MOYA EP 29 | VUYISILE CHARLES NDABENI | BOPHUTHATSWANA | KGOSI MANGOPE | SUN CITY | MONARCHS
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Moya is a dignified platform for African healers and scholars to unpack the natural sciences and history.
In this episode we sit down with Vuyisile Charles Ndabeni about Boputhatswana as an economic model, monarchs and economic corridors.
Contact: ndabenic@gmail.com.
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Regarding Mangope, the problems began when we believed the media over our parents’ lived experience in Bophuthatwana. The one thing I know is that he was a law and order champion. If you behaved in a way that was disruptive to society then you would be corrected. Hence you wouldn’t find a cigarette bud anywhere in any CBD of Bophutatswana. The man gave black people (Batswana in particular) a sense of dignity and full exploitation of what it meant to be a modern African in the 20th century. As a result, there was harmony. You didn’t have time to be a nyaope boy because you were kept busy with choir practice, soccer, debate, majorettes etc.
Celebrities used to travel from Joburg to Mmabatho to party because Mafikeng was literally Las Vegas
True story
Soo true
Yep Tourist Destination
Oh yesssssssss
Sisacela abuye lo baba please there's a lot of things to be unpacked and a lot of things to learn, he's a such a powerhouse, we really need him to come back struu🎉
We need him back 👏🏾👏🏾
@@Mthethwa594 Ay bafwethu.. Yha I know have an idea of how the ANC has destroyed our country piece by piece. Brick by brick. Yho i am traumatized.
I second you we have a lot of questions and I think he is the only one who can enlighten us. We wanna know about Orania and why is that no action has been taken against it yet we live in a "democratic and equity country " why was bophutatswana demolished but Orania is still there?
The man was clearly ahead of his time, a visionary of note. Some of us experienced this reality and we will forever remember his legacy. Ko lehatsheng la kgomo le mabele .
Boswa jwa rona ka bosakhutleng.
Naare Ntsiki o maketse. Bop is the epitome of black excellence. He did not even talk about law and order in Bop. There was Bopsol, Bop Broadcast, Unibo etc
Mmabana, the hotels
What's Bopsol?
@savagetau7380 Bopsol is Bophuthatswana Soccer League. RHUU Radebe, Peter Matsitse, Tebogo Moloi, Makuka Makinta, Percy Makweba used to play there mate.
May he take this information to Netflix because we need this kind of Knowledge to be save for history of South Africa
I'm so happy that people like this guy and J maponga, are building libraries on such topics. Even thou it looks hopeless now with the establishment having such a stronghold over everything, Indoctrinating the next generations with this type of education, is the only hope we have, of ever seeing a new status quo despite it never going to materialize in our life times.
Even Bab'Credo spoke about the hidden underground city in NW near Sun City, the place is so powerful that the cultists used the area to harvest spiritual power, he narrates it beautifully, I got goosebumps and didn't like the modern SunCity since then. The NW was stolen and left to deteriorate deliberately but it is very rich. Same thing was done to Zim, Mugabe was demonized.
Beautiful interview❤ the real Kgosi Mangope will be known in this lifetime. Yeah install the monarchy but remove the colonized monarchs
I'm for that
I like how Ntsiki interviews, less interruption and trigger the speaker to keep unleashing
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Such discipline to even beautifully take the speaker back to a point raised 30 minutes back.
yeeeeyi but this man is vocal nje period lol...
My jaw dropped to the ground! After watching this video, add to it the stories about the ANC having sold us, I can’t help but cry for my country and my people! In actuality what did the ANC free us from exactly??? When will our so-called leaders be the epitome of excellence and lead their people to absolute freedom, politically, economically and socially 😢😢😢
I came here after a clip you posted on twitter or X. Wow my whole lunch hour gone. Not even regret it I am full now
Bophutswana lehatshe la bo Rra rona, re le abetsweng ke Modimo. ❤
Ko ntle ga tshololo ya madi
Lefatshe la kgomo le mabele,boswa jwa rona ka bosakhutleng😢...tjoooo
Political imbecility at its best!!!!!!
I can't get enough of this episode. Watching it for the 3rd time. This same stories I've heard them from my great grandmothe, she'd be 109 years this year ❤
We have a MANGOPE episode on Wednesday 😍🥳
Yoh what a a great episode. The best podcast I have ever watched about Africa. We need people like these. I need to study more about Bophutatswana, I always knew Mangope as someone the media has painted. No wonder my grandma always said he was the best and I couldn’t understand why.
Now you know. ANC and PAC painted him badly. Hence, he was not afforded the state funeral. Just imagine.
@@godwillpulesnr9635State funeral for a sellout. None of the former homeland leaders ever got a state funeral, not even KD Matanzima who was Mandela's nephew by lineage. The political imbecility of the erstwhile bophuthatswanians used to frustrate me even back then. There was no country called bophuthatswana, Transkei, Ciskei or Venda. Homelands were extreme Apartheid.
Where can we find the detailed economic model of Bophutatswana? Also is there any possibility that Ntate Vusyisile can write a book about this information? In my view this needs to be documented properly and preserved. Mind Blowing interview!
I moved to Madikwe District in 1989, today in Moses Kotane, after my formative years in Tembisa, East Rand.
One thing that really strike me about Bop, was emphasis on higher education. Seeing people graduating at the university live on Mmabatho TV and Bop TV. Education was big in Bophuthatswana.
He was big on rural development, and there was significant investment in agriculture, water investment in water for livestock and cattle ranches. So subsistence farming was encouraged.
When I visited Mmabatho for the first time in 1991, I could not believe my eyes. Black excellence was in full swing. Seeing shopping malls, Mega City, City busses, black people living a true middle class life.
People going to Mmabana arts, in Zeerust, it was the same, there was so much optimism among black people.
Came 94, everything that Mangope built disintegrate. Today, Mafikeng entse e tshetla given that it is part of Kgalagadi.
I support this
It was socialist, which is why there were low levels of most social ills of today.
High literacy due to a socialist policy on education up to tertiary.
Access to good quality health care, even in remote areas because he capacitated his health administration very well, and made state provided health care available to everyone.
Road infrastructure was consistently maintained because he insourced most of his public works.
Built a university using contributions from the community.
Encouraged and supported small-medium enterprises.
He did a lot, in terms of his ideas for development.
But he was also an ethno-nationalist that was suspicious of anyone that wasn't a Motswana native, so non-Tswana speakers were often made to feel otherwise, even if they married a tswana person and came to boputhatswana to contribute.
His legacy isn't perfect, but theres lots to learn from his approach to development.
Very interesting interview,no wonder most of the Batswana people who lived under the leadership of Kgosi Mangope sing his praises till this day.May his soul continue to rest in peace...I would encourage you guys to bring a part 2/follow up interview
Tautona shook the bridge.
Brilliant interview! I grew up in Soweto and have beautiful memories of traveling to Mafikeng to visit family in the late 80's. They even had a favorable tax regime back then. My Dad told me that it was actually cheaper to drive there and buy furniture and clothes from Mega city than in Jo'burg. They were truly thriving! Tragic how it all fell apart so quick. That business model must be restored
I remember visits in Mmabatho and Mafikeng in the early 90s... No lies told here. ANC destroyed the NW
What did the ANC not destroy my guy? They destroyed the PAC as they feared the PAC (Sobukwe) was fighting a nobler course than they. A shame!
@@cecilmahlaba9369Tye PAC self destructed in exile.
@@nomagcisacawe3297 No they did not self destruct. That is not true. Misinformation. They were systematically destroyed. From 1955 the communist sponsors in Europe chose the ANC at the beneficiaries funding and support because the ANC was fertile to foreign influences. From its formation in 1959 the PAC was ostracized by the same supporters that supported the ANC. They were destroyed.
I proudly hail from Taung, it was the best place to grow up in, we were so advanced that we couldn't compare to anyone. At the Dawn of the new dispensation, graduates from Bophutatswana went to Gauteng and all these places to formalize and upgrade the public service.
The Vendas claim the same about the public service. Homelanders!
Kgosi Tau Tona Lucas Manyane Mangope will forever be the man he knew he was
I’m so blown away
I'm from Mogwase in the pilanesburg and I can tell you now, he is right when he says Tau Tona developed his people's mental state as well. Today there is some certain level of depression found and understood only by those who have experienced the shift from Bophuthatswana to South Africa.
Period!❤
I mean he did warn the people of Bop... I can't believe we even had the BRT system like Rea Vaya when I was 2yrs old
@@sibusisonkosi6506 He indeed warned us/them.
This is amazing, we need him back. The proof is in the pudding. Look at Kgosi Mangope RDP houses vs ANC ‘s. Those RDP’s are worth at least R1M a lot of them
Kgosi Mangope passed on a couple of years back...
Interesting interview, i think we should open a party called BOPHUTHATSWANA
There used to be a party called Dikwankwetla. were they not from Botshwana
Ntsiki, usithatha phi esisele senyathi...A man with such knowledge. And soothing voice, is he on radio...Wow!
I am a witness to what was said here by bro Charles. I have visited Bophutatswana in 88 to 1990. My family stays in ledig Sun City was just a walk away from home and BTH busses traveled the entire country. I traveled with them from Carletonville to king William's town many times.
Normally, you find poeple of other ethcin groups hating on the man, citing that he hated them. Ntate Charles just made me cry actually. Hearing him speak of him like that will forever stay with me
I think we confuse it. Mangope was Batswana first in all things.
@@sibusisonkosi6506 There were white ministers in his cabinet, and there we also many people of different ethnicities in Bop, so no, he wasn't all about Batswana. I wouldn't have had a problem even he was, simply because nobody is calling out batho ba Limpopo, Kwazulu natal, eastern cape and them for their ill treatment ya Batswana particularly mo Bophuthatswana.
@@user-lk5vp1sm4e my mother was 2nd generation Swati born ko Tlhabane, I'm 3rd. I speak only of her experience growing up in Bop. My grandfather became Bop MP after bo di Robben Island. So I know what I'm talking about.
Be that as it may, he was a chief ya Batswana, mo lefatsheng la Batswana ene a dirisa setso sa Batswana
@@user-lk5vp1sm4eWhich Xhosas and Zulus illtreat the tswanas? Get a life
This level of wisdom is unprecedented
A part 2 is a must.
I'm not sure about the Mmabatho stadium capacity however he is telling the truth about it's foundation, it is a monument. One of the reasons why Supra visited Rre Mangope was to get plans of the stadium so that he can demolish it and build a hotel.
I grew up in Lobatla we had airstrip , I saw inside a plane when I was in primary school I so wish 1994 didn’t happen
The man put an airport in Thaba Nchu chief 👌🏾 that’s smack bam in the Free State. Village folk knew what an airplane and airport was because of that man. Imagine what that could do for the average village child’s imagination. Knowing that things like that in the 70’s didn’t only exist on TV
It shouldn't have happened under those circumstances, but all hope is not lost.
Eysh Eysh... Sad... Very Sad
Ntate Ndabeni needs to return, so much we still need to learn from him
My mind is blown. Im a ndebele from Zimbabwe Mabhena clan.i would love to meet ubaba Charles Ndabeni.
Monarchy leadership is the way.
He's a consultant, ask Ntsiki to plug you
ANC messed up Bophuthatswana. It is depressing when you go to Mahikeng and Lehurutshe, if you ever knew what it looked like under Tau Tona. Road infrastructure were intact, the goods train moving agricultural produce was efficiently running, public service without corruption, shoes factories in Mogwase and Babelegi had multiple factories as well, which today are derelict. Silos are standing unused and dilapitation is everywhere. The then border post when entering Lehuretshe from the then RSA, was well looked after, giving the impression that you are 'entering' another country 🤣. They have absolutely destroyed everything that he built. There were plantations and Batswana were into different agricultural projects even producing a type of rice among other produce. Two years ago as I navigated the potholes of Mahikeng I remembered Tau tona saying: ' Mmuso wa mapantiti o tlo go re sotla.'
Can the plantations atleast be revived? 🤔
Bophuthtswana was developed by Pretoria. Where on earth would mangope have got the money to "create" anything. He was an ordinary bahurutse before he sold out and became tau tona.
The Apartheid regime helped Bophuthatswana like they did with all the other homelands so that the people could become self sustainable and uploft the different cultures to be proud and successful.
But the anc organised coups and spread propaganda under the youth who destroyed it all.
The same is happening to the whole country and you can call and blame the whites as much as you like and want, but the opportunities were there to develop and become self sufficient but black people are told they are slaves, opressed and not equal to whites.
If you hear it everyday, you will believe it.
The anc stole your pride, dignity. Culture and heritage to make you a black.
You hate the Afrikaner because they refuse to lose their identity like you did.
@@nomagcisacawe3297so then who is was supposed to be the legitimate Tau Tona?
@@BM-dr4eu No one. There was NOT supposed to have been a Boputhatswana in the first place.
Everything true he said about Rre Mangope and Bophuthatswana
Wow !! I could listen to this man forever👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I had to watch this episode twice.😍😍😍
Born and grew up in Bophutatswana. 🤩
We need more interviews about Bobuthatswana we need to learn more about our history
Makaphinde abuye uTatuNdabeni... Kusekunintsi ebesafuna usirhabulisa kona. Please try and ask him for a part 2 Ms Mazwai... And I thank you for the work you put in, in the selection of your guests. 👏🏽
This interview was so necessary. I grew up and my granny would tell fond stories about BOP. How it was destroyed is disgusting.
Here in Rustenburg a place called chaneng we still doin LETSEMA helping each other for sake of loving our community ❤
Oh Charles! Such a wealth of knowledge and passion about Batswana roots! Please bring him back!
Ntsiki’s reactions are amazing 😭😂😂😂 this is beautiful knowledge, jaka rele batho ba bantsho tlamile re itsi ngwao kgotsa setso so rona legore reya kae retswa kae☮️❤️🙂Pula
I remember during my school days in Bophuthatswana era, boys were taught handwork, girls were doing needle work and cooking. Gardening was compulsory for every learner.
Physical training and sports was made compulsory, we had nature reserve clubs at school, boys and girls scouts. Every child was made to attend school.
Im proud to say am from Mafikeng in a village near town called Magogoe Tlhabologo after this interview I've learn a lot that i didn't know about the history of my home town and its not only me but the majority of youth in mahikeng don't know their roots
We want him back please! !!!
Charles should be made a Township and Village Tourism Champion For Radical Transformation... We desperately need his knowledge urgently I said this in 2015 on Facebook
We can only be proud of this man as Batswana.. Thanks for bringing us this important epidose. I just saw the snippet on Facebook and came straight here ❤
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Knowledge like this is vital for our future.
I have had to watch this episode twice, last night and this morning. Talking about Mahikeng breaks me, those who don't know what Mahikeng stands for know nothing. This was a very informative episode, i wish he can come back again. Ntsiki please ask him which books is he currently reading
❣️ Themba - Babelegi
❣️ Mogwase - Bodirelo
❣️ Mafikeng
❣️ Mmabatho
❣️ Lehurutshe
❣️ Tlhabane
❣️ Madikwe
❣️ Pilanesburg
❣️ Taung
❣️ Thaba-nchu
❣️ Sun City
Airports, Shopping Complexes, Agricos(Farmer support), Industrial Sites/Factories, Game reserves, Casinos, Mmabanas, Efficient Public & Police Services.... List is endless.
knowledge architect,innovatative disruptor🔥🔥
Brilliance!
The shortest 1 hour ever. Wow, I'm lost for words to really express my gratitude. We really need him back. Wow, wow, wow, may God and our ancestors keep him for us. There's definitely a loooot to learn.
This is painful to write, Ntate o bua nnete, when we grew up there was something called a works, they basically owned tractors and machinery, everyone mo motseng used to work there, we were young but now that I think about it everything makes sense now. RIP to Rre Mangope, thanks Ntsiki and Ntate Ndabeni
Thank for bringing a knowledgeable person leader. What he is saying is evident in Mabopane. We had our own town. Industries, malls, private hospital and all the amenities😢 😢😢😢
Damn! damn! damn! Ntsiki, my sister, ausi waka... You keep over delivering these days ✋️ 🫡.
I think when you have one of those more, then once guests episodes. You need to have him and Moeletsi Mbeki and have a discussion.
Bob TV and Bob Radio were hands down the best. I remember the early 90s when their programmes were published in the TV guide. Oh my goodness, they had it all better than we did. All of a sudden Mangope was branded as a dictator and a sell out. ANC fucked us.
MaMiya Ntate Charles has to come back please. And thank you so much for always delivering.
This is so powerful my Ndebele Granma her family insisted on putting a cow skin in her grave never understood why they were doing that 🙏
Mind blowing. Thank you for this interview. I am from Mahikeng, and every time I go back home I'm saddened by the state of my town. Everything has been destroyed.
Mahikeng e utlwisa botlhoko😢
Yerrr, I knew there was something good about Mangophe. I'm in North West and people here always refer to Him.
I travel to Mahikeng, its a shame to see it being destroyed as is right now.
I would love to see african monarchs in africa. Thank you guest, well said
There’s a documentary called “The bloody miracle” on RUclips. It has reference of the AWB invasion he speaks of.
What ANC touches ANC destroys
I can't stop watching this.I'm blown away .
Am so emotional when you speak ka Bophuthatswana tjo ANC are truly "Mapantiti" like Kgosi Tau Tona use to call them..
And it all makes sense why they do not refurbish it. They hated that man with passion all because he didn't want to be controlled and steal .
Great episode sis Ntsiki and Moya team. Siyabonga. Yhoooo ukhongolose 🤔🤐🤫. I'm watching this very distracted today. Ngitobuya ngitobukela futsi.
Ntsiki Thank you so much 💓 for this interview🎉
"Future and development of this country" hits hard 😢
I can't stop watching. Once is not enough
Madumme please please have him back🇧🇼🇧🇼🇧🇼🇧🇼
Listening to what this gentleman says, it is exactly how our great Khemetic civilisation in Africa/Alkebulan fell! It was this type of sell out and corrupt leadership like we have now in most countries that led to the fall of the great unparalleled black civilisation in the continent, let alone the whole world 😢
I don't understand why Supra Mahomapelo is not on jail, that man has destroyed the North West
This the kind of content I signed up for... Dankie MaAfrica🎉
I agree with him on the first part, especially the part about Bophuthwatswana. When he spoke about the monarch that's when me and him lost each other. Where in Africa in 2024 find a King that will work for the good of the people. The chiefs' todays are same as politicians they won't help anyone. Unfortunately, all the information will not help as the world is going to get worse and worse. The world is headed for judgement and there is a saviour who is willing to save. Repent and Believe the Gospel
Let him and Gayton come together. These two men are what SA needs
Wow just woe wrt Boputhatswana
This is wisdom, thank you Mr Ndabeni
Incredible man....i learned so much in an hour.
what an incredible podcast ❤i’m from Bokone bophirima and now living in Sandton everytime i look at DaVinci but anyway that was so informative 🐐
err ntate Charles is a treasure with knowledge that deserve the stage more this bought leaders who are more interest in their own agenda and progressing their financial,colonial master.this is golden knowledge
Thank you, sesi Ntsiki, for deep information
Pls cc Ntsiki he must come we getting knowledgeable ❤lesedi khanya
Ntsiki please u tata must come back yho such knowledge 😮
Thank you sir. This episode made me re-think a lot of things
Part 2 is needed, please 🙏
TAUTONA YA MALOBA 🐆👑RRE MOTLOTLEGI MANYANE MONGOPE
Can we have him again please, I feel he still has more to unpack for us. So informative.
PS: Ntsiki my mom is single, retired. Very intelligent and grounded woman, well educated and self made. Looks hella good for 61. Tell dante I will make a great stepdaughter😂😂
Indeed, knowledge is power ❤❤❤❤❤
Indeed
Enkosi Mamiya for bringing uBaba Ndabeni kufuneka abuye futhi
Sir Ndabeni👏👏👏
Bravo Vuyisile, I am dumbfounded. We definitely need to build an African University
Ijaa, ntate Ndabeni made me so emotional. Remembering how Bophuthatswana was overthrown, brings tears
Ntsiki your reactions are gold 👌🏾📷 I enjoyed watching your response to the information
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This man... Wow
Ba Bolaile Bophuthatswana... Lebella Thaba Nchu E Ntse Jang 💔🥺
Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi used the same strategy for Ulundi in the KZN. Banks, Universities and other institutions.
Wow I’m impressed such a detailed reporting 👌🏿👌🏿
Nna I’m ready to die. We were too blessed to gave grown ko Bop.
I like the introduction ...mouse and an Elephant
The Africa We Want in 2063 needs Content. I am available for a Second Episode. Ntsiki Mazwai, I am waiting, Thanks again for the Confidence and Leadership. Good Returns with the Future of Africa and the World.