For anyone curious, Lars Mikkelsen (Thrawn) was also the actor for Russian President Petrov in House of Cards. This role in Ahsoka must have felt right at home for him, as both roles saw him playing a intimidating, dangerous and cunning thug in a seat of absolute power. His mannerisms and stature fit these roles naturally.
The fact that Thrawn said to Morgan, who's this jedi? Tell me everything about her and her master had me excited to see Thrawn's reaction to Ahsoka being Anakin's padawan and to see how that interactions going to play out.
@@DarthSharpEven If Padme had mentioned her name to Thrawn, this would of been like 30 years ago. I know Thrawn is a genius, but I’d be shocked if he could remember the name some random girl briefly mentioned to him 30 years ago lmao
I don't know what is was, but something about Thrawn's Stormtroopers, namely the cracked, dirty armor, made them look so much more intimidating than regular stormtroopers
I know I’m like these troopers look like they can aim 😮🔥🔥 especially with the mis match helmets and little trims of gold on some of the troopers is so cool!
@@SoldierSpiderxI feel you on that but imo it’s probably gonna be well earned because even when she was in the cell and she tried to open the door and we see the crumbling from the walls and I was like nahh not yet and yep not yet lmao I think it’s gonna happen at a very pivotal moment or heck it might not happen at all it could very well be a moment where she absolutely tries and fails and someone dies and through that trauma she might actually unlock her abilities and Ashoka has to slow her down because she was channeling the darkside, very much like Naruto anime when an uchiha unlocks there special eye the sharingan only happens when they suffer a terrible trauma
@@Thisguy2532that would be way better cause I think she going do the force when she need someone or she save herself and it either going be cringle as hell or earn and that I would that way better that she try used the force to save someone and that person died and she end up tap in the dark side of the force
I don’t want to get overhyped like a Star Wars fan, but thrawn asking about Ashoka’s background including her master excites me. Thrawn knew anakin, knew Vader, and knew Vader was anakin. And if there’s a chance we get a flashback of thrawn and one of them (unlikely) I’ll die.
So is it me? Or is Shin like... The best padawan?! She isn't brash and forward like Obiwan... Or Arrogant and dismissive like Anakin, she listens to her master. And Baylan, He is the master "Jedi" that fans wanted... Strong, passionate, and stoic. He is reserved, and when he speaks you listen, and what he has to say matters.
Well maybe cause she hasn’t been trained as rigidly as others. She never got training from the Order and Baylan isn’t a Sith, so she’s not getting the super oppressive and abusive treatment either. She also does clearly have an arrogance issue, she really *really* wanted to gloat to Sabine before killing her and was clearly furious when Sabine got the better of her.
I am absolutely loving Kevin Kiner's music for the series. I am so glad they got him for live action. He's a genius. Although I loved Mandalorian seasons 1 and 2, this show is my favorite so far. Filoni has brought beloved animation characters to live action successfully.
they need the ichor of Dathomir to make an undead move. they are notably just feral zombies and there are many limitations, including that when the preson that conjuring them dies, they all just collapse. also even the mother died.
@@squattingheads i dont know how anyones scared by him. like dude looks and acts like a cali ceo. maybe its just past fans rewriting from headcannon but all i got was softspoken flabby dude
@@Senorbenignhillarityhe isn’t scary in a vader why that’s not what makes him scary, he’s scary in the same way Saw is, cold old and cunning, b/c someone who holds all that power as just a normal person has earned it! And he has with his anything for victory mindset and above everyone’s head level of thinking
If Balen is to be re cast (assuming he survives),how about Rory McCann who played the hound in Game of Thrones taking over the role. He has the physical presence, is in the same age range, and we know he can play deeply cynical but ultimately caring characters.
@@nickferguson1998 Yes. Graham would be a perfect reacting choice. He looks very much like Ray, and is a great actor. It's a shame we have to talk about this though.
Yeah his uniform is clearly WELL worn. Hes probbaly only got a few. Im not sure how many wears you can get before it starts getting baggy and loose :P@@yungsteezy
I'm 100% with Alex, the "Cargo" that was being loaded onto the hyperspace ring did look awfully casket shaped/sized, it would make perfect sense for them to be bringing a bunch of dead sisters or Zabracks (Darth mauls people) who are also closely tied to the Night sisters as priorly both had their homeworld as Dathomir.
Because he realizes the tremendous stupidity of that. That "balance" thing is Joe simply writing for Filoni, no one, no fan is right now getting a similar conclusion of what the point or lesson of the last episode was because it wasn't. That hole ep 5 was MASSIVE fanservice with no meaning or impact on the actual story. When you put that episode under proper scrutiny, it falls apart into pieces. It was nice to get Hayden back, but it was a very poor way to get him back. Filoni simply isn't up to that level of writing.
@@danyknight9107how was anikan not the balance? Its widely accepted among serious fans the Jedi had to be brought down and for me at least I feel Qui-gon knew that
@@Paulfromwish I dont understand you so called, "serious fans." So you're saying that balance of the force was bring down the Jedi? So the Sith lords could take the republic and turn into an empire. Gain more power and to use the force selfishly. Create a dictatorship that enslave people. Create a death star to blow up entire planets to enforce their rule. Create a government run like nazis. And left the galaxy in darkness. That's what made Anakin the chosen one? That's what bringing balance is?
What really struck me was the use of kintsugi on the trooper armour. The Japanese practice of using gold to fill in gaps from broken items, to allow them to be used again. I thought it was a real cool metaphor for Thrawns admiration for art and history, whilst also having a practical application; isolated and unable to replace equipment it retains capability. Would it be too much to think that Bendu could play a role here? Thrawn was visibly shaken by his encounter with it, an unknown that was beyond his understanding. I’m intrigued tbh! Can’t wait for the next episode.
@@Fadaar idk, that was heavily suggested not by the font used for the show so I was pretty much expecting it to appear at some point or another. Who knows, it’s pure speculation but I’m curious what could cause nightsisters and Thrawn to be like “yeah we need to gtfo”.
@@Fadaar Indeed. Rebels was a cartoon after all, and they did a lot of silly stuff that wouldn't fly on live action. Bendu was probably one of those so I highly doubt we'll see him as he was in the show. (Also why would he be in another galaxy at all?)
@@CesarDaSalad Can you imagine if Bendu after what happens in rebels season 3 goes to a whole other galaxy and is like ah peace at last and months later Thrawn and Ezra show up and he's just like why me.
So wait, Ezra was that close to the Nightsisters, they can take notice of Ahsoka's approach in the Space Whales but couldn't locate Ezra🤔. Also why did the Nightsisters identify Sabine as a Jedi when she can't even use the force?
Ezra could have cut himself off similar to luke. Sabine is unable to use the force but force users can sense it within her which is just another way of telling you she has enough in her but she cannot access it because she has no training and balance.
I understood it as they can sense a presence but maybe not necessarily pin point that presence. They knew Ezra was there and could sense that but they just couldn't figure out his exact location. I could be just trying to explain away a plot issue though 🤷♂️
@@aribeck4298 No that's actually pretty valid, the Nightsisters aren't GPS lol, even Mother Talzin couldn't specifically pin point where Darth Maul was...
Sabine didn't actually block a shot with the light saber. Alex is getting old and misremembering 😂😂 She blocked shots with beskar... Alex hatred for Sabine has clouded his judgement!! 😂
*Lars played Thrawn perfectly! (I know he did the voice in Rebels, but to see it in Live-action is truly something legendary.)* Another banger of an episode 🔥
@@beg4mercy890it's been 10 years he's going to age a little bit and it's not like he's completely unlike the character he still has the same mannerisms and intelligent, calm personality he's a real threat unlike Palpatine were he got defeated by Ray somehow like why did he keep electrocuting himself why did he not stop using the lightning like why
@@beg4mercy890 So many people making excuses for Thrawn being fat and having a receding hairline lol, as if Disney couldn't afford to give the actor a personal trainer and a gym membership. Just utter laziness.
Thrawn's clothes being immaculate compared to the Stormtroopers armour having been repaired and patched up haphazardly so many times was such a cool visual.
Thrawn's clothes do have frays and worn spots on them that you can see in close ups. I think I like the idea more that as much as Thrawn tries to keep up an immaculate appearance, he cannot completely hide the toll the years of exile has taken on him.
It would be a wild card but Alexander Skarsgård is 6,3 just like Ray and has a great screen presence. He’s a bit slimmer and ten yrs younger but I think he could pull it off. Jeffrey Dean Morgan looks a bit like Ray. He’s a bit shorter but not by much and the guy can definitely act..I’ve got no idea if he can do the accent though.
Everyone is asking whether these stormtroopers are undead, but aren't asking what killed this many of them. I wonder if this is going to hint of the return of the Yuuzhan Vong.
This. They were clearly in battle with something, lost troopers and the ship was visibly damage repaired. The night sisters are also clearly scared of something on that planet.
It’s not well explained, but I think the implication is that the Purgill showing up in the Mandalorian, and then the events in Ahsoka, is that we are seeing a rare migration of Purgill that only happens every (however long Ezra has been gone). That’s why they are all there, and that’s why they all are going to Peridea. It would have been cool for that to be explained better.
best they can do for Baylan Skoll and Shin Hati is to continue their story in animation form. They can recast using a voice actor while they look for a real life replacement for Baylan. If for some reason they cant find someone to replace Baylan, I guess they can finally write the Baylan character off before the movie comes out. Also what would turn Shin Hati to the good side would be Baylan death in the hands of Thrawn or the Night Sisters
I wouldn't say it would turn shin light side. If anything it might make her more dark. She would probably be fueled by anger over the death of her father errr I mean master, especially if it was thrawn or whoever.
I was thinking the same thing, and coincidentally they have the perfect device for this. Tales of the Jedi. Maybe S2 can be a combined telling of his story before Ahsoka, and then after the events of Ahsoka. That is if he lives. This way, they can organically close out his story if need be.
And for those that have been living under a rock, just a reminder that Lars Mikkelsen is the younger brother of Mads Mikkelsen. Like the Skarsgard's from Sweden, the Mikkelsen's are an acting family from Denmark with titanic amounts of talent - Lars, Mads, Henning are all actors while Lars and Mads's mom is a costumer and wardrobe artist. And any Star Wars fan can tell you some of the most memorable characters have been those played by Mads Mikkelsen and Stellan Skarsgard.... and now we have Thrawn played by Lars.
I swear Alex is the definition of THAT guy you hate at parties. "Every party needs a pooper thats why they invited you, Party pooper. Party pooper" - Super Kami Guru
Question: Is it just me or is the music of Ahsoka just incredibly reactive to the scenes? I feel that the orchestra is sitting watching the episode adding the music live. So good, so addaptive and alive. Fantastic.
Music is amazing ❤ I agree with entirly. Thrawn theme is amazing too. And when he marched that cyber orchesta theme just nailed it! Ahsoka is amazing series and them focusing on soundtrack is something that new movies avoid to do. I love it❤
My nit pick is definitely how small the galaxy comes across……. Plus it doesn’t help how small the planet itself felt. Was Ezra just chilling a few miles away ? I hope they at least mention some other planets that exist in this galaxy and maybe some of the power/political structures there. Obviously can’t get into too much exploration of it but a little exposition would help give it life instead of it feeling like just another planet…. (Unless maybe they’ll save all that for a new trilogy, the one we deserve lol)🤞
I agree that the planet felt too small, but I doubt we explore this new galaxy. The point is they basically pop in, pick up thrown, than leave, they aren’t spending more time than they want to. What I think they MIGHT do is set up for the future to revisit this galaxy tho and actually explore it now that we know it exists.
100% agree. Missed opportunity having a true journey for Sabine. All these references of films like neverending story labyrinth, etc and all those in the 80's had more adventure and world building than this big budget Disney ish. I'm not saying I'm not enjoying it more than anything most Disney right now but our expectations are obviously very very low these days when it comes to creative original content and adventure. 😢
The writers won't explore this new galaxy I guarantee that, just like they didn't explore the crime underworld in Boba Fett. Apart from Andor, character exploration and theme exploration in Disney Star Wars is very surface level.
I really hope they get Timothy Zahn (who created Thrawn character) to work with Dave Filoni that way we get the perfect character and the most faithful Heir to the Empire adaptation as possible! Maybe even see a certain Redhead purple saber wielder 😉...
I think Alex opposes many thematic choices that are thing established from rebels which he said he has no background knowledge of. Some of his points are fair but you can’t expect a show that is lead by established characters to not use and build upon established lore.
Im just hyped to see a followup movie series with Thrawn. I'm hoping we get that. This episode just has me soo hyped. Thrawns return with his night troopers was soooo good.
The experience is so different when you didnt watch rebels and your not theory crafting . If you just watch this series the pacing is real bad and dialog is almost non-existant. This show really needed a script doctor to make these character 3 dimensional, instead of just relying on seasons of rebels.
Basic competence? Where? Go open up the episode right now, go to the 21 minute mark, and play Sabine's line: "If you survived I'm sure he's doing just fine." Could her actor have delivered that line worse if she had tried to? Just as an example for how not 10/10 this episode was and this show is.
I wish joe let alex go on when he was talking about continuity issues in star wars. We should not 100% have to watch a cartoon to understand what is going on. (As great as this show is) . You have to wonder just how fucking confused the casual audience is in this show.
I've watched every Disney + Star Wars show and all the movies but never watched Clone Wars or Rebels. There is no emotional impact for me with this characters. They should have done a better job through flashbacks or exposition to show why i would care about Ezra, Sabine, etc.
I dont understand why Joe is Simping so hard for this show. Because they sprinkled some "member Berries" and choclate chips over this turd that is the script does not make the show Good or smart. Star wars will never be back, if they keep needing to refer previous ideas and movies just to get your thumbs....up??? Making Sabine a upcoming Padawan / Jedi / Mandalorian is just dumb, and the meeting between Ezra and Sabine not getting the characters to figger out first if they had or was a thing or if Sabine and Asoka was a thing... honestly. I respected Joe's opinions but this is just dumb.
It's not as good a show as Andor but I could argue it's a better star wars show than Andor. Both fill different roles and scratch different itches for me.
@@Sam-jx8tv you can argue that but I would only let it slide because Andor makes a point to not include a SINGLE mention of the Jedi or the force, so yes there is clearly an itch that we need other shows to scratch, that is the only reason I'll let you have that cuz otherwise Andor is so far above asohka I could not reconcile it lol. Andor is objectively a better show in every way otherwise
I can see past Thrawn being kinda chubby, the guy is like 68-70 years old at this point in time. He still looks pretty good for his age, especially for someone who is stranded billions of lightyears away from home with only a busted up ship, a legion of possibly dead stormtroopers, and Enoch with his Roman funerary mask. I'm confused why there weren't any navy personnel/officers seen either, since there are more of those guys on star destroyers than storm troopers so it's odd they aren't seen in the crowd, maybe we'll see them and it's going to reveal they are actually undead or show that there was a mutiny and there was a disagreement of some sort which made the storm troopers fight with the remaining navy personnel
I haven’t watched rebels yet and don’t really know much lore but just the presence thrawn brings is chilling, he demands everyone’s attention without even raising his voice and when he asks for background on Ashoka that gave me chills. Its so cool how his troopers are these broken and decrepit versions of the clean trooper armor we normally see. It adds this contrast between thrawn and his soldiers that builds this unease with him and I love it. Also making baylan and shin have this mysterious arc, its so interest. Also the interaction between Ashoka and huyang was great.
I hope we get to see the Yuuzhan Vong in this series Thrawn was ready to dip so fast and when he said I've already lost too many forces I got so excited no one's ever put him in a position of fear.
So in an entirely different galaxy , on a huge alien planet , sabine finds ezra in less time than it takes me to clean my appartment and go to the local shops . Hera, sabine and ahsoka act like theyre on valium or have long covid .
To be fair, A) they only have 8 episodes and B) Thrawn literally gave her their "last known location" for Ezra and likely Ezra would be close by anyway due to proximity (he basically fell out of the star destroyer with no vehicle transportation) as well as likely trying to keep an eye on Thrawn. While yes, the simplified concept is totally true, I think there's other reasonable factors that exist to explain it.
Calling it now, in the last 3 mins of the last episode, Boba Fett rocks up on the slowest moving space moped, 360 no scopes Thrawn and then hovers awkwardly away. Hit to end credits, you heard it here firs.
Come on! Really? Star Wars is back? Ahsoka brought star wars back? Ahsoka isn't horrible or anything like that but saying this saved SW giving it too much credit.
10/10 y'all crazy as fuck. I'm gona say 7. The Ezra reunion wasn't even just "muted", it was absolutely fucking stupid if you stop to think even for a second.
.....there is a msallll problem they are all dead dude. aside for some stragglers, the night sistesr were massacred by the seperatists, by general grievous. The mother herself survived but she either died failing to get some force power from another, or died saving maul in the comics. so how the fuck are they here and how are there so many? they are part of a hybrid/sub species of zebrakk and all their dudes would be back on dafomir.
think about for a sec,there is a reason the purrgils die there and hav e aring of death around,they sacrifice themselves to keep an evil on the the planet....
@@taddad2641this is the ancient homeworld of the nightsisters and I believe the things in the crates that they want thrawn to transport are the dead nightsisters that then they will take back to dathomir and resurrect. That would be part of their deal.
@@taddad2641 the episode explains how they are here. It’s their ancient home world. They came from here originally on the star whales. This is where it began for the ancient Dathomir.
@@BeeruspvmI think it’s real and he’s in the world between worlds it only makes sense since in the cartoon he was destined to be the balance of the force the father
The gold armor on the troopers is a reference to the art form called Kintsugi. It’s done by repairing things with gold. I thought that was pretty cool.
The ship lowering its hanger over the tower was a badass thing to do. I lost my self when I saw blue Elon musks walk into scene but over all I’m excited as hell for the thrawn movie
@@CodyL100 i thought several times that the scale was off. the tower of the witches was way to small compared to the hangar with all the troopers together. Same with the landing ship. When it landed it looked way to small compared to the scenes when we see everyone in it.
@@markusmoller8653how is that sort of a complaint it was still a cool scene and we haven't seen the full ship yet and half the crew is probably dead so it makes sense for him to not have an army
This episode really made me think they could have made the sequel trilogy based on a powerful enemy coming from this galaxy to invade and be an enemy to the new republic. They could have had new styles of enemy with new designed soldiers/crafts, new ways of wielding the force and been a real threat. If you wanted to include some of the nostalgia you could have had Luke rebuild a version of the Jedi order and be the guide to some new Jedi fighting against the invasion. Good writers could have come up with a compelling reason for why they wanted to invade and built new stories around that. The way Baylan was talking about the power he felt and he could have been the catalyst for bringing them to the galaxy. Also the new republic could have shown that despite some flaws, they we’re uniting planets and things were working ok until they had a new fight on their hands. Instead we are stuck with a rehashed story with the empire mk2 and bringing tired villains back from the dead. I feel the only way to build a new story now is to leave Ahsoka and co in this new galaxy where they have a blank slate to start fresh.
the original Thrawn & Yuuzhan Vong books could have easily been their own trilogies. almost like they had a blueprint sitting there since the 90's but no, they had to go make up some dumb shit instead. doesnt help that they waited WAY too long to do a sequel trilogy with how hard the old books leaned on the OT characters, they would have had to do the sequel trilogy instead of the prequels (ie 1999-2005 timeframe) for those to work without major character changes.
Agree 100%……. I’m hoping that maybe we kinda get that but set in this new galaxy instead since they already botched the other one lol….. Use this new galaxy as a type of soft reboot or something like that….
Yeah part of me is hoping they stay in this new galaxy, maybe find some other planets there. Narratively the main galaxy is in a dead end. It’s boring af after all this build up and world building in these shows the story is just going to revert to “plucky rebels vs Palpatine and his big empire and death stars” again. It’s pretty obvious Disney regrets not doing Thrawn as the Sequels big bad
Soon as you said who should play him. I thought it and you said it. Liev Schreiber. They should recast, assuming the character survives the story. Ashoka gives me a new hope for the future of starwars
The thing that bothers me so much is that in the sequels they state that there hasn't been a war for 30 years since Palps "died". That means that Thrawn is either not going to return to the galaxy or die in a really underwhelming and pitiful way. Either that, or Disney are going to make the sequels non-canon (which I really cannot see them do, since it would be admitting failure). I'm concerned how this is gonna play out for Thrawn and feel the character won't be done justice.
The witches were founded by an Exiled Jedi. I think They're going to explore the lore of this exiled jedi. "This Allya was a rogue Jedi, the Old Republic did not want to execute her, so the Jedi exiled her, hoping that given time she would turn away from the dark side." LUKE SKYWALKER Allya was a female Human rogue Jedi Knight of the Old Republic. She was expelled from the Jedi Order and exiled to a penal colony on Dathomir. Encountering the other former exiles, she used the planet's strong life energy to teach the colony's women to master the Force. These women became the Witches of Dathomir and Allya was their founder.
are we still doing this braindead thing of "balance between dark and light"? How do these people not understand that the jedi were the balance. You have to be in peace with yourself to be spiritual powerful and use the force for good. THAT was the original massage and what we should aim for.
@@squattingheads Legends was the same exact way up until a point where it worked it to how you said, but unfortunately the problem came back with The Ones with the Clone Wars and now the writers just seem genuinely confused and unsure what to do. But tbf this is a problem that came before Disney. Edit: Ig maybe not if you interpret it as Anakin deciding to leave Mortis disrupted the balance and he became Darth Vader as a result. Still a stupid plot device though like you said.
I think Sabine is being played pretty well. I’m rewatching rebels alongside this. Any time Sabine has any character development in it, she’s always resistant and closed off first, especially when she was training with the dark saber. And a lot of her decisions in Rebels were motivated out of her feelings for others, like destroying the protectors’ base after they almost killed Hera, instead of letting Kanan be a peacemaker. In this series, she’s been resistant to her Master, and her feelings for Ezra led her to put many lives in danger this time around. Honestly, I’m happy with how Sabine is being portrayed in this series, as it feels true to her Rebels character. But I will agree her reunion with Ezra was underwhelming.
OK good post I posted how bad of an actress I thought she is but maybe you're right I just want her to not be closed off and embrace the moment, why can't a woman just run up to a man and hug him, is that really so anti-feminist? We are in an age of hate, before feminism was to allow women to love as they pleased, now they have to "respect themselves" well forget that.
I have to agree with Alex in that Sabine is still getting on my nerves. She's perpetually ungrateful and had no accountability. It's hard to cheer for her. I get that she has to suck a little so they can develop her character, but it seems like she's more or less getting everything she wants so far. I'm hoping there are harsh consequences for her actions to teach her a lesson, harsher than just a bunch of unnamed rebels dying when Thrawn returns. She seems ridiculously stubborn so her simply saying sorry and being a better person won't work. Something real bad needs to happen for her to have believable growth.
Took the words right out of my mouth. I’m trying to not hate her character but it’s getting a little annoying. I wouldn’t care as much if she didn’t dominate screen time in a show named AHSOKA.
Agreed. She is like this spoiled kid, who everybody think is special, no matter what they do, and she screws up continously with 0 reflection and accountobiliy. Also she acts all the time like an annoying teenager. In episode 6 for example, she is alone on this planet, lost part of ther quipement fighting the bandits, the wolf-mount comes back, and she is annoyed with it that it run.. It feels so silly, she should be grateful that she lucked lucked aht it came back and just fetched him, that she has a better chance to survive. I know its Star Wars, meaning its not a realism based movie, but it still feels so artifical, silly, and annoying.
@@firestarter000001 The scene with her mount frustrated me as well. They tried to do the cute comedy scene from one of the Toy Story movies where Woody shoos Bullseye away. It worked there because we know that Woody is a good guy who was just being unreasonable because he was upset. Here, it didn't work because that's how Sabine acts all the time. It's not a comedic departure from her character because she's upset, it's just more of her being annoying and it piles on.
I can't stand Sabine. Her decisions are so selfish, and she needs to have real consequences for her actions. "We had a deal." Line was overused and the fact she believes total strangers to keep their word is so childish. She needs to lose an arm or leg or be hurt in some terrible way to pay for her actions. Sabine, as a character in this show, doesn't work.
As a moderately casual fan, I couldn’t care less about Mando and even the callbacks to Anakin sprinkled throughout modern Star Wars. This episode was incredible, and I would love if they made films focused on Sabine, Thrawn, etc
I think the clearest hint that the Troopers are dead is when you listen to Enoch with Sabine he says "Die Well" as though their deaths is something they do over and over again. So they do not live well they Die well. I also hope the power he is talking about is the Yu Zhon Von.
You’re overthinking this, dude. “Die well” doesn’t imply the one saying it is dead - it’s a cliche phrase people say in media when they expect the person they’re saying it to die.
I’m not a Star Wars Lore buff, but is there any chance they could almost retcon the Disney sequel by having it that time moves much slower in this galaxy compared to the other so by the time they get back to their own galaxy, 50 or so years have passed and places the timeline after the Disney sequel?
So this is something I noticed the 2nd time watching this episode. When the great mothers have the scene where they say it reeks like Jedi and restrain Sabine…. I think it wasn’t about Sabine….. think about it. Sabine isn’t a Jedi and the only Jedi actually there is baylan “former Jedi” Then of course with baylans alternative plans compared to Thrawns and when Sabine is being hauled off they zoom is on baylan and he almost looks nervous for once. Fast forward to the next scene with thrawn arrival when he says “general baylan of the Jedi order” the great mothers then look up surprised. I think there’s a few twists coming our way
I wish I enjoyed it more, both Thrawn and Ezra felt unbelievably underwhelming. I just wish we got a reason to actually fear Thrawn. We should have seen the scale of his threat, why everyone keeps talking about how terrible it would be for him to return. I liked Ezra for the most part, but the script writing between him and Sabine was honestly horrific. They had the chemistry of a ham sandwich. I guess I just had higher hopes for both of these characters returns after so many years of build up, following their disappearance in rebels.
You really think they're going to make thrawn show up and destroy the entire Republic in the first episode we just seen him he's not going to do a bunch of crazy stuff and he is still a big threat so far with the power of the nightsisters and how I tricked Sabine to help him find Ezra and kill him is pretty intelligent and it matches his personality pretty well even his way he walks around and his voice tone is perfect and it like on how the actor looks it's pretty realistic to what a old version of him would look like
I can totally see the other major force simply being a Palpatine clone, because that would open the door for Disney to justify his sudden return in Ep 9 by saying he was away in this other galaxy in hiding. It sucks but I can't picture Disney dumping the sequel trilogy. There's too much merchandising for the sequels in the wild that I doubt Disney would just be okay getting rid of.
Funny that AJ said this would be the worst episode, but it turns out it's his favorite Star wars "since the purchase of Star Wars by Disney" It's a pleasure to know that he was wrong lol
So I just have to point this out because I got confused. Alex kept mentioning 'how Sabine is deflecting blaster shots now...' and I had no memory of this happening. So I rewatched that scene several times. And absolutely NO blaster shots were reflected at any point. She took a ton of hits to her armor. She raised her arm to cover her face when someone aimed at her but at no time did she intentionally reflect or parry a shot. Infact her saber handling seemed really reckless compared to a Jedi. Criticism is fine, but please dont make stuff up just to have something to criticice :(
OJ saw joes brainstorm starting to form and was like “whoa, ok Imma reel you in a little bit. You’re getting too creative. Your know they aren’t gunna do that.”
I liked the part where he looked really serious at Sabine and said "you gambled on your galaxy just for a chance to bang Ezra?"
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Sabine has been nothing but a dumbass the entire show
Idk they never had that vibe before. Ezra always annoyed Sabine up until the last ep and this show where she honors him like a god lol
Lol he's probably waiting to pump her all these years.
For anyone curious, Lars Mikkelsen (Thrawn) was also the actor for Russian President Petrov in House of Cards. This role in Ahsoka must have felt right at home for him, as both roles saw him playing a intimidating, dangerous and cunning thug in a seat of absolute power. His mannerisms and stature fit these roles naturally.
I think he's the voice of Thrawn in the animated series
Plus he was Magnusson in Sherlock
How dare you! Thrawn is not a thug :P
holy! I didn't even make the connection, that's dope, knew he I've seen him somewhere before.
I think Thrawn has the posture of a seahorse
Lars Mikkelsen returning as Thrawn was the best part of this episode, for me, as his voice and mannerisms were perfect.
he needs to go to the gym though... overweight Thrawn...? ;-)
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@@Peterskia voice for radio.
What about his gut?
@@Peterskihe just got old and aged like wine 😄😊
The fact that Thrawn said to Morgan, who's this jedi? Tell me everything about her and her master had me excited to see Thrawn's reaction to Ahsoka being Anakin's padawan and to see how that interactions going to play out.
How does Thrawn not know of Ahsoka, though? He has worked with Anakin before.
It was before Anakin got Ahsoka @@TheDarkPorkins
@@kushpatel1191if i recall correctly, they first met after Ahsoka already left the order.
I'm curious if there is a continuity error here, because I am pretty sure Padme` told Thrawn about her...
@@DarthSharpEven If Padme had mentioned her name to Thrawn, this would of been like 30 years ago. I know Thrawn is a genius, but I’d be shocked if he could remember the name some random girl briefly mentioned to him 30 years ago lmao
I don't know what is was, but something about Thrawn's Stormtroopers, namely the cracked, dirty armor, made them look so much more intimidating than regular stormtroopers
These bastards have been through hell and back. They're like the Imperial version of Chaos Marines.
hardened exiled and seen some shit
I know I’m like these troopers look like they can aim 😮🔥🔥 especially with the mis match helmets and little trims of gold on some of the troopers is so cool!
Got that uneasy feeling. Scary and undead perhaps?
And the golden mask the one with cracked gold in the armor they made the storm troopers look badass
I love how Filoni just doesn't let Sabine use the force, bro is trolling Sabine in every episode
true but I got a horrible feeling that in the end at the last second she going used the force to save someone and it going be well earn or dumb
@@SoldierSpiderxI feel you on that but imo it’s probably gonna be well earned because even when she was in the cell and she tried to open the door and we see the crumbling from the walls and I was like nahh not yet and yep not yet lmao I think it’s gonna happen at a very pivotal moment or heck it might not happen at all it could very well be a moment where she absolutely tries and fails and someone dies and through that trauma she might actually unlock her abilities and Ashoka has to slow her down because she was channeling the darkside, very much like Naruto anime when an uchiha unlocks there special eye the sharingan only happens when they suffer a terrible trauma
@@Thisguy2532that would be way better cause I think she going do the force when she need someone or she save herself and it either going be cringle as hell or earn and that I would that way better that she try used the force to save someone and that person died and she end up tap in the dark side of the force
I love it I can’t stand her ass lol
Maybe Ezra will help her connect with it more.
I don’t want to get overhyped like a Star Wars fan, but thrawn asking about Ashoka’s background including her master excites me. Thrawn knew anakin, knew Vader, and knew Vader was anakin. And if there’s a chance we get a flashback of thrawn and one of them (unlikely) I’ll die.
Yes please!
@@AndreNitroX YOU WANT HIM TO DIE?!
I would actually also trade him for a Thrawn/Vader flashback.
not gonna happen.
Vader and Thrawn respected each other...The Emperor gave Thrawn his own Empire because of his battle tactics.
LOL@@nerdock4747
So is it me? Or is Shin like... The best padawan?! She isn't brash and forward like Obiwan... Or Arrogant and dismissive like Anakin, she listens to her master. And Baylan, He is the master "Jedi" that fans wanted... Strong, passionate, and stoic. He is reserved, and when he speaks you listen, and what he has to say matters.
Yeah, honest Shin and Baylans dynamic is my favourite part of the show, and I really like all of it!
Agreed!
Probably because she's older than your typical padawan.
Well maybe cause she hasn’t been trained as rigidly as others. She never got training from the Order and Baylan isn’t a Sith, so she’s not getting the super oppressive and abusive treatment either.
She also does clearly have an arrogance issue, she really *really* wanted to gloat to Sabine before killing her and was clearly furious when Sabine got the better of her.
Yeah, I honestly thought she was going to be another Reva. Glad she isn't.
Having served in the U.S. Navy, I can tell that older high ranking officers have the same body shape are Thrawn.
My man has been bulking for a very long time while training for his return
EM1(nuke)- formerly here…. So do all the females young to old
This is Starwars not earth
@@winwhite1915 Ah yes, because overweight and stout people don't exist in Star Wars... 🙄
Ash yes Jack black ... got cha
I am absolutely loving Kevin Kiner's music for the series. I am so glad they got him for live action. He's a genius. Although I loved Mandalorian seasons 1 and 2, this show is my favorite so far. Filoni has brought beloved animation characters to live action successfully.
Man it’s a great stars shows but come on mandalorian season 2 is the best Star Wars since revenge of the sith
Lars is truly scary as live action Thrawn, and I'm convinced his army is undead. Btw did anyone notice the Star Trek sound effects on the Eye Of Sion?
they need the ichor of Dathomir to make an undead move. they are notably just feral zombies and there are many limitations, including that when the preson that conjuring them dies, they all just collapse.
also even the mother died.
what scene was he scary in? what about it?
Is that a good thing?
@@squattingheads i dont know how anyones scared by him. like dude looks and acts like a cali ceo. maybe its just past fans rewriting from headcannon but all i got was softspoken flabby dude
@@Senorbenignhillarityhe isn’t scary in a vader why that’s not what makes him scary, he’s scary in the same way Saw is, cold old and cunning, b/c someone who holds all that power as just a normal person has earned it! And he has with his anything for victory mindset and above everyone’s head level of thinking
If Balen is to be re cast (assuming he survives),how about Rory McCann who played the hound in Game of Thrones taking over the role. He has the physical presence, is in the same age range, and we know he can play deeply cynical but ultimately caring characters.
Unironically a genius idea.
I can’t believe I’m the only one that thinks graham mctavish would be the perfect recast
as long as he ends every sentence with 'yarp'
Get the family’s permission and use that Indy 5/Luke in Mando deepfake face scanning for Ray.
@@nickferguson1998 Yes. Graham would be a perfect reacting choice. He looks very much like Ray, and is a great actor. It's a shame we have to talk about this though.
I do not mind Thrawn being horizontally challenged, the actor wholly makes up for it
I didnt even notice 😂 so not a big deal
Dude is 6’4” wym
I'm pretty sure it is just the costume design, he doesn't look that big in real life 😂
He said horizontal, not vertical haha. The guy has a bit of a pot belly @@JZ3987
Yeah his uniform is clearly WELL worn. Hes probbaly only got a few. Im not sure how many wears you can get before it starts getting baggy and loose :P@@yungsteezy
I'm 100% with Alex, the "Cargo" that was being loaded onto the hyperspace ring did look awfully casket shaped/sized, it would make perfect sense for them to be bringing a bunch of dead sisters or Zabracks (Darth mauls people) who are also closely tied to the Night sisters as priorly both had their homeworld as Dathomir.
(cue Sabaton's The attack of the dead men)
It's absolutely dead night sisters she even says they're coming from the catacombs
i've always wanted a 'death troopers' film. Great book.
Holy shit what if maul dead ass in there
@@dagreenflamingo105 they can't bring him back twice...he was killed by Obi Wan, his purpose was fore filled.
OMG, THE VISUALS!! THE VISTAS!! did you see those vistas..VERY COOL, VERY COOL. *seal claps*
Alex’s face when Joe mentions Anakin becoming ‘the balance’ in the force kills me😂
Because he realizes the tremendous stupidity of that. That "balance" thing is Joe simply writing for Filoni, no one, no fan is right now getting a similar conclusion of what the point or lesson of the last episode was because it wasn't. That hole ep 5 was MASSIVE fanservice with no meaning or impact on the actual story. When you put that episode under proper scrutiny, it falls apart into pieces. It was nice to get Hayden back, but it was a very poor way to get him back. Filoni simply isn't up to that level of writing.
@@danyknight9107 You can shut up and leave now you cant say anything until the season is over pretty sure 5 will connect to 7 or 8.
@@danyknight9107how was anikan not the balance? Its widely accepted among serious fans the Jedi had to be brought down and for me at least I feel Qui-gon knew that
He’s not “The Balance”. He BROUGHT balance to the force. You know, at one point.
@@Paulfromwish I dont understand you so called, "serious fans." So you're saying that balance of the force was bring down the Jedi?
So the Sith lords could take the republic and turn into an empire. Gain more power and to use the force selfishly. Create a dictatorship that enslave people. Create a death star to blow up entire planets to enforce their rule. Create a government run like nazis. And left the galaxy in darkness. That's what made Anakin the chosen one? That's what bringing balance is?
What really struck me was the use of kintsugi on the trooper armour. The Japanese practice of using gold to fill in gaps from broken items, to allow them to be used again. I thought it was a real cool metaphor for Thrawns admiration for art and history, whilst also having a practical application; isolated and unable to replace equipment it retains capability.
Would it be too much to think that Bendu could play a role here? Thrawn was visibly shaken by his encounter with it, an unknown that was beyond his understanding. I’m intrigued tbh! Can’t wait for the next episode.
i think Bendu would be a bit much, they already used their "wtf?" card with the world between worlds
@@Fadaar idk, that was heavily suggested not by the font used for the show so I was pretty much expecting it to appear at some point or another. Who knows, it’s pure speculation but I’m curious what could cause nightsisters and Thrawn to be like “yeah we need to gtfo”.
@@Fadaar Indeed. Rebels was a cartoon after all, and they did a lot of silly stuff that wouldn't fly on live action. Bendu was probably one of those so I highly doubt we'll see him as he was in the show. (Also why would he be in another galaxy at all?)
@@CesarDaSalad Can you imagine if Bendu after what happens in rebels season 3 goes to a whole other galaxy and is like ah peace at last and months later Thrawn and Ezra show up and he's just like why me.
@@jakewheeler6014 That would be hilarious! 😂😂😂
So wait, Ezra was that close to the Nightsisters, they can take notice of Ahsoka's approach in the Space Whales but couldn't locate Ezra🤔. Also why did the Nightsisters identify Sabine as a Jedi when she can't even use the force?
She smelled like Ahsoka.
Ezra could have cut himself off similar to luke. Sabine is unable to use the force but force users can sense it within her which is just another way of telling you she has enough in her but she cannot access it because she has no training and balance.
I understood it as they can sense a presence but maybe not necessarily pin point that presence. They knew Ezra was there and could sense that but they just couldn't figure out his exact location. I could be just trying to explain away a plot issue though 🤷♂️
And being surprised at baylin
@@aribeck4298 No that's actually pretty valid, the Nightsisters aren't GPS lol, even Mother Talzin couldn't specifically pin point where Darth Maul was...
Lol, Alex does not look impressed. You can tell he does not agree with most of Joe's takes. Seems to have a more logical non-biased view on media 👍
Sabine didn't actually block a shot with the light saber. Alex is getting old and misremembering 😂😂 She blocked shots with beskar...
Alex hatred for Sabine has clouded his judgement!! 😂
26:53 blocked by lightsaber…I think you’re just a blind tard 😂😂😂😂😂
*Lars played Thrawn perfectly! (I know he did the voice in Rebels, but to see it in Live-action is truly something legendary.)* Another banger of an episode 🔥
@@beg4mercy890Been 10 years. Even Aliens age.
@@beg4mercy890it's been 10 years he's going to age a little bit and it's not like he's completely unlike the character he still has the same mannerisms and intelligent, calm personality he's a real threat unlike Palpatine were he got defeated by Ray somehow like why did he keep electrocuting himself why did he not stop using the lightning like why
@@beg4mercy890 So many people making excuses for Thrawn being fat and having a receding hairline lol, as if Disney couldn't afford to give the actor a personal trainer and a gym membership. Just utter laziness.
@@Al-Ghaibb Lol, stop nitpicking. The acting is more important than physical stature.
Thrawn's clothes being immaculate compared to the Stormtroopers armour having been repaired and patched up haphazardly so many times was such a cool visual.
Thrawn's clothes do have frays and worn spots on them that you can see in close ups. I think I like the idea more that as much as Thrawn tries to keep up an immaculate appearance, he cannot completely hide the toll the years of exile has taken on him.
Not only would you have to find someone as big as Ray, you have to find someone who acts as well, has the presence and can emulate his accent
he has so much emotion within being stoic, probably the most intruiging character ever in star wars next to thrawn
It would be a wild card but Alexander Skarsgård is 6,3 just like Ray and has a great screen presence. He’s a bit slimmer and ten yrs younger but I think he could pull it off.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan looks a bit like Ray. He’s a bit shorter but not by much and the guy can definitely act..I’ve got no idea if he can do the accent though.
@@mrsickukxx1332Gerard Butler
Everyone is asking whether these stormtroopers are undead, but aren't asking what killed this many of them. I wonder if this is going to hint of the return of the Yuuzhan Vong.
This. They were clearly in battle with something, lost troopers and the ship was visibly damage repaired. The night sisters are also clearly scared of something on that planet.
They would never bring back the Vong, it would quickly make any project rated R if they do the Vong right and Disney would not let it happen
It’s not well explained, but I think the implication is that the Purgill showing up in the Mandalorian, and then the events in Ahsoka, is that we are seeing a rare migration of Purgill that only happens every (however long Ezra has been gone). That’s why they are all there, and that’s why they all are going to Peridea.
It would have been cool for that to be explained better.
Visually stunning… that’s about it for the positives tbh.
best they can do for Baylan Skoll and Shin Hati is to continue their story in animation form. They can recast using a voice actor while they look for a real life replacement for Baylan. If for some reason they cant find someone to replace Baylan, I guess they can finally write the Baylan character off before the movie comes out. Also what would turn Shin Hati to the good side would be Baylan death in the hands of Thrawn or the Night Sisters
My guess is Baylan will either be killed by Thrawn or left behind by them in the finale
I wouldn't say it would turn shin light side. If anything it might make her more dark. She would probably be fueled by anger over the death of her father errr I mean master, especially if it was thrawn or whoever.
I was thinking the same thing, and coincidentally they have the perfect device for this. Tales of the Jedi. Maybe S2 can be a combined telling of his story before Ahsoka, and then after the events of Ahsoka. That is if he lives. This way, they can organically close out his story if need be.
“If you see a starship destroy it with prejudice” I love that line
*star whale
@@sidjay1220 The problem is that this is a grave yard of space whales. Attack the whales aren't a great idea if your outnumbered greatly.
Im just happy they didnt wait until the last 5 seconds of the finale episode to show Thrawn! So good to have him back and FINALLY in live action!
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The gold repaired Storm Trooper armour look really cool. Great visual design
Not sure how y’all can enjoy these,it’s literally a show for children man, the script is so poor and lazy..
They thought that the Barbie movie was good...
And for those that have been living under a rock, just a reminder that Lars Mikkelsen is the younger brother of Mads Mikkelsen. Like the Skarsgard's from Sweden, the Mikkelsen's are an acting family from Denmark with titanic amounts of talent - Lars, Mads, Henning are all actors while Lars and Mads's mom is a costumer and wardrobe artist. And any Star Wars fan can tell you some of the most memorable characters have been those played by Mads Mikkelsen and Stellan Skarsgard.... and now we have Thrawn played by Lars.
Any reason these videos get a ton of dislikes? Are people just salty they like the show or something?
I want Abeloth. An eldritch horror tied to the Mortis Panthon as "The Mother" would be awesome.
They'd have to nerf her...
Absolutely not, the Legacy era of the old EU is just as bad as the sequels.
@@Azurek1991Definitely isn't lol
@@excessmaterial I’m not arguing this. What they did to Jacen after he saved the galaxy from the Yuuzhan Vong was not right.
I swear Alex is the definition of THAT guy you hate at parties.
"Every party needs a pooper thats why they invited you, Party pooper. Party pooper" - Super Kami Guru
Alex is the only one there with an IQ over room temperature.
yep well summed-up ... seems every vid now - Joe jumps in all excited - and then Alex comes in with the heavy-duty sourpuss routine
He's the only one who sees this pos show for what it is. It's awful and he knows it
"I'm the party pooper." - Detective John Kimble
He’s always been that way, it’s why a lot of people stopped watching Angry Joe
Question: Is it just me or is the music of Ahsoka just incredibly reactive to the scenes? I feel that the orchestra is sitting watching the episode adding the music live. So good, so addaptive and alive. Fantastic.
Music is amazing ❤ I agree with entirly. Thrawn theme is amazing too. And when he marched that cyber orchesta theme just nailed it! Ahsoka is amazing series and them focusing on soundtrack is something that new movies avoid to do. I love it❤
Joe is always looking happy while Alex just wants to get this review over with lol
One is happy being an unethical shill. The other is not.
My nit pick is definitely how small the galaxy comes across……. Plus it doesn’t help how small the planet itself felt. Was Ezra just chilling a few miles away ? I hope they at least mention some other planets that exist in this galaxy and maybe some of the power/political structures there. Obviously can’t get into too much exploration of it but a little exposition would help give it life instead of it feeling like just another planet…. (Unless maybe they’ll save all that for a new trilogy, the one we deserve lol)🤞
That definitely ain't happening. I would be shocked if you even see more of this planet
I agree that the planet felt too small, but I doubt we explore this new galaxy. The point is they basically pop in, pick up thrown, than leave, they aren’t spending more time than they want to. What I think they MIGHT do is set up for the future to revisit this galaxy tho and actually explore it now that we know it exists.
100% agree. Missed opportunity having a true journey for Sabine. All these references of films like neverending story labyrinth, etc and all those in the 80's had more adventure and world building than this big budget Disney ish. I'm not saying I'm not enjoying it more than anything most Disney right now but our expectations are obviously very very low these days when it comes to creative original content and adventure. 😢
The writers won't explore this new galaxy I guarantee that, just like they didn't explore the crime underworld in Boba Fett. Apart from Andor, character exploration and theme exploration in Disney Star Wars is very surface level.
I really hope they get Timothy Zahn (who created Thrawn character) to work with Dave Filoni that way we get the perfect character and the most faithful Heir to the Empire adaptation as possible!
Maybe even see a certain Redhead purple saber wielder 😉...
They did consult Timothy Zahn when making Ashoka
No to the last part..
It’s too late for them to bring back Mara Jade . It would make completely no sense
Zahn was involved in writing Ahsoka. He oversaw Thrawn's characterization.
unless they recast Luke for this time period (COUGH COUGH SEBASTIAN STAN COUGH COUGH) Mara Jade would be a waste
I love the synergy between Alex and Joe, they agree or disagree or both and it’s awesome.
They need Alex's side so bad.
I think Alex opposes many thematic choices that are thing established from rebels which he said he has no background knowledge of. Some of his points are fair but you can’t expect a show that is lead by established characters to not use and build upon established lore.
The patience in Alex is unreal.
i felt that AJ let him speak just fine on this one.
@@ppsarrakishe is too much of a hater honestly
Im just hyped to see a followup movie series with Thrawn. I'm hoping we get that. This episode just has me soo hyped. Thrawns return with his night troopers was soooo good.
Key jangling is strong with this series
Did we see the same Mauler video? Lol
Yall get your opinions from RUclipsrs, clearly
The experience is so different when you didnt watch rebels and your not theory crafting . If you just watch this series the pacing is real bad and dialog is almost non-existant. This show really needed a script doctor to make these character 3 dimensional, instead of just relying on seasons of rebels.
Basic competence is what passes for masterclass now with star wars?!
Yup, the cope is strong here, no doubt. Don't ask questions, Just Consume Product and Then Get Excited for the next product
Basic competence? Where? Go open up the episode right now, go to the 21 minute mark, and play Sabine's line: "If you survived I'm sure he's doing just fine." Could her actor have delivered that line worse if she had tried to? Just as an example for how not 10/10 this episode was and this show is.
Alexs face when AJ describes the episode in the beginning is 100
It always amuses me when Joe talks over Alex when he says something he doesn't like haha.
I wish joe let alex go on when he was talking about continuity issues in star wars. We should not 100% have to watch a cartoon to understand what is going on. (As great as this show is) . You have to wonder just how fucking confused the casual audience is in this show.
I've watched every Disney + Star Wars show and all the movies but never watched Clone Wars or Rebels. There is no emotional impact for me with this characters. They should have done a better job through flashbacks or exposition to show why i would care about Ezra, Sabine, etc.
@@RollDiceTakeNamesBro your opinion on anything Star Wars related is irrelevant if you haven’t watched the clone wars. Lol
I mean why wouldn’t you watch the animations first to begin with
I dont understand why Joe is Simping so hard for this show.
Because they sprinkled some "member Berries" and choclate chips over this turd that is the script does not make the show Good or smart.
Star wars will never be back, if they keep needing to refer previous ideas and movies just to get your thumbs....up???
Making Sabine a upcoming Padawan / Jedi / Mandalorian is just dumb, and the meeting between Ezra and Sabine not getting the characters to figger out first if they had or was a thing or if Sabine and Asoka was a thing... honestly.
I respected Joe's opinions but this is just dumb.
I don't know who any of those people are... for me this was god awfully boring
How quickly we forget Andor.... this is not better than Andor but it was solid
It's not as good a show as Andor but I could argue it's a better star wars show than Andor. Both fill different roles and scratch different itches for me.
*I genuinely hate that* people go crazy over a project - then turn on it when given the next thing.. Ashoka is enjoyable but it’s not touching Andor
@@Sam-jx8tv you can argue that but I would only let it slide because Andor makes a point to not include a SINGLE mention of the Jedi or the force, so yes there is clearly an itch that we need other shows to scratch, that is the only reason I'll let you have that cuz otherwise Andor is so far above asohka I could not reconcile it lol. Andor is objectively a better show in every way otherwise
@@sonord2074subjectively. Your opinion a fact does not make.
People quickly forgetting about andor is 1. the way of the internet and 2. a testiment of andor.
I can see past Thrawn being kinda chubby, the guy is like 68-70 years old at this point in time. He still looks pretty good for his age, especially for someone who is stranded billions of lightyears away from home with only a busted up ship, a legion of possibly dead stormtroopers, and Enoch with his Roman funerary mask. I'm confused why there weren't any navy personnel/officers seen either, since there are more of those guys on star destroyers than storm troopers so it's odd they aren't seen in the crowd, maybe we'll see them and it's going to reveal they are actually undead or show that there was a mutiny and there was a disagreement of some sort which made the storm troopers fight with the remaining navy personnel
I haven’t watched rebels yet and don’t really know much lore but just the presence thrawn brings is chilling, he demands everyone’s attention without even raising his voice and when he asks for background on Ashoka that gave me chills. Its so cool how his troopers are these broken and decrepit versions of the clean trooper armor we normally see. It adds this contrast between thrawn and his soldiers that builds this unease with him and I love it. Also making baylan and shin have this mysterious arc, its so interest. Also the interaction between Ashoka and huyang was great.
um be careful how you say you don't want rebels or or the clone wars. Loads of fans will come at you like crazy.
@@mysticstrikeforce5957 You literally made that up.
The way they can fix baylyn passing away in real life is just give him a mask and voice modulator. Rest in piece he was my favorite part of the show
Yeah that’s the best way to do it
Imagine if Alex hosted these reviews and kept the tempo.
I hope we get to see the Yuuzhan Vong in this series Thrawn was ready to dip so fast and when he said I've already lost too many forces I got so excited no one's ever put him in a position of fear.
Man, Star Wars is such a big universe, and all of the content of this universe is about the same 5 people lol
We haven’t had a original Star Wars character with their own show since 2019….. 4 years of nostalgia baiting
Yup, because the mouse will kick that dead horse to dust before they come up with anything original for this dying IP.
We all saw how that turned out in the sequel trilogy.😬
IM SO GLAD THEY GOT ELON MUSK TO PLAY THRAWN!! AT FIRST I WAS LIKE COME ON, BUT AFTER SEEING HIM, HE DID A GREAT JOB!!
So in an entirely different galaxy , on a huge alien planet , sabine finds ezra in less time than it takes me to clean my appartment and go to the local shops . Hera, sabine and ahsoka act like theyre on valium or have long covid .
To be fair, A) they only have 8 episodes and B) Thrawn literally gave her their "last known location" for Ezra and likely Ezra would be close by anyway due to proximity (he basically fell out of the star destroyer with no vehicle transportation) as well as likely trying to keep an eye on Thrawn.
While yes, the simplified concept is totally true, I think there's other reasonable factors that exist to explain it.
This is nothing new in SW…just like Luke just happens to crash land right next to Yoda on Dagobah.
Calling it now, in the last 3 mins of the last episode, Boba Fett rocks up on the slowest moving space moped, 360 no scopes Thrawn and then hovers awkwardly away. Hit to end credits, you heard it here firs.
Come on! Really? Star Wars is back? Ahsoka brought star wars back? Ahsoka isn't horrible or anything like that but saying this saved SW giving it too much credit.
10/10 y'all crazy as fuck.
I'm gona say 7. The Ezra reunion wasn't even just "muted", it was absolutely fucking stupid if you stop to think even for a second.
I believe the reason the Night Sisters have made a deal with Thrawn is yes something they fear is coming and they want off the planet or system.
.....there is a msallll problem
they are all dead dude. aside for some stragglers, the night sistesr were massacred by the seperatists, by general grievous. The mother herself survived but she either died failing to get some force power from another, or died saving maul in the comics.
so how the fuck are they here and how are there so many? they are part of a hybrid/sub species of zebrakk and all their dudes would be back on dafomir.
think about for a sec,there is a reason the purrgils die there and hav e aring of death around,they sacrifice themselves to keep an evil on the the planet....
@@taddad2641this is the ancient homeworld of the nightsisters and I believe the things in the crates that they want thrawn to transport are the dead nightsisters that then they will take back to dathomir and resurrect. That would be part of their deal.
@@taddad2641 the episode explains how they are here. It’s their ancient home world. They came from here originally on the star whales. This is where it began for the ancient Dathomir.
This episode was amazing i am so happy we got Thrawn and Ezra in episode 6 and not have them cram it all in the last episode
How did Jacen hear the lightsabers if it was all in Ahsoka's head?
Force stuff
Reasons
Because Dave Feloni is a hack writer
I hope, think, and want Anakin's appearance to be real and not in her head.
@@BeeruspvmI think it’s real and he’s in the world between worlds it only makes sense since in the cartoon he was destined to be the balance of the force the father
The gold armor on the troopers is a reference to the art form called Kintsugi. It’s done by repairing things with gold. I thought that was pretty cool.
The ship lowering its hanger over the tower was a badass thing to do. I lost my self when I saw blue Elon musks walk into scene but over all I’m excited as hell for the thrawn movie
For me that was an all time great moment, you felt the scale of Thrawn's entrance. Elon would do this 100%
@@CodyL100Thrawn is a genius though and musk is a moron wtf are you on about?
@@CodyL100 i thought several times that the scale was off. the tower of the witches was way to small compared to the hangar with all the troopers together. Same with the landing ship. When it landed it looked way to small compared to the scenes when we see everyone in it.
@@markusmoller8653how is that sort of a complaint it was still a cool scene and we haven't seen the full ship yet and half the crew is probably dead so it makes sense for him to not have an army
"Did you eat'em?" 😂😂😂 that cracked me up, Oj. Bravo 👏 👏 👏 👏
The biggest problem is the Force itself. That's why Kreia hated the Force because the Force uses everyone. That's why the Wars never end.
The writing for her was brilliant.
Funnily enough, Baylan is channeling a lot of Kreia into her and there's a lot of hints that his character is going in that direction.
Thrawn can't find Ezra hiding couple klicks away from his base for 10 years.
Should have looked under a rock.
10/10
The Empire was permanently camped on the backwater planet of Tattooine for the entirety of Luke's youth and couldn't find Kenobi.
Oversimplification plus weeb username checks out.
This episode really made me think they could have made the sequel trilogy based on a powerful enemy coming from this galaxy to invade and be an enemy to the new republic. They could have had new styles of enemy with new designed soldiers/crafts, new ways of wielding the force and been a real threat. If you wanted to include some of the nostalgia you could have had Luke rebuild a version of the Jedi order and be the guide to some new Jedi fighting against the invasion.
Good writers could have come up with a compelling reason for why they wanted to invade and built new stories around that. The way Baylan was talking about the power he felt and he could have been the catalyst for bringing them to the galaxy. Also the new republic could have shown that despite some flaws, they we’re uniting planets and things were working ok until they had a new fight on their hands.
Instead we are stuck with a rehashed story with the empire mk2 and bringing tired villains back from the dead. I feel the only way to build a new story now is to leave Ahsoka and co in this new galaxy where they have a blank slate to start fresh.
the original Thrawn & Yuuzhan Vong books could have easily been their own trilogies. almost like they had a blueprint sitting there since the 90's but no, they had to go make up some dumb shit instead. doesnt help that they waited WAY too long to do a sequel trilogy with how hard the old books leaned on the OT characters, they would have had to do the sequel trilogy instead of the prequels (ie 1999-2005 timeframe) for those to work without major character changes.
That is exactly what happened in the EU, i dunno why they didn't do that story
Agree 100%……. I’m hoping that maybe we kinda get that but set in this new galaxy instead since they already botched the other one lol….. Use this new galaxy as a type of soft reboot or something like that….
Yeah part of me is hoping they stay in this new galaxy, maybe find some other planets there.
Narratively the main galaxy is in a dead end. It’s boring af after all this build up and world building in these shows the story is just going to revert to “plucky rebels vs Palpatine and his big empire and death stars” again.
It’s pretty obvious Disney regrets not doing Thrawn as the Sequels big bad
I would like to see a Darth Nihilus type entity. It could be feeding on the sisters which is why they fear it. Could be neat if done well.
Soon as you said who should play him. I thought it and you said it.
Liev Schreiber.
They should recast, assuming the character survives the story.
Ashoka gives me a new hope for the future of starwars
The thing that bothers me so much is that in the sequels they state that there hasn't been a war for 30 years since Palps "died".
That means that Thrawn is either not going to return to the galaxy or die in a really underwhelming and pitiful way. Either that, or Disney are going to make the sequels non-canon (which I really cannot see them do, since it would be admitting failure).
I'm concerned how this is gonna play out for Thrawn and feel the character won't be done justice.
Am I watching a different show than Joe? Is Disney paying for this? Why does Alex look soo miserable? None of this makes any sense.
The witches were founded by an Exiled Jedi. I think They're going to explore the lore of this exiled jedi.
"This Allya was a rogue Jedi, the Old Republic did not want to execute her, so the Jedi exiled her, hoping that given time she would turn away from the dark side."
LUKE SKYWALKER
Allya was a female Human rogue Jedi Knight of the Old Republic. She was expelled from the Jedi Order and exiled to a penal colony on Dathomir. Encountering the other former exiles, she used the planet's strong life energy to teach the colony's women to master the Force. These women became the Witches of Dathomir and Allya was their founder.
05:10 Alex's facial reaction had me rolling 😂😂
are we still doing this braindead thing of "balance between dark and light"?
How do these people not understand that the jedi were the balance. You have to be in peace with yourself to be spiritual powerful and use the force for good. THAT was the original massage and what we should aim for.
@@squattingheads Legends was the same exact way up until a point where it worked it to how you said, but unfortunately the problem came back with The Ones with the Clone Wars and now the writers just seem genuinely confused and unsure what to do. But tbf this is a problem that came before Disney.
Edit: Ig maybe not if you interpret it as Anakin deciding to leave Mortis disrupted the balance and he became Darth Vader as a result. Still a stupid plot device though like you said.
@@squattingheadswhats your point?
Lmao, he had the Robert De Niro face of disapproval for a second there.
Erza rejected the idea of taking back his light saber is stupid. It's Yours! For crying out loud. He chose that crystal as a Padawan.
I think Sabine is being played pretty well. I’m rewatching rebels alongside this. Any time Sabine has any character development in it, she’s always resistant and closed off first, especially when she was training with the dark saber. And a lot of her decisions in Rebels were motivated out of her feelings for others, like destroying the protectors’ base after they almost killed Hera, instead of letting Kanan be a peacemaker. In this series, she’s been resistant to her Master, and her feelings for Ezra led her to put many lives in danger this time around.
Honestly, I’m happy with how Sabine is being portrayed in this series, as it feels true to her Rebels character. But I will agree her reunion with Ezra was underwhelming.
Dude just stands there, why the hell they found him so quick?
OK good post I posted how bad of an actress I thought she is but maybe you're right I just want her to not be closed off and embrace the moment, why can't a woman just run up to a man and hug him, is that really so anti-feminist? We are in an age of hate, before feminism was to allow women to love as they pleased, now they have to "respect themselves" well forget that.
I have to agree with Alex in that Sabine is still getting on my nerves. She's perpetually ungrateful and had no accountability. It's hard to cheer for her. I get that she has to suck a little so they can develop her character, but it seems like she's more or less getting everything she wants so far. I'm hoping there are harsh consequences for her actions to teach her a lesson, harsher than just a bunch of unnamed rebels dying when Thrawn returns. She seems ridiculously stubborn so her simply saying sorry and being a better person won't work. Something real bad needs to happen for her to have believable growth.
Yeah I hate her character. If she wasn't in this show then it would make it better
Took the words right out of my mouth. I’m trying to not hate her character but it’s getting a little annoying. I wouldn’t care as much if she didn’t dominate screen time in a show named AHSOKA.
Agreed. She is like this spoiled kid, who everybody think is special, no matter what they do, and she screws up continously with 0 reflection and accountobiliy. Also she acts all the time like an annoying teenager. In episode 6 for example, she is alone on this planet, lost part of ther quipement fighting the bandits, the wolf-mount comes back, and she is annoyed with it that it run.. It feels so silly, she should be grateful that she lucked lucked aht it came back and just fetched him, that she has a better chance to survive. I know its Star Wars, meaning its not a realism based movie, but it still feels so artifical, silly, and annoying.
@@firestarter000001 The scene with her mount frustrated me as well. They tried to do the cute comedy scene from one of the Toy Story movies where Woody shoos Bullseye away. It worked there because we know that Woody is a good guy who was just being unreasonable because he was upset. Here, it didn't work because that's how Sabine acts all the time. It's not a comedic departure from her character because she's upset, it's just more of her being annoying and it piles on.
I can't stand Sabine. Her decisions are so selfish, and she needs to have real consequences for her actions. "We had a deal." Line was overused and the fact she believes total strangers to keep their word is so childish. She needs to lose an arm or leg or be hurt in some terrible way to pay for her actions. Sabine, as a character in this show, doesn't work.
“ *Star Wars is Back* “ we’ve been doing this since 2015 - BRO STOP 🤦🏽♂️
As a moderately casual fan, I couldn’t care less about Mando and even the callbacks to Anakin sprinkled throughout modern Star Wars. This episode was incredible, and I would love if they made films focused on Sabine, Thrawn, etc
incredible, dude pick up your standards, poor characterisation, poor action, poor pacing, aside from visuals you've got nothing remedying.
She was blocking blaster fire with her arm, but when she uses a lightsaber it's inconceivable for Alex?
Sabine sacrificed a galaxy to save Ezra but when reunited opens with quips. No emotion. No humanity. Just a bro hug. It’s so awkward
I think the clearest hint that the Troopers are dead is when you listen to Enoch with Sabine he says "Die Well" as though their deaths is something they do over and over again. So they do not live well they Die well.
I also hope the power he is talking about is the Yu Zhon Von.
You’re overthinking this, dude. “Die well” doesn’t imply the one saying it is dead - it’s a cliche phrase people say in media when they expect the person they’re saying it to die.
I’m not a Star Wars Lore buff, but is there any chance they could almost retcon the Disney sequel by having it that time moves much slower in this galaxy compared to the other so by the time they get back to their own galaxy, 50 or so years have passed and places the timeline after the Disney sequel?
So this is something I noticed the 2nd time watching this episode.
When the great mothers have the scene where they say it reeks like Jedi and restrain Sabine…. I think it wasn’t about Sabine….. think about it. Sabine isn’t a Jedi and the only Jedi actually there is baylan “former Jedi”
Then of course with baylans alternative plans compared to Thrawns and when Sabine is being hauled off they zoom is on baylan and he almost looks nervous for once.
Fast forward to the next scene with thrawn arrival when he says “general baylan of the Jedi order” the great mothers then look up surprised.
I think there’s a few twists coming our way
Can you imagine how the sequel trilogy would have hit if Snoke was an old Thrawn still loyal to sidius
I wish I enjoyed it more, both Thrawn and Ezra felt unbelievably underwhelming. I just wish we got a reason to actually fear Thrawn. We should have seen the scale of his threat, why everyone keeps talking about how terrible it would be for him to return.
I liked Ezra for the most part, but the script writing between him and Sabine was honestly horrific. They had the chemistry of a ham sandwich.
I guess I just had higher hopes for both of these characters returns after so many years of build up, following their disappearance in rebels.
You really think they're going to make thrawn show up and destroy the entire Republic in the first episode we just seen him he's not going to do a bunch of crazy stuff and he is still a big threat so far with the power of the nightsisters and how I tricked Sabine to help him find Ezra and kill him is pretty intelligent and it matches his personality pretty well even his way he walks around and his voice tone is perfect and it like on how the actor looks it's pretty realistic to what a old version of him would look like
Don’t you remember what hera said “thrawns not like any other imperial. He killed my friends and family…” he’s “definitely” a threat to the galaxy
Sabine. Her face paint is obviously semi-permanent. once applied and permed, the colouring stays for years. 🙂
Angry Joe is in denial about Hollywood steroids lol.
Superhero movies wouldn’t exist without them
I can totally see the other major force simply being a Palpatine clone, because that would open the door for Disney to justify his sudden return in Ep 9 by saying he was away in this other galaxy in hiding. It sucks but I can't picture Disney dumping the sequel trilogy. There's too much merchandising for the sequels in the wild that I doubt Disney would just be okay getting rid of.
10/10 is a wild score, 7/10 with non rebels fanboy glasses is probably more accurate
It's as if we have different opinions
Funny that AJ said this would be the worst episode, but it turns out it's his favorite Star wars "since the purchase of Star Wars by Disney" It's a pleasure to know that he was wrong lol
I'm always here more for alex/oj's opinion on this stuff. AJ is way too easy to please lmao
Lol Hungry Joe
So I just have to point this out because I got confused. Alex kept mentioning 'how Sabine is deflecting blaster shots now...' and I had no memory of this happening. So I rewatched that scene several times. And absolutely NO blaster shots were reflected at any point. She took a ton of hits to her armor. She raised her arm to cover her face when someone aimed at her but at no time did she intentionally reflect or parry a shot. Infact her saber handling seemed really reckless compared to a Jedi. Criticism is fine, but please dont make stuff up just to have something to criticice :(
Dave Filoni is truly George Lucas' apprentice.
Is Angry Joe supposed to be a channel for children/young teenagers?
If the "more powerful entity" ends up being Abeloth, I will lose my shit. (In a good way.)
Best since the franchise’s purchase? Nah Andor and Mando S1 is better
OJ saw joes brainstorm starting to form and was like “whoa, ok Imma reel you in a little bit. You’re getting too creative. Your know they aren’t gunna do that.”