man you know fuckall, it like i only move when people are not looking cause am come from behind kinda guy, it the same with the weeping angles it just that the doctor likes to talk out of his ass
Reminder that the best Weeping Angel stories aren't even on TV. Touched By An Angel and The Weeping Angels of Mons are absolutely superb stories, and more people should recognise the two stories more.
You can see the Angels of Mons comic in video form. The channel is called Beep the Meep. The videos are basically just a slideshow of the comic panels, but if you want a more easily accessible version instead of buying a physical one, it works. Link: ruclips.net/video/VFKcbdoFbN4/видео.html
Totally agree with you that we needed more Capaldi. I believe that the veiled figure in Heaven Sent was supposed to be an Angel in one draft. So glad they decided not to use an angel.
@@benjamincoak4829 Under Moffat, they were just too one-note. Maybe the next showrunner, as Chibnall doesn't seem interesting in reusing secondary villains, could give them new purpose or utility.
I mean that WW1 story sounds amazing, just adapt that, make the angles look like real angles saving people and the dr an insane person on the battlefield It would be fantastic
@@SamyulDavis - if I saw a Weeping Angel today I wouldn't even consider the possibility of it touching me. Even our Auton PM understands social distancing.
Seriously how the fuck does anyone not see the fuckin thing move. Literally all the eyes of New York would be seeing that shit, especially if it got off the little island it’s on. Can’t believe I’m saying this, but Ghostbusters II was more dignified to the Statue of Liberty than Angels in Manhattan.
Also every picture of an angel is supposed to become an angel right? There’s TONS of footage of the statue of liberty...yet you don’t see everyone’s postcards sprouting angels lol. It was just such a dumb inclusion. But season 7 as a whole was super weird like that.
I know you don't like that Russell commissioned Steven with the Doctor-lite in Series 3, but if it helps, he was originally supposed to do the Dalek two-parter. He "messed them around" and took the Doctor-lite to make up for it. It was his own fault, really. Fair play to Helen, writing a two-part Dalek story with an unreasonable deadline is ridiculous. The story was never gonna be great, but she still managed to produce something of note. I'm so glad Steven did take the Doctor-lite tho. I'm not hard for Blink like others, but it is pretty great.
Daleks in Manhatten/Evolution of the Daleks is my favourite guilty pleasure story. Really would have liked to see Moffat's take on that concept though.
@@Ben-vf5gk - it's a real shame because Nazi experimenter/KKK Daleks is so new, but this is the only time we actually get to see them in their element, and...well, it's not ideal. I love the idea of the Cult of Skaro so much that I can actually enjoy the episodes too. Ten's a little off, but it's a fun time with new ideas (mostly Russell's, I imagine.)
@@nightowl8477 I love 10's performance in it, he's overacting sure, but I love the scene after Solomon dies and he loses it. Tbh I think it might have been better as a Dr lite story and have the Cult of Skaro just fighting amongst themselves. It definitely would have been better anywhere other than New York because dear God those accents.
@@Ben-vf5gk - it is camp sci-fi done fun. It's a romp, but maybe it was too early days for such a light Dalek story. I mean, by that point they were still endgame-level foes.
Credit to Moffat for creating one of the only monsters in new who that have become as iconic as the Daleks, Cyberman and Master. I just wish the show used its other new villains more. I get that the Silence were wrapped up in 11's arc so it would be weird if we saw them post Time of the Dr and as much as I love them the Vashta Nerada are about as gimmicky as the angels and only work in certain settings. But I think the Boneless have a lot of potential that we're missing out on.
Love the music your using. It’s from damaged goods right? The big finish adaptation. Aaaaa man that’s good one. Any way yeh stone lady’s with grrr face. Love em. Don’t think they’ve had a bad outing. Some much better than others but never wasted. Still don’t think we should have seen them move though. I thought that was a bit stinky.
Also it would be very wrong if 10 years from now they did a story we’re all of the statues that got rightfully torn down turned out to be weeping angels? Yes yes it probably would be incredibly distasteful but I couldn’t help thinking of it.
I think the whole Blue Peter thing had some level of merit An Angel that wants to feed off of the potential energy of an important object instead of a person is a neat idea, just a shame it was never really picked up again I'm not sure how the plot would work, but Angels infiltrating a museum to grab an especially important art piece whilst blending in as exhibits is a fun concept that I'm sure someone could make a good plot with. Maybe the plot revolves around the Doctor planning a heist to steal the macguffin before the Angels do?
As interesting as that idea is, its your one! It didn't want to do that, it wanted to ruin the Olympic games and crush the world's hopes and spirits lmao
They need to do something like A Quiet Place or Bird Box but with The Angels. Like, characters fleeing from a world overrun by Angels, having to come up with designated 'blink safe' areas or something. There's gotta be a writer who can do the idea justice more than one time in 2007.
4:56 Oh I know! I loved that series, but man, it was a continuity explosion. Touched by an Angel is honestly one of the best Angel stories in my opinion, as the whole story is just so good.
2:30 my (2 sort of) fan theorys about the origins of the weeping angels is as follows: 1: the marble plague was a super weapon on Gehanna that got out of control(it’s likely that it is a creation of the gehannan’s seeing that the 12 doctor told the last survivors were there race did wrong implying that they have something to do with the marble storm) 2: the weeping angels were a super weapon created by a extinct(pre space travel) race that were at war, & the weeping angels were genetically modified soldiers that went Insane & reverted back to there primal instincts to survive & killed/turned everyone(they were whether or not they have the ability to turn any image of them into an angel or they somehow evolved that is up to you cause 🎶I can’t decide🎶 But then eventually a ship came to the planet most angels were either already dead or on deaths door when an opportunity arose(at this point let’s just say they have become as intelligent as there creators) they hitched a ride on the ship & when they got desperate enough they killed the entire crew. Over(a very short) time they figured out the ships basic controls & crashed & the nearest populated planet & the rest is history p.s the is still a lot of mystery in this story like how they developed time travel powers & telekinetic powers & the rest, hope you like it😁
I always wanted to know what would happen if you just threw a blanket over one of them. Would they be able to move, since we're technically not looking at them? Because then we could get a real sense of how they move, and how fast they really are. And if things get really bad, you can just try and poke a hole in the blanket, so that you will see part of them, and they'll freeze.
Lost Angel is just 1h, maybe that's more palatable? I quite enjoyed it. Nothing groundbreaking but a fun little story and a good introduction to two new companions.
i remember the time of the angels being the first new who story i can think of i remember sneaking downstairs in the evening and seeing the angels and it scared the hell out of me.
Just to reiterate something you mentioned, "The Lost Angel" is genuinely good and does some fun stuff with the angels. Definitely worth renting on a library app and listening to on a drive sometime. It even kicks off a neat little mini-series with unique companions too, and the whole thing is actually pretty enjoyable. Like Big Finish on a budget.
@@SamyulDavis Hah! Well just don't blame me if you end up with some odd dreams. Small Disclaimer: It doesn't do anything particularly groundbreaking, but I do think it's fun to see 12 vs. the Angels and more storytelling competency on display than I was expecting from an audio-only tale. My advice? Just give it a fair shake, but don't expect too much and you might come away with a smile.
The Silence could've competed with the Angels for a iconic recurring new who villian - butttt then Moffatt tied them directly to the series 5-7 series arcs making them have no point afterwards
My weeping angels episode ranking 1: Time Of The Angles (Personal Favorite Of the 11th Doctor era.) 2: Blink (Probably The only Doctor-Lite episode I actually like.) 3: Angels Take Manhattan (A fairly dull episode that’s only saved by compelling drama and my love for Art Deco noir stories.) 4: Flesh and Stone (A disappointing Fallow up with my main complaint being that it’s so forgettable that I’m having trouble remembering what happens in it.)
i think, to be fair, one of the reasons flesh and stone is disappointing is because the new gimmick set up in it -an image of an angel becomes an angel -isn't solved in an imaginative way to be honest. Amy trying to get away from the Angels without being able to open her eyes is REALLY scary, but it's undercut by how easily she escapes the situation. The only way to get rid of an angel is apparently to have a crack in space and time or something of the like in handy and make sure they end up in it. That kind of hard-to-defeat position makes it really difficult for follow-up writers to give the characters anything to fend off the angels something -it shouldn't be to foolproof or easy to fend of angels to be sure, but there SHOULD be a solution less brute force than a crack in space and time. Like, maybe an image of an angel doesn't become an angel after all if you don't think about it too much, but the more scared you are of the angels (and consequently think about them), the easier it is for them to manifest.
I think just turn them invisible for some reason, but keep the quantum lock thing... You still can't blink, but now you don't know where to look either!
I really stopped caring for them when after they started showing up after Blink, like they are a great idea, like I absolutely love that horror aspect to them, but like anything that is a smash hit you just gotta keep trying to repeat it and just run it into the ground, I feel like they probably work best at small story fodder if they tried to do different aspects of it, like that WW1 story, actually sounds dark and interesting, they really were the last great iconic monster though because I can't think of anything that has been literally everywhere since they first appeared
It’s the middle of the night, you wake up in your bed feeling as though someone or something is watching you. You look around and see no one else at all. The only other thing in the room is an old painting of a forest, it looked almost as though there was a figure in the trees. You could’ve swarm in the past the painting was empty. You switch the light on only for it to quickly flicker off. You try again to turn it on but it won’t light up, maybe the power has gone out you think. You turn and realise the figure you saw in the painting is now more visible, it’s a statue. Was it just your Imagination or had it moved. You turn to pick up a lighter when suddenly you feel a chill in the room. There’s a breeze but your windows are all shut the breeze is from behind you, from the painting. You spark up the lighter and see that there is now a stone hand reaching out of the painting. The small flame gets blown out by the breeze and in the darkness you feel a touch more cold than ice, a touch that goes right through you. Then you’re blinded by a flash of lightning and deafened by the sound of rain and waves. You feel your body become submerged in icy water as the waves crash all around you. All alone in the stormy ocean You sink under the waves out of shock.
A strange piece of angel media that I don't think anyone will find. However I remember taking part in an immersive performance of a weeping angel adventure. It started off as a museum about a crashed boat called the elysium then soldiers barged in that the doctor had sent and then matt Smith appeared on various laptops on Skype calls to help you and have banter. They recreated the corridor scene from forest of the dead and still to this day i have no idea how, it terrifies me cause they were real stone statue props no costumes. Then after being sent back in time to the designing of the elysium you save the day and get a 'personal' letter from the 11th doctor. Certainly strange but it was rather excellent, I'd still enjoy it if I did it now
@@SamyulDavis Yeah for a couple of months for some. I usually get my issues from Forbidden Planet and the date kept being put back. Not your fault, you weren't to know.
@@nightowl8477 to be honest it was an idea suggested by a Whovian on Twitter and since reading the tweet I discovered how cheated we got not having this story. I need it too. :(
@@nashwanabila123 - sad thing is, no new adventures can take place when 12 is blind. I guess between Oxygen and Extremis, but that's literally the only space and it can't be too wide. Heaven Sent was originally supposed to be 12 in a haunted house with Angels, but I prefer the Veil.
While I do think the silence should of definitely returned outside of Matt's run, the Vashda Nerada are a dead end monster. There's nothing else you can do with them which isn't a repeat of the same story. The one time they tried doing something different it didn't really work and played like a cheesy monster movie. I love them and it's my favourite story but I never wanna see them come back. The Boneless on the other hand....
I really enjoyed captain jack's ghost story for christmas, it was epic in it's hopeless foreshadowing and that the woman's family is trapped in a bootstrap paradox forever. Just a great short, good on you captain jack, but save that woman will you? You have all the time in the universe
The weeping angels are at their best when their mysterious entities that don't make any sense. They are monstrosities that are, just because they are. Horrific, very horrid.
Personally the Weeping Angels are by far my favourite. Bringing them back just like the Daleks and Cybermen isn't gonna ruin the Angels, it's about keeping them as they are. If you add a new ability to them then yes they will stop to be interesting, But keep as they are now and play with just that, we all know a old house with Weeping Angels works just fine, and a Graveyard. There are countless ideas you could do with them.
The Angels feel like they should've been a one-off villain, like the Midnight Entity or the Vashta Nerada. That's not to say they never should've come back and that I don't want to see another Angel story, but I always felt that _Blink_ was supposed to be their only appearance, but Moffat decided they should probably come back.
Does Jeff Goldblum disapprove of the weeping angel museum? “Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could not blink, they didn’t stop to think if they should not blink”
My theory is that the Angels began at the end of the universe and spread backwards in time. When you get sent back in time, you remember what an Angel looks like, and an image of an Angel becomes an Angel. Repeat this process and they infiltrate themselves through history. That explains how they ended up on 21st century Earth without a spaceship and why they appear so soon after the Big Bang.
"I promise this is not just bad Fan-Fic... ergh... it kind of is - but then, isn't all of it?" - it's a good point when all of "New Who" has been made by [...and much of it has starred] super-fans of Classic Who!
While they peaked in Blink, I liked what they did in The Time of The Angels and Village of The Angels (besides that one death scene, they have been shown REPEATEDLY to have sent people back more than once 🙄) but seeing them move is what ruined them for me (it didn't make sense they moved so slow despite having been shown to move like lightning earlier and when they were weaker along with still looking like stone which is stated to ONLY happen when looked at and the atrocious The Angels Take Manhattan.
I find the Weeping Angels to be a really weak villain. They can't move while being observed, which is supposed to be a defense mechanism, but should actually be detrimental. A quick swing from a sledgehammer and bye bye angels. The Bad Days cartoon was really good showcasing this.
10 years late in the game I'm finally watching moffat's run. and i gotta say i think he brought the angels (and river song, in the same episode no less) back far too soon, felt a tiny bit desperate to remind everyone what he wrote before. episode was fine though, just felt a bit much a bit too soon.
@@SamyulDavis It's actually a really interesting situation: in pre-NuWho book _"Christmas on a Rational Planet"_ we are shown "Men of Stone" from the universe before ours that cared for the ancient pandimensional mammoths. In the post-NuWho story _"Cobweb and Ivory,"_ the "Men of Stone" reappear as a young Grandfather Paradox finds an "alter-time realm" where they fled with their Mammoth memorabilia, with it being referenced that they've been forced to evolve in order to survive the new laws of physics and are now only able to move when not being observed. Basically, Faction Paradox retconned the pre-universe's "Men of Stone" from _Christmas on a Rational Planet,_ which *predated* _Blink,_ into being the Weeping Angels' direct ancestors. I'm not ashamed to say this ended up inspiring my own story because I'm fandom and this whole story and situation is bonkers.
With everything that's been said here, I think the FP Weeping Angel story might be even funnier. Lawrence Miles wrote _Christmas on a Rational Planet,_ the pre-Blink story that featured the pre-universe's "Men of Stone." _Cobweb and Ivory,_ the post-Blink story that retroactively made the Men of Stone the ancestors of the Weeping Angels, was not written by Miles. So you could, if you so wished, spin it that the author of CAI wanted to stick it to Miles in some subtle way for whatever reason and did it by retconning one of Miles own creations into being the beta test for the greatest success of his bitterly despised nemesis, Moffat. I kinda really like that being the reason, it's so petty it's kinda funny. But whatever the reason may be, it doesn't change that _Christmas on a Rational Planet_ and _Cobweb and Ivory_ together form a cohesive, if vague, origin for the Lonely Assassins.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but i think overexposure kills villains, particularly horror ones. I think the weeping angels mostly work, as long as we never see them again.
H. P. Lovecraft would be proud to see them, Vashta Nerada And Daleks, that are like the Flying Polyps, who fought their own time war with the Great Race Yith.
"The Image of an Angel itself becomes an Angel" makes absoultley no fucking sense. What is an image? How do you define an "Image"? What is the essential essence of "Angel" that makes it an image of a Weeping Angel, as opposed to an image of something else?
@@SamyulDavis If a child draws an angel, does it become an angel? What if that child has never seen an angel? Is it intent? Do you have to intend to depict an angel? Shouldn't seeing an angel create an untold number of them, since your eyesight is moving in frames, not just one image???
Ummm. The angels aren't a hugely original idea, but they're taken from H P Lovecrafts "The Nameless City". A ruined temple lined with statues of lizards, that move once the lights go out and take away the equally unnamed protagonists.
She supposedly wipes every Doctor's memory with her lipstick, but with 8- she was in disguise as a nun and never revealed her name/face enough to recognise.
Newer iterations were progressively ass. But I think alot of new who villains could do with more screentime if handled well, personally I wanna know why max capricorn is a cyborg.
imagine there was nothing after blink for a moment imagine the statue of angelty never happened, imagine the overuse of angels never happened and angel fatigue didnt happen for 1 moment no new stories, no overuse now imagine class still happened the way it did, the hype for the ending and the droves of fans that would of flocked to it just for that ending would of made it the angels appear in doctor who and are never seen again only to appear in a spinoff and where we can find out more about them more naturally instead of being destroyed by there very creator through overuse, a singular creature could of made the series a success because fans of the angels would actually want to know more but no, its like the daleks cybermen and master today, they are overused but under utilised and the fact is the daleks have never never been better than in the early days of david whittaker in fact the stories are copied today victory of the daleks is basically power of the daleks and evolution is evil the angels will return everything does but whether they are used right is another matter
Honestly, I do think angels take Manhattan was good, except for the whole Statue of Liberty thing, and it did a good job of showing that they were intelligent and not just freaky scavengers. But other than that I think yeah, the episodes in series 5 weren’t that great and the concepts introduced weren’t even used effectively. Also even if the writers hadn’t overused them, the twist at the end of class wasn’t satisfying
capaldi’s doctor definitely deserved a weeping angels story. although to be honest, capaldi’s doctor deserved about 5 more seasons
The Angels are at their best when they're kept simple. If you think about them too much, they stop making sense. Best left a mystery.
man you know fuckall, it like i only move when people are not looking cause am come from behind kinda guy, it the same with the weeping angles it just that the doctor likes to talk out of his ass
@@stephenbutterfield8255 - someone tell Stephen there's a rat scuttling back and forth across his keyboard.
@@nightowl8477 mate i fucking killed that rat two months ago, your dumb dumb am being honest
Angels in Manhattan is the way it is because they make it too overlycomplecated & nonsensical(why lady liberty? She’s the size of a building.)
Because deep down it'd be a missed opportunity not to do her
Plus I'd say its the simplest of the Angels stories.
Reminder that the best Weeping Angel stories aren't even on TV. Touched By An Angel and The Weeping Angels of Mons are absolutely superb stories, and more people should recognise the two stories more.
Are these books or BF? And do they hold to the lore of blink?
@@stevenhale2935 touched by an angel is a book and weeping angels of mons a comic. both mentioned in the video.
Oh?
You can see the Angels of Mons comic in video form. The channel is called Beep the Meep. The videos are basically just a slideshow of the comic panels, but if you want a more easily accessible version instead of buying a physical one, it works.
Link: ruclips.net/video/VFKcbdoFbN4/видео.html
The Weeping Angels are much like the Daleks, but to a greater degree IE They don't need another new gimmick, they need a fresh perspective.
Totally agree with you that we needed more Capaldi. I believe that the veiled figure in Heaven Sent was supposed to be an Angel in one draft. So glad they decided not to use an angel.
@@benjamincoak4829 Under Moffat, they were just too one-note. Maybe the next showrunner, as Chibnall doesn't seem interesting in reusing secondary villains, could give them new purpose or utility.
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Ironically I thought they were mostly similar in that their Manhattan episodes were pretty meh
I mean that WW1 story sounds amazing, just adapt that, make the angles look like real angles saving people and the dr an insane person on the battlefield
It would be fantastic
I like to think that the photos in Sally Sparrow’s binder turned into the Angels that zapped 10 and Martha into 1969
That would make alot of sense
I’d like a whole story on how someone would cope with getting sent back in time.
sounds like it'd be absolute bliss
@@SamyulDavis - if I saw a Weeping Angel today I wouldn't even consider the possibility of it touching me. Even our Auton PM understands social distancing.
The book Touched by an Angel is literally that premise and it's great.
Holiday Fartcruise dang I gotta get that.
Venom Gamer 53 ooo nice. where will I be able to read it lol.
The Weeping Angels even appeared in LEGO Dimensions to scare a whole new wave of kids shitless
Before this game there was an Easter egg with a weeping angel in the swamp in Lego Batman 3
@@ethanrapp6998 yeah
I thought the angels were fine until the angels of Manhattan episode. That’s when they jumped the shark with the Statue of Liberty angel.
Seriously how the fuck does anyone not see the fuckin thing move. Literally all the eyes of New York would be seeing that shit, especially if it got off the little island it’s on. Can’t believe I’m saying this, but Ghostbusters II was more dignified to the Statue of Liberty than Angels in Manhattan.
Najawin it’s still a bit of a pointless inclusion though. And it’s a bit of a plot hole as the Statue of Liberty is made out of metal, not stone.
@@crimsondynamo615 more importantly, how the hell is it a Weeping Angel since its not even stone.
Just because every statue can be an angel, doesn't mean they should be
Also every picture of an angel is supposed to become an angel right? There’s TONS of footage of the statue of liberty...yet you don’t see everyone’s postcards sprouting angels lol. It was just such a dumb inclusion. But season 7 as a whole was super weird like that.
I know you don't like that Russell commissioned Steven with the Doctor-lite in Series 3, but if it helps, he was originally supposed to do the Dalek two-parter. He "messed them around" and took the Doctor-lite to make up for it. It was his own fault, really.
Fair play to Helen, writing a two-part Dalek story with an unreasonable deadline is ridiculous. The story was never gonna be great, but she still managed to produce something of note.
I'm so glad Steven did take the Doctor-lite tho. I'm not hard for Blink like others, but it is pretty great.
Daleks in Manhatten/Evolution of the Daleks is my favourite guilty pleasure story. Really would have liked to see Moffat's take on that concept though.
@@Ben-vf5gk - it's a real shame because Nazi experimenter/KKK Daleks is so new, but this is the only time we actually get to see them in their element, and...well, it's not ideal.
I love the idea of the Cult of Skaro so much that I can actually enjoy the episodes too. Ten's a little off, but it's a fun time with new ideas (mostly Russell's, I imagine.)
@@nightowl8477 I love 10's performance in it, he's overacting sure, but I love the scene after Solomon dies and he loses it.
Tbh I think it might have been better as a Dr lite story and have the Cult of Skaro just fighting amongst themselves. It definitely would have been better anywhere other than New York because dear God those accents.
@@Ben-vf5gk - it is camp sci-fi done fun. It's a romp, but maybe it was too early days for such a light Dalek story. I mean, by that point they were still endgame-level foes.
I always thought Time of Angels was scarier than Blink aswell
yeah!
"If Whittaker faces an Angle next year-"
*Cut to the Flux, where Whittaker does, in fact, fact an Angel. Or several thousand*
This aged like fine wine in terms of Village of the Angels
I really love that episode for that cliffhanger but it dropped the ball
@@cyberfox7249 big agree mate
1:24 Maybe they zap each other back in time.
Also it's weird how there was no followup on Sally's Weeping Angel photos.
the way I was terrified to blink watching this whole video
"I was never scared of the Angels as a kid."
My back hurts for some odd reason now.
Credit to Moffat for creating one of the only monsters in new who that have become as iconic as the Daleks, Cyberman and Master. I just wish the show used its other new villains more. I get that the Silence were wrapped up in 11's arc so it would be weird if we saw them post Time of the Dr and as much as I love them the Vashta Nerada are about as gimmicky as the angels and only work in certain settings. But I think the Boneless have a lot of potential that we're missing out on.
If the vashta do have potential, big finish certainly didn't tap into it
@@SamyulDavis I mean fair play to them for trying, I do like the story with 4 but that's the one that does the least new with them.
A Ghost Story for Christmas is a weird creepy little story, I had totally forgotten about it
Everytime I'm reminded that Class was a thing... why couldn't we have had an Ace spin-off ?
Ace appeared in a class big finish story. They fought Daleks.
Love the music your using. It’s from damaged goods right? The big finish adaptation. Aaaaa man that’s good one. Any way yeh stone lady’s with grrr face. Love em. Don’t think they’ve had a bad outing. Some much better than others but never wasted. Still don’t think we should have seen them move though. I thought that was a bit stinky.
Also it would be very wrong if 10 years from now they did a story we’re all of the statues that got rightfully torn down turned out to be weeping angels? Yes yes it probably would be incredibly distasteful but I couldn’t help thinking of it.
I think the whole Blue Peter thing had some level of merit
An Angel that wants to feed off of the potential energy of an important object instead of a person is a neat idea, just a shame it was never really picked up again
I'm not sure how the plot would work, but Angels infiltrating a museum to grab an especially important art piece whilst blending in as exhibits is a fun concept that I'm sure someone could make a good plot with. Maybe the plot revolves around the Doctor planning a heist to steal the macguffin before the Angels do?
As interesting as that idea is, its your one! It didn't want to do that, it wanted to ruin the Olympic games and crush the world's hopes and spirits lmao
I guess even when I was younger I wanted the Angel's motivation to not suck and retconned it in my head lmao
I wanna see the Vashta Nerada again but I'm afraid they'll end up like the weeping angles.
They need to do something like A Quiet Place or Bird Box but with The Angels. Like, characters fleeing from a world overrun by Angels, having to come up with designated 'blink safe' areas or something. There's gotta be a writer who can do the idea justice more than one time in 2007.
I remember going to the Doctor Who experience when I was 12 and it was literally the best day of my life!
4:56 Oh I know! I loved that series, but man, it was a continuity explosion.
Touched by an Angel is honestly one of the best Angel stories in my opinion, as the whole story is just so good.
2:30 my (2 sort of) fan theorys about the origins of the weeping angels is as follows:
1: the marble plague was a super weapon on Gehanna that got out of control(it’s likely that it is a creation of the gehannan’s seeing that the 12 doctor told the last survivors were there race did wrong implying that they have something to do with the marble storm)
2: the weeping angels were a super weapon created by a extinct(pre space travel) race that were at war, & the weeping angels were genetically modified soldiers that went Insane & reverted back to there primal instincts to survive & killed/turned everyone(they were whether or not they have the ability to turn any image of them into an angel or they somehow evolved that is up to you cause 🎶I can’t decide🎶 But then eventually a ship came to the planet most angels were either already dead or on deaths door when an opportunity arose(at this point let’s just say they have become as intelligent as there creators) they hitched a ride on the ship & when they got desperate enough they killed the entire crew. Over(a very short) time they figured out the ships basic controls & crashed & the nearest populated planet & the rest is history p.s the is still a lot of mystery in this story like how they developed time travel powers & telekinetic powers & the rest, hope you like it😁
I was thinking this would be a good video the other day
I always wanted to know what would happen if you just threw a blanket over one of them. Would they be able to move, since we're technically not looking at them? Because then we could get a real sense of how they move, and how fast they really are.
And if things get really bad, you can just try and poke a hole in the blanket, so that you will see part of them, and they'll freeze.
Lost Angel is just 1h, maybe that's more palatable? I quite enjoyed it. Nothing groundbreaking but a fun little story and a good introduction to two new companions.
I was never scared of the Angel's as a kid either because I wasnt a kid anymore when they first came to the show
i remember the time of the angels being the first new who story i can think of i remember sneaking downstairs in the evening and seeing the angels and it scared the hell out of me.
Just to reiterate something you mentioned, "The Lost Angel" is genuinely good and does some fun stuff with the angels. Definitely worth renting on a library app and listening to on a drive sometime. It even kicks off a neat little mini-series with unique companions too, and the whole thing is actually pretty enjoyable. Like Big Finish on a budget.
I started it late last night! Think I fell asleep before anything new or noteworthy happened.
@@SamyulDavis Hah! Well just don't blame me if you end up with some odd dreams. Small Disclaimer: It doesn't do anything particularly groundbreaking, but I do think it's fun to see 12 vs. the Angels and more storytelling competency on display than I was expecting from an audio-only tale. My advice? Just give it a fair shake, but don't expect too much and you might come away with a smile.
The Silence could've competed with the Angels for a iconic recurring new who villian - butttt then Moffatt tied them directly to the series 5-7 series arcs making them have no point afterwards
My weeping angels episode ranking
1: Time Of The Angles (Personal Favorite Of the 11th Doctor era.)
2: Blink (Probably The only Doctor-Lite episode I actually like.)
3: Angels Take Manhattan (A fairly dull episode that’s only saved by compelling drama and my love for Art Deco noir stories.)
4: Flesh and Stone (A disappointing Fallow up with my main complaint being that it’s so forgettable that I’m having trouble remembering what happens in it.)
i think, to be fair, one of the reasons flesh and stone is disappointing is because the new gimmick set up in it -an image of an angel becomes an angel -isn't solved in an imaginative way to be honest. Amy trying to get away from the Angels without being able to open her eyes is REALLY scary, but it's undercut by how easily she escapes the situation.
The only way to get rid of an angel is apparently to have a crack in space and time or something of the like in handy and make sure they end up in it. That kind of hard-to-defeat position makes it really difficult for follow-up writers to give the characters anything to fend off the angels something -it shouldn't be to foolproof or easy to fend of angels to be sure, but there SHOULD be a solution less brute force than a crack in space and time. Like, maybe an image of an angel doesn't become an angel after all if you don't think about it too much, but the more scared you are of the angels (and consequently think about them), the easier it is for them to manifest.
Just curious what's ur opinion on the village of the angles
_Paradox dust disease that really likes gothic architecture_
I think just turn them invisible for some reason, but keep the quantum lock thing... You still can't blink, but now you don't know where to look either!
I really stopped caring for them when after they started showing up after Blink, like they are a great idea, like I absolutely love that horror aspect to them, but like anything that is a smash hit you just gotta keep trying to repeat it and just run it into the ground, I feel like they probably work best at small story fodder if they tried to do different aspects of it, like that WW1 story, actually sounds dark and interesting, they really were the last great iconic monster though because I can't think of anything that has been literally everywhere since they first appeared
Actually Sam I think you’ll find that the weeping angels also appeared in lego Batman 3...I don’t fucking know why but they did
Goddamn it that would've been funny
It’s the middle of the night, you wake up in your bed feeling as though someone or something is watching you. You look around and see no one else at all. The only other thing in the room is an old painting of a forest, it looked almost as though there was a figure in the trees. You could’ve swarm in the past the painting was empty. You switch the light on only for it to quickly flicker off. You try again to turn it on but it won’t light up, maybe the power has gone out you think. You turn and realise the figure you saw in the painting is now more visible, it’s a statue. Was it just your Imagination or had it moved. You turn to pick up a lighter when suddenly you feel a chill in the room. There’s a breeze but your windows are all shut the breeze is from behind you, from the painting. You spark up the lighter and see that there is now a stone hand reaching out of the painting. The small flame gets blown out by the breeze and in the darkness you feel a touch more cold than ice, a touch that goes right through you. Then you’re blinded by a flash of lightning and deafened by the sound of rain and waves. You feel your body become submerged in icy water as the waves crash all around you. All alone in the stormy ocean You sink under the waves out of shock.
A strange piece of angel media that I don't think anyone will find. However I remember taking part in an immersive performance of a weeping angel adventure. It started off as a museum about a crashed boat called the elysium then soldiers barged in that the doctor had sent and then matt Smith appeared on various laptops on Skype calls to help you and have banter. They recreated the corridor scene from forest of the dead and still to this day i have no idea how, it terrifies me cause they were real stone statue props no costumes. Then after being sent back in time to the designing of the elysium you save the day and get a 'personal' letter from the 11th doctor. Certainly strange but it was rather excellent, I'd still enjoy it if I did it now
Thanks for spoiling the 13th comic for me, I'm still waiting for issue 4 to arrive lol.
Oh, sorry. Did the quarantine interrupt the story?
@@SamyulDavis Yeah for a couple of months for some. I usually get my issues from Forbidden Planet and the date kept being put back. Not your fault, you weren't to know.
Huh? What did he spoil?
I had wished that a blind 12 would have faced off The Weeping Angels, it would have been Epicness itself.
That's genius, I need it.
@@nightowl8477 to be honest it was an idea suggested by a Whovian on Twitter and since reading the tweet I discovered how cheated we got not having this story. I need it too. :(
@@nashwanabila123 - sad thing is, no new adventures can take place when 12 is blind. I guess between Oxygen and Extremis, but that's literally the only space and it can't be too wide.
Heaven Sent was originally supposed to be 12 in a haunted house with Angels, but I prefer the Veil.
Someone please make an AU out of this. That sounds awesome
I feel like The Angel's could really benefit from animation
While I do think the silence should of definitely returned outside of Matt's run, the Vashda Nerada are a dead end monster. There's nothing else you can do with them which isn't a repeat of the same story. The one time they tried doing something different it didn't really work and played like a cheesy monster movie. I love them and it's my favourite story but I never wanna see them come back. The Boneless on the other hand....
NGL I miss the Doctor Who Monster Invasion magazines. Collected the cards too.
Came back after legend of the sea devils to say we had village of the angels
I really enjoyed captain jack's ghost story for christmas, it was epic in it's hopeless foreshadowing and that the woman's family is trapped in a bootstrap paradox forever. Just a great short, good on you captain jack, but save that woman will you? You have all the time in the universe
I genuinely shat myself whenever the dw experience first opened in London and the weepin angels happened
That's a big ask for little kids to walk through!
DAVIS what’s even more embarrassing is I was probably 10 bahahaha
Some people seem to think they're Time Lords from the future.
The weeping angels are at their best when their mysterious entities that don't make any sense.
They are monstrosities that are, just because they are.
Horrific,
very horrid.
The reason why class hasn't done anything based on series 2 is because big finish only have the license to make stories which are set during series 1
Personally the Weeping Angels are by far my favourite. Bringing them back just like the Daleks and Cybermen isn't gonna ruin the Angels, it's about keeping them as they are. If you add a new ability to them then yes they will stop to be interesting, But keep as they are now and play with just that, we all know a old house with Weeping Angels works just fine, and a Graveyard. There are countless ideas you could do with them.
The Angels feel like they should've been a one-off villain, like the Midnight Entity or the Vashta Nerada. That's not to say they never should've come back and that I don't want to see another Angel story, but I always felt that _Blink_ was supposed to be their only appearance, but Moffat decided they should probably come back.
Wait, so the 10th Doctor carried the torch in universe while the actor for the 11th Doctor carried the torch in real life? What the heck?!?
Does Jeff Goldblum disapprove of the weeping angel museum?
“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could not blink, they didn’t stop to think if they should not blink”
i was soo scared of then when i first saw the episode in 2007 i was even scared of the statue in my garden because of this episode
I always took them to be some kind of memetic beings created by Thought and belief
My theory is that the Angels began at the end of the universe and spread backwards in time. When you get sent back in time, you remember what an Angel looks like, and an image of an Angel becomes an Angel. Repeat this process and they infiltrate themselves through history. That explains how they ended up on 21st century Earth without a spaceship and why they appear so soon after the Big Bang.
"I promise this is not just bad Fan-Fic... ergh... it kind of is - but then, isn't all of it?" - it's a good point when all of "New Who" has been made by [...and much of it has starred] super-fans of Classic Who!
The weeping angels are apparently set to meet the 4th doctor, in a future 4th Doctor Box-Set! :)
In the Doctor Who Experience my brother had to go to one of the Angel's.
Trinston was here
3:51
I'm in love with Jodie's art style. Should I read this comic?
While they peaked in Blink, I liked what they did in The Time of The Angels and Village of The Angels (besides that one death scene, they have been shown REPEATEDLY to have sent people back more than once 🙄) but seeing them move is what ruined them for me (it didn't make sense they moved so slow despite having been shown to move like lightning earlier and when they were weaker along with still looking like stone which is stated to ONLY happen when looked at and the atrocious The Angels Take Manhattan.
I completely forgot Class was a thing
I find the Weeping Angels to be a really weak villain. They can't move while being observed, which is supposed to be a defense mechanism, but should actually be detrimental. A quick swing from a sledgehammer and bye bye angels. The Bad Days cartoon was really good showcasing this.
Hey great vidz
10 years late in the game I'm finally watching moffat's run. and i gotta say i think he brought the angels (and river song, in the same episode no less) back far too soon, felt a tiny bit desperate to remind everyone what he wrote before. episode was fine though, just felt a bit much a bit too soon.
I'll always love the Faction Paradox implied origin story for them don't @ me FP makes everything Doctor Who even more batshit and I love it
I did not know about this! Surprising considering FP's inventor hates Moffat
@@SamyulDavis It's actually a really interesting situation: in pre-NuWho book _"Christmas on a Rational Planet"_ we are shown "Men of Stone" from the universe before ours that cared for the ancient pandimensional mammoths.
In the post-NuWho story _"Cobweb and Ivory,"_ the "Men of Stone" reappear as a young Grandfather Paradox finds an "alter-time realm" where they fled with their Mammoth memorabilia, with it being referenced that they've been forced to evolve in order to survive the new laws of physics and are now only able to move when not being observed.
Basically, Faction Paradox retconned the pre-universe's "Men of Stone" from _Christmas on a Rational Planet,_ which *predated* _Blink,_ into being the Weeping Angels' direct ancestors.
I'm not ashamed to say this ended up inspiring my own story because I'm fandom and this whole story and situation is bonkers.
@@SamyulDavis Why does Miles hate Moffat again, I've heard this before but I can't remember the reason
@Najawin Well that was enlightening. Wait, what's his problem with Neil Gaiman?
With everything that's been said here, I think the FP Weeping Angel story might be even funnier.
Lawrence Miles wrote _Christmas on a Rational Planet,_ the pre-Blink story that featured the pre-universe's "Men of Stone." _Cobweb and Ivory,_ the post-Blink story that retroactively made the Men of Stone the ancestors of the Weeping Angels, was not written by Miles.
So you could, if you so wished, spin it that the author of CAI wanted to stick it to Miles in some subtle way for whatever reason and did it by retconning one of Miles own creations into being the beta test for the greatest success of his bitterly despised nemesis, Moffat.
I kinda really like that being the reason, it's so petty it's kinda funny. But whatever the reason may be, it doesn't change that _Christmas on a Rational Planet_ and _Cobweb and Ivory_ together form a cohesive, if vague, origin for the Lonely Assassins.
How long until a story is set in the corona pandemic
Was covid actually created by ViNvOcHi???
shrek angry
There's a fourth doctor vs the angels audio story coming out in a few years time
Thank you for another excellent Broke Cannon, ofcourse the Doctor wouldn't use a normal one. ^_^
Don’t forget they were in LEGO Dimensions.. I know it’s Lego but still counts
my feet are big
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but i think overexposure kills villains, particularly horror ones. I think the weeping angels mostly work, as long as we never see them again.
I can now die happy
fly me to the moon baby
There was an angel in the very next episode that came out after this video haha
ben shrimpo is right about everything
I want the silence back
What episode is it with Matt Smith in the blue vortex and the angel shows up and explodes? The clip is in this video.
Well we'll see them, or hear them, in Wink with the 6th and 10th Doctor in 2022, which might be fun!
H. P. Lovecraft would be proud to see them, Vashta Nerada And Daleks, that are like the Flying Polyps, who fought their own time war with the Great Race Yith.
Cancelled harder than Kevin Spacey 😂
"The Image of an Angel itself becomes an Angel" makes absoultley no fucking sense.
What is an image? How do you define an "Image"? What is the essential essence of "Angel" that makes it an image of a Weeping Angel, as opposed to an image of something else?
An image in your EYE counts!?!?!?
In your brain? On every surface as light reflects it? Absolutely mental idea.
@@SamyulDavis If a child draws an angel, does it become an angel? What if that child has never seen an angel? Is it intent? Do you have to intend to depict an angel? Shouldn't seeing an angel create an untold number of them, since your eyesight is moving in frames, not just one image???
it's toy story rules
You know that the Class boxsets are set during the one series that there was, right? They're not allowed to explore further.
which is hilarious in itself
@@SamyulDavis they even recast the main characters, mad. haven't listened to it tho
Ummm. The angels aren't a hugely original idea, but they're taken from H P Lovecrafts "The Nameless City". A ruined temple lined with statues of lizards, that move once the lights go out and take away the equally unnamed protagonists.
I'm watching this while trying to study for my Christmas science exam. Science fiction is still science, right?
Just wait till 2022 when 6th + 10th meet up.
i might just be being an idiot but how does river song appear in 8th doctor audios and 10 still doesnt recognise her
She supposedly wipes every Doctor's memory with her lipstick, but with 8- she was in disguise as a nun and never revealed her name/face enough to recognise.
Newer iterations were progressively ass.
But I think alot of new who villains could do with more screentime if handled well, personally I wanna know why max capricorn is a cyborg.
Six doctor more like doctor who
oi big man, what's that tune you normally use in broke canon videos?
It's the courtroom music from the beginning of Trial of a Timelord :)
@@SamyulDavis king
can you make a vid about airplanes being scary
Yeah man, ill give it a shot
@@SamyulDavis thanks love
@@SamyulDavis yes do it
Isn't SCP-173 just another type of weeping angel
technically yes
I may just be stupid but in flesh and stone didn’t the angels fall into the cracks and wouldn’t that make them stop existing
Well
Only the ones that fell into the crack
The ones that didn't still exist
Because they didn't fall in the crack
Cernunnos is displeased by this video.
(But then, asking you to dig into Obverse lore might be a bridge too far.)
imagine there was nothing after blink for a moment
imagine the statue of angelty never happened, imagine the overuse of angels never happened and angel fatigue didnt happen for 1 moment
no new stories, no overuse
now imagine class still happened the way it did, the hype for the ending and the droves of fans that would of flocked to it just for that ending would of made it
the angels appear in doctor who and are never seen again only to appear in a spinoff and where we can find out more about them more naturally instead of being destroyed by there very creator through overuse, a singular creature could of made the series a success because fans of the angels would actually want to know more but no, its like the daleks cybermen and master today, they are overused but under utilised and the fact is the daleks have never never been better than in the early days of david whittaker in fact the stories are copied today victory of the daleks is basically power of the daleks and evolution is evil
the angels will return everything does but whether they are used right is another matter
Honestly, I do think angels take Manhattan was good, except for the whole Statue of Liberty thing, and it did a good job of showing that they were intelligent and not just freaky scavengers.
But other than that I think yeah, the episodes in series 5 weren’t that great and the concepts introduced weren’t even used effectively.
Also even if the writers hadn’t overused them, the twist at the end of class wasn’t satisfying
I rather face these guys than the holy peanut
Welp the new episodes are a thing aha.