. I think something more dramatic happened: Samson („the little Sun“) didn’t sway the pillar: he brought the house down and the whole court = civilization died, as soon as his hair had grown back: a solar outburst from the active Sun (=long hair) leads to Earth Crust displacement. If I start naming names, the algorithm will delete the whole comment again.
This is from the backlog I think.
Yeah the date of this lecture was 4-30-19
It's probably just me but I have this Simpsons like vision that the hidden 'audience' are really just heads in jars with wires sticking out and stuff.
Futurama?
@@phinhager6509 Yes, am I right in saying they're both by the same artist?
Ah finally, my favorite topic.
Thanks 😊
would we ever get a lecture on Nietzsche and his Genealogy of Morality?
So... when's Apopalypiticon next year?
why cant we know about the book
Y2K: I know I worked my ass off to fix the problems before 2000/1/1 (and then made a mistake not waiting for 2000/2/29 before moving on).
Independence Missouri in Jackson County Missouri is a suburb of Kansas City Missouri. Kansas City Kansas is a different city in a different county, in a different state
Cool I was born in Minneapolis Minnesota 💖👍
All that phosphorus running out is just as bad as those saying the world will end in 10 to 20 years.
Would you consider covering the voynich manuscript
so what would be the psychology or motivation for some one to write an apocalyptic prophecy or prediction ore believe the world will end? that is what he is talking about in the first half hour. HOWEVER, this time, i don't think he presents it well.
I just wanna hear him say "hey that's a really cool insight, I think you might be into something, that's a really interesting and unique analysis, thank you, now shut the fuck up I'm tryna talk about ancient apocalyptic nonsense"
The space elevator idea won’t actually work. In order to keep the space elevator in position, you have to accelerate the elevator car horizontally thousands of miles an hour.
You can use a rocket for that. But that’s exactly what we use rockets for already.
I enjoy all your lectures. I appreciate your effort.
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six."
Revelation 13:18
How do you explain this.
Thank you.
Isaac Newton being an algebraicist used formulas in the Bible to predict the world would end no earlier than in 2050. Leibniz who did not know of this claimed Newton’s formulation of gravity was magical action at a distance…
the constant interruptions with questions or comments that are generally complete tangents make me skip lectures.. we are not even a minute and a half in and someone is already butting in.. please go back to how you were doing these during the pandemic.. questions at the end ...
Spaceballs has poa scene, too.
Greek translation is .,,,
Isn’t there another meaning/use for this word ?
I wonder when climate change will cause a reduction in the world food output.
what was that alien book called?
In ephesians
AI robots haven't yet taken over. I wish they would, because I think they would do a better job than humans. Sasquatch mystery still hasn't been solved. The earth is not flat. Interesting study here.
It’s an enlightenment it’s an unveiling it’s not an end at all in anyway shape or form it’s a new Jerusalem can’t you just say that. You might see that an hour into his lecture
"I don't we should promote the book". Lol
15:50 given what Mormons the to really help the property values, can y'all come back? Independence really needs the help, it's pretty methed up.
Sincerely,
A Kansas cityan
Watch global-ice-cap; we won't see three years.
Like Ni.
Careful when using the word Baby boomers as referring to those born shortly after WW2 in Europe especially the UK and Germany and other European countries, you have absolutely no idea. We Europeans were born out of apocalypse. In Germany women were paid to have babies because there were so few young people left after the war and UK was a bankrupt with every major city devastated after WW2. The UK spent the next 60 years until 2006 paying back a huge debt with interest to USA without which the UK would have been finished. Baby boomers is a term coined by Americans to refer to prosperous post war Americans not the offspring of survivors in bomb devastated Europe. Know your history and terms before speaking and do not make it all up!
revelation is prophecy in mmxxii = 2220
I find it hilarious that this room full of people is crapping on religious zealots and conspiracy theorists for believing in various apocalypses, while intermittently bringing up their own pet apocalypse theory and even denigrating others for not believing in it. Canadians, lol 😂
It's pretty easy to crap on people believing in future apocalypses based on the Book of Revelation when you know they have done it for 2000 years, and Revelation was about Rome, and John was writing about his present day. It was never a book about the future.
However, religious idiots are religious idiots, and those fools think everything is about them. It's the narcissism of the Evangelical that pushes this nonsense forward in every age, whether you are a Jehovah's Witness or whatever usually cultlike Evangelical sect you are in.
Not at all a dark topic. In fact, we have been in a slow burning apocalypse since day 7 of creation began. Numby gumby souls are only just realizing what has been coming for some time
You say on one hand that St. John was writing for his own time but then on the other "if you read the [so-called] actual text" (whatever that means) say he was writing about a time in the future when the four horsemen would cease. Because, as you said, they are present in his own time and ever since. So was he writing for his own time or for the end of the world? In your effort to prove Christians wrong, you only ended up agreeing with them...
The [so-called] actual text would be the oldest copy written in the original ancient Greek language. (Very badly written too, scholars agree. Full of grammatical mistakes and other errors.) He IS writing for his own time. It's a letter you see, addressed to seven church congregations in what is now Turkey. He's pointing out what each Church is doing wrong (like having a female preacher, who Paul says Jesus is gonna throw her down and have her raped) and that they all better correct themselves because The End is coming VERY VERY SOON. The rest of it, is a "vision" of that End that is coming VERY VERY SOON. And it uses very loose and easy to decode symbolism to talk about God/Jesus coming down and busting up the Roman Empire, murdering and eternally torturing everyone who doesn't 'believe' in Jesus, and then moving all the "good" Christians into a decadent golden (literally) city where they live in luxury and splendour.
If you haven't read the actual text, you should maybe just go do that and then comment on it.
@@almsahrah You have no idea what you're talking about. You and so-called scholars have no authority to speak about that which you do not understand. The Holy Ghost has explained these to us. I'll take that over whatever YOU think. Maybe you should go read what God has said and stop listening to men... probably the better idea
@@bejeta7
So this is what Jesus has "told" John to write:
Rev 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Rev 1:4 To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Rev 2:1 To the angel of the church in Ephesus
Rev 2:8 To the angel of the church in Smyrna
Rev 2:12 To the angel of the church in Pergamum
And so on. But there's this too:
Rev 2:18 To the angel of the church in Thyatira
Rev 2:20 ...I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet.
Rev 2: 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling.
Rev 2:22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering
Rev 2:23 I will strike her children dead.
So you can either go and actually read the book of revelation yourself, and make your own judgement, or you can adhere to what other men have told you it says. I dare you to read the Bible you say God wrote.
@@bejeta7 And if scholars who can read ancient greek agree that a particular document is written badly, what's wrong with that? They are uniquely qualified to understand.
Checked out after minute three’s climate change rant-he’s going to go on about failed
apocalypses, but THIS one’s REAL!!
0:27-"You bastards."
Hey, hey, the show starts out with the Chicken Little "No, the sky REALLY is fallling!!" claim about the Green Apocalypse of Global Warming.
Climate change .... Give me a fuckin break.
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Why is any criticism of Christianity ALWAYS leftist? ...?
Lefties /marxists hate Christianity. They see the state as their god.
just 2min in and, "human made climate change" talk already? then this is not my kind of channel.. best of luck!
The confidence you have in your a millennialist position is totally inappropriate. Your axiom is that John the revelator intellectually created the book of Revelation. The premillennialist axiom is the assumption that John (as well as all prophets of the Bible) had a visionary experience from God (who is the ultimate author of the entire Bible) that he is writing in an attempt to make sense of.
Maybe he did think it was for his time only. Maybe he didn’t have any conclusion and was as baffled by it as we are by reading it. The sheer arrogance of your claim that your position is the simple objective case is extremely biased. There has been a millennialists and premillennialists debating within the church from the beginning and it is NOT a settled issue. Nobody knows what’s true and you should show more respect to your own ignorance. You really ought to open your mind.