Spin Training in a Diamond DA20
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2019
- In this lesson, I learn about recognizing and recovering from incipient spins as well as fully developed spins in the Diamond DA20.
As always, this video is for entertainment purposes only. It has been heavily edited for time, and some context as well as safety information may be removed. Do not substitute for actual flight training.
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I apologize in advance for the audio quality of this video. One of the cables came loose during the flight and caused a lot of noise and static. I did my best to remove as much of it as I could in post production.
The professionalism and yet down-to-earth attitude of this instructor is just amazing. This is the kind of person you want behind the wheel when the shit hits the fan.
Wheel AND yoke lol
He's one of the best I've seen.
Can confirm that he is just as amazing instructing ground school! Can captivate students with humour and stories even with the most boring subjects
Or in the case of a spin, when the fan hits the shit..
@@richardweldon2062 😂
Watching a plane hurtled downward spinning like a top whilst the pilot casually chats is.... against every natural emotion I have. lol.
Very knowledgeable pilot....I love his style of teaching.....Hats off bro
The instructor demonstrated a spin on my first introductory flight and I asked for another. Coolest experience I had ever had at the time: One minute we were flying towards the sun and the next there was a panoramic view of the ground that, a split-second later, began spinning round and round.
The descent rate was about 6000 feet per minute, or over 60 mph. It was much more than the 1900 fpm where the VSI topped out. I zoomed the video in on the altimeter during the instructor's spin and saw that it took about 10 seconds of video play time to go from 6000 feet to 5000 feet. It may be helpful to point out to pilots that the Diamond is falling at freeway speeds in a spin.
Such a cool instructor!
Tim is an amazing instructor!!!
Awesome work man, great instructor!!! Really the guy you want when stuff gets bad.
Thank you for talking about the instruments! I was having trouble finding someone who spoke about the instruments specifically.
This (and other stuff) was part of my demonstration program between 92 and 95. I sold the DV20 (and the HK36 Super Dimona) during these times. Nice memories, thank you!
Excellent lesson.
I did spin training when I got my PPL... was the most scary fun ever...
Brilliant. Good job gentlemen..
Ahh spinning. Really pleased it was part of my training but 16 years on, I’m happy to watch it on a You Tube video. Nice instruction by the way. I had a lovely old instructor but he was a slightly crazy ex RAF Lightning pilot! 3 spins to the left, 3 spins to the right was more than enough 🤢
I remember being a little nervous the first time I was going to do spins, not knowing what to expect. Now as an instructor myself, they don't bother me in the least.
Very informative, thank you!
I’m going to go practice this in dcs tonight, extremely cool!
Very good instructor
Superb instruction. I should do my next BFR in a DA-20, practicing 45 kts spin entries. Happy feet!
Great instructor!!!
Good stuff !!!
He’s a good instructor
Blancolerio hammers this into our heads. Yoor job fellas
Tim is awesome!!
I’m TOTALLY going to substitute this for actual training! Thank you! You just saved me some time and money!
I know you're being sarcastic, but no! Bad! Haha
@@FlightTales 🤣 😉
That spins quite nicely. (as instructor, quick spin, yes it behaving, let's try a few more....). We would spin Cherokees in the 70's, they would barrel roll before entering the spin.
I’m currently training at MFC and did my spin training yesterday. It was a blast. I did 3 recoveries. First mistake was adding power during recovery. Never again did I do that again though. I just keep my wrist on the throttle to prevent the urge to push it forward.
Funny thing is, I wasn’t all that naseous after, but we had some really bad turbulence at 1200’ on the circuit for RWY24. That shook me up😂. Was out of it for the entire day after that🤣.
Nearing the end of my phase 1 training. I’m absolutely loving it!!!
Great video! This definitely brought a smile to my face 😁
Glad you enjoyed the video. MFC is a great place to do flight training and I'm happy to hear you're enjoying it. Good luck and have fun!
@@FlightTales of course! Thanks so much! Happy to know you’re familiar with Mfc. I feel at home when I’m there
nice video !
I took my intro flight last Saturday and I got nauseous just with that, I can't imagine practicing this! I think if I continue, Dramamine will be my best friend!
Don't do that. I know motion sickness sucks but you need to stay sharp to aviate etc. Accept that motion sickness affects many (incl pilots) - it's a fairly normal response. You will likely also get desensitized if you take it slowly and build up to the more stomach-churning exercises. Good luck!
Amazing
This was a good primer to watch. I actually have my spin recovery training flight this week and it's gonna be interesting to say the least.
how did it go?
Very good instructor.
Would have liked very much to have him as my instructor
You are awesome
Hi Flight Tales, great video! Do you do the recovery training as part of PPL or CPL?
In Canada, spin training is conducted for both PPL and CPL students (along with Recreational students); however, it is not on the PPL flight test, only on the CPL
@@FlightTales Thanks for your answer. That's interesting. When I practiced for my PPL in Germany, my FI spinned once, but he didn't require me to recover it. Of course several critical flight conditions were simulated but I would have wanted to conduct more spin training. I'm just getting started with ATPL Training, where under EASA conditions an UPRT is conducted especially to sensitize pilots for the correct reactions instead of heavy pulling on the elevators in whatever circumstance. I'll give my FI a call and ask him to take me around for a spin training next week.
Great quality video, thanks. I was just curious about the timing of un-stalling. I haven't done any spinning for years, but I thought we completely stopped the rotation before un-stalling to ensure we don't "jump out of the pot into the fire" and enter a spiral dive. Obviously you didn't enter a serial dive, but I was just curious about that point.
what's a serial dive and have instructors ever gone out of the pot and into the fire? and if so, how did they recover and did they require another 2000 feet of recovery and thus would end up at 2000' ?
@@dabneyoffermein595 sorry, it was a spell completion mistake. Spiral dive, not serial.
Instructor, I held that in for about what, 5 - 7 seconds......timer = 20 seconds.....student, I'm ready to go back now! Lol
Do you the g effects in your stomach? Such as getting a Zero G feeling in your stomach? I hate that feeling during stalls 😂
nice :))
nice video!!
This airframe spins well. Must have a lot of fin and rudder. Good airplane. We don't see the DA20 down under. Your ASI never exceed etc., not marked in red like down here.
Thanks! I’m training on the DA-20!
Best of luck! The DA20 is a fun aircraft to train on
I wish we had u tube when I was learning to fly
I wish he were be my instructor.
17 spins wow
I was looking forward to the announced video about "spiral dives", but where is it????
The course I was enrolled in was a very fast paced course, post production on the videos takes several hours which I unfortunately did not have the time to dedicate to. I will start post production on the rest of my video footage soon and start uploading more videos, so stay tuned.
@@FlightTales I am looking forward to it. Pretty scary stuff though. :)
Does the nose come up before pulling back?
You mean when he is trimming for stall horn?
what's the name of that flight school please?
Moncton Flight College
You can see how clean these aircraft are by the rate of speed increase in recovery.
They are a nimble little aircraft that is for sure!
Why did you stop making videos?
Really? DA 20 is certified for spins? I learned on that patricular one, and i was always told its not certified for intentional spins. However, good to see, how easy it is to recover.
Yes, according to the POH, s. 2.9 "Spinning (with wing flaps up) approved for aircraft NOT equipped with altitude compensating fuel system."
@@FlightTales Well....it has fuel pump and injection. Therefore...it should be approved.
@@aliebalieb6731 Intentional spins are out of this world. It hardens the stomach and brain to understand how to survive when it really happens , and it will to everyone. those who went through this training are the one's still of this earth and sipping on cognac.
All of this is done under VFR and no ATC notices are required?
Do you at least announce on CTAF that you're performing training maneuvers in an area relative to an airfield?
Isn't there a chance there's a new ATController at a center seeing a dot on a screen that near stops then shows the altitude dropping at 8k'/m and they're calling their supervisor to get ready to notify FAA for a downed aircraft?
This is all conducted in an established training area specifically designated as such. Relavant radio calls are made to the training area frequency; however, as pointed on in the description, the video is edited for time and you don't hear these radio calls.
He had that power grip on the dash.... I would have broken a chunk off.
I was just watching how fast that altitude dial dropped.
Better to check first the surroundings on other aircrafts by performing an (half) 8 turn before performing the spin.
As previously stated in the video, and the description and in other comments, all safety checks were done prior to each and every spin. This video is purely for entertainment purposes and has been edited for time, it is not meant to be instructional.
i'm pretty sure if you look closely, you can see edits in the video...at least I do but I do a lot of editing so I see the virtual splices.
@@FlightTales Okay thanks, so the video started after the checks. Perfect.
I want you as my spin instructor pls
Where do you teach out of
I am the student in this video, not the instructor.
Can anyone describe the *feeling* of these spins? 😅🙏
Is the Da20 aerobatic approved ?
No; but spins with flaps up are OK (unless you have altitude-compensating fuel system which few do).
Bro, so what ended up happening? you get your PPL? did you become a commercial pilot? why'd you stop uploading
Doing a one year integrated course is very intensive. Post production on videos takes a fare amount of time and I found myself lacking the time to produce videos as I had to concentrate on my studies. I completed all my training, worked as a flight instructor and am now employed as an FO at a regional airline.
@@FlightTales damn that’s fucking awesome. Congratulations bro. I appreciate the content that you uploaded already
So an incipient spin recovery is basically a non vertical wing over? Pitch up, rudder, plane 180s with nose drop, catch it with opposite rudder? No flying experience other than sims, i start ppl classes next week, its wayyyy more fun to practice this kind of stuff in vr flight sim. These videos are the only reason i have confidence to try lol
I suppose there are some similarities, but a wing over involved yawing with no roll whereas a spin there is roll as a wing drops due to being more stalled than the other
During the spin the aileron natural not should be full back , i noticed that two times , other things was amazing :)
Is the instructor my boy Tim from MFC?
It sure is!
I wish someone teach me this in my school
I am grateful that it is still mandatory training in Canada. I would much rather experience something like this for the first time in a controlled environment, rather than by surprise less than 1000' from the ground.
@@FlightTales I completely agree, we as pilots should be ready for dealing with any unexpected situation we can face.
I'm doing spins next week in the Da40. wish me luck LMAO
The DA40 is not approved for spins so I certainly hope that is not the case.
@@FlightTales oh my bad I meant the DA20! I believe it's because of the dual wing tanks on the 40?
What happened to the channel ???
try reading AC 61-67...you may learn something.....more than one turn requires chutes!!!!!!!!
That would require us to be in the USA, which we are not. Here in Canada, fully developed spins are part of the Private Pilot curriculum.
Oh, "East of Cocagne", chinese accent, 100% Moncton Flight College isn't it ? :)
I was a student there until december 2018 :)
You would be correct haha
Missing clearing turns... I guess edited out, but will be important to mention.
Yes, all safety precautions were conducted but edited out for time. As stated in the video description and at the start of the video, this video is for entertainment purposes only and not meant to be instructional. Always consult with a flight instructor before conducting any new maneuvers in an aircraft.
:))
FYI, you are lucky you are in Canada. (I'm judging by the accents; you guys just can't pronounce the word "about" right.) Under U.S. rules, an instructor cannot "deliberately" put a student into a full spin. Such a crazy rule since spins are what kill 90% of general aviation pilots. My instructor here in U.S. would put the plane into an incipient spin (legal), and let it go into full spin "by itself" so I could practice recoveries. (Thanks, Ruben.)
That's very strange. How do aerobatics courses work there? I recommend that any pilot take such a course. It greatly increases your confidence in regards to aircraft control and lets you really develop a feel for how aircraft respond in all flight conditions and it's also way fun.
Your instructor can if you are doing upset maneuver training or aerobatics training.
That's nonsense. Cite the FAR or cheif council legal opinion that says that. You don't know what you're talking about.
Any CFI can conduct spin training with any candidate who is working towards any rating, no parachutes required.
See the Fitzpatrick-Spartan College interpretation (2018)
7 seconds?? try 22
Didn't some just die in spin training on this? IU heard it's not approved for intentional spinning? Literally the video that is newer than this just before this one was auto played.
This plane is clearly not as safe as they say.
I don't know what video you just watched, so I can't speak to that. There was a recent crash involving a DA42 doing spin training, and countless involving the DA 40, neither of which are spin approved, yet people continue to attempt fate. The DA20 however, very much is spin approved, it is written out in the aircraft's manual, and is very safe to do spin training in with an experienced, qualified instructor.
"We're descending 1900-2000 feet mer minute" ? Rather 2000 feet in 20 seconds, that's about 6000 feet per minute... Don't try this at home.
The VSI in these aircraft top out at 2000, anything beyond that is a guessing game unless you do the math afterwards haha
Why is he wearing shoulder bars in a DA? Weird.
Some structured flights schools, like mine, have students / instructors wear bars to indicate their licence level. His 3 bars indicate he is a class 3 or 4 instructor.
That's a flight school thing. Varies from one to the next.
Epaulettes*
Nope. I said what I said.
As a flight instructor, he is first and foremost a commercial pilot, thats why he have the 3 bars, PPL is 2 bars. ATPL 4 bars. For example, if he had his ATPL, as an instructor he would have had 4 bars.
Sorry but the demonstrated method of spin entry is completely the WRONG way to demonstrate/teach spin entry, particularly for the purpose of spin recognition/prevention! (and recovery of course). Spin entry should only be demonstrated/taught off a slow over-ruddered (ie stalled and skidded) gliding turn....THE WAY SPIN ACCIDENTS HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE! As the tiger moth instructors used to drum into their students' heads "Don't stall and skid in a gliding turn, or for sure you'll crash and burn!". You can also turn this demonstration very nicely into a spiral dive by just relaxing the back pressure on the stick a fraction as the incipient spin transitions to a full spin, which allows good recognition of the distinguishing features of a spin and a spiral dive.
I hate it when the wings drop to 50°.. As soon as he did the one roll..ok let's go back full stop...I'm done!!!
haha.... spins are kind of one of those things that you either love them or hate them, there isn't usually much middle ground. I happen to fall into the category of enjoying them.
@@FlightTales I would fall under the category of one who hates them
@@dustnbrewks8978 --- just out of curiosity, why do you hate power-off stall spins?
@@dabneyoffermein595 maybe I was being a little dramatic. I don’t really care for spins. Just not a fan of spinning and losing a bunch of altitude in a matter of seconds. I’d rather cruise around!
free motion sickness, with every spin training session.
Amazing