Idk if it was mentioned, but Powerless fans are harrassing Victoria online and accusing her of stealing. She's had to tell multiple people multiple times to check the facts before attacking someone. Idk if Lauren is telling her fans to stop and admitted RQ inspired her. Otherwise, it makes her look a huge P-word and will ruin her reputation going forward 🤷🏼♀️
I'm sorry what? They just don't check the book publishing dates? How is that possible? And how does Lauren doesn’t know this? Because that's something very serious and should be handled immediately.
@@Dani_77709 I mean, the ppl attacking her are like 16 and TikTok-brained, so I don't blame them, specifically. I do take umbrage with Lauren trying to be cheeky and tiptoe around her alleged plagiarism, while ignoring her toxic fans. I notice this behavior with a TON of popular authors like SJM. They can try to hide behind their screens and not take responsibility, but their fans do and will listen if they, point blank, tell them to stop being assholes. But also, ppl like SJM can't take criticism, so their behavior only benefits her. 🤦🏼♀️
I read powerless over the summer and the whole time I kept feeling like it was red queen. This was before I even knew there was discourse about it online. I will say though the biggest difference for me between the books is the rebels in red queen are super strong and in powerless they dissolve in the first book. In that sense I felt it was different. But like they both sneak out of the castle to go join the rebels, and that part felt to similar for me.
I read Red Queen a couple of years ago and really enjoyed it. For some reason Powerless was so hard to get through for me. And I kept thinking it was too predictable. When I heard the comparison to Red Queen it made sense why it was so predictable to be me. It became a copy cat and did not just take inspiration.
@@td02fe It sounds like you and Ellie had similar experiences where Powerless felt familiar and once the connection to RQ was made you couldn’t unsee it!
@@lamebookclubpod Exactly .100% correct. I thought of maybe re-reading Powerless to see if I feel differently but it feels like a chore and reading should be enjoyable. Maybe I will just stick to summaries of that series on RUclips. I really enjoy your channel!!!
i haven't read powerless and i've only read red queen a few years back when it was released, but it seems to me that lauren took heavy inspiration from popular ya books way back when and didn't put enough of a spin to it to differentiate her work from her inspirations. but in a way, she does acknowledge that those were her inspirations. for now, i can chalk it up to this being her first book and being written when she was younger, but if the trend continues on to her future stories... i won't know how to feel.
Great espisode❤ I read red queen first years ago and loved it 🥰 when I read powerless I just couldn’t get behind it because of the similarities. Understand both of your points great video
The sheer percentage of similarities--even the tedious, minor, itty-bitty ones, could be a case for Victoria, in my opinion. In college, we have sites that check our papers and if we're above a certain percentage of non-original writing, we're penalized for plagiarism. The fact that there are SO MANY tiny details that are EXACTLY the same in both books is my problem. Yes, the endings are different, but there's SO MUCH that ISN'T. It just comes down to how much an authority figure (legal personnel) think is too much. Where's the threshold where similarities overflow into "okay this is just straight up copying".
This whole thing reminds me also of the vampire academy books by richelle mead and how jeniffer l armentrout has a series many people just say is straight up the vampire academy books with differnt caracter names
@@carolinesch. WHAT!!! Which JLA series is rumored to be a rip off of Vampire Academy? Is it the FBAA series? I haven’t heard anyone compare the two, but I’ve read FBAA so now I need to read Vampire Academy so I can compare!!!!
@@lamebookclubpod half blood. basically vampire academy with a greek Twist, I have read all of vampire academy and the first half blood book and I didnt continue with the series
And then there is me in my review of the lightlark sequel that is just a list about all the scenes and things are are just straight from the same 3 books over and over and over😅
@@lamebookclubpodok long comment because I have a lot of feelings about nightbane.... honestly I liked the little stuff that reminded me of other books in lightlark, like grim having the same Set of powers as rhys because well we all like rhys, or of course the people with the water powers also can kinda heal because thats what they are associated with in stiff like Avatar. But there were so many scenes and type of scenes that just took me out of the story, Its not that it copied one book plot or magic system but for me book 2 just felt like she took what is currently popular and people say they really like from a few books and remixed them together wothout that many original ideas. When I got to the "who did this to you" scene for example, super popular trope but him then eliminating all the guys not just one, was super intersting way to do that trope a bit different. The structure reminded me so much of acotar in general, the main character is together with her guy everything should be a happy ending now but she is not happy, she is kinda down and has nighmares, she than has to see herself work together with the guy she cant stand im her memories, oro suddenly has his own inner circle of friends with similar casual dynamics even though he is the King, the dancing scene where grim just has to be there and watch her reminded me kinda of nesta in her book but its also a popular trope, the whole scene where the romantasy couple has to get to the guy with the info about the sword and scenes where rhys takes feyra to the bone carver, a old being in a dangerous place for info and the whole setup what that Trip does to the couples dynamic and relationship. The whole dancing and her in the clothes at that Club to seduce the guy while grim is there to witness it is such a popular fanfiction trope, I have read that scene just like that so many times, that was kinda funny, there is one single line where he calls her an investment and that is such a huge thing for the six of crows books and fandom, one of the main phareses that people recognise as that particual fandom and on merch. Also the main problem in the trilogy in that same World is a rift of darkness in the earth that causes Chaos and our one guy with shadow powers from the love triangle has to solve that as the general from his army. But a lot of little thing reminded me so much of the crule prince trilogy: the biggest thing is having a dramatic, dont touch her she is my wife reveal, in the crule prince our main girl finds a Page that is entirely just "i hate jude" from the guy trying to convince himslef he actually isnt into her and in nightbane she take a piece of paper and write "i hate him" over and over. When isla goes to to the snake woman to try to convince her to fight, I went lol its like when cardan turned into a snake and the next sentence I read was the snake turned into a human. Also a lot of the wild wildlings are described pretty similar and have the same vibe or act the same as some types of fae in Holly Blacks books. The whole Ritual to get her familiar, I have read something like that before of a girl connecting to her indegious Land and going through a Ritual where she is dressed up to go alone into a part of the Dschungel go get her special animal connection, only there she later realised she already has that without the Ritual. The only thing I cant completly place is the cave scene, I remember reading that, it wasnt a straight up fanstasy book but this guy is on this Mission and has to get a clue from a cave and he goes there everyday and makes it further and further into the multiple traps only for it to at the end not be one he can outsmart but just a dragon. And back then I was reminded of the cave in harry potter to be honest And I have watched a lot of reviews that opened my eyes to a few stuff I didnt completly pick up on, in book 1, not silly stuff like naming everybody very obvious and in spanish or one of the sky twins just ciel aka sky in french, like Alex Aster advertising that as somebody who is Latina and native she will subvert the spicy Latina trope only for isla to be played pretty much straight into the Stereotyp, the advertising of poc hungergames only for the main characters to be mostly just this none descript fantasy tan and the only explicitly Black character azul has the tragic, gay his lover is dead trope and get to have the conversation to isla about having kids was a choice
I didn't read Powerless, but i love Red Queen. What bother me the most are little things, the scenes. I listened to the first chapter of Powerless and I found that scene when she meets Kai very similar to powerless. As a writer from Romania where you can't make much money of writing, with all due respect i find Lauren Roberts very lazy. She should wrote about the girl who meet 2 princes, but kill one of them and see what happens after that. She didn't even try to make the similar scenes look differen. There are so many writers who put a lot of work and stress a lot about the originality of their novel and try harder to make the book original even if the book is inspired by another. I published a dystopian book pretty similar to Shatter me by Tahereh Mafi where people also got super powers because of the vegetation , but i created a world where religion is forbidden and God believers die and the people are forced to worship an ex dead scientist that saved the world from dying decades before . It also have multiple povs from many many villains in order to create a mystery. What i'm trying to say here: is that I love Shatter me and i was inspired by it, but i think i did my best to create my own piece of work while is still similar. I know Lauren Roberts loves Victoria Aveyard's writing and books but i think if she loves her she should respect her and should rewrite Powerless and do an effort to try at least change the little things.
@@zvetlaly HAHAHA not “bad” necessarily, but definitely not a word that most people like throwing around. I was referring to p**sy. I don’t want to spell it out completely and potentially get flagged in my own comment section 😅😂
Idk if it was mentioned, but Powerless fans are harrassing Victoria online and accusing her of stealing. She's had to tell multiple people multiple times to check the facts before attacking someone. Idk if Lauren is telling her fans to stop and admitted RQ inspired her. Otherwise, it makes her look a huge P-word and will ruin her reputation going forward 🤷🏼♀️
I'm sorry what? They just don't check the book publishing dates? How is that possible?
And how does Lauren doesn’t know this? Because that's something very serious and should be handled immediately.
@@Dani_77709 I mean, the ppl attacking her are like 16 and TikTok-brained, so I don't blame them, specifically. I do take umbrage with Lauren trying to be cheeky and tiptoe around her alleged plagiarism, while ignoring her toxic fans. I notice this behavior with a TON of popular authors like SJM. They can try to hide behind their screens and not take responsibility, but their fans do and will listen if they, point blank, tell them to stop being assholes. But also, ppl like SJM can't take criticism, so their behavior only benefits her. 🤦🏼♀️
I read powerless over the summer and the whole time I kept feeling like it was red queen. This was before I even knew there was discourse about it online. I will say though the biggest difference for me between the books is the rebels in red queen are super strong and in powerless they dissolve in the first book. In that sense I felt it was different. But like they both sneak out of the castle to go join the rebels, and that part felt to similar for me.
I read Red Queen a couple of years ago and really enjoyed it. For some reason Powerless was so hard to get through for me. And I kept thinking it was too predictable. When I heard the comparison to Red Queen it made sense why it was so predictable to be me. It became a copy cat and did not just take inspiration.
@@td02fe It sounds like you and Ellie had similar experiences where Powerless felt familiar and once the connection to RQ was made you couldn’t unsee it!
@@lamebookclubpod Exactly .100% correct. I thought of maybe re-reading Powerless to see if I feel differently but it feels like a chore and reading should be enjoyable. Maybe I will just stick to summaries of that series on RUclips. I really enjoy your channel!!!
@@td02fe thank you so much!!!🫶🏼🫶🏼
i haven't read powerless and i've only read red queen a few years back when it was released, but it seems to me that lauren took heavy inspiration from popular ya books way back when and didn't put enough of a spin to it to differentiate her work from her inspirations. but in a way, she does acknowledge that those were her inspirations.
for now, i can chalk it up to this being her first book and being written when she was younger, but if the trend continues on to her future stories... i won't know how to feel.
Great espisode❤ I read red queen first years ago and loved it 🥰 when I read powerless I just couldn’t get behind it because of the similarities. Understand both of your points great video
@@rhiannilsson220 thank you so much!!
The sheer percentage of similarities--even the tedious, minor, itty-bitty ones, could be a case for Victoria, in my opinion. In college, we have sites that check our papers and if we're above a certain percentage of non-original writing, we're penalized for plagiarism. The fact that there are SO MANY tiny details that are EXACTLY the same in both books is my problem. Yes, the endings are different, but there's SO MUCH that ISN'T. It just comes down to how much an authority figure (legal personnel) think is too much. Where's the threshold where similarities overflow into "okay this is just straight up copying".
This whole thing reminds me also of the vampire academy books by richelle mead and how jeniffer l armentrout has a series many people just say is straight up the vampire academy books with differnt caracter names
@@carolinesch. WHAT!!! Which JLA series is rumored to be a rip off of Vampire Academy? Is it the FBAA series? I haven’t heard anyone compare the two, but I’ve read FBAA so now I need to read Vampire Academy so I can compare!!!!
@@lamebookclubpod half blood. basically vampire academy with a greek Twist, I have read all of vampire academy and the first half blood book and I didnt continue with the series
@@carolinesch. Gotcha! Thanks for letting us know. I’m going to read these now because I’m too curious not to 😂
And then there is me in my review of the lightlark sequel that is just a list about all the scenes and things are are just straight from the same 3 books over and over and over😅
@@carolinesch. what books?! I loved Nightbane 🥲🥲
@@lamebookclubpodok long comment because I have a lot of feelings about nightbane....
honestly I liked the little stuff that reminded me of other books in lightlark, like grim having the same Set of powers as rhys because well we all like rhys, or of course the people with the water powers also can kinda heal because thats what they are associated with in stiff like Avatar. But there were so many scenes and type of scenes that just took me out of the story, Its not that it copied one book plot or magic system but for me book 2 just felt like she took what is currently popular and people say they really like from a few books and remixed them together wothout that many original ideas. When I got to the "who did this to you" scene for example, super popular trope but him then eliminating all the guys not just one, was super intersting way to do that trope a bit different. The structure reminded me so much of acotar in general, the main character is together with her guy everything should be a happy ending now but she is not happy, she is kinda down and has nighmares, she than has to see herself work together with the guy she cant stand im her memories, oro suddenly has his own inner circle of friends with similar casual dynamics even though he is the King, the dancing scene where grim just has to be there and watch her reminded me kinda of nesta in her book but its also a popular trope, the whole scene where the romantasy couple has to get to the guy with the info about the sword and scenes where rhys takes feyra to the bone carver, a old being in a dangerous place for info and the whole setup what that Trip does to the couples dynamic and relationship. The whole dancing and her in the clothes at that Club to seduce the guy while grim is there to witness it is such a popular fanfiction trope, I have read that scene just like that so many times, that was kinda funny,
there is one single line where he calls her an investment and that is such a huge thing for the six of crows books and fandom, one of the main phareses that people recognise as that particual fandom and on merch. Also the main problem in the trilogy in that same World is a rift of darkness in the earth that causes Chaos and our one guy with shadow powers from the love triangle has to solve that as the general from his army.
But a lot of little thing reminded me so much of the crule prince trilogy: the biggest thing is having a dramatic, dont touch her she is my wife reveal, in the crule prince our main girl finds a Page that is entirely just "i hate jude" from the guy trying to convince himslef he actually isnt into her and in nightbane she take a piece of paper and write "i hate him" over and over. When isla goes to to the snake woman to try to convince her to fight, I went lol its like when cardan turned into a snake and the next sentence I read was the snake turned into a human. Also a lot of the wild wildlings are described pretty similar and have the same vibe or act the same as some types of fae in Holly Blacks books.
The whole Ritual to get her familiar, I have read something like that before of a girl connecting to her indegious Land and going through a Ritual where she is dressed up to go alone into a part of the Dschungel go get her special animal connection, only there she later realised she already has that without the Ritual.
The only thing I cant completly place is the cave scene, I remember reading that, it wasnt a straight up fanstasy book but this guy is on this Mission and has to get a clue from a cave and he goes there everyday and makes it further and further into the multiple traps only for it to at the end not be one he can outsmart but just a dragon. And back then I was reminded of the cave in harry potter to be honest
And I have watched a lot of reviews that opened my eyes to a few stuff I didnt completly pick up on, in book 1, not silly stuff like naming everybody very obvious and in spanish or one of the sky twins just ciel aka sky in french, like Alex Aster advertising that as somebody who is Latina and native she will subvert the spicy Latina trope only for isla to be played pretty much straight into the Stereotyp, the advertising of poc hungergames only for the main characters to be mostly just this none descript fantasy tan and the only explicitly Black character azul has the tragic, gay his lover is dead trope and get to have the conversation to isla about having kids was a choice
It sounds to me like this was almost like a fanfic that got published.
@@lindasadler6338 😅😅😅 I hate to admit that I think you’re right, because I (Melissa) loved Powerless, but my goodness the similarities are damning
I didn't read Powerless, but i love Red Queen. What bother me the most are little things, the scenes. I listened to the first chapter of Powerless and I found that scene when she meets Kai very similar to powerless. As a writer from Romania where you can't make much money of writing, with all due respect i find Lauren Roberts very lazy. She should wrote about the girl who meet 2 princes, but kill one of them and see what happens after that. She didn't even try to make the similar scenes look differen. There are so many writers who put a lot of work and stress a lot about the originality of their novel and try harder to make the book original even if the book is inspired by another. I published a dystopian book pretty similar to Shatter me by Tahereh Mafi where people also got super powers because of the vegetation , but i created a world where religion is forbidden and God believers die and the people are forced to worship an ex dead scientist that saved the world from dying decades before . It also have multiple povs from many many villains in order to create a mystery. What i'm trying to say here: is that I love Shatter me and i was inspired by it, but i think i did my best to create my own piece of work while is still similar. I know Lauren Roberts loves Victoria Aveyard's writing and books but i think if she loves her she should respect her and should rewrite Powerless and do an effort to try at least change the little things.
I can't for the life of me figure out what the bad p word is. Someone please help
@@zvetlaly HAHAHA not “bad” necessarily, but definitely not a word that most people like throwing around.
I was referring to p**sy. I don’t want to spell it out completely and potentially get flagged in my own comment section 😅😂
Poverty?
I mean its not really about the video but jungle book ( book) came sooner than tarzan book , something like 18 year sooner .